1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Native Lampard is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 3: Welcome home. Y'all. My name is Chris and I am 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 3: a fifth grade teacher here in Atlanta and Asucacy. My 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: classroom is very it's a problem America has a problem 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 3: feature in Beyonce and my creative flag that I did 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 3: with actual you can't zoom in, but with actual people 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 3: inside of the stars and my HBC wall. Nonetheless, my 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 3: question is is it overzealous of me to think or 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 3: believe that every time, or to believe that once we 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 3: hit the age of eighteen we should be automatically registered 13 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: to vote and kind of get rid of this. People 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 3: don't vote because they don't register, and just go ahead 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 3: and give them the automatic right. Why are we making 16 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: people register to vote and putting them through the ringer 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 3: when we know they exist, The government knows you're eighteen, 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: Now just give you the automatic right to vote. Is 19 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 3: that over zealous? Maybe so, but just give me your opinion. 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Christian. 21 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: I believe being a teacher. 22 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 4: Yes, we are very very grateful for your question. You 23 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 4: know we are. 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 5: I believe voting rights advocates on the show, I certain 25 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 5: believe in compulsory registration and so many other ways to 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 5: ensure that people feel compelled to participate. We've been spending 27 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 5: a lot of time talking about redistricting on our shows, 28 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 5: Tiff and Andrew, and I wanted to get into well, 29 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 5: welcome to opinions, dicey right now, welcome to what we 30 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 5: jumping right in. 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's. 32 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: Something he can advocate. By the way, in his own state, 33 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: each step you can determine how they conduct registration. 34 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: Right exactly, so he can advocate that for advocate for 35 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: that in the state of Georgia. And I was just 36 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: going to point that out Andrew, that it is a 37 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: state right, like how elections are run. That is actually 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: a step for now, that is a state issue, so 39 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: he should be participating in that. And because he's from Atlanta, 40 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: he's going to give a shout out to Latasha Brown 41 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: and Black Voters Matter because they may be pursuing something 42 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: like that already, or just so he doesn't feel like 43 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: he has to be overwhelmed with that. He can join 44 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: forces with other organizations who may already be pursuing And 45 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: thank you for the question. 46 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, So, speaking of there's a measure last Congress called 47 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 5: the Freedom to Vote Act, and one of the pieces 48 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 5: in the bill called for a national automatic voter registration, 49 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 5: which twenty two states in DC already have to the 50 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 5: point that Tiff and Andrew were just raising about what 51 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 5: states do. But there is a pre Souden bill that's 52 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 5: been getting a lot of attention lady lately for some challenges, 53 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 5: and that's around these independent redistricting commissions. But before we 54 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 5: get there, I know TIF had a story of violence, 55 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 5: and perhaps that will keep you watching a little bit longer. 56 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 5: So I don't know if we tease the violence now, 57 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 5: we get to it later. 58 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: I haven't wanted to tell it a story, and I 59 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: was decided on if I would tell it or not, 60 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: and today I just felt compelled to tell it. And 61 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: I will give a shout out because the state red Buck, 62 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: that's the that is the name of a many time, 63 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: I think because. 64 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 4: I they a teaser. 65 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: Okay, So I on occasion do Abby Phillips show on CNN, 66 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: and look, we have our opinions about how things progress 67 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: and transpire on the show. It is supposed to be 68 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: a show for ideological debate and it often devolves into 69 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: mudslinging at times, and you know, it's it can be challenging. 70 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: And so you say you said the times, Yeah, it's yes. 71 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 5: One thing Andrew gonna do is play a flave. That's 72 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 5: one thing he gonna do. 73 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: It was conversation on well it's fine. 74 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 4: So I was. 75 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: I appeared on Abby Show with this woman Brooke. I 76 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: forget her last name. I think it's a Goldstein gold Stegn. 77 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: I can't remember. But so we have like very intense 78 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: discussions and during the commercial break, I don't When I 79 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: arrived at the studio, I don't I don't engage. I'm 80 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: not in the green room with everybody. I can't make 81 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: small talk with people whose beliefs I find abhorrent. I 82 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: don't really give a ship where your kids are thinking 83 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: about going to college. I don't care what you did 84 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: this weekend. I don't want to hear about your summer plans, 85 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: summer vacation plans. I walk it like I talk it. 86 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: You know, I believe that, and I believe that everybody 87 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: on this podcast is probably the same way. We're very 88 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: similarly situated that way, And so I don't make small 89 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: talk during the commercial breaks either, like we can keep 90 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: our conversations on air, and I try to normalize having 91 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: a very intelligent response, even in the face of insults, 92 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: to not get in the mud with people. And I failed. 93 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: I failed at that, and I'll tell you why. So 94 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: I was on with this woman and we were Abby 95 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: showed several really disturbing clips of starving children in Gaza 96 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: and you saw a child die, this ten year old 97 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: girl who was just skin and bones, but it was 98 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: you know, she's one of thousands. Unfortunately, it was really heartbreaking. 99 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: And this woman was on the show, who she said, 100 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: you know why, is basically trying to defend She's like, 101 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: this is all Harmas's fault. And if you know, the 102 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: food workers work with Harmas, and Hamas shows children with 103 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: genetic diseases who looked that way anyway without starvation, and 104 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: I just lost it. I mean, I just couldn't, you know, 105 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: let her keep saying that kind of misinformation platforming somebody 106 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: like that. I mean, I you know that I'm not 107 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: in the business to say who comes on what shows anymore, 108 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: but I just had a real issue with her saying 109 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: something that's demonstrably false. So I interrupt her, and I 110 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: start talking about actual facts and data coming out of Gaza, 111 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: and I'm saying, you know, this is horrific, and who 112 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: could possibly look at this footage and say something about 113 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: hamas like the only thing a human being could see 114 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: as a starving child. So that is where our focus 115 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: should be. So she says, are you trying to say 116 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: I don't care about starving children? And I said, well, 117 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: it certainly doesn't sound like it. So during the commercial break, 118 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: this is where things went left. And pray for her 119 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: that I was on the panel that night and not 120 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: either of my co host particularly into a She turns 121 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: to me and puts her hands on me, puts her 122 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: hands on my shoulder and has her fingers like this 123 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: close to my face and is like, honey, do not 124 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: say that I don't care about starving children. So already 125 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: my blood is boiling. But I'm trying to contain myself 126 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: because to me, I feel like this is violence. You're 127 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: touching me without my permission, and you have your fingers 128 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: a little too close to my face for comfort, and 129 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: so I say, get your hands off me, do not 130 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: touch me, and move your fingers from my face. I 131 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: move her fingers out of my face. And she says, 132 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: you're saying I don't care about starving children. She's going 133 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: on and on, and I was like, you are complicit 134 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: in what's happening. You are intentionally stating things that are 135 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: not facts, and shame on you. And she is escalating, 136 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: and she says you. 137 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 4: Okay. 138 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: In my best self, I would have flown so above that. 139 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: I would have just been like, wow, like what a 140 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, immature person that you can't contain your emotions 141 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: that way? Like how immature and silly? And you look 142 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: stupid and ignorant. And you will not you will not 143 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: take my dignity. Sadly, that is not what happened, and 144 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: I lose it. So now I'm saying you and we 145 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: are yelling at each other, and I'm seriously sitting there 146 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: thinking I am about to get into a fistfight with 147 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: this woman. She is unhinged. And so people were getting 148 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: their makeup, and so at this point the panel was 149 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: paying attention to us because now we're yelling and she 150 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: keeps talking to me, and I'm like, the child with 151 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: the bad attitude is still talking. You need to direct 152 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: your conversation elsewhere. They had to come escorter off the 153 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: set after the show and all of that, but I 154 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: just felt so, you know, I'm like, I don't need 155 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: to be I'm a professional, grown ass woman. I don't 156 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: conduct myself that way. I certainly don't take pride in 157 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: yelling and cursing at somebody on set. I've always tried 158 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: to maintain my dignity in the most challenging of moments, 159 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: and I failed myself at that time. But also because 160 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: her husband was in the studio for some reason, I'm like, 161 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: I don't even understand why he in the studio it was, 162 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: And then she started complaining, saying, oh my gosh, she's 163 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: so unprofessional. She's trying to talk to Abby and the producers. 164 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: She's sitting here yelling at me and cursing, And I thought, oh, 165 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: this is a liar, because now you're saying I'm the 166 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: person who said you and everybody's like, okay, you guys, okay, 167 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: you guys, calmed down, And it just made me so upset, 168 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: And I know, like, doing this show is challenging at times. 169 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: There's a reason why I do the show, but doing 170 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: this show is challenging at times, and I just wanted 171 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: to tell y'all what happened. I told y'all a quick 172 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: version of what happened we were on the call, but 173 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: now I'm telling the viewers and everybody what happened. I 174 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: don't know how y'all would handle that situation. I don't 175 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: like it. 176 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 4: I won't ever appear with her again. 177 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: Well because I if I strike first, you know, then 178 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: it is a problem. But I was in that space 179 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: where it's like we are not having a debate anymore. 180 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: Now we're just two women with a problem with each other, 181 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: and I'm going to proceed accordingly. And you know how 182 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: it is. There's me and this white woman who's already lied, 183 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, who's already playing a victim. Anyway, I was 184 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: just pissed off about the whole thing, you know. Anyway, 185 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: I just wanted to share the story. 186 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: I'm proud of you. 187 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 4: Well, what would you have done? 188 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: Andrew's hard for you because you're a black man, so 189 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: it's harder to engage that. 190 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 2: Well, clearly we could. We wouldn't have been able to 191 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 2: escalate that way. But similar to you, I didn't talk 192 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: to people. We didn't have key ki ki. 193 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not doing that. 194 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: And in the green rooms about the kind of inhumane 195 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 2: shit you thought and said about me when we were 196 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: in front of the camera, and then after it's just 197 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 2: like and how old are your kids? Now? I'm like, 198 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 2: I'm not talking to you about my children, right, Like, 199 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: that's we're entitled to that. We're not friends, and we're 200 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: also this is not for play, Okay, what you just 201 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 2: set up there is going to cost somebody something, right 202 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: There are people, whole communities and people who are going 203 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: to be looked at different circumspect because it's some shit 204 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: you just made public publicly acceptable. You created a permission 205 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: structure for a certain set of things to now transpire. 206 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: And that's what this woman did by ignoring her own 207 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: humanity and basically saying, oh no, it's sill, just people 208 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 2: who are stopping them. Who sees a starving child and 209 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: doesn't have a heart for that, right, I'm just surprised 210 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: that she that she can look. 211 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 4: She felt comfortable that that was my problem. 212 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: You feel comfortable enough putting your fingers in my face 213 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: and your hands on me, And it wasn't. I don't 214 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: think it was handle the way that it should have 215 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: been handled. But I don't know. I just I think 216 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: this is something that happened on the TV set but 217 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: I'm also thinking about confrontations that happen every day, and 218 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: as black people, we got about point five seconds to decide. 219 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: Am I going to rise above it and make you 220 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: feel this big like I'm just ignoring you. I don't 221 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: even see you, I don't hear you, or am I 222 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: gonna go spider monkey on your ass? So you know 223 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: I am not the one. And it's a challenging sing 224 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: situation for us to be in, regardless it's on the 225 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: TV set or not. It's just regardless if you could 226 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: be at the airport and at a rest or any 227 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: point where they feel deputized that they could one touch you, 228 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: to speak to you any kind of way, and three 229 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: insert themselves in something where they really shouldn't even be 230 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: addressing us. 231 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 2: So that's why if you say it's a TV set, 232 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: but that makes it all the more unusual. Right when 233 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 2: the camera is to me, that makes it more unusual. 234 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: I think you did what you needed to do, which 235 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: is you use your words and as you are the 236 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: first to admit you have an acid as tongue when 237 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: you want. And the reason why she had to escalate 238 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 2: where she went is because she couldn't meet you there, 239 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: right she had to go to some other palace because 240 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 2: she couldn't meet you there. So I'll just say, like 241 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: I tell my kids, use your words, choose them, but 242 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: use your words. 243 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, first tip. 244 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 5: I hate that you have that experience because it's all 245 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 5: too common, and it's one I think Andrew you experience, 246 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 5: I experience on network, and I think having some distance 247 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 5: now from being a commentator for a little bit, it's 248 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 5: not an aspect of it that I miss at all. 249 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 5: In fact, we've talked about this a little bit in 250 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 5: passing on the show. I'm surprised about how much you've 251 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 5: gone on because when you were to. Initially, when I 252 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 5: was like, oh, they want us on the show, Tiff 253 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 5: was like, absolutely not, We're not doing that. You should 254 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 5: even go, And now I feel how you feel. Definitely 255 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 5: not that much. I remember Joy was saying when she 256 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 5: was starting her show, she was like, I went on 257 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 5: one time, and for me, even last week when they 258 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 5: reached out, I said, until the whole podcast is going on, 259 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 5: I'm not going. And I maintain that, and the reason 260 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 5: for it is I just think that, especially in this 261 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 5: moment in this country, we deserve to have conversations in 262 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 5: safe spaces, even if we disagree, right, there are some 263 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 5: things that should be off limits and until the space. 264 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 5: It's not just networks, but the spaces that we choose 265 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 5: to occupy, to be sharing a word, you know, evangelizing, share, 266 00:13:58,559 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 5: you know. 267 00:13:58,920 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 4: Share in facts. 268 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 5: There are certain parameters that should be set to ensure 269 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 5: our physical and psychological and even emotional safety. And I 270 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 5: think sometimes even you know, on this show, we wrestle 271 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 5: with that because there's something going on for one of 272 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 5: us that we didn't know about. But we're always gonna 273 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 5: right set that because we love each other. I think 274 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 5: the intention has to be to tell the truth in love. 275 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 5: That in love piece is a necessary part even in disagreement. 276 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 5: But you don't ever like have the right to disrespect 277 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 5: our sister. If we see it, we're gonna call you 278 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 5: on it. It ain't cool. And I would require that 279 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 5: of people who ask us to share space with them, 280 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 5: especially you know, with you being so gifted. 281 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: So I know you don't want to go on, Angela, 282 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: I would love to see you go on, And this 283 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: is my reason why I'll tell y'all offline while I 284 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: go on there. But this is my thinking because Angela is, 285 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: like y'all have seen We talked about Angela refusing these networks, 286 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: like she down like four flat tires every single time 287 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: for her friends, her crew, colleagues, all that. But my 288 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: thought on having all three of us on there, so 289 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: then you have one night with all NLP and then 290 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: you're done. Versus if I'm on Monday night, you have 291 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: a promo for NLP, If Angela's on Wednesday, you have 292 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: a promo for MLP. If Andrew's on Friday, you have 293 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: a promo for NLP. I know, I know, I'm just 294 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: saying if and so if Angela, if your only reason 295 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: is no because they won't have all of us, Andrew's 296 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: not going to go either way. I'm always happy to go. 297 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, as Andrew, you said you would if we all 298 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 4: went on today, you. 299 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: Know, I mean, i would do stuff that is of 300 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: a level, But I'm not generally going to sit down 301 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: and be on the opposite side of. 302 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 4: Somebody going on. 303 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 5: If the three of us were going on in an 304 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 5: asshole just so happened to be on that day. You 305 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 5: said before you would go on if it was the collective, Yeah, 306 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 5: they wouldn't. 307 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: They wouldn't put the three of us on with the 308 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: That's not. 309 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 5: What I was told, and that's the only reason why 310 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 5: I went on initially, and the only reason why I 311 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 5: asked Tip to go on initially, right, Like this is I. 312 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 6: Agree with Tift though I think I think, I think 313 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 6: it is important for your voices to be in the 314 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 6: mix there because the aspects of it, you know, I mean, 315 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 6: I feel you. 316 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 5: I'm just not going to do that until there are 317 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 5: safety parameters. And again from a network that once paid 318 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 5: me for my commentary, you pay me what you owe me, right, 319 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 5: I'm definitely. 320 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: Not going on more recently. 321 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 5: I'm not going on frequently. I'm not doing that, Like 322 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 5: I know what I'm worth, and I'm not going to 323 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 5: add to your ratings and you're not you're not reciprocating that, 324 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 5: especially not to put me in harm's way literally, just showing. 325 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: You that you introduced perspectives that might otherwise not be there, 326 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: and that's why you get paid to introduce those perspectives. 327 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 5: But again, and so for me, the only added benefit 328 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 5: of going on a network right now, from my perspective, 329 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 5: I'm very interested in the social experiment we're engaging in 330 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 5: and how we bring eyeballs to our show, and if 331 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 5: it's not going to be a mutually beneficial exchange. 332 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 4: I'm not here for it. 333 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 5: It's just my my psychological well being and safety matter 334 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 5: too much to me in this season in my life, 335 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 5: I get there especially. I mean literally, we're watching kids 336 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 5: pay for their lives in DC. 337 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: And they don't create it. But the main thing is 338 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: just to be clear, I know y'all know, I know 339 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 1: what I want. 340 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 4: The viewers. 341 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: You know, they do not pay me for my appearance 342 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: or my time at all. I go up there for free. 343 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: And that is the point Angela's making, Like if I'm 344 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: if she's gonna fly across the country and go on 345 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: this network and have to be confronted by and confront 346 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: people who spent racist ideology, disinformation, people who violate her 347 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: personal space, all those things. Her perspective is it needs 348 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 1: to be I need to benefit from it. Either A 349 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: I am a formal contributor where I'm collecting a check 350 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: so this is about my job. Or B you're gonna 351 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: have my co hosts on and all of us are 352 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: going to get a benefit out of being on there, 353 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: which I completely get that perspective. I may be back 354 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: on this week or next week, or maybe once they 355 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: hear this podcast never who knows, who knows, but I 356 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: will share. I will share more with you guys on 357 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: why I go on the show offline. And it's not 358 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: because I'm trying to keep something away from the viewers, 359 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: but I just I think it's relevant to the co host. 360 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: No, I thank you again. I'd say double down, do it, 361 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: but I know how much they pay. 362 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: Well, I know. 363 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 4: I just want to. 364 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, go ahead, go ahead, exactly that. And 365 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 5: that's that's the point. Like give tip, pay Tip what 366 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 5: you owe her too, because she have you been going 367 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 5: on every week. 368 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: To No, I mean I would, but I just I 369 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: don't have the time commitment to do it. So maybe 370 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: once or twice a. 371 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 4: Month, okay, Well either way, pay her what you are. 372 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 5: She's added to the ratings to Abby, we love you 373 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 5: sis and there. 374 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 4: And I do want her to be what are we 375 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 4: false advertising? 376 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: We talked about redistricting. 377 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: And we got time. 378 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 2: No, I don't want to, I don't want. 379 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 5: I just want you guys the weigh in on the commissions. 380 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 5: Because Andrew said that he thinks. 381 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: I just think we can have that fight. I don't 382 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 2: think it's the fight to be had right now. 383 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 4: Well, we'll talk about what the fight is brother. 384 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: The fight right now is they're trying to cheat and 385 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 2: throw us out of the game completely, and we cannot 386 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 2: go quietly into that good night. Right So, I don't 387 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: want to debate whether or not you believe ideally in 388 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: commissions and whether you think they can work or not work. 389 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 2: I'm not actually that interested in anybody thoughts on that. 390 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: I'm right now interested and with the power that you 391 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 2: do have right now in this moment, what are you 392 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: going to do to make sure we can live to 393 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 2: fight another day? Because you're theoretical and you're what government 394 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: looks like and all that kind of stuff. It's all 395 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: good when we're talking about about normal times and we're 396 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 2: talking about we're talking about a game where everybody respects 397 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 2: the rules and abides by them. That's not where we 398 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 2: are right now. Right now, we have cheaters on the 399 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: other side, and so we're not trying to cheat with them. 400 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: We're just trying to level the damn field. We just 401 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 2: want to level it. So whatever we have to. If 402 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 2: you can be for commissions, you can be a spokesperson 403 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 2: for them. I, however, am not interested in it right now. 404 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 2: I'm not interested in your opinion on it, Your advocacy, 405 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 2: your good government's opinion. I'm interested in knowing, right now, 406 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: in your position, with the power that you right now have, 407 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: what are you going to do to ensure that we 408 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: can live to fight another day. 409 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 5: This is the thing I think that we Okay, just 410 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 5: take a step back with me for a second. As 411 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 5: soon as Gavin Newsom talked about responding in this way 412 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 5: is almost an immediate release of all these other states 413 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 5: where these Republicans were going to go after other black 414 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 5: people who happen to be Democrats. And so what that 415 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 5: tells me is that this is something that has long 416 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 5: been planned. And to the point that Tiff said in 417 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 5: the main episode around DC, is that this is also 418 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 5: a litmus test. 419 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 4: They the first. 420 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 5: Litmus test wasn't right now, It was in North Carolina. 421 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 5: As we talked about, I think that what we have 422 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 5: to do, say it again, is. 423 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: Not important to do now. But I debate the beginning 424 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: of this. 425 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 5: Okay, well, I'm saying the first time they tried it 426 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 5: in like the middle of it, right right, right right, 427 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 5: You're saying that that's also different. 428 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 4: You take issue with that. 429 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I mean in this kind of orientation, I 430 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 2: could concede that North Carolina may have been the shot 431 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: over the bow. However, redistricting period and the way in 432 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: which the ruling majority, be they Democrat or Republican, have 433 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 2: approached that has always been at the sacrifice of black men, 434 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: voters and black representation. 435 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 5: Okay, I agree with that. I'm talking specifically about here 436 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 5: is the census, Here is the point in which you're 437 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 5: supposed to redistrict. We're gonna not We're no longer following 438 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 5: those rules. We're just going to do this in the 439 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 5: middle of the thing or three years into the thing. 440 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 5: North Carolina, I believe, was the first state. Is there 441 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 5: something as another state that you know? 442 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: No, there have been other states prior to North Carolina 443 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 2: who have updated, quote updated their numbers or gone without 444 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 2: updating numbers and drawn seats from the state level, from 445 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: the local state to the federal level. There have also been, 446 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: of course, as you know, court cases which have lingered 447 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: on into the mid decinial. 448 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 4: I think that's different. 449 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 2: I get it, I get it, But both have existed. 450 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: We have seen efforts where and we again, I think 451 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: it's a lesser point than the point you want to make, 452 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: So I don't even want to. 453 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 5: Well, I think it's important if I like, if my 454 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 5: information is wrong, I definitely want to know. But my 455 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 5: understanding is North Carolina is the first state to kind 456 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 5: of just say in twenty three reactionally, are just going 457 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 5: to change this and do it in a way that 458 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 5: hurts black people. So if that's wrong, I want to 459 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,479 Speaker 5: fix it. I'm not saying historically it's never happened, but 460 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 5: you know, leading up to VR, before we had section 461 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 5: five that you know with the formula in Section four 462 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 5: a VR of the Voting Rights Act, we don't have 463 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 5: that anymore. So they were stress testing. My understanding is 464 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 5: they were stress testing what they could get away with 465 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 5: since the elimination or the obliteration of Section five via 466 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 5: the gutting of Section four. If that's not true, I 467 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 5: will conceee the point. I just want to know what 468 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 5: the facts are now. 469 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: No, no, no, will we will for the sake of 470 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 2: this conversation and moving forward. 471 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 5: I can see the point, okay, But on this particular issue, 472 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 5: we have been blindsided essentially because North Carolina was a 473 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 5: trial and then they went after all of these other 474 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 5: seats and they're saying they're going to do that. So 475 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 5: the moment there is an equal, there's an action, there's 476 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 5: an equal reaction. There is a response from them that 477 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 5: they clearly have been planning for some time. There is 478 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 5: no plan on our side. So what the plan was 479 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 5: on our side is like, okay, everybody two years ago, 480 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 5: let's just do this fair. Let's make sure that we 481 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 5: have these commissions. To Congressman Thompson's point from Tunica this weekend, 482 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 5: it's no such thing as a bipartisan or nonpartisan commission. 483 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 5: Everybody has a leaning, even courts where they are supposed 484 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 5: to not be partisan at all, have a leaning of 485 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 5: political ideology, ideological leaning, and so it is a farce. 486 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 5: So the idea that we will be fair with these 487 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 5: independent commissions, it is not true. There's always a bias. 488 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 5: We saw that, we've seen it even in California. There 489 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 5: is a bias. 490 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: There is a bias. It is less than the one 491 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 2: that we can get under its current structure, but it's 492 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 2: the bias that we tolerate. So we're basically saying, okay, 493 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 2: if the governor is a Democrat and the governor gets 494 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 2: the fifteenth appointment as the tie breaker, we know that 495 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 2: if it comes down to the fifteenth appoint appointee that 496 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: it's likely going to go the way of the governor 497 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 2: that appointed would be the general thinking. 498 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 5: I guess what I'm saying is, I don't understand how 499 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 5: we could even possibly be having this conversation when Shelby 500 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 5: versus Holder was a case that went to the Supreme 501 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 5: Court in twenty thirteen. I don't understand how we could 502 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 5: possibly be having this conversation when this country just got 503 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 5: its first black president in two thousand and eight. I 504 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 5: don't understand how we could be having this conversation when 505 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,959 Speaker 5: the country just had its first black woman nominee last year, Like, 506 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 5: how are we having? 507 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: But none of that changed, None of that changed the 508 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 2: underlying motivations for what happens in this process. It is it. 509 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: It existed before Obama, and it has existed after. 510 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 5: No, no, no, I'm talking about the Freedom to Vote Act, 511 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 5: pushing it to be a nationwide thing that we would 512 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 5: cleave to, that we would gather around, that we support 513 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 5: when and I didn't even get to this part yet 514 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 5: when after President Obama was elected. Now, voting voter id 515 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 5: needs to become a thing. 516 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 4: Now. 517 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 5: Early voting days need to be cut. Now, Absentee voting needs. 518 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 2: To be. 519 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 4: Re litigated. And reviewed. 520 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 5: How can we possibly be talking about the independent commissions 521 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 5: when we're watching states introduce bills like these. 522 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 4: That's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. 523 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 5: I just think that we often let our wishful thinking 524 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 5: get in the way of our reality, and when we 525 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 5: do that, it puts our people in harm's way VISA 526 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 5: v suppressive efforts at the voting boosts, VISA be having 527 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 5: to prove your. 528 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 4: Citizenship and whether or not you live in the neighborhood 529 00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 4: you live. 530 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 5: Now, folks are an account provisional balance that may not 531 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 5: be counted if they don't get to that part. 532 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 2: The we you're talking about is invisible. I don't think 533 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 2: that the collective, the we that we're thinking of. I 534 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 2: think the conversation we're having is how we could would be, 535 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 2: how democrats could, how how fair minded and thinking electeds 536 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: might and in this case, it would be how democrats 537 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: could even consider post Shelby any of this. 538 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 5: I am not actually talking about Democrats, because I know 539 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 5: I am. When I say we, I'm always talking black. 540 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 5: So let me just let me just make sure I'm 541 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 5: very clear. I do not believe that people who have 542 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 5: constantly and continuously betrayed us will do the right thing 543 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 5: except for being pushed to do the right thing. 544 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 2: And example, I've seen mostly black legislators at the legislative 545 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 2: level have largely stood against these sort of utopic good 546 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 2: government redistricting commissions. There are some you can point out well, 547 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: But the point that I'm making is is that in 548 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 2: spite of that, the rules, the sacrifices that the political 549 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 2: parties have been able to make, and what loss they're 550 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: willing to endure has always been our loss, like their tolerance, 551 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 2: they're pain threshold. Always. Always, it's baked into the pie 552 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: that we're going to lose black representation, that there's a 553 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 2: likelihood that we will reduce black seats, we may even 554 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 2: obliterate them. But if we get a progressive then all 555 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 2: is failed. 556 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 4: I'm not okay with that. 557 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: Com I'm not okay with it either. I'm simply saying 558 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 2: that that is that's always, it's baked into the pie, 559 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: that there is no party love when it comes to that, 560 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 2: and I think it takes black people being the conscience 561 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: and basically saying, now, you realize that if such and 562 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: such had this seat over me, that we would be 563 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 2: negotiating against our sales on the most basic fundamental shit 564 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 2: that should be automatic for the people with whom I am, 565 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: I am representing and voicing for right now, right that 566 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: we know that, I know that there are people who 567 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: couldnot switch places with me as the mayor, and my 568 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 2: community could expect that they were going to ride as 569 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: hard on this, that and the third as I would. 570 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: I wouldn't risk it. All I'm saying is that largely 571 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: white liberals have tolerated the loss of what we all 572 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: know is going to be lost, which is representation and 573 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 2: community reflected representation. Right, they don't really care about that. 574 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 4: I don't they disagree. We don't disagree on that. 575 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 2: I think we do agree. I'm just saying there's nothing. 576 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 2: There's no revelation. Shelby wasn't the revelation for us to 577 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: know that. I'm saying we should have always known where 578 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 2: the sacrificial No. 579 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 5: Shelby wasn't the revelation. Shelby was the undoing, the gutting, 580 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 5: and then the voting rights, the very one that we 581 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 5: just celebrated the sixtieth anniversary for last week. I'm saying 582 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 5: that they codified what we always feared. That case shouldn't 583 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 5: have even gone to the Supreme court right, if we 584 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 5: could have prevented it. The idea that we don't need 585 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 5: voting rights preclearance protection just because we have a black 586 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 5: president was the beginning of a demise for us that 587 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 5: I think we're hardly ready to fight the trojan horse. 588 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 2: Okay, and Obama didn't mean to be the trojan horse, 589 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 2: by the way, he was not voluntarily the trojan horse. 590 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 2: But basically, white people said, if we can elect the 591 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 2: black president, we don't need preclearance. We don't need Alabama, Florida, 592 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: Georgia to have to have their stuff approved by some 593 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 2: judge district. Right. 594 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 4: It's a huge problem, Angela. 595 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 2: I think we agree here. I don't think there is real. 596 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 5: I agree now, But at first, when you were saying 597 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 5: we still need these commissions, I'm like, House, What. 598 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 2: No, all I'm saying is is I don't think right 599 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 2: now in this war is the time to do baited Yeah. 600 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 5: I guess maybe so. But here's what I do know. 601 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 5: So Tiff, don't swing on nobody else. We got to 602 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 5: be out. 603 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 4: So let's go ahead and pause this til next time. 604 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 4: Welcome home, y'all. 605 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 5: This is I don't know how many parts of this 606 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 5: we're going to do we are at war. We are 607 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 5: very clear about the assignment. 608 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 4: We understand it. 609 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 5: Make sure you tune into Native Lampod every week to 610 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 5: get your marching orders. 611 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 7: Okay, ready to get ready. 612 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 5: Native Lampod is a production of iHeart Radio in partnership 613 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 5: with Reison Choice Media. 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