1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: Tommy de Dario. My guest today is the very brilliant 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Tyler James Williams, who is one of those actors who 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: has the gift of saying so much without saying anything 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: at all. My man has earned a critical acclaim for 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: his starring role as Gregory on Abbot Elementary Now. I 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: describe Abbot as a show that gives a gentle hug 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: to the world at a time when people just want 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: to feel comforted, and Gregory is a character that does 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: just that, all while providing so many laughs and so 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: many smiles. We are halfway through season five and Tyler 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: is sitting down with me to reflect on his own journey. 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: We are learning so much more about the man who 14 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: has been bringing you joy for so many years. Let's 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: see if today we can get Tyler to say something 16 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: that he has never said before. Tyler James Williams, how 17 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: are you, my man? 18 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: I'm good? How are you? 19 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: I am good? Do you always walk around looking this fly? 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: I tried to most of my time going to and 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: from set and sweatpants. Whenever I'm not doing that, I 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: try to give the people something. 23 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to feel good. Yeah, you want to 24 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: feel I see you on the carpets, man, you're always 25 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: trying some pose, wearing something first. 26 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: Thank you. 27 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 28 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: Man, It's another one of those things where it's like, 29 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: when I'm not in Gregory Eddie, it's nice to put 30 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 2: something else on and then feel it flow and and 31 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: enjoy the night and that. 32 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, rock on, man, you're doing it. You're doing it. Like, 33 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: we have a lot to get into today. I think 34 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: you were one of these artists that brings so much 35 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: joy to so many people, and you've been doing it 36 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: for years and we have a lot to celebrate. But 37 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: we're going to start by maybe the most pressing question 38 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: of your entire career. Okay, what do you really think 39 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: about warm fruit? 40 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: Really? In the right situations. I'm for it. We do 41 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: overuse it sometimes, we definitely do too much. We sometimes 42 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: do too much. I love a pie. I love a 43 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: really great pie, but there's sometimes the feelings I'm not 44 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: like the other day I saw like strawberry pie is 45 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: a thing, and I'm like, I don't think that that 46 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: one was supposed to be warmed. I don't think we 47 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 2: were here for that. I'm also like a lot of 48 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: the berries. I'm not with it. No, I'm not. I'm 49 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: not with it. But an apple, I'm having a great 50 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: time a cherry even. Hey, we're having a good time. Okay. 51 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: But we can stop there, all right, we can stop right. 52 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: I feel that I feel that I'm not. I'm not 53 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: totally sure how I feel. But that's one of the 54 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: many hang ups that your character Gregory has. 55 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: No are you possibly Gregory alined in this? 56 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I love warm fry. Oh really, 57 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: I love warm fruit. 58 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: Huh. 59 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go with the solid. No, okay, a 60 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 1: solid now. 61 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: All right, So it was for you, That line is 62 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: for you, I felt. 63 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: I felt very If you have a line coming up 64 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: in any of the seasons about condiments, I have a 65 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: very hard no about condiments. No, No, we don't do condiment. 66 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: My brother is like that. I don't get that, and 67 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: I've never understood it. He's always eaten like a dry hamburger, 68 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: and I thought, yeah, when he was a child like that, 69 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: like a like you might die. I thought like it 70 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 2: was like a hazard, or you could throw a piece 71 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: of cheese on it. But a condiment, I don't get it. 72 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: It covers up the food is intended to taste like 73 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: I just don't get to catch up. Ooh for the 74 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: worst mustard. Oh no, no, no, not even like a 75 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: deli must No. Wow. 76 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: I know I have a few hang ups like your 77 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: character has. Okay, so I can't respect it, I can relate. 78 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: What do you think is your biggest hang up in 79 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 1: relation to to Gregor of your on your own? 80 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: Well, with Gregory, for sure, I mean his inability to 81 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: be comfortable. I need him to work on that a 82 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: little bit because I can feel it in my body. Yeah, 83 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: his inability to be comfortable in any given situation. I 84 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: feel like it's very foreign to me in a way. 85 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: I think I've been doing this for so long. I've 86 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: kind of learned to create my own comfortable space. And 87 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: it serves your stress level, well, it serves your life well, 88 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: he needs that at the very least. 89 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting, while you created something that just entertains us 90 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: and entertains this beyond. It's so much fun. But of 91 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: course you broke onto the scene with everybody hits Christ right, 92 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: and it's very hard to go from being a child 93 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: actor to an adult actor. Not everybody can do that seamlessly, 94 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: and it takes a certain skill set, right, and you've 95 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: mentioned that surviving the transition from child actor to adult 96 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: actor means starting over, So mentally, how do you start over? 97 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 2: It's one of those quotes that you see on a 98 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 2: tile on somebody's Instagram story and you're like, okay, whatever, 99 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: But it's actually in this situation true where it's like 100 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: respect and success is not something that carries over. It's 101 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: earned like rent. Every day it's due. And I think 102 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: as a child actor a lot of the beginning of 103 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: your career can be predicated upon you were a cute kid. 104 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 2: It can be if that's what your situation was. I 105 00:04:54,920 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: think once you turn eighteen, especially when I did, actors 106 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: become very good at their jobs. And you're now competing 107 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: with people who do this full time. This isn't a 108 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 2: game for them. And I think approaching it as a 109 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: brand new artist let you know how hard you need 110 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: to work and where it needs to come from. I 111 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: think what can inhibit a lot of child actors is, well, 112 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: this thing I was doing before worked, so why would 113 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 2: I change it? But it's like, but the game is 114 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: completely different now. That's I think the industry changes every 115 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: five years anyway, So if you don't approach it as 116 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: a new individual career and try to rest on the 117 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 2: laurels of what you did previously, that's the first step 118 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:39,559 Speaker 2: to get caught in the trap. 119 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: Oh wow, that makes sense. So is there anything that 120 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: you had to unlearn from being a child actor in 121 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: order to step into a career as an adult. 122 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: I had to unlearn the idea that there's a right 123 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: way to do it. 124 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: Huh. 125 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 2: I think as a child, you're trying to please these 126 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: people and you wanted to have somebody say good job, 127 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: and you did it right. And I think I learned 128 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: how to look for that in directors and producers and 129 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: writers of like, did I do it right? But being 130 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: an artist is different. There isn't necessarily a right way 131 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: to do it. Sometimes the answer to a scene or 132 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: a take or an intention is the complete wrong decision 133 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 2: that anybody else would make. And I had to learn 134 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: how to give myself the freedom to play and not 135 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: do it the right way, because as long as I'd 136 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 2: picked the correct choice, all of my reads were going 137 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: to be safe, all of the projects I took were 138 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: going to be really safe, and I was going to 139 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: probably stall out with that safety. Yeah, I think that 140 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: that would be it more than anything. 141 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: Do you have more confidence than versus now? Or do 142 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: you have to find that confidence again because you feel 143 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: like as a child do you care less what people think? 144 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: Oh? No, I feel like you care more as a child. 145 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: Every approval is everything to you. I have more confid 146 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 2: is now. And I say this a lot to people. 147 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 2: When somebody doesn't have confidence in themselves, trust them on that. 148 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: That means that they haven't built the argument to themselves 149 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: yet to be confident. I think we tell people that 150 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: you should just be more confident. You should slowly, little 151 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: by little, build the argument to yourself so that you 152 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: are And I think by taking those risks and not 153 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: always looking for the right choice and something, I little 154 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: by little built that confidence. But it takes swings. It 155 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: takes sometimes swinging and missing. Yeah, but you learn to 156 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: trust yourself in that process. 157 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: Well, what an epic career you have, then? What an 158 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: epic career you have? Now? Add that elementary like I 159 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: said earlier, is it's something that brings so much joy. 160 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: It's a staple in so many households. People just love 161 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: it so much. The fact that you can get together 162 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: with people that you love and watch it and smile 163 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: and enjoy something in a crazy world is really nice. 164 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: I have so many questions about you and your role 165 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: and your process. I guess the first one is how 166 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: much is in prov versus how much is following a script? 167 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: Ninety eight percent of it is scripted, even the fourth wall, 168 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: like breaking the fourth wall and looking in a camera. 169 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: That's with the two percent. I'm in the writer's room 170 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: knows it, and I've said it multiple times. They do 171 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: a really good job of this. One of my biggest 172 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: pet peeves is if I see a look in a script, 173 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: because you can't dictate how the character is going to 174 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 2: feel until we're there, and it's not a look that's 175 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: paced for comedic effect. It's feeling caught. 176 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: Right. 177 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: These are regular human beings who have a camera crew 178 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: around them that they're aware of. But there are gonna 179 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: be times where, in living your natural, authentic life, you 180 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: feel more caught than others. So putting them in there 181 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: for comedic effect actually makes it really contrived. It's exactly 182 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: where you think it would be. I've been in, however, 183 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 2: many episodes we've done now and directed to, and every 184 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: single time you try to tell an actor where to 185 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: put a look, it's going to feel like you put 186 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: it there if they find it organically and they let it, 187 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 2: they let the situation motivated. Those are the ones where 188 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: you get the laughs from. Those are the ones the 189 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 2: people that people talk the ones that people talk about 190 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: that are like, I guess what would be considered iconic 191 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: were never scripted. 192 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah wow. So fourth wall stuff is pretty much 193 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: trusting your intuition and acting on it. 194 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're if you're in the character enough, they'll tell 195 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: you where to put it. The character will inform that feeling. 196 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: If you let the camera operators become other people in 197 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: this scene, then it'll start to give it to you. 198 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: And there's always something behind it. Once you build relationships 199 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: with individual cameras as well, that creates something in there. 200 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: It's very like it's a magic that you can't go 201 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 2: this line, this line. Look, it doesn't work that way. 202 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: So when you're seeing a script and there's instructions, you know, 203 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: let's say Gregory looks at her sarcastically, where Gregory looks 204 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: upset after a line has said, you don't really respond 205 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: to that. You want to feel it on your own. 206 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll get that informs me of where like we're 207 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: trying to get to in the scene, like it's just 208 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: contextual clues, but I'm not putting it there, you know. 209 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: It's like, if it's there, I'm definitely not putting it 210 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: there now, Like that's I have to find another way 211 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: to do it. And sometimes it's for like the studio 212 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: when they read the script and know where the act 213 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 2: breaks are going to be right and like, okay, this 214 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: is where we go out on this scene. But at 215 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: least for me as an artist individually, I'm definitely not 216 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: putting it wherever you wrote it. 217 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: That's so interesting. I love it. I love getting in 218 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: the mind of what you guys do because it's not 219 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: easy and you have to have a level of confidence 220 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: to be able to act on your intuition and do 221 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: two things like that. 222 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: Well, at some point, and quinc has talked about this 223 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: a bit, you share ownership of the character with the 224 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 2: writer's room. We've been in these characters for five years now. 225 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 2: We know what feels right and doesn't feel right living 226 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: in their skin. So at this point we're co parenting 227 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 2: these characters. And there is something really nice when we 228 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: have these moments where it's like I don't know about 229 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: that we have to take each other seriously in that 230 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: moment and go, you care about this characters as much 231 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 2: as I do, and you can feel them just as 232 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: much as I do. But we have to decide where 233 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 2: these things feel authentic and they can't just be words 234 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: on a page. And that's what's really nice about where 235 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 2: we are now in season five is there is this 236 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: co ownership that we all feel with these characters and 237 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 2: with this story. 238 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: So, yeah, five seasons in. What keeps it exciting for you? 239 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: What keeps you wanting to come back and do more 240 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: and more seasons? 241 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: Randall Einhorn, one of our EPs and our usual director, 242 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: says that our rules keep us honest. I think the 243 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: rules of our world keep it exciting. I think there's 244 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: certain things that many people don't think about that we 245 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: just don't do, and we don't break we break the 246 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: fourth wall, but even how we do that and when 247 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: we do that is very specific, and I think the 248 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: writers do a really good job of taking these characters 249 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: that people have fallen in love with and and found 250 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: compelling and throwing them into the craziest situations possible. Right now, 251 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 2: we're in a story where the school is in them mall. 252 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: That's how you keep a show alive. You take these 253 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: characters who have just found enough comfort and stability and 254 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 2: you rip that out from under them again, and you 255 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 2: see how they handle that and how they've matured over time. 256 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: I also get a chance to work with some of 257 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: the best actors in the world. And when we all 258 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 2: get up very early in the morning, and we're not 259 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: all good at that, like I'm particularly bad at that, 260 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 2: but when we all touch down and we're on set 261 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: for the first time and were for the first time, 262 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: there's an energy that starts moving and everybody wakes up 263 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 2: and everyone's ready to go. And I think that's a 264 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: big part of a show lasting a long time, is 265 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 2: you need everybody in your cast to be on the 266 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: same page with what type of show we're trying to 267 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 2: make and what is the caliber which we're trying to. 268 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: Work And we love a little romance. Yeah, and Gregory 269 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: Gregory keeps us on our toes. 270 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 2: Man. 271 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: I feel like Gregory is the ultimate yearner, right, And 272 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: it's the question of him e Janeine, will they won't they? 273 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: I mean, what are your thoughts? Do you think they'll 274 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: be in game? Do you want them to be in 275 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: end game. Are you invested in that? 276 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: I am very invested in it, but I'm invested in 277 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: the journey being just as good as the destination. I 278 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: was one of those people who when I watched romantic 279 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: comedies and things, there was this kind of like suspension 280 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 2: of this belief that you had to go into of 281 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 2: being like oh, and then they figure it out and 282 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 2: they're fine. I like walking through the things that they 283 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: have to figure out, because when our everyday lives, it's 284 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 2: not that linear, like how up and down they've kind 285 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: of been, and when an issue comes up, you watch 286 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 2: it affect them individually and then they have to address 287 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: it together. That's what I feel like, generationally, we need 288 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: more of everything's complicated. It's not you know, we're not 289 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: our parents or grandparents' generation where you meet somebody and 290 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: then that's it and y'all together forever. This is a 291 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: modern day love story, and it's got. As much as 292 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: it frustrates people, I love it because your dating life 293 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: is frustrating too. Yeah, this is kind of where we're 294 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: on the right track. 295 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: Are you rooting for them? 296 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well I can't not root for Gregory. I think 297 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 2: as an actor, if you're not rooting for your character, 298 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: you're doing them a disservice. I'm definitely rooting for the 299 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: two of them, but I also don't feel like in 300 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: rooting for them, I want to make their route easy either. 301 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: I want their relationship to be strong, and sometimes it 302 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: needs to be tested for that to be the case. 303 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm always rooting for them, but I'm rooting 304 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: for them to be their best selves and that's gonna 305 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: take going through fires. 306 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes you're the type of guy that likes a slow burn, 307 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: don't you. 308 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes, yes, bring it on. That's dope because then, like, 309 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: I don't want something that burns hot and fast. Yeah yeah, 310 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: because then you burns out and they're like, well what happened? 311 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: That slow burn is what you build life on top of. 312 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: That's what gets me excited, gets me. 313 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: Out of bed in the morning, And it's relatable to 314 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: your point. People are going through real life relationships like 315 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: that and they look at it and say, oh my god, 316 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: it's not just me. They feel reflected by the art, 317 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: which is really cool. And I love that Abbot as 318 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: a show people very much are growing up with and 319 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: they're hitting pivotal moments in their life watching and it's 320 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: just such a part of their own journey. Do you 321 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: feel that working on the show like whoa people really are? 322 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: Like growing up with us? 323 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just talking about we're doing season five 324 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: and we happen to be tied to twenty twenty because 325 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: of when we started. We started in the middle of 326 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: the pandemic, to see where the world was five years 327 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: ago versus where we are now, and having this show 328 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: be the way I mark that time. My life is different, 329 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: everyone around me life is different. The world that we 330 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: thought we were in pre pandemic is definitely not the 331 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: world that we're in now. It's been nice to grow 332 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: with people at the same rate, and I think it's 333 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: something that has been the case in my career because 334 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: I started so young as well. I have people who 335 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: were teens when I was a teen and watching me 336 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: on TV who are now we're in our thirties and 337 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: we're trying to find stability in our life. It's I 338 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: think you need those shows, and then I think also 339 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: actors to mark those like major moments in your life 340 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 2: to remember, I was watching this show at this time 341 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: figuring out whatever that was. Everybody had their Pandemic watch 342 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: right that they were like, and I got through these 343 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 2: three months just binging this show. I think that's important 344 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: when you talk about a career with longevity. You need 345 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: to be able to be a marker for people along 346 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: the road. 347 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: And I love that it's a show on traditional broadcast. Yes, 348 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: you can watch it on streaming, but it's on broadcasts 349 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: and it still continues to crush it. 350 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a model that worked for a reason. 351 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 352 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: I think we got really quick to abandon it once 353 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 2: streaming became a thing and it was like, well, now 354 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 2: we can do anything that we want. But as great 355 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: as that is, there's something about being in people's households 356 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: every week that's different. You build different relationships with them, 357 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: their relationship to the show becomes different. That's why it 358 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 2: becomes a comfort watch ten fifteen years later. You're not 359 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: just watching it because you enjoy it. You're watching it 360 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 2: because you got used to these people being in your house. 361 00:17:54,280 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: You miss them. The relationship between and viewer changes very rapidly. 362 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: That to me, is an art form in itself. 363 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 1: Let's talk about future Gregory for a minute. Okay, do 364 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: you want him to become principal? 365 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 2: I don't know, I really don't know. I want him 366 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 2: to have everything that he always dreamed of, but I 367 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 2: also want him to challenge the idea of his dreams 368 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 2: at the same time, do you really want this or 369 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 2: was this something that to you meant I'm successful? And 370 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: I think that's something that generationally we're all kind of 371 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 2: grappling with right now. Is we were sold you go 372 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: to college, you get the house, you get the car, 373 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 2: you have the kids, you have all the things. And 374 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 2: then as we became adults, those things went out the window, yeah, 375 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 2: or they changed significantly. We now have to redefine success 376 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 2: for ourselves and it's a work that we not only 377 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 2: have to do, but we get to do. And I 378 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 2: hope he does that. I hope that if he does 379 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 2: become principal, it's because it's one hundred percent what he wants. 380 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: But if that's not the case, I don't want him 381 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 2: to have it. I want him to if he finds 382 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 2: love in teaching right now and being more on the 383 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: ground with the kids and actively affecting their lives, and 384 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 2: that feels purposeful to him. I hope that he reaches 385 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: a level of maturity to say I don't need the. 386 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: Title right right, and dreams change over time. 387 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: Oh what they do. 388 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: So the question is has his dream changed, su or not? 389 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: I think he hasn't really had the time to consider that, 390 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: and that's what I'm hoping we allow him the time 391 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: to do really consider if that's still what he wants. 392 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: Hmmm, all right, we'll have to see. By season twenty three, 393 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: there we go. Maybe we'll find out by then. Why 394 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: have we not had an epic blooper reel because I 395 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: don't think one's ever been dropped. 396 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: You haven't had a blooper reel, but you've definitely had 397 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: blooper takes. 398 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: We've had takes, but it's like a big fat blooper 399 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: reel of all the season since I know you guys 400 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: do some crazy things. Oh yeah, no, we're waiting to 401 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: see them for sure, Like for sure. 402 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 2: I think we got really good at keeping things together, 403 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: so there's not as much blooper because we almost lost 404 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: whole scenes when Cheryl comes in in season one and 405 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: she says, sweet Baby Jesus in the grown room two, 406 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: my desks have been desks. That was not scripted. She 407 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: walked in and said that. And if you look at 408 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: the other takes of the other cameras, Quentin I broke immediately, 409 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: but we needed to keep that take. It's like, so 410 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 2: we kept Cheryl's angle of it. But after I remember 411 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 2: after that it was like kind of a moment for 412 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 2: us that we had to go, all right, everybody be 413 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 2: on your stuff because you may just walk in and 414 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 2: hear something and we don't want to lose this take. 415 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 2: So part of it has been we've been really efficient. 416 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: But I wouldn't be surprised if by the time we're done, 417 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 2: somebody in editing goes okay and then just drops something, 418 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 2: whether it's with our consent or not, right, I wouldn't 419 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: be surprised. 420 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: All Right, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. You also 421 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: are taking on the role of director. Yeah, you did 422 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: season four, of course you directed, You've directed this season 423 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: as well. What do you have to shift in your 424 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: mind and your responsibilities when you go from stepping you know, 425 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: in front of the camera to behind the camera. 426 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 2: I'm no longer just concerned about my performance. I'm kind 427 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 2: of concerned about everything. It can be a lot to 428 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 2: deal with. Mentally, I'm usually finding myself in a scene, 429 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 2: being present with somebody while also watching their performance at 430 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: the same time and saving notes from that performance, and 431 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: then going back after that take and watching it on 432 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: playback and making sure camera got it yeah, and then 433 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 2: trying to marry those two things together. There's things that 434 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 2: I find that actors are doing when I'm face to 435 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 2: face with somebody up close that I don't know if 436 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: you would be able to see from watching in the 437 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 2: monitors in the back. So I'm able to talk to 438 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 2: camera and say there's something that they're doing here that 439 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: I don't think that we're getting and we're catching. But 440 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 2: it's being concerned about the story and the show as 441 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 2: a whole and not just your performance, which is a 442 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: lot to deal with. But I think I work again 443 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: with really great actors who I can trust, really great 444 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 2: A camera operators who I can trust, great lighting department 445 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: that I can trust. So as much as I'm concerned 446 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: about it, I can always lean back on the fact 447 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 2: that they're good at their job. Yea, and I can 448 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: trust them. 449 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Are you direct to anything else this season? 450 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 2: No? No, no, no. I love it. Not that I don't, 451 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: but I feel like for what it takes and somehow 452 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: the way it gets timed, I always get really big episodes, 453 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 2: and Science Fair was a huge episode this next one 454 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: is just as big. I only have one in me 455 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: per year. It feels like because it takes. You know, 456 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 2: I'm not just shooting the week that I'm shooting. I'm 457 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 2: in prep three weeks prior while still shooting the other episodes, 458 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: and then I'm in editing two weeks after while still 459 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: shooting the other episodes. So it's all in all, like 460 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 2: a it takes for the span of like six or 461 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 2: seven episodes for me actually just to get this one done. 462 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: Wow yeow. And you know you you're leading a show 463 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: with an ensemble casts. You strike me as someone that 464 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: really wants to focus on the job you have rather 465 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: than be stretched in twenty five different positions. 466 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 2: I never wanted to be a jack of all trades 467 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: but a master of none. M That was one of 468 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 2: my biggest fears. I think as a child, you get 469 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 2: taught you can do this, you can sing, you can dance, 470 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: you can act, you can but then at some point 471 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 2: you get lost in the sauce a bit, and now 472 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 2: you're doing a bunch of things and you're not doing 473 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 2: any of them well, but you're doing them right. And 474 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 2: that's something I always wanted to avoid. So I only 475 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: want to take on exactly what I can do. The 476 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 2: episodes by themselves stretch me already. I want to do 477 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 2: one really good episode a season. I'm good with that. 478 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. It's good to know what you do and don't 479 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: want and what your threshold is, right, because it's easy 480 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: in this business to be pulled in a million directions 481 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: and feel like you have to be pulled in a 482 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: million directions. 483 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: You get to say I don't have the bandwidth. Yeah, 484 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 2: and I think everyone in the situation would be happier 485 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: with it if you did. The first episode I was 486 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: assigned this year was the one that just aired last week, 487 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 2: and it was the school moving into the mall for 488 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: the first time. And I sat down with Randall Einhorn, 489 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: who ended up directing the episode, and I was like, 490 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 2: as an actor, we're filling out a new space, we're 491 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: establishing a new space. There's a lot going on. I 492 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 2: feel like you should take this one. And I remember 493 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 2: having to have that conversation and go, this has to 494 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 2: be the mature decision. This is not an ego call. 495 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 2: This is for the story. It's better if you established 496 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 2: the space and I focus on just feeling the space 497 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 2: out as an actor and I'll take the one right 498 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: after it. And that's hopefully what people, when they learn 499 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 2: their limitations, they can do for nominally themselves with the 500 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 2: projects they work on. 501 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's how you have longevity, right, that's the 502 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: long game, right, So it's good on you for that. 503 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: Do you know that when you google your name, it 504 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: says American actor and rapper. So music, of course, is 505 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: something that you play around with and even though you 506 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: don't release it, you still write bars you say, we'll 507 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: never ever see the light of day. So what are 508 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: you enjoying about doing that and just kind of messing around? 509 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: It goes into what I was saying before. When you're young, 510 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: you're taught, If you're talented, you better use it and 511 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 2: find a way to muse it to make money. This 512 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,239 Speaker 2: I just do because I like to do it, and 513 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 2: I think I decided at some point that I wasn't 514 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: going to do it professionally because I needed something that 515 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 2: I could just do and like to do. The bar 516 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 2: for myself is very high, and I know that I 517 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 2: put that on myself even with you know, was talking 518 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: to producers about my episode and they're like it's great, 519 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: and I'm like, there are things in there. I don't 520 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 2: like the stuff that I wish I had another take, 521 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 2: and it's I can't have that for every art form 522 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: that I indulge in. I think sometimes you just need 523 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 2: to make art for the sake of making art and 524 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 2: leave it there and go, this is good. I like 525 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 2: the way this is, the way this is. I don't 526 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: need to put it out and release it. And I 527 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: think at some point I took hip hop back for me. 528 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to keep this one. I'm not going to 529 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: get especially as the industry changed and streaming became so 530 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 2: much a part of things, and artists now are finding 531 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 2: it harder to financially stay in a good place with 532 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 2: releasing music. I didn't want to get caught up in 533 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 2: that game. I wanted to make stuff that I like 534 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 2: to hear and that I like to write, not expressed myself, 535 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 2: but that I didn't feel pressure to monetize. 536 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: Right right, It's real. 537 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 2: It's for me. 538 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: You're sitting on like eight thousand, Oh my. 539 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 2: Oh, you have no idea. It's like notebooks full of stuff, 540 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 2: but it maybe like a project comes up at some 541 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: point where it like, oh I have a use for 542 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: these now. But I kind of like I like them 543 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 2: sitting there, like going back and revisiting them and seeing 544 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: the growth over time and seeing where my head was 545 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: at it. So there's also another thing with music is 546 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,719 Speaker 2: like it's so personal. Yah, and I may not always 547 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: be in the same place I was when I wrote this. 548 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 2: It's still good, but I'm not there anymore, and I 549 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: can now appreciate it without I don't know, feeling that 550 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 2: sense of what now I think people call cringe and 551 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 2: immaturity of looking back on something and like, I've definitely 552 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 2: had stuff I've written fresh out of a breakup and 553 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 2: I look back on now and like, heal yourself, work 554 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 2: on that, go talk to somebody. I'm happy that I 555 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 2: have that space to do that without having to deal 556 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: with it going out into the world. 557 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like I said, it's for you and it's 558 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: important to have that. Yeah, you know, it doesn't as 559 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: much as people want to see it. Yeah, I get 560 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: it and I understand it. Yeah. 561 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 2: Part of also being an artist and having a relationship 562 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 2: with your audience, much like with kids, is knowing what 563 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 2: you can give them and what you can't. 564 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 565 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 2: And I think that I have to limit myself in 566 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: a way and limit what I give people because that 567 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 2: keeps our relationships strong. 568 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. You strike me as a very 569 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: grounded person. And we started talking a little bit about 570 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: success earlier, and you're somebody from the outside who has 571 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: had tremendous success, right And when you think about where 572 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: you are in your life now, how do you define success? 573 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: Do you think success means freedom? Does it mean peace? 574 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: Does it mean fame? 575 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: I pick a word at the top of every year 576 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 2: that I want to be the thing that I'm going 577 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 2: after this year, and freedom was the word I chose 578 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 2: this year. Really, yeah, success is freedom for me right now? Freedom. 579 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 2: I think I spent a lot of time doing what 580 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 2: I had to do to sustain a career, right to 581 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: keep momentum, going to play the game to a certain extent, 582 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 2: because so much of the industry, and you know, is political, 583 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 2: and you have to make the moves that you have 584 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: to make when you have to make them. This will 585 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: be my thirtieth year in the industry. I want freedom 586 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: to just be. It's why I moved back to New 587 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: York and left LA I needed. I know that whatever 588 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: is coming for me next, I'm gonna find in that 589 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 2: freedom that I can feel. I know that I'll find 590 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: the next great thing in exploring that freedom. But it's 591 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: a freedom that I have to fight for. And I 592 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 2: think it's not just freedom in the sense of being 593 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 2: able to go outside, but mental freedom as well, being 594 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 2: able to decompress and tap out of the system. Whenever 595 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 2: you see an actor and you're like, where have they been? 596 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just I'm chasing freedom. I gotta free myself 597 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 2: from it mentally and then I'll be back. And I 598 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 2: think there's an aspect of that that I'm heading into. 599 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: Currently that must be feeling. 600 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 2: It's nice, it's nice, it's hard, though. Freedom is something 601 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 2: you have to fight for in every sense of the word, 602 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 2: and you're going to be challenged each step along the way, 603 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 2: and a lot of times it's you that's stopping you 604 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 2: from having the freedom. And that's what I'm finding now 605 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: is that I'm challenging myself to question, why do I 606 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 2: feel like I need to do this because I'm asking 607 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: for freedom and I'm the only one stopping me from 608 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 2: having it. 609 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: Right. Well, I also think it's our innate sensibility of 610 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: needing to please other people and putting their needs above you, 611 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: above ours, right, and that's just human and to your point, 612 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: it's a fight. It's a fight to be like no, no, no, 613 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: I need to remember what I want, you know. 614 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 2: One hundred percent, And I would say that for anybody. 615 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: If you've everyone's like, oh, why wasn't he at this thing? 616 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: I was chasing freedom more than likely freedom. 617 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: I like that for twenty twenty six freedom, freedom and 618 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: freedom in to your point earlier, setting boundaries that need 619 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: to be set right, like you're I feel like you 620 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: do put a lot out there, and you've shared a 621 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: lot about your life, about your health and about things 622 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: like that, but you also do have a boundary where 623 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: you don't reveal everything. Was that a conscious choice you 624 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: made early in your career? 625 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 2: For sure? I think one of the things I want 626 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: the freedom to do is make mistakes. And I'm aware 627 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: more than most people because I've always been a public 628 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: figure that when you give too much, that thing is 629 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: now going to be judged. Although you are a human 630 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 2: being in process, that's not how it's going to be seen. 631 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 2: You need to be aware of the platform that you have. 632 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: So if you're aware that you're in process, that means 633 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,239 Speaker 2: you can't show everybody everything because then you're inhibiting your 634 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 2: own evolution. I want to be able to grow and 635 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 2: make because ultimately, some of the best performances I've ever 636 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 2: given came off of the back of a mistake I 637 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 2: made five ten years prior, where I learned from it 638 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 2: and remembered where I was at that time. So when 639 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: the character it was their time to make it, I 640 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 2: could give it to you authentically and also know where 641 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 2: they're going to go and get out of that. I 642 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: think eventually, hopefully, if you're smart, you learn that the 643 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 2: boundaries don't keep people out, it keeps you in. And 644 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 2: that's what I love about it. That's what I love 645 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 2: about this relationship that I've been able to build up 646 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: my audience over time, which is I think they know, 647 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 2: which is like, I'm gonna give you everything that I got, 648 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: but you know, don't cross certain lines with me. Yeah, 649 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 2: I can feel it when people approach me on the street. 650 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: I'm trying to be as normal as a human being 651 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: as possible, So don't expect my relationships to be part 652 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 2: of my economy. So they'll date to who I want 653 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 2: and have a great time, and then if it doesn't 654 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 2: work out, it doesn't work out. Cool, But that doesn't 655 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 2: mean I need to serve it up on a silver 656 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 2: platter to you as part of my career. That's not 657 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 2: what I'm here for. 658 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: Right in an industry where it's almost celebrated to be 659 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: super accessible and put so much out there, especially with 660 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: social media, do you feel like it's ever costed you 661 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: opportunities or it's almost gained you or just no effect. 662 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 2: I feel like it always costs you something you don't 663 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 2: put out without it taking something from you. And I 664 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 2: was very I did pretty much my arm tied behind 665 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 2: my back to get onto social media when we were 666 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 2: promoting an indie film called Dear White People, And when 667 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 2: you're doing indie film, it's hard to get people to 668 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 2: see something because there's no big pr arm behind it. 669 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: So they were like, you have a following and we 670 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 2: should probably use you for that, and I was like, okay, fine. 671 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 2: But I was always aware that the more that I gave, 672 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 2: the less I would have. And thankfully the industry has 673 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 2: I think, stayed around with me long enough to understand 674 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 2: that there's certain things that I'm just not gonna do, 675 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 2: so it hasn't cost me anything. But I am very 676 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 2: measured in what I put out. Like I've talked about 677 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: a lot of stuff with my health, not just as 678 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 2: a way to speak for other people and give them 679 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 2: a beacon if they're going through it at the same time, 680 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 2: but also as a way for people to know, Oh, again, 681 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 2: if you don't see me, I could be dealing with something. 682 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,959 Speaker 2: Give me the space to do that. I'm being honest 683 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 2: with you to let you know that I have limitations. 684 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 2: I have things that come along with this life of 685 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,439 Speaker 2: being in front of the camera the entire time. Give 686 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: me the space to go through those things when they 687 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 2: get messy. Like I've been in ers where I see 688 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 2: somebody with their phone out and I'm like, that's part 689 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 2: of the decision. Why to reveal that stuff so that 690 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 2: people know. And I think ultimately, when that happens, it's 691 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 2: somebody forgetting that there's a human being on the other side, 692 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 2: and that's when it's time to reveal. That's when it's 693 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 2: time to go, Hey, I'm human. There's stuff that's going 694 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 2: to be happening. Please give me the space to work 695 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 2: through that. But I think if you give people too much, 696 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 2: then you can't pull that back. It's hard to give 697 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 2: people every aspect of your life and then ask for 698 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 2: patience and privacy you already open the doors, so I 699 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 2: always have to be very careful with how far I 700 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 2: open it. 701 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: Well, good on you for knowing what your limitations are 702 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: and what you do want to allow people you know 703 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: and see and what you know you need to have 704 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: a minute and have something for you right like it's 705 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: it's an important lesson that some of us learn and 706 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: some of us don't. And I think if you know 707 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: that about yourself again, it goes back to longevity, It 708 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: goes back to happiness and living a life you really 709 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: want to live. 710 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 2: I want to be here for a long time. Yeah, 711 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 2: and I want to continue this conversation for a long time. 712 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,439 Speaker 1: There's no doubt I have that you will be here 713 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: for a long time. I think everybody that watches you 714 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: and loves your work knows that. 715 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 2: But I don't want to burn out. Yeah, yeah, that's 716 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 2: the thing. I want to make sure I'm here healthily 717 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 2: for a long time, and that's more important. Well. 718 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. And as we wrap up this conversation, 719 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: the name of the show is called I've never said 720 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: this before, and it was born and we were talking 721 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: a little before the interview from this idea, you know, 722 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: I cover a lot of record carpets and junkets, and 723 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: you have a minute and a half two minutes with somebody. 724 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: Half the time, everyone's asking the same question because if 725 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: you don't get it for your outlet, it doesn't matter, 726 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 1: you know. So to me, it's I love that side 727 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: what I do. But it felt it was feeling a 728 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: little repetitive, and I love conversation and wanted to give 729 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: people a chance to come on a longer format show 730 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: and say something that they've wanted to always put out 731 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: into the world. It's not about a secret, it's about 732 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: just what's something you never really get a chance to 733 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: talk about or say that you can come here and 734 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: say that you're not going to say in a two 735 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: minute carpet, right, So, is there anything today you can 736 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: think of that you've never said before that you want 737 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: to leave us with? 738 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 2: First off, good on you for fostering on organic, authentic conversations. 739 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: Thank you. 740 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 2: It's very rare that an artist needs to go somewhere 741 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 2: and have a real conversation authentically and have a space 742 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 2: that's safe enough to do so. That isn't you know, 743 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like you're fishing for clickbait and all 744 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 2: of that, so I think it's worth addressing that you're 745 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 2: creating a space here that's rare. Thank you, and I 746 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 2: really appreciate that. One of the things that I have 747 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 2: been talking about lately, not just with family, with people 748 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 2: around me, and I think a lot of creatives might 749 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,439 Speaker 2: need to hear this. You don't need to go to LA. 750 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 2: You don't. The industry changes every five years or so, 751 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 2: and in the current iteration that we're in, everybody feels 752 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 2: like in order to do what I need to do, 753 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 2: I need to drop everything and move to LA. But 754 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 2: what they don't understand is it's like going from high 755 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 2: school into the NBA. You throw yourself into this machine 756 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 2: that requires so much of what I call industry IQ, 757 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 2: You're bound to trip and fall and be trapped. And 758 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 2: I've watched the city chew people up and spit them 759 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 2: right back out, and they didn't understand that they had 760 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 2: other options. And I'll be really practical about it. You 761 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 2: can go for a time, you can find an agent, 762 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 2: you can find other people to collaborate with, but the 763 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 2: city is so expensive and revolves around one industry. If 764 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 2: you stay there without being efficient immediately, it will suck 765 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 2: you dry. Let it bring you usually if it brings 766 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 2: you for money, because like there's something to do, you 767 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 2: have to fly out to go work. I have to 768 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 2: fly out tonight to go work. But you can do 769 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 2: that from where you are. Keep your family, keep your 770 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 2: support system, keep the people where you are. Especially as 771 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 2: an actor, the majority of the things you're going to 772 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,879 Speaker 2: be doing is putting something on tape. You can put 773 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 2: something on tape from it anywhere. But I'm tired of 774 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 2: seeing people go to LA and get chewed up and 775 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 2: come back as husks of what they were previously. I've 776 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 2: never said that, and I feel like it's something that 777 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 2: at this point needs to be said, because we see 778 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 2: documentary after documentary after documentary as something somebody goes out 779 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 2: there and crazy these stuff happens to them, and then 780 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 2: they're never the same. Yeah, you can be an artist 781 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 2: wherever it is that you are, and when your art 782 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 2: is good enough, the world will have your attention. You 783 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 2: don't need to go there and try to force it 784 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 2: and make it happen. 785 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: I feel like we just got a free master class 786 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: and I am here for it. 787 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 2: I hope, I hope people hear that and it changes 788 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 2: somebody's decision. 789 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, no rocket, solid advice and worth hearing because 790 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: people don't talk about that enough. 791 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 2: So I love that it's not a one You don't 792 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 2: need to go to one place to do this anymore. Yeah, 793 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 2: it's nice. It's brilliant. You have your phone, you can 794 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 2: do anything on there. Yeah, but hopefully that that that 795 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 2: helps somebody. Man, could you be any cooler? I'm working 796 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 2: on it. Yeah, this is a front I'm working on. 797 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 2: I'm working on it. I'm doing the work to be that. 798 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 2: But I think these kind of conversations make it that 799 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,439 Speaker 2: much easier. You're doing something special here. 800 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: Well, thank you man, I was I was really excited 801 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 1: to have you on. Like I said, I think you're 802 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: a brilliant artist, but also you offer a lot of 803 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: good insight in to life and real life shit. And 804 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: that's what the show's about. It's hearing from people that 805 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: you know listeners love, but also walking away learning a 806 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 1: little something and that they can then go apply in 807 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: their life. And I think that the way you're so 808 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: grounded is why you've worked for so many decades, and 809 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: you'll continue working and I can't wait to see what 810 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: you continue doing. Man, Thank you. 811 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 2: I can't wait for our next conversation. I can't wait too. 812 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,800 Speaker 1: We will for sure, and if I see you in 813 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: the New York streets, I will not be bringing you 814 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:26,879 Speaker 1: warm fruit. 815 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 2: And I will not offer you condiments of any kind. 816 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Thank you very much. Until next time, brother, Thanks. 817 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,320 Speaker 1: I've Never Said This Before is hosted by Me, Tommy Diderio. 818 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio 819 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: and by Me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've 820 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: Never Said This Before is part of the Elvis Duran 821 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: podcast Network on iHeart Podcasts. 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