Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
Speaker 1: in Heels. The show is all about celebrating the most
Speaker 1: extraordinary superwomen who will be sharing their incredible journeys to
Speaker 1: the top, all while staying glamorous. Today with me, we
Speaker 1: have my favorite duo of festies, the incredible Cleia Cher
Speaker 1: and Joanna Teplin from the Home Edit. Together, we speak
Speaker 1: about the beginnings of their insane organizational skills, like actually insane,
Speaker 1: moving to Nashville and why both for their husbands and
Speaker 1: meeting on a blind friendship date that turned into their
Speaker 1: most amazing business. The girls also talk about when they
Speaker 1: have their moments where they need to mentally shut off, relax,
Speaker 1: and of course recuperate, but of course they're still together
Speaker 1: during absolute silence. First of all, I'm so happy to
Speaker 1: see you both and speak to you both, and you
Speaker 1: know you're such dear friends. I obviously know how you
Speaker 1: guys came together. I don't want to make you tell
Speaker 1: your whole life story, but what I do want to
Speaker 1: talk about, how in God's.
Speaker 2: Name did you get here.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I remember meeting you for the first
Speaker 1: time and hearing about you from a few friends, and
Speaker 1: I obviously fell in love with you guys because you
Speaker 1: were so funny and so silly and so passionate, right
Speaker 1: And for me, the magnet that I have to certain
Speaker 1: people are when they have a passion for what they do,
Speaker 1: no matter what it is, If you like are smiling
Speaker 1: and excited and put your whole self into it, to me,
Speaker 1: that's the draw right absolutely, And so I think with both.
Speaker 2: Of you it's very clear this is your passion.
Speaker 1: All you have to do is spend ten minutes with
Speaker 1: you in any closet or anywhere, and the OCD really
Speaker 1: kicks in high. And so sure I want to kind
Speaker 1: of understand a little bit. Who were you as a kid?
Speaker 1: Like were you always like cleaning up? So sure, both
Speaker 1: of you like that are not?
Speaker 3: Really this is actually my favorite question.
Speaker 4: Joanna's smiling because she knows, like truly this just is
Speaker 4: it hits to my soul because the most amazing thing
Speaker 4: is that I was. But Joanna went through a real
Speaker 4: flob period. That is just it's like my favorite thing
Speaker 4: for people to ask. I love it, But I think
Speaker 4: she pays people to ask. I literally am like, if
Speaker 4: you could just ask this question because all this you
Speaker 4: know what, here's what I'll tell my story and Joanne
Speaker 4: can explain.
Speaker 2: But it's beautiful. Can I tell you why?
Speaker 1: Because it shows that there's hope for people that aren't
Speaker 1: like Clea.
Speaker 2: So Clia tell me, So you were born like this.
Speaker 4: So I was born this way, and I now use
Speaker 4: my powers for good and not evil. But when I
Speaker 4: was a kid, I would spend an inordinate amount of
Speaker 4: time in my room making everything just so. I would
Speaker 4: move furniture around, like what I would do on like
Speaker 4: spring break.
Speaker 3: I remember the first day of spring break.
Speaker 4: I was like, well, this is this room is my home,
Speaker 4: like this is my apartment, and I am going to
Speaker 4: make sure that every like my bed is made every morning,
Speaker 4: that everything is perfect. And I was going to set
Speaker 4: up my little you know, my reading station whatever it was.
Speaker 4: You know, back of the day, we didn't have iPad,
Speaker 4: like this was like my the what I did in
Speaker 4: my room was my entertainment.
Speaker 1: That way, you just want to take the electronics for
Speaker 1: our kids, so they do the same.
Speaker 3: I kind of do.
Speaker 4: And Stella, if she were here, she'd be like, oh,
Speaker 4: but like I do that just on roadblocks, Like I
Speaker 4: like make like a nice room.
Speaker 3: But I just I'm like, Okay, that's not the point.
Speaker 4: But there was a portion of my younger life before
Speaker 4: my mother remarried and then my stepdad went to adopt me.
Speaker 4: But my mother was a single mom until I was
Speaker 4: in I would say, the fourth grade, fourth or fifth grade.
Speaker 2: It's pretty pivotal, it is.
Speaker 4: It was pivotal. And my mom was the hardest worker ever.
Speaker 4: She inherited my grandfather's business, and even when she and
Speaker 4: she just retired a few years ago, my dad has
Speaker 4: been like begging her to not but it's just it's
Speaker 4: who she is. And everyone in my family join and
Speaker 4: I talk about this a lot. Every single person in
Speaker 4: my family is an entrepreneur. No one ended up working
Speaker 4: for a company. Everyone worked for themselves, and so that's
Speaker 4: what I witness growing up. And that's, you know, I
Speaker 4: think where my footsteps kind of fell in.
Speaker 1: So your kids, So, do your kids love it? Do
Speaker 1: they reject it? Do you think it's just you're born
Speaker 1: with it or not? Because I have one that is
Speaker 1: and one that isn't.
Speaker 4: It's really interesting and I find myself being hopeful and
Speaker 4: frustrated at the same time because I don't think that
Speaker 4: there's like a perfect you know, no one has like
Speaker 4: come out blazing here, so which is frustrating.
Speaker 3: My daughter has a lot of.
Speaker 4: Things where she will be like this bothers me, you know,
Speaker 4: like if something isn't in place, sure, or this is
Speaker 4: so satisfying, sure, or like doesn't it kill you if?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, yes, I see all those things. Why
Speaker 4: is their laundry on the floor?
Speaker 3: Like why? Like where? What about your skincare? Like why
Speaker 3: is it on? Can you put it away? So it's
Speaker 3: like I again, I appreciate that about her.
Speaker 4: My son is he's not bothered by anything something, will
Speaker 4: wear the same three shirts for the rest of his
Speaker 4: life because he wears them. They're clean, shouldered, put back,
Speaker 4: So he just is things are less chaotic because he's
Speaker 4: just simple and Stella has to try everything on and
Speaker 4: then like leaves it everywhere. I think part of the
Speaker 4: issue is my kids have never had one million toys
Speaker 4: or one million things like that. I've always had a
Speaker 4: pretty pair down. But with clothing, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 4: They have to get dressed?
Speaker 2: God help God help us great. Exactly, I'd be in
Speaker 2: jail because I'd be broke.
Speaker 4: You would be living on the street, and your daughter
Speaker 4: would be the best stress in like head to Gucci.
Speaker 2: But I'd be broke on the street a one hundred percent, and.
Speaker 4: I'm about to be because Stella has now she's grown
Speaker 4: into like an actual taste for clothing, which is so sorry.
Speaker 3: Clothing is expensive.
Speaker 4: It's so frustrating, like we're target is a done day,
Speaker 4: Like that is not happening anymore. So, yes, things actually
Speaker 4: cost money and it's you know, very stressful.
Speaker 3: Thank god Sutton does the care like action. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: has to be, He'll stay money there.
Speaker 4: Stella was always she always cared about her outfit's the
Speaker 4: very first time Joanna came over with her kids, Marlowe,
Speaker 4: who you know has an older boy younger daughter, and
Speaker 4: so Marlowe came over like Frumpully Stumpkins. She was just
Speaker 4: like in like Miles clothed like I feel like she
Speaker 4: was like in, but she was dressed.
Speaker 1: Like me and like leggings and a sweat I was like,
Speaker 1: probably like a cute normal girl like like she was.
Speaker 2: She wasn't like wet.
Speaker 3: Pants right ware.
Speaker 4: She was the like sweatpants and tennis shoes and like
Speaker 4: whatever shirt and too like let's speak there, she was too.
Speaker 4: Stella took Marlowe by the hand led her into her closet,
Speaker 4: into her room. I was like to marlow yes, she
Speaker 4: was like, let me help you. And she put Marlowe
Speaker 4: in like a ball gown, of course, and Marlowe came
Speaker 4: out like Cinderella when she is around and sparkled.
Speaker 5: Marlow was a change first, and she was like, mom,
Speaker 5: like you what if you were holding out on that
Speaker 5: were the same dress, this old navy dress that I
Speaker 5: had to buy in every color until the size ran out.
Speaker 3: We bought it a year after year, six years in
Speaker 3: a row.
Speaker 4: She only wore the one dress because it was like
Speaker 4: basically the one that Sola showed her.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I do think ninety percent of who we are, if
Speaker 1: not more, is how we're born, right Because I was
Speaker 1: like Stella and most of my friends were like Marlowe,
Speaker 1: and by the way, still are, but they still enjoy
Speaker 1: getting dressed up. But they also, in their most happiest self,
Speaker 1: are like they still look great, they still look cute,
Speaker 1: but they're casual. And I think it really does. I
Speaker 1: think we look at our kids when they're born and go,
Speaker 1: who are you going to be? And I had so
Speaker 1: many wise people tell me like, they're this, They're what
Speaker 1: you're looking at. And when I think about it, my
Speaker 1: kids are like exactly as.
Speaker 2: They were born.
Speaker 1: Okay, so, Johanna, you grew up and you were neat
Speaker 1: freak and then became a slob and then became a
Speaker 1: neat freak.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I started off really really organized, and I always
Speaker 4: loved moving furniture around, like when my mom would come home.
Speaker 4: I hadn't like move beds myself. I was really into
Speaker 4: how things look. I also, you probably don't even know
Speaker 4: this one, so just stand back on this one. But
Speaker 4: I used to collect, like my grandmother would take me
Speaker 4: shopping in California. I grew up in North Carolina, and
Speaker 4: I remember coming to California every Christmas break and we
Speaker 4: would go shopping and we would go to like Benetton
Speaker 4: and Gap, like ben like all of those things. And
Speaker 4: I would collect the bags that the clothes would come in,
Speaker 4: and I would hang them on my walls, and so
Speaker 4: I would decorate all the walls with all the shopping bags.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this was like, by the way, by the way,
Speaker 1: you should do that again.
Speaker 3: Clea is a gas. I need to see I need
Speaker 3: to see what it looked like. It was fabulous. It
Speaker 3: was like an art and slat.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: It sounds very much like something at the met like
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm super into this right now.
Speaker 3: It was like pop art before I knew what that was.
Speaker 4: But anyway, I had this in me, so I was
Speaker 4: like very particular how things would go, and I would.
Speaker 3: Always try to rearrange furniture.
Speaker 4: And then I took a sharp left turn in high
Speaker 4: school and was a complete slob, cheerleading clothes broad in
Speaker 4: the back of my trunk of my car, like everything
Speaker 4: on the floor, absolute total disaster.
Speaker 3: College close to the ceiling, the biggest mess. And then
Speaker 3: I turned a quarter I guess, God.
Speaker 4: I don't even know when some time after college, and
Speaker 4: I was like, I need everything in back and order.
Speaker 3: I just can't live like this.
Speaker 4: And I just became obsessed, and especially after I had
Speaker 4: when I was pregnant and after I had Miles, my son,
Speaker 4: just perfecting every closet and every inch matters, and like
Speaker 4: how it makes me feel sane and calm and in
Speaker 4: control and all these things that I didn't have but
Speaker 4: you know, having a newborn or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've.
Speaker 3: Never looked back.
Speaker 2: It's almost like we do.
Speaker 1: The same thing, honestly, but in a different you know,
Speaker 1: a different angle, like a different facet of the industry, right,
Speaker 1: Like there are so many similarities, right, and so for
Speaker 1: me it's like that getting dressed thing. It's a little
Speaker 1: bit like so you guys, your peace of mind is
Speaker 1: like everything in.
Speaker 2: Order, right, And I definitely have a lot of that.
Speaker 1: I do have this part of me that if I
Speaker 1: have five events in a week, you cannot imagine what
Speaker 1: my bathroom and bathtub look like. There's like gowns and
Speaker 1: tool and jewel, like it's just everywhere.
Speaker 2: So a lot of it for.
Speaker 1: Me is like a time thing and like just being
Speaker 1: like you know, but I will say that like for me,
Speaker 1: even if it takes me five minutes to get ready
Speaker 1: or whatever, I can't really like function until I feel
Speaker 1: Like I was telling someone the other day, like I
Speaker 1: had COVID once I took me two and a half
Speaker 1: years to get I got it. They said, so what
Speaker 1: did you do like when you had COVID? Did you
Speaker 1: get dressed? And I was like, I was in different
Speaker 1: rotating black robes. My skin hurts so bad that like
Speaker 1: writing hurt, but I had a full cati lash and
Speaker 1: a liplod because I couldn't. It was like I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I just couldn't. I twirled my hair. Nobody was seeing
Speaker 1: me like I nobody. I lacked everyone out.
Speaker 4: Clayton, I always say this about organizing, and I have
Speaker 4: a feeling and this is sort of maybe how you feel.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can tell me if I'm wrong, but.
Speaker 4: When we're organizing, something just has to click into place,
Speaker 4: and once it's in the right spot, it's just like
Speaker 4: this is right. This is how the space has always
Speaker 4: been intended to be.
Speaker 3: It's true. And I don't know if.
Speaker 4: You're like that with I'm not like yes, flowers or
Speaker 4: out any thing. I know nothing about any of those,
Speaker 4: but I can imagine for you you that's how.
Speaker 1: It feels, especially when you're styling somebody else, because you
Speaker 1: look at it like the way you guys share a
Speaker 1: roam in a.
Speaker 3: Space and it like clicks clicks clicks, Yes.
Speaker 2: One hundred.
Speaker 3: But you know what, Rachel, I understand so much.
Speaker 4: I mean I laugh about the like the perfect wing
Speaker 4: on the eye just because I actually don't know how
Speaker 4: to do that.
Speaker 3: But I think about during chemo, where.
Speaker 4: Every single person in my life is like, oh, you
Speaker 4: have a pass like you're like live in your pajamas lifts,
Speaker 4: and I kept trying to explain, and then I stopped.
Speaker 3: Trying to explain that I was literally doing.
Speaker 4: It for myself, like putting on makeup, course, and I
Speaker 4: was already like, you're already it like when you have
Speaker 4: COVID or whatever, and I have COVID during Campcord, which.
Speaker 3: Is like, that's ruod.
Speaker 1: And I want to touch on that because we've talked
Speaker 1: about this, and I've mentioned it a few times in
Speaker 1: different things. You know, I come from the family of cancer,
Speaker 1: and I also have multiple friends that have gone through it,
Speaker 1: obviously you being one of them. Bravest warrior I ever knew.
Speaker 1: I will say that the hardest thing I have seen
Speaker 1: for women is not feeling like a woman and not
Speaker 1: looking like a woman and not and you do take
Speaker 1: everything off and we do get stripped down. It's that
Speaker 1: part of it that makes you feel a certain way.
Speaker 1: And I think to your point, it was truthfully in
Speaker 1: this podcast is not about me, so I don't want
Speaker 1: to turn it on me. But actually, when I quit
Speaker 1: styling right after nine to eleven, I quit styling because
Speaker 1: I felt like it was very superficial. And I said,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this anymore. It means nothing
Speaker 1: compared to like what these social workers, the doctors, the
Speaker 1: frontline workers and everything. And I was like quitting. And
Speaker 1: I turned down all these jobs for like three to
Speaker 1: six months. It's crazy. And my father tried to get
Speaker 1: me back in. And then there's this doctor friend of mine,
Speaker 1: she's actually a brain surgeon, and she was down at
Speaker 1: the hospitals, you know, during nine to eleven for that
Speaker 1: whole month's month, and she said, oh my god, tell
Speaker 1: me something about fashion, tell me something. And I said,
Speaker 1: I quit. And she said, what do you mean you quit?
Speaker 1: And I said, I quit. I don't want to do
Speaker 1: it anymore. It doesn't mean anything. It's stupid. I'm just
Speaker 1: like it's superficial. And she's like, you've lost your mind
Speaker 1: and I said no, really, like what you do matters,
Speaker 1: what I do doesn't. And she was like, Okay, sit down,
Speaker 1: and she literally sent me down and explained to me
Speaker 1: why it matters, and that how much like my book
Speaker 1: or the things that I do and the way that
Speaker 1: I helped women kind of want to get out of
Speaker 1: bed sometimes and do those things. And she talked me
Speaker 1: through this, and so it was at that point I
Speaker 1: shifted literally like the purpose of what I was doing
Speaker 1: and started to sort of try to go in all
Speaker 1: these different directions that were really focused on helping women
Speaker 1: live their best life, Oh, be their most confidence selves.
Speaker 4: That makes so much sense, And I think you inspire
Speaker 4: me one hundred percent. And then I'm like it almost
Speaker 4: makes me giggle because I'm like, who am I to
Speaker 4: be inspired by Rachel Zoe, Like, I'm not going to
Speaker 4: have a chance at that, you know, like Joanne and
Speaker 4: I like will leave every time and be like, there's
Speaker 4: no one more glamorous than Rachel in this world but you.
Speaker 3: But you're zero people.
Speaker 4: Maybe Molly too, Like I feel like you, guys both,
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 2: Do the sweats real cute.
Speaker 1: She can like do work out clothes all day and
Speaker 1: still be super cute. And you just wouldn't, Like you
Speaker 1: just wouldn't because you couldn't look cute.
Speaker 3: You know, you would look cute.
Speaker 4: But I genuinely like, I can literally see you in pajamas, Yes,
Speaker 4: I could see you.
Speaker 3: And it's not who you are, right, It's just not
Speaker 3: who you are.
Speaker 2: I feel like I ran out into the world naked.
Speaker 3: I think that's right. I think you rather be naked.
Speaker 3: I actually think you'd rather be naked than it's what
Speaker 3: I feel like. But it is true. You teach people
Speaker 3: and you inspire people to be there.
Speaker 4: I think most beautiful inner glamorous self, you know, like
Speaker 4: you don't necessarily need.
Speaker 3: It doesn't have everyone you wear, right, it doesn't.
Speaker 4: But I do feel that way about you, and it's
Speaker 4: so genuine and it's so wild because it's not just
Speaker 4: like your public persona, that is who you are as
Speaker 4: a person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I fully agree.
Speaker 2: Don't you got well, don't you own your own infanity?
Speaker 2: You guys? Don't you just say like, I am who
Speaker 2: I am?
Speaker 1: And it's like you get to an age and a
Speaker 1: point in your life where you just go, okay.
Speaker 3: Whenever I know it is I am, I am who
Speaker 3: I am. And it's easier to accept friends for who
Speaker 3: they are too.
Speaker 4: I mean, I honestly think that's what makes the friendship
Speaker 4: CLEI and I have so powerful. It's like we both
Speaker 4: know who the other person is so right, you meet
Speaker 4: them where they are, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: So you, guys, I have a question, so you obviously okay,
Speaker 1: So give me like the tune inte of how you
Speaker 1: came together, just for our listeners who don't know, because
Speaker 1: I think and then I want to talk about this afterwards.
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about the copycat effect. Yes, oh,
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about that because obviously, like
Speaker 1: we've all been through that, but I do want to
Speaker 1: talk about it because I'm seeing them coming in numbers
Speaker 1: and you're very sensitive to it. With you guys, I'm
Speaker 1: very like. So, so I want to talk about how
Speaker 1: you came together because it was very unlikely, it.
Speaker 3: Is very unlikely. I will give the very bird's eye
Speaker 3: view of it.
Speaker 4: So I moved to Nashville in twenty fifteen, so that'll
Speaker 4: it's coming up on eight years.
Speaker 3: Joanna moved a year and a half prior. And you
Speaker 3: move there?
Speaker 2: Why just randomly?
Speaker 4: Your husband, your husband's husband, both of us, both both
Speaker 4: of us, us, both of us moved from California to
Speaker 4: Nashville sight unseen.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: We literally I flew in.
Speaker 4: For thirty six hours to buy a house and then
Speaker 4: flew right back to LA like we had never stepped foot.
Speaker 3: You guys are here and I had never come here
Speaker 3: until I moved here. Say that I came here.
Speaker 4: Thing ever, Joanna and I both think it's insane that
Speaker 4: we said, yes, it is insane.
Speaker 2: But listen, people do it all day every day.
Speaker 3: But it was meant to be. You knows it was
Speaker 3: obviously meant to be.
Speaker 4: We always say that we moved for husband's jobs, and
Speaker 4: now everyone's staying for our jobs. So, but Joanna and
Speaker 4: I met through a mutual friend who basically put us
Speaker 4: in a blind friendship date together to go to lunch.
Speaker 4: Joanna was slightly reluctant to go to lunch with me
Speaker 4: because she did not want a business partner, and Leah
Speaker 4: kind of pitched it as, you guys both want to
Speaker 4: start an organizing company. We both told Leah this, which
Speaker 4: is so random, right, like who wants to start? Well,
Speaker 4: now everyone does, but who wants to start an organizing company?
Speaker 4: And so she was like, oh, I have these two
Speaker 4: friends who both want the same thing. Joanna was hesitant,
Speaker 4: but we sat down and we got up after four
Speaker 4: hours of lunch as business partners. And that very same
Speaker 4: day evening, actually we came up with our name, our logo,
Speaker 4: or we got our domain, our social handles.
Speaker 3: We started filling out paperwork. We we opened up bank
Speaker 3: accounts together. That week. It was crazy, no one's but
Speaker 3: it worked.
Speaker 2: And how many years is this now?
Speaker 3: It'll be eight years on all and a half.
Speaker 1: Yes, Chris, that's literally crazy, and it's crazy for so
Speaker 1: many reasons because look, you guys, girls are tough, right, Like,
Speaker 1: let's be real, girls are tough.
Speaker 2: We've all had tough girls. We've had amazing girls.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: But when I think about it, I think about you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, who would I be partners with? Honestly, I
Speaker 1: think probably Mary Elizabeth could be in my business partner
Speaker 1: right right, like right, the only person I might not
Speaker 1: want to like assassinate after first like week. The fact
Speaker 1: that you guys are still this inseparable because I see
Speaker 1: you actually like offline not working, and you guys are
Speaker 1: like an old married couple.
Speaker 2: Honestly, we really are.
Speaker 3: We literally are.
Speaker 4: Again, It's like it goes back to what we said
Speaker 4: with you you like, I think all three of us
Speaker 4: we don't really are public persona.
Speaker 3: And private Persona's actually the same thing. Yes, it's just
Speaker 3: the same thing.
Speaker 4: We just don't have the patience, I think, to be
Speaker 4: anyone else energy.
Speaker 3: We just are who we are, and Joanna.
Speaker 4: And I it is the craziest thing in my life
Speaker 4: that we are still just this same exact way.
Speaker 3: I don't remember if we told you or not.
Speaker 4: But the house that I'm building, Joanna's building a house
Speaker 4: around the corner for me. So we're actually everyone thinks
Speaker 4: we live together, but now we're basically it's the most
Speaker 4: It's the most clear and.
Speaker 3: Joanna thing we could do. We're building homes.
Speaker 4: Basically next to each other, which is psychotic, but like
Speaker 4: spend all her life together to it. I know, I
Speaker 4: just need, we just need to be together, like basically.
Speaker 1: That's literally the greatest and cutest thing ever. Do you
Speaker 1: have a question? Do you guys have sisters?
Speaker 3: I have Joanna does I don't you're.
Speaker 2: Super close with your sister or no?
Speaker 3: You know what she I am in the sense that
Speaker 3: she is the sweetest, the most You're very different, are
Speaker 3: nicer than me? Very different?
Speaker 2: Oh? Stop? What is nicer than you? Stop it now things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but by the way, she's I say that about
Speaker 1: my sister.
Speaker 2: My sister is like Candy.
Speaker 1: She's like candy sugar next to me, and everyone's like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, please, trust I look like an asshole.
Speaker 2: Next to her. Johanna's sisters very but I think that's also,
Speaker 2: but you don't clean.
Speaker 4: I don't have a sister, So I'd say Joanna saying yeah,
Speaker 4: because it's funny because I always say that we talk
Speaker 4: like sisters or siblings, and then some people will be like, oh,
Speaker 4: you must not have a sister because Johanna and I
Speaker 4: don't fight.
Speaker 3: We just we don't fight. People think we're fighting, but
Speaker 3: that's just the way you talk.
Speaker 1: But that's my point. But that so that is an
Speaker 1: actual sister thing. Like Jen Meyer and Sarah Foster.
Speaker 2: Are like that totally. They are like sisters.
Speaker 1: Because my sister is my safe person, right who I
Speaker 1: can like scream ahead off at her for like sixty
Speaker 1: seconds and like be like what are we eating? You know,
Speaker 1: and then like or sit in the sea room for
Speaker 1: two hours and not say a word and like no,
Speaker 1: I'm pissy about it, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it's like, so I do find you have that relationship
Speaker 1: like we do. Like you'll tell each other if you're
Speaker 1: what you're wearing is freaking hideous. Like I guess what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is there aren't walls between you, and I
Speaker 1: think that's the difference between a friend and a sister.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to protect what you're saying.
Speaker 1: You don't have to filter.
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 4: It is shocking to Joanna that, like when I was
Speaker 4: in treatment, specifically because you know me, I'm an energizer, bunny,
Speaker 4: I'm a.
Speaker 2: Big extra your a sane person.
Speaker 4: I love being around people. It like gives me energy,
Speaker 4: it gives me life. And when I was in treatment,
Speaker 4: I told Joanna there were a few times I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm really type, like I don't know if I can
Speaker 4: hang out with this person. Like I went for dinner
Speaker 4: and I got tired at first of all, Joanne is like, welcome,
Speaker 4: thank you, I'm tired.
Speaker 3: She was like this is great for me, But she
Speaker 3: also was so shocked.
Speaker 4: She's like, I can't how can you have a friend
Speaker 4: but depletes you, Like how can you have a relationship
Speaker 4: with someone where you can't just not speak? Like how
Speaker 4: Because with Joanna, she'll be like, I don't want to
Speaker 4: wear you out.
Speaker 3: Like when I was tired and I was like, you
Speaker 3: don't wear me out.
Speaker 4: I was like, you can sit there and I literally
Speaker 4: don't have to talk sure, And she so shook that,
Speaker 4: like anyone in my life isn't that, But it's true.
Speaker 4: It's like Joanna is a special person in my life.
Speaker 4: I think I also I think I have too many
Speaker 4: people in general, but because Joanna is like I only
Speaker 4: have three friends and I can do that with all
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 3: For me, I need to be around people that I
Speaker 3: tell Clea this is like the utmost compliment.
Speaker 4: But it's like you don't count. It's like you're sure
Speaker 4: I only wanted to be around people that don't count.
Speaker 4: But I can be that was the person myself. I
Speaker 4: can sit there quiet or not. We could talk, we
Speaker 4: can laugh or just ignore each other.
Speaker 2: So home at it.
Speaker 1: We have like the show, we have, the products, we
Speaker 1: have the like I wish there was six hundred of you,
Speaker 1: Like I wish one of you could just live in
Speaker 1: my guest.
Speaker 2: Room so I could live this organized life.
Speaker 1: It's funny because anytime I meet someone and they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we have this business where we like go
Speaker 1: into people's homes and we like go like the home
Speaker 1: out it and listen. There can't be one stylist or
Speaker 1: can't be one hit, Like there can't be one of anything, right,
Speaker 1: and there is the old thing that you know, my
Speaker 1: teamy stay will. Imitation is the best form of flattery.
Speaker 1: I'm like, why does that not help me? Here doesn't
Speaker 1: help me, It doesn't help right, So so I think
Speaker 1: I like to talk about this because in every journey
Speaker 1: to the top, there are challenges, right, and things that
Speaker 1: concern you when you go to sleep at night or
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning.
Speaker 2: You know, things that get under your skin.
Speaker 4: Well, I will say this, and Joanna might have a
Speaker 4: different answer, but I think that things used to get
Speaker 4: under our skin way more than it does now. I
Speaker 4: think that, and I think that's normal, right, Like you
Speaker 4: get to a point we had to center ourselves in saying, Okay,
Speaker 4: we have multiple books out, we have multiple seasons of
Speaker 4: a show, we have a very public Instagram count, we
Speaker 4: have launched a thousand ships, and we've.
Speaker 3: Given them the tool. We've given everyone the tools.
Speaker 4: We've given everyone what we do and the way we
Speaker 4: do it, so we can't really be upset the people
Speaker 4: have taken those tools and use them to create businesses.
Speaker 4: And truly, if you can inspire, you know, there's just
Speaker 4: what you I think also realize is that there's so
Speaker 4: much room for everyone in this world. It's just you know,
Speaker 4: if we can inspire, especially you know, female entrepreneurs, come
Speaker 4: out do an organizing business like fabulous.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of people come up to us
Speaker 3: and they say, like.
Speaker 2: I started doing this because of.
Speaker 4: You, And I actually think that when like I I
Speaker 4: think that's a huge compliment to me, is a huge compliment,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, wow, that's amazing, so proud of you.
Speaker 3: That's incredible. So I feel like all of that is
Speaker 3: really good. And I think everyone's different.
Speaker 4: When Joanna and I first started an organizing company, the Homeut,
Speaker 4: we looked at all the other professional organizers who were
Speaker 4: doing things very differently, and then we looked at, you know,
Speaker 4: someone like Marie Condo, who was also doing it very
Speaker 4: differently and.
Speaker 2: Who now apparently came out that she's a slub.
Speaker 3: I know, I was like Marie, like Marie, so but
Speaker 3: again I and I think that she's just going through
Speaker 3: a Joanna I think that I think she'll be back.
Speaker 3: I think she'll be back. That'll just totally right. I'm like,
Speaker 3: she'll be back.
Speaker 4: But I think that from our perspective, we were like, Okay,
Speaker 4: we sit here and we want to try and do
Speaker 4: something that is different, and that that is how we
Speaker 4: ended up with again, like no one was making cursive
Speaker 4: labels back then, like that was silly. Everyone was using
Speaker 4: the label maker or something practical.
Speaker 3: We were like, we want to just have a signature.
Speaker 4: We want to have a calling card that represents us.
Speaker 3: And again, that's totally fine. Right now.
Speaker 4: I can't say if I was starting an organizing business,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't look at the two of us and be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: let me find a partner that I really like.
Speaker 3: Let me like try and do something cool on Instagram.
Speaker 3: Let me you know, I get it. We created a
Speaker 3: we emulate what you see, you know.
Speaker 4: And then again, I think we've all been so lucky
Speaker 4: to be inspired by people to create, for us, to
Speaker 4: create something, a new version of it, and then to
Speaker 4: hopefully pass the torch on to the next generation that
Speaker 4: doesn't even joy or gold.
Speaker 3: Like we're forgetting up there about climbing and hills, you
Speaker 3: know what, climbing and I like climbing in tennis shoes
Speaker 3: seriously barely.
Speaker 1: Have I wait, what one of you barefoot at baby
Speaker 1: to baby at iguala.
Speaker 3: I feel like it would never be me.
Speaker 4: Oh, I must sneak my shoes off at one point
Speaker 4: because I've heard so much I'd rather be bleeding.
Speaker 1: I do want to understand a little bit about the
Speaker 1: go forward for home at It, So home at It
Speaker 1: is larger than life.
Speaker 2: I think everybody knows it.
Speaker 1: For me, the biggest challenge of trying to grow my
Speaker 1: styling business when I was styling full time was that
Speaker 1: they all wanted me to be there. You don't have
Speaker 1: this problem. You have incredible people that work with you.
Speaker 1: But like, my biggest challenge obviously was you know, kind
Speaker 1: of snakes in the grass that worked with me. So
Speaker 1: that's a very common thing with like hairstylists. I hear
Speaker 1: it from makeup artists, I hear it from law firms,
Speaker 1: I hear it from agents managers. So how have you
Speaker 1: guys been so blessed to have incredible people that can
Speaker 1: sort of execute on the home edit vision and dream.
Speaker 4: Initially, hiring was the scariest thing we could ever think,
Speaker 4: of course, and because number one, it's crazy to think
Speaker 4: about replicating your skills and yourself and your work ethic, like.
Speaker 3: You know how you work.
Speaker 4: So initially I would say we gored the biggest score
Speaker 4: of our life because we got Sumner and that she
Speaker 4: was our first employee, so she set the path of
Speaker 4: hiring other people. It never got easier to let that
Speaker 4: control go. But what we learned really quickly was number One,
Speaker 4: people are really talented and good at what they do,
Speaker 4: and we can teach them everything other than the passion.
Speaker 4: As long as someone kind of has that drive and
Speaker 4: that passion and that work ethic, we can teach them
Speaker 4: the organizing. So again, it's like figuring out the type
Speaker 4: of people you want to hire. And I won't say
Speaker 4: that every situation has worked out perfectly. And there are
Speaker 4: definitely people who used to work for us who now
Speaker 4: of organizing companies, just like there are people who work
Speaker 4: for you that ended up becoming stylists. And I think
Speaker 4: that in some ways it kind of is like launching
Speaker 4: other organizing companies in general, Like you just have to
Speaker 4: take a deep breath and steal yourself in your own
Speaker 4: confidence that you are really good at what you do
Speaker 4: and that everyone who works for you is really good
Speaker 4: at what they do, and you have to trust to
Speaker 4: a certain extent or like you'll never grows like we would.
Speaker 4: You would never grow if we didn't trust, sort of
Speaker 4: never grown, we could never be where we are to say,
Speaker 4: trust people. So Joanna, what I'm curious, what I'm sure
Speaker 4: you have other things to add to that.
Speaker 3: What is your take?
Speaker 4: No, I would agree completely. I think it was really
Speaker 4: hard in the beginning. I mean it's why I didn't
Speaker 4: want a business partner, you know. It was the same
Speaker 4: reason I'm like, why would I ever want someone to
Speaker 4: be in this world with me when I only can
Speaker 4: count on myself? And so but you know, then I
Speaker 4: sort of had the epiphany that it's like, wow, if
Speaker 4: you meet the right person, this needs one billion times
Speaker 4: better than what I could have ever dreamed of. Sure,
Speaker 4: And so to cleart point, hired Sumner, who was like,
Speaker 4: it was like birthing the first best child.
Speaker 2: You could ever dream up. So it's like so lucky.
Speaker 4: And so she sort of paved the way that like, yeah,
Speaker 4: other people can absolutely do this and do this well,
Speaker 4: and in order for us to continue to grow, we
Speaker 4: have to trust, yeah, And so like we were only
Speaker 4: going to.
Speaker 3: Get in our own way if we didn't do that.
Speaker 2: No, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing take away for that, I want
Speaker 1: to say to anyone like building a business of anything
Speaker 1: of this nature where you have to hire in order
Speaker 1: to grow, you have to It's never about how you leave.
Speaker 1: It's never about leaving it's about how you leave. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a thing. Like all of us want everyone to
Speaker 1: live their best life and be their most successful, amazing selves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's how you do it that matters.
Speaker 1: And that is really for me, the biggest lesson that
Speaker 1: I try to teach kind of twenty somethings now starting
Speaker 1: out in their lives is like, just be straight, Just
Speaker 1: be straight, be professional, be kind, and you will never
Speaker 1: trip over yourself.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: It's actually so true. It's so true.
Speaker 4: That's the thing is because we would never you would
Speaker 4: never want to stand in away from someone of personality, not.
Speaker 2: To expect people to work for you for the rest
Speaker 2: of their lives.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because you know, it's very for me to
Speaker 1: watch you guys grow to where you are now. I
Speaker 1: think I always am like and you have very big
Speaker 1: personal lives and very big family lives, and so I
Speaker 1: think it's important to do that. What's next for home
Speaker 1: at it? Are there obvious dreams ahead?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, we got acquired by Hello Sunshine, Reese Witherspoon's company
Speaker 4: in February, and Hello Sunshine is an unbelievable partner for us.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're allowing us to continue to grow the
Speaker 4: home edit in all the ways that, you know, amplify
Speaker 4: all the things that we were already doing with their support.
Speaker 3: It's a dream. It is a dream.
Speaker 4: And one of the dreams that we're going to be
Speaker 4: living out this year is a lot of stuff that
Speaker 4: we had.
Speaker 2: To shelve last year.
Speaker 4: I physically couldn't do it, but that meant we physically
Speaker 4: couldn't do it. So we're going to be just you know,
Speaker 4: coming up on this year, we're going to be on
Speaker 4: the road a lot.
Speaker 3: I can say that we have a few projects that
Speaker 3: are going to be become public projects.
Speaker 4: We have a lot of like media sings and when
Speaker 4: I say media, we have you know, our books, TV podcast,
Speaker 4: all of that. And we're really excited to be in
Speaker 4: person and live again, which we kind of haven't been
Speaker 4: since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're really excited that we get to do
Speaker 3: these things and be with people again.
Speaker 4: So I think that to me, and you know how
Speaker 4: I am, I love being with people, so to me
Speaker 4: that's like the most and I love being with Clea,
Speaker 4: so it all ries out.
Speaker 3: I'm just excited.
Speaker 4: Honestly, at this point, the thought of traveling for work
Speaker 4: nothing sounds better, right, nothing sounds better. But I was
Speaker 4: like recounting all of my favorite last moments of twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one.
Speaker 3: So this was in twenty two.
Speaker 4: But I was like thinking about all of like the
Speaker 4: last trips we went on, like we were in d
Speaker 4: C during the holidays, as like Joanna and I've had
Speaker 4: so many good trips.
Speaker 1: You guys are literally the cutest. It's so amazing that
Speaker 1: you built the home at it. I know you're like
Speaker 1: really big and fancy now, but I really need you
Speaker 1: to come live with me for a week so we
Speaker 1: all one hundred percent dying here.
Speaker 2: I'm dying.
Speaker 1: I can't find anything I don't know or anything is
Speaker 1: and I need rid of fifty percent of it. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll be there, Rachel. I know I just said that,
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to do that. I'm not going
Speaker 1: I know you're we already know.
Speaker 3: We didn't even listen to get rid of stuff, Like
Speaker 3: we already know that.
Speaker 4: You know. The crazy thing is we've organized of different homes,
Speaker 4: different closets.
Speaker 3: I feel like I know your inventory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so well good, so you can place it wherever
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 4: I really like I feel like I know it, Like
Speaker 4: I even know, like which things are priorities, which things
Speaker 4: we could have on higher shel I feel like I
Speaker 4: really know it you do, so we could probably yeah,
Speaker 4: you could probably do it quickly.
Speaker 1: But I really just want to say that I love
Speaker 1: everything you guys do. I'm so excited to see, like
Speaker 1: what I feel like you have like another thousand things
Speaker 1: that are about to happen, and I'm so excited. I
Speaker 1: think it's a really great career path for a lot
Speaker 1: of women that I hear from in person or my
Speaker 1: social media, Like, I think that's this sort of really
Speaker 1: big lesson that I think is really important to learn
Speaker 1: from you guys and what you do and live in
Speaker 1: the like cometit state of mind, you know, And I.
Speaker 4: Know, and I feel like Joanna and I could take
Speaker 4: a page out of your book and live in slightly
Speaker 4: more glamorous state.
Speaker 3: Of find but yeah, we live in me a dressed
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm like, you know what, Rachel like checks that, like,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I think of her glamorous.
Speaker 3: Okay, we don't. Joanna and I are never going to be.
Speaker 4: I'm just excited when I put jeans on, I barely
Speaker 4: see you in jeans, but.
Speaker 3: I'm like hire jeans.
Speaker 2: She does, I'll do a polish flair thinking.
Speaker 3: About you in sneakers and a boyfriend.
Speaker 2: It's like a disaster. Okay. I love you both so much.
Speaker 3: I love you, love you.
Speaker 1: These two are such a breath of fresh air. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're just two of the hardest, working, beyond hilarious women.
Speaker 1: Every time I talk to Clean and Joanna, I can't
Speaker 1: stop laughing because the way that they they really are
Speaker 1: like an old married couple that have been together for
Speaker 1: like seventy years. That's kind of like how their vibe is.
Speaker 1: And also they're so professional. If they work so hard,
Speaker 1: I think they are just such a good example of
Speaker 1: how to follow your dream and also inspire others and
Speaker 1: that positive, positive female energy and it's just so refreshing.
Speaker 2: And that was a fun one. I really love that.