WEBVTT - 6 | To Live and Park in LA 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:04.800 The Red Weather is a work of fiction. Any resemblance 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:07.360 to actual persons or events reflects the adaptation of real, 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.959 publicly available materials for creative and legal reasons. The content 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.640 of this podcast is the sole responsibility of Red Weather 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:16.560 LLC and does not reflect the views of responsibilities of 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:21.560 iHeartMedia or its affiliates. Previously on The Red Weather. 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:28.000 Everyone thanks, you're the man, but I make you me. 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:33.040 This is Anna Traynor's voice. It's the infamous haunted tape. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.920 I do remember we found her car down south of 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.280 here that pushed us in the in the runaway direction. 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:42.720 Even if Nick managed to meet up with Anna, then 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:45.239 murder her couldn't have getten rid of the body and 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:47.400 driven her car all the way to SFO. Isn't it 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:49.640 a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:51.920 the woods and not the obvious boyfriend. 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.160 Who was all pissed because their girls sleeping around. Daddy 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:55.280 promises some moolah. 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.040 They half asked their investigation it goes. 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.880 Away, you're supposed to be writing, It's fine, I'll come 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.240 home right. There are two contributions to the nineteen ninety 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:08.000 six Maldonado campaign. These two companies Thomas Bolden was on 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:09.640 the board for both Okay, look, I don't need the 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:11.720 state and the District Attorney sudden banging on right. 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.760 We were trying to help you, iponoized Robert Maldonado to 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:16.960 no longer speak with you, and Officer Greer is under 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:18.240 orders to keep his work internal. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.840 Indie Strong, Oh they don't eat fish food. Actually. 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.399 Maybe it's not surprising that my son, Indy loves to 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.399 act and sing. He is, after all, the child of 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:35.240 two performers. 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:39.520 Oh they don't eat fish food actually, But is this 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:44.520 nected line? 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.760 Based on my experience, the kids that really thrive as 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:49.520 actors are the ones who do it for its own sake, 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.840 not because they want to be famous. So we've limited 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:57.280 Indie's acting to classes and plays. But then after he 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.280 appeared on a few episodes of my podcast, we were 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:01.640 approached by a voiceover agent. 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:07.280 It changed, Oh, they don't eat fish food, actually, Nope, 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:08.160 they eat. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.600 Get out of the way here. Now he's a working 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:17.000 voiceover actor and we got auditions about once a week. 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.119 Indy loves it for the most part, but he's still 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.840 a kid, and sometimes he just doesn't want to audition. 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:27.480 Just stand out, please, Indy, come on please, Oh yeah, 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.960 hold on, hold on, if we just focus, I know, 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:32.639 but do you uh do you want me to read 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:34.919 the other lines? Is that going to help you? What 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:36.840 do you want me to read the other lines? 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:37.480 No? 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.040 Okay? Well, how did mom do the auditions while while 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:44.239 I was gone? Because you had like, I'm not doing that? 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.040 You were gone for so long? No? No, why didn't 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.160 I go? Well, I was, I was working. We wouldn't 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:49.919 have been able to hang. 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:51.680 Out doing the podcast about the girl? 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.040 Yeah, she was your friend? Yeah, well her sister was. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:56.680 What happened? 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.079 Well, that's that's what I'm trying to figure out. 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.040 Your friend a sister? 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:01.799 What's your name? 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:04.320 Did I meet her? 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:05.600 No? 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:07.560 I mean I think there was one fourth of July 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:08.919 that she might have been. I don't remember. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:10.400 She died? 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:15.600 Yeah? Wow, uh she was you know, she was a 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.359 very unhappy. Can we get back to this. She was 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:18.519 just a very unhappy person. 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:20.720 She killed herself. 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.520 Yeah, that's it. 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:29.400 Yeah, and you never knew what happened to her sister. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.720 No, that's that's while I was gone for those two weeks. 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:34.920 I'm trying to look into this. But come on, can 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:36.000 we just focus on this and do. 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:37.880 This Why did you stop? 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:40.560 It's complicated, buddy. There are lots of people who don't 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:41.320 want me doing this. 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:42.800 Are they bad people? 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:43.040 Well? 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.480 I think so. You know, there's just I don't know. 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:51.040 There's so many reasons, Dad. You should help. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.440 You have to help, that's the right thing. 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.640 After this conversation, I couldn't decide if Indy was being 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.600 naive or brave. I mean, he was definitely coming from 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:09.640 a place of innocence, but there's different meanings there. Right, 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:15.000 you can be innocent as in foolish immature, or you 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:19.440 can be innocent as in pure and honest, not corrupted 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.719 by cynicism, by a world where powerful people get to 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:26.440 do what they want and ignore questions. He was right, 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:30.560 I should help, but I didn't know what that meant anymore. 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.000 I am actor and filmmaker, right strong, This is the 0:04:35.040 --> 0:05:30.279 red weather way to take someone's tragedy and make it 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.599 all about you. Writer. Now that it was public that 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.080 this podcast was happening, social media posts and comments weighed in, 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.640 Oh this is my favorite. This is a vanity project 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:43.960 of a washed up child actor. I knew my wife 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:45.960 was right, but I couldn't help but think there might 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.920 be something useful in here since none of the podcast 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.160 was released, though most of the comments were just about 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:55.359 the irresponsibility of true crime and personal attacks on me, 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.919 which hurt, of course, but I tried to put my 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.720 own feelings aside and be optimistic. Maybe, just maybe the 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.680 attention might help. Now that it was public, someone might 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.680 come forward with information or want to get involved. But 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.640 now it had the opposite effect. This is strong. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:15.159 My name is Jury Dunenfeld. 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.200 I am an attorney with Warren Tolan and Shapiro. You 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.080 should have received a letter from my office. Use certified mail. 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:25.880 I had. From the letter, your podcast appears poised to 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.360 make unfounded and damaging claims about our client that would 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:33.480 be Mick. Such claims, if broadcast, may constitute defamation under 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:38.120 current statute. Basically a cease and assist. All in all, 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.599 it felt like the universe was telling me to sit 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.720 down and shut up. I had been shut out of 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.120 any official reopening of the case, assuming there was one 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.760 by Grace Laughlin, the current Sonoma County Sheriff. Please record 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:51.560 your message. 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.880 When you have finished recording, you may hang up. 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:54.800 Hi. 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:58.599 Sheriff Maldonado. It's writer and Sheriff Maldonado, who led the 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.760 case in nineteen ninety five, also wasn't returning my calls. 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:06.080 I am still making the podcast, and I wanted you 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:10.960 to know, for me to hear it directly that I 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.480 have been in touch with Monica Tremblaine a few times. 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:18.760 But you know, I'm working on my own here. I'm 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:22.320 making progress. I felt compelled to distance myself for Monica 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.560 because she had decided to publish information about contributions to 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:31.520 Maldonado's nineteen ninety six campaign for sheriff. In my opinion, prematurely. 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.440 It's not like I stopped them or anything. The most 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.360 that I can do as a citizen is file a 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:38.800 damn for your report. 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.240 And that's what you did. That's how you that's you 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.920 already did that. Yeah, so we could get the full 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:45.920 campaign records. 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:49.600 Yeah, it's not about anything legal or an investigation into 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.640 the Sheriff's department. That's that's up to the attorney general. 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:58.040 Okay, okay, No, I just you know I started out, 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.600 I'm trying to make a podcast. I'm trying to solve 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.000 this thing, and I feel like, uh, we were getting 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.800 somewhere with them with their help, Hi. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.440 Writer, if they really cared about Anna and if they 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.160 wanted to solve this cold case, they would have welcomed 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:17.840 the transparency, wouldn't they want to know where shit went wrong. 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.280 It was still hard for me to believe that Maldonado 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.520 in particular would go from helping me as much as 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.360 he did to completely ignoring me. 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:28.240 They should be like opening up their doors to you, 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.400 to us, but instead, the minute that you brought up 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.319 Mick Bowden, a multi millionaire, sound up a multimillionaire. 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:38.160 Guess what they did. They turned on you. That was true. 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:40.560 Mick could become the main person of interest in Anna's 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:56.839 disappearance because of the mixtape. 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:45.840 So. 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.920 Of course I didn't keep my day when they. 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:54.240 Had a fit. 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.760 Scin Kid was ten years old and the name came 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:58.600 in alongside the tracks so called. 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.880 The tape had songs movie clips from Wild at Heart 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.560 and bad Lands, and then Anna talked directly to Mick, 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:08.760 he can do it. I can do it. 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:14.280 You're my sailor, You're my real life nickey because you 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:15.840 are so cool. 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.440 It was so intimate and implied a connection between the 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:23.480 two of them that was powerful, secretive, romantic, which is 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.160 never how I thought about them. I started this podcast 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.240 thinking Mick was against Anna, that he had this revenge 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.480 porn plan that got derailed that night by me and 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:36.160 my friends, that he was driven by jealousy and possessiveness. 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:38.560 But hearing the tape, I had to consider that he 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:43.040 and Anna were actually really in love and maybe that 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.240 motivated him. Maybe his parents didn't want him to be 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.360 with her. Maybe he was dating this new girl but 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:50.680 had gotten back together with Anna and didn't know what 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:54.720 to do. Was Anna like really into art? No, I 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:55.680 don't think so. 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:56.520 I have no memory of that. 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:58.720 I checked in with my buddy Chris, who had started 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.120 this podcast with me. I didn't think so either. But 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.240 it's really weird because on the tape she keeps talking 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:05.120 about Van Go. 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:07.280 I don't know, dude. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.720 Here's the more important question, how's the feature coming? 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.560 Don't ask? I had been hired to write a horror 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:15.920 script for a production company out of Austin, and at 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:20.360 this point my draft was weeks behind. Luckily, Chris thought 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:21.560 he could help buy me some time. 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.079 Well, I'll call David. I'll call David. 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.520 David was Chris's agent who had actually introduced me to 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:28.839 the producers in the first place. 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:32.880 He reps those guys at least Stephen from Gearhyes, oh my. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.360 God, Yes do you think do you think David could 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:35.960 hold them off? 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:36.480 Yeah? 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.640 I think you need to get your ass writing. But yes, 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.000 if David comes at them with writers going through it, 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:47.599 he's going through trauma, his old friend killed herself, trauma, trauma, trauma. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.000 They'll catch you some slack. Yeah, I'm him. I'll call her. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:51.959 God, thank you, thank you so much. 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:52.280 Man. 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.760 You're a tortured artist and that's why they want you 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:56.960 to write their script and not some hack. 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.000 But enough with the torture. 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.880 You don't need any more to on your torture plate. 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:07.680 My wife couldn't agree more. Nope, can't hear that again. 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.520 She put a moratorium on listening to Anna's mix. But 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.240 it's not bad music, to the point, I don't need 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.720 to hear it over and over again. It's not like 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.319 the four hundred and fifty fourth time you're going to 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.400 hear something new. I still wanted to know what Anna 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.640 was talking about on the tape, so why don't you 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.240 write down what she says? It was actually a good idea. 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.760 I found software that transcribed everything, including the lyrics to 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.760 all the songs. I now had a full text file, 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:43.559 a readable and searchable version of the tape. I wanted 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.360 to read the song lyrics. I kept thinking Anna chose 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.760 these songs for a reason, which is a big assumption. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.160 I know some people don't care about lyrics at all. 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.400 It doesn't matter what a song is sane, if it's 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.040 got a groove, that's the way alex is. Hold on, 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.240 just listen to this one song because I think this 0:11:59.280 --> 0:11:59.880 one's important. 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:06.280 Where myself go Nope, nope, not into it? 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.360 Okay, fine, but what is it about? 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:10.360 I don't care. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.320 I can't get past the music. But I knew she 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.360 liked pearl Jam, which Anna had included. She put Daughter 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.840 on here by Pearl Jam. You like that song? I do, Okay, 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:20.440 what's it about? 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:21.199 Okay? 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:26.280 Well my interpretation and you know, stay with me here. 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.520 I think it's about a daughter. But I couldn't help it. 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.040 I kept thinking of the mix as a direct expression 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:37.240 from Anna, like her own soundtrack, the musical of her life. 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.280 So like, did she listen to Daughter and think of 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:48.640 her mom? Laney? I know That's how I thought of 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.640 music when I was a teenager, especially if I made 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.480 a mix for someone. If I included a song, it 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.920 was because it expressed something I wanted to say to them, 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.920 or wanted them to understand about my life. I was 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.960 locked into being my mother's daughter. I was just eating 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.319 bread and water. I read the lyrics to Annie DeFranco's 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.480 song out of Range to Alex, thinking nothing ever changes, 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.160 and I was shocked to see the mistakes of each 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.360 generation will just fade like a radio station if you 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.440 drive out of range. She just doesn't want to become 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.480 her mom exactly, and she wants she has to get 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.079 away from her would I mean, but it's so ironic 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.600 because Anna's mom is part of this progressive group of 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.360 women living out in the woods, and yet here she 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:35.840 is listening to this song about an abusive relationship and escaping. 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.559 All of that is total speculation. And like my wife, 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:45.600 you might think I was getting a little obsessive. What fuck? 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:47.800 I said, a new schedule of waking up at five 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:49.600 am to get some work done before I took Indy 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.439 to school. I drag myself out of bed, make a 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.560 pot of green tea, and sit at my computer try 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.400 to only think about what I had to write. Inevitably, 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:02.680 I would find myself with my headphones on listening to 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:09.599 the mix. As it turned out, one morning around six am. 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.120 Maybe it was the four hundred and fifty fourth time 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:17.600 I did find something. Okay, I was reading along while 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.320 listening and there's this section. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.400 Get used to it because I'm picking all the music. 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.880 In Operation van Go. I'm gonna make you camp. 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:29.000 You're gonna hate it. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.840 Did you hear that I'm gonna make you camp? And 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.880 she called it Operation van Go, Like van Go wasn't 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.800 about the artist, but a code name for something, and 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.120 then it clicked. The movie clips she included bad Lands, 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.880 Wild at Heart. These were movies where two lovers got 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.560 into a car and ran away. All this van Go 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:52.920 stuff wasn't about the artists. It's literally the words themselves. 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:57.440 It's a code operation to go, maybe maybe even get 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.400 in a van and go. The mixtape was evidence Anna 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.760 did want to run away, that she and Mick were 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.360 planning some of great escape, which meant it was time 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.960 for me to confront one of the most confounding aspects 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:26.320 of Anna's disappearance, the Kelty parking lot. This is why 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.800 he kept a secret. I called Monica that day. It's 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.960 literally a tape where she's talking about her and Mick 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:36.800 running off together. The theory is she paged him. He 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:41.520 picked her up that night, Yes, and they start Operation Mago. 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.480 But then something was wrong, or maybe she didn't even 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.880 want to leave in the first place. He could have 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:52.240 backed out, yes, and things turned violent or I mean, 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.280 actually maybe not. Maybe they just split up and she 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.520 really did run off and he brought her to her 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.720 car and then she just drove herself took a Keelty wall. 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.080 For all these years, the clearest indication that Anna had 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.800 run away has been the fact that her car, technically 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.280 her mom's car, but the one she used, was found 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:11.360 in a parking lot near the San Francisco Airport. Anna 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.240 or someone had driven the car to the Keelty parking 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.920 lot on Franklin Avenue, only a few miles from SFO, 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.680 to fly away, or if someone had murdered her to 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.200 make it look like she had flown away. There was 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.360 no plane ticket bought under Anna's name, no flight record, 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.920 but in nineteen ninety five, domestic flights rarely checked ideas 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.160 buying a plane ticket in cash under a pseudonym was 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:37.280 entirely possible. I have some problems here, as usual. Monica 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:38.120 didn't hold back. 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:42.160 First of all, if Nick didn't murder her and he 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.080 just decided not to go run away with her, why 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.520 not just say that, why not come forward to that, 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.720 you know? And then if he does murder her, that 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.000 means number one, he's got to hide his body well 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.560 enough then nobody ever finds it. Number Two, he's got 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.480 the car to the parking lot and then get back 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:00.000 in time not to miss school the next day. 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.760 But how do we know that he was in school? Well, 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.480 I'm not sure if he was ever marked absent. 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.119 But to be honest, I don't even know if the 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.600 records were ever checked because because she said that. 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.680 He was with her, but she could have easily changed 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.640 her story to cover for him, which the witness logs 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:20.920 made a strong case for. Plus, if Mick had bought 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.040 her that new car, she registered the Jetta only a 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:25.159 couple weeks later. 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.080 Her parents said that he was at the house in 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.360 the morning, So that means that he's now not only 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.000 bought her silence and help, but also her parents. 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:36.600 I just don't Yeah, no, that's too much. That's even 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.440 if you don't really want to be recorded, I'd really 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.600 love to talk. For the millionth time I tried to 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.359 reach Anna and Willow's mom, Laney, I was worried what 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.040 she might think now that the word was out publicly. 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:51.200 I'd like to explain what I've been doing, because the 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.840 stuff that's online right now is definitely not the whole story. 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:58.720 And Laney's car, the car that Anna drove in nineteen 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.800 ninety five was a nineteen eighty eight Toyota Ursoll Tudor white. 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:07.200 My brother and everyone remembered. Anna and Willow called it Tony. Yeah, 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:11.400 stick shift, I had like a beige interior. I remember. 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.320 Tony wasn't found until December second after it was logged 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.000 at the impound lot. When Maldonado and his team caught 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:18.679 up with it, all they could do was search the 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:22.520 car well, no signs of a struggle. Maldonado went over 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.400 the car evidence with me the first time we sat 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.840 down back when he was still talking with me. No notes, 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.520 no blood. All we can do is bag what was 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.199 inside that I had seen in the case file. You 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:34.640 tell me what you want to see and I can 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.040 go pull it from the lockers, bring it out here, 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:42.679 long sleeve shirt, sandals, size six. The more important and 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:46.240 more puzzling aspect of the car was when it had 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:50.960 been parked. Understanding that was critical to confirm and mixed story. 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:52.960 I mean, but there's no way he could have done 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:54.200 all of this that night. 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.680 The San Francisco Airport is at least an eighty minute 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.320 drive from Sebastopol, Right, But you're assuming that the car 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:03.520 definitely showed up at the Keelty lot on November first. Oh, 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:05.679 you mean the pay through confusion. The car had been 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.360 towed from the Keelty lot, where its fees had gone unpaid. 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.320 That lot offered twenty four hours of parking for seven dollars, 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:16.560 which side note that's mind bockling. Nowadays, the cheapest rate 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.000 for twenty four hours is like forty five. Keelty was 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:23.359 one of those off site parking companies. It was Bear Bones, 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.399 just a lot. They had six lots, three by SFO 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:29.240 and three by the Oakland Airport. The Franklin Avenue lot 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:33.840 was uncovered with barely any infrastructure. They didn't have cameras 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:34.359 or anything. 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:37.640 Nope, no kidding. They didn't even have auto stamp tickets and. 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:39.560 The cashier was only on site between the hours of 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.359 six am and eight pm. In off duty hours, a 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:44.959 person would fill out a self pay envelope and slide 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:48.399 it into one of those metal lock boxes. They had 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:52.080 two employees in the days after Halloween. Those guys also 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.880 had shifts, and neither one of them checked the car ready, 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.439 meaning Tony arrived after hours. To figure out when the 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.480 car was parked, don Ado and his team could only 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.560 work backwards from when it arrived at the impound lot. Well, 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:08.040 they'd to any car after ten days in paid, but 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:09.600 they did all their Tony at the end of the month, 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:12.840 so all they had was the self pay envelope, and 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:17.240 unfortunately that envelope was marked in a maddening way. There 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:21.600 was a date eleven four written in black ink, and 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:26.600 then three days written in blue Kelty. Attendants said they'd 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.280 often write a notation on the envelope based on the 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:33.720 information and the cash given, but no one claimed either 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:37.800 the three days or the November four handwriting as their own. 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.159 Can you explain the paid through thing super carefully? Just 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:42.359 so we had yet here. 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:46.960 Well, the initial assumption was that someone paid for three 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.840 days and the eleven four was a date of expiration 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.360 written down by an attendant, So Tony. 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:54.480 Showed up early morning November first. 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:58.600 But then, and this is really getting into the weeds. 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.320 There is a good chance that whoever filled out the 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.560 envelope put the date they pulled in rather than the 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:04.760 date they paid through. 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:08.320 This was a common occurrence, as Monica reported in The 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:12.000 Press Democrat at the time, Kelty employees estimated that about 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:16.080 quote a quarter of their customers misunderstood the instructions and 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.919 would put the date of entry, allowing the amount of 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:23.800 money inside to indicate when they were paid through. So right, 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.639 the person could have meant it at a way which 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:28.639 narrow is the likely window of Tony pulling into the 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:32.440 lock to November first before six am, within eight hours 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:36.840 of Anna last being seen, or sometime during the after 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:40.040 hours of November fourth, twelve am to six am or 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.439