Speaker 1: All right, folks, Oscar's weekend, let's keep this thing going.
Speaker 1: Movie number four we have for you now and our
Speaker 1: cliff notes manyisodes to get you caught up before the
Speaker 1: Oscar ceremony on Sunday night. This movie is Frankenstein and Robes.
Speaker 1: This was one I was really really excited to see.
Speaker 2: I was excited to see it too.
Speaker 3: And look, we all, I believe at this point know
Speaker 3: the story of Frankenstein. This is adapted from Mary Shelley's
Speaker 3: incredible book that has had so many different adaptations. I mean,
Speaker 3: how many times from the theater to the movies. So
Speaker 3: many people have attempted this. But leave it to Guillermo
Speaker 3: del Toro to try and make it the best it's
Speaker 3: ever been done, and certainly he achieved, at least in
Speaker 3: part that because it's yes nominated for Best Picture, and
Speaker 3: not just Best Picture. We're talking nine nominations, Best Picture,
Speaker 3: Best Supporting Actor, Best Screenplay, Best Achievement in Production Design,
Speaker 3: Best Achievement in Costume Design, Best Sound, Best Original Song,
Speaker 3: Best Achievement in Makeup and Hairstyling, and Best Cinnamontographer.
Speaker 1: Now, this one stars Oscar, Isaac Jacob Ellerdy, who is
Speaker 1: our favorite actor now Christoph Waltz. I love that guy
Speaker 1: Mia goth in here as well. And of course the director,
Speaker 1: famed director Guillomo del Toro, who just this. I guess
Speaker 1: he's He's not a jump scare horror movie guy. He
Speaker 1: is an elevated horror movie guy.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean I was actually looking to remember all
Speaker 3: because he has dipped his toes into the horror genre
Speaker 3: more than once. So Pan's Labyrinth is the one that
Speaker 3: I remember. Crimson Peak, you remember that, yes, and then
Speaker 3: The Shape of Water, which won obviously that was an
Speaker 3: odd movie. That was a very odd movie. That was
Speaker 3: not my favorite movie of Karma del Toro. I love
Speaker 3: Pan's Labyrinth though, I remember that. Yes, he in perfect
Speaker 3: gear model Toro style. Took this to two and a
Speaker 3: half hours. What was the exact runtime on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get twenty nine, But you know what, if
Speaker 1: there's ever I just did a quick google and this
Speaker 1: is a Wikipedia how many feature films with Frankenstein four
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy oh mine. So it's been done over
Speaker 1: and over and over, and some of them have been
Speaker 1: really good. And this was one when I hear there's
Speaker 1: gonna be another Dracula or Frankenstein movie, I go, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: been there, done that. When I hear Giermo del Toro
Speaker 1: is attached to it, robes that's worth paying attention to.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and that absolutely was I'm sure part of the draw.
Speaker 3: In addition to mister Jacob, I'm fairly certain a lot
Speaker 3: of young girls or young women who might not have
Speaker 3: otherwise wanted to see this movie came just to see
Speaker 3: him in this movie. And look, I don't even know
Speaker 3: if we need to give the synopsis, but let's go ahead.
Speaker 2: For those of you who have never heard of Stein is.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oscar winning director Giermo del Toro adapts Mary Shelley's
Speaker 3: classic tale of Der Frankenstein, a brilliant but egotistical scientist
Speaker 3: who brings a creature to life in a monstrous experiment
Speaker 3: that ultimately leads to the undoing of both the creator
Speaker 3: and his tragic creation.
Speaker 1: That's a good synopsis. And this one radar, Yes, but
Speaker 1: this is one that it went directly to Netflix, so
Speaker 1: this did not get a chance to do any box
Speaker 1: office growth. This was a Netflix film. Yes, Jacob Ellerdy
Speaker 1: is a big draw. He is nominated as Best Supporting
Speaker 1: Actor for his role as Frankenstein, and he was the
Speaker 1: central excuse me, he's the monster, but yeah, Ropes, I
Speaker 1: mean you he was. You couldn't stop paying attention when
Speaker 1: he was on film. He didn't talk that much, right, No,
Speaker 1: So it took a lot of movement and effort and
Speaker 1: learning how to watch you know, right, the monster is
Speaker 1: going through that. So it took that type of acting.
Speaker 1: And I think to a great degree his perform rents
Speaker 1: is one worth checking out.
Speaker 3: And I think that probably was the biggest draw. I
Speaker 3: have to admit I didn't know. Why wouldn't this have
Speaker 3: gone to the box office? I'm curious something that ultimately
Speaker 3: ends up being nominated as Best Picture.
Speaker 2: It seems odd to me that it wouldn't have gotten
Speaker 2: especially with.
Speaker 3: Someone like Germa del Toro attached to it, Jacob Elherty
Speaker 3: attached to it.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't that not have gone to the theater?
Speaker 1: You remember Coda, right?
Speaker 2: I loved Code.
Speaker 1: Netflix has had several wins. They have a business model
Speaker 1: that does not include the cost of having to put
Speaker 1: movies into a movie theater. Knock yourselves out, do you think?
Speaker 1: But it has been working for them and their model
Speaker 1: sometimes robes as you know, the model they will adjust
Speaker 1: at times because they had to do with K pop demon.
Speaker 2: Hunters, right, that was true.
Speaker 1: A mega hit, and then they threw it in theaters
Speaker 1: for a little bit after it became a hit to
Speaker 1: make a little more money sing alongs.
Speaker 2: The bight the way.
Speaker 3: I don't think you're gonna get a sing along for Frankenstein.
Speaker 3: But yes, that does make sense that they realized, hey, wait,
Speaker 3: we this has been a phenomenal success.
Speaker 2: Let's try and capitalize on that.
Speaker 3: Now put it back into theaters in a way that
Speaker 3: maybe wasn't expected.
Speaker 2: And I get that you could take a.
Speaker 3: I don't know, some sort of a themed Halloween esque
Speaker 3: type of Friday the thirteenth even and put it back
Speaker 3: out maybe and try to drum up.
Speaker 1: But this is their model. This is they make movies
Speaker 1: for their for Netflix, and that is where they go, wow, you.
Speaker 3: Know, it's funny. I was looking at some of the
Speaker 3: reviews of this and they they were mixed because this
Speaker 3: was epic, this was this was uh, this was a
Speaker 3: long performance, as we pointed out, but they said some
Speaker 3: people complained that they what they missed. There wasn't that line.
Speaker 3: Is there a line that you can think of that
Speaker 3: you remember? The four hundred plus Frankenstein movies that are
Speaker 3: out there, there is always one.
Speaker 2: Thing that visually, it's a lot.
Speaker 3: Yes this For whatever reason, Giermo del Toro isci I
Speaker 3: did not to include that famous line it's alive in
Speaker 3: this movie, and some people were upset about that because
Speaker 3: they were expecting it, they wanted it. That was that
Speaker 3: thing you always attach and associate with Frankenstein.
Speaker 1: I did not think about it to this exact moment,
Speaker 1: that line. I hadn't thought about that line in years.
Speaker 1: But to your point, just amazing it. Everybody knows that line. Look,
Speaker 1: the critics and the audience were about the same on
Speaker 1: this eighty five percent and ninety four percent, the audience
Speaker 1: being the ninety four percent. But you said you read
Speaker 1: I think you've read through more of these reviews. That
Speaker 1: was a complaint, but any other complaints necessarily people that
Speaker 1: jumped out about this movie.
Speaker 3: Now, I just you know what, I think, it's hard
Speaker 3: to stand out when you have from a critics standpoint, right,
Speaker 3: they're looking at things critically. They've got all of the perspective.
Speaker 3: Perhaps that we don't how many Frankenstein movies if I
Speaker 3: seen not many.
Speaker 2: I was in the play in high school.
Speaker 3: So I'm familiar with the theatrical version of it on
Speaker 3: a very amateur level. But it's just such a known
Speaker 3: story it does take something significant to bring it or
Speaker 3: to make it exceptional when you've got so many things
Speaker 3: to compare it to. That's a tough thing to be
Speaker 3: up against when it comes to critics, and it's just
Speaker 3: how do you make a different I know there was
Speaker 3: a little bit of a prequel to the story that
Speaker 3: we're used to hearing when they started out, but other
Speaker 3: than that, you know, it was good, but it didn't
Speaker 3: get maybe perhaps the critical acclaim. Some of these other
Speaker 3: movies in the top ten got, you know.
Speaker 1: A god to claim it's him, Guielmo del Toro, he
Speaker 1: gets a certain level of respect. And you put Jacob
Speaker 1: Elerdy in a body suit for half of the movie.
Speaker 1: That don't work too.
Speaker 3: And I think the other complaint that I saw from
Speaker 3: a lot of folks is, yes, we know the story,
Speaker 3: but what makes a good story when you're emotionally involved.
Speaker 3: They said that this felt a little detached, like you
Speaker 3: didn't feel emotionally connected to the story, and that is
Speaker 3: when you start, like, if you're like especially going to
Speaker 3: tell a story, we all know, make me care more
Speaker 3: than I ever have before. Make me root for this,
Speaker 3: uh whatever, the monster, the creator, the lovengerest, make me
Speaker 3: care about somebody. A lot of folks said they weren't
Speaker 3: emotionally invested.
Speaker 1: There was Wasn't there so much talked about in this
Speaker 1: one about the makeup and whatnot. And I'm looking that
Speaker 1: they are nominated for costume design, makeup and hairstyling, production designstography.
Speaker 1: That all makes that all reads it. It is kind
Speaker 1: of it. It's dark, but it is beautifully shot.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, it's a beautiful film
Speaker 3: to watch and to experience, but it is missing a
Speaker 3: little something that for me would put it to the
Speaker 3: top of because this is in the horror genre, correct,
Speaker 3: so is it? Is it?
Speaker 2: Frankenstein has to be in the horror It's supposed to be.
Speaker 2: It didn't. It wasn't scary.
Speaker 1: This did not feel like a horror movie.
Speaker 2: It wasn't scary.
Speaker 1: Damn. I did not didn't even cross my mind that
Speaker 1: this was a horror movie. Yeah, and this is one
Speaker 1: we also did not, even though it was only a
Speaker 1: click away. We didn't watch this movie until we had
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: You remember how many times we would be scrolling through.
Speaker 1: This is true you tried to give me.
Speaker 3: I tried to get you to watch this so many times.
Speaker 3: I'm like, there's Frankenstein. I mean, Frankenstein's available. It's on Netflix.
Speaker 3: It's free, because that's another one of your caveasts that
Speaker 3: you don't like to pay for things that you don't
Speaker 3: have to because we have so many streaming.
Speaker 2: Services, why would you purchase something? So I'm like, here
Speaker 2: it is, it's free, let's watch it, and you're always.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, maybe later, okay, but watch it or skip it?
Speaker 1: Is the question I was about to ask you for
Speaker 1: your opinion there if after I finally said okay, let's
Speaker 1: watch it, did you then think to yourself, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was worth it. That's a question rogues Because I love
Speaker 1: Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. I love this story. I love all
Speaker 1: the movies that were ever made, good, bad, nother. I
Speaker 1: was so looking forward to this one. But how do
Speaker 1: we ultimately end up feeling about it? We'll tell you
Speaker 1: whether you we would tell you to watch or skip
Speaker 1: this sucker. All right, We continue here with Frankenstein movie
Speaker 1: number four. As we go through all ten and these
Speaker 1: mini sos, just getting you caught up little cliff notes versions.
Speaker 1: If you didn't get a chance to watch all twenty
Speaker 1: three hours and ten minutes the collective runtime of all
Speaker 1: these movies Frankenstein, though road. Your friend Nikki comes to you,
Speaker 1: your mom comes to you, if anybody comes up to
Speaker 1: you say, yo, I was going to watch Frankenstein. To
Speaker 1: now you think I should, I.
Speaker 2: Would say you can skip it?
Speaker 1: Really go on completely, I would.
Speaker 3: I would say you can skip it. I mean, look,
Speaker 3: if you want to watch it. I just feel like,
Speaker 3: compared to other movies that are original or different or unexpected,
Speaker 3: like you already know how this end, you already know
Speaker 3: this story, and for me to watch, I wanted it
Speaker 3: to be scarier. I wanted to care more about the characters,
Speaker 3: and I wanted to be a little bit more frightened.
Speaker 3: So for me, this would be a It wasn't a
Speaker 3: I'm not I don't regret watching it, but I wouldn't
Speaker 3: recommend why.
Speaker 1: And it's not a bad movie obviously, so that's not
Speaker 1: the suggestion at all. This robes eye was shocked and
Speaker 1: how much I didn't like this movie. Wow, I was
Speaker 1: shocked because I wanted to like it, Like everything is
Speaker 1: there and Oscar Isaac. I love that dude, love him.
Speaker 1: I could not. I didn't know what was going on
Speaker 1: in terms of me, like, why don't I like that?
Speaker 1: Why am I not enjoying this movie?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest. I fell asleep during a little
Speaker 2: bit of it.
Speaker 1: I couldn't underwhy was it baby that? I don't know
Speaker 1: everything was there or should have been there. And maybe
Speaker 1: it's just us, Maybe it's our our horror movie leanings.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I liked how it started,
Speaker 1: like I was loved how it Oh, yes, that's a
Speaker 1: good call. I was like, oh, where's this story? They're
Speaker 1: going to take it a whole new way. And then
Speaker 1: the whole movie ends up being a flashbag? Does it not?
Speaker 2: Yes? And so that was a little difficult.
Speaker 3: You know what is amazing this story was first they
Speaker 3: say nothing in top the nineteen thirty one classic of
Speaker 3: Boris Karlov.
Speaker 2: Do you remember watching It's been.
Speaker 3: A long, long, long long time, but black and white
Speaker 3: Boris Karloff as the as the monster Frankenstein. That is
Speaker 3: what everyone is comparing it to. And that is a
Speaker 3: tall order. When you have a classic that people love,
Speaker 3: that people refer to that people remember when they think
Speaker 3: of Frankenstein and look if like to your point, if
Speaker 3: anybody could do.
Speaker 2: It, you would think someone like here model Toro could
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: And again it's a nominated for an Oscar.
Speaker 2: It didn't hold my attention.
Speaker 1: Obviously, it was loved by Planting and this is an
Speaker 1: absolute quality movie for us and the Jacob I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what I was expecting from my monster, but that
Speaker 1: was there was a way that he was trying to
Speaker 1: I guess weave a story of the humanity of this character,
Speaker 1: of this monster that I just to your like you said, Robes,
Speaker 1: I didn't end up at the end, I didn't care
Speaker 1: if Frankenstein died. I didn't care if the monster died.
Speaker 1: I didn't care if Elizabeth died.
Speaker 3: About any of it, I have, but I do like
Speaker 3: what you just pointed out. The beginning of the movie
Speaker 3: was amazing. It was gorgeous, It was interesting, and it
Speaker 3: was something we hadn't seen before because it, like I said,
Speaker 3: it began with a prelude. And so you're in the
Speaker 3: North Arctic Sea and you've got this ship heading to
Speaker 3: the North Pole and you've got it's trapped with the ice.
Speaker 3: It can't go anywhere and all of a sudden find
Speaker 3: it wounded Victor Frankenstein and.
Speaker 2: And you don't know that following him is the creature, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I think that you know what that I'm thinking
Speaker 1: back to those scenes with the ship and the guys,
Speaker 1: because they had it at the end as well. A
Speaker 1: lot of that was cool. A lot of that did work.
Speaker 1: It really really did. I guess it was the chunk
Speaker 1: of something in the middle of the creation. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Oscar Isaac wasn't likable. He played an arrogant ass of
Speaker 1: a doctor Frankenstein and I love Oscar. I'm like, no, Oscar,
Speaker 1: I like you. So maybe all but the beginning and
Speaker 1: hearing the voice bring him to me, like with the
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, it started out really bring.
Speaker 3: Him to me might have been almost as good as
Speaker 3: it's alive.
Speaker 1: Maybe that was the replacement line because I'm sitting here,
Speaker 1: ah see. Yeah, he's more brilliant. He's just so elevated
Speaker 1: we can't even follow. But yes, that was our take
Speaker 1: on Frankenstein. Brope said, you can skip it. I would
Speaker 1: say watch it depending on what day it is, what
Speaker 1: time it is, and what mood you're in. Don't make
Speaker 1: this your feature film for your Friday or Saturday night.
Speaker 3: Just at least have lowered expectations that it gets slow
Speaker 3: in the middle, and if you go into it with that,
Speaker 3: maybe I always feel like expectations have such an impact
Speaker 3: on what my overall feeling is leaving the theater, and
Speaker 3: so if you just maybe keep your expectations to a
Speaker 3: little bit of a lower level, I had really high expectations,
Speaker 3: and that might be weighing into my feeling.
Speaker 1: Everybody's going to love it now because we just said
Speaker 1: expectations pretty low. Number five on the list is going
Speaker 1: to be Bogonia. I look for that one right after
Speaker 1: this one. It should be there for you. And Bogonia
Speaker 1: is one that even we're surprised we liked as much
Speaker 1: as we did.