WEBVTT - Violence Haunts the Duttons 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.680 Hello everybody, Thank you so much for joining us again. 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:17.160 It's Jefferson White here, Jimmy Herdstrom on the PARAMOUNTA Networks, Yellowstone, 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:21.800 joined as always by Jen Land and Jen. How you doing, 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:22.919 Thanks so much for being here. 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:24.360 Thanks Jeff, how you doing? 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:25.640 I'm good. 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:29.960 I mean this, I gotta say I'm feeling it is 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:33.680 a pretty wild week in the Yellowstone universe here. So 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.479 not only in episode five oh eight of Yellowstone. In 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:40.280 season five, episode eight of Yellowstone, we've got danger on 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:46.839 the horizon, danger brewing, this seemingly intractable conflict between Jamie 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.240 Dutton and Beth Dutton boiling over, seeming like it's coming 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:52.440 to a head. It seems like it can only end 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:58.959 with terrible, perhaps fatal consequences. Not to mention in episode 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:06.840 three of nineteen twenty three, this absolutely shocking shootout, this 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:13.360 incredible action sequence, really wild time, exciting time to be 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:14.479 a Yellowstone fan. 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:16.959 So, Jeff, what you're saying is the theme of today's 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.440 episode is death. It's going to be really cheery, and 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:23.600 later on we are going to be talking about the 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:29.319 five most significant deaths on Yellowstone, and we're going to 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.160 be doing that with our guest. We have Lynette Rice, 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.559 who's going to be joining us. She is a senior 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.160 reporter at Deadline. She's a huge fan of the show 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.040 and jeff She's a New York Times bestselling author. 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.960 Yeah, you've got your picks. I've got my picks. Lynette's 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:47.240 got her picks. I'm extremely excited to dig into it, 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.720 hash it out, get to the bottom of this right 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:50.160 after this. 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:06.840 Okay, we're back. 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.959 I'm super excited, as morbid as that sounds to talk 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.520 about death and all of the most significant and my 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:14.440 favorite ones. 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.400 And we are going to introduce you to our guests. 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:17.560 Now. 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.120 This is Lynette Rice, again, a senior reporter Deadline, huge 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:21.840 fan of the show. 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.880 Hi, Lynnette, Hello, Hello, so great to be here. 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:26.520 We're super excited to have you. 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.480 I do want to ask Jefferson, have you ever asked 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.760 her to do one episode fully as Teeter? I mean, 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.080 she's not allowed to sound like Jen, she can only 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:35.560 be Teeter. 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.440 I've been begging her since the beginning. We did one 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.440 and then the producer called it incomprehensible. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.440 Which I thought was a little little rude. 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:46.799 I was going to say that, actually notes came down 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.280 the line that I was incomprehensible on this show, but 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:55.240 not because of my annunciation, just because I told stories 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.440 like that Sleep with Me podcast guy, which the whole 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:58.440 point is they go nowhere. 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:03.640 That would be a classic episode. 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:04.720 Lynnette. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.079 We feel it so lucky to have you with us 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:11.880 today as an expert all things, you know, entertainment and television, 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.840 and I'm excited to see you know, Jen and I 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.160 are a little bit biased in our opinions about the show, 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.440 so I'm excited for a little objective journalism. I'm excited 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.160 for a you know, a third party perspective and a 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.920 little bit of you know, rationality infused into this. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:32.200 Sure, I guess I could bring that objectivity. I'll be 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.640 objective about the way Kevin Costner looks, I promise. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:38.440 So I can't help. 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.840 But notice, you know, we've been talking about Yellowstone, We've 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.640 been talking about the whole Taylor Shared and Extended universe. 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.640 Eighteen eighty three, nineteen twenty three. You know, in the 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.640 first episode of nineteen twenty three, we hear a voiceover 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:54.880 from Elsa Dutton who says that violence has always haunted 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.800 the Dutton family, and we've witnessed that not just in 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.080 the actions of Yellowstone, but also throughout the course of 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.840 eighteen eighty three and now through the first few episodes 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.680 of nineteen twenty three, this family seems to constantly be 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:13.440 under attack, to constantly have to resort to violence to 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:17.520 protect their history, their culture, their way of life. And 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:23.400 so we've witnessed the terrible ramifications of that haunting over 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.040 five seasons of Yellowstone. Now, so I thought it might 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:31.240 be fun to rank our top five deaths across Yellowstone 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.040 eighteen eighty three and nineteen twenty three. So I'm gonna 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.839 get us started, and then I'm gonna kick it to you, Lynnette. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:42.320 My number five death is the death of Evelyn Dutton, 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:47.520 John Dutton's wife, as depicted by Gretchen mal in flashback 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.320 in season one of Yellowstone. We're talking about Beth's mom, 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:55.920 Casey's mom, the tragic formative loss that seems to have 0:04:56.040 --> 0:05:00.560 kicked off a lot of the struggle that John Dutton 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:05.680 is now weighed down by not having this partner, you know, 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.560 In eighteen eighty three we see a pair. In nineteen 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.080 twenty three, we see Helen Mire and Anne Harrison Ford, 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:17.000 this pair, this couple fighting together against outside forces. John Dutton. 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:21.080 It seems is sort of sitting on the throne alone 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.880 and for want of a partner, seems to be struggling 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.680 to hold his family together. So for me number five, 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.000 that's Evelyn Dutton. What do you think when Itte? 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.880 I totally agree there's so much drama there left on 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:34.760 the table. By the way, by killing her off. I 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.880 want to see Gretchen Maul's mom with Beth. I mean, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.240 I feel like she'd be kind of shrewy, she would 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.520 be like, oh, it would be the kind of mother 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.400 daughter relationship we all live for in cinema. So it's 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.640 too bad we don't have that. So yeah, I totally agree. 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:52.479 Maya my five. Can you guys remember that journalist who 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:53.719 died in the first season? 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:55.640 Yes, what the hell did she have to die? 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.080 I mean, I guess this sets up the kind of 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.040 you know, pooh head that you know Jamie is. I 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.960 think as he was responsible for her death. I think 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.400 that was the case. It seems so long ago, doesn't it, 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:11.320 But I remember her death. It's like, dang, she's gone, Wow, 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.280 this is this family exactly right. 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:17.320 Not only Jamie killed her, So Jamie first sort of 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.719 spilled his guts to her about all these these sordid 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.920 details about the Dutton family's history and then killed her. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:24.200 Yeah. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.600 The character's name is Sarah Wynn and the actress's name 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:28.480 is Mikaela Conlin. 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.960 She was almost my number five pick. She got edged 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.760 out slightly, I think, probably by my number one pick. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:39.800 But my five I can't talk about five without talking 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.960 about four. So my five and four, guys, I'm breaking 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:49.200 the rules. My five and four are Lee Dutton and 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:53.800 Robert Monica's brother because when Lee Dutton died played by 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:57.760 Dave Annabel, it was like the Sean Bean death and 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:02.560 Game of Thrones where I knew that nobody was safe, 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.960 that anybody at any moment could drop dead because they 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:11.840 killed him off. And number four being Robert Monica's brother, 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.320 because you know, now we have this like Romeo and 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:16.480 Juliet kind of thing. 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:18.440 So those are my five and four. 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.880 Yeah, it's very Romeo and Juliet, right, because Robert Long 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:26.720 kills Lee yep, and then Casey kills Robert Long, which. 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:27.160 Really, does you know? 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.400 It sets off the conflict of all of season one. 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.880 Season one is so much this kind of three headed 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:38.960 conflict between Rainwater, John Dutton, and Dan Jenkins, these people 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.360 who later managed to find common ground, but it takes 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.240 them a while. With such a rocky start. That's a 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:50.120 great one. So for me, Number four really mostly so 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.640 high on the list because of its how exciting and 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:58.080 fun a sequence. It was Rourke with the rattlesnake. Yeah, 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:01.360 rip in the river with the rattlesnake. You know, if 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:05.320 we're playing clue here. I found that incredibly satisfying. Rourke 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:12.040 was so expertly played as a smug asshole, interloping, getting 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.600 in far over his head, and then paying the ultimate 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:16.200 price for it. 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:17.120 I love that sequence. 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.280 Very kill Bill, you forgot to say hot. 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:22.640 He was very hot, very sorry, very hot, gentleman, very hot. 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:25.600 Rourke was not on my top five, Jeff, but I 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.000 have a star on my notes. I made my own 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:32.920 section called favorite death, which, like, by the way, I 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.400 have more than one, but that was my favorite death. 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.080 I remember reading that in the script and being like. 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:46.959 Yes, my four, I'm gonna say Casey and Monica's baby. 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:48.000 Why did they do that? 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.920 I mean, it's it's set up such an incredible season 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.720 for Kelsey. I mean, god, she's just been so depressed 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.160 and she's obviously done some of her best work on 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:00.720 the show. And really brought out in the dimension of 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:05.040 her character, of which I think was lacking, but that 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.079 still was kind of a wham. I mean, it's like, Wow, 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:09.200 what a thing to put on that little kid and 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.480 then to put her through and it involved it was 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:13.000 Was it. 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.439 A buffalo that it was evolved with? It was a buffalo? 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:15.719 Right? 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:17.400 Yeah? Bad newsman. 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:18.320 Yeah. 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.160 The classic beginnings and endings, you know. So, season five, 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.480 episode one, John Dutton is elected governor. It's this moment 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:30.600 of perhaps triumph and then the tragic loss of Casey's son, 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:36.680 also named John. So for me number three and perhaps 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.240 there's a little bit of Jimmy bias here, it's Fred. 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.520 It's Fred from season one, the first guy we saw 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:46.160 take into the train station. For those who may not remember, 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:50.960 Fred was the massive glute expertly played by Luke Peck 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.440 and Paul who just beats the shit out of Jimmy. 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:59.160 And then we see this incredibly satisfying immediate revenge as 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:03.720 Rip and Low come to Jimmy's aid and really punish 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.959 him on the spot. It's when we first hear Rip's 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:09.200 iconic line there's no fighting on this ranch. If you 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.800 want to fight, you come fight me. I'll fight you 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:16.200 all goddamn day. So you know, Fred makes the terrible 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.920 mistake of beating up a branded man, and you know, 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.240 we learn a lot from this sequence. We learned the 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.280 consequences of beating up a branded man, we learned the 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.160 consequences of fighting on the ranch. And also Fred is 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.760 the first character we see taken to the train station, 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.960 which will obviously be a recurring theme no doubt throughout 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:37.960 the rest of our lists. 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.719 Jeff, when I was searching the internet for all the 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.880 people who had died on Yellowstone because I forgot, I 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.160 was surprised that an inordinate amount had to do with you. 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.640 And I always think of Jimmy as this like sweet, 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.959 peaceful guy. But maybe Jimmy is the villain because there 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:59.280 were like seven deaths related to you, more than any 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.560 other care character, perhaps seven, like. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:06.880 In Really Something Crazy. I was like, God, Jimmy, just 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:08.240 if you go around. 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:08.600 Me, you die. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:09.360 Listen. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.800 To be fair, I think Casey kills seven people in 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.840 the first three episodes of Yellowstone. They didn't make the list, 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:19.400 So Jimmy, listen, Jimmy. Jimmy only participates in Jimmy Is 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:24.440 Jimmy is perhaps also haunted by violence, haunted by tragedy. 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:25.960 He's had a very hard life. 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.960 This the mid season finale, when we saw you, Jefferson 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:33.160 Uh in your new settings, to me, you look like 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.840 a completely different guy, especially because in comparison to that 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.880 first season. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Nothing's changed 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.640 about you in the They changed your look, but you 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.319 seem so different to me, Like you know, you've come 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.800 into your own You're mister true cowboy. You know you 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.079 have the beautiful woman I. 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:55.880 Mean, Lynette listen. I was already a fan of your work. 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.920 We knew, we knew that you had a sort of 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:03.760 clear eye in incisive style of journalism and reporting on 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.079 the ground. But this is really demonstrating your ability to 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.880 cut through the bullshit and get straight to the facts 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.520 of the matter. Thank you, thank you very much for 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:12.920 saying that. With that, and now I'm going to turn 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:16.760 it back on you. Your number three death, Yellowstone number 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:17.760 three death, Who is it? 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:18.360 Okay? 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:21.600 I didn't love that? Well, no, I took that back. 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.480 It was very interesting that we met Jamie's true dad. 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:29.840 I didn't love the character because he felt like a nuisance. 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:34.120 But I also still don't understand why Jamie killed him. 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.840 Because it's still his real dad, even though he was 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:42.199 kind of a butenski. I was shocked that Garrett, you, 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.480 obviously played by Will Patton, met his maker. That was 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.200 kind of a shocker because he was the only dude 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.120 left in Jamie's corner. 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:53.880 Really, yeah, it was brutal. 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:58.079 It really felt like about as machiavellian as Beth has 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.920 ever been. You know, Beth has Jamie for most of 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.760 their lives, certainly their whole adult lives. And forcing him 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.880 to kill his own father, sort of building this puzzle 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.600 box the only way out of which was killing his 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:21.560 own father, is perhaps as evil as Beth has ever been. Granted, 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.880 the argument can be made that Garrett Randall himself was 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:28.840 an evil man. He orchestrated the attempted hit on Beth 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:33.520 Casey John Dutton. So it's a complicated thing. And Taylor 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.960 loves to write these characters that aren't just bad guys 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:41.280 or good guys. They have redeeming qualities. Garrett, for how 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:45.600 sort of evil he himself was, also showed Jamie kindness 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:49.160 in a way perhaps no other character has, and Beth 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.360 for how much we love her, sometimes putting Jamie in 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.320 the position of having to shoot his own father in 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.040 the head. As you said, the only person that was 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.640 in his corner. About as evil as we've seen Beth 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:05.080 beat as well. Jen, I'm really excited to dig into 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.280 it and hear about your number three. But before we do, 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:08.040 let's go to. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:26.200 A quick break, all right, So we're on our number 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.640 three death, Lynnette. My number three pick is the same 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:34.520 as your number three pick, which of course is Garrett Randall, 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.760 played by Will Patton, Jamie's dad. Not just because I'm 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:43.760 obsessed with Will Patten as an actor, but because I 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:48.800 think that having to kill your own father crosses a 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:55.840 line of which you do not come back from Beth 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.640 by doing this. I think it's a monster of her 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:03.760 own creation. Him having to cross that line has created 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.080 a person that will cross any line, and I think 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:10.280 it's going to be and obviously he's looking like it already, 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:14.440 the biggest threat to Beth and John. 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.120 I think what's most significant about this death and kind 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:21.720 of really speaks to Taylor's thinking and obviously how he's 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:26.640 thinking of ahead. That death gave Beth the first introduction 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:30.760 to the train station she followed Jamie. She took that picture, 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:33.640 which ultimately she uses as a tool in the mid 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.560 season finale as a way to blackmail him into doing 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:41.000 what he does. But there there's some people who think 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.960 that how would she not know about the train station 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.000 until now? But I can see how she would know 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:48.640 about the train station, right. 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.040 Yeah, it makes sense to him, Jeff, go ahead. 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.720 I think it's it's plausible deniability, you know. I think 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:59.080 John has different soldiers for different tasks. He asks Rip 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.920 to take people to the train station, he asks Lloyd, 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.520 he asks Casey. I think Beth handles a completely different 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.080 side of the operation, and I think that, if anything, 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:13.520 it's smart leadership to keep those halves distinct. And there's 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.520 also I remember, very specifically, there's some stuff between Rip 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:20.000 and Beth where Beth asks Rip to tell her where 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.760 he's been, and he says, don't ask me that. That's 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.720 like the one thing I can't tell you. That's the 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.920 one thing I can't share with you. You know, they have 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:32.440 they are both soldiers for John, but in different arenas. 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.680 Yeah, it feels very much to me like both of 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:40.000 those men protecting Beth is a top priority, and so 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.320 to expose her to that in any way is dangerous 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:43.800 or deadly. 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:45.360 And don't I don't want to get I don't want 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:46.880 to get too much in the weeds here, by the way. 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:51.200 But train station is that a cowboy state saying? Have 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.480 you guys heard that before? I mean, why take to 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.200 the strength train station? Why not like take to the more, 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.160 take to the fridge? Do you know if like where 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.560 he came up with train station of all places? 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.760 Is that a saying, Jeff, do you I don't think 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:06.000 it's I think it's an invention. 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.800 I think it's an invention of the lore of this world, 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.480 so of Taylor's world here. And I think what's fun 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.280 about it too, is it also has a kind of 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:18.040 intergenerational linguistic flair clever. 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:18.840 It's very clever. 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.440 Yeah, because we don't know when people started doing this. 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:23.720 We don't know when the first time somebody went to 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:24.800 the train station was. 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.760 Yeah, Like you can also like you can say the 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:29.879 train station, like while you're you know, taking them to 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.119 the train station, while you're like sitting in a coffee shop, 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.240 you know, maybe getting your nails done. But you can't 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.320 be like take them to the morgue, you know, right 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:39.520 in the middle of a pedic Yeah. 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.639 It's it's code, yes, total code. 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.240 Yeah, And it leads to this nice open secret because 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.400 Beth probably would have heard somebody say, oh, take them 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.240 to the train station and not necessarily understood what that meant. 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.280 There's this very shilling sequence in season one, I think 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.560 when Walker is in the back of Rip's truck and 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:59.920 Casey says to Walker, Hey, wait a second, where you 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.959 guys going, And Walker says, al, he's going to take 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.800 me to the train station because he doesn't know what 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.479 that implies. You know, it leads to it's it's a 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:12.520 sort of almost mafia like secret vocabulary for those. 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:12.600 In the know. 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.840 You're gonna go to the Bear's dramatically satisfying. 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.080 Just to we're just going to the beach, kid, Uh, 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.879 that intergenerational thing, Jeff, like I thought it was. I 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.880 was thinking about how you know, at a certain time, 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:26.919 when you board the train to go somewhere else, like 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:30.399 you're not coming back because it's an incredibly long, arduous 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:34.639 journey or whatever. But I wonder if Taylor is going 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:36.600 to pay that off in a literal way. I don't 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:38.720 think he is, but I wonder if there will be 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:42.960 a very literal moment in which we see a body 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:46.119 earlier kind of go to the train station in a 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.679 different way. It actually is put on a train. I 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:50.000 don't imagine that happened anything. 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.479 Yeah, oh well, didn't we get the origin of the 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:57.280 train station when we saw the flash? Was that so 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:02.560 the the the kid that young rip beat up? Do 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.480 you think that was the first body to the train 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.240 station or was the train station already established before that? 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:09.639 It seems to me to be implied that it was 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:13.720 already established before that, and that Rowdy being taken Rowdy's 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:16.760 body being taken to the train station was another entry. 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:20.720 So it seems like, you know, young Lloyd who takes 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.280 that body to the train station was already familiar with 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:27.000 that practice. I'm excited to see if nineteen twenty three 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:31.080 is the one that like introduces that concept, because now 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:34.880 that we've got this range war erupting in nineteen twenty three, yeah, 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:38.679 maybe for the first time there's some you know, conflict 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.199 about the cowboy way of life versus this modern, you know, 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:45.800 proper appropriate avenue of justice. I'm excited to see if 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.399 nineteen twenty three gives us our first trip to the 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:49.000 train station. 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:51.080 Jeff, do you want to do you want to give 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:51.840 us your number two? 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:53.959 Well, my number two has got a bit of a 0:19:54.440 --> 0:20:00.639 Jimmy bias to it as well. So Jimmy's old life 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:05.320 kind of comes back to haunt him, particularly in seasons 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:10.480 Season two mostly you know, so Season two is a 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:15.720 violent season for Jimmy. He's confronted by some of his 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:21.240 old associates who end up beating his grandfather to death. 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:26.840 So his last living relative is his grandfather, Dirk Heardstrom, 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.200 who in the pilot episode of Yellowstone asks John Dutton, Hey, 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.800 will you take my good for nothing grandson onto the ranch? 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:36.840 Will you set him straight? So for Jimmy, I think 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:41.080 the death of Dirk Hurdstrom, his grandfather, represents the last 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.960 sort of tether to his old life and his old identity, 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:50.000 and in some ways represents this kind of rebirth. You know, 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.320 Rip says to Jimmy, I'm going to show you how 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.040 to take care of problem so they don't become bigger problems. 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:56.440 It feels like. 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.920 Those And then you know, the subsequent Jimmy and Rip 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:06.440 and the gang exploding the meth house trailer, killing Jimmy's 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:10.760 old associates. There's a series of very violent deaths that 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:15.080 seemed to me formative for this new Jimmy. The Jimmy 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.280 that we know now, you know, he has this kind 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.760 of rebirth away from his old associates and his old 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.960 way of life. So for me number two, it's Dirk 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:28.640 Hurdstrom and it's Jimmy's old associates, the drug dealers. 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:30.280 What do you think, Lynnette, my. 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:32.359 Number two is going to be Jens. I think it 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.440 was her four or five. It's Dave Annabel. I think 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:40.960 her comparison to Sean Bean in Game of Thrones was 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:44.760 apt because Sean Bean's character at the time, he was 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:48.040 the moral center of Game of Thrones and he went away, 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:51.560 and Lee Dutton represented all that is good about the 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:54.240 rancher's life. There was nothing bad about this kid. He 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:56.359 was just a good hard worker and he loved his 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.680 family and he loved his land. And they killed him. 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:02.880 So that was sad to see. And I also really 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:04.440 liked Dave Annabel. I was a huge brother as a 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:06.359 Sisters fan. I loved him on that show, so it 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:07.840 was sad to say goodbye. 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.959 You know. I can't help Leneppa draw some parallels between 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:13.600 the death of Lee Dutton and the death of John 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:15.280 Dutton Senior. 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:17.840