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Speaker 1: What's a Bachelor Happy Hour, Listeners, I'm back Puffren and

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Speaker 1: I'm Michelle Young, and we are so looking forward to

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Speaker 1: being back with you this week for a double whammy

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Speaker 1: to talk about both of the episodes this week on

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Speaker 1: The Bachelorette and of course the ongoing journeys of our

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Speaker 1: girls Gabby and Rachel. And it's time for Fantasy Sweet People.

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Speaker 1: There's so much that has happened during Gabby and Rachel's

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Sweet's Week that they actually had to split the

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Speaker 1: show up into two different episodes. Yeah, I have to say,

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Speaker 1: I think this was the most wild fantasy this Sweet

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Speaker 1: week we've seen a long way down and we are

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Speaker 1: going to get into all of that. But before we

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Speaker 1: do that, I mean, like Michelle, you remember in your season,

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Speaker 1: this is like truly the week that changed everything, Like

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Speaker 1: it was your first time you were alone with your guys.

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Speaker 1: And I mean we're really seeing both women's relationships shift

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Speaker 1: with these men. I mean, I feel like these men

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Speaker 1: are just dropping like flies. So there's a lot, there's

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Speaker 1: definitely a lot to dissect with all of that. But

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Speaker 1: in the meantime, first let's do a little check in.

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Speaker 1: It's been a week since we've seen each other and

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Speaker 1: have caught up. So what's going on with you? Hey? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm wrapping things up in Minnesota. We have

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Speaker 1: the State Fair. Oh, so I'm gonna be there this week.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm already preparing to have a stomach ache

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Speaker 1: for a few days because of how much food I eat.

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Speaker 1: Just preaking with pepto Bismo absolutely, yep, sponsors in your bag.

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Speaker 1: You'll be Seismo. Yeah, I have a good brand partner

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Speaker 1: for this month. But then just you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: tying up all my loose ends before I had to

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Speaker 1: la for the next few months. So I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you to be out here. I'm

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Speaker 1: also very jealous about you going to the State Fair,

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Speaker 1: because unless you're a Minnesota local native like you, no

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Speaker 1: one can truly understand like the holds that the State

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Speaker 1: Fair house on Minnesotans. It's like the biggest thing of

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Speaker 1: the year, truly, like the most random, cool, crazy, unique

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Speaker 1: culinary experience. So please let me live vicariously through you

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Speaker 1: and everything. I'm gonna taste and rank all the new

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Speaker 1: foods and everything. But also like even not even outside

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Speaker 1: of Minnesota though, it's like the number. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's the number one or the number two state

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Speaker 1: Fair in the entire US. It's the place to be, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it really is. How about you you need to fill

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Speaker 1: us in, though you need to fill us we have

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Speaker 1: so well, we have so much to cover today, man,

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Speaker 1: so much. I mean, life's the same, nothing new with me.

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Speaker 1: We're still working on the house. Thomas is still with

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Speaker 1: the mistress um working on that house. We finally have

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Speaker 1: closet space, which is incredible. But yeah, we've just been

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Speaker 1: It's been super hot here in California. I feel like

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Speaker 1: I've never heard people talk about the weather so much

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Speaker 1: being here. So when you move out, like get ready

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Speaker 1: for a heatwave, leave all of your cold weather clothes behind.

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Speaker 1: You will not need them. That's not an issue. But

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Speaker 1: like how hot are we talking? I mean, like San

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Speaker 1: Diego gets hot obviously in southern California, but like because

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Speaker 1: we're still coastal, you always get this nice breeze. It's

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Speaker 1: like never ungodly hot, but like it's been like in

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Speaker 1: the nineties these past couple of days. This weekend, like

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Speaker 1: this past weekend was like pushing one hundred. Oh, so

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Speaker 1: get right and when you come to California, You're going

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Speaker 1: to be more in the valley, which is even hotter,

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Speaker 1: so just be warned. Okay, But Michelle, I really want

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Speaker 1: to talk to you about Fantasy Suites because obviously we're

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Speaker 1: kind of where your mindset was both like when you

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Speaker 1: versus when you were the lead, because it's like pretty

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Speaker 1: and it's just such an odd experience because when you're

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Speaker 1: Like it's just it's such a weird and odd situation

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Speaker 1: Where did you line up? Were you the first? Middle

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Speaker 1: I was the first? You were the first? Yeah? Our

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Speaker 1: gonna sound bad, but like so confident that I was like,

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Speaker 1: fully feel like that too. I have an interesting question

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Speaker 1: so there's the it's not even a social stigma, right

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Speaker 1: of like you know, there's there's physical activities that you

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Speaker 1: not even gonna let people run with it. But for

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Speaker 1: And and now looking back there I would have done

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Speaker 1: Like there's so many more things Like I feel like

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Speaker 1: now looking back, there's so many more things I wished

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Speaker 1: as I needed to. So, but what about for you?

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Speaker 1: this scenario, because everything is so sped up and so heightened,

428
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: it's difficult, but like it holds a lot of weight

429
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: because you don't just marry somebody, you marry their family.

430
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: And like, if I'm very family oriented, like my mom

431
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: and sister are my best friends, so that holds a

432
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: lot of weight to me. And not everyone has that

433
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: relationship with their family, but for me personally, it would

434
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: mean a lot, And like it would be very tough,

435
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: not even for me, but like to put that on

436
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: my partner if like say say I was Rachel and

437
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: say I knew Tina was the one at the end

438
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: of this, like I would that would be tough for

439
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 1: me to put him in that position with his family

440
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 1: where you know, I would know maybe they wouldn't accept

441
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: this decision, but I would also then just hope for

442
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: the best and hope that with time they can learn

443
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: to accept and respect our relationship and accept and respect me. Right. Yeah,

444
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 1: it's like you have to understand that it's your family

445
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: and it's a very serious decision, and it's also a

446
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 1: lot to actually understand the whole entire process and journey.

447
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: And then when you usually meet them, you haven't seen them,

448
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: you haven't spoken to them, and they're seeing this whole new,

449
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: vulnerable side of you, and it's like you have but

450
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: you also have to have this like inkling, like some

451
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: inch of okay, they are going to accept me in

452
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: the future, because at the end of the day, they

453
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: should be like, with whatever you choose, you know, we

454
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: want you to be happy. And so doesn't mean that

455
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 1: necessarily like yeah, you get engaged, like the family isn't

456
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: just all of hiss headed not going to have doubts

457
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: because track records whatever you want to call it. But

458
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: also like you have to see that they're willing to

459
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 1: put in the work to understand and accept you as well. Right,

460
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure if Rachel feels that with Tina's family. Yeah, well,

461
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: my what I really took away from that conversation is

462
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: like when Rachel is addressing Tino about his family and

463
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: how she feels like they didn't accept her, They wouldn't

464
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: accept her. He seemed to be so clueless. And I

465
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: don't want to say he's clueless, but like in regards

466
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: to the situation, he aemed very clueless and shocked that

467
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: his dad especially said certain things to Rachel, which in

468
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: my mind of like where was the disconnect? Because was

469
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: the family not relating that same information to Tino. Did

470
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: he just not choose to see it or hear it?

471
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: Like there was such a disconnect that I'm like, you

472
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: guys all have a lot more to talk about and

473
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: get on the same page before potential engagement, because like

474
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: it's not just like she felt like they didn't like her,

475
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: It's like certain things that were said to her that

476
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: should have also then been said to Tino from his family.

477
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I want to have

478
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: him on the phone. I want to ask him him

479
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: watching his family or his you know, his home, visit

480
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: hometown to visit back. I want to know like what

481
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: things or what disconnect he saw or sees or still sees,

482
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: or just his thoughts on how he felt it went,

483
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: and like is he just not acknowledging them and is

484
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: just not a big deal or is a completely different

485
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: message related like you said, Yeah, It's just it's like

486
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: I understand there's lines of miscommunication that happened in any conversation.

487
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: I have it with Thomas all the time or with

488
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: my mom, like, but this is a big one where

489
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: he went into being like Rachel, they liked you, they'll

490
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: embrace you if it's us at the end and she's like, no,

491
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: your family flat out said x y Z to me,

492
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: where I know that they probably wouldn't. So it's like,

493
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: what are we missing? It was just and again, there's

494
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: so much that we missed that we just didn't see.

495
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure the conversation with his family and

496
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: then with Rachel and Tino together went on way longer

497
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: than we saw. There's a lot that we just aren't

498
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: privy too. And that's okay, but I can only piece

499
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: together what I'm seeing as a viewer, and I was

500
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: just like, where is this disconnect in communication? Yeah? But

501
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: but it was also like it was it was not.

502
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: I mean, we were very much uncomfortable at watching it

503
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: as Rachel was still uncomfortable, you know, So it wasn't

504
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: like Rachel was like, oh yeah, this is like all

505
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: great Rachel's just like, oh shit, this is still not exactly,

506
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, necessarily what I want. But but regardless of

507
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: all of that, though, we still saw her tell Tina

508
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: that she loves him. What were your thoughts, like, were

509
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: you surprised to hear that? Um? Yes, I was surprised

510
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: to hear that she said I love you. Not because

511
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: I didn't think that she didn't feel it. I just

512
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: think that she sometimes has been very disguarded with her

513
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: words of you know, what to say or how to

514
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: navigate certain situations. And so that's where I was just like, wait,

515
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't even a I'm falling in love with you.

516
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: It was like I'm there with you. Correct, Like I'm there,

517
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm here right now. Yeah. So I was like, okay,

518
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: all right, Rachel's where are you? What are your thoughts

519
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: were you? Were you happy when you're when you heard

520
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: Rachel tell Tina as she loves him? I don't know

521
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,239
Speaker 1: if happy story? Um, I mean it is what it

522
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: is like at the end of the day, this isn't

523
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: my relationship. This is somebody else's. There's a lot that

524
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 1: I don't know and feel, and so I mean, like

525
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: for me taking it back to my own experience again,

526
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 1: like I was only going to tell one man at

527
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: the end of my season that I loved them. I

528
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: wasn't going to say to anyone else before that very

529
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: last day, and that was my decision. And she's cheasing

530
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: not too and that's totally fine, like I didn't yeah,

531
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: but but also too for me just being like a

532
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: critical fewer here, I'm like, you got a lot of

533
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: work work to do, like with the family too, So

534
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: just like be a little bit guarded. That's okay. I

535
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean I want to, okay, what protective

536
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: of her? Well for both of them, you know, it's

537
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: like we know them now, we love them. They're incredible women,

538
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: and it's like you want the best for your friends.

539
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: It's just but okay. One thing more in regards to

540
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: Tina that I want to ask um, and this is

541
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: this is now fast forwarding to like the very end

542
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: of the second episode, but like still in relation to

543
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: Fantasy Suites, all three of Rachel's men are like on

544
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: different pages, right, Like Tina walks in with Jesse being like, well, okay,

545
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: let me start back up. Zach walks in with Jesse

546
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: being like, I'm super unsure fantasy Suites didn't go as

547
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: well as I thought, Like, I'm very confused now, even

548
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: walks in being like, yeah, it was great, cool, feel good,

549
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: like I've been this entire season. See you soon. Then

550
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Tina walks in and is like, and maybe I'm just

551
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: picking apart certain things that were said that rubbed me

552
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: the wrong way. But he walks in being like, I

553
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: executed that flawlessly. It went so well. I couldn't have

554
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: planned it better. Certain verbiage that just like for me

555
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: kind of gave me like the ache a little bit

556
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: that I'm just like, did you have to execute alone

557
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: time flawlessly or could you like, were you still yourself?

558
00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: That's where I'm like, just as a viewer left very confused,

559
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: you uncomfortable. Yeah, I think that anytime somebody uses the

560
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: word execution when you're talking about relationships and being vulnerable,

561
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: it sounds like you have an intent, like an intention

562
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: to act a certain way, and it's like you can

563
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: plan where you can, you want things to go well,

564
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: you want to talk about certain things, you plan to

565
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: talk about certain things, but when you execute it, it's calculated,

566
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: and it's like that's just not a word that we

567
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: use to describe like being yourself, authenticity, falling in love, vulnerability,

568
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: like this execution execution in it yeah, not the right

569
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: word is yes, I yeah. It's like we're not giving

570
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: a business presentation here. We are, you know, hopefully finding

571
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: a lifelong partner. So it was either it was either

572
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: a misuse of a word or miss miss intentions or

573
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: not the correct intentions again, which is something like if

574
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: we can have him on the podcast eventually, I would

575
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: love to pick his brain and have him explained. But

576
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: because I'm sure I could imagine maybe him watching this

577
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: back he's like, oh, maybe I shouldn't have said that,

578
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 1: or maybe I should have held off. I wanted to

579
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: try to give people the benefit of the doubt before

580
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: we talk to them always, so I would be very

581
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: intrigued to hear his side. But moving along to some

582
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: of the next fellas. You know, Johnny, we don't really

583
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: need to get into he left. I'm sure we'll see

584
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: him on the beaches of Mexico some other time very soon.

585
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: Signar Johnny Jason back. Yes, So Jason is another interesting

586
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: fantasy suite overnight that we not we haven't necessarily seen.

587
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: Two things we haven't necessarily seen somebody so uncomfortable by

588
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: the cameras before. True, But also if you think back

589
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: to Jason's hometown date, he did talk to his family

590
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: about he's not sure if he can get there, Like

591
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: he said that to his family when they asked him

592
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: if he was ready to be engaged. Right, yeah, so

593
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: he did express that, correct, but but but not to Gabby.

594
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: He did to his fan to Gabby, right, But he

595
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: did have those feelings. So the fact that he was

596
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: continuing to have those feelings, I wasn't necessarily surprised that

597
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: he was continuing to have those feelings, but the fact

598
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: that being I mean us being in those situations. You

599
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: know how much you talk about an engagement, so if

600
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: you're not ready for an engagement, that is something that

601
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: gets pointed out like right away when those feelings begin.

602
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: So I was very kind of just surprised that he

603
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: made it to this point after so clearly knowing and

604
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: really feeling like he can't get there, right, And we

605
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: see the differences between Gabby and what she's thinking with

606
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: him versus what he's thinking, like she ever started the

607
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: first episode of this week being like I know Eric

608
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: and Jason are there with me, Like I know how

609
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: they feel. I know, you know, I can see an

610
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: engagement and being love at the end of this to

611
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: him being like, I can't get engaged, and I don't

612
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: necessarily think it's like I guess for me, it was

613
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: interesting because we haven't necessarily really seen an overnight like

614
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: this where they go into it being like, let's spend

615
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: this alone time together to see where we can get

616
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: and I you know, usually if you have that time,

617
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: you would expect feelings and emotions to grow, and conversations

618
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: to be able to expand, to get to the next level,

619
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 1: And this one was one where it really lessened. Like

620
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: he left that fantasy suite not not only being like,

621
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, I can't get engaged, but like we're not

622
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: going to work out. Like it really digressed, Which that

623
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: was the surprising part to me is it wasn't just like,

624
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: you know, I really like you and I could see

625
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: a future with you. I just can't get engaged. It

626
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: ended of like you aren't for me and this is

627
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: definitely not going to work out. Do you feel like

628
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: it could have had the chance to go the other

629
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: direction because overnight, okay, you're not spending a week with

630
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: this person, right with no cameras, Like you're spending what

631
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: is it like eight hours? Maybe it's not eight twelve

632
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: okay depending on the man. Yes, it's right. And so

633
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: I was just like that that time that I do

634
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: do understand stepping away to get to your thoughts in

635
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: place in order, but like spending the night in two

636
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: separate rooms, if you're like emotionally already at that spot

637
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: where you already know like, yes, this is my person,

638
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: like if it's like a beliefs thing, totally get it.

639
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: But like I think I would just would have stayed

640
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: and talked through, continue to talk through so much more

641
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: to to decide in that moment, honestly, because it's that's

642
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 1: so much time that I feel like it's like left

643
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: that you could use to work through, not not work

644
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: through it as in work it and make it better,

645
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: but to like also talk there and be like this person, yeah,

646
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: this person at it? Or would you have split too?

647
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: That's where I'm like, I'm trying to think about would

648
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: you split and go into different different rooms or not?

649
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: I probably would have just left on my own. Then

650
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: I would have been like I don't want to stay here.

651
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: You can out of this room, Cinara. But I guess, like, Okay,

652
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: this is an interesting situation because it's not like Jason

653
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: gave Gabby an ultimatum, but he did say, you know,

654
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: like I like you, I don't see an engagement at

655
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 1: the end of this. I can't get there. We've seen

656
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: this similar situation take place in the past, but in

657
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: a slightly different format. So you know, basically with Gabby

658
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: and Jason, they had an overnight where they tried to

659
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: have a conversation and he told her, I like you,

660
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: but I just don't think I'll be able to get

661
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: to an engagement at the end of this. Take it

662
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: back a few seasons ago to Tasia and Brenton, like

663
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: he was one of her top three men before they

664
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: went into overnights. He said, and this is me just

665
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: paraphrasing something similar of like I like you, but I

666
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: can't get engaged at the end of this, and that

667
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: because I think the way the format was where they

668
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: didn't even go into the overnights and give it a shot,

669
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: was so blown out of proportion. And I remember doing

670
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: the podcast with Rachel Lindsay at that point, and she,

671
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, she was very she had her views of

672
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: like why would you come on the show. If you're

673
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: not willing and ready to get engaged, you know what

674
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: is at the end of this, which I completely understand that,

675
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: like the Gabby Jason situation, really is no different like

676
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: he is for now a couple of weeks at least

677
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: with his family saying I don't see an engagement. I

678
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: can't get there, and so it'll be interesting, I think,

679
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: to see how viewers react to that, because I remember

680
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: when it happened a couple of years ago with Brendan,

681
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: people tore him apart. I wonder if that's also going

682
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: to be similar to this situation. But for you personally,

683
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: if you had one of your top three guys say

684
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: the same thing to you, like I like okay, maybe

685
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: not even the same thing, but if you had somebody

686
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: that you were very into be like I like you,

687
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: I care about you. I could see a future. I

688
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: just can't get down on one knee and give you

689
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: a ring in a week. How do you think you

690
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: would handle that and react? I think that that would

691
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: have been a conversation that I would have needed to

692
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: have with that person at the beginning, just because when

693
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: you're going through meeting all these people you're talking to,

694
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: it like you are very flat out setting everything out

695
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: there that you want, that you know, and you don't

696
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: get to know somebody to the depths that you would

697
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: in the real world. But it's still a risk. And

698
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: so it's sometimes less about the like actual ring and

699
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: like the engagement and more of like the fact that

700
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: you're already taking a risk as is, even if you're

701
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: madly in love with the person, because there's no way

702
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: you can get to know them, and so are they

703
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: a person that is going to stick around then? You know?

704
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: So it's for me, I would have needed to hear that,

705
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: and I would have needed to have like that conversation

706
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: at the beginning so that I knew that going into it,

707
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: because when you lay it on right now, then it

708
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: just like puts a ton of other questions into it,

709
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: because yeah, it's not realistic to get engaged after knowing

710
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: somebody for how many months? Is it possible? Yeah? It is,

711
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: but you have to have two people who believe in it.

712
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: And if you don't believe in it, then is it

713
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: really going to work? Right? Yeah? I mean, I see,

714
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: I can see all points of view you here, would

715
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: you if somebody said that? Because at this time, why

716
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't you stay that ahead of time? Yeah, unless maybe

717
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: he thought he could have gotten there, which you know,

718
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: it seems like from everything he's already been saying he

719
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: wasn't going to get there, which is one thing. Yeah,

720
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: it's like maybe for me, and this is just me,

721
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: and I know people listening aren't going to believe it

722
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: because I've been engaged a thousand times before, But like,

723
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,240
Speaker 1: if it was my season and also depends on the guy, right,

724
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: like always, but if there was like the person that

725
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to be with at the end

726
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: of the season, like if they that last day, would

727
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: have been like, I love you, I want to explore

728
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: this relationship and continue being together outside of this and

729
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: like see how we can mesh our lives together and

730
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: like really put in the work, but I can't get

731
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: down on one knee. When I was the lead, I

732
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: would have honestly probably been fine with that. I would

733
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: have been like, look, if I love you, Tune, we're

734
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: on the same page, let's do this together. Don't put

735
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: another ring on it. That's fine if you're not a

736
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: thousand percent there, But if you're telling me you are

737
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: willing to put in the work and commit and be

738
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: loyal and have a respectful relationship. Let's see where that

739
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: could go. I would too, depend like depending on the person,

740
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: but it's also depending on how it's related. Because you

741
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: can feel like you know somebody and if you're talking

742
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: about engagement, love, being in love or all these different

743
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: things and these experiences, and then all of a sudden

744
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: they whip out that they're not ready, it's gonna seem

745
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: like a blind time. It's gonna seem like you were

746
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: led on right. So it's like, if it's done in

747
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: the right way, I think I would completely be like, yeah,

748
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: like I really wanted with like life with you and

749
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: explore that with you, you know, and I'm willing to

750
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: do that in a relationship. But it's more of like,

751
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: this is the first time I'm hearing this when you've

752
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: been hearing me talk about an engagement the entire time,

753
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: and would say like, oh, we are not on the

754
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: same page, you know. And with this situation, specifically with Jason,

755
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: he did seem very hesitant im Like I towards end

756
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: of that conversation, I was like, do you even like

757
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: this girl? Like, I'm very confused now of where you're at.

758
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: But he said, I yes, and I was so surprised.

759
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if you or what your thoughts were

760
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: when he said this, but after they kind of already

761
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: had the conversation or he's trying to explain to her

762
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: of what he wanted and that he did care about her,

763
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: he said like, if we were to take this, I

764
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: want to take this outside of the show and spend

765
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: time with you and then if it gets serious, like

766
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: he used the word if it gets serious, and I

767
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh, like this has been already thought was

768
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: serious and there's like, wait, what do you mean has

769
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: been very serious? Yeah. It's another example of like very

770
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: disconnected communication where she was on one page, he was

771
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: very much so on another, and they they weren't going

772
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: to get there, like they know at that point, there

773
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: was no way they were gonna They could have done

774
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: a week of overnights alone away from cameras, and I

775
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: don't think they would have gotten there. Do you feel

776
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: like they should have completely skipped overnights or you feel

777
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: like Gabby should have cut him at dinner. I don't

778
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: think so. I think I think they were both open

779
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: to explore and having that conversation, So if they and

780
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: I think they both went in with a short of

781
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: hoping like we could maybe get there. Let see. So

782
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: it's like, I think that if they both were on

783
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: the same page at that point to see where it

784
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: could go by all means take that time, like um,

785
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: and I think, if anything, it just helps them both

786
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: realize this is not going to work out, which in

787
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: the long run like helps them both realistically. Yeah, but

788
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: they you want them to have the decision might not

789
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: feel good, but at least it's clarity. It's yeah, And

790
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: I know we're going to get a lot of feedback

791
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: from all of our listeners and viewers about this situation

792
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: in general, because I remember bringing it back to a

793
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: couple of seasons ago when this happened Brendan, we had

794
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: a lot of opinions, and everyone is entitled to their

795
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: own opinion. I would love to hear what people have

796
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: to say if they think they're similar situations, if they

797
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: think they're vastly different, how would you handle it if

798
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: you were in Gabby's position. Yeah, so that was well,

799
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: we have one more fantasy suite or one more overnight

800
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: that we have to get into, which didn't go as planned.

801
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: Kind of the theme here of this week but Rachel

802
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: and Zach, like they have been a standout relationship since

803
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: the beginning, Like right out the gate, Rachel was super

804
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: into him vice versa. They bonded so deeply over like

805
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: their upbringings and their families. So it was crazy to

806
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: see him leave that fantasy suite and that over night

807
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: like a complete one eighty. And that was I think

808
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: the most shocking one I would say for me, because

809
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know me, every week, I'm like, Zach's

810
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: gonna be like one of the top two. It's gonna

811
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: be Zach. Zach's going to the end. And now I'm like,

812
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: what the hell happened? That's my world upside down? This

813
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: past episode was Zach. Yeah, and you know, not not

814
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: necessarily like it's as again, flipping your world upside down

815
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that anyone necessarily did anything wrong, but it

816
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: was just I was incredibly shocked and just even when

817
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: so to just talk about everything, Zach. They went into

818
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: their fantasy suite and then you know they came out.

819
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: Did they say did they say I love you or

820
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: I'm falling in love with you? I think they've already well,

821
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: they already exchanged it. A couple of weeks ago, Like

822
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: I remember she said it in correct me if I'm wrong,

823
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: but I think she said it in Holland right when

824
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: they were biking to the Yes, Okay, he already told her,

825
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: like in Holland that he was falling in love with

826
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: her when they were biking through the tulips and went

827
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: in the hot tub, and so it's been a while

828
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: for him to say it. Yeah. And then so he's

829
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: sitting down after this fantasy suit with Jesse and as

830
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: talking about how like he's visibly upset, he's visibly you know, uncomfortable,

831
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: and it's just talking about how he really expected it

832
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: to go one way but it went another way and

833
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: just really was seemed kind of hurt that Rachel questioned

834
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: if he's ready for an engagement at the end of this,

835
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: Is that what you got of the big picture of

836
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: what he was really hurt by or bothered by. Like,

837
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: I haven't really seen a situation like this since Andy

838
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: Dorfin on one Pablo season where somebody's really calling the

839
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: lead out and it seems like he's really calling Rachel

840
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: out for something that we have no idea what happened

841
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: because there was no cameras there. So now I'm interested

842
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: to see like how much was said or like how

843
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: much was that driven into him of like I don't

844
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: think you're ready, And also like where's that coming from?

845
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's like he's even though he's twenty five,

846
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: he's at least to me, has seemed very mature, has

847
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: been very expressive and open about how he's feeling and

848
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: what he wants at the end of this he's ever

849
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: given me like off vibes of like if he's ready

850
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: to fall in love and get engaged and be a

851
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: partner for life, like even on his first on his

852
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: first one on one day with her, they're not even

853
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: the first one, but like both of the couple one

854
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: on one day he said he's had with her, he's

855
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: been very open about his past traumas, like what he

856
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: went through to get to where he is today, what

857
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: he's looking for. And so that's where I was confused

858
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: of like the why behind this conversation. Wow, I'm even

859
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: more confused now. Okay, Well, and it's like age is

860
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: something that we've talked about on the show quite a bit.

861
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: Is like, you know, people can be mature and be younger,

862
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: and people can be older and be very immature. It's

863
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: all about like kind of life experience and like how

864
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: we got to where we are today. And Zach always

865
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: seemed very mature, even for twenty five. So yeah, and

866
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: I guess it's like it's not even something we can

867
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: really dive into that deep and get to the bottom

868
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: of unless we talked to Rachel, Like there had to

869
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: have been some reason of like why that topic was

870
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: brought up to the extent that it was. But what

871
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: did you think of the fact that when he was

872
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 1: so age, was like this driving force. And he also

873
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: said that when cameras were off, he expected it to

874
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: be different and it wasn't. And he really kind of

875
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: pointed to the fact that that she seems different, like

876
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: he didn't know who she was, Like he was seeing

877
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,959
Speaker 1: a different Rachel. He was seeing a different Rachel and

878
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: like just pointing at all of that. What are your

879
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: thoughts on those comments? I mean that's interest see too,

880
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: because again, like we've never really seen somebody question the

881
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: lead in that way. It's always been the reverse, where

882
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: the lead is like I expected this person to be

883
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: different or contestant to be different or come out of

884
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: this feeling different. So that's where I'm again, like I

885
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: don't think we're going to get to the bottom of it,

886
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 1: Like it's very interesting or like what actually was said

887
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: in that overnight behind closed doors, what it actually took place,

888
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: but like he's very much upset to the point where

889
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: like Jesse is working overtime this weekend this week dealing

890
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: with everything happening, and like the fact that that Zach

891
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: went to Jesse's room and sought him out directly. Usually

892
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: it's like Jesse walking and be like hi, guys, like

893
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: let's catch up. It's all like something we didn't expect.

894
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: And again, like the season has not been anything like

895
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: what we've seen before. But I and we have no

896
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: idea what Zach said when he pulled Rachel away that's coming.

897
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: But I'm glad that he did find the time to

898
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: do that, because like, if this is that big of

899
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 1: a thing and that big of a deal at this

900
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: point where it's like you can't accept a rose if

901
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: you don't if you think you don't know who this

902
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: woman is, now, like find the time to have that conversation. Yeah,

903
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: one thing that all popped into my mind right away too,

904
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: as this was like all unfolding with the conversation between

905
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: Jesse and Zach was. Everybody presents anxiety in like different ways,

906
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: and so there is this really big decision coming up,

907
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: and so I can see Rachel saying like, Larry's sure,

908
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: you're ready, like with you're twenty five, Like not because

909
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: that's what she feels, but because like that's what so

910
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: many other people have projected onto everything that she's like

911
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: was almost like throwing it out for validation or just

912
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: confirmation of like this has been something that's been thrown out,

913
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: thrown out several times, like you're good on that. Like

914
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: I can see her almost like not no, I don't

915
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: want to say that projecting your side, but like but

916
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: just having an anxious, stressful response because this hasn't been

917
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: a this have not been in an experience where she

918
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: has been chosen, where she has been felt like an

919
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: abundance of love from the guys, you know, where the

920
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: guys have been confident about her. So I can definitely

921
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: see her getting to this point, you know, just being

922
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: like are you really here? But me not that that's validated. Right, Well,

923
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: let me ask you this if she if somebody were

924
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: to just throw that at you once and be like, well,

925
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: you know, you're only this age, like are you sure

926
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: you're ready? Giving you the opportunity to respond? Would you

927
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: have like that shaken of a response coming out of

928
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: fantasy suitets like he did, Like he made it seem

929
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: like it was like driven home and more extreme than

930
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: just like you know you're younger than me, Like are

931
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: you sure you feel ready for this? Like are you

932
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: sure you've been through enough like life experiences or relationships

933
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: to get to where you need to be? Like for me,

934
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: just trying to piece it all together and I could

935
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: be so wrong here again, like I would love to

936
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: have rachelon or anyone on to top talk about this

937
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: who was part of it? But like for me, like

938
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: somebody questioning that is fine, Like it's like answering totally

939
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: to the best of your ability and move on. But

940
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: like to the point where he's coming and seeking out

941
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: Jesse and crying and so upset, being like I don't

942
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: know who this woman is. I need to have a conversation.

943
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: I feel like because of all of that and piecing together,

944
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: it was something more that happened that took place. Yeah, yeah,

945
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it was just would be just one

946
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: you know, one comment like you said, I think it

947
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: would just be I can see you know when you

948
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: are asking questions the fantasy overall overnight's overnights can be

949
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: really like stressful and just anxious and things like that.

950
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: But also you had to be able to work past

951
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: that and have like conversations based on where your relationship

952
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: is currently at, not you know, necessarily everything that you've

953
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: already like spoken about. So I just I have no idea.

954
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so intrigued at this point. Yeah, like

955
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: I will, Yes, I agree, I'm so looking forward to

956
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 1: next week to see because again, we haven't seen anything

957
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: like this up indill this point, So I'm like, I

958
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: have no idea what the hell is about to happen? Also,

959
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: like I have no idea if Gabby and Eric are

960
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: just like done sailing off into the sunset, or like

961
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: if she's going to keep him around like meet her

962
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: family and potentially get engaged, Like where are we at here?

963
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: I honestly, honestly, it's it is kind of fun watching

964
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: it as a person who's been on both sides because

965
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: you kind of can think you have things figure it out,

966
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: and like this time, like Zach, Zach would have been

967
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: my pick? Yeah, was Zach your pick, or was Tina

968
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: your pick? I think Zach was both of our picks. Well,

969
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 1: I say episodes ago. I'm going to say this right now,

970
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: and this is no shade to anyone. It's just what

971
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: I think from what I've witnessed. I have always said

972
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: I think Zach and Tino are going to the end.

973
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: I think those are her Rachel's top two, but I

974
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: think Zack is a better fit. I liked Zach. Yeah, well,

975
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: are you saying in the past tense? Yeah, he didn't die,

976
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: said Okay, I like Zach. I'm saying him because he's

977
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: so upset, Like, how do you come back from that? Yeah?

978
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: I think imuinely don't feel like maybe I'll just say

979
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: this in the most polite way possible to me right now,

980
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: and I would love to be proven differently. And Michelle,

981
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to say anything that like triggers you too.

982
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: I'm not triggered, don't worry. I'm certain things that I

983
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: have heard come out of Tino's mouth are red flags

984
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: to me, and that's what makes me nervous. I know

985
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: she loves Tino, and I think they have a very

986
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: strong connection, but I'm also a little hesitant to see

987
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: what that relationship could be from the things that I

988
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: have heard, and I will leave it at that. I

989
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: will say, I will one I'll clarify the word red

990
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: flags doesn't trigger me. I just try not to say

991
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: it because then everybody thinks that I'm like directly speaking

992
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: about a person and I'm yeah, no, I totally get it.

993
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: So that's why I said, That's why I said, can

994
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: we just give it a different name? Yet? Whatever? I

995
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: guess heynge flag. Honestly know, it's the same category, it's

996
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: the same. It is what it is. It is what

997
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: it is. But I will say that, um, I don't

998
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 1: you know, I do what does it do as I say,

999
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: not as I do. Let's yeah, I mean I see

1000
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: red flags as well, and it's just one of those

1001
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: things where it's like either going to choose listen to

1002
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: it or you don't. And I'm more comfortable with Zach

1003
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 1: than I am a Tino, significantly more comfortable with Zach

1004
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: than I am a Tina. Yes at this point, Okay,

1005
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: and again, but does that mean that I won't sit

1006
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: and get to know Tino and give him a you know,

1007
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: a chance of Absolutely, oh, as long as his chance,

1008
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: as long as his family gives Rachel Champs, you know,

1009
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: I'll give him a chance. Well no, And that's the thing,

1010
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: like any of any of these remaining guys that are

1011
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: left on this season, I would love to have on

1012
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: the podcast to pick their brain and like to get

1013
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: to know more because we've gone through filming now we

1014
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: know like sometimes we say the wrong things, we don't

1015
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: execute things as well as we liked. Like you learn

1016
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: as you go through it and as you watch it back,

1017
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: and so I can only I would hope that all

1018
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: of these men are doing the same thing. So I

1019
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: would love to sit down and have them on here

1020
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: and pick their brains and everybody's welcome. Yeah. Yeah, it's

1021
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: just always a snippet. You only see a snippet, and

1022
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: people can completely prove you wrong when you you know,

1023
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: are off off air, off the cameras just reflecting back

1024
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: and all of that, and you can kind of look

1025
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: at that. So I think, if you know, I would

1026
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: love to have him on. Let's go, Let's go, Let's go.

1027
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 1: Well that is it for two episodes of a Crazy

1028
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: Fantasy Suite week. Um, I cannot wait to see what

1029
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: happens these next two weeks. As we near the finale.

1030
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: You know, we've said since the beginning of the season,

1031
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: Michelle that we really have no idea what happens, and

1032
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 1: that is proving the case after every damn episode. So

1033
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: truly with that, miss Michelle, give me your rose and

1034
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: Thorn of the Week. I feel like we haven't done

1035
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: this in a while. Wow, we have not done this

1036
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: in a minute. Okay, Rose and Thorn of the week.

1037
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you have a lot of thorns?

1038
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: I'm really pay this week, Michelle. We are. I mean,

1039
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: I know my rose. Okay, give me then let's how

1040
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: do you start with it? I feel like I'm not

1041
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: trying to be native. I was just thinking there's a

1042
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: lot of like just like thorns that probably opped up there.

1043
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: It was a very prickly week, dramatic. It was a

1044
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: prickly episode. We didn't expect it. You know, you like

1045
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: reach for that flower and you get poked, and that's

1046
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: what that is a new little thing. It's a prickly episode.

1047
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: If you gets an episode with a lot of drama,

1048
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: and I love that. Um, Okay, well do you want

1049
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: to start? You start because I'm like literally sitting here

1050
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: like thinking about okay, like what actually is my rose. Um, Okay,

1051
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: So my thorn, Oh, I think just overall my thorn

1052
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: is like the vagueness of a lot of these conversations

1053
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: and the fact that, like we don't have a lot

1054
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: of context to the why of like why certain things

1055
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: are now happening. And maybe that's just the curiosity kitty

1056
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: in me that like I wish I would know more

1057
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: of like what was said to Zach, why is he

1058
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: feeling this way? Like you know, where was the disconnect

1059
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: between Tino and his family and now bringing Rachel into it, Like,

1060
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of unknowns. So overall, I'm just

1061
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: going to say that, um, my thorn is such a rain. Sorry.

1062
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: My rose is gonna be such a random onely because

1063
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: like I really can't think of like any like major rose.

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be Gabby's comment when she was playing

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Speaker 1: tennis with Jason and she goes, I wish she would

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Speaker 1: spank me on the butt with that racket because I

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Speaker 1: would I feel like I was watching that part with

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Speaker 1: Thomas and I'm like, I probably would have thought the

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Speaker 1: same thing. So that's gonna be my rose because that

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Speaker 1: is so funny. Picks for these flowers this week, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Rose and Thorn. I would say my thorn would definitely

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Speaker 1: be the fact that we are now have gotten through

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Speaker 1: fantasy Suits. But I don't think I've ever seen a

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Speaker 1: season where the guys are so uneasy where just uncertain overall,

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Speaker 1: and that's something that I think we've seen a lot

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Speaker 1: this season. And so that would be like fantasy suits,

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Speaker 1: that piece being just uneasiness, which kind of goes with

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Speaker 1: what you said. And then my rose would be on

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Speaker 1: trying to think of like an actually good Rose, but

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Speaker 1: it could be like Pretty Mexico was That's what I

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Speaker 1: was going to say. Honestly, just my rose would have

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Speaker 1: to be being able to watch um, both just Gabby

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Speaker 1: and Rachel at this point still travel and like have

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Speaker 1: these fun day day experiences, whether their cliff jumping, whether

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Speaker 1: they're siming, whether they're playing tennis, whatever. It is just

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Speaker 1: the fact that they're they they do look more relaxed.

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Speaker 1: They it's a hard situation, but they look like they're

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Speaker 1: a little bit more relaxed with like having fun and

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Speaker 1: just being able to also enjoy these guys companies company

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Speaker 1: during the non intimate time. I say, you know why

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Speaker 1: they are relaxed. The sweet no the day they comes first,

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Speaker 1: it's all the tequila. And to all of our listeners again,

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Speaker 1: like I would love, we will hope, we would love

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Speaker 1: to hear what you have to say about this week

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Speaker 1: and about certain relationships and situations that happened, because like

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Speaker 1: I love hearing people's opinions and trying to get a

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Speaker 1: different mindset of like what I you know, usually go

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Speaker 1: to So yeah, DMUs I mean right on our Instagram

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Speaker 1: in the comment section, whatever you need to do. Um

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Speaker 1: and then I definitely put up but we should throw

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Speaker 1: up a question or something out there, just because it's

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Speaker 1: always so interesting learning about everybody's interpretations of like what

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Speaker 1: they see, things that they pick out that we don't

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Speaker 1: pick out, how they take things. Sometimes we have too

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00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: much background knowledge that throws us off or whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, I'm I'm excited, and they're we've got

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Speaker 1: two weeks left, two weeks we're in our own stretch

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Speaker 1: to find out what happens. So Michelle, thank you for

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Speaker 1: dissecting a lot of fantasy suites this week. It's always

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Speaker 1: fun to chat with you, and and even bigger thank

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Speaker 1: you to our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners for being here

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Speaker 1: next week. Cheers, cheers