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Speaker 1: here at the Winter Meetings in Orlando. AJ in my backyard.

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Speaker 1: Jim Bowden with us right now, JB. Such a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to see you in person.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Scott AJ. Great to be Will you.

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Speaker 3: Look get a shirt?

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Speaker 4: Way?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Look?

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Speaker 3: How look at this slang bonta by fire.

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Speaker 2: Foul territory.

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Speaker 1: It's my second favorite this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my favorite hoodie is my foul territory here though. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and we see it for sure. I sport it once

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Speaker 1: Yeah you do, you do.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you and yeah, great, see you.

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Speaker 1: Uh where should we start? In your mind? What is

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Speaker 1: the top storyline? Like you've been doing shows.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, I think what we're looking at two

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Speaker 5: most likely guys to be traded out of the gate,

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Speaker 5: Brendan Donovan and the Cardinals Mackenzie Gore the Nats.

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Speaker 2: I'm expecting them to be the first two guys traded.

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Speaker 5: I think the other big storyline that is being talked

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Speaker 5: are gonna do. New York Squared are gonna crush it.

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Speaker 5: We have Brian Cashman on our radio show and I'm like,

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Speaker 5: all right, so you know, what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 5: And he went through this long speel of you know,

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Speaker 5: we have Spencer Jones and Domingos and left and we

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Speaker 5: are like man at third and then it was all

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Speaker 5: said and done. He was finished, all a GM speak

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Speaker 5: and we got the reel out of him. It's like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: it's gotta be Tucker or Bellinger, you know, maybe Bashett,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get another starting pitcher.

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Speaker 5: We know we have to wait for Rodon and Cole,

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Speaker 5: and I just feel like the Yankees are just waiting

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Speaker 5: to pounce. He's not downplaying it at all publicly, and

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Speaker 5: when he doesn't downplay it publicly historically, he makes moves.

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Speaker 5: And if you're the Mets, okay, you can come out

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Speaker 5: and you can say I'm not gonna do the long

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Speaker 5: term deal with pictures. Well, look at you're not gonna

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Speaker 5: make the playoffs. If you don't start building this rotation

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Speaker 5: besides the young kids, you're not gonna be there.

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Speaker 1: You have to.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, if the lawns So leaves.

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Speaker 5: For Baltimore or Boston, he's meeting with both teams on

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Speaker 2: If you lose them, what are you gonna do power wise?

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Speaker 5: You're gonna have a three hundred and fifty million dollar

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Speaker 2: So New York Squared are gonna crush it. Aj real,

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Speaker 2: They're just getting ready.

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Speaker 3: I want to hear crowds and then I'm gonna then

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Speaker 4: I'll I'll just take it right to the trades. The

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Speaker 4: one trade you has Brandon Donovan. I don't think a

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Speaker 4: lot of people know much about him. How on earth

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Speaker 4: can you package Jordan Walker in anything? The guy?

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Speaker 6: Is there value for that?

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Speaker 4: And the Royals you have Chris Chris Bubach is the

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Speaker 4: Royals can't do this again, can they? They already got

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Speaker 4: rid of Brady Singer last year and that didn't work

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Speaker 4: out well. Now they're like, oh, yeah, you know what

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Speaker 4: Jim said, we should get rid of another starting pitcher

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Speaker 5: All right, Eric, So I love yeah, great comeback. So

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Speaker 5: I just talked to Oliver Marble. We had them on

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Speaker 5: clear in his thoughts at Jordan Walker, which are Jim,

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Speaker 5: please be patient. Because I started the question by saying,

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Speaker 2: He said, please be patient.

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Speaker 5: He goes, I'm telling you he's gonna be a late bloomer,

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Speaker 5: He said he's making a lot of adjustments at the

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Speaker 5: In terms of Brendan Donovan, I mean, who doesn't want

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Speaker 5: Brendan Donovan right play second, can play third and play left.

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Speaker 2: He's your best trade asset. He has more value than

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Speaker 5: So of course you're gonna sit there and try to

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Speaker 5: trade him now in terms of the Royal again, I

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Speaker 5: just listened to them, right, we had Matt Cartrero was

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Speaker 2: A starter for a corner of popular? Yes?

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Speaker 5: They need to extend their lineup. That's why they want

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Speaker 5: They feel like they have enough depth where they could

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Speaker 5: to get Jaron Duran deal get done to night, I promise.

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Speaker 3: All right, and no, I got to the two New

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Speaker 3: York Squared are going to crush it. Didn't they win

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Speaker 3: the offseason last year? Juan Soto to the Mets, Max

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Speaker 3: they win the off season last year?

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Speaker 6: It was fun?

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Speaker 2: I loved it.

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Speaker 3: How to Go? I just need more how to Go?

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Speaker 5: They weren't there at the end exactly that team that

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Speaker 6: But that's my thing.

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Speaker 1: Let's say that the Mets won the off season last year,

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Speaker 1: as much as you praise, Hey, that got This conversation

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I didn't like, as you know, in March,

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Speaker 5: I don't see it. And then I was wrong. After

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Speaker 2: Wrong, right, we're getting I was getting obliterating right. Then

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Speaker 5: Just got like Jordan Walker, you have to wait, you

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Speaker 5: starting pitching on the line, what's move let's see.

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Speaker 3: It, what's that move? They trade for schoobl.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think they trade for schoobl I don't

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Speaker 5: Nolan McClain in it. I don't think people saying that

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Speaker 5: don't think that's accurate. And I don't think he's gonna

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Speaker 5: I think Brian Cashman would if they came up with

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Speaker 2: Jones, Yeah, he would do it for school.

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Speaker 6: Did my wrong?

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Speaker 3: Spencer Jones wasn't a top hundred prospect.

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Speaker 2: He is?

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Speaker 6: He is?

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Speaker 1: Okay, also depends on public's power speed.

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Speaker 5: But you know, he's still like every prospect, He's still

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Speaker 5: a suspect until until.

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Speaker 3: It comes out, Yes, many years ago?

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Speaker 2: Is that no doubt?

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Speaker 1: How old is he?

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Speaker 3: Twenty four?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Prime?

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Speaker 5: Yeers are twenty five to thirty right for reason? Some

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Speaker 1: Wait, I want to get to the Reds, a team

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're gonna do Schobern next. Come on, So

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Speaker 2: that irritates me.

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Speaker 7: A better chance of pirates are red. But here's but

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Speaker 7: here's the thing. How can the Pirates with a straight

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Speaker 7: they say, we made a four year offer for Schwarber, Like,

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Speaker 7: get them over the Oh, I want to go to

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Speaker 7: the Pirates over the Phillies six years, one hundred and

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Speaker 5: I made that offer. Okay, we'll stand up. Then you

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Speaker 5: don I'm on the table, Josh. Now for the Reds,

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Speaker 5: same as what they do with Naylor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're signing. They're like, oh, we offered him eighty

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Speaker 2: Whatever, what are you doing?

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Speaker 5: And by the way, Josh Naylor is going to make

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Speaker 5: less money than Trent Grisham is this year and next

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Speaker 2: Minute, but I like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you would have gotten more. Maybe you want to Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's okay, that's fine. I mean there were no other jobs.

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Speaker 5: If Alonso resigned with the Mets, where are you going.

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Speaker 5: Boston wants a right ending first baseman. So and he

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Speaker 5: saw what happened to Pete last year. Yeah, he made

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Speaker 5: their he made the right call. But it should have

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Speaker 1: Okay, but what about the Reds? Can they I mean

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Speaker 2: They can. I mean they can.

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Speaker 1: You know their books from back in the day. But like,

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Speaker 1: thank you, if you stretch this out, Javy, I get it.

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Speaker 1: This team has to operate. It's such a slight margin here.

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Speaker 1: But if there's ever a time, isn't this the time?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: It's the person. It's that's the one person you spend

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Speaker 5: the money on. He is the guy that gets La

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Speaker 5: daa Cruz on back on the Hall of Fame track.

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Speaker 5: He is the one guy that gets to La Marte

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Speaker 2: He's the guy I want in that clubhouse.

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Speaker 3: Please.

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Speaker 2: I got Tino and I got Schwarmer.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't matter. I got a chance that doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: I agree, that's everything that that means.

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Speaker 3: Almost always I have this argument, Yeah, you're right there.

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Speaker 3: You need you need a team.

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Speaker 2: Amen. And let me tell you this.

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Speaker 5: The person that's gonna walk away this winter with CJ.

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Speaker 2: Who's gonna tell them?

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Speaker 1: Babies in there?

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Speaker 2: You need. You need to be bringing veteran guys. They

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Speaker 4: But Jim, what they're gonna say is, well, I can pay.

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Speaker 4: To me, Kyle Schwarber is worth it. I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: you know Garverer, you know, just recycle the guy's name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: Now. I'm not saying you.

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Speaker 5: Have to have that I'll take Kyle Tucker on Aaron

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Speaker 5: But I don't want Kyle Tucker to be that leader.

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Speaker 5: I want Kyle Schwarber to be that leader. Tucker doesn't

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Speaker 5: do for the Reds Clubhouse what Kyle Schwarber would do

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Speaker 6: Agreed?

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Speaker 4: Is there any way of knowing how much more that

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Speaker 4: on paper, Kyle Schwarber's worth you know, three four years,

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Speaker 2: Five million a year for two extra years, that's my

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Speaker 5: gonna give him two extra years and I'm gonna get

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Speaker 5: This is when the Tigers signed Magli Ordoniez and Pud Rodriguez, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'll never forget, and I said, Jim, you guys way

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Speaker 2: And Jim took out a cigarette, he lit it and

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Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, but we got the players and you didn't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's where they went to and why because they

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Speaker 2: Because they spent too much money and they spent too

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Speaker 2: many years. So sign me up, baby, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Have you got an owner that'll spend it. That's why

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Speaker 3: it's easy for us to do this job. Jim, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: aint my money.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's so much easier. I love it.

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Speaker 3: Money spend this world.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm ready for this.

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Speaker 1: I got my next one for you in terms of

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Speaker 1: spending money. So JP put a great wish list article

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Speaker 1: out there, predictions and wishes right, not like everything is

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Speaker 1: direct intel here, okay, but framber Valdez, you put seven

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Speaker 1: would sign Framberg for that kind of money. You know,

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Speaker 1: Fember a lot with the Astros. He'll be fine going forward.

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Speaker 1: Here's my concern he always was. I think you get

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: And I'm really focusing on the defense behind him.

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Speaker 2: He pitches in big games. He's durable, He's got the frame.

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Speaker 5: I want to punch him in the face for it.

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Speaker 5: But what's the other incidences over the years when we've

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Speaker 5: other incidentss And I always wanted him on the mound

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Speaker 5: for me. Is it an overpay?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I don't like that contract. I don't like ceas, but

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Speaker 5: it's the price of doing business. I didn't go out

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 5: I can't afford it, but that's the price. If I wanted,

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Speaker 5: I have to pay it. So let's start worrying about

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Speaker 5: the price of business. We've set the price. It's not

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Speaker 5: going down. It never does. Accept it and move on.

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Speaker 5: They must have the money or the pay the payrolls

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Speaker 5: wouldn't get to this point if they weren't making the money.

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Speaker 2: It's there.

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Speaker 3: Agreed, Agreed. I fight that fight all the time.

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Speaker 8: You got the last time before we let you go. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: there was a vote last night. Okay, you know what

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Speaker 8: it was of fame. Yes, Jeff can't kitts in. I

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Speaker 8: thought he should have been in a long time. Yes,

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Speaker 8: your thoughts on the other guys.

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Speaker 3: Bonds Clemens, Yeah, so I I popular.

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Speaker 5: So I wrote this on the Athletic in that same

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Speaker 5: It's in I wrote that. No, I did not they

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Speaker 5: I had no idea how they're going to vote. But

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Speaker 2: I just speculated. But you've got to see my personal opinion.

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Speaker 5: Barry Bonds is the best player I ever saw in

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Speaker 5: the best pitchers I ever saw in my life. Gary

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Speaker 5: bat speed I ever saw in my life, without a doubt,

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Speaker 5: and all three should be in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 5: For me, with all of the baggage around them, I

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Speaker 5: any MLB investigator. Throw it all in Cooperstown with them.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a museum. I think we should be

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Speaker 5: Two guys are in the Hall of Fame that used

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Speaker 3: This is my argument that I had with Scott and

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Speaker 3: trammel Tony Perez, Jim Cott. They're all awesome, right, Robin

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Speaker 3: Yell all these got one marrion. They're unbelievable players, unbelievable people,

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Speaker 3: They're awesome. If they didn't vote for those guys that

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Speaker 3: you just named, okay because of the ped's accusations, then

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Speaker 3: I say, did every one of you not ever take

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Speaker 3: They weren't allowed, but they were legal. Greenies are were

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Speaker 3: legal and now they're banned. So if you took a greenie,

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Speaker 3: aren't you the same as one of these other guys.

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Speaker 2: In terms of I'm just a breaking the rule.

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Speaker 3: Yes, But but you get suspended for taking a greenie?

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Speaker 3: I don't know that's that's just different.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not agreeing with them.

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Speaker 3: But it's it's not it's not apples to apples, but

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Speaker 5: The problem that I have is I was a GM

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Speaker 2: Everybody was looking the other way.

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Speaker 5: I don't know who didn't, but I do know changes

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Speaker 5: that they all had. I have every team has a

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Speaker 2: They all have it, but no everybody wanted to ignore it.

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Speaker 5: And yet some of them get to the Hall of

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Speaker 5: because they were caught, and some of them don't because

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Speaker 5: I just don't like it. I think it's screwed an

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Speaker 5: that's how we should handle it.

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Speaker 1: Right. So your line is, once we formalized it a

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Speaker 3: World for me as a player, and I played in

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Speaker 3: I draw the line as a player, whatever you did

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Speaker 3: If you get caught after two thousand and five, yeah,

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Speaker 3: then you're out. Oh then you're not because you're out

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Speaker 2: You knew, you knew, and you did it anyway.

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Speaker 2: Then there's not even a discussion at that point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

444
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Speaker 3: But you cheated, and you know you you blatantly.

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Speaker 6: Cheated and knew it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so to me that that's But the other thing,

447
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Speaker 3: before two thousand and five, we don't know what guys

448
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Speaker 3: were doing. That's the idea we think, we don't really know.

449
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Speaker 3: You don't know, so to me, those guys should be in.

450
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Speaker 3: But anyways, I.

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Speaker 2: Agree, it's it's never it's a hard issue to agree on.

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Speaker 5: So it's interesting we agree because most people won't agree

453
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Speaker 5: with that vantage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are on the same page there, and

455
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Speaker 1: and he's fired up today about it because of the results.

456
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Speaker 1: But it is what it is.

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Speaker 5: I just have a hard time explaining to my children

458
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Speaker 5: Barry Bonds is not in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: I have a hard time with that.

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Speaker 4: I saw.

461
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Speaker 3: It's not even close, not even close.

462
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Speaker 5: And whether he did or when he did or when

463
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Speaker 5: he started to would have nothing to do with him

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Speaker 5: getting into the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: But you could explain a rod right because hey, he

466
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Speaker 1: tested or he got caught, right, he did.

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Speaker 3: It his whole career, he said he started in two

468
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Speaker 3: thousand ish, in his whole career.

469
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Speaker 2: He's done.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he did an he lied, he did it, he lied,

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Speaker 5: he lied, he did it. His track record is so

472
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Speaker 5: clear and concise that you don't even have to think

473
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Speaker 5: about his situation.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's a different story. Jbre the Man. Fancy new

475
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Speaker 1: animation for our first guest here joining us during Sweet Life.

476
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Speaker 1: It is Paul Timoni, who is the president of Baseball Operations.

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Speaker 1: You got us here, but you can hear us here. Paul.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you on here. Congratulations on the gig,

479
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Speaker 1: and we're excited to talk to you about what life

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Speaker 1: is like and what is it like over the last

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Speaker 1: few weeks for you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, right on, No, I appreciate you guys had me

483
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Speaker 6: on what so well?

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Speaker 3: Hold on first of all, cratch, no quarters up for

485
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Speaker 3: the front office, no look jacket, fancy shirt. It's amazing,

486
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Speaker 3: it's amazing. It's the best. So much better of an.

487
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Speaker 9: Helping about coming in with like cut off or like

488
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Speaker 9: tank top or something.

489
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Speaker 3: But hey, did that he and did that in spring

490
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Speaker 3: train memory came home with a T shirt and the bucket.

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Speaker 6: At the.

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Speaker 3: Eric you don't need the hat. He's like, I never know, son, Yeah,

493
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Speaker 3: he's sitting in his dark room with his big hat.

494
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Speaker 3: So anyways, we appreciate.

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Speaker 6: You dressing absolutely Yeah, only you guys.

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Speaker 1: Hey, So, I mean you've been around front office leaders,

497
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Speaker 1: right with with Boston all that. Once you're actually in

498
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Speaker 1: the seat. What has been the most surprising thing for

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Speaker 1: you thus far?

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Speaker 9: I think the biggest thing honestly has just been, uh,

501
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Speaker 9: you know, I'm stepping into a new organization. I don't

502
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Speaker 9: I didn't really know a ton of people in the

503
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Speaker 9: new organization, right, So former relationships with everyone in the

504
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Speaker 9: building and as it relates to the actual responsibilities of

505
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Speaker 9: the job. Like, it's crazy to say, but nothing has

506
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Speaker 9: really felt all that much different, you know what I mean?

507
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Speaker 6: I guess more.

508
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Speaker 9: Interaction with ownership group with the Nationals than maybe I

509
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Speaker 9: had with Boston, which isn't necessarily a small thing. More

510
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Speaker 9: more media, but uh, but those those are the big things.

511
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Speaker 9: All the all the other baseball specific stuff, like, isn't

512
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Speaker 9: all that different at least for me?

513
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Speaker 3: How long does it take you to learn an organization

514
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Speaker 3: because you came from Boston? Does that mean you and

515
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Speaker 3: Bres are gonna get on the phone and like Mackenzie

516
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Speaker 3: Gore to the Red Sox because you know, all the

517
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Speaker 3: prospects wrap back. So how long does it take you

518
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Speaker 3: to learn your own organization? Before you call Breas and

519
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Speaker 3: say Breas, listen, man, I got Mackenzie Gore. He'd look

520
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Speaker 3: great pitching in Fenway. I'll take ABC and D.

521
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Speaker 9: So I think, uh, I mean to your first question,

522
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Speaker 9: learning a new organization, like all the staff members all that,

523
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Speaker 9: that takes a lot of time.

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Speaker 6: Its probably gonna take a year or two, you know.

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Speaker 9: I think it's probably gonna take a year to meet

526
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Speaker 9: everyone and in person, right, but then probably two years

527
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Speaker 9: to actually like have folks be comfortable around me and

528
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Speaker 9: just you know, you know, it is former relationships, like

529
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Speaker 9: you're on a team and uh, probably not for a year,

530
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Speaker 9: eighteen months, two years for you to feel really good

531
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Speaker 9: around people. So so yeah, it's gonna take some time,

532
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Speaker 9: but looking forward to it. And I was I was

533
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Speaker 9: in Boston for upwards of ten years, and so those

534
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Speaker 9: relationships are really tight, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: So leaving there was tough, but it'll happen over time here.

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, you brought in can you can you

537
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Speaker 4: hear me? Okay, Paul, Yeah, I got you. Okay, you

538
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Speaker 4: brought in, you brought in a whole new staff, and

539
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Speaker 4: you talk about getting to know people. How do you

540
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Speaker 4: say to okay, another team or even one of the players,

541
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Speaker 4: because it was in the news that you talked to

542
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Speaker 4: Gore about possibly being traded. You don't know him. The

543
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Speaker 4: people that coached him last year in the big leagues

544
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Speaker 4: don't don't know him because they're on another organization. How

545
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Speaker 4: do you make that decision other than up here's my list.

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Speaker 3: I have c J.

547
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Speaker 4: Abrams, I have Mackenzie Gore. How do you make those

548
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Speaker 4: decisions when you just said nobody really knows me and

549
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Speaker 4: I don't really know them. It takes maybe a year

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Speaker 4: and a half, two years.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's challenging, right, Like, I think part of it

552
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Speaker 9: is like you can do everything in your power to

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Speaker 9: try and get to know these guys during this period, right,

554
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Speaker 9: But then I think you got to lean on people

555
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Speaker 9: that you do know, that know these players well.

556
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Speaker 6: Right. And obviously I'm not even really talking about.

557
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Speaker 9: The baseball side of it, which is a huge part

558
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Speaker 9: about it, but make up such a big part of it,

559
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Speaker 9: and you probably know better than anyone, right, So making

560
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Speaker 9: sure that we know, you know what drive these guys

561
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Speaker 9: and what kind of character they have, like, that's huge,

562
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Speaker 9: and so uh, lean on folks that know them well.

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Speaker 6: I think I think that's probably the key thing.

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Speaker 3: It's got to be hard. It's got to be because

565
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Speaker 3: you're you're coming over and you basically have a whole

566
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Speaker 3: new toy like a whole new toy chest, and you're like, oh,

567
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Speaker 3: this guy was pretty good, this guy looked pretty good.

568
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Speaker 3: We played against this guy. He seemed pretty good. But

569
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Speaker 3: then I can get something for the future, right, So

570
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Speaker 3: how hard is it to balance that of saying, just

571
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Speaker 3: start everything over. And you've done that with the coaching staff,

572
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Speaker 3: and you've done that with obviously you coming in, But

573
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Speaker 3: how hard is it with the players because you can't

574
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Speaker 3: trade everybody and completely start over, right, So how do

575
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Speaker 3: you where's the line that you draw on that? Because

576
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Speaker 3: again you don't know these guys?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think like that's a that's a tough one

578
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Speaker 9: to answer, you know what I mean? I think like, really,

579
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Speaker 9: what it comes down to is each individual player, and like, hey,

580
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Speaker 9: what do we think about what do we think about

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Speaker 9: this guy's impact.

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Speaker 6: On our twenty twenty sixteen and beyond?

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, then maybe the question is, yeah, how far

584
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Speaker 3: in advance you look?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty six is what it's going to. But are

587
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Speaker 3: you looking? Because I always make a joke in here

588
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Speaker 3: that if I was a GM, I just keep telling

589
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Speaker 3: the owner, I'm gonna rebuild how we didn't make it,

590
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Speaker 3: give me five more years to get my players, to

591
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Speaker 3: get my players in in all that stuff, right, So

592
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Speaker 3: how far ahead you as an organization? I've never asked

593
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Speaker 3: a GM president guy, how far ahead do you look?

594
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Speaker 3: Because I know everyone wants to win the year they're in,

595
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Speaker 3: But how far ahead? Are you looking down the road?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I think like even if you know,

597
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Speaker 9: I was working as part of the an organization that

598
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Speaker 9: had one of the best records in baseball last year,

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Speaker 9: right Like, I think it's uh, it's smart to be looking,

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Speaker 9: you know, years ahead, but I think it's a little

601
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Speaker 9: bit dangerous to be looking too far ahead as well. Right, Like, Hey,

602
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Speaker 9: let's lock in on like how good we're going to

603
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Speaker 9: be these next couple of years, and and then be

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Speaker 9: willing to update our beliefs when we go out next

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Speaker 9: year and hopefully we surprise some people and uh, you know,

606
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Speaker 9: we're set to win a higher number of games going

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Speaker 9: into twenty twenty seven. Like let's uh, let's be willing

608
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Speaker 9: to I say it, like, we can be pretty rigid

609
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Speaker 9: on our vision but flexible in the details of achieving it.

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Speaker 1: So well, let's get to one deal that actually happened.

611
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Speaker 1: And this was a cool one for me. I've met

612
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Speaker 1: Harry Ford, I've watched him, and he gets picked up

613
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Speaker 1: by your side, Jose Ferrere going back the other way,

614
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Speaker 1: just playing to the point here. It's not like you're

615
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Speaker 1: gonna say, you know this guy to a t talking

616
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Speaker 1: about Frere but I'm sure even with Boston, you guys

617
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Speaker 1: had scouting analysis and you know who Harry Ford is.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I think you're his favorite player.

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Speaker 3: I love Harry.

620
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Speaker 1: He's like, can I FaceTime ag?

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, I got Then I did the playoffs

622
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Speaker 3: and he was on the playoff roster and I told

623
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Speaker 3: him like, hey man, you're probably not gonna get to play,

624
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Speaker 3: but you know, soak it all in and you might

625
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Speaker 3: get traded. And then way am I I wake up

626
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, Harry Ford got traded. So I'll

627
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Speaker 3: let you answer, and then I have a question.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, maybe maybe this is a good example of what

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Speaker 9: you guys were talking about earlier. Like, so he was

630
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Speaker 9: part of the twenty twenty one draft when I was

631
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Speaker 9: with the Red Sox were we were picking forth was

632
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Speaker 9: the year we took Marcelo, And I think part of

633
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Speaker 9: this was Harry was was part of our mix. So

634
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Speaker 9: we spent a lot of time getting snow Harry as

635
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Speaker 9: a as a person and understanding the makeup there.

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Speaker 6: Felt great about it, like probably.

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Speaker 9: The same things you're seeing AJ Like we saw just

638
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 9: stud kid and and then you know, we followed him

639
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 9: along the way and uh, he's been fun to follow,

640
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 9: like he's uh, he's pretty unique, man, Like he's a

641
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 9: stud athlete at that position, Like that's those guys are

642
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 9: pretty tough to find. And uh, and I think I

643
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 9: mean people forget because he's been in minor league baseball

644
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 9: for whatever it's been four years. Like he's still really young.

645
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 9: He's twenty two years old. So I think he's still

646
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 9: got a lot that he can improve. I think Harry

647
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 9: will tell you that. And uh, when he does start

648
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 9: chipping away at some of those things, like, uh, watch out,

649
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Speaker 9: because I think I think we might have something special.

650
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Speaker 3: What do you do with Ruiz? So you have four

651
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 3: you just trade it for yeah, and you have a

652
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 3: catcher that's signed in Cabert Ruiz. So how do you

653
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 3: make the decision on who plays and who you know

654
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Speaker 3: playing times at a Is it a spring training fight

655
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Speaker 3: or is that something when you make the trade for Ford,

656
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Speaker 3: you say, hey, we're gonna need him to play and

657
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Speaker 3: we'll look to maybe move Ruise somewhere else.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Uh. Keybrad was one of the first people I called

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Speaker 9: after the trade, and like I said, nothing changes, man,

661
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Speaker 9: Like we we want to create a really competitive environment

662
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Speaker 9: for for not just you guys, but Drew and Riley

663
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Speaker 9: and the others to to compete and then uh man,

664
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Speaker 9: we're gonna go with the best guys, you know what

665
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Speaker 9: I mean? But that should uh man, we want to

666
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Speaker 9: be we want to have players on our team that

667
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Speaker 9: are that are embracing that challenge and willing to run

668
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Speaker 9: towards it, not shine away from it. And I think

669
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Speaker 9: Keybard is that type of dude. And Harry's the same way,

670
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 9: Drew's the same way, Riley's the same way. So uh,

671
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Speaker 9: we're a sembling a fun group and uh, like I said,

672
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Speaker 9: we're gonna see who who the best guy is coming

673
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 9: out of it, and uh and see that, you know,

674
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 9: have the chips fall where they met.

675
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Speaker 3: He's got the GM speak down, doesn't he I don't.

676
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Speaker 3: I know, I love it.

677
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Speaker 6: I didn't hear what he said.

678
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Speaker 3: You know, if you have some of the GM speak down,

679
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Speaker 3: love because you're giving us enough to where it's like, oh,

680
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Speaker 3: I have a follow up, But then you also kind

681
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Speaker 3: of aren't giving us enough to where I'm like, well,

682
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Speaker 3: I do have a follow up, But we.

683
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Speaker 1: Like to judge the GYM streak. I don't think it's

684
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: like he's goods good yeah, right.

685
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: A newer, newer person. So here's so then you worked

686
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: for him, Yeah, and then you work for Bres.

687
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Speaker 6: Yeah?

688
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 3: Were you there before him?

689
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 6: Yeah?

690
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: Were you with Charrington?

691
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 6: Charrington?

692
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Speaker 3: Dave influenced your I'll throw out because you weren't there

693
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: for a year with Bres.

694
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Speaker 6: A couple of years, A couple of years.

695
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: Okay, I played with Bres. So that's how old I am.

696
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: But which one of those guys influenced your your style

697
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: the most?

698
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 4: Right?

699
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 3: Because Dave's like more the gambler, I'm gonna throw all

700
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 3: my chips in high and build the organization. Bres is

701
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: newer at it. Charrington released me, so he doesn't count.

702
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah right, So you know what I'm saying, Like which

703
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: one would Are you more of the gambler like Dave?

704
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: Or are you more like let's build this long term

705
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: like him would be?

706
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

707
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Speaker 9: I think I probably take different This isn't meant to

708
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 9: be GM speak, man, I I probably selfishly take different

709
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 9: pieces of all of them, Like I uh, I mean

710
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 9: dating back years, like overseeing the draft there to me

711
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 9: like risk doesn't really like get my heart rate going,

712
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 9: and when you're taking a player training for a player

713
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Speaker 9: or whatever, and I maybe I, I don't know, subconsciously

714
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 9: pulled that from Dave, right, But then also, like I

715
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 9: think about him and how how intentional he was with

716
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 9: his decision making. I'm never gonna be as smart as

717
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 9: him was, but there is, but I think I can

718
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 9: be prepared like he was and in breds the same

719
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 9: way and then the same way too. Like I will

720
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 9: say that the key difference was when I was working

721
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 9: under Ben and to a lesser extent Dave, I was

722
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Speaker 9: still pretty.

723
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Speaker 6: Junior, you know.

724
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Speaker 9: The more I rose up through the front office, I

725
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 9: worked closer with with him than with Brez and gained

726
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 9: a really good understanding of how they see things, which

727
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 9: was which was good for me to see up close.

728
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Speaker 1: Last one, because the players are being talked about a lot, Mackenzie,

729
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: Gore and C. J. Abrams. I'm not going to ask

730
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: you like, hey, what's gonna happen, but like, have you

731
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Speaker 1: spoken to those guys when when their names circulate and

732
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: you're new, do you speak to them? Real quick?

733
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Speaker 6: Yeah? Well, first of all, I didn't.

734
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Speaker 9: I didn't see the cg Abram stuff until today, and

735
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Speaker 9: so I didn't think that was the thing, and so

736
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Speaker 9: I haven't talked to CD about this, Like CJ and

737
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 9: I have been talking.

738
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Speaker 6: I chatted with them live the other day.

739
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Speaker 9: Mackenzie was different because I saw this stuff coming up

740
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 9: with Mackenzie and I'm like, man, I'm gonna call him

741
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 9: just because if I put myself in Mackenzie, she was like,

742
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 9: I'm probably wanting to hear if this is real or

743
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 9: not right, or if it's if it's BS and so

744
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 9: and more than that, man, I'd like I said it

745
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 9: the other day, like one of the most gratifying parts

746
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 9: of this job for me is building relationships with staff

747
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 9: and players.

748
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 6: So to me, it's like I'd already talked with Mackenzie.

749
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 9: I was just calling again to check in and say like, hey,

750
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 9: by the way, like you're gonna see this and uh,

751
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 9: and this is how I think through it, and if

752
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 9: you have any questions, hit me up whenever you want.

753
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 6: So That's how I'd approach it with anyone.

754
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Speaker 9: At the same time, I'm not sure it's the best

755
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 9: thing to set a standard where like every single time

756
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 9: someone's name pups into the media or I'm giving them

757
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 9: a call and update and or not.

758
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, so try and bounce those two things.

759
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 9: But but so much of this in My opinion comes

760
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 9: back down to relationships, and if you have great ones,

761
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 9: they trust what you're telling them, and you want to

762
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 9: keep them informed, but probably don't want to over communicate.

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Speaker 1: To Sure, I like that. I know you would appreciate

764
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: that at that happen that Paul really appreciate the time.

765
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Speaker 1: It's great, very nice to me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, great, mean you guys but the best. Yes,

767
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Speaker 6: that's good

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Speaker 9: M hm