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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Let's bringing Big Mike Golik Pro Football Talk

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Speaker 1: Live co host, a former Notre Dame defensive lineman and

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Speaker 1: a former Mike and Mike co host. You know, people

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Speaker 1: say it's hard to get into Notre Dame, and I said,

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Speaker 1: the Goliks all got into Notre Dame, So it's not

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Speaker 1: that tough to get into Notre Dame, is it? Mike? No, No,

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Speaker 1: it's really not. Dan, Thanks for that. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: had I had I had the insightful analysis of the uniform, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: being the reason that the Bears and the quarterbacks aren't

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Speaker 1: playing well, I may still have a job as a

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Speaker 1: morning radio So that's what happened. That's what Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was it. That's just not enough. Great uniform analysis got

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Speaker 1: me booted. Yeah, yeah, miss Justin. We finally figured out

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Speaker 1: what happened to Mike and Mike. Was there a tactful

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Speaker 1: way for Brian Kelley to leave Notre Dame that everybody

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Speaker 1: would have been okay with? You know what, I find

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Speaker 1: it hard to imagine there's any way because what do

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Speaker 1: all these coaches say when they're in the living room,

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Speaker 1: You know, an of an eighteen year old is I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be your coach. I don't know of any

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Speaker 1: that's sitting there, and maybe I'm wrong. I'm not in

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Speaker 1: the living room where they say, you know what, come

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Speaker 1: to my school and I might be there and I

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Speaker 1: might not be you know for the next for your

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Speaker 1: time there. So they all give the thought that they're

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Speaker 1: going to be there. And then as far as leaving,

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Speaker 1: what makes a tough dan is now it's less than

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Speaker 1: two weeks away as the early signing period the NCAA

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Speaker 1: did that. It used to be the February where he

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Speaker 1: had a little more time. Now you got to have

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Speaker 1: your ducks in a row by then. So the only

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Speaker 1: way I could think it listen, we're two guys from

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Speaker 1: a different era. I don't think it can be it

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Speaker 1: can be held off. Could Brian Kelly say hey to

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Speaker 1: the ad, we're the only ones talking right now. My

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Speaker 1: plan is to do this, but I don't need this

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Speaker 1: out on social media. I need to go back and

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Speaker 1: talk to my team for I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: can do that anymore. I honestly do not know if

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Speaker 1: you can do that anymore. I'm glad he went back

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Speaker 1: talked to him after the fact. He didn't do that

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Speaker 1: when he left Cincinnati to go to Notre Dame, and

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Speaker 1: I certainly had a problem with that. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if there's a tactful way with the timing of everything

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Speaker 1: now in college football. And also everybody saw this with

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury where they're the Oklahoma rumor and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: deny it, and he didn't really push it to the

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Speaker 1: side and say I'm absolutely not going to a Cloma.

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Speaker 1: It was like, Okay, he's gonna use that to get

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Speaker 1: a new deal with Arizona. What if Arizona just said

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Speaker 1: you want to go coach in college, then go ahead.

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Speaker 1: We got a young team where you know you want

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Speaker 1: to go. Go. I think Cliff would probably take that

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Speaker 1: chance see it. But but I get your point because

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Speaker 1: you know you're basically and I don't blame listen we

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Speaker 1: at all. What's the greatest word there is in contract

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Speaker 1: and talk. It's leverage, And all of a sudden you

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Speaker 1: have other people after you, and you you can go

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Speaker 1: because contracts don't mean a damn thing as far as

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Speaker 1: coaches are concerned, so they can go. So if you

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Speaker 1: have the leverage, how many college coaches are going to

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Speaker 1: get paid like Mel Tucker, did you know because their

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Speaker 1: name gets thrown out. Yeah, I'm waiting for me for

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Speaker 1: Matt Campbell from Iowa State if he doesn't take another

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Speaker 1: job to get paid. If you can use it to

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Speaker 1: your advantage, so be it. But there is that side

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Speaker 1: of it. If they say, oh, no, go ahead, you

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Speaker 1: can go if you want, it would be really interesting

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Speaker 1: what would happen. Then. I don't expect that to happen,

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Speaker 1: but certainly a team could say it. But if I'm

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Speaker 1: Oregon and Mario crystal Ball wants to flirt with Miami,

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Speaker 1: then I would say go. Given what you've produced the

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Speaker 1: last two games against Utah, go feels like you're already

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Speaker 1: that because we were talking about that with Jim Harball

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Speaker 1: Big ten championship. He certainly wasn't getting in the four

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Speaker 1: same thing with Mario, who are you getting? You know,

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Speaker 1: where are you going? Who are you gonna get? He's

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Speaker 1: getting you right to the brink every year and at

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Speaker 1: some point I know time will run out. But that's

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Speaker 1: the first thing I always ask, is like, Okay, where

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Speaker 1: is Mario crystal Ball the reason you're not beating Utah?

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Speaker 1: And you could find somebody that can. How about Chip

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Speaker 1: Kelly returning to Oregon? Boy, wouldn't that be something? It

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Speaker 1: just certainly hasn't worked for Chip the way he thought

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Speaker 1: it was going to be. You know when he was

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Speaker 1: running that offense. Aaronn brought it to the NFL and

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Speaker 1: it fizzled out there and then return to college. So listen,

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Speaker 1: it would not shock me at all if they were

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Speaker 1: don't know if you can, but give it a shot.

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Speaker 1: If you want to have somebody that had success, there's

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Speaker 1: a proven guy who had success at your school. That's

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Speaker 1: actually a really good name. He's my goal. The Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Talk Live co host with Mike Florio and of

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Speaker 1: course formally with Mike and Mike. You know, why is

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Speaker 1: it that we don't embrace Tom Brady as maybe the

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Speaker 1: leading candidate for the MVP. It's almost like we're looking like,

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Speaker 1: can we come up with somebody other than a forty

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Speaker 1: four year old guy? Is it the Michael Jordan effect

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Speaker 1: or the Lebron effect? Where not that Tom's won as

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Speaker 1: many times as that, but he's just always there. He's

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Speaker 1: just a content. He's like that that bugging you're buzzing

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Speaker 1: in your ear. He's always there. It's like you're looking

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Speaker 1: over here and you're like, oh, yeah, there's that buzzing

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Speaker 1: in my ear. There's Tom Brady throwing four more touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: There's Tom Brady throwing five touchdowns. Because we haven't seen

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Speaker 1: it before, Dan, we haven't seen a guy this old.

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Speaker 1: Who is Benjamin Button, you know, who is reverse aging?

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Speaker 1: Who is still performing this well? We're not used to it.

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Speaker 1: So how much do we buy into it that says

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Speaker 1: a forty four year old? What is it saying when

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Speaker 1: the forty four year old we're saying is the best

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Speaker 1: player in our league, a league of twenty and early

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Speaker 1: thirty somethings. It's pretty odd. It's I guess it's tough

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Speaker 1: the way he's playing. Give me the NFL team that

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Speaker 1: I would say Buffalo. And you know they're playing obviously

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Speaker 1: You know, you score forty five, you score six. You

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Speaker 1: know you give up thirty one, you give up fifteen.

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Speaker 1: And at one point they were scoring the most and

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Speaker 1: giving up the least offense and defense. They were the

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Speaker 1: complete team. That's the Cardinals. Now I can't figure them

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Speaker 1: a bad way. It's with Minnesota, but they can't figure

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Speaker 1: expected Buffalo to be running that division now, right, and

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Speaker 1: now there's New England again, you know, top of the

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Speaker 1: division and the number one seed, Old Bill sly, old

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Speaker 1: Bill getting it done. But I would say Buffalo, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't figure him out. Maybe let Josh Allen go

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Speaker 1: you know, that's when they seem they were, they were

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Speaker 1: also with the Patriots, it's like begrudgingly acknowledge the Patriots

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Speaker 1: they would happen to win tonight, then people would probably

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Speaker 1: say they're the best team in the AFC. Because the

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Speaker 1: AFC it is. We went from okay, you have to

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Speaker 1: Chiefs to now wondering who the hell is going to

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Speaker 1: score all the points right because the Chiefs aren't what

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Speaker 1: they were And it's a combination of things from drop

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Speaker 1: to other teams. Don't stay stagnant just say oh, they're

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Speaker 1: just gonna let the Chiefe kick our ass. Every year

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Speaker 1: they try and get better as well, so we don't

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Speaker 1: have that dominant, high scoring team in the AFC anymore.

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Speaker 1: So that perfectly opens a door for Bill Belichick defensive

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Speaker 1: really kind of mature physically as an NFL quarterback. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of the the timing thing to go with an

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Speaker 1: AFC that isn't that isn't any offensive juggernauts where we

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Speaker 1: thought we were going to get the offensive juggernauts this year.

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Speaker 1: Help me explain the logic of the Ravens going for

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Speaker 1: two instead of going for the time. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know what John said as far as his cornerbacks.

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Speaker 1: He was running out of him and he doesn't think

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Speaker 1: that would have bode well for overtime, and it may

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Speaker 1: not bode well for the rest of the year going forward.

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Speaker 1: I don't so I can understand that. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the analytics said on that one. If it was

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Speaker 1: a go for two or not situation. Pittsburgh had certainly

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Speaker 1: maybe to take that into consideration. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: the play was there, Dan, the play was there the

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Speaker 1: guy who made the play. Obviously Lamar could have had

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Speaker 1: a little bit better with throw. Mark Andrews we've seen

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Speaker 1: him make one headed catch. Maybe could have made that catch.

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Speaker 1: But T J. Watt did a great job not crashing

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Speaker 1: or you know, and they're gonna get it. But TJ,

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Speaker 1: you know, who's just coming off the COVID thing at

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Speaker 1: three and a half of the seven sacks, does a

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Speaker 1: nice job and not only not going down to the fake,

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Speaker 1: outside not let Lamar run outside have to make a

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Speaker 1: quicker throw. But other than that, I mean, the play

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Speaker 1: of a problem with it the execution. Just give Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: and t J. Watton a little credit there. Well, I

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Speaker 1: just wondered with the Ravens, You've got the best field

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Speaker 1: goal kicker maybe in history, and that's a weapon if

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Speaker 1: you go into overtime, and you know, Pittsburgh's got their

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Speaker 1: kicker had a bad afternoon. So that was the only

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Speaker 1: thing I thought of, is I can take my chances

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Speaker 1: because I always have this weapon and nobody else in

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Speaker 1: football has this weapon. But you're right, the play was there.

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Speaker 1: It was just you know, it wasn't as firmly executed

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Speaker 1: as you would have hoped. There. He had eleven career

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Speaker 1: sacks learn and a half eleven and a half. Paul,

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Speaker 1: did he have eleven or eleven? And him, He's right,

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Speaker 1: I should have rounded up to twelve. Okay, your favorite

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Speaker 1: sack in your NFL career was against Well, I would

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Speaker 1: say it's when it was an eighty nine when we

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Speaker 1: what I keep telling myself, is your fortunate to get

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Speaker 1: this opportunity. Now, let's not screw it up. Let's do

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Speaker 1: everything in your power to make sure that you do

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Speaker 1: everything to get these kids ready to have success. And

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Speaker 1: it starts with the people, when it starts with giving

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Speaker 1: them your heart. And that's what I plan on doing.

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Speaker 1: But I would have send that video out to every

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Speaker 1: recruit coach when your players reacted the way they did,

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Speaker 1: and I just would have said, are you curious why

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Speaker 1: these players love this man this much? Come to South

437
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Speaker 1: Bend and find out we put it out on social media.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we've done that send it to

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Speaker 1: all the recruits, but you just gave me a great idea,

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Speaker 1: and as soon as we're done with this session, I'll

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Speaker 1: make sure that happens. Last time you talk to Brian

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00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 1: Kelly was when on the phone Monday, and then he

443
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Speaker 1: texts me after I was named head coach and he

444
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: told me, congratulations, What was it like yesterday watching or

445
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Speaker 1: Saturday watching the football with the possibility that maybe you

446
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Speaker 1: were going to slip into the final four? Who were

447
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: you rooting for or against? Coach? Well, I was obviously, uh,

448
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 1: you know, we knew there was a scenario where four things.

449
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: Two of the four things had to happen, and you know,

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Speaker 1: and finally I got a chance to just turn on

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Speaker 1: the TV in the fourth quarter of the Oklahoma State

452
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Speaker 1: game and you know, I saw the very end of

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Speaker 1: that game and that was one one of the four,

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Speaker 1: you know, and then I could not root against Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: You know, those are kids that I helped recruit if

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Speaker 1: you could get into if I couldn't do it, No,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. You know, those kids, those are

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Speaker 1: kids that you love, Those are kids you recruit, those

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Speaker 1: are kids you grow with. And UH coach Fickle was

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Speaker 1: obviously he was my college position coach and somebody that

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Speaker 1: gave me opportunity to be the first to be deepest

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Speaker 1: coordinator for the first time. And so I was rooting

463
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Speaker 1: like heck for those that program for him and those kids,

464
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Speaker 1: and they won and so then we were obviously you

465
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Speaker 1: were hoping that somehow, you know, either the SEC game

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Speaker 1: or the Big Ten championship, that would go away. And

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Speaker 1: it didn't. But you know, we control what we can control.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I've told this group, and that's what

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Speaker 1: I'm telling myself, is what a great opportunity we have

470
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: on January first to play Oklahoma State and Festible. Ryan

471
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Speaker 1: Kelly talked about the hurdles limitations of recruiting at Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: How limiting is that or what is the biggest challenge

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Speaker 1: that you're going to face in getting players to fit

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Speaker 1: into Notre Dame be able to get into Notre Dame. Well,

475
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Speaker 1: the biggest challenge is to be able to clearly communicate

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Speaker 1: what makes Notre Dame special. And that's to me, what

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Speaker 1: I've tried to do since I've sat in this chair

478
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Speaker 1: is that, Hey, there are so many things that Notre

479
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Speaker 1: Dame can offer a young man that will help him

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Speaker 1: be successful in the rest of his life. If you

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Speaker 1: want a chance to win a national championship, well, there's

482
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Speaker 1: certain schools that give you the opportunity to do that,

483
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame being one. If you want a chance to

484
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Speaker 1: really set yourself up for the rest of your life

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Speaker 1: by earning a degree from Notre Dame, then you can

486
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Speaker 1: do that here. And what you got to do is

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Speaker 1: to find a way to get that young person to

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Speaker 1: see life after football. But if it's all about national championship,

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Speaker 1: great Notre Dame could be in contention. Let's talk about it.

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Speaker 1: We've been in playoffs two our past three years. But

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Speaker 1: if you can get that young person to see the

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Speaker 1: minute they're done playing, that's when Notre Dame has a

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Speaker 1: great opportunity to get them. What's in your office there, Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm in the staff room. There's a couple of pictures

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Speaker 1: on the wall. Do you but do you have did

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Speaker 1: you take over Brian's office. Are you going to redecorate

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Speaker 1: at some point? I think I'll move over there. Right now,

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Speaker 1: I'm in my corner office, and I keep telling myself,

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Speaker 1: this is a reminder where you're at, what you've done

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Speaker 1: to get to this point. I don't need a big

501
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Speaker 1: office right now. I need to get to work, and

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing. How did you end up in

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Speaker 1: Ohio State? I was from Ohio and you're from Dayton,

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00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: right from Dayton, Ohio. Yeah, and I grew up in

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. Fan, you know, my dad was from Columbus, Ohio.

506
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Speaker 1: I grew up watching Ohio State. And when Jim trust

507
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Speaker 1: Will offered me a scholarship to Ohio State, I knew

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Speaker 1: in my heart that's where I wanted to go. Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame recruit you, Marcus, Yep, yep. It came down to

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Speaker 1: actually Ohio State, Notre Dame, and uh um. I really

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Speaker 1: liked Tyrone Willingham, who was the head coach at that time,

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Speaker 1: and so ultimately I chose Ohio State. And I told

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Speaker 1: our ad, I said, I don't want to I don't

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Speaker 1: want to make the same mistake twice. Well done, Well done?

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna schedule l s Shoe. Um, I'll leave

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Speaker 1: that up to Jacksonolrop. But listen, we I mean at

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Speaker 1: Notre Day, you will You'll play anybody and uh, but

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Speaker 1: I'll let him make that decision. Do you realize Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: beating Notre Dame is the reason why Cincinnati is gonna

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Speaker 1: play in the Final four. That's crazy, It's crazy, it

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Speaker 1: sounds yeah, man, that's the reason. And Uh, as much

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Speaker 1: as you wanted to win that one, you know, if

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Speaker 1: if you could choose one team or one group of

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Speaker 1: individuals to lose to, it's it's that group because I

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Speaker 1: know the work they it and you know I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be rootline hep for him when they play Alabama. Coach, congratulations,

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Speaker 1: good luck and we'll stay in touch. Thanks Dan, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. That's Marcus Freeman, Notre Dame's new head football coach.

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast from. You see a former

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Speaker 1: NFL quarterback Heisman Trophy winner at USC, Carson Palmer, joining

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Speaker 1: us on the program. Where are you right now? I

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00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: am in Las Vegas, Nevada doing what Tomorrow night? I

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Speaker 1: am going into the College Football Hall of Fame. So

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Speaker 1: there's a banquet event, all kinds of fun stuff going

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Speaker 1: on here in Vegas. Who gets thanked first when you

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00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: go into the Hall of Fame? That's a good question.

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00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: I think family. When you say family, it's very blanket. Yeah,

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00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: it handles kids at handles, parents at handles, wife at handles, brothers, sisters, cousins,

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Speaker 1: aunt's uncle. So I think when you throw out the blanket.

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Speaker 1: It handles everybody how much luck goes into winning a Heisman.

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00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: A lot of luck and and really just timing. I mean,

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00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 1: you watch what Bryce did against the Alabama defense against

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Speaker 1: the the Georgia defense, and we haven't seen anybody do

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Speaker 1: that all season long. And watching Bryce do that yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I mean, four hundred yards, multiple touchdowns, and he made

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00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: that Georgia defense look really really average, and you just

560
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: don't see that against the Georgia Bulldog defense like we've

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Speaker 1: seen all season long. So I think I think Bryce

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00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: won it yesterday. Yeah, there's Saturday. Yeah, I agree. You

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Speaker 1: have to have that Heisman moment. And that was a

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Speaker 1: Heisman moment. What was your Heisman moment? My Heisman moment

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Speaker 1: was against was against Notre Dame at home in Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles on the coliseum floor. I think Notre Dame was three,

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Speaker 1: maybe four. There were one lost team. I think they

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Speaker 1: were ranked three or four in the country. We were

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Speaker 1: ranked four or five. And beating beating Notre Dame throwing

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Speaker 1: for four hundred and something yards, throwing for three or

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Speaker 1: four or five or touchdowns. That that was my highs vote.

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Speaker 1: I got you four to twenty five and four touchdowns.

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00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: Against Notre Dame. That was it. I mean that that's

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Speaker 1: the thing is it's such a momentum award. And now

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Speaker 1: that we have the playoffs, and now that we have

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to see Bryce play against the best of

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Speaker 1: the best and then again for two more games, hopefully

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Speaker 1: the Alabama Crimson Tider still playing for two you know,

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Speaker 1: two more weeks of the championship week. I think that's

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Speaker 1: what you need right now. I think the voters. I

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Speaker 1: got my uh you know, as a voter, you get

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Speaker 1: an email, you get multiple you know, things in the mail,

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Speaker 1: and I've been holding off. I've been waiting to watch

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Speaker 1: Alabama play against against the George Bulldogs, and that's the

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Speaker 1: game I've been waiting for before I vote. And now

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Speaker 1: that I saw that game, that's that's where my vote

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Speaker 1: and my number one vote was going. As to Bryce, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm the same way. I'm a voter, and I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to see if he had a standalone game where

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Speaker 1: he because you can give him credit or blame in

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Speaker 1: how the Auburn game finished, because he didn't do anything

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Speaker 1: for fifty nine minutes and then did something and then

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Speaker 1: you know they went in overtime, so you can kind

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Speaker 1: of pick and choose there against Georgia. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: there's no argument there. He was great from start to finish.

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Speaker 1: It's the best defense we've seen in you know, five

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Speaker 1: or ten years, and at the college football level. So

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00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: so to watch him come out and play. You know,

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00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: they were down Metchi. You saw Metchi go down early

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Speaker 1: with the hamstring early, you know, whatever that issue was.

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Speaker 1: Number one target goes down and he still continues to

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Speaker 1: play and produce and put the numbers up. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it was a huge moment. It was a big,

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Speaker 1: big win. Obviously for the alip I am A Crims

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Speaker 1: have tied, but more importantly for Brights. I mean that

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Speaker 1: that was a Heisman winning weekend. Is there any downside

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Speaker 1: winning a Heisman? No? No, I'll never forget. I was

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Speaker 1: nineteen or twenty years old, whatever I was. I went

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Speaker 1: into Norm Chow, who was my offensive coordinator at USC

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Speaker 1: and I was getting ready to get on a plane

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Speaker 1: to fly to New York, and I was excited about it.

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00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was anticipating going to New

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Speaker 1: York for the first time on somebody else's dime, staying

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Speaker 1: at a nice hotel, you know, Limo service all that,

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Speaker 1: and then I went into Norm Chow's office and Norm

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Speaker 1: was like, Hey, this is the moment where your life changes.

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Speaker 1: This is the moment where everything is different from here on.

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Speaker 1: And I remember hearing that, and I was getting ready

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Speaker 1: to fly on like a Tuesday, and I think the

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Speaker 1: event was on a Saturday, and I remember hearing that

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Speaker 1: and thinking that, you know, obviously Norm knows what he's

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Speaker 1: talking about. He's been there, he's on that. And then

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Speaker 1: I went to New York. I won the Heisman and

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Speaker 1: from there on, no matter what you do in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: no matter what you do there after, you're always known

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Speaker 1: as a Heisman Trophy winner. And he Normschow was spot

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Speaker 1: on in that moment. We were talking about Kenny Pickett's

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Speaker 1: fake slide in the pit game against Wake Force in

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Speaker 1: the ACC title game. Okay, is it What did you

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Speaker 1: think of that play? First of all, you can't do that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's bushlee. You know you as a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and whether you're in the NFL or the college level,

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Speaker 1: as soon as you give yourself up, the plays over.

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Speaker 1: As soon as you say all right, I'm taking myself

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Speaker 1: out of this play, I'm turning into a third baseman.

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Speaker 1: I'm sliding into third. The play is over. As soon

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Speaker 1: as you do that, the play is over. And I

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00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a lot there's gonna be a

639
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: lot of changes from here on. But as soon as

640
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: you give yourself up and you say that the play

641
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: is dead and you go into that slide, the play's

642
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: over and they need to blow the whistle. What do

643
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: you mean changes are going to happen? Well, I mean,

644
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: I you know, I my I think second or third

645
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: year in the NFL, I had a guy dive directly

646
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: into my knee in a playoff game, blow my knee out.

647
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: And from then on it was called the Carson Palmer rule,

648
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: and then it later was called the Tom Brady rule,

649
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: and then it'll probably be the Patrick Mahomes rule or

650
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: whoever that is that uh that is that his knee

651
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: is blown blown out by one individual player on one

652
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: individual play. You know, I think that that'll change. I

653
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: think every every ump will go into the off season,

654
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 1: they'll watch the film, they'll see it, they'll talk about it.

655
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: They'ther side. It's kind of like when you saw it

656
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: in the NBA. As soon as guys started faking charges.

657
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you started seeing fake charges get called.

658
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: I think you're going to start seeing that at some

659
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: point because the college football has got to change that.

660
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: As soon as you give yourself up as a quarterback,

661
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: for as a player and the plays over the whistle's blown,

662
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: you move on to the next play, that that will change.

663
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: I think this off season, do you wish it was

664
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: still called the Carson Palmer play? I do, I do,

665
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: but I get it. I mean, Brady's Tom Brady. And

666
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: when you saw his knee get get blown out in

667
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: that season end for the Patriots, it made a lot

668
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: of sense. Why it was called the Brady rule. Why

669
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: are we almost fighting the urge to give Brady the

670
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: MVP or have him as a leading candidate. There's nothing

671
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: about it makes sense. I mean, the guy's almost fifty

672
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: years old. None of it makes sense. The numbers he's

673
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: put up me through four touchdowns yesterday against are really

674
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: good in Atlanta against are really good Atlanta defense that

675
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: is doing everything they can to stop Tom Brady, and

676
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: he just finds a way to throw three, four or

677
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: five touchdowns every week. It's amazing. Yeah, And you keep

678
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: looking at what he does you know Godwin had what

679
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: twelve or fourteen catch shoes and Evans and even four

680
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: Nette out of the backfield. This is you know, Tom's

681
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: not taking a five steps seven step, He's just it's

682
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: out quickly, and it just even if you know what's happening,

683
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: he's still able to complete the mission. Here. Yeah, that

684
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: Haymaker's coming and everybody knows it's coming, and no matter

685
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: what you do to block it and protect yourself, he

686
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: consistently throws three, four or five times. He's gonna throw

687
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: forty touchdowns at forty years old, which for a quarterback

688
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: that played in the NFL a long time ago, that's

689
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: forty years old. I understand just how impressive that is.

690
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: And maybe he gets to fifty, maybe they win another

691
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. It just it's one of those things that

692
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: just no matter what that next milestone is, they are

693
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: all impressive. It's like when you're playing golf and you

694
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: get older and can you shoot your age? You know,

695
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: when somebody is seventy two and they want to shoot

696
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: a seventy two, like Tom Brady forty four wanting to

697
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: have forty four touchdowns at least, I mean, that's it's

698
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: pretty amazing and it doesn't seem like it's going to

699
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: end any and there's no reason for it to end

700
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: anytime soon. No, none of us want it to. We

701
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: all kind of do we want to see at some point,

702
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: you know that that Patriot dynasty and now what's going

703
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: on in Tampa. You want to see it slow down,

704
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: You want to see that kind of You want to

705
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: see Patrick Mahomes take over that dynasty. You want to

706
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: see whoever the next young Kyler Murray, whoever it is.

707
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I mean, you've everybody's got

708
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: to be blown away by this what we're seeing weekend

709
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: week out. It's it's mind blogging. None of it makes sense.

710
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: The guy's almost fifty years old, still doing it at

711
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: an MVP level, and he might end up winning it,

712
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: and that's that might be what we need to see

713
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: as fans, is a guy that's forty four win the

714
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: MVP to go, Okay, this guy is the greatest all time,

715
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: because I feel like there's a lot of people kind

716
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: of on the border and don't really want to give

717
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: him that credit of the goat of the greatest of

718
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 1: all time. It's done. He won it. He's the greatest

719
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: quarterback in the history of the league, and we're just

720
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 1: continuously seeing week after week him reached new milestones. He's

721
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, former NFL quarterback, going into the College Football

722
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame tonight in Las Vegas. What did you

723
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: make of the Ravens going for two to try to

724
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: win the game in Pittsburgh. It's a rivalry game, you know,

725
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: I know everybody wants to you know, you know, put

726
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: a bulls eye in the back of hardball at the

727
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: end of the day when you're talking about the NFC

728
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: or the AFC North, those two divisions are so difficult

729
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: to win. They're so difficult weekend week out. You know.

730
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: I love it. I love the aggressiveness. I love them

731
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: saying you know what, we're gonna We're gonna win this

732
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: game or we're not on this one play and not

733
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: playing for overtime, regardless of what's going on in Pittsburgh,

734
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: regardless of what's going on in Ben Roethlisberger's career. At

735
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I love it and unfortunate

736
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: that one didn't work out, but they will work out

737
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: over time. For hardball, you imagine if the Patriots win

738
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: tonight that because it feels like we're very begrudging and

739
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 1: giving Belichick and the Patriots the credit they probably earned

740
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: as one of the better teams in the AFC because

741
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: we don't really know anybody on that team other than

742
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, and he's a rookie. I think they win,

743
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: you know, I think they win. I think that stigma

744
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: of getting past Belichick and getting past New England to

745
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: be lakrem de la krem of that division, it's hard

746
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: to get to. And I know everybody wants to jump

747
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: on the Josh bandwagon, and he's spectacular, he's you know,

748
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 1: he's got the arm, he's got the legs, he's got

749
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: he's got everything you want as a player. But at

750
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: the end of the day, that division goes through New

751
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: England and they're not giving it up. Mac Jones may

752
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: be a rookie, he may be in you know, his

753
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: first year under Belichick's under Belichick's control, But at the

754
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: end of the day, I think that team wins. I

755
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: think New England wins, and I think they're still the

756
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: best team in that division. Is Tony Romo going into

757
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: the College Hall of Fame tonight? He is? Yes? Is

758
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: he there? I'm sure he is I haven't seen him yet.

759
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he just got done call

760
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: in a game last night at midnight, and it's probably

761
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: on his way to Vegas. Okay, are you worried me

762
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: might be a little more animated or you know, he

763
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: might you know, he might have the tells straighter out

764
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: you know what he's gonna do. Romo is great at predicting.

765
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: He might be predicting what you're going to do before

766
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: you do it. He might predict my speech, which that

767
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: would suck. If I got out there and said the

768
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,479
Speaker 1: same speech that Romo just said about myself, that would suck.

769
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: Are you gonna gamble while you're there? I did last night.

770
00:39:53,680 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: It didn't go great. What do you still have the heisman? Uh?

771
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: You shipped it to me, but I don't have the

772
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: key to open the box. It's in this big beautiful crate,

773
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: this big, beautiful, you know, bank vault looking box, and

774
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 1: I don't have the key somewhere. The key is somewhere

775
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: in the mail, I'm hoping. So I have a nice

776
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: big box. Oh no, that the heisman is in the

777
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: in the box, I will tell you that it is there,

778
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: I hope. So it's heavy, Yeah, it's certainly heavy, but

779
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: I don't I need the key. Oh no, do you

780
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: know do we know who sent that damn thing out

781
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: to It's the one of the guys in the back. Yeah, Paul,

782
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: you said no, you said you were going to take

783
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: great care. I did. I closed that suitcase because I

784
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure, like you know, his his hand

785
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: wasn't sticking up and then we bent his finger or

786
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: anything like that. I closed the case and then we

787
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: locked it. Isn't there a key that works in this?

788
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: In all of those heisman cases, I think there's a

789
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: heisman key. Okay, I got I got a different key.

790
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: I didn't get the heisman key. I got a key,

791
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: but I don't have that key. So maybe Baker Mayfield, Kyler,

792
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: Mary Made, one of those guys will send me a key.

793
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm hoping. Oh man, I'm embarrassed. You were nice enough

794
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: to let us have well borrow the heisman, and I

795
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure it got back to you for

796
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: this big moment. We'll figure it out. No, I'm sorry

797
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: about that. Do you want to fire somebody? Can I

798
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: fire somebody? I'd love to fire somebody. I went to

799
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: the tables last night Blackjack was not. I'm a little

800
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: bit pissed off. Still, is there anybody there I can fire? Yes,

801
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: Seaton back tomorrow. I'm getting messages in my ear, but

802
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: people are already firing off blames and say, no, it's Mario,

803
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: but actually technically Dylan did it. But then it was

804
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: Mario who said to Eric to do the things. It

805
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: also could have been a problem with the actual mail,

806
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: whether it's that XUPS, whatever you call it, because I

807
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: got a photo was sent to me from the College

808
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame showing the case, and then there

809
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: was an envelope that had a little tear in it

810
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: that was attached to the case that the key was

811
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: supposed to be in, and somehow there was a little

812
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: tear where the key was either take in or it

813
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 1: fell out of the envelo. This this is a developing story, Carson,

814
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: that I've got to get some of my best people

815
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: on this. Yeah, put them on it. Yeah. Typically those keys,

816
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: those little teen tiny keys don't come up at the

817
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: FedEx facility or the UPS facility. But if I can

818
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: fire somebody, that would make me feel so much better.

819
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: I got a guy mcloven who's a lame duck who's

820
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: gonna leave right before m Fire mcnovin. I don't know,

821
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: not fire mcloven. I love Mcleveman. Oh my god. Yeah.

822
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: Can you display a heisman case on your mantle when

823
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: people come home? Trust me, my heisman's in there. There's

824
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: a lot of just put it up there. You get

825
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: a strong mantle. Don't get Carson at that Idaho house.

826
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 1: I've got a big, heavy hearth that you can put

827
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: that case on. And it's a gorgeous case. There's no

828
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: doubt about it. So yeah, I think you're right. I

829
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: think you just say, trust me that my heisman is

830
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: in there. It's in it, It's in it, all right.

831
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work on that and see if we can

832
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: find the key to your heisman. That's embarrassing, you know.

833
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: You would have thought that we would have lost the

834
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: heisman and you would have gotten the key. But it's

835
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: the other way around. Typically that's how it works. But

836
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: you know what, like I said, I'm sorry, I'm I'm

837
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'm hopeful. I think it'll show up at

838
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: some point. If it doesn't show up, I've got a

839
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: big gorgeous case. Have fun tonight. Don't let Romo out

840
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: out speech you because it feels like he might be

841
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,479
Speaker 1: fired up, ready to go. Oh. I mean, he loves

842
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: a camera and a microphone. There's no doubt about that.

843
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: I'll be in the back. I'll be waiting to be

844
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: I'll be scanning the casino floor, looking for the right table,

845
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: looking for the right dealer, looking for the right seat.

846
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: That's all I need is one good shoe. All I

847
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: need is one good shoe. Have fun tonight and thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Thanks John. That's Carson Palmer.