1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: On buzz Night here for the Taking a Walk podcast, 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: and welcome to another classic replay. It was August fifteenth 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: of this year, a glorious day in South Philly. I 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: met up for an in person walk with Adam Wiener, 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: the leader of a great band called Low Cut Connie. 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: A new album out called Art Dealers. They're amazing live, 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: they've been touring the country, and let's go to this 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: classic replay with Adam from Low Cut Connie. Next on 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. Well, it's so great to be taking 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: a walk here. 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: In South Philly. Yeah right, oh yeah. 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 3: This is definitely South Philly. You can tell from the people. 13 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,639 Speaker 3: Everybody's gone an attitude. 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 4: Look at these people. 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: Adam, it's so nice to meet you too. As I 16 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: was waiting for you here, you'll dig this. So the 17 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: guy was walking with a baby and a stroller and 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: I heard him. 19 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 4: Go dud dud d dud dud d d. 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: And I couldn't help myself because sometimes once in a 21 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: while I am like the human Shizam and I went 22 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: Birdland and he goes, yeah, how'd you know that? 23 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 4: How? 24 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: I said, that's one of my favorites man man, Yeah, 25 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: And he started telling me. 26 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 2: He said he goes, I knew Jocko. 27 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: Who said you knew Jocko Pastorius whole he smokes and 28 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: we talked for five minutes. So I have always felt 29 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: the people from Philadelphia are tremendously friendly and. 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: The one bad rap I think that they deserve is there. 31 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: I think they're they're driving leads a little bit to 32 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: be desired. 33 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: Not good at driving. We're the meanest sports fans in 34 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 3: the world. You know, we can torture. We torture people here. 35 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: And you know when you heard the story about that 36 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 3: robot that came to Philly, that toured the world and 37 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: the people in Philly killed the robot and mutilated it. 38 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 3: It visited like all these different countries and cities and states, 39 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 3: but when it got. 40 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 4: To Philly, our people murdered this robot. So but I 41 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 4: will own conclusions. 42 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but I will say some of this 43 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: is legacy building, don't you think? 44 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, people in Philly like to be perceived 45 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 3: as tough. 46 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 4: If you know what I mean. 47 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 3: Where do you think that comes from an inferiority complex 48 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 3: to New York right to everywhere. 49 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 4: To everywhere? 50 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: Like you know that you know that slogan from the Eagles. 51 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 4: No one likes us. We don't care. They care. 52 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: If you have to say it, you care, right, No, 53 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 3: I mean, And it's like you got You've got New 54 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 3: York City right there, You've got Washington, d C. 55 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 4: Right there. 56 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: And Philly was the biggest and most important city in 57 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 3: the United States in the early part of. 58 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 4: This country, and then it wasn't. 59 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 3: You know, And that's still that's still thumb printed on 60 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: the city. 61 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: But I also think that, you know, the cities are 62 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: having a tough time these days, don't you think? 63 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 4: Every city? Absolutely? 64 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 3: And I think Philadelphia, I see. I love it here 65 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: because it's never the it city, you know, like if 66 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 3: you go to Nashville or Austin or San Francisco, these 67 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: are places that have completely transformed because they had some 68 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: sort of moment. 69 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 4: You know. 70 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: Philly plods along in its dis functional way, with all 71 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: of its charms, with all of its soul, with all 72 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 3: of its dysfunctions. And people may discover us, they may not. 73 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 3: People that live here love it, but it's never like 74 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: the in fashion, trendy city. 75 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 4: And I'm a okay with that. Do you think, though, 76 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 4: this thing. 77 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 5: About the cities is a bit of a journalistic click 78 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 5: bait these days, or is it really a problem how 79 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 5: the decaying of cities is occurring. 80 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:34,799 Speaker 4: I don't know if i'd use the word decay. 81 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 3: I wouldn't use the word decay, but changing, and in 82 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 3: some ways I think for the better. 83 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 4: There's some things. 84 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 3: This is the world because some things are always getting 85 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 3: worse and some things are getting better. You know, we 86 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: get the message that everything is getting worse, but some 87 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 3: things are getting better personally, personally in terms of COVID 88 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: and what it did to cities, there's some there's a 89 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: lot of negatives, but I think there's some positives too. 90 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 3: For me, I'm an artist living in the middle of 91 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 3: a crazy city. And when I was growing up in 92 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 3: the suburbs in New Jersey, you know, families with kids 93 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 3: lived out in the burbs, and the freaky, deaky people, 94 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 3: the artists, queer people, crazy people, people who are just 95 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 3: looking to live a different kind of life than you 96 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: can find in the suburbs come to the city. Well 97 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: over the last generation that change, like families are living 98 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,559 Speaker 3: in the city more and more and more, and artists 99 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 3: are getting priced out and people of color getting priced out. 100 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: The neighborhood characters getting lost, but during COVID. That changed 101 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 3: back when we went backwards again, a lot of the 102 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: families and stuff went out to the burbs again. And 103 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 3: I see a lot more freaky people in Philadelphia these days, 104 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 3: and I like that. 105 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 4: That's what I want to see. 106 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: Let's take a little walk here around this area and 107 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: see some freaky, deaky people. 108 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 4: In Yiddish, we say dre around. Let's go dre around around. 109 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: So this is Columbus Square, South Philly. 110 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you like to come over here and run 111 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: once in a while all the. 112 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 3: Time, yeah, all the time. And in fact, you never 113 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: know who you're going to see in this park. And 114 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 3: this neighborhood is kind of like the un you have 115 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 3: in that direction, a mostly black neighborhood in that direction, 116 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 3: of Vietnamese neighborhood in this direction is a Lebanese area 117 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 3: in Cambodian that way, Italian market there, Mexican market there, 118 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: and everything in between. You've got the Chinese area down 119 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 3: here on Washington. You hear every language spoken, And that 120 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 3: is what I love about this neighborhood. 121 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that too. 122 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: That's sort of you know when I think of great 123 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: places like well, Boston is that way where I live 124 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: Chicago's that way, certainly. 125 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like when I lived in New York City. 126 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: I lived in Queens for many years. Queens is like that. 127 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 3: It's like the un It's like Greek, Argentinian, people from Africa, Cambodia, Vietnam. 128 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 4: It's like everything. That's what I like about the city. 129 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: So take me back to growing up in the suburbs. 130 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: What town did you grow up in? 131 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 3: Cherry Hill, twenty minutes from here, the most suburban suburb 132 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 3: of Philadelphia. 133 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean. 134 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: Before I was born, it was like all farms. And 135 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: then in my parents generation and they built all these 136 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 3: very new. 137 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 4: Places. 138 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: They built the Cherry Hill Mall, which I worked at. 139 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: I worked at Macy's for years as a perfume in 140 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: Cologne spritzer. You know the people that attack you when 141 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: you go into the. 142 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 4: Mall and spray you. I was one of those people. 143 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 4: So I grew up. 144 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: I was like a mall rat Jersey suburb kid, and 145 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: all I wanted to do was go to a city. 146 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: And so when I was eighteen, I went to New 147 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 3: York City and packed up and I got into school, 148 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: which I didn't care about school. 149 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 4: I was just an excuse to move to New York. 150 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 3: I got a job the first week I was there, 151 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: playing piano in a restaurant, which led to all these 152 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 3: other bars and restaurants hiring me to play piano, and 153 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: I started my gigging. 154 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 4: Life, my performing life for real at eighteen. 155 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: But you must have had a sentence before that that 156 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: you had this intense musical connection. 157 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 3: I wanted to be an actor before that. I knew 158 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 3: I wanted to be on stage. I was the star 159 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: of all the plays in high school. I also had 160 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 3: a band. My music though, the songs that I wrote 161 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 3: that was a secret. I never played my own music 162 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 3: for anybody, and I don't think I ever thought that 163 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 3: I was ever going to do anything with my songs. 164 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 3: That was like my just for me, And so it's 165 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: a real twist for me to be out here in 166 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 3: the world as a professional songwriter singer. 167 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 4: You know, So who coaxed. 168 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: You to share the music that you had created? 169 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: I coaxed myself because when I got these gigs playing 170 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 3: piano in these places and people, you know, requested songs, 171 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: I started to write songs, you know, for the clientele 172 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: that was there. Like if I played in kind of 173 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: a shit kickery country place, I needed to have country songs, right. 174 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 3: If I played in the very upscale gay piano Bar, 175 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: I needed to have that material. 176 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 4: If I played. 177 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 3: In an Italian restaurant in Queens, which I did for 178 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 3: a while, I needed to have that repertoire. And so 179 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: I would start to write material to please the people 180 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: in the places I was gonna be and that turned 181 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: into songs that I'm performing in public for people that 182 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: I wrote, and a lot of times I was kind 183 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 3: of pawning my own songs off as cover songs, if 184 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 3: that makes sense. I wanted some of the material to 185 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 3: sound classic, right, Like if I played in this show 186 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 3: tune Bar, I would write songs that sounded like old 187 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: show tunes, right. 188 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 4: And I sort of developed a skill. 189 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 3: And I realized that, probably more than acting or any 190 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 3: other artistic pursuit that I was interested in, that writing 191 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 3: songs was probably the thing that I was most naturally 192 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 3: good at. 193 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 4: And so it kind of went from there. 194 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,599 Speaker 1: And did you have somebody that was sort of a mentor. 195 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: At that time? 196 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 3: No, not at all, not really, because song, if you're 197 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: a piano person, is a very solitary musical endeavor. You know, 198 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 3: there's a film actually that I love it's from forty 199 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 3: plus years ago. It's called Piano Players Never Played Together. Okay, 200 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: it's a New Orleans piano film, and it really captures 201 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 3: just in the title that you know, guitar players they 202 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 3: like jam together, drummers kind of like woodshed together, et cetera. 203 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: But piano we're very solitary. 204 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 4: You know. There's never two pianos together. 205 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 3: And if you play piano, you're trying to kind of 206 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 3: be the whole band, right, you got to be the 207 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 3: rhythm section and everything. So no, I didn't really have 208 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 3: anybody I can think of that was like a musical 209 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: mentor that I knew in person, until you know, the one, 210 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 3: the one person that comes to mind who only spoke 211 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 3: to one time. I went to Memphis, Tennessee. I went 212 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 3: to Memphis, Tennessee in two thousand and one. I did 213 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 3: a semester at the University of Memphis just because I 214 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: wanted to go to Memphis and listen to blues and 215 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: country and Elvis and just be there, you know, And 216 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 3: I got an internship at a radio station there. I 217 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 3: just wanted to be in Memphis. And I met this 218 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 3: guy named mose Vincent, who at the time was probably 219 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 3: close to ninety at that point, and he was a 220 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 3: piano player that had been playing and recording all the 221 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: way back to the nineteen forties. He played piano on 222 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 3: a bunch of early Sun Records sessions early fifties, pre Elvis, 223 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: and he had a gig at this place called Center 224 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 3: for Southern Folklore. I think it was every Friday night 225 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 3: he would play piano. This was like the very end 226 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: of his life. He had lost one eye. He was 227 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: like not well, and he just completely knocked me out 228 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 3: like his piano playing. And I talked to him and 229 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 3: told him I was a piano player. I come down 230 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 3: from New York. I wanted to talk to meet him 231 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 3: and see what he did. And he said, all right, 232 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 3: just stick with me. So I would go and watch him. 233 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 3: But that's the only time I ever spoke to him. 234 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 3: But I would say hit watching him was probably the 235 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: closest thing to like a mentorship, because I. 236 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 4: Really learned a lot from watching him. 237 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 6: But I think you're a historian of sorts when you 238 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 6: talk about music and influences, So who were some of 239 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 6: the other piano players. 240 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: That have had a big impact on you. 241 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: You know what's funny is a few years ago when 242 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 3: I had the privilege of hanging out with Elton John, 243 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: he was talking about piano stuff and. 244 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 4: How he liked my piano playing, et cetera. And he said, 245 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 4: you know, Adam, my. 246 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 3: Heroes were Little Richard, Jerry Lee, Lewis, Fats Domino. And 247 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: I said, and he said, I learned everything from them, 248 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 3: and I said me too. Plus you right, So I 249 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 3: love Fat's Domino. 250 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 4: Jerry Lee. 251 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 3: I mean, these are the great rock and roll piano players. 252 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: But also I would say Professor long Hair James Booker, 253 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 3: He's probably the greatest of the New Orleans piano players. 254 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 3: You know, on paper, so many, but I listened to 255 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 3: a lot of guitar music and try to interpret it 256 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 3: on piano, if that makes sense. 257 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 4: Sure. 258 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: So I am just as much influenced by Keith Richards 259 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 3: as a piano player, if that makes sense. Yes, Because 260 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: Keith the way that he plays guitar, the way that 261 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: everything has to do with feel and the riff and 262 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 3: the meat and potatoes of the song, not the showiosity 263 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 3: of it, like a like a like a Jimmy Hendrix 264 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 3: type of guitar player. That's been very influential on me. 265 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: So when Elton called you out, on stage at the 266 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: concert was in Philly, right, it was what was your. 267 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 3: Reaction, Well, I'm sad to say I wasn't there. 268 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 4: I weren't there. So what happened was I met him 269 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 4: before the show. 270 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 3: I went backstage, we hung out for a while. I 271 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: met Bernie Taupin was there the same night, so I 272 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 3: got to meet burn Ernie and you actually, you know, 273 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 3: it's an interesting story, timely story, because we just lost 274 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 3: Robbie Robertson. And the conversation was a lot about the 275 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: band because the first show that Elton ever did here 276 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 3: in Philly was at the Electric Factory, and the same 277 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 3: time that he was here, the band was playing at 278 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 3: the Spectrum. I think he was brand new. This must 279 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 3: have been nineteen seventy, right. And so my friend Larry Maggott, 280 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 3: who started the Electric Factory, I think it was him 281 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 3: who brought the band to check out this young kid 282 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 3: from England named Elton John. And Elton told me this story, 283 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 3: and he said that he idolized the band. He loved 284 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 3: their first couple records, and they came and they came 285 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 3: to talk to him, and he said it was such 286 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 3: an amazing experience meeting them that he and Bernie then 287 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 3: wrote a song Levon after meeting Levon, and then he said, eventually, Elton, 288 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 3: one of his son's middle name is Levon. That's how 289 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 3: much the band meant to him. But anyway, he's telling 290 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 3: me that story backstage in Philly and it's wonderful, and 291 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 3: he's saying all kinds of encouraging things about low cut 292 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: Connie and everything. He goes to do the show. I'm 293 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 3: watching the show. I am texting a million people. I 294 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 3: was just hanging out with Elton, John whatever, and I 295 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 3: was hungry, and I decided to leave because I had 296 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 3: just seen Elton's show like a month prior in Vegas, 297 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 3: and I had a six am flight to LA So 298 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 3: I left the show halfway through, I'm embarrassed to say. 299 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 3: And then I'm sitting at the fucking Penrose Diner across 300 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: from the Phillies game. I was eating a grilled chicken 301 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 3: palm and all of a sudden, my phone is ringing 302 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 3: crazy and Elton is talking about me on stage and 303 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 3: dedicating his encore to me, and everybody is. 304 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 4: Texting me, are you here? Are you here? Are you here? 305 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: And I wasn't there, So I wasn't there I'm embarrassed 306 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 3: to say at a moment you would like to get back, Well, 307 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 3: there's a two percent chance. 308 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 4: Two percent is the number. 309 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: I think that when he came off stage before the encore, 310 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 3: he asked, can we get at him out here? And 311 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 3: when they said we can't find him, he dedicated the 312 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 3: song instead of you know, there's a two percent chance 313 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 3: that he would have brought me out on stage. For 314 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 3: that reason, I would like to have a do over 315 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 3: just to find out. 316 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 4: But hey, what are you gonna do? That's the way 317 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 4: it goes. That's the way it goes. 318 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 2: Well, back to the band for a second. One of 319 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 2: the things about. 320 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: The band that I think was always intriguing was the 321 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: fact that, especially early on, they were. 322 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: Really hard to categorize. You couldn't really put them in 323 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: a particular box. 324 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: We hadn't heard anything really like the band at that point. 325 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 326 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: Is that something when people describe Loka Khannie that you 327 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: sort of like when people go, I don't know really 328 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: how to I know you guys are rock and roll, 329 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: but I'm not sure how to categorize you. 330 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 4: I've been called so many different things. 331 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: I always just say rock and roll. I think there 332 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 3: is a correlation with the band, because even though you 333 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 3: say when they first came out, you couldn't categorize them, 334 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 3: at the same time, their music was very classic and familiar, 335 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 3: like when you hear the Way or Cripple Creek or 336 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 3: the early songs, it sounds like it could have been 337 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 3: written one hundred years ago. 338 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 4: Or one hundred years from now. 339 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 3: That classic, you know, but at the same time new 340 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 3: and a flavor that certainly isn't popular at that time. 341 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 4: Right. That's what I hear about Lowcut. 342 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 3: Connie all the time, is that my songs, in the 343 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 3: way we present them, they seem very familiar, like it's 344 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 3: not experimental music, but it's also a little bit on 345 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 3: character uncategorizable because it falls between the cracks. And I 346 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 3: know this, I know the bad side of this because 347 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 3: the industry, the music industry, not the music, but the 348 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 3: industry is obsessed with categorization and genre and algorithm and 349 00:21:54,600 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 3: so matching to other people's sound gets you from further 350 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 3: in an algorithmic industry than doing something unique, right, Because 351 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 3: people who listen to Mumford and Sons a lot. If 352 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 3: you make music that sounds very similar to Mumford and Sons, 353 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 3: the algorithm will service you to those listeners. Right. My 354 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 3: music again, it's not experimental, but it does fall between 355 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 3: the cracks and people have trouble comparing it to something current, 356 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 3: and that works against me in the industry that makes sense. 357 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: I'll throw another band at you that defied categorization. I 358 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: wonder how you feel about Little Feet. 359 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: You're in this kind of area of music that I love, 360 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 3: like Credence clear Water where Little. 361 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 4: Feet where. 362 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 3: Again it's very familiar and draws on classic American things 363 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 3: but does it in a modern way. And that's sort 364 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 3: of where I live. But those kinds of approaches tend 365 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 3: to not be commercially successful. Like I've got my audience, 366 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 3: but I'm not on the pop charts or anything. 367 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 4: I can't compete with that. 368 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 2: So how do you feel about all of it? 369 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 4: I don't care at all. 370 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 3: I'm glad that I'm not in that a What a 371 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 3: terrible pressure and lifestyle it is to be in pop music? 372 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 373 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 3: I mean I have friends that are in that world, 374 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 3: and I've sort of flirted with it here and there, 375 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 3: and it is just a very unforgiving industry to be in. 376 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 4: I have. 377 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 3: I for me, there are artists like Lou Reed, Tom 378 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 3: Waite's Patty Smith. You know people that I really really 379 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: admire what they did in their music, and they did 380 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 3: it for decades and decades and decades. That's where I live, 381 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: you know, cult artists basically carving your own path. 382 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've had these moments of uh. 383 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 3: Or even like when you talk about Prince or James Brown, 384 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 3: people who are iconic and were commercially, massively successful popular artists, 385 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 3: but they were also cult artists at the same time, 386 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 3: cause most of their music that they put at out 387 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 3: was not for pop audiences and was you know, focused 388 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 3: on the music, the art, and the audience. It really 389 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 3: wasn't geared towards the industry, if you know what I mean. 390 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: But you've had these moments, you see, indipitous moments that 391 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: have occurred in uh your career to date. 392 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: The Elton one you just talked about. 393 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: There's this little event that happened with uh uh Barack Obama. Yeah, 394 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: tell me about how you discovered that that had happened. 395 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 4: Just like everybody else, I woke up. I had actually 396 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 4: just moved to Philly, and I was sleeping on an 397 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 4: air mattress in our house. 398 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 3: We didn't have furniture yet, and I we didn't have 399 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: air conditioning. It was like ten thousand degrees cause it 400 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 3: was August. And I woke up and my phone had 401 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: a million messages and uh, they all said potus playlist, 402 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 3: And I didn't know what that was. I didn't have 403 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 3: my contact lenses in and I just ignored it and 404 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 3: went through my day. And then a little while later 405 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 3: I investigated it, and I realized something cra something crazy 406 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 3: had happened. 407 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 4: And then when I saw. 408 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 3: The Obama there's a photograph that Pete Souza took of 409 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 3: Obama's hand writing the list. He's looking at his iPad 410 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 3: through his iTunes and he's choosing the songs and writing 411 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: them in under his hand. You can see oh cut 412 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: Connie boozophilia that and I really, you know, then I 413 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 3: knew something crazy had just happened. 414 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 4: And you get to go to the White House. I 415 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 4: did twenty sixteen. 416 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 7: I did, and he he came out, Adam great to 417 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 7: meet you. 418 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 4: Did you get a tour? Did they give you some food? 419 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 4: My god? 420 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 3: I was like, and I don't typically get starstruck, but 421 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 3: I was a little bit. 422 00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 4: Stammering. 423 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 3: I was, mister President, thank you thank you so much, 424 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 3: you know, and he said, hey, uh, when's your new 425 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 3: album coming out? I said, I'm working on it right now. 426 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 3: I said, okay, well, you gotta let me know. I 427 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 3: like what you're doing. I like your style. 428 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 4: Keep it up. Yeah, it was cool, it's awesome. 429 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: And then let's just get to the other moment two 430 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: w which was, uh, let's call it the Springsteen moment. 431 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 3: Oh man, Well, listen, I grew up in New Jersey 432 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 3: in the eighties, so. 433 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 4: Do the math, right. Uh. 434 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 3: Getting blessed by Bruce is like it's like the Pope drove. 435 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 4: By and blessed you. You know. 436 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 3: I went to see the Broadway show I think it 437 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 3: was twenty eighteen and he first did it and I 438 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 3: sat down in my seat. I'd got a ticket like 439 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 3: everybody else, and. 440 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 4: This guy came out and said, are you at him? 441 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 4: I said yeah. He said, low cut Connie right. I 442 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 4: said yeah. 443 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 3: He said hold on, and this this other woman from 444 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 3: Bruce's management team comes out and she said, you know, 445 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 3: he liked to meet you after the show. And this 446 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 3: is like thirty seconds before the curtain. And I was like, alright, oh, okay, 447 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 3: shit as really and uh she said yeah, go to 448 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 3: this door. Right when the lights come up, go to 449 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 3: that door. So we went in and Max Weinberg happened 450 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 3: to be there the same night. So I meet Max Weinberg. 451 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 3: We were in the Bruce's like little waiting area outside 452 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 3: his dressing room, and I had to take a piss 453 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 3: so bad. I hadn't peed in like two hours, and 454 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 3: I'm like, but. 455 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 7: If I pee right now, I might miss him whatever. 456 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 3: So I was like, fuck it, I I'm just gonna 457 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 3: go in his bathroom. And I saw like, go, I 458 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 3: come out and as him coming out. He's coming in 459 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 3: the room and he hugs Max, and then I go. 460 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 3: I put my hand out and I was like, hey, Bruce, 461 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: I'm Adam the band Low Cut, And he said, I know, 462 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 3: I know Khmire. He gives me a big hug and 463 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 3: a kiss. He's like, you guys are fabulous. You're from 464 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 3: Billy right and I said yeah, yeah. He said, you 465 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 3: guys are everywhere. I got to come see you guys. 466 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 3: I hear your live show is incredible. I said, wow, 467 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 3: I learned it from watching you. 468 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 4: You know, So it was amazing. Met Patty hung out 469 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 4: for a while. 470 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 3: He was extremely encouraging because the thing with Bruce Springsteen 471 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 3: is like the records. He's got a lot of classic records, 472 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 3: but it's his live show. It's him as a live 473 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 3: performer that I think is his true gift and his 474 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 3: legacy really, and that is kind of like me as well. 475 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 3: I have developed over the years, tried to turn myself 476 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 3: into this perform that people remember, you know, and give 477 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 3: something to people live that they take home with. 478 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 4: Them and talk about and wanted to see again. 479 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 2: You know, what's the first Bruce show that you saw? 480 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety nine or ninety the first reunion of the 481 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 3: Somebody smarter than me can look up the date of 482 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 3: when the EA Street Band first got back together. It 483 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 3: was ninety eight or ninety nine, right, and I was eighteen. 484 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 4: That's when I first started going to concerts. 485 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: So was it New York? 486 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 3: I saw him in New Jersey in the Meadowlands, I 487 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 3: think it was, and that was earth shattering. Not that 488 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 3: long after that, I saw Iggy Pop reunited with the 489 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 3: Stooges and that was earth shattering. Saw James Brown right 490 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 3: here at Philey on the waterfront, that was earth shattering. 491 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,479 Speaker 3: I remember James Brown did a song about the Columbine shooting, 492 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 3: had just happened. 493 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 4: He had a song. 494 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 3: Killing is Out, School is In coming back to mall 495 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: and try it again, Killing his Out. 496 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 4: He was writing about. 497 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 3: Gun violence and as a as a as a older 498 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 3: legacy artist, he was something else, you know. 499 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 4: He was the real thing. James Brown. 500 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: Who first inspired you musically as far as having a 501 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: social conscience about what you write about. 502 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 4: I guess I guess I. 503 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 3: Would say Bob Dylan because I remember I grew up 504 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 3: on pop music like everybody else Madonna, you know, and 505 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 3: I love pop music in the eighties, but I remember 506 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 3: being about fifteen years old and hearing a cassette tape 507 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 3: and it was probably Bob Dylan Greatest Hits, Volume one, 508 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 3: and it completely stopped me in my tracks because it 509 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 3: expanded my thinking about what a song could do. He 510 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 3: has that song, The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll that 511 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 3: is not only socially conscious, politically you know, potent, but 512 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 3: it's an incredible character study. 513 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 4: It's so evocative. 514 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 3: You can picture what's happening, who this person is, what 515 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 3: the feeling in the room is, and it's like a 516 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 3: mini movie. And that's one of those moments, and I've had. 517 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 4: A few in my life. 518 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,959 Speaker 3: Where I heard music that made all other music sound dumb, 519 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 3: you know. 520 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, what a way to put it. 521 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 3: It was hard after that, it was hard to go 522 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 3: back to listening to I don't know, the Backstreet Boys 523 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 3: or whatever was on the radio at that time. I 524 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 3: remember hearing the Velvet Underground for the first time when 525 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 3: I was about twenty and hearing that first Velvet Underground 526 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 3: album and then absolutely devouring all of their four albums 527 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 3: and then devouring all. 528 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 4: Of Lou Reed's solo. 529 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 3: It made a lot of other music sound very trite, 530 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 3: very trite, you know, And I was like, well, I 531 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 3: guess I'm gonna throw a lot. 532 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 4: Of my records away start over. 533 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 3: But yeah, there's certain people that can cut through with 534 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 3: a song and make you really feel something and maybe 535 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 3: understand something. 536 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 4: And the most powerful. 537 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 3: Is when a song, like you're talking about socially conscious songs, 538 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 3: instead of teaching you something, it's just showing you something 539 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 3: you already knew instinctually. That is when when something I 540 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 3: think really is nailing it in a song. 541 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: You prefer the subtle approach or the hit you over 542 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: the head with a two by four approach. 543 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,959 Speaker 3: I I don't know, you could you could go both ways, 544 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 3: but everything has to come from the music first, cause 545 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 3: see I'm a musician first, and the the the lyric side. 546 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 4: I've learned. 547 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 3: I've gotten better, but I wake up every day with 548 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 3: music in my head more than words, if that makes sense. 549 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 3: And I think that if the music isn't strong, then 550 00:34:53,239 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 3: the song's not gonna be good. So from a lyrical perspective, it. 551 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 4: Kind of doesn't. 552 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 3: You could be subtle, you could be aggressive, but it 553 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 3: has to really match the music. That's what songs are 554 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 3: there for, you know, whether it's the melody or the rhythm, 555 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 3: it's got to be something that you can feel instantly, 556 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 3: because otherwise you have a poem, you know, which is 557 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 3: something else. 558 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: Let's saunter a little bit more and take us through 559 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: the evolution of Lowka Connie, because it's really kind of 560 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: going through, quote the personnel side of evolving. 561 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 4: What are you talking about. I've only had thirteen drummers, 562 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 4: isn't it spinal tapis man? Did they explode? I don't 563 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 4: know a few of them. Possibly, I don't know. 564 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 3: No, I mean yeah, we've had twenty five plus people 565 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 3: in the band, and I'm the only consistent through line. 566 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 3: Although I gotta give props to Will Donnelly, my guitar player, 567 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 3: who has been with me for ten years this fall. 568 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 3: He's been with me since the third album. I don't 569 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 3: know buzz like things. I just think that you got 570 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 3: to grow and change all the time. I don't like 571 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 3: when I hear a musician put music out that's the 572 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 3: same thing as they did before. I want to hear 573 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 3: a new thing, and it might not be their best, 574 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 3: But I like artists that try. You know, Prince was 575 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 3: somebody that always always changing. David Bowie was always changing, 576 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 3: Madonna always changing, Neil Young, you know, he's always doing 577 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 3: things and every other thing is good and every other 578 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,240 Speaker 3: thing is terrible, but he's always trying something. 579 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 4: You know. I like that. 580 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 3: So I guess I have a restless thing with my 581 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 3: performance and my music, and so it is always changing 582 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 3: and evolving, and I think that's fine and the fans, 583 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 3: most of the fans are stuck with me. 584 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 2: So but it also stems from you tour an awful lot. 585 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, and you always have these performances that 586 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: are memorable and that people want to come back from 587 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: more on, I hope. 588 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 3: So initially we were a recording band that couldn't tour 589 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 3: because we had the one guy in England and then 590 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,760 Speaker 3: the two guys in Florida, and we would get together 591 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 3: a few times a year, and the record, the record 592 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 3: was being reviewed and Rolling Stone and NPR and USA 593 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 3: Today and Guitar World and New York Times, but we'd 594 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 3: only play five shows, you know, a year in the beginning. 595 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 3: Then the whole script flipped and we became a live 596 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 3: band and built this whole other reputation in the sort 597 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 3: of the second chapter. And that's why I really relate 598 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 3: to people like Springsteen, because initially it was this Columbia 599 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 3: Records singer songwriter. 600 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 4: Identity that he had, but then it was this. 601 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 3: Powerful rock and roll show that he toured the country 602 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,399 Speaker 3: with over and over and over and over again, which 603 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 3: I can really relate to that. 604 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 2: How difficult was it these COVID years. 605 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 1: I know you recorded the Quarantine sessions there. 606 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 3: I thought the COVID years were fantastic. I am no, 607 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 3: I mean, it was a horrible time, but creatively it 608 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 3: was fantastic because Will and I did one hundred plus 609 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 3: livestream shows with this thing called Tough Cookies, and I 610 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 3: became a TV host for a year and a half 611 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,720 Speaker 3: and I absolutely fucking loved it. So I actually really 612 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 3: cherished that time because I really I felt like what 613 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,240 Speaker 3: we were doing was really reaching people and was meaningful 614 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 3: of people. And when you're a musician or an artist, 615 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 3: you never know if it means anything to anybody. That 616 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 3: was a time I knew it meant something people when 617 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 3: I saw nurses showing it in the hospitals and the 618 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 3: ICUs our show, when I saw very ill people sending 619 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 3: us messages you know, thank you, You're keeping me going, 620 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 3: You're keeping my spirits up. 621 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 4: It was fantastic. 622 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 3: And I decided to just keep doing it until we 623 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 3: could tour again, which took. 624 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:23,919 Speaker 4: A year and a half. 625 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 8: So and you like interviewing, I do, yeah, which is 626 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 8: another thing I started doing during the pandemic. 627 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 4: I'd never done before. Yeah. 628 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 3: I got to interview oh Man, Dion, Frankie Valley, I 629 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 3: got one of the last interviews with Mike Nesmith from 630 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 3: the Monkeys. I interviewed most of the members of Sly 631 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 3: in a Family Stone, Larry Graham, Nancy Wilson, from Heart, 632 00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 3: on and on and on. 633 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 4: It was at absolutely fantastic. 634 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: I would imagine as somebody who's enjoys being a student 635 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: of things and always trying. 636 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 2: To improve upon it. 637 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: That just like your music, with your interviewing approach, you've 638 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,839 Speaker 1: always kind of gone back and said, well, maybe next time, 639 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: let me tackle it this way or this way. 640 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you learn, You learn for sure, And I'd 641 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 3: like i'd READO on a few of those interviews, But. 642 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 4: You learn. Yeah. 643 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 3: I mean, like, that's the thing about any kind of performance. 644 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 3: You can't You have to learn by doing, which means 645 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 3: you have to bomb before you can hit. 646 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:56,240 Speaker 1: You know, what would you tell somebody now who's a 647 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: musician on the way up, we're trying to be on 648 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: the way up? 649 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, this advice would you give them? 650 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 3: You know it sounds harsh, but it's what I was 651 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,240 Speaker 3: told when I first started. 652 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 4: If you can do anything else, do it. 653 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 3: Meaning it's the people that have such a drive and 654 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 3: passion for the art life that they will put themselves 655 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 3: in a lifestyle that will be very very difficult, be 656 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 3: very challenging. Most people can't hack that. So you got 657 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 3: to really want it bad and be willing to look 658 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 3: in the mirror in order to get better at what 659 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 3: you do, which is what the real. 660 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 4: Task is the hardest part. 661 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 3: I don't care if you're a dancer, an actor, a writer, 662 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 3: a painter, a singer, whatever you are. The hardest part 663 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 3: that people don't want to say is you've got to 664 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 3: look in the mirror. 665 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 4: And self correct. 666 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 3: You've got to admit when that song is just not 667 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,800 Speaker 3: good enough, when the show is just not good enough, 668 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 3: when you're singing, isn't that good? I got to make 669 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 3: get better when every aspect of it. You've got to 670 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 3: be truthful about. If you have the belief that you're 671 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 3: as good as you're ever gonna be, you should probably quit. 672 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 3: That's what I would That's my Philadelphia attitude. By the way, 673 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 3: somebody else would give you different advice, that would be 674 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 3: a little more hippie dippy. 675 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 4: That's not me. 676 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,879 Speaker 3: I came up the hard way, and I think it's 677 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 3: fair to tell young performers, writers, musicians go out there 678 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,800 Speaker 3: and do it and do it over and over again 679 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 3: and fail at it and then correct right. Steve Martin 680 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 3: has a book called Born's Standing Up that's all about 681 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 3: his stand up comedy career before he it was a 682 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 3: movie star. And read that book. It's one of my 683 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 3: favorite books about becoming a performer. How many times and 684 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 3: in how many different ways did he bomb and for 685 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 3: how long he tried to do magic. He tried to 686 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 3: be a folk singer, he tried to be an impressionist, 687 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 3: he tried to be an actor, he tried to. 688 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 4: Be a writer. He tried to do it. 689 00:44:53,640 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 3: All, and he did not succeed until he realized what 690 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 3: his actual performance should be, which was to combine all 691 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,359 Speaker 3: of them right. 692 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 1: And the guy's a master now of everything. 693 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 3: He became a master. He became a master. He wasn't 694 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 3: a born genius. He became a master of his craft 695 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,240 Speaker 3: through a lot of work and a lot of failure. 696 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,400 Speaker 3: And it's so valuable to go out on stage and 697 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,400 Speaker 3: feel confident because you know exactly what you're doing, and 698 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:37,720 Speaker 3: that that takes a long time. 699 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 2: So what do you got planned for the rest of 700 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 2: the year. 701 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 3: Man, I got a new album coming out in three weeks, 702 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 3: Art Dealers, September eighth. We're doing a long tour September 703 00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:01,279 Speaker 3: October Eastern US tour, and I have a film coming out. 704 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 4: I made a movie, also called Art Dealers. 705 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 3: The film is going to be showing at the Richmond 706 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,399 Speaker 3: International Film Festival and the Sound Unseen Film Festival. We're 707 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 3: going to start doing screenings of it for the public 708 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 3: this winter, and then we'll see what happens with it. 709 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 3: And then I'm very excited to say I've got a 710 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 3: radio show that I'm going to be doing next year. 711 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,239 Speaker 4: I'm busy. I don't know what to tell you. 712 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,759 Speaker 2: What's the radio show giving me? 713 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 4: The Countie Club. I did it in twenty nineteen. 714 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,480 Speaker 3: I did a little quick pilot month that got completely 715 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 3: derailed by COVID. 716 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 4: And now it's coming back. 717 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 3: It's going to be on radio station here in Philadelphia 718 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,840 Speaker 3: called WXPN, and I'm going to be live streaming and 719 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,279 Speaker 3: doing all these fantastic tapings with live guests. It's a 720 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:05,879 Speaker 3: variety show, but the whole point of it is that 721 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:12,839 Speaker 3: you're getting a live audio broadcasts from this fictional dive 722 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 3: bar called the Countee Club, where all kinds of crazy 723 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,879 Speaker 3: people hang out and fucked up things happen, and it's 724 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 3: a crazy Saturday night at the Countee Club. 725 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 4: That's great. 726 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: WXBN legendary radio station for sure, And I know radio 727 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,400 Speaker 1: has some significance to you. 728 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 2: Certainly. 729 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,320 Speaker 1: We talked offline about this a little bit, but even 730 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: on your Jerry Glavitt to tribute if you will. 731 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you lived in Philly long enough to know 732 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 3: who Jerry is. 733 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,920 Speaker 4: Sure some of your listeners probably don't know. 734 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 2: I think so. I think the East Coast word travels. 735 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:55,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 736 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 3: You know, well, if you're listening to this and you 737 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 3: don't know who Jerry Blavitt aka the Geater with the 738 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,959 Speaker 3: Heater was, look it up. He was the ultimate ultimate DJ, 739 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 3: the ultimate exciter in the room. And I don't think 740 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,959 Speaker 3: it's wrong to say he was an absolute icon in Philadelphia, 741 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 3: like one of the most famous people in the city, 742 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 3: if you know what I mean. 743 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,399 Speaker 1: Everybody knew him, I would say, so. 744 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:26,400 Speaker 4: All through his radio. 745 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I think he had the East Coast words. 746 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,160 Speaker 1: I remember first before I was doing work down in Philadelphia. 747 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 1: Another person who I think you and your performance remind 748 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 1: me of is Pete Wolf, the Wolf of Goofah. He 749 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 1: I remember him talking about the the Heater, the Heater 750 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:49,280 Speaker 1: with the Geater. 751 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:49,799 Speaker 4: Yeah. 752 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,239 Speaker 3: I mean that's from a generation of DJs that were 753 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 3: really entertainers. They weren't just the people that hit play, 754 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 3: they were the entertainers themselves, you know. 755 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:07,400 Speaker 1: So in closing, do you have any concept of where 756 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 1: our society would be if music wasn't such an active 757 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:13,200 Speaker 1: part of it. 758 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,880 Speaker 3: Well, I it's it's it's trite, but I I I 759 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:21,640 Speaker 3: think it's true. 760 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:28,440 Speaker 4: Even in my kind of pessimistic view of things. 761 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:36,440 Speaker 3: Music really is the connecting glue between people. There's every 762 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,399 Speaker 3: reason you can think of now that people would be 763 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:50,400 Speaker 3: uh divided and antagonistic and disconnected right in a in 764 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,879 Speaker 3: a very acrimonious way, like we're going through something now 765 00:49:55,080 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 3: in the United States that we don't understand the change 766 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,400 Speaker 3: that are happening right now in the United States culturally 767 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,360 Speaker 3: that other countries with longer histories have gone through before. 768 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:18,560 Speaker 3: They've gone through periods of time with you know, fascist 769 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:25,200 Speaker 3: regimes and neighbors you know, ratting on each other to 770 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,960 Speaker 3: the government, and all kinds of terrible things that other 771 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 3: countries have gone through, and now we're just starting to 772 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:37,759 Speaker 3: go through this really increased period of animosity between people culturally. 773 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:39,640 Speaker 4: It's a sad thing. 774 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:45,000 Speaker 3: Music is probably the only thing we have, maybe sports, 775 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,359 Speaker 3: but music, but that's team versus team. 776 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,600 Speaker 4: Music is a thing that absolutely. 777 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,960 Speaker 3: Unites people. And I know this firsthand because I do shows. 778 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,279 Speaker 3: I do these free shows in the summer where I 779 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,120 Speaker 3: go to towns and counties and do these public events 780 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:12,560 Speaker 3: where anyone can show up, black, white, gay, straight, Republican, democrat, old, young, whatever. 781 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,359 Speaker 3: You get everybody at these shows, and the scene is 782 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 3: set for animosity. Let me tell you, I've walked down 783 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,960 Speaker 3: on stage and situations where people were already screaming at 784 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 3: each other. And it's my job to try to find 785 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 3: a pathway through music that I can actually get them 786 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:39,880 Speaker 3: all together. It's challenging, but you can do it without music. 787 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:40,440 Speaker 4: You can't. 788 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:47,799 Speaker 3: It's a fundamental need that we have, is the need for. 789 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 4: Music in our society. I wish it was valued more. 790 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,759 Speaker 3: I wish it was valued more in our society, in 791 00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:01,279 Speaker 3: our schools and in our publics, in public spear. But 792 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:09,080 Speaker 3: I see it firsthand, the power of music. I have fans, 793 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,160 Speaker 3: people that come to my shows and follow me who 794 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 3: are absolutely on the opposite side of the political spectrum 795 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,600 Speaker 3: for me, and they let me know it, and I 796 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,360 Speaker 3: work hard to try to keep them at the table. 797 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:30,120 Speaker 3: Maybe I'll change their perspective, maybe I won't, but I 798 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:36,600 Speaker 3: still welcome them into the room on the offhand chance 799 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,400 Speaker 3: that they might see a broader. 800 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:44,080 Speaker 4: Spectrum in our society. All Right, it's a lot of work, 801 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:45,640 Speaker 4: but it's worth it. I think. 802 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 2: I think it's definitely. 803 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:54,239 Speaker 1: Worth it, and I'm so grateful. We got to put 804 00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,160 Speaker 1: some steps on and Columbus Square playground. 805 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,359 Speaker 4: We drained around the park. 806 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a two at times. We debated going 807 00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,919 Speaker 2: in the pool over there, but I think that would 808 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:11,360 Speaker 2: have gotten a little Adam. Thanks for being I'm taking 809 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:11,680 Speaker 2: a walk. 810 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,239 Speaker 4: I appreciate it. That's my man. 811 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,880 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 812 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,800 Speaker 2: Walk podcast. 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