WEBVTT - The Tale of Highway Robber William Spiggot and His Death

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership

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<v Speaker 1>with iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>A native of Herford, William Spigott was an eighteenth century

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<v Speaker 2>English highwayman and the leader of a gang of at

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<v Speaker 2>least eight men. He was born in sixteen ninety one

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<v Speaker 2>or perhaps sixteen ninety two, that's a little fuzzy, and

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<v Speaker 2>was likely the son of the innkeeper of an establishment

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<v Speaker 2>known as the Chief Inn.

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<v Speaker 1>It said.

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<v Speaker 2>William may have started his career as an apprentice cabinet

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<v Speaker 2>maker in London, but he didn't follow his family's legitimate

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<v Speaker 2>path in life, instead deciding on a more felonious one.

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<v Speaker 2>He lived his life as a robber, poacher, burglar and murderer.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Criminalia. I'm Maria Tremarky and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Holly Frye. William, at age twenty nine, was allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>married and a father of three. Thomas Phillips, known as Cross,

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<v Speaker 1>was a thirty three year old former seamen who could

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<v Speaker 1>neither read nor write, and these two men met when

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<v Speaker 1>Cross returned to England after time on the Mediterranean Sea,

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<v Speaker 1>and they became, as the saying goes Thickest Thieves. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>William was involved in criminal activity before his friendship with

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<v Speaker 1>Cross is a little unclear, although some accounts of his

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<v Speaker 1>life suggest that he did at least dabble. But the

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<v Speaker 1>two men very much became partners in crime. They found

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<v Speaker 1>themselves on trial more than once. The trials are intertwined,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're going to try to keep our focus on

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<v Speaker 1>the most dramatic and likely most popular of them. In

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<v Speaker 1>Spigott's legend, he was known for being ruthless, and tales

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<v Speaker 1>about him say he was the most fearsome of all

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<v Speaker 1>highway robbers together he and his eventual gang because he

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<v Speaker 1>took on others in his band in addition to Cross,

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<v Speaker 1>committed an unknown number of crimes over more than a

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<v Speaker 1>decade and only stopped when they got caught. William, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is famous not just for those crimes, but also for

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<v Speaker 1>his refusal during one trial to plead either guilty or not,

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<v Speaker 1>and that decision meant that he would have to undergo

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<v Speaker 1>a torture technique called penn ferte adieux, and we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into what that technique was. In a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>People described William as a very quote impetuous man who

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<v Speaker 2>was not eager to surrender and who was also difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to catch. It had been about a dozen years before

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<v Speaker 2>William was captured by men working for Jonathan Wild in

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<v Speaker 2>early January of seventeen twenty one. Wild is a fascinating

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<v Speaker 2>figure in his own right. He ran what's described as

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<v Speaker 2>a mafia like empire that included everything from robbery to

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<v Speaker 2>extortion to blackmail, and he was also known as a

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<v Speaker 2>thief taker, which means he betrayed and captured other thieves.

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<v Speaker 2>He made a career and a fortune out of playing

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<v Speaker 2>on both sides of the law. He apprehended William and

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<v Speaker 2>seven of William's gang at a Westminster tavern called.

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<v Speaker 1>The Blue Boar.

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<v Speaker 2>William had once said he quote swore he would kill

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand before he would be taken. Seems like that

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<v Speaker 2>number came in really short. Now apprehended, William Cross and

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<v Speaker 2>another gang member named William Heater appeared at the January thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen twenty one session at the Old Bailey Court. William Spigot,

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<v Speaker 2>Cross and William Heater were the defendants charged with and

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<v Speaker 2>these are likely not in an order to match each

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<v Speaker 2>person's charges, though most were the same. Quote violent theft,

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<v Speaker 2>highway robbery and violent theft and one of them was

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<v Speaker 2>charged with receiving.

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<v Speaker 1>Some victims came forward to testify with their stories. One man,

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<v Speaker 1>John Watkins, positively identified both Cross and William Spiggott as

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<v Speaker 1>two of the three thieves who had robbed him on

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<v Speaker 1>Hounslow Heath on November twelfth, seventeen twenty. Heater was acquitted

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<v Speaker 1>because of lack of evidence and his story with the

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<v Speaker 1>gang ends here, but William Spiggott and Cross were charged

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<v Speaker 1>with stealing Watkins quote guineas and one box a gold watch,

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<v Speaker 1>twelve Holland shirts, two pair of lace ruffles, two cambrig bosoms,

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<v Speaker 1>two lawn turnovers, two Muslin turnovers, two pair of stockings,

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<v Speaker 1>a hat, a periwig, and twelve guineas the goods and

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<v Speaker 1>money of Neil Sheldon Esquire. In his testimony, John declared

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<v Speaker 1>that he recognized William Spiggott and that he had known

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<v Speaker 1>him for many years.

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<v Speaker 2>In court, both William and Cross refused to enter aplee

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<v Speaker 2>any plea, and they also declared that until their belongings

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<v Speaker 2>and that was money and horses, were given back to them,

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<v Speaker 2>they would stand silent ah But there was a pertinent

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<v Speaker 2>law at play. In sixteen ninety two, England had enacted

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<v Speaker 2>a law titled an Act for Encouraging the Apprehending of Highwaymen,

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<v Speaker 2>which meant that when highwaymen were arrested, the person who

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<v Speaker 2>apprehended them could take the horses, money, and other belongings

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<v Speaker 2>from the Felon.

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<v Speaker 1>William, it said quote remained inflexible and insulted the court. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>those exact words that he used in court that were

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<v Speaker 1>so insulting were not recorded. Were wildly curious what they were,

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<v Speaker 1>though still refusing to plead. That subversive behavior led the

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<v Speaker 1>court to first threaten the men, and then if that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't work, it was time for punishment by penfort adieux

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<v Speaker 1>that translates directly from the French to pain, strong and hard.

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<v Speaker 1>And this punishment was. This punishment which we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk more about as William's story unfolds, was that you

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<v Speaker 1>would be pressed to death, meaning that you would be

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<v Speaker 1>laid out, tied with your limbs extended, and then have

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<v Speaker 1>progressively heavier and heavier weight placed on your body until

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<v Speaker 1>you either talked or died. Defendants who refused to enter

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<v Speaker 1>a plea of either guilty or not guilty were at

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<v Speaker 1>the mercy of the law and the authority of the

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<v Speaker 1>court with penn forte dieux hanging over them. Very few

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<v Speaker 1>defendants with trials that the old Bailey refused to enter

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<v Speaker 1>a plea.

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<v Speaker 2>We are going to take a break for a word

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<v Speaker 2>from our sponsors, and when we're back, we'll talk in

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<v Speaker 2>greater detail about what it meant to be pressed to

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<v Speaker 2>death in the English court.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to criminalium. Let's talk about what it's like

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<v Speaker 1>to have four hundred pounds sitting on your chest.

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<v Speaker 2>Law stated that those convicted of specific serious crimes should

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<v Speaker 2>receive the death penalty, and convicted highway robbers were on

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<v Speaker 2>that list. They were sentenced by law to execution. Although

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<v Speaker 2>pressing remained a punishment recorded on the books until seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy two, opinion on the punishment was mixed, with many

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<v Speaker 2>finding it quote irrational and barbaric. This type of torture

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<v Speaker 2>was quite popular in medieval times, but by seventeen hundred

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<v Speaker 2>most people pretty much assumed it was an outdated punishment,

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<v Speaker 2>no longer a sentence handed down from a judge. Through

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<v Speaker 2>the Felony and Piracy Act of seventeen seventy two, England

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<v Speaker 2>abolished the punishment for a defendant's refusal to plea, and

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<v Speaker 2>the court determined that instead standing silent would automatically be

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<v Speaker 2>equivalent to a conviction. By eighteen twenty seven, things reversed.

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<v Speaker 2>Any prisoner refusing to plea was automatically determined not guilty

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<v Speaker 2>but for our purposes. William did his business in the

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen hundreds and was executed in seventeen twenty one, right

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<v Speaker 2>before the punishment of pressing was abolished.

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<v Speaker 1>As he handed down Williams and Cross's sentences, the judge

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<v Speaker 1>gave a speech describing the nature of their crimes. That

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<v Speaker 1>entire speech is quite long, and we're just going to

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<v Speaker 1>hit some highlights, which frankly are also a little bit long.

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<v Speaker 1>This speech began, quote, you have been tried, and upon

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that leaves not the smallest doubt, have now been

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<v Speaker 1>found guilty. The judge continued, and quote, without a motive

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<v Speaker 1>to tempt you, but the blackest that ever disgraced human nature,

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<v Speaker 1>a willingness to earn the wages of iniquity, and how hardened,

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<v Speaker 1>how determined were the preparations you made, you will justly die.

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<v Speaker 1>It is now my duty to pronounce that dreadful sentence,

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<v Speaker 1>an office which to me is ever painful.

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<v Speaker 2>The judge continued quote that the prisoner should be laid

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<v Speaker 2>on the bare ground, without any litter, straw, or other covering,

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<v Speaker 2>or without any garment about him, except something to hide

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<v Speaker 2>his prevy members. He shall lie upon his back, His

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<v Speaker 2>head shall be covered in his feet shall be bare.

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<v Speaker 2>One of his arms shall be drawn with a cord

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<v Speaker 2>to one side of the room, and the other arm

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<v Speaker 2>to the other side, and his legs shall be served

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<v Speaker 2>in the like manner. Then there shall be laid upon

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<v Speaker 2>his body as much iron or stone as he can bear,

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<v Speaker 2>and more. He against whom this judgment shall be given

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<v Speaker 2>forfeits his goods to the King. Friday next, the day

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<v Speaker 2>after tomorrow, will in this world be your last. But

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<v Speaker 2>think of the more dreadful day to come when you

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<v Speaker 2>appear before a far more awful tribunal, before the great

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<v Speaker 2>judge of all mankind. Think of how you will stand

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<v Speaker 2>before him.

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<v Speaker 1>Through our modern eyes, it probably seems unlikely or even unimaginable,

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<v Speaker 1>that anyone would choose the punishment of pressing. But by

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<v Speaker 1>choosing that method of execution, criminals had one last chance

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<v Speaker 1>to show off their bravery and their rebellion against authority

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<v Speaker 1>and against the rules. Because they stood silent. William and

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<v Speaker 1>Cross were automatically determined guilty. They were brought back to

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<v Speaker 1>Newgate to the press room, the torture room, but the

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<v Speaker 1>sentence of pressing was just too much for Cross to bear,

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<v Speaker 1>and before the torture even began, he agreed to plead,

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<v Speaker 1>and he pled not guilty. He faced the charges levied

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<v Speaker 1>against him, and he was found guilty, convicted, and sentenced

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<v Speaker 1>to death by hanging, not pressing. But actually he'd be

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<v Speaker 1>back on trial before that execution was even carried out.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember earlier when we mentioned that William quote remained inflexible

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<v Speaker 2>and insulted the court by standing silent. Because of that

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<v Speaker 2>aforementioned inflexibility, and of course his convictions, William was brought

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<v Speaker 2>to Newgate to begin his sentence quote to endure the

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<v Speaker 2>torture of the press. He was eventually brought back to

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<v Speaker 2>the Old Bailey for a second trial when the press

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<v Speaker 2>became too much for him. After a reported four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>pounds were placed on his chest, he changed his mind

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<v Speaker 2>about standing silent.

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<v Speaker 1>Before William was given the press, Thomas Purney, the Ordinary

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<v Speaker 1>of Newgate, tried to quote dissuade him from the occasion

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<v Speaker 1>of his own death and from cutting himself off from

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<v Speaker 1>that space and time which the law allowed him to repent.

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<v Speaker 1>So Pernie's role as Ordinary of Newgate was that he

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<v Speaker 1>was the chaplain of Newgate Prison and his duty was

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<v Speaker 1>to provide spiritual care to prisoners with death sentences. But

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like William Spiggott may not have valued that council.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a break for a word from

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<v Speaker 2>our sponsors. When we return, we'll talk more about pressing

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<v Speaker 2>and why both men were hanged.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, Welcome back to criminalia. As we mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>William and Cross had a second for their original crimes

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<v Speaker 1>and were also indicted again when additional evidence surfaced. William

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<v Speaker 1>and his accomplices stood in the same court at the

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<v Speaker 1>Old Bailey, this time for the crimes they were originally

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<v Speaker 1>charged for. Plus as we said, a few others. Charles Sibylded,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, was robbed on Finchley Common. When deposed, Charles

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<v Speaker 1>stated he was assaulted by three men who were on

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<v Speaker 1>horseback on August twenty fifth, seventeen twenty so, only a

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<v Speaker 1>few months before he testified. He continued that one of

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<v Speaker 1>the men displayed a pistol to his right while another

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<v Speaker 1>ruffian did the same to his left. The third robber,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, was the one who bound him. The third

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<v Speaker 1>robber was a highwayman in his own right, a man

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<v Speaker 1>named William Burrows. The robbers replied to this story that

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<v Speaker 1>they knew absolutely nothing about that event.

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<v Speaker 2>This time, William and Cross were convicted primarily on testimony

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<v Speaker 2>from Joseph Linny, a clergyman of ill repute who himself

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<v Speaker 2>had turned to gambling and highway robbery and who had

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<v Speaker 2>been an associate in their gang, or perhaps still was.

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<v Speaker 2>Lindsay turned King's evidence in return for a pardon, which

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<v Speaker 2>meant he only had to testify against his fellow criminals

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<v Speaker 2>for a shorter sentence or potentially none at all, and

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<v Speaker 2>he did. This testimony enraged William because Lindsay wasn't true

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<v Speaker 2>to the gang, but mostly because William had once quote

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<v Speaker 2>rescued Lindsay when he was nigh being taken, and in

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<v Speaker 2>the defending him, was wounded and in danger of his life.

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<v Speaker 2>In the court, the victim, Charles Sibbild, who proby just

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned specifically not maybe recognized only Joseph Lindsay, testifying he

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<v Speaker 2>had seen his face and heard his voice during the assault.

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<v Speaker 2>The other attackers, he said, had covered their faces.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a single testimony we unearthed described William or Cross

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<v Speaker 1>as gallant or brave. As we've talked about among other

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<v Speaker 1>highway robbers this season, William Spiggott was never compared to

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<v Speaker 1>Robin Hood. The jury reached a verdict quickly, and the

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<v Speaker 1>punishment was inevitable. William and Cross were sentenced to execution

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<v Speaker 1>by hanging in February of seventeen twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Pernie, quote, the reasons, as far as I

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<v Speaker 2>could learn from Spigot of his enduring the press were

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<v Speaker 2>that he might preserve his effects for the use of

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<v Speaker 2>his family, that it might not be urged to his

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<v Speaker 2>children that their father was hanged, and that Lindsay should

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<v Speaker 2>not triumph over him by saying that he had sent

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<v Speaker 2>him to dieburn. He continued, quote, The first point is unconvincing.

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<v Speaker 2>Since those dying under the press forfeited their goods to

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<v Speaker 2>the Crown, it does not appear that the material well

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<v Speaker 2>being of Spiggot's family was his primary concern. Rather, as

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<v Speaker 2>the second and third points suggest, he sought to maintain

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<v Speaker 2>a reputation as a man of courage and resolution, as

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<v Speaker 2>the leader of a gang, not a victim.

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<v Speaker 1>Pernie also described during the torture the blood was quote

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<v Speaker 1>flushed and forced up into his face, and reported that

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<v Speaker 1>William would only say, quote, pray for me, Pray for me.

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<v Speaker 1>After being pressed and still alive. William, according to Perney, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>constantly attended the prayers in the chapel twice a day

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<v Speaker 1>and stated that William was quote truly penitent, as sincerely

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<v Speaker 1>so as he who showed his sorrow by his tears.

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<v Speaker 1>William endured the torture of three hundred and fifty pounds

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<v Speaker 1>on his chest. He broke down when another fifty pound

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<v Speaker 1>weight was added. According to Pernie, William quote gasped out

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<v Speaker 1>that he would plead, and of course that meant execution

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<v Speaker 1>by hanging instead.

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<v Speaker 2>While William and Cross were held until their executions, they

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<v Speaker 2>each had some things to say about themselves. When reminiscing

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<v Speaker 2>about his life as he awaited his execution, William claimed

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<v Speaker 2>to Pernie that he'd committed numerous robberies. He was called

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<v Speaker 2>the scourge of Southern England's coaching routes, and according to him,

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<v Speaker 2>he primarily robbed on the roads leading from London out

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<v Speaker 2>to Hounslow Heath, Kingston and where he boasted about the

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<v Speaker 2>crimes he'd pulled off, but said to Perney, though quote

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<v Speaker 2>it was in vain to mention his numerous robberies on

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<v Speaker 2>the highway.

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<v Speaker 1>Both William and Cross seemed to revel in their own notoriety.

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<v Speaker 1>Like William, Cross too, boasted about his life of crime,

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<v Speaker 1>saying he quote seemed to glory in the robberies he committed,

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<v Speaker 1>and bragged to Perney that he, William and William's other

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<v Speaker 1>accomplices committed a great number of highway robberies. Cross described

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<v Speaker 1>how they once robbed quote one hundred passengers in a

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<v Speaker 1>single night. That particular tale, well, it's now considered to

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<v Speaker 1>be a lot more exaggeration with just a dash of

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<v Speaker 1>fact in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, like he was present, But the rest of the

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<v Speaker 2>story is not right. Cross was hanged, and so was William,

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<v Speaker 2>who happened to be executed by hanging on the same

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<v Speaker 2>day as fourteen other people on February eleventh, seventeen twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>at Tyburn Tree Gallows.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, would you like a swig from the hip flask?

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<v Speaker 2>As long as it's not called robin Hood, Yes, is.

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<v Speaker 1>Not, but it's pretty predictable in its name because you

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<v Speaker 1>know I was gonna call it penforte dieu.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, I want a drink that will press me.

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<v Speaker 1>It out, no, but it will. It will have a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of hardness. And because that's a French saying

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<v Speaker 1>and I was just in the mood, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of change up one of my very favorite go

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<v Speaker 1>to drinks, a French seventy five, which isn't really French,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's a different that's a different story.

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<v Speaker 2>A drink doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>U, and I wanted to do it with something that

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<v Speaker 1>is a little bit more of I don't think it's painful,

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<v Speaker 1>but it may take you by surprise and feel a

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<v Speaker 1>little sharp than a French seventy five. So a French

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five, in case anybody doesn't know, is gin, champagne,

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<v Speaker 1>simple syrup, and lemon juice, usually served in a champagne glass. Delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>They're very popular brunch or you know, anytime, any time

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<v Speaker 1>in your life. And I really do love them. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't used to, and then I got a taste for them,

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<v Speaker 1>and now it's one of my big faves.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a question for you about the French seventy five.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it the gin that was early problematic for you

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<v Speaker 2>or was that not the part.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a part of it? Yeah, and my entry

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<v Speaker 1>point was into them. There's a restaurant near me that

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<v Speaker 1>makes them with the gin that I like, which has

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more of a floral note to it

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<v Speaker 1>instead of the juniper piney thing. But I like them

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<v Speaker 1>in various ways, and they're easy because there are a

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<v Speaker 1>number of different ingredients. They are four ingredients, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>all pretty easy to get a hold of and they're

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<v Speaker 1>easy to switch out. There's nothing complicated. You can build

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<v Speaker 1>it in the glass. It's all good. It's fun to

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<v Speaker 1>play with. So for this one into your glass, you

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<v Speaker 1>will put not any gin but an ounce of acavit

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<v Speaker 1>or aquavite. I've heard it pronounce both ways. I have to,

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<v Speaker 1>so for a reminder. It's come up on the show before,

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<v Speaker 1>but many seasons back. So that is a spirit that

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<v Speaker 1>is popular in Scandinavian countries. It is. There are different

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<v Speaker 1>flavors of it or different notes of it, depending on

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<v Speaker 1>where you get it and what country has manufactured it.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the primary flavors is Carraway, and I

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<v Speaker 1>really love Caraway anyway. So if you get some play

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<v Speaker 1>with it, it's so fun you can make mules with it,

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<v Speaker 1>you can you know, play with it in a variety

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<v Speaker 1>of different high balls, like it's a great spirit. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorites. So you're gonna do an ounce

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<v Speaker 1>of aquavit your two ounces of champagne, just like you

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<v Speaker 1>were doing a French seventy five a half ounce of

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<v Speaker 1>lemon cello instead of lemon juice, because we also want

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<v Speaker 1>it to be a little harder hitting to go along

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<v Speaker 1>with that idea of hard and painful. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>will do simple syrup. I'm gonna say to taste on

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<v Speaker 1>this one, and that can be anywhere from just a

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<v Speaker 1>quick splash to half an ounce, two or three quarters

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<v Speaker 1>of an ounce, depending on how all of those other

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<v Speaker 1>flavors come together for you. I love lemon and caraway together,

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<v Speaker 1>which is another reason I wanted to do this, because

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<v Speaker 1>they're like great and baked goods. But this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like the not too sweet version of that. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's also going to depend on your bubbly whether you

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<v Speaker 1>go as champagne or you do a prosecco or even

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<v Speaker 1>a cava, and even within those, how dry or not

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<v Speaker 1>you want it. So the simple syrup, I'm gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>is to your taste. I like a little sweeter sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>with these, so I would do because then it really

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<v Speaker 1>has like a yummy bakery situation. So I end up

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<v Speaker 1>closer to half to three quarters of an ounce delicious,

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<v Speaker 1>And that is the the pen to make the mocktail

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<v Speaker 1>is really easy. We have done on the show before,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think we actually put it in the book

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<v Speaker 1>as a sub for aquavite using you're gonna make Carraway tea,

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<v Speaker 1>which you can do by crushing Carraway seeds and using

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<v Speaker 1>those and then pouring your hot water over it. Or

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<v Speaker 1>you can occasionally find like a Carraway tea available in

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<v Speaker 1>bag form, so either of those is great. You still

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<v Speaker 1>only need an ounce, so then you still have additional

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<v Speaker 1>Carraway tea to make more of these drinks, or just

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to have tea, you'll use a light

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<v Speaker 1>ginger in lieu of your bubbly and you'll use lemon

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<v Speaker 1>juice or lemon syrup in substitution for your lemon cello.

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<v Speaker 1>That will also affect whether or not you want to

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<v Speaker 1>put more syrup in. So it is to your taste,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you tweak it and you get it the

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<v Speaker 1>way you want it. This will become one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things you want often in both cocktail and mocktail form,

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<v Speaker 1>unless you don't drink it all, in which case just

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<v Speaker 1>the mocktail form. It's great. So that is the pin

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<v Speaker 1>Forte Dux. It's a little pretentious name. I love it

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm a little pretentious and I own that. But man,

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<v Speaker 1>what a yummy, bubbly sip it is. If you make this,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that you love it, and that I also

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<v Speaker 1>hope you enjoyed this wild story. Listen. I can't help

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<v Speaker 1>but fixate on this idea of a completely barbaric torture

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<v Speaker 1>that was de rigueur for a long time, exactly wild.

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<v Speaker 1>We will be right back here next week with another

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<v Speaker 1>tale of highway robbery, possibly more torture I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>and definitely more drinks to go with it. We hope

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