Speaker 1: The water changes from a beautiful shade of teal to
Speaker 1: sapphire blue. When there's a storm, it looks almost black.
Speaker 1: It is a narrow strip of water, the space between
Speaker 1: two landmasks, a place with dolphins and sharks and early
Speaker 1: seven hundred species of marine life, more than any other
Speaker 1: place in the Atlantic Ocean. It's a life giving place,
Speaker 1: but it's also volatile, erratic taking life, and this stretch
Speaker 1: of sea has often been deadly for people trying to
Speaker 1: get from one side to the other. From Cuba, where
Speaker 1: I was born, to Florida, where much my family now leaves.
Speaker 1: The water in between these two places halts memories of
Speaker 1: countless storms. I'm going to tell you about one of
Speaker 1: these storms, a storm from twenty five years ago.
Speaker 2: That morning, the seas were really rough, eight to twelve
Speaker 2: foot swells, and the sky, i remember, was black to
Speaker 2: one side, and daylight was coming up, and there was
Speaker 2: like a rainbow out there.
Speaker 3: This is the natal about Rinple.
Speaker 1: He's been in Florida for years, a storm doesn't face him.
Speaker 1: So on Thanksgiving nineteen ninety nine, he went to his
Speaker 1: cousin Sam's house to go fishing.
Speaker 2: Only for him to tell me that we weren't going
Speaker 2: to go fishing because the Marine advisory was saying that
Speaker 2: it was too rough to be out on the ocean
Speaker 2: that day.
Speaker 1: But Donato and his cousin braave the aftermath of the
Speaker 1: storm anyways, and then they see something in the water,
Speaker 1: and we.
Speaker 2: Ran across an inner tube and that's where it began
Speaker 2: for me. We found a little boy floating about three
Speaker 2: miles off the coast of Fort Lauderdale.
Speaker 1: That little boy was five year old Alean Gonzalez. He
Speaker 1: had been floating in the ocean for at least a day,
Speaker 1: maybe two. The legend is that he was protected by
Speaker 1: dolphins in the dark, dangerous storm waters.
Speaker 2: It looked like a little angel.
Speaker 4: I mean, it looks so fresh.
Speaker 1: An angel of a boy saved by dolphins. What an image,
Speaker 1: what a story. Little did they not to know this
Speaker 1: strong storm in the ocean will actually bring more, more
Speaker 1: forceful storms, a political and legal storm.
Speaker 5: He was cut in the crossfire between two governments, and
Speaker 5: not just him, All Cubans are caught in that cross fire.
Speaker 3: The law is very clear.
Speaker 6: An abandoned child belongs with his father in particle prove.
Speaker 4: The equat.
Speaker 7: It was a very close pivotal controversial election year, and
Speaker 7: we all remember what happened, right George W. Bush defeated
Speaker 7: Al Gore and what state was the deciding state of Florida?
Speaker 3: A media storm.
Speaker 7: Tensions between the United States and Cuba get hotter every
Speaker 7: day six year old Cuban refugee Ilian Gonzales remains in
Speaker 7: this country.
Speaker 8: It was impossible to not be aware that something big
Speaker 8: was happening in association with Elian Gonzalez.
Speaker 2: In three minutes, six year old Ellly Young Gunzas, dressed
Speaker 2: in a T shirt, draped in fear.
Speaker 4: Was gone.
Speaker 9: It was before Lean and after Alian. It definitely marked
Speaker 9: a line in the story in the history of the
Speaker 9: Cuban exile in the United States, especially in Miami.
Speaker 3: And a storm within a family. I feel that he
Speaker 3: deserves to be here.
Speaker 7: That's what his mom wanted it.
Speaker 3: His mom is first to me.
Speaker 4: Family.
Speaker 10: We want him to be in a free country with
Speaker 10: his father, not alone. We want his father to be
Speaker 10: with him. Okay, we want his father to be with him,
Speaker 10: but free.
Speaker 6: As we all know, when Alan came and found himself
Speaker 6: lonely in this country, without no family, without his dad,
Speaker 6: I was there and so was my family supporting that
Speaker 6: why are we giving the opportunity at this point? So
Speaker 6: speak for him.
Speaker 1: All of these storms will tear a family apart, several
Speaker 1: entire communities. Some say the termine the fate of the
Speaker 1: two thousand US presidential election. And in the eye of
Speaker 1: these storms, this little boy, I'm pennilea miss and this
Speaker 1: is chess peace. The Elian Gonzalez Story. This is a
Speaker 1: production of Ututa Studios in partnership with Iheartsmichael Tura podcast Network.
Speaker 1: Before I tell you more about these storms from twenty
Speaker 1: five years ago, I want to introduce myself. I'm an
Speaker 1: investigated reporter who built my career in Mexico City. We
Speaker 1: put in on cartels and political corruption.
Speaker 11: Ses the Esta Pista and Grasnrado spegan Gala Manires.
Speaker 1: But now I want to tell you a story closer
Speaker 1: to home. One that I relate to was a Cuban
Speaker 1: as someone who, similar to Elian, was separated from my father.
Speaker 1: I was raised in Cuba, but lived most of my
Speaker 1: life in Mexico. A few years ago, I moved to
Speaker 1: New York. You can hear my accent. I haven't been
Speaker 1: here for long. I want to tell you a Lian's
Speaker 1: story in a New way. As someone who was raised
Speaker 1: in Cuba but whose family has been in Miami for decades,
Speaker 1: I have experienced both of the very divided sides that
Speaker 1: animated Alian's story, a story that has proven to be
Speaker 1: one of the most difficult of my career. As the
Speaker 1: sun rose on Fansgiving Day in nineteen ninety nine, Donato
Speaker 1: and his cousin Sam were fishing for Mahi mahi seaweed
Speaker 1: and the bree pepper dark ocean waters. They had fifties
Speaker 1: music playing on the radio.
Speaker 2: I remember the stinker round bump, bump, bump, bump, bump,
Speaker 2: tooty fruity.
Speaker 1: Sam told Donato the mahi mahi liked to hide in things.
Speaker 3: Donato was on the lookout.
Speaker 1: That's when something caught his eyes some twenty five yards away.
Speaker 2: I said, like over there by that inner tube, and
Speaker 2: my cousin said, because you had gone over the inner tube.
Speaker 1: And as they got closer, Donato told Sam, there's.
Speaker 2: A dead person on this inner tube because he goes, no, no,
Speaker 2: he goes, it's a sick joke that somebody would tie
Speaker 2: a doll to this inner tube.
Speaker 1: His cousin brought it off, thinking someone was messing with them,
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 2: I looked again, and I seen a hand move, and
Speaker 2: I told my cousin, You're not gonna believe this. I said, yes,
Speaker 2: that person I thought was dead must be alive because
Speaker 2: the hand moved. My cousin knew I wouldn't joke like
Speaker 2: that with him.
Speaker 4: He goes, hurry, Herry here.
Speaker 3: They put the boat in gear and raced to the
Speaker 3: inner tube.
Speaker 2: Before I can blink my eye, my cousin was in
Speaker 2: the water and he's screaming, it's a baby, it's a baby.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking myself, a baby.
Speaker 3: A frozen panic.
Speaker 1: The next thing he remembers is his cousin Sam pushing
Speaker 1: up this little body from the ocean.
Speaker 2: What he said was a baby became a little five.
Speaker 3: Year old boy, Elian Gonzalez.
Speaker 12: Elian Gonzalezalez.
Speaker 2: When I got him into my arms and I asked him,
Speaker 2: I said, oh, you okay, and he didn't answer me,
Speaker 2: and I said, pabo suspanol, and he said, see.
Speaker 1: They gave the little boy some orange juice and a sweatshirt.
Speaker 1: Donato saw he was scared.
Speaker 2: He made like a sour face, like he wanted to cry,
Speaker 2: but he never cried.
Speaker 1: Donato is a religious man and considers himself a missionary.
Speaker 3: He was overcome with emotion.
Speaker 2: I just looked up towards heaven. I didn't realize at
Speaker 2: that moment that this would become another mission for me.
Speaker 1: Eleian would become a mission for more than just Donato.
Speaker 1: Eleian would become a cast on both sides of the
Speaker 1: Florida Strates. When Donato and s rescued Alien from the boat,
Speaker 1: they called Sam's then wife, Nola, and she called nine
Speaker 1: one one. Soon the coast Guard was on its way.
Speaker 2: And the first thing I said to the coast Guard
Speaker 2: while we were on there, I said, is this boy
Speaker 2: going to be able to make it to land?
Speaker 1: The coast Guard took Elian to land. When they go
Speaker 1: to the coast, an ambulance and the media were waiting
Speaker 1: for Elian.
Speaker 3: See do you know this boy? Yeah, we found.
Speaker 7: You know, this beautiful little boy and his beautiful you know,
Speaker 7: big eyes and smooth, smooth skin and a big bright smile.
Speaker 7: It was like a miracle, right, a Thanksgiving miracle.
Speaker 1: That's policer prise winning Quean American historian Ada Fere. The
Speaker 1: fact that he was found on Thanksgiving is one of
Speaker 1: those details that make Elian's origin story in the US
Speaker 1: almost sacred. Over and over we spoke with people who
Speaker 1: tell us something like this, so.
Speaker 3: Most you know, like a biblical story. It was poetic ramifications.
Speaker 4: He represented something, he represented a miracle.
Speaker 3: And this became a symbol to them of the failure.
Speaker 8: Of the communist system and the hope of the capitalist system,
Speaker 8: the American system.
Speaker 13: Thanksgiving is an American holiday, but it is a holiday
Speaker 13: that people reflect.
Speaker 3: Eleon plays into that this is Cuban American.
Speaker 1: Former Congressman Jogarcia, we talked about the symbolism of Ileane
Speaker 1: arriving in the US on one of the holidays most
Speaker 1: meaningful to Cubans here.
Speaker 13: I don't know if you've ever had Cuban Thanksgiving, but
Speaker 13: it transmograification occurs.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 13: They take a dry piece of turkey meat and they
Speaker 13: make it taste like pork.
Speaker 1: And yes, I have had this turkey transmuted into pork
Speaker 1: many times. My family have lived in Miami for decades
Speaker 1: and I have celebrated many Thanksgivings there.
Speaker 13: Somehow, just like you know, a priest turns water into wine,
Speaker 13: Cubans take a turkey, which is inedible, they fill with
Speaker 13: pork and meat ground beef inside. Then they cover the
Speaker 13: turkey in bacon, and then they cook it with moho
Speaker 13: and what comes out is a pork. It may be
Speaker 13: a turkey, but it tastes like pork, right, and.
Speaker 3: It's delicious, And it's delicious.
Speaker 1: I could see the congressman getting emotional about Qan Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: and I get it. For Cubans in the US, this
Speaker 1: holiday holds a greater significance. It's a profound celebration for us,
Speaker 1: right with meaning, and.
Speaker 13: So many times when you are celebrating Thanksgiving, you are
Speaker 13: thinking of those that can.
Speaker 1: It's easy to get lost in the symbolism of Elian's rescue,
Speaker 1: the image of an angel faced voy surrounded by dolphins in.
Speaker 3: The dark seas, rescued.
Speaker 1: On Thanksgiving of all days. But behind these idealistic symbols
Speaker 1: there was a heroine journey. Cuban journalist Harold Calinas.
Speaker 5: I think it's easy to forget that these childhood events
Speaker 5: are a trauma for Alien, and people often talk to
Speaker 5: him in Cuba like this is just a political event,
Speaker 5: But for him, this is the death of his mother.
Speaker 1: Elean, like me, grew up in Cuba between the worst parents.
Speaker 1: His name is actually a combination of his parents' first
Speaker 1: names Elizabeth and Jamiel. It had been Elean's mother who
Speaker 1: decided to raise that narrow strip.
Speaker 3: Of see to get to it in States.
Speaker 1: On the Sunday before Thanksgiving of nineteen ninety nine, she
Speaker 1: took Elean, with her boyfriend, Rafa, and much of his
Speaker 1: family to flee Cuba on Afflotia across the Florida Straits
Speaker 1: to the United States. Elizabeth surely knew the risks. She
Speaker 1: had dressed Elian in old orange, a colored fisherman had
Speaker 1: told her would protect him against charts.
Speaker 7: They hit bad weather the boat had started taking on water.
Speaker 1: A giant wave flipped the boat over and left a
Speaker 1: group of fourteen with only two inner tubes. One of
Speaker 1: Raffa's brothers said he.
Speaker 2: Could see the shore, maybe we can swim there, but
Speaker 2: they were nowhere near the shore.
Speaker 1: That's again Donato the rescue. From the beginning of the episode,
Speaker 1: Alien's mother's boyfriend, Rafa, attempted to rescue his brother, who
Speaker 1: had tried to swim.
Speaker 3: To sure but nobody returned.
Speaker 1: When Rafa's mother realized her sons had drowned, she let
Speaker 1: go of her inner te Soon there were only four
Speaker 1: people left, Elian and his mother Elizabeth and a young
Speaker 1: couple Nevaldo Fernandez and Arian Orta. This couple was much
Speaker 1: less in the media spotlight than Allan, but they also survived. Later,
Speaker 1: Nvaldo would tell reporters Elizabeth's last words to.
Speaker 6: Him and would tell me, take care of you, take
Speaker 6: care of.
Speaker 12: The board, trying to make it to land of free make.
Speaker 2: Sure that the child touches land in the United States.
Speaker 1: That night on the ocean, the inner tubes somehow were separated.
Speaker 1: Years later, Eleann will say he was in and out
Speaker 1: of sleep on the inner tube and at some point
Speaker 1: he raised his head and he didn't see his mom
Speaker 1: and daldoes abamay she lost her life to save mine.
Speaker 1: Elizabeth drowned protecting Elian. Her body was never found, lost
Speaker 1: forever in this stretch of sea. The last thing Elian
Speaker 1: remembered was looking up and being alone in the middle
Speaker 1: of the sea. From there, Eleian traveled some thirty five
Speaker 1: miles north alone toward Donato, and his cousin found him
Speaker 1: that Thanksgiving Day. Elean later told journalist Diane Sawyer that
Speaker 1: he awoke at night on this journey alone in the
Speaker 1: sea and saw dolphins protecting him.
Speaker 3: Wept some time drawing some waves a dolphin.
Speaker 4: Himself in an inner tube me.
Speaker 3: He said, I was sinking.
Speaker 1: After the rescue, the cost guard took Elan, Donato and
Speaker 1: his cousin Sam to land and from there Elian was
Speaker 1: wrapped up in a thick blanket by medics, where news
Speaker 1: footage captured his dazed, scared look on his face.
Speaker 2: Where's he going out?
Speaker 1: As they loaded Alan on the stretcher into the ambulance,
Speaker 1: Sam and Donato both patted him with care on his head.
Speaker 1: They then follow Elian to the hospital.
Speaker 2: That's today that I met Lazaro's uncle Delphine, which was
Speaker 2: the great uncle, and Mary Lacy's.
Speaker 1: This is the Gonzales family of Miami. Elian's paternal great
Speaker 1: uncles Lasaro and the Finn, and his second cousin Mary Less.
Speaker 3: It's just a miracle.
Speaker 7: God wanted him here for freedom.
Speaker 3: Thanks here, and he's here.
Speaker 4: And he will get it.
Speaker 1: They knew Elian was coming because his father's family in
Speaker 1: Cuba had called a few days before. Once they realized
Speaker 1: Elean was taken by his mom, it would be the
Speaker 1: first collect call of many during this saga. Puamillel eventually
Speaker 1: sold his nineteen fifty six Nash ramble.
Speaker 3: To afford all these calls.
Speaker 1: The day after Thanksgiving, Elian was released from the hospital.
Speaker 1: The former Immigration and Naturalization Service or I ins placed
Speaker 1: Elian in temporary care with his relatives in Miami.
Speaker 4: Policies and protocols were executed, and at the time it
Speaker 4: required that he be placed into the care and custody
Speaker 4: of the closest and media r relatives, which he was.
Speaker 1: This is Jim Goldman, a former Ironist special agent who
Speaker 1: worked the case.
Speaker 4: And that's sort of when it all began.
Speaker 1: The storm in the ocean had subsided, but the tempest
Speaker 1: was just beginning. When Eleane was rescued at sea. I
Speaker 1: was a pre teen in Lawanna. I was born there
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty seven, just a few years before the
Speaker 1: fall of the Berlin Wall.
Speaker 4: The Iron curtain between East Germany and West Berlin has
Speaker 4: come tumbling down.
Speaker 1: East Germany and and that meant a lot of changes
Speaker 1: for my little island.
Speaker 9: The embargo is finally having the effect on cashrew that
Speaker 9: has been intended all along.
Speaker 13: It's time to tighten the screws, not loose on the screws.
Speaker 1: What I remember most was how poor the country was
Speaker 1: with the Soviet Union falling apart and the US embargo
Speaker 1: in place, cub Us foreign trade suffered drastically. We lived
Speaker 1: in a scarcity, with no public transportation, no access to gasoline,
Speaker 1: and almost no food. Havana was full of people biking everywhere,
Speaker 1: and to me, everyone looked tired and thin. We had
Speaker 1: four hours of electricity and then four hours without when
Speaker 1: the electricity came back guandol Via la Loose, I remember
Speaker 1: the collective celebration.
Speaker 3: Bin Nola lu Forola lous.
Speaker 1: I remember the happiness, the screens and everyone turning on
Speaker 1: their televisions to watch the Delenoela. I lived mostly with
Speaker 1: my mother stepfather brother ann Auela Delia, in an apartment
Speaker 1: in Lositios, a Barrio Ravo, a dangerous neighborhood, but I
Speaker 1: never felt unsafe. My mom was all about education and rules.
Speaker 1: She was loving and straight. Some of my biggest life
Speaker 1: lessons that I carry with me are from her. Every
Speaker 1: two weeks I would visit my dad, my step mom,
Speaker 1: and my little brother Juankey in the outstairs of Havana.
Speaker 1: My dad would buy some seven miles or take an
Speaker 1: old train to pick me up and drop me off
Speaker 1: at my dad's. I felt more free He lived in
Speaker 1: a tiny apartment inside a solar, the Cuban name for
Speaker 1: places with rooms around apatio, sometimes with restrooms the whole
Speaker 1: building shared.
Speaker 4: That's what he also Papa.
Speaker 1: This is my dad who always calls me money short
Speaker 1: for Mineka.
Speaker 3: Do you guys look alike.
Speaker 4: See me Money.
Speaker 1: We're super close and trust each other with anything.
Speaker 12: The time you need a secretis.
Speaker 1: A year before Elean was rescued. My father told me
Speaker 1: a secret one, but I couldn't tell a soul. My
Speaker 1: dad was a coach for Cuba's national diving team. In
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, he was headed to South Florida for
Speaker 1: an international diving competition.
Speaker 3: Before he left, he told me, he.
Speaker 1: Said, money in Noway Reserve. He wouldn't be coming back
Speaker 1: to Cuba, and I will be staying in Cuba.
Speaker 3: It was a dangerous secret.
Speaker 1: If I told my father could get in trouble with
Speaker 1: the government. He could be prevented from traveling or even
Speaker 1: go to jail. And it's something nearly three decades later
Speaker 1: that my dad and I have never really talked about
Speaker 1: until now, until I started digging into my memories of
Speaker 1: Cuba during my reporting for this podcast.
Speaker 12: Rago Avenia a Dando migaison.
Speaker 1: Leaving Cuba was something that had been weighing on him.
Speaker 1: He wanted to find a life with more food and
Speaker 1: more freedom.
Speaker 12: In Josavaka Dimpo and padan moment when he decided to leave,
Speaker 12: he had no idea when we will be able to
Speaker 12: see each other again. I go the ako to talk again.
Speaker 1: But my father wanted me to know the truth. So
Speaker 1: my father went to Florida and never came back. He
Speaker 1: found a job at a public pool, teaching kids how
Speaker 1: to swim. Most of them were second generation immigrants from
Speaker 1: Latin America. Recently I spoke with some of the swimmers
Speaker 1: he coaches.
Speaker 6: He was my coach, a father figure, a grandpa, someone
Speaker 6: you can ask advice for.
Speaker 3: His everything, He's my everything.
Speaker 1: It makes me emotional hearing his students calling him family.
Speaker 1: They got to be with my dad for so many years.
Speaker 3: Something that was taken from me.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety eight, when my dad didn't return to Cuba,
Speaker 1: he was marked as a traitor by the Cuban government
Speaker 1: and my family paid the consequences.
Speaker 12: Okay, can you parad kua no so in the sector
Speaker 12: Yoso jun trailer.
Speaker 1: We were forbidden from leaving Cuba or seeing my dad
Speaker 1: for at least three years. He lost all parents, our rights.
Speaker 12: Oh say you feel direction.
Speaker 4: And superdo.
Speaker 1: To be Cuban like Elyan and me means that governments
Speaker 1: and their policies dictate if you can grow up with
Speaker 1: your parents. More often than not, the policies separate us
Speaker 1: as short now eighty mile stretch of ocean apart.
Speaker 10: Taking our shoes off to get onto the sand in
Speaker 10: the hot no, I feel I'm burning. Oh Jesus, Oh
Speaker 10: I can't do it. Oh my Okay, we're putting our
Speaker 10: shoes back.
Speaker 1: While reputting in Florida producer Tashas and Dovala and I
Speaker 1: tried to take a peaceful break at the beach, but
Speaker 1: the sun is too hot even in May.
Speaker 11: So right now we're standing in a beautiful white sand
Speaker 11: beach and next to four dollars though, And we're just
Speaker 11: a few steps from the station of the US Coast
Speaker 11: Guard here in this place, and this is a station
Speaker 11: where Elean Gonzalez was taken after he was found three
Speaker 11: miles from here in the middle of the ocean.
Speaker 1: It's a bit disorienting because the trees and land here
Speaker 1: resemble the beaches.
Speaker 3: I remember as a kid in.
Speaker 11: Cuba, you can hear the airplanes from here because the
Speaker 11: airport it's so close. So it's this paradox of it
Speaker 11: could be so easy to get here, but it's so
Speaker 11: dangerous and so difficult.
Speaker 1: I look at the water today, is pristine, crystalline, calm.
Speaker 1: It makes me think of the beauty so many people
Speaker 1: describing Alian's rescue, the dolphins protecting this angelic boy on
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day. It's a poetic visual, but the Lian's story,
Speaker 1: just like the ocean, is darker than its glowing surface.
Speaker 1: We cannot know for certain that there were dolphins that
Speaker 1: protected a lan and maybe his face looked like an
Speaker 1: angel to his rescures, but really Eleian was terrified and
Speaker 1: to Miami Cubans, the fact that Elean was found on
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving was a sign of hope, of the possibility of freedom.
Speaker 1: But Thanksgiving meant nothing to Alian. That day was not
Speaker 1: a holiday for him. That was the day when he
Speaker 1: was alone at sea after losing his mother. So for
Speaker 1: this podcast, I'm not interested in the myth. I want
Speaker 1: the real story because underneath all the yeleg and lore,
Speaker 1: there is something messier.
Speaker 4: Every day things got worse and worse and worseh it
Speaker 4: got darker and deeper.
Speaker 3: What work comes to your mind when I say the
Speaker 3: word alien elia, convasive pain.
Speaker 7: No matter what the outcome would have been, it's just pain.
Speaker 9: Was a triumph, I guess for his father, but for
Speaker 9: hundreds of thousands of Cubans in Miami was a tragedy.
Speaker 4: I would have to say some misgivings. The word circus
Speaker 4: comes to mind.
Speaker 7: I think puppet, I think dictatorship. I think the need
Speaker 7: for truth to surface myth.
Speaker 1: It was hard to know what actually was true eventually
Speaker 1: in the end.
Speaker 8: And ely On he was kind of the passive voice
Speaker 8: in this. You know, nobody could ask him what it
Speaker 8: means to be free?
Speaker 1: And ngo and momentum contra momental my bad.
Speaker 3: This is Chess Piece, the real Elian Gonzalez story. Chess Piece.
Speaker 1: The Story is a production of Tudo Studios in partnership
Speaker 1: with Iheartsmichael Tura Podcast Network. This show is written and
Speaker 1: reported by me Pennileea Medz with Maria Garcia, Nicole Rodwell,
Speaker 1: and Tasha Sandoval. Our editor is Maria Garcia, Additional editing
Speaker 1: by Marlon Bishop. Our senior producer is Nicole Rodwell. Our
Speaker 1: associate producers are Tasha Sandovali and Elisabeth Loental Torres. Sound
Speaker 1: besigned by Jacob Rossatti and our intern is Evelyn Fajardo Alvarez.
Speaker 1: Our senior production manager is Jessica Elis, with production supports
Speaker 1: from Nancy Trujillo and Francis pun.
Speaker 3: Mixing by Stephanie.
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Speaker 1: Media Bautista, Scoring and musical creation by Jacob Rossati and
Speaker 1: Stephanie Lebo and credits music from Los Aceos Or. Executive
Speaker 1: producers are Marlon Bishop and my Ya Garcia. Legal review
Speaker 1: by Neil Rossini. This episode was recorded in part at
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