1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: The Red Weather is a work of fiction. Any resemblance 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: to actual persons or events reflects the adaptation of real, 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: publicly available materials for creative and legal reasons. The content 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: of this podcast is the sole responsibility of Red Weather 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: LLC and does not reflect the views of responsibilities of 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: iHeartMedia or its affiliates. Previously on The Red Weather. 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: Everyone thanks, you're the man, but I make you me. 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: This is Anna Traynor's voice. It's the infamous haunted tape. 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: I do remember we found her car down south of 10 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: here that pushed us in the in the runaway direction. 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: Even if Nick managed to meet up with Anna, then 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 3: murder her couldn't have getten rid of the body and 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: driven her car all the way to SFO. Isn't it 14 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 3: the woods and not the obvious boyfriend. 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: Who was all pissed because their girls sleeping around. Daddy 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: promises some moolah. 18 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: They half asked their investigation it goes. 19 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: Away, you're supposed to be writing, It's fine, I'll come 20 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: home right. There are two contributions to the nineteen ninety 21 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: six Maldonado campaign. These two companies Thomas Bolden was on 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 3: the board for both Okay, look, I don't need the 23 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 3: state and the District Attorney sudden banging on right. 24 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: We were trying to help you, iponoized Robert Maldonado to 25 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: no longer speak with you, and Officer Greer is under 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: orders to keep his work internal. 27 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 4: Indie Strong, Oh they don't eat fish food. Actually. 28 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: Maybe it's not surprising that my son, Indy loves to 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: act and sing. He is, after all, the child of 30 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: two performers. 31 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 4: Oh they don't eat fish food actually, But is this 32 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 4: nected line? 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: Based on my experience, the kids that really thrive as 34 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: actors are the ones who do it for its own sake, 35 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: not because they want to be famous. So we've limited 36 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: Indie's acting to classes and plays. But then after he 37 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: appeared on a few episodes of my podcast, we were 38 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: approached by a voiceover agent. 39 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 4: It changed, Oh, they don't eat fish food, actually, Nope, 40 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 4: they eat. 41 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: Get out of the way here. Now he's a working 42 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: voiceover actor and we got auditions about once a week. 43 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,119 Speaker 1: Indy loves it for the most part, but he's still 44 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: a kid, and sometimes he just doesn't want to audition. 45 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: Just stand out, please, Indy, come on please, Oh yeah, 46 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, if we just focus, I know, 47 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: but do you uh do you want me to read 48 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: the other lines? Is that going to help you? What 49 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: do you want me to read the other lines? 50 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 5: No? 51 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: Okay? Well, how did mom do the auditions while while 52 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: I was gone? Because you had like, I'm not doing that? 53 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: You were gone for so long? No? No, why didn't 54 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: I go? Well, I was, I was working. We wouldn't 55 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: have been able to hang. 56 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 4: Out doing the podcast about the girl? 57 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was your friend? Yeah, well her sister was. 58 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: What happened? 59 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 6: Well, that's that's what I'm trying to figure out. 60 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 4: Your friend a sister? 61 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: What's your name? 62 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 7: Did I meet her? 63 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 5: No? 64 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: I mean I think there was one fourth of July 65 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: that she might have been. I don't remember. 66 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 4: She died? 67 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? Wow, uh she was you know, she was a 68 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: very unhappy. Can we get back to this. She was 69 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: just a very unhappy person. 70 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 4: She killed herself. 71 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. 72 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you never knew what happened to her sister. 73 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: No, that's that's while I was gone for those two weeks. 74 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: I'm trying to look into this. But come on, can 75 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: we just focus on this and do. 76 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 4: This Why did you stop? 77 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: It's complicated, buddy. There are lots of people who don't 78 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: want me doing this. 79 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 4: Are they bad people? 80 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 8: Well? 81 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: I think so. You know, there's just I don't know. 82 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: There's so many reasons, Dad. You should help. 83 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 4: You have to help, that's the right thing. 84 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: After this conversation, I couldn't decide if Indy was being 85 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: naive or brave. I mean, he was definitely coming from 86 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: a place of innocence, but there's different meanings there. Right, 87 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: you can be innocent as in foolish immature, or you 88 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: can be innocent as in pure and honest, not corrupted 89 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: by cynicism, by a world where powerful people get to 90 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: do what they want and ignore questions. He was right, 91 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: I should help, but I didn't know what that meant anymore. 92 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: I am actor and filmmaker, right strong, This is the 93 00:04:35,040 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: red weather way to take someone's tragedy and make it 94 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: all about you. Writer. Now that it was public that 95 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: this podcast was happening, social media posts and comments weighed in, 96 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: Oh this is my favorite. This is a vanity project 97 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: of a washed up child actor. I knew my wife 98 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: was right, but I couldn't help but think there might 99 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: be something useful in here since none of the podcast 100 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: was released, though most of the comments were just about 101 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: the irresponsibility of true crime and personal attacks on me, 102 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: which hurt, of course, but I tried to put my 103 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: own feelings aside and be optimistic. Maybe, just maybe the 104 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: attention might help. Now that it was public, someone might 105 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: come forward with information or want to get involved. But 106 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: now it had the opposite effect. This is strong. 107 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 5: My name is Jury Dunenfeld. 108 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 6: I am an attorney with Warren Tolan and Shapiro. You 109 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 6: should have received a letter from my office. Use certified mail. 110 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: I had. From the letter, your podcast appears poised to 111 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: make unfounded and damaging claims about our client that would 112 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: be Mick. Such claims, if broadcast, may constitute defamation under 113 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: current statute. Basically a cease and assist. All in all, 114 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: it felt like the universe was telling me to sit 115 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: down and shut up. I had been shut out of 116 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: any official reopening of the case, assuming there was one 117 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: by Grace Laughlin, the current Sonoma County Sheriff. Please record 118 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: your message. 119 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 5: When you have finished recording, you may hang up. 120 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: Hi. 121 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: Sheriff Maldonado. It's writer and Sheriff Maldonado, who led the 122 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: case in nineteen ninety five, also wasn't returning my calls. 123 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: I am still making the podcast, and I wanted you 124 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: to know, for me to hear it directly that I 125 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: have been in touch with Monica Tremblaine a few times. 126 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: But you know, I'm working on my own here. I'm 127 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: making progress. I felt compelled to distance myself for Monica 128 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: because she had decided to publish information about contributions to 129 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: Maldonado's nineteen ninety six campaign for sheriff. In my opinion, prematurely. 130 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: It's not like I stopped them or anything. The most 131 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: that I can do as a citizen is file a 132 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 3: damn for your report. 133 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: And that's what you did. That's how you that's you 134 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: already did that. Yeah, so we could get the full 135 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: campaign records. 136 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not about anything legal or an investigation into 137 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 3: the Sheriff's department. That's that's up to the attorney general. 138 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, No, I just you know I started out, 139 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm trying to make a podcast. I'm trying to solve 140 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: this thing, and I feel like, uh, we were getting 141 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: somewhere with them with their help, Hi. 142 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: Writer, if they really cared about Anna and if they 143 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 3: wanted to solve this cold case, they would have welcomed 144 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 3: the transparency, wouldn't they want to know where shit went wrong. 145 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: It was still hard for me to believe that Maldonado 146 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: in particular would go from helping me as much as 147 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: he did to completely ignoring me. 148 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 3: They should be like opening up their doors to you, 149 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 3: to us, but instead, the minute that you brought up 150 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 3: Mick Bowden, a multi millionaire, sound up a multimillionaire. 151 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: Guess what they did. They turned on you. That was true. 152 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: Mick could become the main person of interest in Anna's 153 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: disappearance because of the mixtape. 154 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 5: So. 155 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 4: Of course I didn't keep my day when they. 156 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: Had a fit. 157 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 8: Scin Kid was ten years old and the name came 158 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 8: in alongside the tracks so called. 159 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: The tape had songs movie clips from Wild at Heart 160 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: and bad Lands, and then Anna talked directly to Mick, 161 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: he can do it. I can do it. 162 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: You're my sailor, You're my real life nickey because you 163 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: are so cool. 164 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: It was so intimate and implied a connection between the 165 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: two of them that was powerful, secretive, romantic, which is 166 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: never how I thought about them. I started this podcast 167 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: thinking Mick was against Anna, that he had this revenge 168 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: porn plan that got derailed that night by me and 169 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: my friends, that he was driven by jealousy and possessiveness. 170 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: But hearing the tape, I had to consider that he 171 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: and Anna were actually really in love and maybe that 172 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: motivated him. Maybe his parents didn't want him to be 173 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: with her. Maybe he was dating this new girl but 174 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: had gotten back together with Anna and didn't know what 175 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: to do. Was Anna like really into art? No, I 176 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: don't think so. 177 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 6: I have no memory of that. 178 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: I checked in with my buddy Chris, who had started 179 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: this podcast with me. I didn't think so either. But 180 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: it's really weird because on the tape she keeps talking 181 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: about Van Go. 182 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 6: I don't know, dude. 183 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 7: Here's the more important question, how's the feature coming? 184 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: Don't ask? I had been hired to write a horror 185 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: script for a production company out of Austin, and at 186 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: this point my draft was weeks behind. Luckily, Chris thought 187 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: he could help buy me some time. 188 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 6: Well, I'll call David. I'll call David. 189 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: David was Chris's agent who had actually introduced me to 190 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: the producers in the first place. 191 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 7: He reps those guys at least Stephen from Gearhyes, oh my. 192 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: God, Yes do you think do you think David could 193 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: hold them off? 194 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 6: Yeah? 195 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 7: I think you need to get your ass writing. But yes, 196 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 7: if David comes at them with writers going through it, 197 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:47,599 Speaker 7: he's going through trauma, his old friend killed herself, trauma, trauma, trauma. 198 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 6: They'll catch you some slack. Yeah, I'm him. I'll call her. 199 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: God, thank you, thank you so much. 200 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 6: Man. 201 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 7: You're a tortured artist and that's why they want you 202 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 7: to write their script and not some hack. 203 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 6: But enough with the torture. 204 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: You don't need any more to on your torture plate. 205 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: My wife couldn't agree more. Nope, can't hear that again. 206 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: She put a moratorium on listening to Anna's mix. But 207 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: it's not bad music, to the point, I don't need 208 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: to hear it over and over again. It's not like 209 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: the four hundred and fifty fourth time you're going to 210 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: hear something new. I still wanted to know what Anna 211 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: was talking about on the tape, so why don't you 212 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: write down what she says? It was actually a good idea. 213 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: I found software that transcribed everything, including the lyrics to 214 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: all the songs. I now had a full text file, 215 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: a readable and searchable version of the tape. I wanted 216 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: to read the song lyrics. I kept thinking Anna chose 217 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: these songs for a reason, which is a big assumption. 218 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: I know some people don't care about lyrics at all. 219 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what a song is sane, if it's 220 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: got a groove, that's the way alex is. Hold on, 221 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: just listen to this one song because I think this 222 00:11:59,280 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: one's important. 223 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 8: Where myself go Nope, nope, not into it? 224 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: Okay, fine, but what is it about? 225 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 5: I don't care. 226 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: I can't get past the music. But I knew she 227 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: liked pearl Jam, which Anna had included. She put Daughter 228 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: on here by Pearl Jam. You like that song? I do, Okay, 229 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: what's it about? 230 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 2: Okay? 231 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 8: Well my interpretation and you know, stay with me here. 232 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: I think it's about a daughter. But I couldn't help it. 233 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: I kept thinking of the mix as a direct expression 234 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: from Anna, like her own soundtrack, the musical of her life. 235 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: So like, did she listen to Daughter and think of 236 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: her mom? Laney? I know That's how I thought of 237 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: music when I was a teenager, especially if I made 238 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: a mix for someone. If I included a song, it 239 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: was because it expressed something I wanted to say to them, 240 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: or wanted them to understand about my life. I was 241 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: locked into being my mother's daughter. I was just eating 242 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 1: bread and water. I read the lyrics to Annie DeFranco's 243 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: song out of Range to Alex, thinking nothing ever changes, 244 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: and I was shocked to see the mistakes of each 245 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: generation will just fade like a radio station if you 246 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: drive out of range. She just doesn't want to become 247 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: her mom exactly, and she wants she has to get 248 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: away from her would I mean, but it's so ironic 249 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: because Anna's mom is part of this progressive group of 250 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: women living out in the woods, and yet here she 251 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: is listening to this song about an abusive relationship and escaping. 252 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: All of that is total speculation. And like my wife, 253 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: you might think I was getting a little obsessive. What fuck? 254 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: I said, a new schedule of waking up at five 255 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: am to get some work done before I took Indy 256 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: to school. I drag myself out of bed, make a 257 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: pot of green tea, and sit at my computer try 258 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: to only think about what I had to write. Inevitably, 259 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: I would find myself with my headphones on listening to 260 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:09,599 Speaker 1: the mix. As it turned out, one morning around six am. 261 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: Maybe it was the four hundred and fifty fourth time 262 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: I did find something. Okay, I was reading along while 263 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: listening and there's this section. 264 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 2: Get used to it because I'm picking all the music. 265 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: In Operation van Go. I'm gonna make you camp. 266 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: You're gonna hate it. 267 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: Did you hear that I'm gonna make you camp? And 268 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: she called it Operation van Go, Like van Go wasn't 269 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: about the artist, but a code name for something, and 270 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: then it clicked. The movie clips she included bad Lands, 271 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: Wild at Heart. These were movies where two lovers got 272 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: into a car and ran away. All this van Go 273 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: stuff wasn't about the artists. It's literally the words themselves. 274 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: It's a code operation to go, maybe maybe even get 275 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: in a van and go. The mixtape was evidence Anna 276 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: did want to run away, that she and Mick were 277 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: planning some of great escape, which meant it was time 278 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: for me to confront one of the most confounding aspects 279 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: of Anna's disappearance, the Kelty parking lot. This is why 280 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: he kept a secret. I called Monica that day. It's 281 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: literally a tape where she's talking about her and Mick 282 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: running off together. The theory is she paged him. He 283 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: picked her up that night, Yes, and they start Operation Mago. 284 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: But then something was wrong, or maybe she didn't even 285 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: want to leave in the first place. He could have 286 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: backed out, yes, and things turned violent or I mean, 287 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: actually maybe not. Maybe they just split up and she 288 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: really did run off and he brought her to her 289 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: car and then she just drove herself took a Keelty wall. 290 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: For all these years, the clearest indication that Anna had 291 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: run away has been the fact that her car, technically 292 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: her mom's car, but the one she used, was found 293 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: in a parking lot near the San Francisco Airport. Anna 294 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: or someone had driven the car to the Keelty parking 295 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: lot on Franklin Avenue, only a few miles from SFO, 296 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: to fly away, or if someone had murdered her to 297 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: make it look like she had flown away. There was 298 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: no plane ticket bought under Anna's name, no flight record, 299 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: but in nineteen ninety five, domestic flights rarely checked ideas 300 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: buying a plane ticket in cash under a pseudonym was 301 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: entirely possible. I have some problems here, as usual. Monica 302 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: didn't hold back. 303 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 3: First of all, if Nick didn't murder her and he 304 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 3: just decided not to go run away with her, why 305 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 3: not just say that, why not come forward to that, 306 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: you know? And then if he does murder her, that 307 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: means number one, he's got to hide his body well 308 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: enough then nobody ever finds it. Number Two, he's got 309 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: the car to the parking lot and then get back 310 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: in time not to miss school the next day. 311 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: But how do we know that he was in school? Well, 312 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he was ever marked absent. 313 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 3: But to be honest, I don't even know if the 314 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 3: records were ever checked because because she said that. 315 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: He was with her, but she could have easily changed 316 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: her story to cover for him, which the witness logs 317 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: made a strong case for. Plus, if Mick had bought 318 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: her that new car, she registered the Jetta only a 319 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: couple weeks later. 320 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: Her parents said that he was at the house in 321 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 3: the morning, So that means that he's now not only 322 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 3: bought her silence and help, but also her parents. 323 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: I just don't Yeah, no, that's too much. That's even 324 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: if you don't really want to be recorded, I'd really 325 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: love to talk. For the millionth time I tried to 326 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: reach Anna and Willow's mom, Laney, I was worried what 327 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: she might think now that the word was out publicly. 328 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: I'd like to explain what I've been doing, because the 329 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: stuff that's online right now is definitely not the whole story. 330 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: And Laney's car, the car that Anna drove in nineteen 331 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: ninety five was a nineteen eighty eight Toyota Ursoll Tudor white. 332 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: My brother and everyone remembered. Anna and Willow called it Tony. Yeah, 333 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: stick shift, I had like a beige interior. I remember. 334 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: Tony wasn't found until December second after it was logged 335 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: at the impound lot. When Maldonado and his team caught 336 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: up with it, all they could do was search the 337 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: car well, no signs of a struggle. Maldonado went over 338 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: the car evidence with me the first time we sat 339 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: down back when he was still talking with me. No notes, 340 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: no blood. All we can do is bag what was 341 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: inside that I had seen in the case file. You 342 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: tell me what you want to see and I can 343 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: go pull it from the lockers, bring it out here, 344 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: long sleeve shirt, sandals, size six. The more important and 345 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: more puzzling aspect of the car was when it had 346 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: been parked. Understanding that was critical to confirm and mixed story. 347 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 3: I mean, but there's no way he could have done 348 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 3: all of this that night. 349 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: The San Francisco Airport is at least an eighty minute 350 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: drive from Sebastopol, Right, But you're assuming that the car 351 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: definitely showed up at the Keelty lot on November first. Oh, 352 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: you mean the pay through confusion. The car had been 353 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 1: towed from the Keelty lot, where its fees had gone unpaid. 354 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: That lot offered twenty four hours of parking for seven dollars, 355 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: which side note that's mind bockling. Nowadays, the cheapest rate 356 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: for twenty four hours is like forty five. Keelty was 357 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: one of those off site parking companies. It was Bear Bones, 358 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: just a lot. They had six lots, three by SFO 359 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: and three by the Oakland Airport. The Franklin Avenue lot 360 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: was uncovered with barely any infrastructure. They didn't have cameras 361 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: or anything. 362 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 6: Nope, no kidding. They didn't even have auto stamp tickets and. 363 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: The cashier was only on site between the hours of 364 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: six am and eight pm. In off duty hours, a 365 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,959 Speaker 1: person would fill out a self pay envelope and slide 366 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: it into one of those metal lock boxes. They had 367 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: two employees in the days after Halloween. Those guys also 368 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: had shifts, and neither one of them checked the car ready, 369 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: meaning Tony arrived after hours. To figure out when the 370 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: car was parked, don Ado and his team could only 371 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: work backwards from when it arrived at the impound lot. Well, 372 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: they'd to any car after ten days in paid, but 373 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: they did all their Tony at the end of the month, 374 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: so all they had was the self pay envelope, and 375 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: unfortunately that envelope was marked in a maddening way. There 376 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: was a date eleven four written in black ink, and 377 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: then three days written in blue Kelty. Attendants said they'd 378 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: often write a notation on the envelope based on the 379 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: information and the cash given, but no one claimed either 380 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: the three days or the November four handwriting as their own. 381 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: Can you explain the paid through thing super carefully? Just 382 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: so we had yet here. 383 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 3: Well, the initial assumption was that someone paid for three 384 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: days and the eleven four was a date of expiration 385 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 3: written down by an attendant, So Tony. 386 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: Showed up early morning November first. 387 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 8: But then, and this is really getting into the weeds. 388 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 3: There is a good chance that whoever filled out the 389 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 3: envelope put the date they pulled in rather than the 390 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 3: date they paid through. 391 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: This was a common occurrence, as Monica reported in The 392 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: Press Democrat at the time, Kelty employees estimated that about 393 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: quote a quarter of their customers misunderstood the instructions and 394 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: would put the date of entry, allowing the amount of 395 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: money inside to indicate when they were paid through. So right, 396 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: the person could have meant it at a way which 397 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: narrow is the likely window of Tony pulling into the 398 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: lock to November first before six am, within eight hours 399 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: of Anna last being seen, or sometime during the after 400 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: hours of November fourth, twelve am to six am or 401 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: eight pm to eleven to fifty nine pm. Nick is 402 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: accounted for at both those times. 403 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 6: November one, he's with our parents allegedly, sure. 404 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, allegedly. 405 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 3: November four, he's interviewed by Malbonado in the morning, and. 406 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: He joined the search party for Anna that afternoon. Bottom line, 407 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: there was no time for him to be driving to 408 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: San Francisco. It seemed like a dead end. Everything seemed 409 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: like a dead end. And then I saw that Mick 410 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: posted something on x It was an announcement for an event, 411 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: a panel. It was called Breaking Through AI and the 412 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: Future of Online Advertising, and in the list of featured 413 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: panelists Mick Bowden from Jaylight Industries. He was going to 414 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: be at the LA Convention Center in two days. 415 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 6: Okay, please don't do anything. 416 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: But it's open to the public. All I have to 417 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: do is buy a ticket. And I think if he 418 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: sees me in person, he can't avoid it anymore. 419 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 6: Wait, and then he's just gonna have his bodyguards. 420 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 2: Stop you. 421 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: You think he has bodyguards. I don't know how rich 422 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: is he. It's pretty rich, right, So either way, he 423 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: could sue you. 424 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 8: You can put you can ask to go to a 425 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 8: retraining order against you. 426 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: I knew what Monica would do. If you're not gonna 427 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 1: go for this, then what are we doing? She'd go 428 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: and confront him, just like she wanted me to confront 429 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: Lachland and Greer. Plus, I was still thinking about my 430 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: conversation with Indy DBT. You should help, you love to help. 431 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: For the sake of my mental health, my family, and 432 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: my actual career, I needed to take a break from 433 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: and a trainer. I tried to move on, I really did, 434 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: but then I went to see the producers of the film. 435 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: I was supposed to be writing the ones that Chris 436 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: helped me hold off. They wanted to have a drinks meeting, 437 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: a chance to assure them that I was almost done 438 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: with the script, that in reality I had maybe thirty 439 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: pages written. Like a lot of LA meetings, I had 440 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: to drive all the way to Beverly Hills and pay 441 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: for parking, which usually means of ballet. I pulled up, 442 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: left my car out front, and didn't think twice, okay, okay, 443 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: I want. When I got home that night, Alex was 444 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: on the couch watching TV. Can you can you come off? Okay? 445 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 7: So you're what did they say? 446 00:23:59,240 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 5: Oh? 447 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I wasn't the meeting It was fine, 448 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: It was fine. Luckily the producers barely talked about the script. 449 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: We got off on a tangent about Lord of the 450 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: Rings that took up most of the time. It was 451 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: the valet parking. When I came out to get my car, 452 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: I saw the posted pricing. It was twenty four dollars, which, 453 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: as suspected, is insanely high. But also I wondered why 454 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: twenty four dollars? Why not twenty even or twenty five? 455 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: They wouldn't take a credit card, right, okay, but they 456 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: charged twenty four dollars, so what do you have. 457 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 6: To do give them twenty four dollars. 458 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: No, if you don't have any ones, you give them 459 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: two twenties and they have to give you change. As 460 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: I watched the guy counting out my change, it occurred 461 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: to me this pricing was probably intentional because if they 462 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: charged his twenty they wouldn't give any change. But by 463 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: charging twenty four dollars, then you have somebody having to 464 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: count out, and you're dealing with with ones and fives 465 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: and tens, so it makes a tip more likely, right, yep, okay, 466 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: which reminded me of the Celti lot where Anna's car 467 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: was found, and they're pricing of seven dollars a day. 468 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: They intentionally picked an uneven number, which is the sell 469 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: so the self pay envelope where Anna's car was found. 470 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, we're never getting back to normal life. 471 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 8: Lally. 472 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: When I woke up at five the next morning, the 473 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: day of the breaking through panel, I didn't make tea 474 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: and I didn't go to my computer to write. Instead, 475 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: I loaded up my mics, my gear, and I got 476 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: my car because mixed Alibi was no longer solid all right. 477 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: I am parked on the street across from the LA 478 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: Convention Center. It was still dark out. I had found 479 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: a loading zone. Here's my thinking, which I ran by 480 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: Monica from my car. We have no idea how much 481 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: money was in the envelope, right, no, all right, but 482 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: we know that Kelty can say they're unpaid for ten 483 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: days at least by the end of November. So three 484 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: days would be twenty one dollars. But what happens if 485 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: you only have a twenty. You put in the twenty. 486 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: You might write three days, hoping you'd have to write amount, 487 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: but then realize you only have a twenty, and maybe 488 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: you don't change what you wrote. You're hoping they let 489 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: that one dollar slide and they give you the third day. 490 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: But they don't. They find your envelope, they count your money. 491 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: They mark down the expiration based on what you paid 492 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: two days, which means the person who park in his 493 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: car could have pulled in on November second, a day 494 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: Mick is unaccounted for. Okay, a couple of subs just 495 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: pulled up there go see uh Mick, Mick, Mick, Mick, No, no, sorry, 496 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: I know. If there actually was a guy who looked 497 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: like a bodyguard a Mick's It's right or strong from Sebastopol. 498 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: I felt horrible. I felt like paparazzi, like TMZ, just 499 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: the worst kind of gotcha journalism. But I had to 500 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: remind myself I wasn't chasing down a Kardashian. And Mick 501 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: heard me. He couldn't avoid it. Couldn't you talk to you? 502 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: And I'm just trying to find out what happened to Anna. 503 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm not accusing you or of course, because that's bullshit. Okay, fine, 504 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: if it is, then you have nothing to hide, right. Hey, look, 505 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: I was Willow's best friend. Man, she never knew what 506 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 1: happened to her sister. That's not my problem. Okay, Well, hey, 507 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: what was Operation Dan go. 508 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 8: Ju? 509 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: Yes? Look no, look I had to tape and so 510 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: did the cocks, So I know that you and Anna 511 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: were planning something. 512 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 6: Shit. 513 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: Wait, let's talk about it, you know, let's let's sit down. 514 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: Just stop stop. We are not doing this. 515 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 5: Like this, Julie, please, okay, if you want to talk, 516 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 5: you want to talk like a fucking person. 517 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: Manda Man, great, happy to thank you, figured, thank you. 518 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: I strongly suggest you consult with your net less legal council. 519 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: He said, yes, it looks like it. The woman Nick 520 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: put me in touch with Julie set up a time 521 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: for an interview. Oh my god, though it was it 522 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: was truly truly horrible. It was just the worst. Like 523 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: nobody would even look me in the eye. It was like, 524 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just the most annoying little like a 525 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: like a journalist. Yeah, I mean I. 526 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 6: Remember your brother Shiloh was cool. 527 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Mick met me at one of those generic rental offices. 528 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: We work kind of space. 529 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 5: You know, and you don't looking to care about the 530 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 5: people from back then. 531 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: That's that actually want another truth. 532 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 6: That's the whole reason I wanted to do this. Oh, 533 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 6: Julie is also recording this. 534 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: Are you gonna okay? Yeah? Cool? 535 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 2: Are you a lawyer? 536 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 6: No? 537 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 5: No, what do you think this is like some that 538 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 5: position I'm in public relations for Jlight. 539 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: I set aside about fifteen minutes for this. 540 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 2: I might just interject, Okay, that's on schedule. 541 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 5: This is going to record because we knew that this 542 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 5: and make it sound like I said something I never said. 543 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 6: I got my own coffee, fair enough, fair enough. 544 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: Julie had her phone with a mic attached. I suddenly 545 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: wished I had someone with me too. I felt outnumbered. 546 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: Let's just start with some basic questions. But Mick wasn't playing. 547 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 6: There was no case. 548 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: Back then, There's no case now sure, but I guess, well, well, 549 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: do you remember seeing me that night? 550 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 6: Yes, of course, yes, you and her sister. 551 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: Right, Willow. And there was Chris de Lectio, Ryan Connor, 552 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: guy in the Phantom mask, right, yeah, he Phantom of 553 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: the Coffee Shopper. 554 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 5: Who came at me with a bat. Chris swung in 555 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 5: my head took out my head light. 556 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: Did we hit his car? Yeah? Yeah, I think I 557 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: think that's right. I went back and checked with Connor 558 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: and Chris. Now Willow told us that he had the 559 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: your tape, right or did you just tell us to 560 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: like damage his car? Man? I don't. I don't remember 561 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: at all, honestly. 562 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 6: I mean that's pretty simple, soul. 563 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: Well, okay, but what I remember is that we were trying. 564 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 6: To get you. Remember, those are the facts. That's what happened. 565 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,719 Speaker 6: Came at me with a bat, took up my head light. 566 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we were just trying to get into 567 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: your car, so we weren't attacking you by any means. 568 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: You were we were just trying to distract you. Okay, okay, 569 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: let's uh, let's talk about the party that earlier. That night, 570 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: you got into a fight with Anna. Multiple people have 571 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: said that you guys were screaming at each other. So 572 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: what were you fighting about? 573 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 5: As I told the cops back then, I do not 574 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 5: remember what the fight was about specifically. 575 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 6: I do remember that she had been drinking a lot, 576 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 6: which was a little common. 577 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 5: I am not here to disparage Anna in any way. 578 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: Even though she dumbed you dumb me, Yeah, I mean 579 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: she was like she moved on. You know, she was 580 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: sleeping around, She partied at the Earth. 581 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 6: Remember that that had nothing to do with me. 582 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: And you know, she had a reputation. Everybody knew what 583 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: she was doing. And yet here you are. When she 584 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: pages you, you're come and running right get let me. 585 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 5: I was empathetic to hers that she was sure, Okay, 586 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 5: she was in a tough spot. She did not have 587 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 5: a father figure in her life. She was living with 588 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 5: those feminazis. So yes, when she needed help, I would 589 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 5: go out of my way to his. 590 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: Sister, okay, because he loved her. 591 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 5: I don't know what that even means. You know, when 592 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 5: you're eighteen. 593 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: You don't know what love means. 594 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 6: I had a girlfriend at the time, yes, right. 595 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: But you didn't say that at the time. You didn't 596 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: call her your girlfriend. That's not what you said. Yeah, 597 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: I can show you the transcript, okay, because this is 598 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: this is actually kind of important. You were interviewed by 599 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: Maldonado and he asked you, is she your girlfriend? And 600 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: you said no, no, this is this is from the 601 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: transcript from the Sheriff's department. And then she asks or 602 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: he asks you, is she hot? You're like, not even 603 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: not even hot? And then like why did you go 604 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: to her house? And you're like, oh, she was there, right, 605 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: that's what you said at the time. What does this 606 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: have to do with anything? 607 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 6: Well, you tell me, man, like, is this like some 608 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 6: me too stuff? 609 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god, no. 610 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 6: Yes, I think I think we're done here. 611 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, So what did you do that night? 612 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: Just tell me what you did? 613 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 3: What happened? 614 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: What's your version? 615 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 6: I got a page. 616 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I went to pick up Anna to help her again, 617 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 5: she wasn't. 618 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: There, and I left, And then you went to your house, yes, 619 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: and then I went to not your girlfriend? And you 620 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: don't even think is hot? Okay, and then two weeks later, 621 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: she registers a new car. Did you buy her a 622 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: new car? 623 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 5: You think I bought a girl a car when I 624 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 5: was eighteen? 625 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: Well, listen, I got the tape from her. Okay, you 626 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: know about this tape. It's the tape that Anna made 627 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: for you. 628 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 6: Okay, No, yeah, no, sorry, man, No, that's backwards. 629 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: Okay, you had that completely, but you know what I'm 630 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: talking about. 631 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 5: I found that tape in my car when Anna left 632 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 5: it with a bunch of her books and crap. And 633 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 5: when I heard it, that's when I knew she was 634 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 5: banging some older guy that takes not to me. 635 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: She says your name, No, she does this, She yes 636 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: my name, Yes she does, she says mickey. 637 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 5: Okay, first of all, if someone called me mickey, they 638 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 5: weren't doing it twice. 639 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: All right, let's listen. I have it, I have it. 640 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: I want to I want to play this for you. 641 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: I had my computer with me and I played in 642 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: the clip. 643 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 5: Do it? 644 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: You're my sailor you're yours. 645 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 6: You're such an idiot. Okay, did you listen to the 646 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 6: whole tape? 647 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: Did you listen to it all? Because what she's no idea? 648 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,479 Speaker 1: How many times I've listened. 649 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 5: Okay, she's using movie quotes throughout the entire thing. 650 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: Okay, so from what True Romance? There's Killers, the killer movie. 651 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 5: Natural Born Killers, right, Mickey, natural Born Killers. 652 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: I suddenly knew what he was talking about. Mickey and 653 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: Mallory Knox from Natural Born Killers, the Oliver Stone movie. 654 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: She wasn't saying his name. It was a mashup of 655 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: quotes and characters. Sailor was from Wild at Heart, Mickey 656 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: from Natural Born Killers, and You're So Cool was from 657 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: True Romance, all movies about passionate, doomed lovers were running 658 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: off together and becoming criminals hitting the road. He really, 659 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: Oh this is great. Now, I'm glad I came and 660 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 1: did this. 661 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 5: Look at you, you're freaking moron. 662 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: Okay, it's not to me. It's some guys. She even 663 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: says they're not the same age. 664 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 5: I always said that she made that take for somebody else, 665 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 5: an older guy. 666 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know who he is. I told him 667 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: to look at the call leaders, the teachers. There was 668 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: that one freak, that creep of Jacob who ran that 669 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: senior name. I feel like we said, they just keep 670 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: talking to me. 671 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 5: You went I'm sorry, You're just we're done, right, We're done, 672 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 5: We're done, all right, Julie. 673 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: Come on, was it really not to Mick? 674 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 2: You said this thing last week? Said, oh, I'm glad 675 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 2: you're sixteen at least, because I know it's because you 676 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 2: just like want me to drive. But then it also 677 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 2: can't be true that age doesn't matter, which, by the way, 678 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 2: you say. 679 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: It all the time, how would I miss this my 680 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: big move, finding Mick in front of him? It was 681 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: a complete waste. I did finally feel like a journalist, 682 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: and I guess that means feeling alone, inconvenient and feeling 683 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: like everyone, the law and the public are against you. 684 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: But finally there was an upside to the podcast being 685 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: public writer. 686 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 8: It's leany trainor I wasn't to be honest, I didn't. 687 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: Want to call you back. Huh. 688 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 6: It's been I don't. 689 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 8: Know, it's been years, decades, But it feels like nothing 690 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 8: when when something like this for me, this is yesterday, 691 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 8: You know, this is yesterday. I had Willow and Anna 692 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 8: and yesterday I was kicked out of Maldonano's fucking office. 693 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: You know that. They called me hysterical? Did you know that? 694 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 8: And then years years trying to get them, anybody to 695 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 8: listen to me. So when Monica put out that story, yes, yes, yes, yes, 696 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 8: this is what I have been saying all along. 697 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: They didn't want to do. 698 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 6: Their jobs, they didn't want to find her. They just 699 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 6: wanted it to go away. 700 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 8: Anyways, I called Monica to thanker, and she said that 701 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 8: I should talk to you, and that even if I 702 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 8: didn't want to. 703 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: Be recorded, that I should talk to you. 704 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 6: So here I am calling. 705 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 8: I'm in Colorado. I don't want to send anything through 706 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 8: the mail. 707 00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 6: I'm not sending. 708 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 8: Anything through the mail, but I have things. 709 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 6: I have lots to show you, things you need to see. Okay, 710 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 6: call me back, and I don't know. 711 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: I had to go to Colorado. The Red Weather is 712 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: an iHeart podcast hosted by writer Straw, sound engineering, editing 713 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: and mixing by Bou milkis produced by Tess Bartholomey. Executive 714 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,240 Speaker 1: producers at iHeartRadio Trevor Young and Matt Frederick, Associate producer 715 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: Bo milkis original score by Kyle Morton. If you're enjoying 716 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,439 Speaker 1: the show, please remember to leave a review in rating. 717 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.