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Speaker 1: Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and Bar Garcia and Derrek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: Good morning, guys, welcome to the Break today. There's no
Speaker 1: Derrik Eagleton, but we have mister Brian brought us here.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Does Brian Holls it feel to be back
Speaker 1: on a good show? Yeah? No, damn. Absolutely did miss you? Really?
Speaker 1: I missed you, guys, Yeah, I missed you. You really
Speaker 1: don't pull punches ever. Yeah. The average age of the show,
Speaker 1: do you know what a joke is? Yeah? The average
Speaker 1: age of my show is one hundred and five and
Speaker 1: this one is a lot less than absolutely absolutely all right.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get into the some of the guys
Speaker 1: that people people are asking about. One of them is
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee. He's been doing some work today. How is
Speaker 1: that looking for this weekend? I know, obviously it's kind
Speaker 1: of soon to tell, but as far as the things
Speaker 1: that you've been able to see out on the field
Speaker 1: and what he's been able to do so far, only
Speaker 1: practiced yesterday, is at practice again today. We always say,
Speaker 1: you know, you're the earlier in the week you're available,
Speaker 1: the better it is for your prospects of being available.
Speaker 1: So I feel kind of confident that he might be
Speaker 1: able to go. And what we've we've gone back and
Speaker 1: forth about what that means for the linebacker position and
Speaker 1: how they platoon all those guys. But I'm kind of
Speaker 1: leaning toward thinking he might be active. You know, usually
Speaker 1: you have like a situation where you got to buy week.
Speaker 1: I mean, you wouldn't think that you would play, but
Speaker 1: no one shan Lee and seeing what he's seeing out
Speaker 1: there on the field, with these two guys playing like
Speaker 1: they are, I think he wants to get back there
Speaker 1: as well. So he said it all along. If I'm healthy,
Speaker 1: I'm going to play, regardless the bias. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that it was very clear that Jason Garrett came out
Speaker 1: the other day, I think it was Monday, and was
Speaker 1: talking about there's only so many of these games, you know,
Speaker 1: there's only so many of these opportunities, And I think
Speaker 1: that was a really good hint that Sean was going
Speaker 1: to try and work his way through. I know on
Speaker 1: our periscope yesterday I said he's going to come and
Speaker 1: play and start, and I don't. I don't feel that
Speaker 1: any different today than I did, you know, so I'm
Speaker 1: going I'm gonna say that he's gonna be part of
Speaker 1: this rotation. He's likely gonna he's gonna start him and
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, and then they're gonna find ways to get him,
Speaker 1: Laton vander Esh, those guys all through are going to rotate.
Speaker 1: And I think at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be really good for Sean Lee because in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, when you need him in a game to
Speaker 1: come out and make a play, maybe to chase down
Speaker 1: a quarterback, to chase a ball, to knock a ball
Speaker 1: down fourth down, whatever he has to do, you'll have
Speaker 1: a fresh or Seawan Lee playing that way, and I
Speaker 1: think that's a good thing. I just want to stop
Speaker 1: and consider the fact that Dallas Cowboys might have have
Speaker 1: too many good linebackers, Like, what the hell happened? That's amazing.
Speaker 1: I can't even believe those words came out of my mouth,
Speaker 1: but it's true. You know what they've said. Problem they
Speaker 1: took a chance they took a chance though, really on
Speaker 1: one of them, on Jalen Smith. Helly, it took a
Speaker 1: huge chance on Jalen Smith. And you know, and point
Speaker 1: the finger at me as not wanting anything to do
Speaker 1: with Jalen Smith. But now you have a situation where
Speaker 1: you're saying, well, you know, everybody's thinking they drafted Layton
Speaker 1: vander esh to possibly play for Jalen Smith. It's not
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith. It's not like it's Sean Lee. But now, okay,
Speaker 1: they got through the time. I'm surprised, and I asked
Speaker 1: this question on our show the day. I am surprised
Speaker 1: how smoothly this this without Sean Lee has gone. And
Speaker 1: there's a lot of work up turnabout communication. I think
Speaker 1: that's talking. On the offense, it seems to be a problem,
Speaker 1: but on defense they haven't given a big place. They haven't.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm sitting there screaming for for you know,
Speaker 1: go out and get that guy from Seattle, go out
Speaker 1: and get her Thomas, because I was worried about Sean
Speaker 1: Lee being out of the lineup. Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like who's going to hold this thing together? But a
Speaker 1: rookie and a third year player are really holding this
Speaker 1: thing together. Plus you got what's going on up front
Speaker 1: with their rotation of their pass rush and their defensive line.
Speaker 1: So you know, count me as being not very smart
Speaker 1: thinking about what Jalen Smith could do. You know, I
Speaker 1: had some questions about Layton Vanderish some, but you know,
Speaker 1: they were smart. They knew what they needed to do
Speaker 1: to get through this, no doubt about it. Now you
Speaker 1: mentioned the line, and as far as some of these guys,
Speaker 1: Molly Collins, he's finally in full practice, it seems ready
Speaker 1: to go. Obviously played last game. Now as far as
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, he's still showing up as limited with the
Speaker 1: whole shoulder injury. Is this turning something into maybe that
Speaker 1: it's kind of concerning or just one of those things
Speaker 1: that you know, he's a tough guy. That's some kind
Speaker 1: of injury that he can keep playing through. He's gonna play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, yes, both because it's not going away. He's
Speaker 1: got a tear in his labor, I mean yeah, which
Speaker 1: is yeah, it's absolutely concerning. I think we talked about
Speaker 1: that on Monday or Tuesday. It is just that I
Speaker 1: have no doubt he's gonna fight through it, but he
Speaker 1: fought through it. He fought through a shoulder issue in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen and it's severely limited his ability. So I'm
Speaker 1: not ready to say that we're going to see a
Speaker 1: severe drop off. He's still been you know, even he's
Speaker 1: been he's impacted these last two games. He hasn't had
Speaker 1: the sacks, but he's been there. So I'm not ready
Speaker 1: to say he's gonna disappear, but it seems like something
Speaker 1: he's gonna He's gonna be fighting it all year, and
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, it sucks for him, Okay.
Speaker 1: And then the last guy I want to talk about,
Speaker 1: Cheeto Cheetah ba Wooziah is still struggling there with the
Speaker 1: ankle injury limited how I mean, based on what we saw,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis kind of stepping in. Are you feeling kind
Speaker 1: of okay with Okay, let's just leave Cheeta off to
Speaker 1: the side, let him recover with the amount of time
Speaker 1: he needs, and you're okay with Jordan. I think it's
Speaker 1: this front seven is playing so well right now, especially
Speaker 1: the linebackers. But the front seven is playing well. And
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to discredit what Jordan Lewis has done
Speaker 1: or even Cheeto and Byron is playing great. But I
Speaker 1: do think that they're playing so well together up front
Speaker 1: that they're allowing these guys to step in. Jordan can
Speaker 1: come in, he can make plays, he can pick up
Speaker 1: a fumble, he can do some good things. Um, I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna need Cheeto obviously, from they're gonna have.
Speaker 1: They're gonna go against them, the Matt Ryans and Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz and all those guys. But I think right now
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's going well and the confidence of
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis it seems to be a raised that's a
Speaker 1: good thing too. I think when Cheeto is one hundred
Speaker 1: percent he comes back into the mix, it's probably a
Speaker 1: good thing right now. Yeah, I think they were worried
Speaker 1: about I mean, I met person. I was worried about
Speaker 1: them losing Jordan Lewis. I really was like I was
Speaker 1: losing them him mentally, like being being having the fire
Speaker 1: in his gut to continue to play. You know, Chris Rushard.
Speaker 1: It might have been the best thing in the world
Speaker 1: ever for Byron Jones, for Chris Richard to come in,
Speaker 1: because he saw something in him that nobody else had seen.
Speaker 1: In him, so hey play him at right corner. But
Speaker 1: what else did he do? He said, well, you know what,
Speaker 1: I would rather play with Anthony Brown than I would
Speaker 1: with Jordan Lewis. And so all of a sudden, now
Speaker 1: and you know, here's Jordan Lewis. He played fourteen games
Speaker 1: for it. I think he made seven starts for you
Speaker 1: last year, and all of a sudden, now he's your
Speaker 1: fourth best corner, you know, and that that was a big,
Speaker 1: big switch for him to have to But I think
Speaker 1: this game, you know, they threw him in the dime
Speaker 1: package into against Detroit and he got beat, you know,
Speaker 1: on that play, and that's going to happen. But then
Speaker 1: they didn't play him the rest of the time. You're thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: well here we go. They're not going to play him anymore.
Speaker 1: But you know, he got a lot of work last
Speaker 1: week practicing because the woozier, as you said, Ambro was
Speaker 1: not ready to go. And so he's he played with
Speaker 1: some confidence in practice, played with some confidence in the game,
Speaker 1: and it looks like that he's back to the guy
Speaker 1: that we kind of saw a little bit last year
Speaker 1: and not this guy that's kind of wandering around without
Speaker 1: a rudder out in the water somewhere, just waiting to
Speaker 1: hit land. And what helps him, I think is kind
Speaker 1: of his personality, to his attitude. You know, he's not
Speaker 1: an example the Orlando's can Drake type of behavior locker rooms, though.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm sure we're all glad to see that
Speaker 1: he was able to step in and take advantage of
Speaker 1: those reps. Now, Dave, let's get into the Redskins defense. Now. Oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do that right now. Okay, you always like you.
Speaker 1: It's I like how you mix it up. I never know,
Speaker 1: I never know when you're gonna spring that all. You
Speaker 1: gotta go on the fly. You did it at the
Speaker 1: top of the show one time, and you waited for
Speaker 1: the first break one time. But yeah, okay, we can
Speaker 1: do that right. Well, we have time, we have a
Speaker 1: little time before we go into break. Nick is gonna
Speaker 1: step out for a little bit, so let's just start
Speaker 1: off with the interview the owner. That's probably more important
Speaker 1: than talking to us, maybe, Okay, no, yeah, let's get
Speaker 1: into it. Um. It's funny because it's a different scheme,
Speaker 1: but the Cowboys and the Redskins just remind me so
Speaker 1: much of each other. Like, this looks familiar to me
Speaker 1: looking at them, So it's a three four defense. I
Speaker 1: don't think I really buy that. They look just as
Speaker 1: much four three as three four. To me, Ryan Karragan
Speaker 1: and Preston Smith played down just as much as they
Speaker 1: play up. And this is a big front. Like we
Speaker 1: talked last week about how athletic the Jags are, and
Speaker 1: obviously all NFL players are athletic, but this is this
Speaker 1: is size. That's the last thing I was just looking
Speaker 1: at before you threw it over to me is Durron
Speaker 1: Payne and Jonathan Allen are the centerpiece of this thing.
Speaker 1: These first round picks they've taken the last two years
Speaker 1: six three three twenty and sixty three three hundred, and
Speaker 1: they move with alarming athleticism, like Jonathan Allen and Durn
Speaker 1: Payne routinely make plays at the numbers even though they're
Speaker 1: freaking gigantic. And then you got Preston Smith who's six
Speaker 1: five to eighty and Ryan Karragan is the smallest guy
Speaker 1: at six four two sixties. So this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of beef for the Cowboys off pensive line
Speaker 1: to handle. And behind them again, you say three four,
Speaker 1: but Kerrigan and Preston Smith are basically ends. I don't
Speaker 1: really consider them linebackers. So you've got much like Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith and Layton Vanderesh or Shawn Lee. You got two
Speaker 1: middle linebackers behind that front that make every tackle that
Speaker 1: they miss in Mason Foster and Zach Brown. Yep, I
Speaker 1: don't think that there is Again, I don't think they're
Speaker 1: as freakishly athletic as Jalen or Vanderesh, but they appreciate
Speaker 1: I appreciate this positive reinforcement. Um. They they're instinctive players
Speaker 1: though like they make tackles, they diagnose plays like I said,
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't jump off the screen at you
Speaker 1: the way Jalen Smith does in my opinion, but they're
Speaker 1: always where they're supposed to be. Um, if you had
Speaker 1: to rate them compared to what the Cowboys have faced
Speaker 1: so far, they're not as I struggle to say, they're
Speaker 1: not as good. They're not as athletic as you say.
Speaker 1: You're saying the front seven or just front seven. That's
Speaker 1: a good question. That is a really good that's a
Speaker 1: good dick, and I'm gonna answer that when he gets
Speaker 1: all right, let me let me just go down the line. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think they're as good as Carolina. I don't
Speaker 1: think they're they're better than New York, especially when you
Speaker 1: consider that Olivier Vernon didn't play in that game. They're
Speaker 1: better than the Seahawks current incarnation probably debatable. Um. Week four,
Speaker 1: they're better than Detroit overall. I think they're probably better
Speaker 1: than Houston. And I know it's all about the pass rushers.
Speaker 1: That's where I think it's very similar. Yeah, that's where
Speaker 1: I think we I think we were really you know,
Speaker 1: you think they're better than Jacksonville just the front. No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think they're better than Jacksonville. Are you saying
Speaker 1: there like Houston because of the size. I'm saying because
Speaker 1: of the size, and I'm saying because the slinky play,
Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm talking about the linebackers. What gave
Speaker 1: the Cowboys trouble in that Houston game. It was that
Speaker 1: guys at number ninety kind of moving around and doing
Speaker 1: different things. But that's kind of I don't see that
Speaker 1: guy here. Oh, Preston Smith can be that guy. Preston Smith.
Speaker 1: I think Preston Smith is one of their most underrated players.
Speaker 1: I heard you say that yesterday. Yeah, I think he
Speaker 1: is one of the most underrated players and a number
Speaker 1: ninety four, and you watch him play, and these guys
Speaker 1: had the Billy where And this is why I asked
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett this question today Dave and the walk off
Speaker 1: about the three four and the four to three. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, we all want them to do more read option.
Speaker 1: We want them to let Dak run the ball. Is
Speaker 1: there going to be a difference for this offense to
Speaker 1: have to play against up front? That is, you know,
Speaker 1: in three to four in scheme, but you know, but
Speaker 1: they show some four three tendencies, you know, is it different?
Speaker 1: It's different from having to block outside linebackers standing up
Speaker 1: than it is having to block defensive ends that are down.
Speaker 1: And so that's where I'm kind of thinking, which will
Speaker 1: will Houston excuse me to say, well, well, well, well Washington,
Speaker 1: look at what Hughes did scheme wise, and try and
Speaker 1: affect the Cowboys running game that way. My counter to
Speaker 1: that is and that you know, you go back and
Speaker 1: watch the film of this, and you know, the New
Speaker 1: Orleans Saints absolutely demolished this defense rolling the ball. Though No,
Speaker 1: I basically I don't care about that because the Cowboys
Speaker 1: aren't going to play that way Drew Brees. They don't.
Speaker 1: But shockingly, the Carolina Panthers, if they don't get in
Speaker 1: a seventeen nothing hole right out of the gate in
Speaker 1: that game, they Yes, they had some success running stuff
Speaker 1: the Cowboys like to do. Yes, kid, that's where I'm seeing,
Speaker 1: you know. I think that that if you're you know,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're Greg Manuski, who's the defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: for Washington, I think you have to look at games
Speaker 1: where people were able to control Dallas from running the football.
Speaker 1: I think that's the kind of the thought that, now,
Speaker 1: do you have the personnel to do that? I think
Speaker 1: Washington does have the personnel to play with the heavy
Speaker 1: the heavy techniques inside, I would agree. I think they
Speaker 1: have the length and the and the power on the
Speaker 1: outside with the with the two outside linebackers. And now
Speaker 1: it's gonna come down can those inside linebackers as great players?
Speaker 1: Can they make plays if you're running the ball. I
Speaker 1: just if I'm if I'm a Newski, I am not
Speaker 1: letting Dallas run this football and I'm not letting Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley beat me throwing the ball. But to that point,
Speaker 1: we saw the read option. Yeah, plenty of success against
Speaker 1: the Jags. Yes, we saw Carolina do it to these
Speaker 1: guys too, right, And I mean, I think Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: needs to be ready to take a beating in this
Speaker 1: game because I think he's gonna have to. Are we
Speaker 1: okay with that? We all we all made a determination.
Speaker 1: I know, I do stuff with a show with her
Speaker 1: and we're like, hey, yes, yes, yes, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. If you've you know, it's it's too for
Speaker 1: this offense to move. They're gonna have to have Dak
Speaker 1: play that way. Yes, they cannot. You're you're you're you're
Speaker 1: playing with him. Just throwing the football is not the
Speaker 1: is not gonna win you this game. Between between Alan
Speaker 1: and Payne and then the linebackers there, like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: completely think that they can limit Zeke and what they're
Speaker 1: thinking about four point one to carry there. And they're
Speaker 1: sixth in the league in rushing defense too. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that they have what it takes to stop them
Speaker 1: from just ramming the ball down the which is why, yeah,
Speaker 1: Dak's there's gonna have to be an element of misdirection
Speaker 1: and Dak being willing to keep the ball to keep
Speaker 1: them off back Carolina was a great precursor to what
Speaker 1: they're gonna see this week. In my opinion, Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: if you talk about like I believe New England is
Speaker 1: playing the Bears. They played the Bears, right, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: played Kansas City last week. So you sometimes you get
Speaker 1: schemes that carry over the week the week. Really Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good point, and so I think you're gonna
Speaker 1: get a carry over schemes. They get to talk football
Speaker 1: when I'm on your show, and so you know, it's
Speaker 1: but it's scheme to scheme, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So if if Greg Manuski again, he's gonna look at
Speaker 1: that film and say, Okay, how did Carolina hurt us?
Speaker 1: How did they hurt us running the football? And you're right, though,
Speaker 1: that's seventeen and nothing. Lead was huge because it made
Speaker 1: Carolina pretty one dimensional. Yeah, they had to get away
Speaker 1: from they had to get away from everything. But you know,
Speaker 1: look what Dallas has done, say, the last four week
Speaker 1: meetings they've had even I mean last year the two
Speaker 1: games weren't even close, and they weren't even close, especially
Speaker 1: the one here. Yeah, So I mean I just kind
Speaker 1: of think that, you know, but there was no Travis Frederick,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just there's some things that kind
Speaker 1: of make you a little bit nervous about this offense.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. I mean, I cheated because
Speaker 1: I edit your matchup story every week, so I know,
Speaker 1: I know that you think that they're going to take
Speaker 1: or try to take Cole Beasley away, which why wouldn't
Speaker 1: they after what Cole Beasley did? And I think there's
Speaker 1: precedent for it. I thought it was really funny that
Speaker 1: I think Jerry it was Jerry Jones that kind of
Speaker 1: compared what Beasley did against the Jags to what Witten
Speaker 1: has been for this offense. Right, well, the Redskins spent
Speaker 1: all day last Sunday taking Greg Olsen out of Carolina's offense.
Speaker 1: God opened up a couple of times if they missed
Speaker 1: him on some overthrown cam cam missed him, but basically
Speaker 1: every time he went down field, he had a guy there.
Speaker 1: He had a safety over the top or a linebacker
Speaker 1: trail in the play. And I would imagine it's going
Speaker 1: to be something similar for Cole Beasley. Which my question is,
Speaker 1: I assume Cole Beasley is going to have his work
Speaker 1: cut out for him. Do you think that somebody else
Speaker 1: in this offense can make plays against this secondary because
Speaker 1: I know that break, We're gonna take this question too.
Speaker 1: I think you got an answer for this one too. Well.
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Speaker 1: the Break. All right, we are back, Dave. Do you
Speaker 1: want to ask that question again? Ah? Yeah, I can
Speaker 1: do that. Um. So we talked about the Redskins. Are
Speaker 1: I would assume probably going to try to double Cole Beasley?
Speaker 1: I would think that's going to happen. Yeah. Do you
Speaker 1: think somebody else in this passing game can hurt them
Speaker 1: for doing that? Which is not something we've really seen. No,
Speaker 1: through six weeks and we have not. We have not.
Speaker 1: He wants wants No, No, I'm interested. Well, I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: there hasn't been anyone to give you that or make
Speaker 1: you think that way as of right now. And the
Speaker 1: only guy that would come to mind is Michael Gallup.
Speaker 1: As far as other than him, there has not been
Speaker 1: anyone else that has received as many opportunities, I would say,
Speaker 1: or as many chances to make something out of it.
Speaker 1: But even then he hasn't been great. We've seen flashes
Speaker 1: of him making plays and catching the ball. We know
Speaker 1: he can do that. He just hasn't done it often enough,
Speaker 1: so I don't think he can really be affected that.
Speaker 1: I would like to believe that. I would like to
Speaker 1: believe that she's right. And my my, you know, you
Speaker 1: can't have Colbes with nine catches and then everybody else
Speaker 1: with one. I mean that this that I mean even
Speaker 1: though they won the game that way, they won the
Speaker 1: game because their ability to run the football. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott sped in with eighty yards and then you
Speaker 1: got another hundred from Zeke. Anytime chipping in, anytime eighty
Speaker 1: yards is chipping in? Well you don't. Yeah, not every
Speaker 1: week you're gonna think your quarterback's gonna run for eighty yards.
Speaker 1: But now I agree with m bar and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out, though, Okay, who else do you do
Speaker 1: you get Jeff Swain involved? Does he become now a
Speaker 1: guy And I'm not just talking about the waggles and
Speaker 1: the boots and things like that. I'm talking about do
Speaker 1: you try and get him into the passing game with
Speaker 1: us some of this? We saw him catch the out
Speaker 1: the other day. You know, it was a big play. Nice,
Speaker 1: you know, he's got an ability to kind of not
Speaker 1: kind of he gets himself open, but do you find
Speaker 1: ways to implement him more in the offense with and
Speaker 1: so you can get Beasley and Gallop and then Swain
Speaker 1: and then now you're throwing the screens and stuff to
Speaker 1: the outside or the or the passes you try and
Speaker 1: get to Zeke. I genuinely don't care. It just needs
Speaker 1: to be somebody, somebody Well, okay, oh you're not well,
Speaker 1: you guys are not wrong at all. Fabian Moreau is
Speaker 1: there in their nickel corner. Yes, so you guy, you
Speaker 1: really like u CLA, you would have you know, he's
Speaker 1: Beasley's guy, and they're gonna do what they can to
Speaker 1: help him, whether it's a linebacker or a safety. I
Speaker 1: don't think Dj Sweringer is that he loves to hit.
Speaker 1: Not that guy aggressive. He's not a great guy. I
Speaker 1: don't really think Monte Nicholson is that impressive either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna they're gonna think
Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, They're gonna the Redskins are gonna say, Okay,
Speaker 1: well he's good enough to help, you know, And I
Speaker 1: maybe he is. Yeah, And I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: more involvably with the linebackers because Beasley's where's the damage
Speaker 1: that Beasley's been can do in the middle of the field,
Speaker 1: the middle of the field underneath. You have to find ways.
Speaker 1: Now this team plays a ton of his own defense.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're going to do that against the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and give Beasley free access in these routes because
Speaker 1: if they do that, he will wear them out. There's
Speaker 1: no question about that. What and you about Quentin Dunbar
Speaker 1: earlier this week too, He's I wrote, he's over he's
Speaker 1: overly aggressive, way over. Get right for the double moves
Speaker 1: there or even whatever like play action or anything you
Speaker 1: can do to deceive him. I think it works. So
Speaker 1: basically my point is, and even uh, he's a good player.
Speaker 1: But Devin Funchius gave Josh Norman some work last week,
Speaker 1: like this isn't amazing. Yeah, this is where it's gonna
Speaker 1: come down to. Because that's why I thought Houston was
Speaker 1: more like this team, because good defensive front, questions in
Speaker 1: the secondary, you know, yeah, that's where you know what
Speaker 1: did Dallas do? They didn't protect well enough in the
Speaker 1: Houston game, and you and they weren't able to take
Speaker 1: advantage of the secondary. But you think that the Redskins
Speaker 1: are just as good as the Texans. I think up front, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think up front they present. They don't have the
Speaker 1: pass rusher, but but they don't rush. They don't rush
Speaker 1: the passer. They've only got They have twelve sacks on there,
Speaker 1: and they didn't get a ton of pressure on Cam New.
Speaker 1: But you hold the ball. This guy holds the ball
Speaker 1: a little bit. Maybe he shouldn't. Yeah, well, here here's
Speaker 1: a friend question for you guys. And after hearing how
Speaker 1: the Redskins defense is, and I believe that part of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys success offensively comes from the ability to use
Speaker 1: different elements, whether it's Dak running the ball or giving
Speaker 1: the ball to see throwing passes. What is something that
Speaker 1: they're going to have to rely the most in this
Speaker 1: specific game facing this defense. Because you talked about them
Speaker 1: kind of limiting the running game a little bit, and
Speaker 1: then we talked about the passes and stuff. What would
Speaker 1: be the one thing that you could trust them to
Speaker 1: actually do and be successful at in this game? Well,
Speaker 1: you know Stephen Jones was talking about I just talked
Speaker 1: to Stephen. He said the biggest play of the game
Speaker 1: in his mind was a deep ball to Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: that was incomplete. Yeah, he thought that play was just
Speaker 1: taking a shot. So I asked him, I said, all right, now,
Speaker 1: Tavon's not going to be here this week, what or
Speaker 1: maybe in a few weeks. And he said, Deonte Thompson
Speaker 1: is we got to utilize his speed. We've got to
Speaker 1: get his speed involved. Didn't mean get him involved, get
Speaker 1: his speed involved. Also he said Bryce might be a
Speaker 1: part of that as well. But but I just think
Speaker 1: that being said of what he said, I think we
Speaker 1: have to he said, we have to continue to take
Speaker 1: shots down the field, whether or not you're completing those
Speaker 1: passes or not, which then goes back to your question.
Speaker 1: They got to run the football, of course, but how
Speaker 1: to do that, how to back him off? How to
Speaker 1: get these aggressive guys to bite. I think they're going
Speaker 1: to see some deep balls, even if they're completed or not.
Speaker 1: He's good playing and that's scenario. Who do you trust
Speaker 1: more at this point, Deonta Thompson or Bryce Bowler, Although
Speaker 1: we haven't seen year. That's a good question. It is
Speaker 1: a great question. But you know what I'll throw out
Speaker 1: a third guy in there. But I'm throwing galloping. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the thing with Gallup? I mean, the one thing
Speaker 1: that we've seen with Gallup is he might be running,
Speaker 1: run and running, then all of sudden you see at
Speaker 1: the very end there's that separation. Where Gallup has had
Speaker 1: a little bit of some problems. Is the seeing the
Speaker 1: ball over his head. You know, when he's having to
Speaker 1: fight track it a flight of the ball. So you
Speaker 1: know when they put the ball on him like they
Speaker 1: did in San Francisco, man, you can you can have
Speaker 1: some big plays there. But and he mentioned him as
Speaker 1: well like that that he's a long strider, and I
Speaker 1: think I think, I think that, Yeah, I think Michael
Speaker 1: Gallop has to be I think Michael Gallup has to
Speaker 1: be a guy if he if he has seven targets
Speaker 1: and forum or catches, I'm okay with that because I know,
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a day we ate seven targets
Speaker 1: on the year. Well, that's what I'm saying though. That's
Speaker 1: where that's where if I asked if I was sitting
Speaker 1: in the box with Scott Linahan, I would say thirteen,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I'd click over if I's Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know, hey, you got something for thirteen there,
Speaker 1: you got something for him. You know you got something.
Speaker 1: I would just keep reminding him that. You know, this
Speaker 1: guy has that kind of ability. We saw what he
Speaker 1: was able to mean, he if he comes down with
Speaker 1: that ball in the end zone. I mean that ball
Speaker 1: was looked like it was going over his head and
Speaker 1: he goes up there and gets it and he everything,
Speaker 1: he did everything right but his foot coming down and
Speaker 1: hitting the back of his other foot. But that's because
Speaker 1: he hung in the air for like five seconds to
Speaker 1: catch it. Yeah, you know you can't. You can't coach
Speaker 1: that stuff. It sounds like wishful thinking because we haven't
Speaker 1: seen it on any kind of consistent basis. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like they need somebody needs to win out by the numbers,
Speaker 1: like on a consistent basis to the point, because we
Speaker 1: think they're gonna take Cole Beasley away and we think
Speaker 1: they have the personnel to stop Seeke. So what I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you do otherwise? See that's where I was
Speaker 1: kind of like hitting a little bit about Jeff Swain,
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe okay, it turns into simple passes
Speaker 1: to just swin that's what it takes seven or eight
Speaker 1: yard and then he you know, we've seen him when
Speaker 1: he's got the balls in And I'm not just talking
Speaker 1: about the waggles and the boots we were moving the pocket.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about fine ways to hit him and let him,
Speaker 1: you know, eight yards. I don't I don't want to
Speaker 1: play second in two right there. I don't want to compare.
Speaker 1: I don't want to compare Jeff Swain to Jordan Read
Speaker 1: because Reads one of them. When he's healthy, he's one
Speaker 1: of the best Titans in football. But like half the
Speaker 1: stuff they do with him is just him sitting down
Speaker 1: in the zone. I mean, you know, the classic Jason
Speaker 1: Witton stuff, right, Alex Smith loves to check it down.
Speaker 1: That's fine, Yeah, that's fine with me. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know they gotta because I just I straight up,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna let Cole Beasley do what he did
Speaker 1: last week. There's I don't think he can. There's too
Speaker 1: much beef on this defense to think Zeke is gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, just power his way to this. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: unless you can pass enough to back them off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some of the plays they made last week in the game,
Speaker 1: that's what was the play they went to Gallup that
Speaker 1: was third and nine. I mean they had a lot
Speaker 1: of third and nine or third and whatever plays they
Speaker 1: had to make in that game. Yeah, So I don't
Speaker 1: know if you want to continually live that way because
Speaker 1: they hadn't been very good on third down but for
Speaker 1: last week right around forty one percent. So but I
Speaker 1: just don't I just don't see. There was a question
Speaker 1: that was posed, Um, I guess through the website and
Speaker 1: the fans that are watching the show right now, is
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley the biggest the Cowboys biggest threatnin voted non
Speaker 1: voted yes. So did they did they have a Oh,
Speaker 1: I have it too. So they don't have an answer, though,
Speaker 1: I mean I agree in the passing game or on offense.
Speaker 1: In the passing game, I would guess because common sense
Speaker 1: says Zeke is your biggest threat. But at first I
Speaker 1: had looked when I looked at the numbers, I thought
Speaker 1: that eight nine. I said yes, and I was like,
Speaker 1: very very I was gonna be very surprised after just
Speaker 1: one game by people saying that. But clearly Cole is
Speaker 1: one of those guys and one of those elements that
Speaker 1: could really help the Cowboys offense get moving and we
Speaker 1: saw it in two sixteen. I want to see it
Speaker 1: this week. I want to see it after nine catches.
Speaker 1: I want to see him come back. And yeah, that
Speaker 1: would be amazing because because they're gonna try to stop him.
Speaker 1: You know, he had one catch the week before, but
Speaker 1: because that's what I'm still wondering if he can do
Speaker 1: and they really want to focus on him and you
Speaker 1: I mean, because teams want to focus on Antonio Brown. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he still makes plays. Yeah, focus, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: compare him. I'm just saying, well, they try to shut
Speaker 1: him down and that you know he's in a on
Speaker 1: track year. That would be a hell of a chase
Speaker 1: statement for his next contract. Garrett always talks about this.
Speaker 1: He's always this, if they want to take you out
Speaker 1: of a game, they'll take you out of a game.
Speaker 1: But that's where to Ambar's question, that's okay, who else?
Speaker 1: Who else is gonna step? Yeah? Yeah? Who who else
Speaker 1: is going to get nine targets and make seven catches?
Speaker 1: You know who if if Cole Beasley gets two catches,
Speaker 1: but you know, Michael Gallup or Thompson or whoever catches
Speaker 1: seven balls and it turns into you know, near one
Speaker 1: hundred yard day, then then you're gonna make people have
Speaker 1: to back off covering Cole Beasley. I think I've probably
Speaker 1: brought it up on this show before, but I just
Speaker 1: have this vivid memory of OTA's and Gary Brown was like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we know we're gonna be dealing with stack boxes, but
Speaker 1: we've got we've got some guys here and we know
Speaker 1: that they feel disrespected and when they start winning things
Speaker 1: on the outside, that'll change. Well, yeah, we're halfway through
Speaker 1: the season and that has not happened yet. No, and
Speaker 1: it needs to if this offense is going to achieve
Speaker 1: any type of consistency. Well let's take our final break.
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Speaker 1: back to the break, we are back on the final
Speaker 1: segment of the break. The voting actually happens through the
Speaker 1: Cowboys app, so if you don't have it downloaded and
Speaker 1: be part of this show with your voting. So the
Speaker 1: question was which wide receiver needs to be the most involved?
Speaker 1: Who would you guess fans voted for. Oh, they've got
Speaker 1: to vote for Gallup. I believe Michael Gallop. Michael Gallup,
Speaker 1: which takes on the lead with fifty two percent. Oh
Speaker 1: that's interesting. But now we have Alan Hearns at forty percent.
Speaker 1: I'd be all right too. I would feel I'd have
Speaker 1: an easier time defending Hearns if I mean, he probably
Speaker 1: should have had a touchdown last week by Oh, Bryce,
Speaker 1: I've gotten tired of trying to right now. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: gotten tired of trying to promote him because every time
Speaker 1: I think that he's going to be a part of
Speaker 1: the operation, something happens to close Yeah, he's standing behind
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns telling you why the receiver shouldn't get pretty
Speaker 1: game cheer leader. He got a lot of FaceTime and yeah,
Speaker 1: the game of the day. I wouldn't mind seeing Hearns
Speaker 1: get more involved. I said, I said last week that
Speaker 1: good stuff happens when you throw it to him more
Speaker 1: often than not. All I mean, like I said, I mean,
Speaker 1: Dak gave him a pretty well placed ball that he
Speaker 1: might have had for a touchdown if he hadn't lost
Speaker 1: it in the lights the other day. But other than that, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, Terrence Williams am I A. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think I'll ever fully understand how that, I mean,
Speaker 1: why was wrong about him? Yeah, you and me both
Speaker 1: way wrong about him? After Terrence uh Tavon Austin is
Speaker 1: a guy that I've been screaming needs to be more involved,
Speaker 1: and now he's unavailable. So who's left but gallup as
Speaker 1: he Detay Thompson Stevens something there. He's a great guy
Speaker 1: and he's got a valuable skill set. But like he
Speaker 1: he's never intrigued me the way that he intrigued other
Speaker 1: Can I ask a question, okay, if say that you
Speaker 1: talked about Austin if he, in fact is in eight
Speaker 1: week injury, you know, or needs to go in I
Speaker 1: R who would you rather have up in that spot?
Speaker 1: Would you rather have Brown comeback? Or Lance Lenore? Noah Brown?
Speaker 1: This is the Noah Brown fan club over here on
Speaker 1: this side of the table, So really, yes, Well I
Speaker 1: don't know about a Brown oh those two. Yes, for sure.
Speaker 1: I've seen way more out of him. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I've just I've never been a big Lance guy. He's
Speaker 1: done nothing but catch balls and make touchdowns and done everything.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I just feel like everyone
Speaker 1: when though, when when is it that you see that happening? Though? Summer? Okay,
Speaker 1: exactly exact when we're all in Oxnard, Noah Brown. That's
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I would love to fight for Lance Lenore,
Speaker 1: But it's hard to fight when you know you're saying
Speaker 1: you see him, You're like, this guy might make some
Speaker 1: plays and then all of a sudden, the lights come
Speaker 1: on and you're like, where do you go? You know,
Speaker 1: it's like you don't Anderson, he kind of came in
Speaker 1: why not? He came in Layton training camp and just
Speaker 1: kind of made a play every time he got he
Speaker 1: got the chance. I think it's gonna come down to
Speaker 1: personally Lance. I don't think they're gonna I think if
Speaker 1: they had to make a switch, they would go with Brown.
Speaker 1: I think Brown has a body. They brought back Bryce
Speaker 1: Butler instead of elevating Lance Lenore. That's really all you
Speaker 1: need to know Noah Brown. You know, but one point,
Speaker 1: people want des back so much like how many times
Speaker 1: did you confuse Noah Brown for Deaz last year? They
Speaker 1: look the same and with their ridiculous insistence on you know,
Speaker 1: running crackback blocks with their receivers against defensive ends. Noah
Speaker 1: Brown can actually do that. He did it all last year,
Speaker 1: so he can help you in the run game. And
Speaker 1: he's got that you know, freaky box out physical body type.
Speaker 1: I who knows if he'll actually be as good as
Speaker 1: I think he could be. Probably not. Can he come back?
Speaker 1: He can practice today? I think they're gonna wait, No,
Speaker 1: he's not out there today. No, they're gonna wait and
Speaker 1: see if what's up with Austin. But he can't play
Speaker 1: until week after week eight, right, some week nine whatever week,
Speaker 1: So that's this is seven bye week is eight, So
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be able to play until after the Titans game.
Speaker 1: That's a guy that I definitely want to see on
Speaker 1: the field and give it a chance at least. But
Speaker 1: it might be it might be the like I said,
Speaker 1: I've tried to think about, Okay, what does this team need?
Speaker 1: It needs a like a big body guy to go
Speaker 1: get the football. I mean that's I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen they're not good. They didn't do anything with Austin.
Speaker 1: That's one of those ones are gonna look back on
Speaker 1: and someone's gonna go. Amber made us answer this yesterday, Brian,
Speaker 1: you weren't here, would you go get a Mark Cooper?
Speaker 1: You know I've hearn that Mark Cooper doesn't like football.
Speaker 1: I heard you say that on twit. Yeah, and and
Speaker 1: that's coming from some Raider guys. So I mean, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I I know John Gruden
Speaker 1: is trying to get rid of Reggie McKenzie too. He's
Speaker 1: trying to get rid of all his players. Heard of
Speaker 1: that about other guys. I've heard that about Tacco when
Speaker 1: he first got here. I don't even know where I
Speaker 1: heard it from, but I heard it. Guys who don't
Speaker 1: like football can still be good if no, no, there's
Speaker 1: no question, but the thing that would make you think,
Speaker 1: you know, okay, maybe a change in scenery would be
Speaker 1: good for the guy. But okay, do you what do
Speaker 1: you give up? Do you're gonna give up your one?
Speaker 1: And that's what they're gonna ask you for, give up
Speaker 1: your two. I would give up a two. I would
Speaker 1: not up a one and give up anything. Now, see,
Speaker 1: you want to see brown player, right, Hey, why not?
Speaker 1: I'm just saying at this point, it's not like I
Speaker 1: don't think a player like him, she's about to make
Speaker 1: a really good she's about to make a good point here,
Speaker 1: would actually make a huge change on this offer. Could
Speaker 1: they Could a player like that, a player like that
Speaker 1: thrive in this current the way they throw the football,
Speaker 1: And that's I'm not I think that's the direction you were.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that that's the direction pretty much. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't like football, or you've done something to let people
Speaker 1: think that you don't. Yeah, this isn't a great place,
Speaker 1: a great offense for it. There's gonna be some games
Speaker 1: where you get one or two catches. Look at yeah,
Speaker 1: Alan Hurns, Alan Hearns get stepped up and said, listen,
Speaker 1: stop pointing the finger. At me. You know, there's other
Speaker 1: problems on this team. There's there's very few receivers that
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that they would like elevate this thing, just
Speaker 1: with the way the Cowboys play football, with the way
Speaker 1: they've protected and the way that has played in most
Speaker 1: of the sames. But what would would a big time
Speaker 1: receiver be able to thrive in this Yesterday, go around
Speaker 1: the room and pick a guy you want to have
Speaker 1: on this team, and he went with Thomas for I
Speaker 1: don't even and I picked him, I just says des
Speaker 1: Kent says death. That's what Kent says, Dez. I don't.
Speaker 1: Oh you didn't hear you did's headphones on? Sorry you don't.
Speaker 1: I forgot. Who would you go, Brian? If I could
Speaker 1: go pick somebody, Yeah, I think I would. I would
Speaker 1: probably go with Thomas from the Saints myself. I would.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I like watching him play, I really do.
Speaker 1: I think he just one of those guys that just
Speaker 1: can go. Now people say the guy in Atlanta, okay guy,
Speaker 1: and you know to guy guy in Pittsburgh. At the
Speaker 1: risk of just repeating the conversation we already had yesterday,
Speaker 1: but don't you I mean Okay, maybe Amari Cooper can't
Speaker 1: help the offense. But like for a second or third
Speaker 1: round pick, don't you think that's a small enough price
Speaker 1: to be worth it. Oh sure, there's no question it's
Speaker 1: worth it. But is it worth it because is it
Speaker 1: gonna work out? But that's it gonna work out? Because
Speaker 1: is you get this thing broke because the receiver or
Speaker 1: is it broke because the scheme? Everything right, everything with
Speaker 1: with you know, the safety. You knew that he could
Speaker 1: come in, Oh yeah, play in this system and it
Speaker 1: was a position of need and he could go in
Speaker 1: and help these guys. But I don't know about a
Speaker 1: second rounder for that's for him. I wouldn't and that's
Speaker 1: why I wouldn't give up a first rounder. But a
Speaker 1: second rounder. I mean, I'm gonna risk that on a
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith or Randy Gregory anyway, and maybe it'll work out.
Speaker 1: But you get twenty six games out of him bare minimum,
Speaker 1: or he plays well enough that you extend him your
Speaker 1: second round pick is worth twelve million dollars. That's true. Actually,
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing the two because there are obviously two
Speaker 1: different players. But it's like when you look at a
Speaker 1: guy like Tavon Austin and all the things that we
Speaker 1: talked about him previous to starting playing games. Here, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you have this guy with these kind of talents and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys still havn't really used him in a positive way.
Speaker 1: Are you actually profiting out of it? And I don't
Speaker 1: think that's a fair comparison. It's not, But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: can the Cowboys really utilize a guy like him and
Speaker 1: take advantage of it? I don't know. You would like
Speaker 1: to think so, but I don't have a ton of confidence.
Speaker 1: Right here's a different question, and I wanted We're running
Speaker 1: out of time here, but I thought it was pretty interesting. Brian,
Speaker 1: you talked about Shaun Lee coming back and being a
Speaker 1: starter this weekend. Here's a question from John through our
Speaker 1: Twitter account. When fifty returns, how about Shawn Lee as
Speaker 1: a third quarter defensive adjustment instead of a starter that
Speaker 1: would preserve his health and give opposing offenses fits. You
Speaker 1: think Sean Lee could stand there, sit there for thirty minutes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, but you know, and and yeah, actually he
Speaker 1: runs on the field and pushes the guy just got
Speaker 1: the second half and half? Was that there a closer
Speaker 1: named Lee. Yeah, yeahs Bill Lee Lee Smith, Lee Smith.
Speaker 1: But regardless of Shaun Lee and what he would want
Speaker 1: to do and all that, just seeing him as the
Speaker 1: player that he is, is this something that I would
Speaker 1: actually sound good to you in doing no hamstrings, hamstring issues,
Speaker 1: that's you stand there, you sit there for three quarters.
Speaker 1: Whatever the point he's making, there's something there. It's just
Speaker 1: not that plan exactly. Yes, utilize him in a different
Speaker 1: way where you know, and maybe he doesn't start, maybe
Speaker 1: he's a he's a third down guy, not fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: But but you know, the Nickel package and stuff. I
Speaker 1: think he's onto something. I wouldn't wait that long in
Speaker 1: the game. You want to get these guys in the
Speaker 1: flow of the game. I mean Lee's best thirty five plays,
Speaker 1: that's what I need. All right, Let's not forget his
Speaker 1: last game he played. He had like eleven tackles in
Speaker 1: the fifth quarter of the game. I mean, he was on.
Speaker 1: He was unbelievable. So get those guys out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I three guys can can play that condition. This is
Speaker 1: a I just talked to Stephen Jones. He said, this
Speaker 1: is an outstanding problem. That absolutely Oh and we all
Speaker 1: agree with that we love, all these linebackers that we
Speaker 1: got going on right now. All right, Well, that is
Speaker 1: all the time we have for today. Thank you so much,
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