1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: podcast network. Now get ready for us Strange Things with 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: Joshua P. Warren. 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their sponsors 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 10 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: Ready to will be amazed by the wizard of Weird. 11 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: This is Strange with Joshua. I am Joshua if you warren't. 12 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: And each week on this show, I'll be bringing you 13 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: brand new my blowing content, news exercises, and weird experiments 14 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: you can do at home, and a lot more on 15 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: this edition of the show. Dragons, Yes, Dragons. I want 16 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: to start by by telling you a story. I have 17 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: a good friend I have known for many years, and 18 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: he lives in a major city here in the United States. 19 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: He actually is quite well known, very charismatic. I don't 20 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: want to give out his actual full identity. Let's call 21 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: him Xavier, and he told me a story that I 22 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: want to share with you. Last time I was in 23 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: his town, we got together at a bar. He doesn't drink, 24 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: but anyway, he was saying, it's too bad you couldn't 25 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: make it to my wedding. And I definitely would have 26 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: tried to make it to his wedding, but I was 27 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: obligated to film a TV series. There was no way 28 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: I could do it. And I said, yeah, I'm sorry, 29 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: I couldn't do that. And he said, well, it was 30 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: a heck of a spectacle, said let me tell you 31 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: what happened. I said, okay. He said, well, I met 32 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: this lady and it was, you know, lightning struck, and 33 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: I knew that she was to be the love of 34 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: my life. Now he had always he'd already been married 35 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: once before arter marriage, I guess is what some call that. 36 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: But no, he met her and he said, yeah, this 37 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: is the one. And at this point, you know, because 38 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: he was getting a little bit, you know, he was 39 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: closer to middle age, so he was not a naive 40 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: a naive young man at this point, so he wanted 41 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: to make sure that this wedding was going to be 42 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: absolutely extra special. They were going to rent this nice, 43 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: big retreat with a huge lawn and just like you know, 44 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: go all out. And Xavier told me that he just 45 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: did not want his wedding ring to be some boring, old, 46 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: normal wedding band. He needed it to be something special. 47 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: He'd been saving up money for many, many years to 48 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: buy something nice. You know, some guys they'll go out 49 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: and they'll buy a sports car or a boat or something. Well, 50 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: in his particular case, he said, I decided that I 51 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: was going to take all this money that I had 52 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: saved up, and I was going to have a master artisan, 53 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: a master jeweler, create a ring for me, a wedding 54 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: ring for me that would be truly unique and amazing. 55 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: And he said, I have always believed that dragons were real, 56 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: and that dragons are powerful, and there are probably still 57 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: dragons out there. And when I think about dragons, it 58 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: gives me adrenaline, It pumps me up, it makes me excited. 59 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: I decided I wanted to have an artisan make me 60 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: a ring that looked like a dragon wrapping its body 61 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: and its tail around my finger. And so Xavier, sure enough, 62 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 1: he did all his research and he found a master artisan, 63 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: and he went to this artisan, and he described what 64 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: he wanted. He even had sketches, and he said, I 65 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: want this to be absolutely stunning. I want it to 66 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: be made of gold. I want there to be diamonds. 67 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: I want there to be rubies, I want there to 68 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: be emeralds. Spare no expense. This has got to be 69 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: an amazing, an amazing ring will remind me of the 70 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: love I have for this woman every time I look 71 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: at it, and the artist and said, sir, I shall 72 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: do my best. Well, there was no rush, and so 73 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: a good bit of time passed. I think it might 74 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: have even been months, and finally one day the arts 75 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: in contacted Xavier and said the ring is ready. Xavier 76 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: shows up at the shop and oh, my lord, this 77 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: ring is practically glowing. It's practically radiating light. It is magnificent. 78 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: The artisan in a standing there speech for a little bit, 79 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: just waiting, you know, to just sort of soaking in 80 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: Xavier's reaction. Xavier says to the artisan, it's absolutely exquisite. 81 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm truly amazed. And the artisan says, I've been doing 82 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: this for fifty years. This is my masterpiece. This dragon 83 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: ring is the finest thing that I have ever created. 84 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: If I am only remembered for one thing. I hope 85 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: it is this ring. So Xavier, giddy as a kid 86 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: on Christmas morning, takes this astounding ring and he goes 87 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: back to his house and he's sitting there and he's 88 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: thinking about the wedding, and he says, you know what, 89 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: this ring is so incredible. I can't just have a 90 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: human being hand this to me. This ring is so 91 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: exceptional that the only fitting way for it to be 92 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: delivered to me during this precious wedding ceremony, it must 93 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: be delivered to my hand by a falcon. Yes, a falcon, 94 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: a majestic bird's he envisioned a falcon flying through the 95 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: air dropping this ring into his hand. And so now 96 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: he goes on a new quest and he found the falconer, 97 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: and the falconer says, well, we've never done anything quite 98 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: like that before, but I think we can do it. 99 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: There's a first time for everything. And so sure enough, 100 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: the wedding day rolls around, beautiful, sunny, perfect day, nice 101 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: little breeze. Tons of people show up, everybody's dressed to 102 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: the nines, big green lawn. It really does look like 103 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: something out of the magazine. So at the appropriate time, 104 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: Xavier and his bride are standing there in front of 105 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: the priest, and then the moment of truth arises. Tucked 106 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: away secretly in the back behind everybody. This whole time 107 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: has been this falconer. And finally, when the signal is given, 108 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: the falconer releases the falcon, and the falcon this falconer says, 109 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: it's like one of the most intelligent falcons ever. So 110 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: this falcon is holding this ring and its talons, and 111 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: he's flying from behind, so nobody knows what's coming in 112 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: the audience. The bride doesn't even know. This has been 113 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: a well kept secret between Xavier and the falconer and 114 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: this falcon. This majestic falcon springs into action from behind 115 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: the crowd, and it comes out looking like some kind 116 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: of mythical Greek miracle. And that lasts for about one 117 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: or two seconds, because it becomes quickly evident that this nice, big, 118 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: heavy bejeweled ring, this golden ring, is actually way too 119 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: heavy for this falcon. And so suddenly, as this falcon 120 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: is flying toward Xavier, he begins to look like he's drunk. 121 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: The falcon looks like it's drunk. Now I know that 122 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: birds can't sweat. But if they could, this falcon would 123 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: be sweating. And this falcon, it's doing everything it can 124 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: to cross this space, and it's weaving left and right, 125 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: and it's and suddenly it's dipping down and it's hitting people, 126 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: and panic ensues. Women are screaming, children are fleeing. Nobody 127 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: understands what's happening. This falcon is pounding its wings like 128 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: it's the last thing that's ever gonna do. It looks 129 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: like a terrible disaster. And then at the last possible moment, 130 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: that falcon, that falcon, it pulls up and it releases 131 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: and it drops that ring, bang perfectly into Xavier's hand. 132 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: Couldn't have done a better job. The falcon flies off. 133 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: Everybody is just again like craze. They don't know what's 134 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: going on. His new bride is freaking out, and he 135 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: now has this memory, this unbelievable memory of this successful mission, 136 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: this falcon delivering this dragon ring to him. Well, they're 137 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,599 Speaker 1: divorced now. But I bring this up because this is 138 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: an example of how strongly some people feel about dragons. 139 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: Do you know anybody who feels like that. I know 140 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people who have a very strong opinion 141 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: about the reality of dragons. And just recently I was 142 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: on Coast to Coast AM with George Norri and a 143 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: woman called in and she said, why don't you do 144 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: a show about dragons? And I thought, you know what, 145 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: maybe I will. Well, here is that show. We have 146 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: to take a break. When we come back, we're going 147 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: to dig into We're dragons real? Are dragons reel? 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Warren, beaming into your 165 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: wormhole brain from my studio in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, 166 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: where every day is golden and every night is Silverjetato 167 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: Zoome and I mentioned this before, but here we go again. 168 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: Programming A programming note obviously little odd because this is 169 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: a podcast and you can be listening to it at 170 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: any time. You could be listening to this five years 171 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: after I made it. But if you're one of those 172 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: people who is listening right now, like sort of after 173 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: it's just been released, I am going to be taking 174 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: some time off for the holidays, so do not be alarmed. 175 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: Part of it will be rest and relaxation. Part of 176 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: it will be some brand new investigations, and you will 177 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: not believe some of the experiences I'm going to be 178 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: telling you about when I come back. Okay, we're talking 179 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: about dragons. In twenty twelve, I went to Romania, to 180 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: the region called Transylvania, and I got to investigate many 181 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: of the castles and ruins associated with Vlad the Impaler. 182 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: He was called Dracula because his father was called uh 183 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: Vlad Dracool. Dracool means a dragon, and and then and 184 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: their language. And as a matter of fact, okay, so 185 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: his father, known as Vlad Dracool, was a member. He 186 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: was he was you know, he was a ruler, and 187 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: he was a member of this thing called the Order 188 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: of the Dragon. And this was a or society of 189 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: the dragonists, a chivalric order. And what that means is 190 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: they were it was like an order of knights, a 191 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: fellowship of knights, and it was only for people who 192 00:15:54,240 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: were uh monarchs or aristocracy. Founded in fourteen o eight. 193 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: There's no sense in digging too deep into that. But 194 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: his so his dad was Vlad Dracoul, meaning Vlad the Dragon, 195 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: because that he was a member of this Order of 196 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: the Dragon. And then his son, who became the famous Dracula, 197 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: Vlad Dracula was meant son of the dragon. He actually 198 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: signed his name Draco Yah or Draco Yah. So sometimes 199 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: you might hear, like we often say, we talk about Dracula, 200 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: but if you hear Europeans say Draco Yah, well that's 201 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: actually probably more like it actually was pronounced by him. 202 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: And I just bring that up because you know, this 203 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: again is an example of people who lived a long 204 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: time ago who took this whole dragon thing really seriously. 205 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: So I mean, like, how much how much legitimacy is 206 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: there this idea that dragons once lived. Okay, well, let's 207 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: just look at the definition of the dragon. Okay, So 208 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: here's what Wikipedia will tell you. A dragon is a magical, 209 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: legendary creature that appears in the folklore of multiple cultures worldwide. 210 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: Beliefs about dragons vary considerably through regions, but dragons and 211 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: Western cultures since the High Middle Ages have often been 212 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: depicted as winged, horned, and capable of breathing fire. Dragons 213 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: and Eastern cultures are usually depicted as wingless, four legged, 214 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 1: serpentine creatures with above average intelligence. Commonalities between dragons traits 215 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: are often a hybridization of reptilian, mammalian, and avian features. 216 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: That's kind of weird, is it mixes all that stuff together? Okay, 217 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: so fire breathing, let's just start with that. Is it 218 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: has there ever been an animal that could breathe fire? 219 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: You know what, if you go back to the Bible, 220 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: the King James version of the Bible Book of Job, 221 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: chapter forty one, verses eighteen through twenty one. It talks 222 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: about this beast called Leviathon. Leviathon is a dragon like 223 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: sea serpent demon, and it's referenced in the Hebrew Bible 224 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: as a metaphor, a metaphor for a powerful enemy. Let's see, 225 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: it's referred to in various various books. But what's what's 226 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: interesting is if you look at that that actual quote 227 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: from Job, it says, Leviathon's snorting throws out flashes of light. 228 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: Its eyes shine like the first light of day. Flames 229 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: spray out of its mouth, Sparks of fire shoot out, 230 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: Smoke pours out of its nose. It is like smoke 231 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: from a boiling pot over burning grass. Its breath sets 232 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: coals on fire, Flames fly out of its mouth. Well, 233 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: that makes it pretty clear, doesn't it that according to 234 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: the Bible, this dragon like sea serpent named Leviathon is 235 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: breathing fire. You know, that's a very early reference to 236 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: this kind of concept. But if you actually like look 237 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: it up, like, has there ever been evidence of an 238 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: animal that breathes fire? No, what's weird is that, you know, 239 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: when you start researching this, people are trying to stretch it. 240 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: They're like, well, there's a beetle that ejects a boiling 241 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: hot and noxious chemical spray, the bombard ear beetle, and 242 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: hypothetically other animals could evolve fire breathing abilities by creating 243 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: a chemical reaction similar to the beetles, but they would 244 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: need to overcome some significant biological hurdles like developing flame 245 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: resistant organs and a system to store and expel flammable 246 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: substances without harming themselves, etcetera, etcetera. So apparently we don't 247 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: have any evidence that any animal that has ever lived 248 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: here on Earth could actually breathe fire, and yet you know, 249 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: we have all of these amazing depictions of these fire 250 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: breathing dragons. You know, it's kind of funny if you 251 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: ever visit my house, and who knows, I doubt I'm 252 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: gonna do this, but someday I might just get a 253 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: wild hair and say, all right, I'm gonna sell some 254 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: tickets and you can come to my house and see 255 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: my personal collection. Again, that's probably never gonna happen. But 256 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: when you walk in the door of my house, if 257 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: you look up, there's a big, big, high tall ceiling, 258 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: and I have mounted there what a lot of people 259 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: would think of as one of these Chinese dragons. You 260 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: know how you see in parades and such and celebrations 261 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: Chinese people, they often they run around and they have 262 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: these big, long like dragon puppets they're manipulating. Actually, what 263 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: I have is not a Chinese dragon, though it is 264 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: a it's a Chinese lion. A lot of people can 265 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: confuse those two that it's a legitimate costume from the 266 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: Chinese lion dance. And the difference is. Okay, when you 267 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: see these like Chinese parties and parades and stuff, you 268 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: usually see lion dancing and then dragon dancing. A lion 269 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: dance is performed by two people and a two person costume, 270 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: and a dragon dance is performed by a much larger team, 271 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: up to nine people, and they're using poles to manipulate 272 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: this long serpentine dragon puppet with flowing and undulating movements. Okay, 273 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: So just you know, in case you find that interesting 274 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: and you don't know that much about it, don't confuse 275 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: the law that the Chinese lion with the Chinese dragon 276 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: and these things. So, but what's the point of all this? 277 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: Both dances are traditional and performed during celebrations to bring 278 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: good luck. The lion and the lion dance is often 279 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: associated with martial arts and can involve more acrobatic movements, 280 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: whereas the dragon dance is more about just graceful, flowing motions. 281 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: But in general, though the dragon is supposed to to 282 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: bring let's see, let's see your Chinese lion versus dragon. 283 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: Let's see what we can say about, like I want 284 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: to make sure I get this right, okay, And Chinese culture, 285 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: the dragon is a mythical creature symbolizing imperial power, wisdom, 286 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: and control over the elements like rain and water, while 287 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: the lion represents strength, stability and protective power. So they're 288 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: both you know, obviously like good lucky symbols. But the 289 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: idea is that like the I think, is a bit 290 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: more of like an active figure that's out there and 291 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, making things happen, and then the lion is 292 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: more of like the protector that fins off these you know, 293 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: dark and evil things. All right, So look, fine, we 294 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: have all these legends, we have all these stories, but 295 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: what's is there any kind of the basis in fact here? Well, 296 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: we know that already we don't really have any evidence 297 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: of a fire breathing creature. But let's go back to dinosaurs. 298 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: When we're dinosaurs discovered. What are these things? You know, 299 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: you've heard of a pterodectyl, but a pterosaur is more like, 300 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: what is a pterosaur? Is it possible that tterodectyls and 301 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: pterosaurs and all that kind of planted a seed. But 302 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: then it gets really really weird because I have a 303 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: story I'm going to tell you about a woman who 304 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: took pictures of what looks like a dragon flying through 305 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: her backyard, and I swear this is legit. I'm Joshua P. Warren. 306 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast 307 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I'll be back 308 00:25:19,040 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: after these important messages. Welcome back to Strange Things on 309 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 310 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Joshua P. Warren, and this is the 311 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: show where the unusual becomes usual. In two thousand and six, 312 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: I published a book called Pet Ghosts Animal Encounters from 313 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: Beyond the Grave. You should be able to find it 314 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: on Amazon, and I wrote this I referenced another book 315 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: called Reader's Digest Mysteries of the Unexplained, And this is 316 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: one of my favorite books that I read when I 317 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: was growing up, and there's a story recounted about a 318 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: pterodactyl seen alive in France in eighteen fifty six. Now, 319 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: by the way, I presume you all know what a 320 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: pterodectyl is, but actually tradectyl is part of what's called 321 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: a pterosaur. Pterosaur is the broad term for the entire 322 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: group of flying reptiles, while terradectyl refers to a specific 323 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: genus within that group. Anyway, eighteen fifty six terodactyl seen 324 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: alive in France in eighteen fifty six, workers were toiling 325 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: on a railway tunnel between the Saint Dizzier and Nancy Lions, 326 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: and it said, quote in the half light of the tunnel, 327 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: something monstrous stumbled toward them out of a great boulder 328 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: of Jurassic limestone they had just split open. It fluttered, 329 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: its wings, croaked, and died at their feet. The creature, 330 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: whose wingspan was ten feet seven inches, had four legs 331 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: joined by a membrane like a bat. What should have 332 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: been feet were long talons and the mouth was arrayed 333 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: with sharp teeth, the skin was like black leather, thick 334 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: and oily. And then let's see here. A paleontology student 335 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: at the nearby township of Gray immediately identified the animal 336 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: as a pterodactyl. The limestone within which the creature was 337 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: imprisoned seemed consistent with the period in which those winged 338 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: creatures lived, and the particular section of stone contained a 339 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: cavity with the exact shape of the beast, forming a 340 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: mold of its body. This story is credited to the 341 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: Illustrated London News, February ninth, eighteen fifty six, page one 342 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: sixty six, and astoundingly, there is no mention of what 343 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: happened to that animal, and its whereabouts are still completely 344 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: lost to history. Why is this now? Okay, let's just 345 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: say that this may be true. That was eighteen fifty six. Well, 346 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: what blows my mind is that dinosaurs were officially quote 347 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: unquote discovered and acknowledged by scientists in the eighteen twenties. 348 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: Did you know it was that? Now, maybe that doesn't 349 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: seem like it to you, but I was born in 350 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: the nineteen hundreds and so to think that scientists didn't 351 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: even acknowledge dinosaurs existed until the eighteen hundreds. Like, that's 352 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: shocking to me. Dinosaurs were discovered in the eighteen twenties 353 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: when fossils were scientifically described by let's see starting with 354 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: Megalosaurus by William Buckland. Dinosaur means terrible lizard and megalosaurus 355 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: means great lizard. But I mean, did you realize that? 356 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: I mean, these dinosaurs have always been there as long 357 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: as humans have been there, but it took scientists until 358 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds to piece it together and to figure 359 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: it out, isn't it? I mean like that, that is 360 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: that just blows my mind every single time I think 361 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: about it. And you know, years ago, my wife Lauren 362 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: is from Texas, and so years ago we were exploring Texas. 363 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: I was visiting for and staying for a while, and 364 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: we went to Austin and they have this gigantic skeleton 365 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: of a pterosaur. Let's see it. They call it the Keetscotlus, 366 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: which is basically like the cuckocon animal. If you know, 367 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: if you follow that, you walk into this room, you 368 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: look up and you see this enormous skeleton of what 369 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: looks like a dragon. They say it's the largest known 370 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: flying animal, which was discovered in Big Ben National Park, Texas, 371 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: by a University of Texas at Austin graduate student in 372 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one. And I mean when you walk in, like, 373 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: let's see how big is this darn thing? Let's see 374 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: how big is the Texas pterosaur because I mean, like 375 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: I say, I've seen this in person. Okay, it has 376 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: a wing span of almost forty feet forty feet and 377 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: a weight of over five hundred pounds. Okay, I know 378 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: people listen to the show all over the world. Forty 379 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: feet that's twelve that's over twelve meters. And then let's 380 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: see here. What did I say, five hundred pounds five 381 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: hundred pounds to kilograms, that's two hundred and twenty six kilograms. 382 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: I walked into a building and looked up and saw 383 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: this thing up there. These things have existed. You know, 384 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: these are real. That's a dragon. Like, that's a real 385 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: thing that existed at one point as a dragon. Now, now, granted, 386 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: you know we have Kimodo dragons that are out there. 387 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: They can be up to ten feet long and weigh 388 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: over three hundred pounds. Let's see what's ten feet two meters? Sorry, 389 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: I have to do these conversions. Okay, so that's three 390 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: about three meters that's how big a Kimodo dragon is. 391 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: And you know these Kimodo dragons, they they shoot their 392 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: tongues out there. They have these forked tongues and they 393 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: shoot their tongues out there like a snake. And you know, 394 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: and some of these snakes have very colorful tongues. They 395 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: say that the reason that snakes and some of these 396 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: other reptiles have these fork and tong is because, well 397 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: they're smelling the environment constantly with their tongues, and by 398 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: having a fork, it's like stereo smell. So you know, 399 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: how like you have two ears so that you can 400 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: sort of get a richer idea of sound is coming 401 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: from the right or the left, or you have two 402 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: eyes so that you have depth perception. Well that's why 403 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: they these creatures have fork tongues because when their tongue 404 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,719 Speaker 1: comes out, it's got two sections and they're comparing two points, 405 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: and so they have this sensation that we can't relate to, 406 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: which is like a stereo smell. And a lot of 407 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: these reptiles have these colorful tongues that shoot in and out. 408 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: And I would be willing to bet that if there 409 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: was some overlap between early humans and some of these 410 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: reptilian creatures with these bright fork of tongues shooting in 411 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: and out, that might have been what created the idea 412 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: of them being flame breathing or fire breathing, because for 413 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: one thing, you know now, like you grew up in 414 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: a nice, comfy environment where you can go to a 415 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: zoo and spend all day looking at one of these 416 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,280 Speaker 1: things and you can figure out, oh, it's a colorful tongue. 417 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: But back in the day, if you ran into something 418 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: like this, you might have two seconds of seeing this 419 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: FOURK tongue shoot out and you're like, I am out 420 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: of here, and all you can say is like it 421 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: looked like it was breathing fire. So is there any 422 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: reality to the fact that, you know, dragons may have 423 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: been real? Why not? Of course. But you know what, 424 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: we know that taradactyls exist, and taradactyls look like dragons. 425 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: And I just have to tell you that. In this 426 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: book Pet Ghosts, I wrote about this woman named Lynn Jackson, 427 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: and she lived on a farm in South Carolina, and 428 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: she and her family started seeing what looked like some 429 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: kind of a dragon flying around at night on their property, 430 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: this big farm, and they even took a picture of it. 431 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, If you go to Joshua 432 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: Pwarren dot com, there's a section at the top of 433 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: the menu there called Gallery of the Strange. If you 434 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: click that, there's a section called World's Wildest Ghost Photos, 435 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: and it's definitely worth going there. But on page four 436 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: you're going to see what I have called devil dragons. 437 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: These are actual photographs by Lynn Jackson in Lancaster, South Carolina, 438 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,280 Speaker 1: as featured in my book Pet Ghosts. And I swear 439 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: to you when you look at these pictures and I 440 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: analyze these, these are legit. It looks like these giant, 441 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: misty pterodactyl type things terosaurs that are flying around. And 442 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: regardless of whether or not ancient people were able to 443 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: see some of these living examples of these beings and 444 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: maybe they had big bright fork tug shooting in and 445 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: out to look like flames, there still may be ghosts 446 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,720 Speaker 1: of some of these kinds of creatures that are flying 447 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: around out there. And again, don't take my word for it, 448 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: go look at these pictures. It looks to me like 449 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: we have these big, misty apparitional forms that look a 450 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: lot like pterosaurs or pterodactyls of some kind. And you 451 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: can even see in one of them a what looks 452 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: like maybe a big fork tongue shooting out like it's 453 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: breathing fire. Now, is this just paradoia? Certainly could be, 454 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: but it may be that in the past, early people 455 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 1: had encounters with these beings, and now, even if they're 456 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: not still around physically, we may be encountering the apparitions 457 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 1: of these beings, and that may be more of what 458 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: we're what we're dealing with when people say they encounter 459 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: dragons nowadays. When we come back from this break, I 460 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 1: gotta wrap up the show, a guy contacted me and said, 461 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: I am cursed, yep, one of those. He asked me 462 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: what to do about it, and I'll tell you what 463 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: I told him. I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening to 464 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast I 465 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be right back. 466 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the final segment of this edition of 467 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 1: Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 468 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Laurn 469 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: And the other day I was watching the nineteen seventy 470 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: seven cartoon movie The Hobbit, And of course The Hobbit 471 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: is about the adventures of this little guy, Bilbo Baggins, 472 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: who is persuaded by the wizard Gandolf to join this 473 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: company of thirteen dwarves on a quest to reclaim their 474 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: ancestral home and treasure from a dragon, a dragon named Smog. Yeah, 475 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: and one of my favorite songs, The Great Arrested Avenger, 476 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: is what lies ahead today and tomorrow? 477 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 3: Are you to be said? 478 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 4: The chances, the changes are all yours to make. The 479 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 4: mold over your life. Isn't your hands to break? The 480 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 4: man who's a dreamer never text leave? Who thinks of 481 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 4: the world that is just Nick will leave? 482 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: Okay, I could keep going. That's uh, that's Glenn Yarborough. 483 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 3: Oh well, never no passion, will never no pain. Who 484 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 3: sits by them in the days you reign? 485 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,760 Speaker 1: Glen Yarborough saying that he was born in nineteen thirty 486 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: died in twenty sixteen, age eighty six. Go go listen 487 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: to some more Glen Yarborough stuff. Say. He died from 488 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: complications of dementia which followed a history of COPD. Eighty 489 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: six years old, died at home in Nashville, Tennessee, surrounded 490 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: by family. Another example though, of just you know, a 491 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: story like a whole epic series that starts with this 492 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 1: quest for a dragon. So, I mean, our dragons are 493 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: dragons real, Look, they once existed. Terosaurs prove that pterosaurs, pterodactyls. 494 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: They prove that those are dragons, and it's possible that 495 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: there are still some out there. As a matter of fact, 496 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: as recently as twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, there were at 497 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: least two reports that I know of of people here 498 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: in the state of Nevada claiming that they're driving down 499 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 1: the road and all of a sudden they're shocked because 500 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,320 Speaker 1: they look up and they see a pterodactyl flying around. 501 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,479 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I even have a little 502 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: terodactyl skeleton replica that I have used before when telling 503 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,919 Speaker 1: that story. Now, is that I mean, is that real? 504 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, these are just stories. But 505 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: there are people who still say they're seeing occasionally a pterodactyl, 506 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: but knowing that those creatures lived well. Also, I mean, 507 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: we can say if we are to accept there are 508 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,240 Speaker 1: such things as ghosts or spirits, things that get recorded 509 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: in the environment from the past. Well, then there may 510 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: be ghosts or spiritual beings that look like this, or 511 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,280 Speaker 1: they may just be interdimensional beings that we encounter sometimes 512 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: that have these characteristics that we consider dragons. So are 513 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: dragons real? It depends on what you mean by that, 514 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: But you know what, why not? Sure? Yeah, they're real 515 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,800 Speaker 1: to some in some way, depending on how you define things. 516 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: Dragons are real, and they're very powerful symbols for people. 517 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: I guess it's because they combine so many features and uh, 518 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,320 Speaker 1: you know, dragons strike some people more powerfully than others. 519 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: But when you start thinking about you know, where you 520 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: place your faith and what you believe in. It's a 521 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: very personal thing, you know. I'm not a guru, I'm 522 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: not a minister. I'm not here to tell you that 523 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,799 Speaker 1: I know the answers to things show is called strange things. 524 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm here to raise questions and explore mysteries. I'm not 525 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: here to answer things. I mean, I'll try. I can 526 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: sit here and give you my opinion on stuff, but 527 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I get all kinds of interesting emails 528 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,320 Speaker 1: from people though, all the time, and they ask me questions. 529 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 1: Here's one. I get this one from time to time. 530 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: This came from a person named Sean and the subject 531 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: line is witchcraft. It says, hello, I found you from 532 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: coast to coast. I have a problem. I don't know 533 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: if you or anyone you know could help. The reason 534 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm emailing you is I'm possibly in need of some 535 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,800 Speaker 1: spiritual assistance. I think someone might have put a curse 536 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: on me years ago. I'm not sure if you or 537 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: anyone you know could tell me if I'm correct in 538 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: thinking that, and how to go about getting rid of it. 539 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 1: The story is blow. It goes on to say I 540 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,840 Speaker 1: live in southern Delaware, probably of Irish and English heritage, 541 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: if that matters. This happened back in twenty sixteen. At 542 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 1: the time, and still to this day, I don't have 543 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,399 Speaker 1: any spiritual protection. I met a person back then who 544 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: was also from Delaware, probably of similar heritage. Seemed to 545 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 1: have been in witchcraft or something like that, judging by 546 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: the way they talked and the interest they had. I 547 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 1: also remember they had an interest in rocks, and I 548 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,359 Speaker 1: think they liked to collect animal bones. They also liked 549 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 1: to cut themselves. This person was not very nice. They 550 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: could be full of anger and hatred at times, and 551 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: they mentioned one of their family members that were involved 552 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: in this stuff as well. Goes on to talk about 553 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: somebody who's connected to Louisiana curses voodoo. Unfortunately, I made 554 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: this person very very mad in twenty sixteen, made them 555 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 1: made them mad by accident, not on purpose, but I 556 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: did wrong them in a bad way. And this person 557 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: and I stopped talking talking in about a week or 558 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,840 Speaker 1: two after we stopped well, I had a medical episode. 559 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: Ever since then, I've had constant bad luck, misfortune and misery, 560 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 1: just a bad quality of life in general. The strange 561 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,839 Speaker 1: thing about it is, it almost seems as if there's 562 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,799 Speaker 1: an intelligence to my bad luck. Things seem to happen 563 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: at the worst time, or a bunch of stuff will 564 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 1: happen at once. I noticed that whenever I have an 565 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 1: improvement in my life in a lot of these cases, 566 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 1: in a short period of time, there will be another 567 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 1: bad thing that happens right around then to counteract any 568 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 1: good thing that may have happened. And every single time 569 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: that I've had a big improvement, well, it basically seems 570 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: there's some kind of bad luck that gets tied to that. 571 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: Setbacks goes on to say, this is a fairly consistent pattern, 572 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 1: been going on since twenty sixteen, ten years this person 573 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 1: is talking about says, I developed an interest in the 574 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,360 Speaker 1: paranormal in twenty two I'm wondering about this a curse 575 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:08,360 Speaker 1: or an attachment or an entity. I have no involvement 576 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: in witchcraft or talking to the dead or anything like that. 577 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 1: I need assistance. And then the person goes on to say, 578 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,360 Speaker 1: I'd be willing to pay a reasonable fee for some 579 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: help in getting this resolved. So here's what I say 580 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 1: to people like Sean, and I say this all the time. 581 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: If you think you may be cursed, go listen to 582 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,960 Speaker 1: episode eighty one of this podcast called Strange Things. That 583 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,359 Speaker 1: particular episode is called if You Are Cursed. Episode eighty 584 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: one of this podcast called If You Are Cursed. In 585 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,600 Speaker 1: that podcast, I will tell you that I am not 586 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,800 Speaker 1: a curse breaker, and you don't pay me or hire me. 587 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how to break curses, but I give 588 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 1: you some insight, and I also do refer you to 589 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,800 Speaker 1: some people who might be able to help you. And 590 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,799 Speaker 1: you know, if you don't think curses are real, well, 591 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,919 Speaker 1: have you ever said a blessing? You ever said a prayer, 592 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: Because if you believe a blessing means something, or if 593 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,359 Speaker 1: you mean a prayer means something, well, then you also 594 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: have to believe that curses may mean something. It's the 595 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,560 Speaker 1: same thing, it's just the opposite. Sometimes all you have 596 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,880 Speaker 1: to do is just write what your problems are on 597 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,440 Speaker 1: a piece of paper, and then below it write the solution, 598 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: and then underline that solution and kiss it and then 599 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,720 Speaker 1: say thank you to God. But you got to consider 600 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,640 Speaker 1: self fulfilling prophecies and be careful that you're not like, 601 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: you know, looking for something bad and cursing yourself. One 602 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,759 Speaker 1: thing that's kind of interesting a person told me about. 603 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,239 Speaker 1: They said, if you have another human being that you 604 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: think is doing something, projecting something towards you that you 605 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 1: don't like, print out a picture of that person. If 606 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: you don't have a picture, write that person's name on 607 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: a piece of paper, you know, represent that person some way, 608 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 1: and then take that and put it in a bowl 609 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,800 Speaker 1: of water, and then put that bowl of water in 610 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: your freezer and freeze it. And imagine that as that 611 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 1: bowl of water is freezing, that it's locking up that 612 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:31,040 Speaker 1: person's ability to do anything that affects you And once 613 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 1: that thing is frozen, you keep it in there, and 614 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:38,759 Speaker 1: that person is frozen and they cannot do anything to 615 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: project something negative towards you anyway. Like I say, go 616 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,040 Speaker 1: listen to episode eighty one of Strange Things. The clock 617 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,839 Speaker 1: is goddess. Let's all make this next week the best ever. 618 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 1: Take a deep breath, if you can close your eyes, 619 00:48:52,719 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 1: Let's all listen together to the good Fortune tone. That's 620 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,799 Speaker 1: it for this edition of the show. Follow me at 621 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 1: Joshua P. Warren, Plus, visit Joshuapwarren dot com to sign 622 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,080 Speaker 1: up for my free e newsletter to receive a free 623 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 1: instant gift, and check out the cool stuff in the 624 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:39,320 Speaker 1: Curiosity Shop. All at Joshuapwarren dot com. I have a 625 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: fun one lined up for you next time, I promise. 626 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,759 Speaker 1: So please tell all your friends to subscribe to this 627 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,880 Speaker 1: show and to always remember the Golden Rule. Thank you 628 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,080 Speaker 1: for listening, thank you for your interest and support, thank 629 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: you for staying curious, and I will talk to you 630 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:04,239 Speaker 1: again soon. You've been listening to Strange Things on the 631 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:09,720 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 632 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 2: Well, if you like this episode of Strange Things, wait 633 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,600 Speaker 2: till you hear the next one. Thank you for listening 634 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:33,600 Speaker 2: to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.