WEBVTT - Draft Show: 2019 Senior Bowl Wrap & Review 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:07.240 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys, I'm 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:11.200 there war room for insenter news and draft analysis from 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.720 deep within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:20.480 in Frisco, Dallas Cowboys Select late and now your hosts, 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:25.040 Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us Well, well, 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:27.880 welcome back to the draft show here at the SWBC 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:31.720 Mortgage Studios. It's your scouting buddies. We're back at the 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:34.879 Star here in Frisco. Brian brought us joined with my 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:39.720 scouting friend again, Dame Brugler and David Hellman. Gentleman, welcome 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.200 back side, to be back side, to have my tape 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.040 machine back so I can watch some tape. You know, 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:47.680 is it I kind of missed that when I go 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:49.800 away for a week. It was a good trip. Get 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:52.960 tired of roughing it in the Candlewood Sweets. Yeah, I 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.920 love the Candlewood Sweets, though, I do. We did some 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.280 We did some fine work at the Candlewood Sweets. There's 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.240 a lot to learn, a lot to learn. You have 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.440 one main takeaway from the trip to Mobile this year. 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.920 You know what, The roster was really good. Yeah, I 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.280 like the roster you know, I think that Jim Naggi 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.759 has done a fine job. I really really do. And 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:14.320 you know, the majority of these players in this draft 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.440 is going to be junior heavy kind of you know, guys, 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:19.800 but I felt like you saw some of the best 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.040 senior players in the country playing at this place, no question, 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.559 and this year, just whatever reason, we saw a fewer 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:30.480 dropouts that we usually do. And Josh Allen from Kentucky 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.600 he pulled out, but being a projected top five, top 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:37.639 seven pick, not a big surprise. Some other guys didn't 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.039 wear no shows. But for the most part, this is 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.959 the best collection of talent overall that we've seen the 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:46.600 Senior Bowl in number of years. Absolutely, And yeah, that's 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:48.320 the great thing about love going down there. I love 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.040 a value waiting that so and I want to get 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:52.920 into that too. I want to put a bow on that. Yes, 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.080 because I know you and I well, we've all talked 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.280 about this. You know, you had some ideas going in 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.600 about this, some things to look for. I want to 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:04.360 see if some of these questions got answered about these players, 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.400 you know exactly, because again, this is this whole thing, 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:10.919 and again we don't discriminate here. You know, this is Yeah. 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:15.160 We might be a Dallas Cowboy based prodcast here, but 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.720 we talk about players, you know, and I want to 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:19.440 make sure we give all of them. I want to 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.920 make sure we talk about all the players. You know. 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.040 I'm not interested. I mean, I'm yeah, I'm interested what 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:25.679 the Cowboys gonna do, but I'm also interested what the 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.040 Buccaneers are gonna do. And you'll find that out. You 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.040 carry along with us and we get to the draft 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.440 those three days. Nobody covers the NFL Draft better than us. 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:37.240 I'm just mayok's not even gonna be doing it this year, 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.640 so we're definitely Yeah. So that's you know, I mean, 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.040 better than myself on the back here. But you stay 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:44.920 along with us, folks, and you guys have been with us, 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.480 understand that. And the new ones we welcome you again 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:51.960 if you're a Falcons fan, Buccaneers fan, Chargers fan, whatever. Hey, 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.800 we don't discriminate here because we're gonna talk about players, 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.119 and we're gonna talk about players a lot, and I'm 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:03.359 excited about that as always. Uh Kent Garrison is executive 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:07.600 producing this fine program. Today we are again presented by 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.400 Miller Lite uh you know again in the SBbc Mortgage Studios. 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:13.880 You can get a hold of us. Maybe at the 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.240 second half of the show, we'll take us some calls. 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.639 Maybe you know, I want to get into some positions. 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:22.240 Maybe maybe you know, if you call and Kent feels 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.000 like he needs to put you on, who gets you through? 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.760 Please be nice to Kent. But you know, I want 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.520 to get into the second half some some some positions. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.680 There's some deep positions here, and I want to get 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.240 in some names on their first round names. I'm gonna 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.120 talk about first round names. You know. I'm gonna talk 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:38.560 about all these players. I want to do it. But 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.800 at first, Dane, I want you to go through. You 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:43.040 had some questions about this, and let's see if we 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.560 got some of our Senior Bowl questions answered as we 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.000 made our week at Mobile. Yeah, and I think some 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:53.720 of the key storylines, key subjects that we were talking 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.839 about going into the week. Yeah, let's review them, see 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:00.520 what we learned. Maybe some questions unanswered, some questions answered. 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:05.200 Let's start with Washington States. Andre Dillard, Okay, offensive tackle. 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.240 I thought he was the top offensive lineman at the 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:12.280 Senior Ball the Senior bol senior offensive lineman. Did he 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.760 live up to that? Does he leave the week still 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.360 as a top offensive lineman among the seniors. Any strong 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.919 opinion on that, Brian, Yeah, I do have an opinion 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.960 because I felt I felt like that watching Dalton Risinger play, 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.000 I kind of felt like he was one of my 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.159 top guys. Okay, I really did. Yeah, as a tackle, 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:30.880 I really liked him. I'll see you. Another guy that 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:34.520 impressed me boys is Eric McCoy, the center from Texas 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.560 a and asolutely. You know, I didn't expect Eric McCoy. 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:39.640 I wasn't going into thinking, oh, hey, I'm gonna see 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.440 a center here. I saw a guy that got some push. 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.599 I saw a guy that could play second level. I 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.080 saw a guy that didn't get knocked around. You know, 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:51.120 I was impressed with him. You know, Chris Lindstrom was 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.599 a guy too that I looked at Boston College. I 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.479 kind of had a good opinion about him. But you 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.839 know what, though, there was times where he didn't show 0:04:59.880 --> 0:05:03.080 me enough. So there were guys I was going in 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.040 thinking that, Okay, this is gonna be my guy, and 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.040 then lo and behold two three other guys show up 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.000 that felt like played a little bit better you know 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.159 with this group? Did did it? Did it? Appear to you, 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.440 Dave did anything? Did Needy's offensive lineman the kid from 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:21.760 USC stood out too? Yeah? You you just could I 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:23.440 kill you on one. I was going to ask you 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.159 a question and I think you just answered it. Yeah, 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:29.520 because it from my perspective, is there a higher riser 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:33.359 than Risener? Like he's a guy I wasn't hearing a 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.640 lot about, which, granted there might be some talk about 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.960 him playing another position, and I honestly I still like 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.360 him at a better position or a death position. Yeah, 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.760 believe it's a center. Yeah, I see him as a center. 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.520 He played center's entire life and then until a sophomore 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.799 year at Kansas State and they moved outside the right tackle. Yeah, 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:52.760 you know, and he doesn't. He looks like a center 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.839 just you know, he's got the barrel chest, he's got 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.040 uh you know, just looking at him as he has 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.159 the look of a center. But he held his own 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:03.039 at I mean, yeah, yeah, I still, if I'm projecting 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.760 him forward long term, I like him best inside. Um, 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:09.479 I dre are some NFL teams that will disagree. They're 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.760 gonna keep my tackle until he right tackle probably yeah. Yeah, 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.159 he's never played left tackle. Yeah, of course, Yeah, you know, 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.640 I think right tackles probably where he's how much did 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.960 he help is stuck last week? I think he because 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:24.320 he went into the week as a kind of divisive player, 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:27.040 because some people really like him. See, people were kind 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:30.600 of questioning him. I think he swayed some of the doubters, um, 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.800 and so I think he went from a you know, 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:38.040 possible late second, early third to a you know, early second. 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.120 Maybe he gets in the first round. Yeah, I think 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.040 that's certainly possible. I loved like everything I saw from 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.880 him in a non football aspect. I loved too like 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:50.160 enthusiastic guy. He chased down John Elway to like you know, 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:55.159 basically fanboy, and and he's got like a mean streak. Yeah. 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.440 I was impressed with him. But then the reason I 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.560 say you answered my question is obviously everybody's talking about 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.919 the USC kid coming out of that. Yeah. The footwork 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.720 was incredible for that kid, easy foot quickness. Yeah, and 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.120 you know, thinking about the USC offense this year, it 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:15.120 was a lackluster performance by that offense, and the offensive 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.040 line was a big part of that. Right, And so 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.440 kind of removing him from that bad situation with the Trojans, 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:22.720 right and getting a chance to go, you know, because 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.720 offensive line play it's a unit, you know, it's not 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:29.120 it's hard to really remove him until you get to 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.880 a senior bowl setting and he's going doing one on 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.760 ones against pass rushers and no one's beating him around 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.920 the end. No, no, nobody could get around yet, and 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.640 no one's bullying him, nobody, exactly. He's got the core strength, 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:41.920 he used his hands well, he's got length, the foot 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:45.240 quickness is easy. He moves so well though. Yeah, that's 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.920 he just relaxed. He never looked like he was pressured 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:49.960 or frazzled by the way he was when they were 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.640 one on one pass rushing him. And he's not he's 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.720 not even sixty four, he's sixty three and three quarters. Yeah, 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:57.720 but he's got thirty five in charms. Yeah, and he 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.680 can keep him off him though, exactly. So I think 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:03.360 when we going back to the original question, yeah, Andre Dillard, 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.200 I think people caught up to him. Okay, if that's 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:08.840 what you want to say, Yeah, if you want to say, 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.680 I'll say that. I think I think that Dillard. I 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:15.600 don't think Dillard was terrible, but I saw other guys 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.640 that I'm thinking, Okay, well, I need to I need 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.280 to catch up with this guy. I need to catch 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.080 up with this guy. Okay, well yeah, if you had 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.360 to say your top three senior offensive linemen right now, 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.520 where does Dillard fall on the top three? Is Riisener 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.280 ahead of him? Right? I got Riisener ahead of him 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.640 right now? Now I do as a tackle as a 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:35.800 tackle okay, yeah I do. I still lean Dillard, Um, 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:40.320 but you know I I think Riisener helped himself, no question, um. 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.720 Garrett Bradbury, Yeah, from NC State. Yeah, that we both 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.560 really like. I'll tell you what now, Bradbury, I watched 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:50.120 him on tape this morning, and I I'll tell you 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.000 what though, tight end, there's there's some there's some traits 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.440 there where you're going this guy. I mean, some of 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.080 these centers have been selected in late in the late 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.360 well middle of the late one. I think he's just 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.240 as good. You know who was the kid I was 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.160 talking about last year that I brought up to you 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:08.559 in the in the pre show meeting there, James Daniels, 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:13.079 James Samuels Otowa. Yeah, yeah, guys snatching three techniques. He 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.160 went second level block or early second round of the Bears. Yeah, 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.440 that's what I'm saying that this year I had a 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.120 first round grade on him. Though. That's that's good. I'm 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.280 talking about the athletic ability with that. We thought he 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.080 could go as early as the teens. Yeah, talked about 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.000 him as a possibility at nineteen, right, exactly. Yeah, And 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.320 so I think, you know, with Bradbury, he's not gonna 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.080 be a fit for everybody more. I think more of 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.559 his own blocking scheme. Good athlete's ridiculous athlete again, four 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.280 second level, cutting people in half. You know what's funny 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.280 because he always wanted to play tight end. You know, 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:44.920 he kind of pushed away the thought of moving the 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.760 offensive line. He finally moves the offensive line, and he 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.520 kind of once he embraced the position, he really came 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.400 into his own. And he's the top center this year. 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.040 And you know, I think he's a top fifty draft pick. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:10:00.360 So Dillard, Bradbury, Reisner, maybe those are the top three 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:04.480 senior offen cycles for me. But Chuma Adoga definitely Adoga. Yeah, 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:06.960 keep an eye on him. He would have probably been 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:08.880 a good uh, he'd have been a good tell me 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.120 more guy. Yeah, I know we'll get that going out 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.520 to the combine. Future kids trying to decide whether or 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:15.959 not to go to the Senior Bolt. Look at a 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.520 guy like Adoga, the way he can help himself, and yeah, 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.480 you know he's gonna he made some money based on 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.000 what he did in Mobile. What are the questions you 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:25.560 got there? Uh? Small school guys, you know, non FBS players. 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.720 I going back to the fall, my top three small 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.800 school guys were and see her Adderly won Delaware safety. Yeah, 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:35.400 I thought that nothing changed there. Titus Howard attacked from 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.360 Alabama store he played well, good feet, Yeah, another former 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.720 tight end, absolutely m and then third was Kaylin Saunders 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:46.679 from Western Illinois. And to me, yeah, to me, those 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.840 top three didn't change. Those are the top three small 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:50.960 school guys. A couple of the guys stood out for me, 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:54.920 but the top three for me, Uh, has not changed. 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.480 Do you agree with the top three? Yeah? The guy 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:01.480 I think ad I you know, we're looking at Utterly 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.240 as first round pick. I have him, I think in 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.520 the twenties on my board, so I think he certainly 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.760 could go. This goes which I trust your evaluations completely. 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.120 This goes back to the point I made last week, 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:18.800 is like, when you're talking purely Senior Bowl guys, recency bias. 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:20.040 I guess you know, you're like, well, this is the 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:21.680 best guy at the Senior Bowl. He's probably a first 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:23.960 round pick, and that's not always true. So I'm always 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.000 trying to judge, like I'm interested to see how he 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.320 stacks up. Once you start looking at the bigger picture, 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.000 the question is is he the where's he stack with 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.600 the safeties? Because to me, he's the top safety this year. 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.920 And yeah, I'm gonna be beating with Yante Thompson from Alabama, 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:40.160 Taylor rat from Washington. Where does he fit? I don't 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.160 think there's gonna be consensus. I think he'll be the 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.160 top safety for some teams. Other teams might prefer one 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.920 of those other guys. The fact that people were he 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:49.839 could play in the slot. The interception he got in 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.240 that game was playing in the slot. Yeah, you know. 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.599 And he has some trouble at times during one on 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.960 ones with some of the receiver. Penny Hart got him 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.400 a couple of times. He got a lot of pigs though, exactly. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:01.720 And it's talk about small school guy and say he 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.640 had a nice week. Yeah, Penny penny Hart. You know scouts, 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.160 No penny Hart, you know penny Hart. Guys like me 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.760 coming to the party right now are learning about Penny Hart. 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.680 He I think he played better than most expected too. Though. 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:15.640 Um you know he's a guy that he splashes a 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:20.120 freshman at Georgia State and then you know he he 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.320 looked okay the past few years, but you know, he 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.960 really made his presence known with what he did this 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.120 past week in Mobile. Another wide receiver, Keelan Doss from 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.040 UC Davis, a guy who he's not gonna run really 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.440 well or not gonna run exceptional, but he's such a 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.760 polish route runner. He just has like a keen understanding 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.200 of how to uncover. You know, he knows how, he 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.520 knows how to play get wide receivers, get their hips turned, 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.559 get them leaning, and he gives a target to his quarterback. 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.000 And he's got strong, sticky hands. So I think Keelan 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.640 Doss is a guy who at the combine probably not 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.559 gonna show out, but what he did at the Senior 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.280 Bull is going to help him. You wouldn't, I mean, 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.360 the old Dominion kids doing anything for you at all. 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.360 I like I think the wide receiver Fulham, Yeah, I 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.120 think he's he's got an interesting story because he he 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.920 didn't play football untiling his junior year in high school. 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.480 He's a basketball guy. He's just coming into his own. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.480 He's an ascending player. Yeah, I was just kind of 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.360 like you said, I Doss was really interesting me. We've 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.360 talked a bunch about Andy Isabella though, you know, you mask, 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:24.120 you don't really have to go that route on that. 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:28.400 I mean about Okay, we part him the say he 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.760 got hurt. Yeah, he got hurt, so we couldn't see 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.360 him play in the in the actual uh game itself. Okay, 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:35.800 what other questions you have this? Well it kind of 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.160 transitions to who was the top wide receiver in mobile? Uh, 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:43.600 you know, talking about Andy Isabella, deebo see Hill kind 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.880 of stole the top spot. He stole the practices, for sure, 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:48.719 he did. They and they tried to target him in 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:50.400 the game, and they couldn't get him the ball. Yeah, 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.080 they couldn't get him the ball one catch for fifteen years. Yeah, 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.320 and it really it wasn't a lack of trying there, 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.480 I mean, but they they tried to target the guy 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.640 that The guy that showed up was Hunter Renfro shocking. 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:04.760 Hunter Ripro showed up India Sabella showed up. Mom hands, Yeah, 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:09.400 Mom hands Dane sounds exasperated. He's like, yeah, I know, No, Well, 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:13.240 it's just he's a guy that you're gonna count out, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.320 and you know, but he's gonna be a Day three 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:20.280 draft pick. And we're talking about right Clemson. Yeah, but 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.800 Debo is gonna be a Day two draft pick. And 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:24.840 he slapped everything. Okay, let me ask you this day, 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.200 slapping guys up and down the field all weeks. If 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.240 Dane told you could get him at fifty eight, are 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.280 you considering that. I'm not considering anything. I'm doing it. 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.440 I'm there, Okay, podium, Okay, yes, you're gonna do that. 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.560 You're gonna go receiver at fifty eight. I'm gonna apologize, obviously, 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.640 and this will change. We don't know what free agency 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.520 holds for the Cowboys. Obesley might be back on this team, 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.000 in which case I'm not drafting receiver at fifty eight. 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.320 But if you had to go draft a receiver fifty eight, 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.960 going to beat that drum until I can't do it anymore. 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.480 Like that's just I've decided to do it. That might 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.280 be a journey that I take on my own. And 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.280 that's okay. This guy's a hell of a football player. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.960 But I went back and watched the South Carolina tape. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.000 He plays with a lot of guts and he can play. 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.920 He does, he does. I mean it's raining and he's can't. 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:10.560 I mean he's you know, they're throwing the ball. He 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.840 threw a touchdown pass. And the Georgia game, he's going 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.400 up against Baker, he's running routes against him. Good competition. 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.600 He can play big like he can do the back 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:23.080 shoulder stuff. Oh yeah, play out like a running back. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.640 He's five eleven and a half two hundred and sixteen pounds, 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.520 so he's built like a running back. Really thick, physical 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.480 hum and he also returned man. Yeah, I think he 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.680 has tied the SEC record with four returns over his 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.280 career for touchdowns. So versatile can help you in a 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.280 lot of ways. And really good as a yak. So 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.400 he could replace He could replace your slot receiver and 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.920 your punt return. Absolutely about Austin, yeah, absolutely, nowhere near 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.360 is fast, don't care. Yes, good looking physically too, yeah, 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.960 you know he didn't look slight and small and all that. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.520 So he's he's a good looking kid. I go and 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.840 I got I can't you know. I come at it 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:00.600 from the fans perspective. Y'all are the analysts. I Dane Is, 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.280 I go in stages of having like draft crushes, like 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.400 you know, uh it was Lakwan Treadwell at this time 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.720 three years ago. We're in that albatross, aren't you. Of course? Yeah, 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:11.840 I mean you're not always gonna be right. Oh, I'm 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:13.880 I got a lot of him around my nick. But 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.280 and in January of twenty nineteen, Debo's my guy. I'm 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.160 sure I'll have another guy a month from now, but 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.720 I really like Debo. DJ Moore had a pretty decent 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:27.840 rookie season, That's all I'm saying. So about the Sills. Yeah, 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.000 West Virginia, I'm telling you this is this is this 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:34.000 year's Cooper Cup. M M. You know, and I and Hey, 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.680 I'm not doing this because of white wide receiver to 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.200 white wide receiver. I'm not doing that. I'm just talking 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.840 about a guy that can separate, a guy that can 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.040 go get the football. You say it, back shoulder catch. 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.720 He made that game the other day. Yeah, he and 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:51.120 the side the extent sideline catch. You guys are getting 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.800 on me about this cat. I'm just telling you this 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.720 guy's who's getting on you about him. Dane gives me 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.600 that little apparently talking no, no, Dane. I've been with 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:01.960 Dane long enough to know when he gives me that look. 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:04.919 Scouts give looks like that to each other all the time, like, 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.159 are you kidding? He's being polite. It's fine. No, he 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.280 could be mean. I don't know. We just do you 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.240 like him on more than I do I with Sills. 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.480 I think he needs I worry about the play strength. 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:15.879 I think he gets out muscled a lot, and I 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.600 think that's gonna really he catches everything thrown in his direction. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.280 He for a former quarterback he is does a really 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:25.000 nice job judging the football and finishing he does, no question. 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.840 I just he made that quarterback there at West Virginia. 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.280 Throwing him the ball, he helped him, no question. I 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.760 think he I'm not even sure he's the best West 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.560 Virginia wide receiver in this Oh, I don't know Gary 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.960 Jennings at a heck of a week. Yeah, in mobile, 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.120 I like Gary Jennings a lot. Why didn't I notice 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.160 Gary Jennings more? Then? Maybe I wasn't scouting well enough. 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:48.639 Right number twelve, there's two hundred saw he caught a 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:50.679 nice I did he did catch a nice in the 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.120 game though they found him though on a he ran 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.280 right through I mean right through the coverage to get 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.320 and to snatch a ball. The difference between from me 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.840 between and like a Cooper Cup is the route running. 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.200 And I'm not doing it again because I know the 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:06.760 skin color. I'm just saying the type of player he is. 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.760 I just for everybody loses their mind out there, Stills 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:11.679 as a route runner just needs a lot of work 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.679 for me, and I just I don't know. I finished 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.840 though Dane to finish, he he does a nice think 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:19.320 you don't think you don't think I like him. You 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.920 don't think he could escape in the NFL. I like him, 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:23.159 I just don't like I don't see him as the 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:26.960 top one hundred pick, okay, which Cooper Cup absolutely was. Yes, 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.400 Cooper Cup's a really good player too. Yeah, not too bad. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.840 I just talking about Finnish catch the ball he does 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:36.040 to ye he does. Dane's tell me body size and 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.679 all that stuff like that. One more question for me, man, 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.440 All right, Well we got to talk about the quarterbacks. Uh. 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:43.840 You know, I thought the heavyweight match was Drew Lock 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.000 Daniel Jones, who would look better? And I don't think 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.400 either really looked great. It was nervous about that one. Well, 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.879 it's just it's the process of figuring out these quarterbacks 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:54.920 is you know, last year, I think we had a 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.439 good feel. You know, we love Darnold, we love Baker. Uh, 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:01.080 you know, some questions about Alan's quite about Lamar Jackson, 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.040 but you know we had a good feel for those guys. 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.240 I thought pretty early in the process, or you know, 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.760 at least by March. I think it's going to take 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.600 the entire process to figure these guys out fully. Uh, 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.959 trying to be optimistic about him, I'm not. I'm not 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:14.719 here for that. I'm gonna ask you a question that 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.760 you hate. He's not here for that. I like that. 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:18.679