Speaker 1: We like to welcome you to another episode Against the
Speaker 1: Chronicles podcast and I'm with my dog. Yeah, and again
Speaker 1: for like the umpteenth week in a row, we have
Speaker 1: our special guest co host journalists extraordinary Mster Soren Baker.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Glad to be here and.
Speaker 1: Live you know via saturllite San Francisco, not via satall
Speaker 1: like it's he live here in person. Say to you
Speaker 1: the bigger figure, the world's greatest hustling.
Speaker 3: Come on with it, Saluke.
Speaker 1: Happy to be here for sure, for sure, Man, do
Speaker 1: me your favorite brother, grab the Michael a little bit
Speaker 1: more towards you if you can.
Speaker 4: We want to make sure we definitely hear and everything,
Speaker 4: yes sir, yes, sir, make sure we're hearing everything you can.
Speaker 4: So you know, we've been talking about these top fifty
Speaker 4: gangster rap albums of all time. We would kind of
Speaker 4: put that on pause this week because we do have
Speaker 4: a special guest in the house. First thing I want
Speaker 4: to ask you, man, is where did you develop your
Speaker 4: work ethic.
Speaker 5: I'm born and raised San Francisco, Fillmore District. I come
Speaker 5: up under rapid fote hewmc as the forefathers in my neighborhood.
Speaker 5: Learning the independent game. Coming from where I'm from, I
Speaker 5: got to say two short e forty as the pioneers
Speaker 5: of I'm pressing up my own product and I'm putting
Speaker 5: it out myself. So that was my first example of
Speaker 5: my pursuit in this independent game was that I had
Speaker 5: to create the product which was recorded, and then I
Speaker 5: had to get the money to manufacture.
Speaker 3: Manufacturing.
Speaker 5: My first product was in June nineteen ninety two, and
Speaker 5: I always remember the price. I paid six hundred and
Speaker 5: forty nine dollars for five hundred cassettes that were duplicated
Speaker 5: at this place called Music Annex in the Bay Area.
Speaker 5: And I never knew that manufacturing you can pay.
Speaker 3: But back then I wanted.
Speaker 5: A record deal because I thought the record label pressed
Speaker 5: up the tapes. I didn't know there was a plant
Speaker 5: that they hire.
Speaker 3: So I got that knowledge at a young age.
Speaker 5: So that was my first order pressing up my own
Speaker 5: five hundred tapes. At that time, a cassette tape was
Speaker 5: ten dollars, so to make the inserts I paid maybe
Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty more dollars. I used the Polaroid camera.
Speaker 5: This is all independent, This is my independent beginning. When
Speaker 5: I seen that I did this myself, it put the
Speaker 5: confidence in me of what I heard eve forty and
Speaker 5: two sure doing. But as a teenager I paid for this.
Speaker 5: It ain't a bunch of tapes, but at one time pressing.
Speaker 5: Four months later I dropped another tape, and this time
Speaker 5: it was fourteen songs. These fourteen songs, Now I had
Speaker 5: my big homie since I put this five hundred out
Speaker 5: and the hood messing with me. I give you the
Speaker 5: money to press up five thousand tapes. So the five
Speaker 5: thousand tapes. Now I got a full color wrapped in
Speaker 5: plastic cassette tape. I went to in a minute or
Speaker 5: Music People Distribution and then Walchers Zelnick at.
Speaker 3: City Hall Distribution.
Speaker 5: These were the two points that if you get your
Speaker 5: product there, it can go to the stores.
Speaker 3: But before.
Speaker 5: Just going to the distributor, I knew where record stores
Speaker 5: was at myself. So for me to go sell one
Speaker 5: hundred cassette tapes for five hundred dollars, but I paid
Speaker 5: less than a dollar for the cassette tape, but to
Speaker 5: make five dollars per unit, So I'm looking at twenty
Speaker 5: five thousand dollars potentially off of five thousand. My big
Speaker 5: homie launched me probably seven thousand. I was able to
Speaker 5: give him back his seven thousand with another five added on,
Speaker 5: so he got twelve thousand out to twenty five. I
Speaker 5: don't think I made the whole twenty five because I
Speaker 5: was given some out. But the concept for a teenager
Speaker 5: to make twenty five thousand dollars legally, that is what
Speaker 5: I think stuck with me throughout all my years. That
Speaker 5: no matter if I get a deal or not, I
Speaker 5: learned the secret of let me go.
Speaker 3: Press my own.
Speaker 5: And then that same concept went to when I make films,
Speaker 5: shoot my own.
Speaker 4: Film, and I got to print up DVDs.
Speaker 5: Back then it was dhs, then it went to DVDs,
Speaker 5: so it was like casseette tapes.
Speaker 4: Then now a CD costs.
Speaker 5: In the store sixteen dollars, but to manufacture was a
Speaker 5: dollar twenty five. So just one thousand CDs is twelve hundred.
Speaker 5: That's how we did our math. Like a drug dealer.
Speaker 5: Even if I don't have enough to press up a lot,
Speaker 5: if I need to pay my rent or if i'm behind,
Speaker 5: I can remember I don't have a job, So let
Speaker 5: me make a new project and go just sell a
Speaker 5: certain amount of copies to get the money, and then
Speaker 5: a CD getting half the money was the concept. If
Speaker 5: I take it to the store, I'm getting eight dollars,
Speaker 5: so one thousand discs I can make eight thousand, and
Speaker 5: I'm selling my whole thousand pack because I ain't got
Speaker 5: no room no more to give them out for free.
Speaker 3: To get my name.
Speaker 5: Going once, your name once, you got just any kind
Speaker 5: of fan base, I said, I could feed this to
Speaker 5: this population to keep some money. This would kept me
Speaker 5: from drugs, and this would make me have so many
Speaker 5: different albums and joint albums and compilations because every one
Speaker 5: of them represented a certain amount of money as soon
Speaker 5: as I print them up, you know what. So that
Speaker 5: that uh that that hustling, grinding't do it your self concept.
Speaker 5: And I got to get credit to the Honorable Minister
Speaker 5: Lewis far Khin because he had the Brothers of the
Speaker 5: Nation and Islam coming out. And that's when I start
Speaker 5: seeing the brothers with the papers on the corner of
Speaker 5: the pies. But they will always say something about, uh,
Speaker 5: do for self, black man, start a business, black man,
Speaker 5: like you know, telling the young people that. But you know,
Speaker 5: we in the streets, we hustling. You know, I'm part
Speaker 5: time rapping. I'm still trying to sell some weed, you know,
Speaker 5: a little potter try to make some coke into.
Speaker 4: Some rocks or something. But it never worked good for me.
Speaker 4: The music worked it good.
Speaker 5: I remember printing up ten thousand discs and I'm finna
Speaker 5: go pick up eighty thousand dollars. But this type of
Speaker 5: number in the streets for a kilo dealer, that's that's
Speaker 5: basic numbers. But to a teenager with discs, I'm going
Speaker 5: to pick up kelo money. R.
Speaker 4: Kelo.
Speaker 5: Guys started to look up to me, and I'm younger
Speaker 5: than them, but they had kilo money. The benz is
Speaker 5: the plug for the powder packs and all you know
Speaker 5: the weed.
Speaker 3: You know how ballers get.
Speaker 5: But that came a penitentiary time and the minister said, brothers,
Speaker 5: you are being used as a distributor for drugs. But
Speaker 5: instead of a kilo of cocaine, how about you cook a.
Speaker 3: Kilo of yourself. Look at yourself as the kilo.
Speaker 5: That means you have to create a product that you
Speaker 5: can sell yourself, whether that's selling dimer And you know
Speaker 5: how to make your chicken or your fish taste good.
Speaker 5: Some people have a barbecue grill that been having smoked.
Speaker 5: It been ten thousand barbecues been in there. When they
Speaker 5: cook in here, it have a taste. People buy that barbecue.
Speaker 5: They know when I buy this plate for the ten
Speaker 5: or the fifteen or the twenty. The same concept of
Speaker 5: making the album that I'm making in my mom house.
Speaker 5: In my bedroom, I didn't put my bed out. I
Speaker 5: don't have no furniture all. I got a studio equipment
Speaker 5: in this room and I sleep on the floor because
Speaker 5: I'm so excited that if this next album w't mak it,
Speaker 5: I got access to make some thousands. So the concept
Speaker 5: of just doing it yourself, I gotta say, Minister Farkhan
Speaker 5: and the brothers when I heard them say, instead of
Speaker 5: cook Aquilo of dope, cook aquilo of yourself, did you
Speaker 5: know black men, brothers, did you know that you full
Speaker 5: of talent and all your ideas is the money?
Speaker 4: The money, not the money. It's your idea that's the money.
Speaker 2: It's the currency.
Speaker 4: Like literally that I say, damn okay. He said, do
Speaker 4: you know when you pray to God for something that
Speaker 4: he might give it to you in the dream, but
Speaker 4: you still got to fulfill it. You might have had
Speaker 4: the dream of yourself seeing yourself.
Speaker 5: But now you might have to sleep on the floor.
Speaker 5: You might have to sleep, you know, you might have
Speaker 5: to h wise dishes. You might have to work at McDonald's.
Speaker 5: You might can't hang on the block no more. Wire
Speaker 5: My dreams so important. I can't gamble selling dope right
Speaker 5: now to go to the pen in nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 5: you get caught with a fifty shot a crack in
Speaker 5: San Francisco, you could do five to ten years. When
Speaker 5: when Bill Clinton and that Hillary Clinton made that thing
Speaker 5: and something about from part of the crack or something, man,
Speaker 5: I said, I'm I'm out I could sell I could
Speaker 5: sell a thousand dish and make eight thousand. Now that's
Speaker 5: ninety three, ninety two. I made my mind up when
Speaker 5: I made them first five hundred cassette tapes. When I
Speaker 5: sold that, and I probably made about maybe eighteen nineteen hundred,
Speaker 5: but I literally doubled my money right from my studio time.
Speaker 5: And then the fifteen hundred or the seventeen hundred that
Speaker 5: my homeboy gave me. Because I'm like, I'm not selling
Speaker 5: doughe I'm gonna ask somebody who got the money to
Speaker 5: help me to pay for my stuff. When I was
Speaker 5: able to pay them back, then one of my other
Speaker 5: homeboys came and said, let me give you more money.
Speaker 3: Because I want to be part of your new album.
Speaker 5: But I knew I want to be on my own
Speaker 5: label though, So I learned from Sugar Knight, Herry Go
Speaker 5: Doctor Dre. I looked at the components. I looked at
Speaker 5: the movie Crush Groove Russell Simmons. His brother is a rapper.
Speaker 5: He don't got the money, his family don't believe in him.
Speaker 5: But he brought five thousand from JB. But he didn't
Speaker 5: pay JB back on time in the movie, and he
Speaker 5: was getting beat.
Speaker 4: Up onto the movie. So I learned from that movie,
Speaker 4: if you bought the money, you got to pay the
Speaker 4: money back. I don't know what he was thinking about.
Speaker 4: They had already got some money. JB was like, I
Speaker 4: want to be part of the deal. Now I'm part
Speaker 4: of the whole thing now, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: So the concept that's the movie that taught me get
Speaker 5: a money back. Mm hm, that's the movie taught me.
Speaker 4: Don't play with somebody who even trust you, even if
Speaker 4: it is a long shark.
Speaker 3: If you agree to the terms, pay accordingly.
Speaker 5: Because each person that gave me some money, I had
Speaker 5: to have a conversation and an understanding, and it wasn't
Speaker 5: on contract.
Speaker 4: It's whatever we say right now, that's the deal words.
Speaker 4: That's how going boy listen. So in my hood, I
Speaker 4: didn't do no plan, but I was trusted if JT
Speaker 4: need money for any one of y'all, could get JT
Speaker 4: some money and he gonna bring back that plus some play.
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure some of them ballers up there
Speaker 1: and Frisco saw how you was just getting that money
Speaker 1: without the stress of text when you say, dope, you
Speaker 1: can't sleep at night.
Speaker 5: That's the part of the dream that I had wanting
Speaker 5: to be, Like, damn, I want to be like big Bro. Now, man,
Speaker 5: they got the packs, they you know, the money coming in,
Speaker 5: they got the guns.
Speaker 4: Is yeah, they got everything that looked that be every
Speaker 4: nigg little nigga's vision in the hood. You see the
Speaker 4: big time nigga, it's like, man, shit, you don't be
Speaker 4: like I want to be the doctor, the lawyer or
Speaker 4: none of it. Like shit, them niggas down the block
Speaker 4: got it all.
Speaker 5: That's exactly that, just just like you say, that's in
Speaker 5: every black neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Whoever was popping with the packs, and I won't end
Speaker 3: on that. I want to.
Speaker 5: But then I started to see the avenue of people
Speaker 5: that will say, well, I don't want to have to
Speaker 5: wait to hustle.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna break in a baller.
Speaker 5: House, I'm gonna break in this dash spot or he
Speaker 5: been fronting him, and shit, we gonna get on him because.
Speaker 4: We know you getting it from him. That's the only
Speaker 4: reason why you got it.
Speaker 5: So that concept of breaking the house and find your
Speaker 5: riches and start your career. But there was groups of
Speaker 5: guys and I never forget this made me don't want
Speaker 5: that life no more. A group of our young generation
Speaker 5: sixteen seventeen eighteen, they hit a nigga that's probably thirty
Speaker 5: twenty eight or a little older whatever, but he got
Speaker 5: the money.
Speaker 3: Everybody know he brought out of control.
Speaker 5: This group of seven or eight broken the spot, hitting
Speaker 5: for about folk kylos, about a hunting bands, some guns,
Speaker 5: some jury and whatever other little stuff.
Speaker 4: They get away with it. These dudes all go buy cars.
Speaker 4: None of them had the money, and that it was known.
Speaker 5: These the dudes that did it one by one, he
Speaker 5: killed them niggas or sent somebody to kick however, went
Speaker 5: until all of them was did bro.
Speaker 3: This man killed all them.
Speaker 5: Dudes and the hood never you know, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 5: they family won't get back whatever.
Speaker 4: But for the.
Speaker 3: Concept of man, niggas hit, but you hit your own folks.
Speaker 5: And I watched that man didn't sleep till all them
Speaker 5: niggas was dead. All them cars and jewelry they had
Speaker 5: because their name was pop. It might have been a
Speaker 5: little bit more because they always able to buy cougars
Speaker 5: in and sky larks with candy paint. Now and niggas,
Speaker 5: where did you get candy paint money?
Speaker 4: How did you buy such and such car? So the
Speaker 4: word you know, it ain't no secrets in the street.
Speaker 4: So all these niggas got money now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: one by one.
Speaker 5: That killed my thought process of because I saw a
Speaker 5: few niggas in my hood that I felt like shit,
Speaker 5: I breaking this shit.
Speaker 3: That ain't the move. So I stayed on the music.
Speaker 5: But I watched others hit licks and become, you know,
Speaker 5: the guy that we wanted to become. They got bricks
Speaker 5: now or they got the weed, They got the whole,
Speaker 5: they got the druid, they got the cars, they got
Speaker 5: the clout, They got the name buzz it, but the
Speaker 5: price tag for that. The music definitely kept me. And
Speaker 5: that's why I think I developed so much with people.
Speaker 5: Be like, Bro, you just hustling that nigga. I say, Bro,
Speaker 5: I don't sell weed. I don't sell pussy. I don't
Speaker 5: sell credit cards. I don't steal. I want God blessing
Speaker 5: off my talent. And sometimes you know, the hunger kicking
Speaker 5: and things ain't going right, and then that shit do
Speaker 5: look good.
Speaker 4: The other option, the other word, fuck it.
Speaker 5: Just sell weed. It's legal, yeah, but when you I
Speaker 5: live in Atlanta, you know what I mean? CALLI niggas
Speaker 5: got in Atlanta bringing packs. The first five they bought,
Speaker 5: it was good, the next five it was good. The
Speaker 5: next time it's ten, it's good. It's about to be
Speaker 5: a twenty five pack coming in. That's when they get killed.
Speaker 5: That's that's that's the way. And I'm pretty sure Cally
Speaker 5: niggas do them niggas when they come here and thinking
Speaker 5: shit sweet or whatever. But the weed at one point
Speaker 5: was coming from right here, and one of them pounds
Speaker 5: down there in Atlanta was going for five thousand. So
Speaker 5: niggas saw that as the golden ticket and a lot
Speaker 5: of men were able to.
Speaker 4: Golden sick golden. It's always the golden ticket though coming
Speaker 4: from here with the work, going out of state somewhere,
Speaker 4: you can always double your money. So that that'd be
Speaker 4: the ambition of a nigga who don't, unfortunately have that
Speaker 4: talent to be an artist or whatever, you know, typical
Speaker 4: or basketball nigga or yuckball or whatever. Some niggas just
Speaker 4: and then some niggas don't know their potential. Like you say,
Speaker 4: some niggas just be stuck in the neighborhood because that's
Speaker 4: that be the life to them. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It is the life, that's the life. And shit, you
Speaker 4: know a lot of us at some point, Uh was like,
Speaker 4: that's the life for me to be the nigga down
Speaker 4: the block with all the work and like you say,
Speaker 4: the bitches and he got all the cars, and he
Speaker 4: and niggas got the nigga. Dayton's was fresh out and
Speaker 4: niggas was on Dayton's hand paint. And you you, your
Speaker 4: ambition is to be that nigga. Don't fucking be no
Speaker 4: cause niggas, it'll be niggas in in your in your
Speaker 4: click or your hood, whatever and they be like rapping
Speaker 4: nigga making music. Nigga better get with this hustling and
Speaker 4: its claiming the neighborhood and shit. So yeah, it's kind
Speaker 4: of difficult to set yourself apart from you know, from
Speaker 4: from the typical als of of the neighborhood. You feel me?
Speaker 3: You know, go ahead, jayg No, That I was what
Speaker 3: I was gonna say.
Speaker 5: I think I got very lucky that I always was like,
Speaker 5: I want to be a CEO. I want to be
Speaker 5: like shit Night, I want to be like goddamn Eat forty.
Speaker 5: I want to be like too short, I want to
Speaker 5: be like ice Cube. Because this is a reality that
Speaker 5: can happen if you pursue your shit. It happened for them,
Speaker 5: So it was like evidence you feel me.
Speaker 6: So then how did the vision expand from the in
Speaker 6: a minute city hall to trying to go throughout California,
Speaker 6: throughout you know, the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 5: At that point in time, you know, when cassette tapes
Speaker 5: CDs you could see the logo of the major label
Speaker 5: or whatever label, right, I.
Speaker 3: Wanted to have one of it.
Speaker 5: When I seen Eat forty slash JIB three million dollars,
Speaker 5: He's sitting at the coffee table.
Speaker 4: With his feet up.
Speaker 3: I'm like, God, damn it.
Speaker 5: But I end up doing a deal with Priority for
Speaker 5: half a million, with no marketing, no district or only distribution.
Speaker 4: And they just gave me a shot.
Speaker 5: But I was so young, I didn't comprehend the workload
Speaker 5: of having a national distribution, where now I got to
Speaker 5: have reps or some type of asset or communication with
Speaker 5: people in other parts of the country. But back then
Speaker 5: it was no Internet. It was no uh, it wasn't
Speaker 5: no Facebook or no email.
Speaker 4: You had to do that.
Speaker 2: You had to work, and you had.
Speaker 5: To use a Yellow Pages and make a phone call,
Speaker 5: and if that didn't work, you had to call the
Speaker 5: operator and say, can you patch me to New York
Speaker 5: I'm looking for this record label or I'm looking for
Speaker 5: this record store. You know, can you tell me some
Speaker 5: record stores.
Speaker 3: In the area.
Speaker 4: Man, that that workload is way different than somebody workload
Speaker 4: now posting something on their page and now it's you.
Speaker 3: You can get pre orders off of that from the
Speaker 3: world expanding and wanting that.
Speaker 4: Once I got that distribution, though with Priority, I felt good.
Speaker 4: Then I felt more pressure than I ever felt because
Speaker 4: I got the dream deal. Man, Doctor dre chronic album
Speaker 4: came through here you.
Speaker 3: Know nwa hes q all this shit.
Speaker 5: You feel Me jay Z when I signed, he signed
Speaker 5: through a company called Freeze. It wasn't even Rockefeller Records.
Speaker 5: It was Freeze through Priority. It didn't even say Rockefeller
Speaker 5: on it. And I remember him and Dame Dash's first
Speaker 5: show was in film and I got that footage and
Speaker 5: I just when I look at it and see the
Speaker 5: little ass chain, just the beginning they trying to get
Speaker 5: on you feel me our conversation. When that didn't go right,
Speaker 5: I was forced to go back to what people expected
Speaker 5: of me, JT, the bigger figure Independent. So now I'm
Speaker 5: back in what I said that I wanted in the
Speaker 5: first place, but now I'm actually stuck in it. But
Speaker 5: I never lost the drive, So I continue to do
Speaker 5: different type of products, joint albums, everything, independent, whatever type
Speaker 5: of collaboration, compilation. Then I start spinning over to the
Speaker 5: movies when I see going doing movies in CALLI okay.
Speaker 3: It was a little baby impact.
Speaker 5: It was a matter of fact, it was a big
Speaker 5: impact because master P came out when I'm about it,
Speaker 5: and then I came out with be Where Those a
Speaker 5: few months later and that was the first hip hop
Speaker 5: rap movie with a rapper from the Bay. Then moving
Speaker 5: to Atlanta some years later and making movies down there.
Speaker 5: That's when I got to feel like a movie star
Speaker 5: because bootlegging movies down there. They still had stores, but
Speaker 5: they were bootleg stores.
Speaker 3: Some guy that got all the.
Speaker 4: Movies and DVDs up in here and all the albums,
Speaker 4: some of them bootlegs, some of them got plastic on it.
Speaker 4: But he got his own burning machine right there. Any
Speaker 4: album you want, he can make it right on the spot.
Speaker 4: So when I would make my films at first, I
Speaker 4: was trying to sell them to the stores. Right I
Speaker 4: would come to the store, they got all my movies
Speaker 4: wrapped in plastic, they burned them. Back in the day,
Speaker 4: that would have would have been a no note. I
Speaker 4: come to press the MC eight album and I got
Speaker 4: it in my store, that would have been a no note.
Speaker 4: If you would have heard if any of that going
Speaker 4: on when you was doing it, you would have had
Speaker 4: oh yeah, it would have been It would have been
Speaker 4: dangerous for the person who's.
Speaker 5: Doing it, because like nigga, you actually stealing, yeah, nigga.
Speaker 5: But then Stanning became okay. When they made the machines,
Speaker 5: the bootleg a cassette tape. They didn't have bootleg cassette
Speaker 5: tape machines. We had a Panasonic with two a tape
Speaker 5: deck right here, what you're gonna record, and this the
Speaker 5: one you record on, and this high speed ubbing. I
Speaker 5: remember that exactly. But you still had to wait one
Speaker 5: at a time.
Speaker 2: You feel it wasn't mass duplication, yeah at all.
Speaker 5: But once it went to d DVD or CD and
Speaker 5: they got this tower, you put ten of them in there,
Speaker 5: hit the button, and.
Speaker 3: Now I got your whole album.
Speaker 5: They writing the name on it, put it in a
Speaker 5: little slip so down South made me famous with the movies.
Speaker 5: I didn't get the money at first, but I got
Speaker 5: the fame because now my product is feeding them. But
Speaker 5: they promote me because any new movie, the Bootlegger, that's
Speaker 5: what they thrived for to get it first.
Speaker 1: You actually put out something that actually became a really
Speaker 1: pivotal project for independent filmmakers. You had something to do
Speaker 1: with Snow on the Bluff.
Speaker 5: Yes, snowing a bluff one somebody else did that was
Speaker 5: the mecca. But for me to redo it and rehook
Speaker 5: up with Curtis Snow and activate them back in the
Speaker 5: game and made Part two and then Snoop played the
Speaker 5: part up in there. It caused big controversy, it caused lawsuits,
Speaker 5: it caused all type of shit.
Speaker 4: But for the think the problem.
Speaker 5: Was that the fact of that the man ran off
Speaker 5: with all the money on Kurt for the first one
Speaker 5: because Kurt didn't had nobody like me to talk, so
Speaker 5: we approached him about doing part two. Then he started
Speaker 5: talking about all his money, but Curt only did a
Speaker 5: deal for Part one, so Part two we done, but
Speaker 5: he put it in paperwork for trademarking it and then boom,
Speaker 5: it caused copyright infringement. So I had to change the
Speaker 5: name from Snowing the Bluff Too to Summertime in the
Speaker 5: Bluff because it's like, it's not his movie, but by
Speaker 5: calling it part two, it tied to his movie, and
Speaker 5: that caused the problem. You feel me do the initial
Speaker 5: project what I'm sorry, some dude I don't even know
Speaker 5: his name, some dude helped him make that. But when
Speaker 5: I made Part two, that was smacking smack dab as
Speaker 5: a continuation of what you've seen in the first one.
Speaker 5: That's what boosted me as a certified filmmaker. Like JT
Speaker 5: shot that and I edited no Help and I shot
Speaker 5: it on the iPhone. M whole movie, and YO was
Speaker 5: on your way to make some ms with that and
Speaker 5: in traf Flicks. That helped kick my trafflicks platform off.
Speaker 5: Once I did Trafflics app, I caught the traff Flicks
Speaker 5: because Netflix rob Kirk and he was famous from snowing
Speaker 5: the bluff on Netflix.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, bro, we independent man fucked them.
Speaker 4: We're gonna start Trafflix and we gonna make an app
Speaker 4: like they shit.
Speaker 3: And God really blessed me to make it.
Speaker 5: I had made all these movies and had no place
Speaker 5: to take them because Netflix only offered fifteen thousand dollars
Speaker 5: per film. I had ten films that I made in
Speaker 5: twenty fourteen. When I made these films, I'm on fire
Speaker 5: in the streets either I'm doing a deal with somebody.
Speaker 5: When I got they offer fifteen thousand for five years
Speaker 5: per film. That's one hundred and fifty thousand, and don't
Speaker 5: come back and ask for no more money for five
Speaker 5: no red and I can't go nowhere else.
Speaker 4: I was like, man, I don't think I know what
Speaker 4: they're gonna tell you. Will you should be happy to
Speaker 4: have your film on Netflix. That's exactly what was the concept.
Speaker 5: But I'm like, I want to actually, I'm from the
Speaker 5: independent game, like we supposed to make some money still,
Speaker 5: and to just give me one fifty, even though I
Speaker 5: know I probably didn't even pay five thousand per movie.
Speaker 5: I probably didn't even pay two thousand dollars per movie.
Speaker 5: But I knew if I signed this a scept the money,
Speaker 5: it's gonna be like a rapper signing a three sixty
Speaker 5: deal or a rapper signing an artist deal.
Speaker 4: You happy to get the deal, you got your big
Speaker 4: check in front, but you know that might be the
Speaker 4: last one for a long time, and a lot of
Speaker 4: rappers have went through that. So me hearing them the
Speaker 4: horror stories, I just felt, I know these movies could
Speaker 4: be more valuable for me.
Speaker 3: I rejected the deal.
Speaker 4: I started track.
Speaker 5: Fleix, I invested into a team to build me an app.
Speaker 5: I put my movies on my app, and from there,
Speaker 5: my reputation went up.
Speaker 1: As this motherfucker right here, I tell you how influential
Speaker 1: it was. This ain't a mental, no controversy or nothing,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people have taken your intellectual liberties
Speaker 1: with your intellectual property have taken certain liberties because I
Speaker 1: remember when Dame Dash first came out with this app,
Speaker 1: right we built it. I'm hearing it like he got
Speaker 1: the technology from you, and he he just kind of.
Speaker 5: Ran off and didn't give me a dollar. I got
Speaker 5: to put him on blast and tell the truth. But
Speaker 5: I don't use that as a campaign of crying about
Speaker 5: what a nigga did to me. I made it known
Speaker 5: to the public and then I stopped me and Snoop
Speaker 5: had some words, but I respect Snoop and that he
Speaker 5: helped me more than hurt me.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was his team, but.
Speaker 5: Once the people who did the first and on the
Speaker 5: bluff saw Trap Flecks was under Calvin Brotis and it
Speaker 5: didn't had my name, he went straight at the Snoop.
Speaker 5: He never even came back, even said a word to me.
Speaker 5: I don't know if Snoop authorized that or did his
Speaker 5: label or his management jumped the gun and registered the
Speaker 5: company without my name. It looked like it was about
Speaker 5: to be a money grab without me, right, but the
Speaker 5: loss who came and flouded and me and Snoop never
Speaker 5: really got to communicate as brothers again because he disappointed
Speaker 5: at the lawsuit. I'm disappointed that my name ain't on it.
Speaker 5: We both having something to feel some kind of way about.
Speaker 5: But I always wanted the people to know. I thanked
Speaker 5: Snoop for taking me around the world multiple times, showing
Speaker 5: me how a megastar lived, showing me how a multi
Speaker 5: millionaire had.
Speaker 3: To move the dudes and the don'ts so I don't have.
Speaker 5: Nothing, and I shot brother out, brother Snoop, my big
Speaker 5: bro out, and thank you for all the help and
Speaker 5: teaching me the things that I do know right now
Speaker 5: and how to conduct myself.
Speaker 4: And to be real.
Speaker 1: When you're dealing with a mega entity that is a
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg bringing, it could have been very much somebody
Speaker 1: on his team that just jumped the gun and went
Speaker 1: and did some stuff without.
Speaker 5: Us, without us having our agreement in place. And that's
Speaker 5: what I was heard about. And I think when Dame
Speaker 5: Dash saw me and Snoop had that issue right there,
Speaker 5: He's like, oh, I don't got to respect.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just run off with this software. And he
Speaker 3: did his thing, and then I.
Speaker 5: Was vocal about it for a few days, and then
Speaker 5: at a certain point, I say, man, it's gonna look
Speaker 5: like I'm mad at snooping Dame, these two niggas I
Speaker 5: look up to. I don't like how it turned out,
Speaker 5: but I'm not that mad. And if I'm really truly
Speaker 5: JT the bigger figure, do it again. And then and
Speaker 5: then some time went by, and that's how I ended
Speaker 5: up going to Africa for a number of reasons. Number one,
Speaker 5: they invited me to come and ask for me to
Speaker 5: bring my JT skills to Africa to help their young
Speaker 5: population with the independent game. That was impressed with the movies.
Speaker 5: They impressed with me making books, albums, being part of
Speaker 5: so many influential people's careers, playing parts from the background.
Speaker 4: But the other part. Somebody told me, JT. You know
Speaker 4: you got trap flicks? Do you know in Africa?
Speaker 5: They got software guys that live in the village and
Speaker 5: he might look poor as ever, but he can make
Speaker 5: anything with the computer.
Speaker 1: You gotta find them that technology over there for them
Speaker 1: young brothers.
Speaker 3: Now nah, they definitely, they definitely they listen.
Speaker 5: Whatever knowledge is that, whoever get to it first is
Speaker 5: who's gonna benefit because a lot of times knowledge don't
Speaker 5: have the money right skin.
Speaker 3: That's like a dope ass rapper.
Speaker 5: Some dude right now, rap better than jay Z and
Speaker 5: Little Baby put Together and Drake. But we don't know
Speaker 5: him yet. He raw as ever right somebody know him.
Speaker 5: He ain't connected to the right person yet. That's what
Speaker 5: I found in Africa, the dudes who made my software.
Speaker 5: You would think these just some poor guys.
Speaker 2: So how did they come to invite you? Like, how
Speaker 2: did that happen?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 3: Somebody I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't even know how to Africa because I know
Speaker 4: nobody in Africa. But one of the big people called
Speaker 4: for a delegation from Black America Entertainment, film, entertainment, entrepreneurship,
Speaker 4: a basketball coach to see they basketball dudes to see
Speaker 4: if they can get some type of thing or baseball basketball.
Speaker 4: They had a doctor dude that was part of the
Speaker 4: delegation to try to bring how to help them with
Speaker 4: the malaria or different you know, illnesses, sicknesses.
Speaker 5: So I was just part of a delegation that represent
Speaker 5: music and entrepreneurship.
Speaker 4: So they did their background on me. They like, we
Speaker 4: want him.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, shit, I'm on first class round trip,
Speaker 5: I'm on Hotel fool everything you feel me. I wasn't
Speaker 5: charging them, but they like we'll pay for all of
Speaker 5: that for you. We want you their bag. So when
Speaker 5: I go, I'm thinking I'm finna go over here and
Speaker 5: I'm finna hit them for some money. I end up
Speaker 5: going to a place that's really poor. I'm not finna
Speaker 5: get the bag. I'm thinking, you know, Africa, I'm knowing.
Speaker 5: I heard about his rich and his poor, but I
Speaker 5: landed in the real poor. But I felt a certain
Speaker 5: kind of way, like maybe these people need me. So
Speaker 5: I asked them, how can I help? You know, I
Speaker 5: got a few dollars. I wanted, you know, what can
Speaker 5: I do to help? And he called a meeting with
Speaker 5: the chiefs and they came back from the meeting say well,
Speaker 5: we don't want your money, but if you want to
Speaker 5: help us, we need water.
Speaker 4: Look at this place. If you could help us with
Speaker 4: a water well, all of our villages, all the tribes
Speaker 4: could benefit off this water well.
Speaker 3: I say, how much is it? Six thousand?
Speaker 5: I said, Man, I can pay for that right now, Man,
Speaker 5: I pay for that water well.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: Do you know within twenty four forty eight hours, a
Speaker 5: truck pull up. I see this big stick come out
Speaker 5: I'm talking about. They put a thing on it instantly
Speaker 5: straight to the ground. I'm trying to figure out how
Speaker 5: like where the water coming from.
Speaker 3: You know a waterwell.
Speaker 5: I thought they dig a hole and bring the water
Speaker 5: to fill it. They're like, no, the water's under the ground.
Speaker 5: The water a thousand feet, we're really nine hundred feet.
Speaker 5: We could go three hundred feet JT for three thousand dollars,
Speaker 5: but the quality of the water might not be right.
Speaker 5: But if we spend the six thousand, we can go
Speaker 5: down nine thousand I mean nine hundred feet, and that's
Speaker 5: where we could get the purest water.
Speaker 4: Probably the best water you ever had.
Speaker 5: And listen, I say gonna go, go, go down. I
Speaker 5: want to get the good water. Man, when that water
Speaker 5: taste that water, I mean it took it took him,
Speaker 5: It took him some hours. But I'm just tripping on
Speaker 5: how they putting this metal stick down. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 5: so the water fing it come out from right here
Speaker 5: in this dry ass looking like desert type. Man, if
Speaker 5: we just had enough money to pay for all this drilling,
Speaker 5: we could have the water.
Speaker 4: I'm like, why y'all just don't do it for your people.
Speaker 5: Y'all got a truck right here, because the truck man
Speaker 5: want money, and we can't pay for it. Imagine a
Speaker 5: whole village full of people. They can't afford six thousand
Speaker 5: dollars to pay for a water with cause they still
Speaker 5: got to buy food, and they got to pay for
Speaker 5: the internet, and they still got to pay their rent.
Speaker 5: And it's so collectively chipping in money. I would think
Speaker 5: six thousand dollars shit. I see three four thousand people
Speaker 5: right there.
Speaker 3: This is poor.
Speaker 4: This the real poor. JT.
Speaker 5: So this water you about to donate for us? I say,
Speaker 5: I want to put my mama name on it.
Speaker 4: I want to call this mama Pearls water well, so
Speaker 4: I can call my mama, tell him I'm doing something good.
Speaker 3: I want her name to go on this. Mama.
Speaker 4: Look all these people finna get clean water. Now. Look
Speaker 4: right over here at this dirty water with goats and
Speaker 4: cows and people taking baths and different shit.
Speaker 3: They gotta get this water to cook with tonight.
Speaker 5: I said, uh uh, So I switched my heart from
Speaker 5: what can I get from them? To man six thousand, Bro,
Speaker 5: you could blow that money in Atlanta on the weekend
Speaker 5: going to get some outfits, you know, some bottles, some
Speaker 5: sections like you could blow five thousand in California.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure on it. With nothing to show for it,
Speaker 3: but to pay for that.
Speaker 4: I think that was what every day. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Every day that money disappeared into the.
Speaker 4: Night, fucking thirty thousand in the strip club to some
Speaker 4: naked assholes and shit like it's nothing and shit but.
Speaker 1: Won't give a dollar if you tell if you called
Speaker 1: over there and asked them, same cats, hey, bro, donate
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars each, they'll look at you like you
Speaker 1: was crazy.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, they'll look at you.
Speaker 5: You know the the I think in my whole life
Speaker 5: that was the best thing up to that point that
Speaker 5: I ever did in my life, because I'm like, damn,
Speaker 5: this little bit of money and they talking about this
Speaker 5: water well should last years, not like the water do
Speaker 5: went out? It's a lake up under there once they
Speaker 5: put that suction thing and whatever lake is under there, man,
Speaker 5: they putting that water up.
Speaker 1: When did you you know I want to go back
Speaker 1: to something I want to go back to because we
Speaker 1: talked about Atlanta right the ground eas side. Everywhere you
Speaker 1: went seemed like you purchased property, Yes, sir, what neighborhood
Speaker 1: was there?
Speaker 3: Or was that?
Speaker 4: Alabama? Where you bought a whole city block that was Alabama.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't a whole city block.
Speaker 5: It was like a half and it wasn't a big block,
Speaker 5: but it was big enough for me, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 3: It had a building on it.
Speaker 5: And but before that, I bought land in west side Atlanta,
Speaker 5: Dixie Hills, Bankhead with Ti and then from and they
Speaker 5: were selling houses for twelve thousand and eight thousand, ugly
Speaker 5: beat up houses.
Speaker 4: This twenty ten. I was there for two years.
Speaker 5: I bought my first house was twenty five thousand for
Speaker 5: my homeboy he bought ten houses. I'm like, damn, you
Speaker 5: only uh twenty eight years old and I'm out here
Speaker 5: struggling in the Bay paying this rent and you down
Speaker 5: here owning ten houses. He like, bro, you should leave it,
Speaker 5: you know, come to Atlanta, boy, because it's like you
Speaker 5: can own a house and the music popping.
Speaker 4: And zaytovein that's my little brother. I taught Jay tooven,
Speaker 4: how to make beats. He knew how to play video.
Speaker 4: Yes when and then I just said forget it, man.
Speaker 4: I moved in the house. I paid the rent. I
Speaker 4: remember it was one thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: I moved out there with two thousand to my name,
Speaker 5: I just knew I was going to the right place.
Speaker 5: I didn't know exactly how I was gonna make it,
Speaker 5: but I had a magazine that me and Snoops started
Speaker 5: called Mandatory Business. I said, I gotta get my first customers.
Speaker 5: I got some samples to show the magazine because at
Speaker 5: that time, magazine still was popping. But I had to
Speaker 5: get people to believe in my magazine and pay me
Speaker 5: so I could press the magazine up. I remember it
Speaker 5: took me about four months to get my first customer.
Speaker 5: Once I made that firste hundred dollars, I said, boy,
Speaker 5: I'm never gonna forget you. You the beginning stages of
Speaker 5: me being independent in Atlanta. My first hundred dollar transaction
Speaker 5: off of something I'm selling and it ain't dope. I'm
Speaker 5: finna put this nigga at give him his own page
Speaker 5: in my magazine. It costs five thousand dollars for five
Speaker 5: thousand full color magazines.
Speaker 3: UV coding, eighty pound paper, sixty pages. You know, I
Speaker 3: know my math.
Speaker 5: I'm selling pages for a hundred two hundred. I'm selling
Speaker 5: the front cover for two three thousand. I sell it
Speaker 5: for a thousand because I can give you your copies
Speaker 5: with you on the front and give another guy his
Speaker 5: with his covers on the front.
Speaker 3: So my printer was working with.
Speaker 5: Me, and that's how I was able to have the
Speaker 5: extra money to feed my family. And then my catalog
Speaker 5: was going through digital distribution, paying me a check every
Speaker 5: thirty days. So I balanced them two things together, and
Speaker 5: that's how I was able to maintain and build up
Speaker 5: some money. But I'm like, I can't keep paying those
Speaker 5: thousand dollars a rent. I'm gonna buy this house for
Speaker 5: twenty five thousand. I built up enough. I gave him half.
Speaker 5: I was giving them two thousand here, fifteen hundred, you know,
Speaker 5: till it was paid off. The land across the street
Speaker 5: they wanted nine thousand, about a little less than an
Speaker 5: acre directly across the street. I'm like, if I buy this, boy,
Speaker 5: I'm finna be on the man agreed to sell it
Speaker 5: to me. Now I got a house and I got
Speaker 5: this land right in the middle of the hood of
Speaker 5: fucking all this gang shit dope dinner and I'm talking
Speaker 5: about this is but I'm like, shit, I feel right
Speaker 5: at home because this is my house, and this the
Speaker 5: shit they say you supposed to shoot somebody fork. Now
Speaker 5: if nobody bothered me here, I'm good. But I remember
Speaker 5: the first niggas that came, and I remember they were
Speaker 5: breaking in the train and my wife called me because
Speaker 5: I put cameras up and say, babe, it's two niggas
Speaker 5: outside in front of the house. They looking at the train.
Speaker 5: I say, I'm on my wife. I come back over there.
Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, bro, I bought this house and this
Speaker 5: property right here, woo woo, and like, yeah, man, were
Speaker 5: on the train. I say, now, that's cool, you know,
Speaker 5: but my wife calling me bro, y'all on the side
Speaker 5: of my house right here. You feel me like, man,
Speaker 5: we've been robbing trains from here for years. But I say, bro,
Speaker 5: I got kids and shit up and he like man,
Speaker 5: I say, all right, stay right here. When the house
Speaker 5: got my strap came out, the niggas say, come on,
Speaker 5: bro to start walking. They start walking down the street.
Speaker 5: I just start shooting in the air.
Speaker 4: Don't never come back up here no more, nigga, because
Speaker 4: the boy to have my wife call me and I
Speaker 4: got babies in this house, man, and I'm in a
Speaker 4: new hood.
Speaker 5: This is my first altercation. I'll say nigga at my house.
Speaker 5: I'm shooting, so I just want a nigga.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 5: Now, I know they could have came back, did whatever.
Speaker 5: I'm like, Nigga, this is my land, though, Nigga, this mine.
Speaker 5: I'm going all gas, no breaks. A couple of the
Speaker 5: og saw what happened. They told them, niggas man fall
Speaker 5: back from that nigga up there broke because he up there,
Speaker 5: he gonna shoot, but he ain't been bothering nobody around here,
Speaker 5: you feel me? So I started meeting more niggas. Then
Speaker 5: we all kind of got cool. But I just that
Speaker 5: was my introduction niggas.
Speaker 1: I noticed some in Wonder films. You had all of them, dudes,
Speaker 1: if you really wanted to, you could have probably signed
Speaker 1: what's the boy's name? This got hot, this fish creased down.
Speaker 5: Young dug, migosgos, all the huge shits your movies. Haven't
Speaker 5: meeting them, dudes, They always just in the area. I'm
Speaker 5: just a people person, so I'm a network the young
Speaker 5: niggas like Figg.
Speaker 4: You should work with him.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Damn, this nigga looks strange as hell, this
Speaker 3: young thug character. Bro.
Speaker 5: Fuck with him. Bro, the people love him bro, like
Speaker 5: he's somebody I'm telling you fuck with him, so I
Speaker 5: start fucking him. I looked past the weird shit, and
Speaker 5: you know, it was cool. Our music and the shit
Speaker 5: we did it was impactful. The Migos. When Gucci Me
Speaker 5: and Gucci Man did an album, he signed some dudes
Speaker 5: called the Migos, but they was getting so much trouble
Speaker 5: off setting them going to jail, different shit. Then Gucci
Speaker 5: Men ended up going to jail, so he sold them
Speaker 5: to QC P.
Speaker 3: They had another label at.
Speaker 5: That time, but when they signed Me Migos, they say,
Speaker 5: these guys is good enough to put the real bag behind.
Speaker 5: They started a new label called QC and then that
Speaker 5: shit took flight. So just being part of this, you know,
Speaker 5: I remember paying Future thirty five hundred to come do
Speaker 5: my birthday party. That was in twenty thirteen. I was
Speaker 5: turning forty years old. I had been in Atlanta for
Speaker 5: three years. My name was going up. I got some
Speaker 5: money coming in. It's like I'm getting planning into the
Speaker 5: the environment. I did so much work. Niggas started thinking
Speaker 5: I was from Atlanta. How I had motion going down there.
Speaker 5: How I'm moving and moving through them blocks. I'm doing
Speaker 5: all them, but they're like, man, what is this nigga.
Speaker 5: It's just I wasn't scared. It wasn't that I'm tough
Speaker 5: for a gangster or nothing. It was just that I'm
Speaker 5: so hood on and I'm so comfortable with God and myself.
Speaker 5: I'm not here to cause a problem. But I know
Speaker 5: jealousy or a nigga pressing me by being in their hood,
Speaker 5: it can happen at any moment. So I already signed
Speaker 5: up for it, and nigga pressed me, I'm pressing back.
Speaker 5: If the nigga get on me, I'm getting on the
Speaker 5: nigga back and from them time my first altercations and
Speaker 5: niggas seeing how I responded, it's like it wasn't like
Speaker 5: they could have piled up on me, like nigga, you
Speaker 5: gotta get up out of here. Nigga can't fight back, Nah, nigga,
Speaker 5: that's between me and this nigga.
Speaker 3: So most times the hood never added theyself.
Speaker 4: You know, nigga's gonna disagree, or somebody try to run
Speaker 4: off with some or a nigga stole some. You know,
Speaker 4: like different little shit where you're getting your manhood tested.
Speaker 4: It ain't worth crashing out. But sometimes shit happened. That
Speaker 4: can make it easy to make you.
Speaker 5: Be like, man, I'm finna crash out on these niggas,
Speaker 5: But that wasn't I didn't go down there for that.
Speaker 3: I went down there for success.
Speaker 4: Because you had altercation down there, because you got shot down. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I got shot two different times. Both of them attempted
Speaker 4: robberies that I wasn't just agreeing to because I know,
Speaker 4: once you get robbed, nigga, that's it, hang up, hang
Speaker 4: up the street. Shit you is knew you a lunch meal.
Speaker 5: Now every nigga who was somebody who had little studies
Speaker 5: and once they got robbed, they start becoming the target.
Speaker 5: With multiple robberies now, multiple attempts, niggas testing them both minds.
Speaker 4: I wasn't going and then I wasn't tough. I just
Speaker 4: already signed up for it. Like bro, don't just cause
Speaker 4: a nigga got a gun, don't mean because a nigga
Speaker 4: point you supposed to just hair up and gil shit up.
Speaker 5: Sometimes it ain't no bulletsing the motherfucker. It's a fifty
Speaker 5: to fifty chance. But when somebody that you showed love
Speaker 5: to try to rob you.
Speaker 3: You might resist a little bit more like bru, what
Speaker 3: is you doing?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 5: I'm robbing you today, robbing me today. You know, imagine
Speaker 5: the nigga you've been fucking with two three years and
Speaker 5: one day he say, Bro, I'm robbing you today. I'm like,
Speaker 5: hold on, You're like what the nigga, Bro? They kept
Speaker 5: asking me for the money? Now, real robber, shoot you
Speaker 5: in the legs, say, bitch ass niggas, ain't no game, nigga,
Speaker 5: Come on with it. Okay, you know what it is.
Speaker 5: But when the nigga like, Bro, you gotta give us
Speaker 5: something for ten damn. There fifteen minutes of asking this
Speaker 5: ain't a robbery, nigga, You're already trying to rob me
Speaker 5: for my manhood.
Speaker 3: So Jack could be able to say we ribe feed,
Speaker 3: but what ended up happening.
Speaker 4: I just kept praying our lot of one Master frod Muhammad,
Speaker 4: the one minister Farcid told us, brother pray to how
Speaker 4: we pray, how you Elijah Mohammed prayer? How you think
Speaker 4: we protected?
Speaker 3: I lie?
Speaker 5: Real, you got the call on him, but you can't
Speaker 5: depend on him when you think you just in trouble.
Speaker 3: You gotta talk to him beforehand, and you gotta do
Speaker 3: some good.
Speaker 4: So I was feeding people. I'm trying to go do
Speaker 4: the good work all that.
Speaker 5: Imagine me feeding people, and right after our feed then
Speaker 5: niggas come talking about the robbery shit. But I've been
Speaker 5: in here for three four years, so I could have
Speaker 5: gave it up. All they had to do was hit
Speaker 5: me in the head a couple of times with the pistol.
Speaker 3: Then I would have gave it up. It wasn't that.
Speaker 4: It was the demand with the pistol and the words
Speaker 4: and the threat of it. I had a baby the
Speaker 4: day before. There was no way possible.
Speaker 5: I'm going back to the hospital or bringing my wife
Speaker 5: home or my brand new daughter and all my kids.
Speaker 3: I got ride for our money.
Speaker 1: And what's so cool? He threw all that in the movie.
Speaker 1: I had to That's how I knew about it was
Speaker 1: like the real life thing.
Speaker 4: You saw something my real guts, the real surgery, the
Speaker 4: real morphine, and oh we gotta do emergency surgery. They
Speaker 4: got their cameras out. I'm like, what fuck? That gave
Speaker 4: me my camera? Because I ain't dead right now.
Speaker 5: I don't know what's gonna happen, but I know y'all
Speaker 5: got y'all hands in my guts and nobody gonna believe
Speaker 5: that my stomach split open like this, and they and
Speaker 5: there talking about we.
Speaker 3: Gotta stop the bleeding.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, shit, let me put this on my
Speaker 5: That was just another thing of my type of mentality.
Speaker 4: Of turn it into something. You gotta turn your pain
Speaker 4: and your ill into something. If you do that, that's
Speaker 4: the most powerful thing. Is a man who his wife
Speaker 4: left from or something, and now he got to use
Speaker 4: that pain to go further. Or the Homies betrayed you,
Speaker 4: like nah, not the bros, Like yeah, the bros played
Speaker 4: me bro Okay, you can't call on them no more.
Speaker 5: You actually got to do it on your own. That'll
Speaker 5: drive a nigga to become successful exactly.
Speaker 4: Then DJ Quick say.
Speaker 5: Some of his song about he had the Homies and
Speaker 5: something in the studio or something, and he came back
Speaker 5: to the studio was gone. He's like, oh shit, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna make me a way. Next thing, you know, we
Speaker 5: got a whole new hit record.
Speaker 1: And it's always those closest to you because you've seen
Speaker 1: to always be in the right place at the right time.
Speaker 1: Because I heard one of my partners was telling me,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't remember where I heard it
Speaker 1: from actually, But when Pe was in the Bay and
Speaker 1: he first started doing this thing, wasn't nobody really messing
Speaker 1: with him? They said, you was the first one to
Speaker 1: step up and say, you know what, I'm aa fuck
Speaker 1: with this dude.
Speaker 5: He'm gonna give him a chance because he was garbage
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna keep it real. He became a better
Speaker 5: artist that we appreciated. But in the beginning, like bro,
Speaker 5: that ain't it them songs?
Speaker 3: Ain't it? Then? Beats? Ain't it in the way you're rapping.
Speaker 5: He's from New Orleans, so he had We wasn't used
Speaker 5: to a rapper with a different voice.
Speaker 3: First of all, that's number one, you got a whole.
Speaker 6: South was We wasn't used to that not coming out
Speaker 6: of our section.
Speaker 5: We was used to it coming from So we looked
Speaker 5: at him as one of us. We didn't know you
Speaker 5: born and raised down there.
Speaker 4: You the gangster, You a real gang You a real
Speaker 4: gang member.
Speaker 3: From Nigger to Calio projects.
Speaker 5: When I worked it with him and put the stamp
Speaker 5: and showed him how to go get his graphics done,
Speaker 5: how to go get his uh uh, how to put
Speaker 5: the album covers on the inside. If you got something new,
Speaker 5: put it on the inside. I taught him all of that.
Speaker 5: They used the hell out of that for many years
Speaker 5: and listen.
Speaker 4: And that was the beautiful He was the king of
Speaker 4: that album coming out and that concept.
Speaker 5: I'm the first person to put out ten albums in
Speaker 5: one year, you feel me. So that being in the
Speaker 5: right place at the right time. I think what it
Speaker 5: is is given a person that looked like Underdog a
Speaker 5: chance at the right time, like the rapper of the game.
Speaker 5: It was four hundred rappers. Minister Farcan said, I want
Speaker 5: all the rappers to come see me with me and
Speaker 5: Russell Simmons. We want to talk to you all about
Speaker 5: the independent game, how not to get tricked in the industry,
Speaker 5: some more knowledge about the hit in hand and the
Speaker 5: plots and plans, you know, so that we could look
Speaker 5: out and watch out. When I walked in that room,
Speaker 5: it was four hundred rappers in this room. He the
Speaker 5: only rapper that I got the phone number from and said,
Speaker 5: this the next motherfucker for the West Coast. I'm the
Speaker 5: first person to say it, but for it to actually happen,
Speaker 5: that was and I was hurt. I wasn't part of it,
Speaker 5: but I was happy to know that my skills set work.
Speaker 4: I told the world. I put him with Nad's Escabar
Speaker 4: on QB. The Compton, Me and Dad Dilling just just
Speaker 4: did long beast to fill mo so off that buzz
Speaker 4: finding a new artists, how do I launch them?
Speaker 5: My man's had eight unreleased NADS songs. I say, man,
Speaker 5: let me get them songs. I'm gonna blend it with
Speaker 5: my new artist the game and called it QB. The
Speaker 5: Compton Nas in the game to the people would look
Speaker 5: like they together. But Nas was having beef with jay
Speaker 5: Z with Ether and uh whatever them two songs and
Speaker 5: niggas were going back and forth. Right in the middle
Speaker 5: of that beef is when I dropped the game Shit
Speaker 5: and it made them hot, fishing grief.
Speaker 3: Nas was on the cover of Double XL. On that
Speaker 3: cover is the game.
Speaker 5: The Black Wall Street Shit that I had and the
Speaker 5: albums that I got coming out the.
Speaker 3: Next issue fifty cent Doctor Dre eminem on Double XL cover.
Speaker 5: If I would have waited one mo month to put
Speaker 5: me an Ad out because I went with the Knaves
Speaker 5: because it was hot, I didn't know Doctor Dre. And
Speaker 5: then was Finna grab fifty cent and it was Finna
Speaker 5: be a cover that was their biggest cover ever. But
Speaker 5: long story short, finding Game and marketing him in the
Speaker 5: double XL on a national scale, he was able to
Speaker 5: take the songs that I paid for and go shop
Speaker 5: around and then do new songs up the mixtape circuit.
Speaker 3: He went got his own deal. I can't claim that
Speaker 3: he went.
Speaker 2: He went four way with you.
Speaker 3: Small world.
Speaker 4: It is small world.
Speaker 5: That that whole concept, that whole concept. How that really happened.
Speaker 5: People got to say j T the first he predicted it.
Speaker 5: I couldn't say it was for sure. I just said
Speaker 5: he is the prototype. He he he tall, he rapping
Speaker 5: like fabulous. He sounded like shine. But he talking la
Speaker 5: gang Bang raps. To me, I thought, I'm like, this
Speaker 5: is him sure?
Speaker 3: And then he became that.
Speaker 5: So when I work with young Thug, this is years later,
Speaker 5: this is this is me and Game was two thousand
Speaker 5: and two and Me and Thug was twenty twelve, So
Speaker 5: like ten years later, I take a chance. He ended
Speaker 5: up becoming something great. Me and Future. I bring Future
Speaker 5: out here. You know, we bring the migos to the bay.
Speaker 5: They like, who the hell is these guys?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 5: Two months letter man, bro, what man give me another,
Speaker 5: give me Kuavo number, give me I say, bro, I
Speaker 5: brought Future. Y'all didn't care nothing about the future, the
Speaker 5: migo or young Thug. But as soon as they hit
Speaker 5: the radio station out here, that's when everybody like.
Speaker 4: Man, that's who the dudes dig brung out here. J
Speaker 4: T brought them dudes.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: All they in the movie was, ah, that's the same dudes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, m yeah, you didn't one thing about it though.
Speaker 1: You ever recorded a lot of songs with the game?
Speaker 1: You owned the Masters?
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 5: Okay, so he was able to get some retribution. Then
Speaker 5: I had to go. I had to go do it.
Speaker 5: I know, whack one hundred. He wasn't happy, you know,
Speaker 5: all these years letters saying that I was stupid. But
Speaker 5: I was, like, I told Game, give me two hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty thousand. When I went to Afterman, first of all,
Speaker 5: told them bring them to the Masters in a copy
Speaker 5: of my contract.
Speaker 3: They seen it. They say this authentic. But we don't
Speaker 3: want to buy this album.
Speaker 5: Were working on a new album, and if we buy
Speaker 5: this album from me, it's gonna come out of Game's budget.
Speaker 5: And he don't want to authorize that. But if he
Speaker 5: wanted to get me out the way. That was what
Speaker 5: the smart thing to do. He didn't want to see
Speaker 5: me get no money at all, like, oh that shit
Speaker 5: is old man, that shit ain't nothing. Then I went
Speaker 5: straight to Cotch sold it to them. HM Game called
Speaker 5: me before I sold it and said I give you
Speaker 5: seventy five thousand and just go away. I said, I
Speaker 5: don't want seventy five. I want two fifty. That's a
Speaker 5: fair number, nigga, they just gave you all this money.
Speaker 5: You with the biggest people.
Speaker 4: In the world. Two fifty ain't nothing.
Speaker 5: So when Whack one hundred did an interview not too
Speaker 5: long ago, he was saying JT was stupid for that,
Speaker 5: I said, well, first of all, I invested twelve thousand
Speaker 5: dollars to do all them songs, studio time, hotel bitches
Speaker 5: for them, couple outfits, some weed, twelve man's forty songs.
Speaker 5: All I wanted was two hundred and fifty thousand. I
Speaker 5: ended up making over the life of that album over
Speaker 5: five million dollars because I sold it to Cotch before
Speaker 5: digital kicked in, And then when digital kicked in, I
Speaker 5: took the album back from Cotch and I put it
Speaker 5: back out and then I get to check every money.
Speaker 5: They thought I was stupid. I wasn't that stupid nigga.
Speaker 5: I only signed for albums and records and cassette tapes.
Speaker 5: I didn't sign for iTunes and Spotify. And most people
Speaker 5: now they try to send season and decision. But I'm like,
Speaker 5: I ain't listening to that shit. I got the shit
Speaker 5: loaded up. This is my shit game. Can't say nothing
Speaker 5: to white men, not no, no prejudic shit.
Speaker 4: But they was talking to white men power shit JT
Speaker 4: JT thing. I say, hold on, man, I just signed it.
Speaker 4: It don't say iTunes on my contract. It don't say
Speaker 4: nothing about streaming. It only say records, cassette tapes, vinyl
Speaker 4: for distribution worldwide.
Speaker 1: And they could have kept doing that if they wanted to.
Speaker 1: But you go take the digital rights and do what
Speaker 1: you want to do.
Speaker 5: Because digital I don't even care about a cassette tape
Speaker 5: or a CD no more. Once it went to that,
Speaker 5: I was smart, I'm like, shit, well I'm going digital.
Speaker 5: I'm not arguing with them. But how many tapes did
Speaker 5: we sell? How many we shipped? They line you know
Speaker 5: how to recollect?
Speaker 4: Oh we shipped this and we paid for that, and
Speaker 4: we all man yeah, and then we got a whole eighty. Man.
Speaker 4: If you don't get up out of here with this game,
Speaker 4: shout out to digital. Whatever money be made they take,
Speaker 4: they cuts into your rest. I like that now if
Speaker 4: they scam it, it's working because I like a check
Speaker 4: every month.
Speaker 5: They don't even got to be a big one. It
Speaker 5: just got to be a check. And it ain't even
Speaker 5: a check, it's a direct deposit. So on the first
Speaker 5: of the month, everybody with Digital Council, we all feel
Speaker 5: happy because whatever's in it, something is on your in
Speaker 5: your bank account.
Speaker 4: So I do a lot of niggas hate digital.
Speaker 5: They hate digital for the lack of the quick turnaround
Speaker 5: time based upon putting your shit out digitally. There isn't
Speaker 5: a revenue that comes in for months. A lot of times,
Speaker 5: even if you just pay for promotion. Imagine you spend
Speaker 5: thirty thousand dollars on promo of your new album, and
Speaker 5: you spend ten thousand recording and making it, and so
Speaker 5: you had about forty maybe ten more, so you had
Speaker 5: like a fifty.
Speaker 3: That album might not do nothing.
Speaker 5: You might be making thousand dollars on the first month
Speaker 5: if that, because it's still take time to catch unless
Speaker 5: you're a person with a buzz already, so niggas without
Speaker 5: that buzz, you not finna be getting no ten bands
Speaker 5: every month or no fifteen bands yet, it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 5: If you put your album out and you're thinking you're
Speaker 5: about to make all the money from one album, then
Speaker 5: you're mistaken if you're not working your YouTube channel in
Speaker 5: conjunction with your digital distribution deal, which also feeds your
Speaker 5: digital distribution deal. But if you if you turn on
Speaker 5: your YouTube account properly, then your digital distribution check money
Speaker 5: from this particular stream goes to that and then another
Speaker 5: YouTube check comes to you personally as the YouTube owner.
Speaker 5: But if you signed your whole YouTube over also, then
Speaker 5: you don't get that. That's another downside to artists. When
Speaker 5: you have a hot song, it ain't just paying no
Speaker 5: DJ to play your song or pay for a playlist.
Speaker 5: These are the other elements that I watch companies do
Speaker 5: like Empire Orchard. If a song that you're trying to push,
Speaker 5: they will load it on a YouTube channel four or five, six,
Speaker 5: seven different ways. The extended version, the audio version where
Speaker 5: the words is coming on, the actual video version, the
Speaker 5: song planned with just some random stuff happening in the
Speaker 5: back ground. But why do they do that because this
Speaker 5: random stuff has a title, but it's playing your song.
Speaker 3: But you still get credit for every spin.
Speaker 4: So that's what you call creative marketing within your streaming
Speaker 4: to make the money come in.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. And I have failed to
Speaker 3: do this all the way.
Speaker 4: But when I go in the back office and see
Speaker 4: they got somebody sitting there and they taking this whole
Speaker 4: album and they finish chopped, they finna make this album.
Speaker 2: It's ten songs. They got forty five videos.
Speaker 4: Did you just hear me? It's the same album. It's
Speaker 4: forty five with creative type.
Speaker 2: Lyric video like lyric video, ric video, the.
Speaker 4: Real video, the dirty ricks with the clouds cloud that's
Speaker 4: the lyric video. Yes, the emotional other videos to the
Speaker 4: motherfucking song. It won't even beat the video. It'll just
Speaker 4: be some clips of you man, and it'd be like
Speaker 4: that is the other part that most rappers is not doing,
Speaker 4: and or the label who has the rapper.
Speaker 1: And you can't forget about the fan videos because fans
Speaker 1: now sit up there and make videos.
Speaker 3: Get credit for your money.
Speaker 2: Come to YouTube if you register properly, did you.
Speaker 4: Hear that the registration of the song very important because
Speaker 4: your YouTube money and your streaming money.
Speaker 3: On my YouTube account.
Speaker 5: I had not set it up right, so if I
Speaker 5: played one song, it could be my song. All the
Speaker 5: money from this video go to that one song, even
Speaker 5: if it only come on for ten seconds, if that
Speaker 5: song played within your YouTube or anybody's song. So I
Speaker 5: was like, how come I'm not getting my YouTube credit
Speaker 5: but it's going to the distributor because I want my
Speaker 5: YouTube money kind of like to come to me. But
Speaker 5: my man's was like, you got to set it up right.
Speaker 5: I want my YouTube money to come to me, and
Speaker 5: I want to distribute money because.
Speaker 4: That check come to me too. But I want my
Speaker 4: shit to be separate because you're supposed to get paid off.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny. You know what's funny about you
Speaker 1: saying that. I told them I managed Rapping and Glasses Malone,
Speaker 1: and I told him, I said, bro, you ain't never
Speaker 1: got to check from your YouTube channel. He got videos
Speaker 1: on there getting million, Tupac Munchs died two million views.
Speaker 4: Right million.
Speaker 1: You didn't even get that check, And I said, dog,
Speaker 1: I asked the distributor, I said, why are you claiming
Speaker 1: videos off of this. You didn't upload this, you didn't
Speaker 1: do it. Well, you know we part of distribution. He
Speaker 1: uploaded that himself.
Speaker 3: You didn't do no work for they got access to
Speaker 3: the channel.
Speaker 1: So we got that fixed. We got everything snacked from
Speaker 1: them and got them snatched off of there. Now he
Speaker 1: getting his checks now. I said, bro, that's all your money.
Speaker 1: I told ate the same thing I told eight when
Speaker 1: I saw his channel, I said, bro, you got this
Speaker 1: up there, you need to have MC eight on there.
Speaker 1: So I'm in the process now going to go get
Speaker 1: all these other twenty five hundred fake MC eight pages
Speaker 1: to where somebody probably have been paying their house note, card,
Speaker 1: note and everything else for the past few years.
Speaker 4: You know, dinner time is over now now denter.
Speaker 5: Time got to be over because the proper registration is
Speaker 5: only a mistake of an artist, the lack of adding them.
Speaker 5: That one album with ten songs, but on YouTube, that
Speaker 5: thing got forty five different variations that all paid.
Speaker 3: It pays the person it pays. So it's people that
Speaker 3: have a.
Speaker 5: Song and all they got is girl's booty shaken from
Speaker 5: YouTube or from Instagram. You know how they got the
Speaker 5: girls to do their They take them videos, but the
Speaker 5: audio is what the distributors claiming. But this video, whoever
Speaker 5: on the YouTube channel, that portion of the money goes to,
Speaker 5: so it's a separate. But there's guys that all they're
Speaker 5: doing is putting booty girls on a fucking song. And
Speaker 5: I'm like, bro, these girls ain't dancing to this song.
Speaker 5: But the way they edited it, they mixed it.
Speaker 4: They mixing it. It's the part of the song two
Speaker 4: hundred thousand use.
Speaker 5: If the Booties wasn't on there, I don't think it
Speaker 5: probably would have did them numbers. But since them Booties
Speaker 5: on there, it's the same song. But it got the
Speaker 5: booties playing that concept or against the song. And you
Speaker 5: see Hella shootings or something. Somebody got the dry Bys
Speaker 5: or something. You know, the gangster rapper, he's showing clips
Speaker 5: from all that they downloaded, but his song is playing.
Speaker 3: That concept.
Speaker 5: Is like, you could take your whatever last album you
Speaker 5: put out and do that same concept right now with
Speaker 5: just video visuals, with your music playing on the channel,
Speaker 5: and when you load it up money, don't putting nothing
Speaker 5: in between a different video of something else.
Speaker 4: Nope, take the dead two or however long to fill
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 5: So you could release them and they all stand order
Speaker 5: like you didn't put nothing else in between it. It's
Speaker 5: like a bundle pack for you present you representing this
Speaker 5: album again, but it had.
Speaker 3: A whole other video that it might be you might
Speaker 3: not be you back in the day.
Speaker 1: Remember how we used to do the Maxi singles. You
Speaker 1: do a single, you might have two or three re
Speaker 1: then you might have another version which you rapping on there.
Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying. It's a single off feature purposing. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: repurposing the thing. You know what? It reminds me of Man.
Speaker 1: I remember shout out to the homies that rap a Lot.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say my man's names. I don't want
Speaker 1: to get him in trouble. Yeah, but my man who
Speaker 1: wound up waiter on going to rap a Lot. He
Speaker 1: was telling me we was coming from Vegas. That's when
Speaker 1: we had did to deal with high seat down there
Speaker 1: rap a Lot. So we coming from Vegas, right, and
Speaker 1: he was telling me, man, I miss E and my
Speaker 1: He used to be an executive E and I and
Speaker 1: he told me that. You remember, at one time everybody
Speaker 1: had million dollar budgets for videos, half million dollar budget
Speaker 1: and videos. He told me, man that it was just
Speaker 1: him and maybe two other people worked in the LA office.
Speaker 1: So what they started doing, they had so many people submitting,
Speaker 1: you know, for music for deals and stuff. Remember they
Speaker 1: had E and MY music distribution. They were signed cast
Speaker 1: to deals, right, but there wasn't a real deal. They
Speaker 1: never recorded album. They just let him go in the
Speaker 1: studio and they say, oh, this didn't work out. But
Speaker 1: in the meantime they got a budget for it. They
Speaker 1: ran that ten fifteen times. Bro never put out no projects.
Speaker 1: And then what he told me too that they would
Speaker 1: do they had they had a real artist. Oh man,
Speaker 1: you donna sold fifty sixty thousand. They get a whole
Speaker 1: separate bar code on the record ship off forty fifty
Speaker 1: thousand copies. Dude, don't know nothing about it because it
Speaker 1: sound skin say okay, you so you scanning twenty five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a different bark call.
Speaker 4: It's cool. But meantime, meanwhile they running it up over
Speaker 4: there with the other thing.
Speaker 5: Now that that back door in the music industry, go
Speaker 5: back to Marvin Gay and them.
Speaker 3: And before I was about to say this, before that,
Speaker 3: because it's.
Speaker 5: Always back next our generation nineteen ninety two, I remember
Speaker 5: the news report that came out that said, uh Biz
Speaker 5: Marquee and Rob based DJ Easy Rock two albums that
Speaker 5: came out. They both sold a million records. The copyright
Speaker 5: infringement came in. They didn't get none of the money.
Speaker 4: Joy and Pain.
Speaker 3: Who was that rank?
Speaker 4: Okay, Frankie right. They took the whole song Frankie Beverly
Speaker 4: and just wrapped on top of it and looped it.
Speaker 3: They didn't change nothing.
Speaker 5: That is when I got scared in ninety two not
Speaker 5: to rap on samples my tape that came out in June.
Speaker 5: My man had got a couple of old records and
Speaker 5: we looped at how y'all was doing y'all thing right
Speaker 5: when that happened.
Speaker 4: That happened around July August.
Speaker 5: By November December when I dropped my tape, I had
Speaker 5: interpolation so I would play something over and I never
Speaker 5: had to pay a copyright off.
Speaker 4: So we did we you know, it laid a lot
Speaker 4: of my shit over once that lawsuit. Shit started, like
Speaker 4: you would put your album out, then they come take
Speaker 4: all your money.
Speaker 2: Oh No.
Speaker 1: I worked for a publishing company and I remember when
Speaker 1: they was about to hit Dre and them for the
Speaker 1: one song, all these niggas and all those because they
Speaker 1: had sampled what was that dunk dunk.
Speaker 4: Dumb, that's motherfucker looking for that good stuff.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, I worked back, work back. I
Speaker 1: worked for Minded Music. They owned the publishing for that
Speaker 1: because what they did was Minded Music did. And it
Speaker 1: was funny how Karma come back on people, all the
Speaker 1: cats to rob the Gap band and then Minded Music
Speaker 1: came and got his ass right, so they had all
Speaker 1: the gap on the record label. Yeah, they had all
Speaker 1: the gap the gap bands published and they had the
Speaker 1: Fat Back Band. What was cold about that though, is
Speaker 1: they had hit after Math up several times. They didn't
Speaker 1: want to take trade of court, but he just kept
Speaker 1: ignoring them. Then when it came time for the actually
Speaker 1: go to court, he was in their sleep. A million
Speaker 1: dollars man, Trey was in their sleep. He didn't give
Speaker 1: a fuck. He got walked out like he didn't care,
Speaker 1: like it.
Speaker 5: Was just a waste his time, because it did because
Speaker 5: he actually had sampled it, or he actually used it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he actually used it. I don't give him the money.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: We still we're still on tours and we still.
Speaker 1: Because that's what John said. I said, you can put
Speaker 1: a season desists. He said, no, why would I do that?
Speaker 1: This record is doing phenomenal. I said, well, when we
Speaker 1: go take him the court? He said, we go. Wait,
Speaker 1: he said, I think it's approaching platinum.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow wow.
Speaker 3: Then the check was.
Speaker 6: Bigger speak gonna rap a lot. Jay Prince told me
Speaker 6: that too. With the he had signed the producer seven
Speaker 6: and when he was doing all this stuff with he
Speaker 6: was signed to Rap a Lot as a producer, and
Speaker 6: when he was doing all the stuff with Murder was
Speaker 6: actually signed. So he said, all my way till jar
Speaker 6: Run and Shanti through their business, then I'm gonna go.
Speaker 6: He goes, why am I gonna step to him?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: That's the game, and people do do that though, because
Speaker 4: Young Thug was signed to five different record.
Speaker 5: Labels when the big blow up. So you know, I'm
Speaker 5: pretty sure everybody got compensated. But I just if you
Speaker 5: sign a deal for this album, everybody get a deal
Speaker 5: and then this producer or this executive he fall off
Speaker 5: or they go separate ways.
Speaker 4: Whatever.
Speaker 5: Another dude coming, like, I put the money behind Thug
Speaker 5: drop a mixtape. Okay, that came out, then that didn't work.
Speaker 4: Another guy come, I put some money up, So thug
Speaker 4: was like, shit, whoever got some money to.
Speaker 3: Put a record out?
Speaker 5: But then within that contract though, there were stipulations.
Speaker 3: That you are my artists in some form of fashion.
Speaker 4: So once he got the big deal, all the dudes
Speaker 4: that had a contract, they would know he's my artist.
Speaker 4: Now he's my artist.
Speaker 5: But it's so much money involved them. All them dudes
Speaker 5: went away. Whatever check got handed out, it just went silent.
Speaker 5: Sometimes it's just a matter too them. Niggas all got
Speaker 5: that money. You two fifty, you go get seventy five,
Speaker 5: you gonna get yeah, yeah, just go away.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Yo?
Speaker 5: Yeah, because some people like shit, getting two three hundred
Speaker 5: thousand from a nigga and you you gave him twenty
Speaker 5: five thousand two three years ago, and now it's finna happen,
Speaker 5: and it's finna be a quarter.
Speaker 2: Million, and so that's good money.
Speaker 4: It's a good investment.
Speaker 3: That's all I'm trying to say. That's it right there.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: All way, don't never come back. It's over for two fifty,
Speaker 5: Come on with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask you this broke because you've been
Speaker 1: around for a long time, you don't saw all the
Speaker 1: incarnations of just like everything go from having the Street
Speaker 1: Team to the where it's on the internet. Now, Man,
Speaker 1: what do you think about the client that we and
Speaker 1: now man to where we actually content creative, we stip're
Speaker 1: having a constructive interview, you know, constructive conversation, right, what
Speaker 1: do you think about this era manic where people get
Speaker 1: online wild and then doing everything Now he's on that line.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 5: I think the internet really just opened the door for
Speaker 5: people to be show they asks you feel me, and
Speaker 5: that will become the new content like Jerry Springer.
Speaker 4: But now every day, all day with random people's Jerry Springer.
Speaker 5: And it's not just per se the shock of you're
Speaker 5: not the father or you are the father.
Speaker 3: It's the nigga with the gun.
Speaker 4: It's the girl doing something nasty, it's it's anything that
Speaker 4: that's not considered your mom and dad or granting them
Speaker 4: you wouldn't do this in front of them. I think
Speaker 4: the art of the Internet and people longing to be
Speaker 4: famous has made people just really go to through all
Speaker 4: kinds of steps to be a celebrity, and they don't
Speaker 4: even have to be like we consider celebrities like artists,
Speaker 4: like ourselves, movie stars, or you know famous sports figures.
Speaker 4: Motherfucker a bit slapping herself with a cake and shit
Speaker 4: on on Instagram. Now is the form of being famous,
Speaker 4: that's right, that's right, A regular, a regular person. You know,
Speaker 4: people do all these outrageous acts now to become famous.
Speaker 4: And that's because I say, our generation, uh don't accept
Speaker 4: being normal anymore.
Speaker 3: Don't me.
Speaker 4: Back when I was a kid, you know, my uncle
Speaker 4: worked at the gas company.
Speaker 3: He was a normal motherfucker.
Speaker 4: You know, he didn't have visions of I gotta be
Speaker 4: the next you know, Wesley, or I gotta be the
Speaker 4: next you know. You know my auntie worked as a nurse.
Speaker 4: She didn't go fuck. You know, I gotta start taking
Speaker 4: I gotta get in Playboy, or I gotta be in Pinout.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Some people were just regular, our the generation now I
Speaker 4: think because of like I said, everything is monetized.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: You give me YouTube and only fans and Instagram and
Speaker 4: everything you can make a dollar out of. And then
Speaker 4: it's ridiculous as the steps people are take. Like I said,
Speaker 4: nobody's comfortable with being normal. You get me a job,
Speaker 4: because before I discovered that I could write a song
Speaker 4: or tell a story or whatever. My visions was to
Speaker 4: be a normal motherfucker, you know, until I was introduced
Speaker 4: to the gang life and selling dope and whatever whatever.
Speaker 4: But like I said, I didn't plan on, you know,
Speaker 4: being MC eight or being a famous whatever. When my
Speaker 4: father worked at General Motors. My mom's worked as a
Speaker 4: as a CNA or a nurse or whatever. So your
Speaker 4: visions of being a normal kid, that's what it was.
Speaker 4: I think now growing up with all this fucking like
Speaker 4: you say, motherfucking put a studio in his house. Today,
Speaker 4: motherfucker can film movies on his phone. Females, can you know,
Speaker 4: go get their asses done and take pictures on Instagram
Speaker 4: and their their Instagram models the only fans playing with
Speaker 4: themselves all day or dude, to get a shit. You
Speaker 4: can be famous by fucking a regular motherfucker who cooked
Speaker 4: dinner for his family.
Speaker 5: Do you know what I want to say? That who's
Speaker 5: single handily? I think who's single handily? Now when I'm
Speaker 5: hearing you say that, we gotta say, look at this
Speaker 5: word YouTube right right. First, it used to be films
Speaker 5: that somebody make to show us. But somebody said, how
Speaker 5: about we make a platform where you gonna be on
Speaker 5: the tube the regular person.
Speaker 4: I think that was a thought. Let's take the camera
Speaker 4: off of let's let's create it ourselves. We're gonna put
Speaker 4: the camera on the regular people and thet's see what
Speaker 4: they do. Because that's crazy, as he when I just
Speaker 4: listened what you're saying. And I think before social media.
Speaker 5: It was YouTube was a big thing where you can
Speaker 5: be somebody, right, and that's how they market it. YouTube
Speaker 5: it's about you upload your yourself doing your life.
Speaker 1: We I'm gonna give you us both some game and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what they're doing. Rupert Murdock, I
Speaker 1: think is the guy owns Fox. Right, Yes, these platforms do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what YouTube's grand plan is.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: YouTube also has YouTube TV where they have a bunch
Speaker 1: of fast channels on that right, a bunch of channels.
Speaker 1: Black people are good for bringing attention to stuff, right.
Speaker 1: You know we're consumers, right, We a lot of us
Speaker 1: are consumers, not owners. We bring attention to stuff. So
Speaker 1: now you got guys like, let's say, like our YouTube
Speaker 1: channel got like a couple hundred thousand people on the right,
Speaker 1: he might have fifty thousand, his may have three hundred thousand.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: When you add that up all these music channels, you
Speaker 1: got people that are own they're now right, that are
Speaker 1: signed up for YouTube. If you notice, they're starting to
Speaker 1: crack down a lot of stuff. You seeing people get
Speaker 1: their channel snatched down left and right right with that bullshit. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're letting you go. They're building it up, bro, They're
Speaker 1: using other people to build their platform, right, and they
Speaker 1: gonna snatch you all this away from everybody else pretty soon.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what's really crazy about this is
Speaker 1: that people that get caught up in YouTube. I got
Speaker 1: nieces and nephews. That's all they've been raised on is
Speaker 1: YouTube because their mama or daddy give them the tablet
Speaker 1: in the morning instead of going out taking them outside
Speaker 1: the play. Remember we used to go outside and play football,
Speaker 1: basketball and stuff. Now people just give their kid the tablet,
Speaker 1: and it makes it people to think that that's real life.
Speaker 1: That's not the real world, right. I get a lot
Speaker 1: of people that come to me because they just think
Speaker 1: I could make somebody's podcast pot. They don't understand the
Speaker 1: work that goes into it. They don't even understand the
Speaker 1: audio component on it. Me and we made ten times
Speaker 1: the amount of money on audio that.
Speaker 4: We do on YouTube.
Speaker 3: Am I right?
Speaker 4: Egg right?
Speaker 1: And my line is talking? You mean yeah, just talk
Speaker 1: to y'all, just audio, just playing audio. So I get
Speaker 1: people come to me because everybody thinks that, oh, it's
Speaker 1: just easy. They get up there talking. They don't know
Speaker 1: about Yoh, you gotta do research. You gotta have something
Speaker 1: to actually converse with these people about when they come on. Right,
Speaker 1: So I get people to get mad when they see
Speaker 1: me working with somebody. I don't sign everybody. I don't
Speaker 1: sign people no more because it's too much of a
Speaker 1: headache because I can do no right with that. It
Speaker 1: don't matter if I change your life or not. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna wind up be an asshole. I get to see
Speaker 1: all that to say. I get this text message the
Speaker 1: other night from a random number. I don't know who
Speaker 1: this is?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: Why you put that ugly hell on? I respond back with,
Speaker 1: who is this She is trash, she's boring. You should
Speaker 1: have fucked with me again? Who is this man?
Speaker 4: She canceled.
Speaker 1: I just blocked the number because he hasn't revealed himself.
Speaker 1: People aren't even men nowadays in this culture because they
Speaker 1: can hide behind the screen right. Have you ever noticed
Speaker 1: that you may have a fan that's talking shit to you,
Speaker 1: and then once you acknowledge him, like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: is it that you want?
Speaker 4: Dude? I don't even know you. Oh, I just wanted
Speaker 4: to talk to you.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: I didn't have people come on my page and say shit.
Speaker 5: And then I'm like, let me go hit this motherfucker director.
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna respond. And then I go to my
Speaker 5: messages and he didn't have messages months ago praising me
Speaker 5: or something that he wanted to interact. But this message
Speaker 5: that made me look on his page was some negative.
Speaker 5: But when I go to send them a message, it's
Speaker 5: messages that I never respond into.
Speaker 4: That David trying to work with me, you probably didn't
Speaker 4: even know you had. I'm a bitch ass nigga open
Speaker 4: in my on these messages. Man, what's up? Bro? Hook
Speaker 4: up with me? That's connected. Dudes like that just be
Speaker 4: want your attention. I get that sometime. And then once
Speaker 4: you acknowledge, because like you said, I'm not gonna get
Speaker 4: on you know, platform, in front of everyone, So you'll
Speaker 4: go to a messaging motherfucker and as soon as you
Speaker 4: say something to a motherfucker, they'll be instantly Oh my
Speaker 4: bad man, you know what I'm saying. I was just saying, man,
Speaker 4: you know, you know I hold I dig your work
Speaker 4: and all this. So I'm really a fan. People just
Speaker 4: be wanting. Like I said, everybody wants their five minutes
Speaker 4: of fame. You can. You can watch whatever platform, and
Speaker 4: you see people doing all kinds of shit just to
Speaker 4: get that five minutes of fame. And that's why I say,
Speaker 4: nobody wants to be in this day and age, Nobody
Speaker 4: wants to be a regular motherfucker. Everybody wants to be
Speaker 4: a podcast or an artist, or or a fucking comedian
Speaker 4: or or a fucking content that's what they call content.
Speaker 4: Content creator. Everything is a content creator. Now there's no
Speaker 4: other word for influence. It is funny. I'm an influencer. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm an influencer and the content creator. And like you
Speaker 4: look on the motherfucker's page and you look on the
Speaker 4: females page and they be half naked or doing their
Speaker 4: modern dance or whatever whatever, and then they go out.
Speaker 3: I'm an influencer.
Speaker 4: Your affluence in motherfuckers to be neckdake ass. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's your content that you bring.
Speaker 1: You never take the time out to learn the business.
Speaker 1: Everybody think is they got a YouTube channel, they got
Speaker 1: a thing. First of all, I've seen people go out
Speaker 1: in the vista enormous amounts of money into YouTube, right.
Speaker 1: The first thing I tell let me say, Okay, you
Speaker 1: spent fifty thousand dollars on building this elaborate sit right,
Speaker 1: got you a building you're paying rent on every month.
Speaker 1: It's cool that you're making that YouTube money, but what
Speaker 1: happens when you YouTube? Besides that they no longer want
Speaker 1: to fuck with this nigga? Snatch some shit down, man.
Speaker 1: I went through that. I was up to almost one.
Speaker 5: Hundred thousand, right about to graduate from my first plaque,
Speaker 5: and I got hit, hacked or whatever the hell, right,
Speaker 5: and that's the second time I got my JT. The
Speaker 5: bigger figure page took in twenty sixteen. I was like
Speaker 5: about sixty some thousand at that time. But that was
Speaker 5: good for me because for what I do, that's more
Speaker 5: than enough for what I'm selling. Right, Shit, if a
Speaker 5: thousand people out of sixty thousand was tunked in, I
Speaker 5: was happy with just a number of people. Right when
Speaker 5: that channel got took and I really realized how many
Speaker 5: people don't even have my direct number, and how many
Speaker 5: people I don't I can't. I don't know their number
Speaker 5: because I was talking to them through Instagram.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: That was my way of communicating. Losing that shit is
Speaker 5: losing your money. Losing your account is losing your money.
Speaker 5: So part of why I have this traffics at right now.
Speaker 5: Trap flicks for me is something I can continue to
Speaker 5: upgrade now. But going to Africa, I found the developers
Speaker 5: because I said, and in the very near future, you're
Speaker 5: gonna have to have your own platform, because they gonna
Speaker 5: they gonna community guidelines you to death if you say
Speaker 5: this or if you don't they don't agree with Someone
Speaker 5: talked about that earlier, like Nick hold on, I just
Speaker 5: repost somebody shit, how I'm getting flagged over some I
Speaker 5: thought it was dope or I thought it was this. Nope,
Speaker 5: that's against our community guideline. I say, oh no, in
Speaker 5: a minute, they gonna charge us to go live because
Speaker 5: that's too much access.
Speaker 3: We not taking advantage of posting shit.
Speaker 4: Watch when it's tightened up and it costs money to post,
Speaker 4: and you gotta put credits on your account. Exactly, you
Speaker 4: can't go live. You ain't got no more credits. That's
Speaker 4: about to happen.
Speaker 5: Boy if right now they told all of us it's
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety nine, right now to have a deluxe Instagram
Speaker 5: account where you can still go live, we'll all pay
Speaker 5: the nineteen dollars. If they got a billion subscribed, Theykka's
Speaker 5: made twenty billion dollars in one month. Because nobody's gonna say, oh,
Speaker 5: I don't want my Instagram account no more. You're gonna
Speaker 5: pay that money.
Speaker 1: Like when they start opening for Motherfuckers to Blo the
Speaker 1: Blue Chicks, which I thought was ridiculous. I said it,
Speaker 1: and you saw everybody ego, the ego of the person.
Speaker 3: Listen. Did you know when you go listen bro at
Speaker 3: down South?
Speaker 5: World Star hip hop was very important to your campaign
Speaker 5: live mixtapes. World Star two components that you paid to
Speaker 5: put your album to get your buzz right, one thousand
Speaker 5: dollars to put your video on world Star on the
Speaker 5: regular box. Hell of people paying a thousand to get
Speaker 5: their video. You want to be on the big box,
Speaker 5: the middle box, next one up, thirty five hundred. You
Speaker 5: want to pay for the bigger box five thousand and
Speaker 5: six thousand and seven thousand dollars and you can be
Speaker 5: guaranteed to make a million plays or whatever. Right, And
Speaker 5: I look at everybody who dropping in the big box
Speaker 5: always land at a million one point two to one
Speaker 5: point five.
Speaker 4: Little did we know? No, it ain't just because it's
Speaker 4: a bigger box. They got an algorithm set up on
Speaker 4: this box that's going to hear a million views. So
Speaker 4: we like me.
Speaker 5: Paying for that. Those are the bragging rights down south
Speaker 5: is how many views you got? Oh, you're in a
Speaker 5: big box. Okay, he got his shit must be popping.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: We pay for the ego of being able to say that.
Speaker 5: I got a million views. I don't hear people talking
Speaker 5: about paying for world stars like how I used to hear.
Speaker 5: But that was a way to get your your video
Speaker 5: out JT.
Speaker 6: This brings me to a question. A lot of what
Speaker 6: you've been talking about is different cities, different stages, different eras.
Speaker 6: What made you want to and actually move so much
Speaker 6: and be in so many different places because so many
Speaker 6: people stay in one area their whole life.
Speaker 5: I think what I learned is that the mistake I
Speaker 5: made and the wind that Matt P made is that
Speaker 5: even though his kickoff for master p was the Bay Area,
Speaker 5: it wasn't down south. First, it was us, but he
Speaker 5: saw this ain't big enough, and it's other places that
Speaker 5: we can go that we can have an impact and.
Speaker 4: His money go further down there and be able.
Speaker 5: To become something that's not there. And that is the
Speaker 5: mistake that I made. I never forget Master P Silk
Speaker 5: the Shocker see murder King George.
Speaker 3: They pull up to my house.
Speaker 5: They going on the promo run to go to Milwaukee, Tennessee, Oklahoma.
Speaker 5: It's about ten twelve days and they invited me to come.
Speaker 5: And I can only remember paying master P five thousand
Speaker 5: dollars to deteck my posters and my flyers and put
Speaker 5: them up wherever he put his shit up at.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he did it or not. We
Speaker 4: paid them the five thousand.
Speaker 5: That was a big fucking mistake because I would have
Speaker 5: been known in them places if I just would have
Speaker 5: did the promo. But since it wasn't paid and Pete
Speaker 5: toombout going on promo tour, it didn't sound exciting to me.
Speaker 3: That was a big mistake.
Speaker 5: When I saw his results in sales and all these
Speaker 5: other little country towns in different places, and these are
Speaker 5: places that I should have went to go at least
Speaker 5: do a campaign run. I didn't know nobody and none
Speaker 5: of these other cities. But Master p knew these people
Speaker 5: from going on the promo run. So I was seeing
Speaker 5: the results of that through the priority deal. How it
Speaker 5: helped him to be national because he drove to them
Speaker 5: places and passed out shirts and tapes and CDs and
Speaker 5: put up posters and that mistake. In twenty ten, I
Speaker 5: finally left the Bay Area. Many years later, that's like,
Speaker 5: what fifteen years later, I finally dined on me j T.
Speaker 5: You got to get out the baby, bro. Just because
Speaker 5: I'm big out here, that shit don't mean nothing. This
Speaker 5: ain't bringing no income for me. I had to go.
Speaker 5: So going to Atlanta was a challenge. It was difficult,
Speaker 5: but the reward is I got a fresh kickoff in
Speaker 5: the rap game again, brand new from scratch. It was
Speaker 5: like I was a new artist. They didn't know how
Speaker 5: old I was. They didn't really know the level of.
Speaker 2: The same thing happened with Short when he moved to Atlanta.
Speaker 5: Now that's the other thing too. Short moved out to
Speaker 5: Atlanta and got a brand new start. Yeah, fucking with
Speaker 5: Little John and them. Eve forty moved to Atlanta and
Speaker 5: got a new start. That's Oakland, that's Valeo, I represent Fresco.
Speaker 4: So forty moved to Atlanta. Yeah, he stayed out there
Speaker 4: for about two years. Yeah, fucking with little just card Yep,
Speaker 4: I'll never forget it.
Speaker 5: Like damn forty Water came back harder when he came back,
Speaker 5: too short, came back with the vengeance. But he left
Speaker 5: because that war that was happening in Oakland was deadly
Speaker 5: and he didn't want to be no parts of that shit.
Speaker 5: He took hisself up out of that and I had
Speaker 5: to do the same thing. War happening in my area, Like, man,
Speaker 5: I ain't part.
Speaker 4: Of this war. My hood, all my bros that that
Speaker 4: we loved each other, now they all want to kill
Speaker 4: each other and then started doing it, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: I ain't part of this shit. I'm taking film Mo
Speaker 4: with me. Y'all can have Field Mod the Gang. I'm
Speaker 4: i'ma gonna make film Mode the game independent Gang. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're gonna be known.
Speaker 5: I want Field More to be known as what used
Speaker 5: to be us Hella entrepreneurs.
Speaker 4: Then he went to gang banging and killing.
Speaker 5: Gangbanging killing have dominated us for the last Damnar fifteen
Speaker 5: twenty years. No motion of entrepreneurs taking flight from our projects.
Speaker 3: The best thing happened.
Speaker 5: From our hoods so far is the mayor of San
Speaker 5: Francisco London Breed is from fill mo out our projects.
Speaker 5: Let's do so that's the biggest example of somebody who
Speaker 5: come from a real project, Like she went to our school,
Speaker 5: everything with us.
Speaker 4: She the fucking mayor. Now that should make some other
Speaker 4: people who want to go in that vein. You know,
Speaker 4: I don't want politics, but just for somebody from the projects.
Speaker 5: Now, I know the dude she was. She was planning
Speaker 5: a position and the and the current mayor had died.
Speaker 5: She was the closest person to the mayor, and I
Speaker 5: guess the people said, how about give her a chance?
Speaker 5: And then some other people were bigger money like, nah,
Speaker 5: we don't want her. But the people remember her from
Speaker 5: being with the mayor that died. She fucking along got
Speaker 5: the job. That's a dope store. He died and she
Speaker 5: wasn't linked up to be no mayor.
Speaker 4: She knew all the business of how the fucking dang
Speaker 4: run because she was under the mayor, the city, all
Speaker 4: the ins and outs, and.
Speaker 3: They trusted her so yeah, and they trusted her son.
Speaker 1: Before we wrap it up over here, man, I want
Speaker 1: to ask you this, man, do you get a lot
Speaker 1: of cash wanting you to consult for them?
Speaker 5: Ever since the No Jumper interview, I think the No
Speaker 5: Jumper interview and this is crazy to me. The whole
Speaker 5: time I was in Africa, I've never saw a black
Speaker 5: American rapper or even a black American go to the
Speaker 5: slums of Africa and do what the fuck I did.
Speaker 4: I built three water wells. I'm feeding thousands of people.
Speaker 4: Do you know it was zero press on me. Nobody highlighted. Man,
Speaker 4: this motherfucker JT is in the fucking Burkina fossil They
Speaker 4: blowing up busses over here. They killed fourteen villagers over there. Meanwhile,
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, you could die in America at a
Speaker 4: gas station, Nigga. This seemed most safer to me with
Speaker 4: terrorist attacks in Africa than being in Atlanta, jo or
Speaker 4: La or San Francisco because of the murder rate and
Speaker 4: the robbery. Nigga will see this watch and lose their
Speaker 4: whole life over just this watch right now, or some
Speaker 4: ear rings or even your shoes dawn there. So the
Speaker 4: consultation part of me successfully doing that Africa shit and
Speaker 4: coming back and now for ten months i've been back
Speaker 4: in America.
Speaker 3: The No Jumper ship was the first thing to highlight.
Speaker 5: Me a big platform to say j T. Bro, my people,
Speaker 5: you know Item twenty two hit me. I've been wanted
Speaker 5: to go on there. I just didn't know how fucking
Speaker 5: around he hit me direct talking about man. My people said,
Speaker 5: I need to talk to you and get you in here.
Speaker 5: They telling me you got a story that they ain't
Speaker 5: been told and I need to be I'm like, damn,
Speaker 5: that's crazy fucking right. He like, I need you here
Speaker 5: three days. I'm like, I'm coming. I drove from Atlanta
Speaker 5: to come here. But my folks and I felt it
Speaker 5: was gonna be good.
Speaker 3: Too, right.
Speaker 4: I say, Bro, this shit gonna seem like a fake
Speaker 4: ass story, but it's a real story because it seemed
Speaker 4: too good to be true all the elements of my
Speaker 4: life and what I've been through.
Speaker 5: And I have a NonStop career of thirty one years.
Speaker 5: From June ninety two to right now, I never went
Speaker 5: to sell dope again, even though a few thirsty moments
Speaker 5: niggas had a few pounds.
Speaker 4: Yes, I did grab a few pounds. The prophet wasn't
Speaker 4: good and I didn't like that.
Speaker 5: I said, nigga, I can go to jail for these pounds, nigga,
Speaker 5: And that's all the profit off each pound.
Speaker 4: Oh no, that's a movie in itself. Man, exactly.
Speaker 1: You know before we go, Man, I want to ask
Speaker 1: you just one more question, man, Tupac. I think people
Speaker 1: forget a lot of times. He's from the bay. He's
Speaker 1: a baby dude, you know, came up with ray Love
Speaker 1: and all of them cats. Shout out Ray Loved, humboyant
Speaker 1: dog and all them cats. Right, they finally man done
Speaker 1: what the streets.
Speaker 4: New for years?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: They put Keefy d in jail? How many years later?
Speaker 1: Twenty six twenty six years? Do you think this is
Speaker 1: a publicity stunt? Do you even think it makes sense?
Speaker 5: Do you know every podcast I just went on they
Speaker 5: said something about it and nicking. My answer to that,
Speaker 5: I think that shit fake in some kind of way,
Speaker 5: because why would you do something that you know there's
Speaker 5: no statue of limitations?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: I think he got paid to say he was in
Speaker 3: that car.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 5: Now, the streets being in La jt Nah is confirmed,
Speaker 5: I say, But why would he go tell this shep
Speaker 5: and then keep trying to confirm that he handed a
Speaker 5: gun at a murder of a famous.
Speaker 3: Cloud or he got paid.
Speaker 4: It's either he wanted to credit the sheet so bad
Speaker 4: because they said something about he got immunity.
Speaker 5: Tell us who killed Tupac Anderson? He's dead, will do okay?
Speaker 5: Case should be closed, right, So that is probably what
Speaker 5: gave him more strength or confidence to talk to.
Speaker 4: V Lad that we all know.
Speaker 5: Whatever you sit on that motherfucker you you you got
Speaker 5: to you got to stand on that. Then they say
Speaker 5: he wrote a book where he detailed it.
Speaker 4: Again. I say, bro, that shit can't be real. What
Speaker 4: street nigga gonna say they did this ship right?
Speaker 3: It's money involved? Okay?
Speaker 5: Well, how well he go? Another theory that's going around
Speaker 5: that you probably heard. He's so mad at P Diddy
Speaker 5: nigga for not getting his money. He don't mind going
Speaker 5: down if he could take P Diddy down. You think
Speaker 5: might go to jail for this ship if it's true,
Speaker 5: because how do you supposed to give me a million
Speaker 5: dollars in a nigga you get a million dollars too?
Speaker 3: He run off?
Speaker 4: So does that mean P Diddy paid because the money
Speaker 4: didn't make it to him, So how could he go
Speaker 4: down for it if the other nigga ran off with
Speaker 4: the money?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that make him almost like if this is
Speaker 3: all true, that makes him a.
Speaker 4: Conspiracy A conspiracy man, I don't I don't know what
Speaker 4: it is. So it's crazy. It's crazy. Can people get
Speaker 4: X you at bro Man? They could get at me?
Speaker 5: First of all, I would ask anybody who watched this interview,
Speaker 5: if you want to support me? Man, I'm about to
Speaker 5: be fifty years old and a few more days god willing,
Speaker 5: I said, I don't want to be rapping at fifty,
Speaker 5: So I want to be like Bill Gates and Steve Job.
Speaker 5: Both of them started out with not that much. Both
Speaker 5: of them didn't graduate, but they got the hold to
Speaker 5: some coding. Bill Gates didn't write Microsoft. Another person did,
Speaker 5: and he bought it. And once you could buy the
Speaker 5: intellectual property, you can have engineers build on it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: Steve Jobs didn't write the Apple code. Steve Wisniak is
Speaker 5: the other Steve that you don't hear about. He the
Speaker 5: one that wrote it. So what did I learn from
Speaker 5: these two dudes? Buy my own codes for software so
Speaker 5: that I can be able to license my software and
Speaker 5: grow from that. So I want everybody to download my
Speaker 5: app Trafflicks. Man, I'm proud I just got it back.
Speaker 5: Going shout out to my people in Nairobi, Kenya, all
Speaker 5: the developers who developed it for me, because it's original coding.
Speaker 5: That means that if you guys ever have a problem
Speaker 5: with the app you getting made and you like this
Speaker 5: new version of what I got, I can license this
Speaker 5: over to you.
Speaker 4: You can tafinitely build after.
Speaker 1: This show, bro, Because yeah, y'all go be able to
Speaker 1: find a link for trap flicks down below right there
Speaker 1: in the description.
Speaker 3: This iOS platform and on the Google androy phone is free.
Speaker 4: We will have the Google platform and the iOS platform
Speaker 4: down there and JT the bigger figure Instagram them two
Speaker 4: things right there. Man.
Speaker 3: That's how we tap in. And I appreciate y'all boys
Speaker 3: man for having no real shit.
Speaker 4: Ain't listen.
Speaker 3: I told my man, I said, I supposed to go
Speaker 3: back to the bay, but I remember me and you talked.
Speaker 4: I say, I better text things. I said, man, what
Speaker 4: it was? Somebody told him?
Speaker 1: They said, you know how the internet is, why you
Speaker 1: couldn't go on the black platform. I don't know why
Speaker 1: they'd be just and I said, well, I said, well,
Speaker 1: he said, none of the brothers invited me. I said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: we're black over here. That's why I'm like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I forgot. I did have somebody.
Speaker 3: That's why I had to come down here and make
Speaker 3: sure I pulled up in box.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go because you know how the internet is,
Speaker 1: they want to get all involved in this stuff.
Speaker 4: So if you hear me direct and I told you,
Speaker 4: I say, nah, no disrespect you did.
Speaker 3: I forgot.
Speaker 4: And I didn't know. Remember, I didn't know who you was.
Speaker 4: I didn't know if this you was real. When we
Speaker 4: was pulled up, I said, man, let me get my
Speaker 4: pistol I real quick, make sure this is the real guys,
Speaker 4: because I didn't know. Remember, I don't know your face.
Speaker 4: But when you say eight, I'm like, well I know
Speaker 4: that man right there. He had been like, man, you
Speaker 4: got to call because he stayed on the internet.
Speaker 3: Man, Okay, he still salute my.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, So yeah, brother, nah man and and and
Speaker 4: whatever knowledge that I did get, because what you was
Speaker 4: showing me you already y'all already own it. But I
Speaker 4: want to give you what I got from Africa. Yeah,
Speaker 4: for sure, that I want to give it to you what.
Speaker 4: I don't want nothing for it. I want to give
Speaker 4: you the information, and I guarantee whatever information y'all are
Speaker 4: already got, you're gonna be able to balance some shit
Speaker 4: out and be like, oh, we didn't have this piece
Speaker 4: or that piece of that.
Speaker 1: In a minute, bro, none of this stuff is gonna
Speaker 1: be available on YouTube outside of the clips.
Speaker 4: He can tell you. I'm taking my shit off too.
Speaker 1: I spent twenty four thousand dollars how many years ago
Speaker 1: was that bran that was doing the one app, only
Speaker 1: to realize I didn't have enough money to do exat
Speaker 1: So I didn't look at that twenty four thousand as
Speaker 1: a waste.
Speaker 4: I looked at it as an education, right.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, education, because that's exactly I
Speaker 3: ran through. Brother.
Speaker 5: When you're dealing with software that is more cut thought
Speaker 5: than the goddamn dope game and the rap game put together.
Speaker 4: You know why money.
Speaker 5: Because the person who's developing you got to give him
Speaker 5: access to your server, so that's passwords. You got to
Speaker 5: get him access to your Apple developer account and your
Speaker 5: Google developer account.
Speaker 3: They got to have passwords.
Speaker 4: So when they building something that you're paying for anything
Speaker 4: you unsatisfied with. They already planning it in your shit.
Speaker 4: We ain't gonna get these cast listening to all okay, okay,
Speaker 4: we're gonna talk about that all my fault. We're gonna
Speaker 4: get up out of here. We will see y'all next week.
Speaker 3: We out hit the.
Speaker 4: Linklow picture real quick, Carlos.
Speaker 1: And also and also against the Chronicles merch coming out
Speaker 1: next week designed by MC eight.
Speaker 4: We got it.
Speaker 3: Come bright here and get one. Oh oh, ship me
Speaker 3: this picture right.
Speaker 4: Here lit good. Yeah, we ain't getting no good one.
Speaker 4: They got a few turn This is this issue right here, man,