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Speaker 1: Season six, episode six. I am joined by myn Trevid
Speaker 1: Cruz Terras sued Suzanne French and you know or your
Speaker 1: love her. You judged her, Yeah, last week, you judged
Speaker 1: her last week when I got the king of the argument.
Speaker 3: They did. When I got on, I told Scott you won.
Speaker 3: They people have.
Speaker 1: Spoken, And I retorted, if I win, then then Amy wins.
Speaker 1: And it's all If Amy women's and I lose, then
Speaker 1: I win as well. And that's just how we're here.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: It was an iconic dragging, as the kids say that
Speaker 3: Emily dragged Shira and it was one of the best
Speaker 3: things ever.
Speaker 1: Loved every minute of it. But I also agree with
Speaker 1: you it could have been what what did you? What
Speaker 1: were your what's your commentary?
Speaker 3: Yeah, could have been what. The only way to say
Speaker 3: it is more a little more clever, a little more clever.
Speaker 3: So I also agreed with you that it was an
Speaker 3: iconic SmackDown. Yes, but she went a little low when
Speaker 3: she could have maybe right been more clever. I think
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 1: It was very satisfying. It was very sure sure anyway,
Speaker 1: So I think we're going to have to take a
Speaker 1: pause and synopsize, and we're always looking forward to those synopsisizations,
Speaker 1: which is now handled by our new number one getting
Speaker 1: all the votes on the All Star ballot, Rookie of
Speaker 1: the Year, Gold Gloves, Silver Slugger, Suzanne French. Take it away, Suzanne.
Speaker 4: Thank you for that amazing introduction. This is season six,
Speaker 4: episode six, Welcome to the Doll House. It aired October eighteenth,
Speaker 4: twenty five. When the town changes its road names back
Speaker 4: to their original eighteenth century monikers, the dragonfly in employees
Speaker 4: become upset by their streets disturbing designation. Logan buys Rory
Speaker 4: a very extravagant gift, while Lorelai keeps receiving mysterious packages.
Speaker 4: Richard presses Logan about his plans for him and Rory.
Speaker 1: All right, what do we think? What do we think
Speaker 1: of this? I liked that episode? Did you? Did you?
Speaker 1: He found it pleasantly paced, and.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't like a top favorite, but it was
Speaker 5: jocularity okay, And I.
Speaker 4: Enjoyed it too. It's always fun to you know. See,
Speaker 4: I always liked the town stuff, so it was good
Speaker 4: to have a town meeting and the.
Speaker 5: After last week's like the dinner at Suki's. I think
Speaker 5: we needed a good town yeah, town thing.
Speaker 4: I needed to like the dragons.
Speaker 3: I here's what I'll say. I've yet to dislike season six.
Speaker 3: I'm all good, Like I'm enjoying it, even when I
Speaker 3: watched it many other times. I never disliked season six,
Speaker 3: so I'm good. There's little flags, of course, and oh.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of flags.
Speaker 3: I giggled a lot. I had a lot of little
Speaker 3: sort of yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm sorry, guys not on board with this one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just went to me. I didn't recognize it. It
Speaker 1: didn't seem like Gilmore Girls to me. It didn't seem
Speaker 1: like the level of writing was there. I just thought
Speaker 1: it kind of really was directionless and it kind of
Speaker 1: floated from scene to scene. Nothing was really tying in
Speaker 1: for me. It wasn't terribly engaging. Yet here's the thing,
Speaker 1: I was still entertained. Yeah, yeah, yeah, even when it
Speaker 1: misses the mark, for me, I still watch it and
Speaker 1: enjoy it and get a good feeling about it. So
Speaker 1: there's a positive coming out of it for me. And yes,
Speaker 1: I got some chuckles here and there. I got a
Speaker 1: couple of big laughs, and that's I mean, the bar
Speaker 1: is so high that it's hard to you know. It's
Speaker 1: not like I want to lower my expectations, but maybe
Speaker 1: I should be a little more realistic and give these
Speaker 1: people a break because they're hitting that out of the
Speaker 1: park most of the time.
Speaker 3: When did this air again after that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: So this is kind of the build up to the
Speaker 3: big episodes of November. Yeah, it's like we find that happens,
Speaker 3: you know, and we.
Speaker 5: Just came off a pretty big episode.
Speaker 1: But it just it just it wasn't snappy and fast
Speaker 1: and funny because there wasn't, you know, Lorelei and wasn't
Speaker 1: really the central character of this, and the dialogue she
Speaker 1: had I thought was a bit shrill with with with
Speaker 1: the with the tailor. I thought the tailor stuff in
Speaker 1: the beginning, with renaming the streets, I thought that was great.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I agree with him. I think this
Speaker 1: is going to be funny. I thought that town meeting
Speaker 1: was funny. But then it just sort of devolved for
Speaker 1: me about when they got the bad name boiled.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was long. It was a little long.
Speaker 1: It was a little a little too drawn out for me,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't give you that I wasn't getting a
Speaker 1: lot of the jokes. There weren't joky jokes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit, it's like, okay, come on, come on,
Speaker 3: come on.
Speaker 4: I noticed that it was a different writer on this episode,
Speaker 4: Keith Eisner. So maybe because it wasn't like an Amy
Speaker 4: Dan thing, maybe that's why it felt a little different.
Speaker 4: But I also noticed it was directed by Jackson Douglas.
Speaker 3: Oh, oh that's cool. Also, if you like the bit
Speaker 3: every here's what I will say. Each bit went on
Speaker 3: a little too long, the street name bit a little
Speaker 3: too long Emily sending all the stuff over a little
Speaker 3: too long, right, Like the big urn was kind of
Speaker 3: for me, like it didn't work, you know, the one
Speaker 3: in the diner, right, But yeah, the Richard stuff was.
Speaker 3: I really liked that. But then also everything went on
Speaker 3: a little too long.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say it.
Speaker 1: Just it just wasn't just wasn't it was. I don't
Speaker 1: know it was. It was good, it was good, it
Speaker 1: was entertaining. I want to stay positive. I was entertained,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't thoroughly enthralled.
Speaker 3: Here's my takeaway. And I'm realizing this as we're talking
Speaker 3: and I'm kind of looking at my notes. When I
Speaker 3: watched it, I liked it. I was like, well, that
Speaker 3: was great. I'm not totally remembering it.
Speaker 5: I watched it just too Yeah, I actually watched it.
Speaker 5: I watched it over the weekend, and then I watched
Speaker 5: it again just to refresh my memory. And I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: I did watch that. I kind of forgot that I
Speaker 5: watched it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm having a little bit of a moment like.
Speaker 5: But like when you get those like key points like
Speaker 5: the streets and and you're like oh yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 5: it's it was just kind of like a filler. That's
Speaker 5: what it felt like.
Speaker 1: Because I got online and I looked up the prices
Speaker 1: of Burke and Bags going back to nineteen to present
Speaker 1: day while I was watching the episode, because I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like I was going to be missing too much,
Speaker 1: whether it was or that it was going to be
Speaker 1: too difficult to follow because it was a little slower
Speaker 1: paced and it wasn't as funny. So I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, I'll take a little little pause here
Speaker 1: and see what these Burken bags are.
Speaker 5: I was like, whoa, well now, and Amy, I feel like,
Speaker 5: correct me if I'm wrong. But now Burke and Bags,
Speaker 5: you can't even go buy one. You have to be
Speaker 5: on a wait list and.
Speaker 3: Then they have to be excited to buy it. Yes,
Speaker 3: to be invited to buy it. It's like crazy.
Speaker 5: In two thousand and five, it wasn't like that, right.
Speaker 3: I don't know, And they're really expensive. They might be
Speaker 3: twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: I am praying my wife doesn't listen to this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: do not, because I don't think I get her all
Speaker 1: the nice bags that's here. You know, I tell her
Speaker 1: she can get a bag for her birthday. You know,
Speaker 1: she's got the fancy bags, and uh.
Speaker 3: You don't need I don't think we need a Well,
Speaker 3: it's just I don't think.
Speaker 1: What it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say, it's not that cool, like people are
Speaker 3: come on, I do. I mean it was a whole
Speaker 3: Sex in the City episode too, but like I don't
Speaker 3: really love it.
Speaker 1: But you know, here's the thing. They're good investments.
Speaker 3: I guess they don't lose their value.
Speaker 1: You know. The fourth or fifth time she wanted a
Speaker 1: Chanel bag, I just rolled my mass because this much today,
Speaker 1: I said, oh okay, bye too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Chanel's are very expensed, right. I think it's not
Speaker 4: supposed to matter if you like it or not. It's
Speaker 4: just supposed to show off how much money you have.
Speaker 3: I actually sort of enjoyed that Emily Rory like, and
Speaker 3: then she tells Richard he bought her again, Like I
Speaker 3: kind of was into it. That storyline was kind of cool.
Speaker 3: And it also shows he's got a ton of money.
Speaker 5: Oh, I mean, like it's just here's like insane, insane
Speaker 5: amounts of money. I got the estimate price of what
Speaker 5: it would be in two thousand and five, like close,
Speaker 5: it would be about seven seven thousand dollars back.
Speaker 3: Right, seven thousand and How much is a two thousand
Speaker 3: and five Burke and worth now.
Speaker 1: Oh twenty? It depends on what it is, because there's
Speaker 1: some that are worth one hundred and three.
Speaker 5: It can go up to two hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah.
Speaker 5: But I don't know what I mean. I was looking
Speaker 5: at prices back then, so that was roughly what it
Speaker 5: would have been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Crazy, Yeah, oh yeah, you could get you can get
Speaker 3: some Oh my god, one's twenty four thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: On Susanna's gobsmacked. She can't even He's like burkeing back.
Speaker 3: How much is the class burkein somewhere between ten thousand
Speaker 3: a quarter million?
Speaker 1: Kidding me, wows, you'd rather just steal it do the time?
Speaker 1: At least you have it right, all.
Speaker 3: Right, So let's go through it. We start with the
Speaker 3: town meeting, and the standout for me at the town
Speaker 3: meeting was lorealized plaid jacket with the sequince on it.
Speaker 3: Like to her fashion. We even talked about fashion in
Speaker 3: like maybe a couple episodes. It's unbelievable, like her fashion
Speaker 3: is just awesome, and it's still awesome twenty years later.
Speaker 3: So anyway, did anybody not get that. It was a
Speaker 3: big bit when they came in and you know, they're
Speaker 3: doing the whole shtick about tourism revenues off. My favorite
Speaker 3: part was Gypsy being like that's Kirk.
Speaker 1: It's uh. It was nice. It was a nice scene
Speaker 1: because you knew that Taylor was doing his level best
Speaker 1: to manipulate that town, but he was doing it in
Speaker 1: a way that delighted and amazed. Right, It's like he
Speaker 1: went to all this effort. Those guys had to learn
Speaker 1: their lines, he had to write. You know, Taylor wrote
Speaker 1: the script for them. Both furst it and they came
Speaker 1: in and just kind of nailed it. So it's like
Speaker 1: they put some time into it. So I appreciated that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a nice shout out for Leeches and Wenches.
Speaker 1: And Mike Gandelfini playing opposite Kirk as a reinactor.
Speaker 3: I also noticed there's two very prominent background actors because
Speaker 3: on the like what I assume is sort of the
Speaker 3: town board, it's Miss Patty, it's Taylor, and then two
Speaker 3: others on stage. They really had those background actors really
Speaker 3: had to like look towns like okay, so then we
Speaker 3: go to the diner. Lane is not wearing her glasses,
Speaker 3: so I always kind of now am noticing when she hasn't.
Speaker 3: She hasn't and LRALI orders a bagel, But did she
Speaker 3: order the innerd scooped out? But then she wanted the scoops?
Speaker 5: Yeah it was.
Speaker 4: I don't was that a thing twenty years ago? I
Speaker 4: don't remember that being a thing.
Speaker 3: Thing, And now it's a thing now, is it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: People all scoop out the guts of the bagel because
Speaker 3: they want to lower their carbs. But I've never heard
Speaker 3: anyone ask.
Speaker 5: But I was gonna say not to eat it.
Speaker 3: It's so gross.
Speaker 4: I guess I'm out of touch because I just eat
Speaker 4: the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Maybe she maybe she uses that that stuff to go
Speaker 1: feed the birds or something.
Speaker 5: Oh, I just think it's a lorell I thing.
Speaker 1: It's like very bird food. Maybe she puts it in
Speaker 1: the ducks. Ducks, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: Would be good bagel head.
Speaker 4: Doesn't that like jam up there intestines or something?
Speaker 3: I don't know, Wait, is that true? What I thought?
Speaker 3: Always people fed ducks bread crumbs are kidding.
Speaker 4: Well, maybe crumbs, but not like bagel scoopings.
Speaker 1: Maybe she maybe she you know, she rubs him in
Speaker 1: between her hands and makes them crumbs.
Speaker 3: Bagel scoopings are kind of like crumbs. So what did
Speaker 3: we all think that Luke was kind of down for
Speaker 3: the street names. He's like, whatever, I'm good.
Speaker 1: Oh he was it, he liked it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's just being real nice
Speaker 3: and real zen.
Speaker 5: I also think it's just like light that he's not
Speaker 5: down to pick with Taylor. So he's like, oh, well,
Speaker 5: like everyone knows, he's.
Speaker 1: So triggered, he's got to try something. It was a
Speaker 1: good setup for him popping lighter, right, didn't I don't
Speaker 1: know that the pop was good enough. Right, that's a thing.
Speaker 1: You're going to set that up makes the pop really funny,
Speaker 1: and it.
Speaker 4: Was right right right?
Speaker 1: That's I didn't think the payoffs. It didn't didn't pay
Speaker 1: for playing right, It's.
Speaker 4: Like, right, I thought it was funny. In that scene
Speaker 4: that Laurel I didn't. She was like suspicious of Luke
Speaker 4: that and his Zen attitude because she didn't quite it
Speaker 4: just was kind of out of character for him, and
Speaker 4: she was calling that out like what if I you know,
Speaker 4: what if Taylor wants to paint your building pink? And
Speaker 4: what if this happens in photoshop a picture of you
Speaker 4: sitting on his lap with a baby rattle in.
Speaker 3: Your Like, yeah, it's a funny exchange.
Speaker 4: Trust him to be ze. It's a funny exchange that
Speaker 4: isn't memorable. Maybe that's my yeah problem with the episode.
Speaker 4: It was all now that you're reminding me, like, oh yeah, hahaha,
Speaker 4: that was cute, not memorable.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed when Suki and Michelle came into the diner.
Speaker 3: They looked so cute and professional and they're waiting for
Speaker 3: their street names, so that was sort of cute. And
Speaker 3: then there's sort of the gut punch of Laurel I
Speaker 3: seeing Rory in the paper. Yeah, so that was like, okay,
Speaker 3: there's sort of a button on this and something important,
Speaker 3: and I thought it was a cool Okay, I will
Speaker 3: say this was cool. They paint they the cameras on
Speaker 3: the paper and then we sort of pan up and
Speaker 3: Richard's reading the paper. Did you guys know that that
Speaker 3: was was clever? And yay Jackson Douglas because that was
Speaker 3: a cool. That was a good transition move.
Speaker 5: And they both were kind of, you know, thinking the
Speaker 5: same thing. Glaire kind of on the same page.
Speaker 3: Now they're not stoked. Yeah, and then we've got a
Speaker 3: whole grapefruit conversation that was again not memorable.
Speaker 4: What is with Emily not understanding fruit? Like we had
Speaker 4: that blueberry raspberry issue and a couple episodes ago, and
Speaker 4: now she's she thinks they's sugar, but she doesn't know
Speaker 4: like you can tell if there's sugar on the grapefruit.
Speaker 3: I don't know why she's here.
Speaker 1: But it did. It did provide the one few one
Speaker 1: one of the laughs, one of the few laughs in
Speaker 1: the whole thing, because when she went to answer the door,
Speaker 1: she said, oh, she's probably the maid's probably out back,
Speaker 1: you know, intending to her sugar cane field.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I've forgotten, isn't it. Isn't it Richard
Speaker 3: that recommended a grapefruit Yes, May many years ago.
Speaker 5: It was like season one or two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's excellently. It made me started eating grapefruit again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's good for you in the morning.
Speaker 1: Actually, it's really it's really good. It's good stuff, especially
Speaker 1: pink grapefruit. Love it, love it.
Speaker 3: And the flowers in the Gilmore House O Richard, and
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. The intercom bit is amusing. For me,
Speaker 3: like totally amusing when she's like signing off ten to
Speaker 3: four or like that was.
Speaker 5: Like they can't turn it down the volume guy.
Speaker 3: And then the mystery of where's Logan? Have you seen Logan?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And I thought that I thought Richard and Emily had
Speaker 3: some nice sort of back and forth in this episode.
Speaker 4: The whole Logan situation is clearly more important to Emily
Speaker 4: than it is to Richard. Yeah, about where is Logan?
Speaker 4: And he's like, I don't know, we just they have
Speaker 4: different hours. We just don't see. Yeah, Emily was very
Speaker 4: obsessed with it.
Speaker 3: Well, I think she's obsessed because she gave Shira the
Speaker 3: SmackDown and she wants to make sure there's no repercussions
Speaker 3: from that onto the kids, because she was very clear,
Speaker 3: you will not mess with these kids.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wonder if she told Richard that she said that
Speaker 4: to Shira.
Speaker 5: I don't think so, because also Richard went outside. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Richard went to go wait in the car after that,
Speaker 5: and then I don't think she I don't think I
Speaker 5: don't think Emily wants to admit that she sooped down
Speaker 5: to like that low level. Yeah, So I don't.
Speaker 3: Think to Richard, yeah, because Richard kept it classy. Eli
Speaker 3: wanted to sock Mitchem in the face, and he.
Speaker 5: Kept it about Rory, And even though Emily tried to
Speaker 5: do that, she also didn't by dissing Shira right right.
Speaker 3: And then we learned that Richard has seen Laura la
Speaker 3: eye and Emily is very like what what what? And
Speaker 3: I thought she made a good point, like you should
Speaker 3: have told me, Richard, Yeah, that was should have.
Speaker 4: That was the first thing I noticed was that like
Speaker 4: he didn't he I don't know if it like slipped
Speaker 4: his mind or was intentional, but he didn't tell Emily
Speaker 4: about the fire at the end, which you think, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just been conversation, you know that that would have
Speaker 4: come up at dinner or whatever. So I thought it
Speaker 4: was interesting he didn't tell her, right.
Speaker 3: Right, But he didn't tell her remember when they were
Speaker 3: doing Remember when Richard and Emily I'm sorry, when Richard
Speaker 3: and Laura were like on good terms and Emily, no,
Speaker 3: and he didn't always tell her every time he saw
Speaker 3: Laura Lai too. He doesn't want to, like he kind
Speaker 3: of keeps that from her, do you guys know what
Speaker 3: I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Like a horn's nest? He doesn't want the conversation. He
Speaker 1: doesn't want to question the interrogation.
Speaker 3: And that's right.
Speaker 1: It's just he was a guy doing his job, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what he that's his job. He went to visit,
Speaker 1: you know, nothing to discuss, right. I mean, he could
Speaker 1: have brought it up, but it's like, I don't think
Speaker 1: he wants the you know, the feedback, because he gets
Speaker 1: a face full of it from Emily every time he
Speaker 1: mentions laurelized names, so it's like he just wants piece
Speaker 1: and quiets so he can read.
Speaker 3: Literally like yeah. So then we get the street name
Speaker 3: of Sores and Boyles Alley, which was like.
Speaker 5: A little bit funny, yeah, usually funny.
Speaker 3: It wasn't hugely funny. I agree with Scott. It wasn't
Speaker 3: hugely funny.
Speaker 1: It's a one off joke on the floor that you
Speaker 1: like chuckle at. But they just kept hitting it and
Speaker 1: hitting it over the hitting you over the head.
Speaker 5: With it, and it just wasn't I will say I
Speaker 5: enjoyed it and it also it was something I actually
Speaker 5: remembered the second that I heard the street name part
Speaker 5: of the episode, I was like sars and boils, Like
Speaker 5: at the town meeting, I was like I remember this,
Speaker 5: like it stuck with me at least.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've done without that.
Speaker 4: To tell you the truth, I thought Suke's reaction was
Speaker 4: funny because she was so sensitive about it and how
Speaker 4: you know, the sal severity looks like yeah, and how's
Speaker 4: you know, how's she going to incorporate this into into
Speaker 4: her menu?
Speaker 3: I thought it was amusing and yet a little bit
Speaker 3: like did I need this.
Speaker 1: Little gross little gross? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I thought a little bit, but like, you know, so
Speaker 3: then we get the broken bag scene, which I actually enjoyed.
Speaker 3: We talked about that and I thought it was cute
Speaker 3: that she doesn't know kind of what it is and
Speaker 3: he's like, it's a thing. But he's very like. The
Speaker 3: thing that I like too is he isn't like this
Speaker 3: is the best bag ever, and I'm so awesome for
Speaker 3: buying it. It's ten thousand dollars, Like he's very chill, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're gonna like it. It's all good, Like he's cool.
Speaker 3: They're cool. She's sort of didn't know what it was,
Speaker 3: but great.
Speaker 5: She's like, can I put my and I like put
Speaker 5: my bag in the bad or like her bag in
Speaker 5: the bag.
Speaker 3: It was they're cute, like I don't really have a
Speaker 3: big anything.
Speaker 5: I think that's also why Logan likes her, Like any
Speaker 5: girl would be like dying over well, any girl like
Speaker 5: Yale would be dying over a broken bag. And she's like,
Speaker 5: oh that's cool, it's pretty right.
Speaker 3: She's just ready to take it to the gym.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I was kind of annoyed by that scene. They both
Speaker 4: sort of were annoying to me. She's like, it's so
Speaker 4: grown up, Like I just I could see that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know, she just bugged me.
Speaker 3: But that's fair. I think that's actually fair. Yeah I didn't, right,
Speaker 3: I didn't mind it. But again, it's kind of like.
Speaker 1: Well, I think people that don't like Rory and don't
Speaker 1: like the character are gonna really not like her in
Speaker 1: this because it's like, look at this disgusting display of wealth,
Speaker 1: and this money could have gone to help hungry people
Speaker 1: and people that really needed and they wouldn't be wrong,
Speaker 1: especially this day and age, because the temperature has changed
Speaker 1: a great deal since this episode was aired. So but.
Speaker 3: I think that makes sense. I think if you sort
Speaker 3: of know, I think you make a perfect point. Like
Speaker 3: I enjoy them, so I sort of saw it with
Speaker 3: cute eyes. I like them, but you're right if you
Speaker 3: you sort of didn't, it's just more.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So okay, then we go to the candy shop.
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought that the maturation of this relationship
Speaker 1: between these two is in a different stage now. So
Speaker 1: we had the beginning phase which was kind of titillating
Speaker 1: and interesting and I mean, if you were on board
Speaker 1: for it, but now it's kind of gotten hackneyed a
Speaker 1: little bit. And this is this episode especially, I didn't
Speaker 1: really recognize Logan. I don't know, And if he's playing confused,
Speaker 1: he's nailing it because I'm a little.
Speaker 3: It wasn't funny, he wasn't the typical, but.
Speaker 1: Why he's so irritated having to sit down?
Speaker 5: And I actually thought the same thing Scott. I was like,
Speaker 5: what's his deal? Where Like he just seems annoyed.
Speaker 1: He just he dismissed the dar women and he was
Speaker 1: rude to them because he was just had his ass
Speaker 1: chewed out by his father. And then he brings the
Speaker 1: same kind of energy into a Richard conversation. I'm sure
Speaker 1: Richard was interrogating him a little bit. Okay, but that's
Speaker 1: Richard and those guys are chummy and they have a
Speaker 1: good relise. So he was being annoyed and like, get
Speaker 1: me the heck out of here, and you know, it
Speaker 1: was it was like the surly teenager thing that it
Speaker 1: just doesn't really fit him.
Speaker 5: You know, I noticed the same thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I you see what you're saying.
Speaker 3: It didn't.
Speaker 1: It's just like, Okay, he's just asking questions and he's
Speaker 1: digging for information about Rory. And that's just what I.
Speaker 3: Think because Logan thought he was talking about them and
Speaker 3: like are they getting married? So I think he maybe
Speaker 3: was trying to be polite but was a little bit
Speaker 3: like we'll go.
Speaker 5: But it was even before that. It was when Richard
Speaker 5: first was like can I talk like It was from
Speaker 5: the very beginning he just seemed annoyed, and I was thinking, like,
Speaker 5: Wogan's used of these like parties and acts putting a
Speaker 5: face on, so why not just put a face on
Speaker 5: for your friends.
Speaker 1: Right, He's got good manner. No, he didn't.
Speaker 3: A little he kind of faked it. It was just
Speaker 3: kind of obviously faking it instead of being kind of
Speaker 3: stoked to talk to Richard, which he normally is at
Speaker 3: some of the parties. He's been like you were right.
Speaker 3: I think you said chummy Scott.
Speaker 1: I think that was yeah, you know, he's he just
Speaker 1: wants to get out of there and rolls his eyes
Speaker 1: and avoids some and it's I don't know, it just
Speaker 1: it didn't play for me, didn't for the character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I thought Logan would have been more.
Speaker 3: He's a fun, sarcastic guy, and he wasn't really doing that, right.
Speaker 1: He's he's very diplomatic, he's very witty. Where was that guy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: even when he's being annoyed, he's diplomatic and he's witty
Speaker 1: and he's fun. And then all of a sudden they
Speaker 1: sort of like there's this sort of naked contempt for
Speaker 1: Richard and it's just mean entertainment. Where's the entertainment value
Speaker 1: of that? It's like, somebody, please entertain me with these.
Speaker 3: Yah, throw anyone under the bus. But like, maybe the
Speaker 3: writing in this episode is just not quite of the level.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And Richard and Emily, the whole reason that they
Speaker 4: were talking to Logan is because they have no idea
Speaker 4: what's happening in Rory's life, and they're trying to get
Speaker 4: information out of him. And I thought that was a
Speaker 4: little odd too, because really we know, we already know
Speaker 4: that her life is community service and d R So
Speaker 4: why were mysied?
Speaker 1: Why were they so they know exactly what she's doing.
Speaker 5: They're working on this event.
Speaker 3: That is the thing that I was thinking too. I
Speaker 3: was like, what what is the mystery here? And like
Speaker 3: I get I get it, because what Richard wants to
Speaker 3: know is is she planning to go back to school?
Speaker 3: What is her big plan? But yet you're so right,
Speaker 3: they know everything she's doing every minute of the day,
Speaker 3: and like it's no mystery what she's doing in there
Speaker 3: in the poolhouse, like reading.
Speaker 1: She put on a dar event became you know, the
Speaker 1: socialite of all socialites. She's in the newspaper with a photo. Okay,
Speaker 1: they should be selling this and planning for the next
Speaker 1: big event or the offers come flying in from all
Speaker 1: different kinds of organizations in and around Hartford, like we
Speaker 1: just saw this in the paper. We'd love Rory to
Speaker 1: head the be the chair of this event. And so
Speaker 1: I mean, where is this going and where they took
Speaker 1: it was a little confusing.
Speaker 5: I think exactly what guys, like, she's in the newspaper,
Speaker 5: this hat to have happened, like the event was probably
Speaker 5: like what two three days ago, like probably just taking
Speaker 5: her Yes, she's probably just taking like one day right
Speaker 5: to be in the poolhouse after she organized.
Speaker 4: That's why she was sleeping in that morning because it
Speaker 4: was like the morning out.
Speaker 3: Day after it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got all the work she put in, she probably
Speaker 1: lost a lot of sleep. She's exhausted. Let the girl
Speaker 1: sleep past eight thirty jesus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was sort of like.
Speaker 1: Nonsense, maybe a missed opportunity to really pile on on
Speaker 1: the storyline with the you know, now you know, the
Speaker 1: American Cancer Society wants you to throw a fun because
Speaker 1: they're so impressed with the recoverage that you got the
Speaker 1: pr you know, I mean, she became a superstar in
Speaker 1: that area, in that field, and that's one of the
Speaker 1: most important skills a person can have, is be a
Speaker 1: great host for a fundraising event or any kind of
Speaker 1: an event. I mean, that's a real skill, right. There's
Speaker 1: not a lot of people that are great at that.
Speaker 1: A lot of people try. But you know, she's separating
Speaker 1: herself from the pack.
Speaker 4: And you know, but I do also see the point
Speaker 4: out that we've had this whole discussion. I do see
Speaker 4: the point that Richard is trying to figure out is
Speaker 4: this really what Rory is meant to be doing, because
Speaker 4: one thing at the end of the last episode that
Speaker 4: the episode ended with him with that thoughtful look on
Speaker 4: his face as he's watching Rory on the stage at
Speaker 4: the DAR event, and I think that he's thinking, you know,
Speaker 4: this isn't enough for her, and so like he is
Speaker 4: starting to think about, you know, maybe we need to
Speaker 4: do something different to get her back to Yale.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3: So two things. One is we go to the candy
Speaker 3: shop ice cream Shoppy as I like to call it.
Speaker 3: What's the real name of it? Why is it? Out
Speaker 3: of my head?
Speaker 4: I think that's it. I think it's Taylor Shoppy.
Speaker 3: No, I think it's an ice cream shoppy. So the
Speaker 3: candy looked amazing, the visuals were great, the candy looked amazing.
Speaker 3: And this is where Lore lies talking to Taylor about
Speaker 3: the street name. And again what happened to me here
Speaker 3: is I sort of was like, Taylor's still talking, but
Speaker 3: I'm not hearing anything that's happening, and the box was
Speaker 3: coming in. But the thing I wanted to flag is
Speaker 3: I noticed and I want you guys to be the judge.
Speaker 3: A flub, A full flub?
Speaker 5: What was it?
Speaker 3: Hannah? Is there any way we can pull up seventeen
Speaker 3: minutes and thirty five seconds in the episode, But I
Speaker 3: want you guys to listen. I'm not even going to
Speaker 3: tell you what happens.
Speaker 4: How did I miss?
Speaker 3: And I want to see if you hear it? And
Speaker 3: part of what I slightly overcharge them for is the ambiance?
Speaker 2: Is there a point here?
Speaker 3: The point is that I don't want to have to
Speaker 3: go around advertising. Come to Historic Stars Hollow. It's not
Speaker 3: as gross as it sounds. I must say. I'm surprised,
Speaker 3: Negativity is florid one more time? Give it one more time.
Speaker 4: I didn't hear it.
Speaker 1: Historic Stars Hollow.
Speaker 3: Maylub and part of what I slightly overcharged them for
Speaker 3: is the ambiance.
Speaker 2: Is there a point here?
Speaker 3: The point is that I don't want to have to
Speaker 3: go around advertising. Come to Historic Stars Hollow. It's not
Speaker 3: as gross as it sounds. I must say, surprised, Negative,
Speaker 3: You're right, there isn't.
Speaker 5: A blow like Historic Stars Hollow.
Speaker 1: What did you think the flub was?
Speaker 3: Stork Stars Hollow?
Speaker 1: Oh? Historic?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Historic?
Speaker 3: Listen to it?
Speaker 1: If I can't get that four minutes.
Speaker 4: I'm like, how could there be a flub?
Speaker 3: But I missed it. I was like, I listened to
Speaker 3: it four times because I thought she said I don't
Speaker 3: want them to come to Stork Stars Hollow, because I
Speaker 3: thought she loves stars, And I was like, why did
Speaker 3: I leave that in historic? So let's move I was
Speaker 3: so excited to share that, and.
Speaker 1: Again, I know, I know, listen, it was we appreciate
Speaker 1: the different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's move on. So then I get kind of
Speaker 3: confused here, like I don't really know what happens here.
Speaker 3: And then suddenly there's a bird cage in a box,
Speaker 3: and then there's Logan and Rory and there's so many
Speaker 3: compliments she's getting on the bag and then this is
Speaker 3: where that moment happens where Richard grabs Logan, and it
Speaker 3: was like, okay, so I don't know. Moving to Peru,
Speaker 3: like the whole it was like, okay, it.
Speaker 1: Was okay, Yeah, I mean we talked about this scene
Speaker 1: awkward and kind of strange and didn't really track for
Speaker 1: log Yeah's bangs look good, though, I you know what
Speaker 1: I think he I think he's trying to play his
Speaker 1: dad wants him to go to a three day conference
Speaker 1: somewhere and watch all these editors suck up to his
Speaker 1: dad and it's not something he wants to do, but
Speaker 1: he's got to do it, and his dad's really really
Speaker 1: depending on him to do it. So I just think
Speaker 1: he's just you know, that's that's what it is. He's
Speaker 1: just down in the dumps. And yeah, poor little rich
Speaker 1: boy doesn't get to do what he wants to do.
Speaker 1: It could be used that time to steal more lot
Speaker 1: yachts and get drunk.
Speaker 5: The one though, when Emily talks about the bag.
Speaker 3: Was Rory, I don't think we're quite there yet.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're there yet.
Speaker 3: I think first we go back to the inn and
Speaker 3: we have Kirk and Laureli talking about the street names,
Speaker 3: you know, Constabulary Road, Trusty Bold see this was that
Speaker 3: was a little bit made me laugh, Trusty Bulge and
Speaker 3: to Googonga bonga, blah blah.
Speaker 1: The only the only thing that made me laugh about
Speaker 1: that scene was when Kirk said have a seat. He
Speaker 1: took charge of the meeting. I thought, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be good. Hello, Laurel.
Speaker 5: I I never get tired of the bit of just
Speaker 5: all of Kirk's jobs, like it'll never get old for me.
Speaker 1: I agree, Well, he takes such a command of them,
Speaker 1: you know, it's fun to watch.
Speaker 5: I have a seat.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he owns them.
Speaker 4: Yeah. He doesn't do anything halfway.
Speaker 1: No, he doesn't shy away from it. The guy commits right. Wonderful.
Speaker 3: So then we go to the poolhouse with Edgar the
Speaker 3: intercom guy, which I guess it was sort of sticky again,
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, there's plenty of people that.
Speaker 1: Here, we've seen this a million times before.
Speaker 3: We had the nice exchange there about the burken bag,
Speaker 3: and then I.
Speaker 1: Don't hear when they don't want to hear from Edgar
Speaker 1: and know, did he collapse and have a heart attack?
Speaker 1: And then she's it's like, how many times have we
Speaker 1: seen that?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 1: It was hackneyed I think they call it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I liked the exchange which I said
Speaker 3: between Emily and Rory about the burken bag and Emily
Speaker 3: clearing up the confusion, and I thought, okay, good Rory
Speaker 3: saying to Emily, hey, grandpa, you know was asking Logan's
Speaker 3: intentions about us getting married. Like it was fine because
Speaker 3: it made it not a Three's Company episode like the
Speaker 3: one I didn't you know, misunderstanding. So that was good.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was fine. Their exchange was fine.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you does, you know what some
Speaker 1: of these scenes did kind of come off like a
Speaker 1: bad sitcom, right, yeah, a little company. It's just sort
Speaker 1: of yeah, there was something really off about this some
Speaker 1: of the scenes. Some of the scenes.
Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting that Rory went to Emily
Speaker 4: and asked Emily to talk to Richard instead of Rory
Speaker 4: just going to Richard totally. What was you know, there
Speaker 4: was this conversation and Logan was freaked out, like, what
Speaker 4: did you guys talk about that?
Speaker 5: She's totally She's more comfortable with Richard, not Emily. So
Speaker 5: it felt off, yeah, and it.
Speaker 3: Was to me.
Speaker 4: It kind of echoed a couple episodes ago when they
Speaker 4: told when Richard and Emily told Laurelai that Rory was
Speaker 4: going to be staying with them. Rory wasn't even in
Speaker 4: the room when they had that conversation, and she was
Speaker 4: out in the poolhouse, And that always bothered me because
Speaker 4: Rory's the one that's making this decision. She should be
Speaker 4: there telling Laurrela she wants to be a grown up.
Speaker 4: She should tell Lourla herself.
Speaker 3: But I totally agree with that. So then when.
Speaker 4: This other thing happened where she's going to Emily to
Speaker 4: talk to Richard, it's like you can see how she
Speaker 4: tries to avoid confrontation because she doesn't like she wants
Speaker 4: other people to do her dirty work for her, which
Speaker 4: is how it came across to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Rory is sort of not rory.
Speaker 4: Ish wrapped around her little finger. She could say anything
Speaker 4: to him. She didn't need to go through why not.
Speaker 3: And also it's very stereotypical, oh the grandpa asking the intentions.
Speaker 3: It's like she could have said to Richard, hey, I've
Speaker 3: got big dreams, I'm not going to marry this guy.
Speaker 3: But the problem is all her big dreams that she
Speaker 3: would have said just a few mere months ago are
Speaker 3: like kind of in the toilet right now, and she
Speaker 3: is slipped into this sort of dar wifey role. I
Speaker 3: don't know, it's like the old Rory would have been like,
Speaker 3: I'm not marrying him, I'm going to be Christiano Mompour.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all kind of like, I mean, she's in
Speaker 4: an interesting place right because she just had this resounding
Speaker 4: success with this Daar event. But then she's also saying,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't want to get married young, like
Speaker 4: she's also kind of pushing that away at the same time,
Speaker 4: so she's sort of you can see she's sort of
Speaker 4: still conflicted between the two worlds.
Speaker 3: And so is Richard. He you know, people kind of
Speaker 3: called out that we I thought we did talk about this,
Speaker 3: but in the last episode Richard's face at the end,
Speaker 3: and that's where this is all coming from, because Richard
Speaker 3: is sort of like, this isn't good and I.
Speaker 1: Need to talk. Do you know what I'm expecting at
Speaker 1: this point? You know, if Richard's supposed to be this,
Speaker 1: you know, this educated man, right, wouldn't you think that
Speaker 1: he would? And maybe this is coming in seven or
Speaker 1: eight or nine, but you know, there's got to be
Speaker 1: a time where, which would be completely in character, where
Speaker 1: Richard sits Rory down and tells her a couple of
Speaker 1: stories about people that get knocked off the horse and
Speaker 1: got back on again. I mean, these wonderful historic stories
Speaker 1: or things that he's read and favorite books and remember
Speaker 1: remember this, you know, did you read this? And gives
Speaker 1: her a book and there's a story in there about
Speaker 1: a girl that got knocked off the horse. Blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. It's it's like they're dragging this out
Speaker 1: too long almost, you know what I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 1: and now it's time for Richard to step in and
Speaker 1: be a real grandfather and be a really positive influencing
Speaker 1: and get her butt back to Yale. Right. How hard
Speaker 1: is that? I mean, it's if anybody can do it,
Speaker 1: it's Richard. He's got all this experience. He's got, you know,
Speaker 1: an extensive library there. He must have read a story about,
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen people that got knocked off the horse
Speaker 1: and get you know, the greatest in the world made
Speaker 1: by people who got knocked off the horse.
Speaker 5: He's a salesman.
Speaker 3: It's like one of the best salesmen ever.
Speaker 1: What are we doing around? Give me a break? Get there?
Speaker 3: So two questions. The pool. I need to talk about
Speaker 3: the pool for a second. Is that the pool cover?
Speaker 3: I'm seeing the same thing? That's the water well.
Speaker 5: I was thinking it was the pool cover because it's
Speaker 5: fall so everyone's back in school, so it's probably the
Speaker 5: pool cover. But I don't I mean, I don've never
Speaker 5: been on the East Coast. I never grew up on
Speaker 5: the East coast, But like, is that pool cover going
Speaker 5: to do enough in the cold weather?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Probably, but just please tell me. I'm not to believe
Speaker 3: that's the water.
Speaker 5: No, I think it was the pool cover.
Speaker 4: I think it was the cover because it wasn't moving,
Speaker 4: like you didn't see the surface of the water moving.
Speaker 5: And there were leaves. Whoever said there were leaves?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's been something that's kind of chapping my
Speaker 3: high a little bit? Is that a fake pool? Scott?
Speaker 3: Do you remember the pool?
Speaker 1: Do? I don't remember the pool.
Speaker 3: Because you don't really ever have scenes there. I think
Speaker 3: you've gone to their house a couple times.
Speaker 1: But I never saw the pool. Yeah. I mean I've
Speaker 1: been in the dinner scenes. I've been in the at
Speaker 1: the table. Yeah, I've been in that house plenty of times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't remember any.
Speaker 3: Pool has some flags on because.
Speaker 1: The pool house is a different location or the Yeah,
Speaker 1: the poolhouse is a different location, right, right. They didn't
Speaker 1: really have it up, they just sort of for this season. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So we then go to the diner and now there's
Speaker 3: the giant urn. There's a giant urn in my diner.
Speaker 3: And the bit that I thought was funny actually was
Speaker 3: like Luke says, call her and she's like, I'm not surrendering,
Speaker 3: and that was sort of an exchange that I'm like,
Speaker 3: I get it. They're playing a game of chicken here,
Speaker 3: and okay, anyone.
Speaker 5: I didn't really care for the scene.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seemed weird that she had so many things
Speaker 4: delivered to the house and the inn, and but then
Speaker 4: this one thing went yeah, I don't know, it didn't
Speaker 4: That scene didn't really do anything for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, other than when she's like, ah, she's not
Speaker 3: gonna smoke me out of my fox, so you know
Speaker 3: all that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the whole point was they needed a
Speaker 4: way to trigger that conversation between Luke and Larelai about
Speaker 4: about the packages.
Speaker 3: So then we go to the scene with Richard and Emily, which, okay,
Speaker 3: they're in the poolhouse, they're sneaking around, they're snooping around.
Speaker 3: It was an amusing scene or a scott'says, very entertaining,
Speaker 3: but also like, oh my god when she says I
Speaker 3: used to do this all the time with Lorali and
Speaker 3: it's like, oh god, and the drawer full of titsy, titsy,
Speaker 3: the drawer full of TUTSI rolls and then Richard saying, well,
Speaker 3: you should have looked under the TUTSI rolls, and then
Speaker 3: she's all, Oh, that's gonna bother me. That made me
Speaker 3: laugh out loud. So what do y'all think of that?
Speaker 4: It was her idea to go snoop around the pool house,
Speaker 4: but then she yells at Richard for not knowing what
Speaker 4: they're looking for.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so, Scott, we want to know your thoughts on
Speaker 3: the scene where Richard and Emily are snooping around the house.
Speaker 3: The pool house.
Speaker 1: The most absurd scene I think I've ever seen in
Speaker 1: the entire six seasons, I've never seen anything so absurd.
Speaker 1: That's when I just sort of walked out of the room.
Speaker 1: It just very very much out of character for them,
Speaker 1: and a real invasion of privacy. I don't like seeing
Speaker 1: characters behave in ways that don't resemble anything even remotely possible.
Speaker 1: It's just Richard. No, it was just cringe worthy for me. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I should probably talk less.
Speaker 3: No, Scott, No.
Speaker 1: I don't like being in a position of not liking
Speaker 1: an episode this much, but I got to be true
Speaker 1: to my critical self. Yeah, yeah, that's what I said,
Speaker 1: can't be absurd stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't mind Emily doing it because it totally
Speaker 3: tracks for Emily, but Richard's not going to be down
Speaker 3: with that. He's just not I thought it was kind
Speaker 3: of amusing that she found the burken bag and she's
Speaker 3: smelling it.
Speaker 1: He's going to defend her right to privacy. He's going
Speaker 1: to be appalled by that kind of Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5: I think it's just ant up with with Richard doing
Speaker 5: it in this time and how he feels about Rory.
Speaker 5: I think if it was like before the Mitcham conversation
Speaker 5: he would have, but not after.
Speaker 3: I just think Richard's never snooping, that's not his.
Speaker 5: No, but he also is someone who does kind of
Speaker 5: what Emily does so completely shocked me.
Speaker 3: I don't know. There was a little bit of a
Speaker 3: funny like there's some lingo there. I think he said
Speaker 3: something about drips and drabs anybody. I don't know. They
Speaker 3: were shooting the breeze Scotch talk. There was a little
Speaker 3: bit of amusing dialogue. But yeah, and Emily did make
Speaker 3: me laugh and when Yeah, but see.
Speaker 1: These are times when actors need to stand up and
Speaker 1: say listen, you know, can we have a conversation, you know,
Speaker 1: with the creators? And I just don't feel comfortable doing
Speaker 1: this because it I mean, I don't know if it
Speaker 1: necessarily ruins the character, but it certainly weakens the character.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, that was a time for
Speaker 1: maybe Ed to stand up and say, hey, can we
Speaker 1: talk about this?
Speaker 3: But you know, how does that go when you do that?
Speaker 1: Like, it depends on it depends on the showrunner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like are some showrunner super open to it and
Speaker 3: are some like no.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, most are like no, no, yeah.
Speaker 3: Interesting, So I have a question.
Speaker 4: Are Emy and Dan like on the set when you're shooting,
Speaker 4: or are they off in the writer's room writing the.
Speaker 1: Next They're usually not there. Yeah, they're usually not there.
Speaker 3: So who would you say it to? The is like
Speaker 3: the director, yes.
Speaker 1: And then the director would make a phone call.
Speaker 3: I would think on this show they aren't as open
Speaker 3: to it as they are on other shows because the
Speaker 3: writing is so specific, and I would feel like they're
Speaker 3: very precious about the writing. But but what do I know?
Speaker 1: You know, we did have discussions about certain logic things.
Speaker 1: There were so many holes and I feel character holes
Speaker 1: in this episode. I don't know if you could stand out,
Speaker 1: that's all you'd be doing the entire time you're on set.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, can we have another conversation? You know,
Speaker 1: and then if it just becomes like a production drag,
Speaker 1: and that's another thing. It's it's difficult to do that
Speaker 1: because then you don't want to get labeled a person
Speaker 1: who is causing delays in that kind of garbage. And
Speaker 1: you know, I I just think it's important if you're
Speaker 1: you need to protect your character and if you feel
Speaker 1: that there are too many distractions going on in the
Speaker 1: writer's room, and they've sort of left you behind in
Speaker 1: it and put you in a situation that's not ringing true.
Speaker 1: You have every duty to bring that up, you know.
Speaker 1: I think it's good for your ral production. And that's
Speaker 1: just you know, not everybody's like that, and they may
Speaker 1: feel it but they don't fall through. But uh, it
Speaker 1: just depends on it depends. It depends on how invested
Speaker 1: you are in playing the character. You know, it depends
Speaker 1: on how much you care about or if you.
Speaker 3: Have the guts to do it, because you might really care,
Speaker 3: but to be too nervous just to do it.
Speaker 1: Well, you certainly find out very quickly if you have
Speaker 1: a showrunner who is open minded, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so we go from that scene to the
Speaker 3: scene that I also it's very kirkish, but we've got
Speaker 3: the mini gazebo and he's got the maps and they're
Speaker 3: not even on the map. I was sort of like, hmm, right,
Speaker 3: Like I Kirk's always fun, but it was sort of right.
Speaker 3: I don't care about it.
Speaker 5: I think it's like you said that the storyline was
Speaker 5: just dragged on a little too long. I think that's
Speaker 5: because I think if this scene was earlier in the episode,
Speaker 5: you would have liked it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe, yeah, yeah. So then we finally go and
Speaker 3: Emily finally calls Laura Lies so the Game of Chicken,
Speaker 3: she finally calls Laurelai and we, you know, discuss all
Speaker 3: this stuff stuff she was gonna give her anyway, and
Speaker 3: the dollhouse. So the scene was important because the it's
Speaker 3: so poignant with Richard and the dollhouse, so that I
Speaker 3: really really liked the payoff with the dollhouse. And man,
Speaker 3: did we have to go through a bunch of tipsy
Speaker 3: turns to get to that.
Speaker 1: But didn't a phone call about the dollhouse between Emily
Speaker 1: and laurel I seen kind of out of the blue. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: So maybe it's just the execution that I'm having a
Speaker 1: problem with. You know. It just seemed like forced conflict
Speaker 1: to me, you know, and Laura I getting so upset
Speaker 1: so quickly about it, and she has every reason to.
Speaker 3: But I don't know I would call it forced reuniting
Speaker 3: because Emily's figuring out a way to talk to her.
Speaker 5: I think I don't think it was force a conversation
Speaker 5: because Emily has never called at the right moment like
Speaker 5: she always is, Like Laura lies in the middle of
Speaker 5: work dealing with something and Emily wants to chat, you know,
Speaker 5: like I feel like there's never been a right time.
Speaker 5: But I think that it goes back to Richard recently
Speaker 5: saw Larelai and Emily didn't, and she's feeling some type
Speaker 5: of way about it, and Emily doesn't know how to
Speaker 5: speak to Lorelei. So this was her way of being like, well,
Speaker 5: here's your dollhouse. And I think it was a really
Speaker 5: important moment where she's like, you know, that dollhouse means
Speaker 5: a lot to me, Like Lorelai doesn't just admit that stuff,
Speaker 5: like she comes off as like the cool girl who
Speaker 5: doesn't care. So I think that moment of do whatever
Speaker 5: you want, but it means a lot to me. I
Speaker 5: think that it, like you said, Amy, the payoff was
Speaker 5: worth it. But I think it's also you kind of
Speaker 5: see that shell breaking of them trying to be like
Speaker 5: tough guy against each other. M hmm A little bit.
Speaker 4: At first, I thought it was kind of disjointed because
Speaker 4: as far as I can remember, that's the first time
Speaker 4: that Emily lorle I have spoken.
Speaker 1: Good word to describe it disjointed, that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, since Loralai showed up in their bedroom with the
Speaker 4: laundry basket full of war stuff. Tara, you made me
Speaker 4: realize that, Yeah, is feeling put out because she realizes
Speaker 4: that Richard has talked to her more recently and she
Speaker 4: was not let in on that. So like her brain
Speaker 4: dreamed this thing.
Speaker 3: Up as a right, yeah, and then Richard comes in
Speaker 3: for the win because Emily's like, well then I'll just
Speaker 3: you know, give the give the dollhouse away to Sotheby's
Speaker 3: or whatever. And then it's to me, Richard is twofold.
Speaker 3: He takes the time to bring the dollhouse over, something
Speaker 3: that Loralai really cares about. So not only is he
Speaker 3: showing that gesture number two, he's using it to come
Speaker 3: over and say to her when we need to talk
Speaker 3: about Rory, which tant amounts to me as I was wrong,
Speaker 3: and here I am, Yeah I was wrong, and he
Speaker 3: knows he was wrong. And so to me, like it's
Speaker 3: all worth that, this all this meandering we have in
Speaker 3: this episode is worth it, because Okay, finally.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's if he's feeling like he
Speaker 1: was wrong. I think he's they're trying to find a solution.
Speaker 5: I think it both.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he he learned he's wrong because he told Laura
Speaker 3: is the Huntsburgers they didn't do it. They didn't do.
Speaker 1: It, but he knows that they did.
Speaker 3: Now that's why he's that. This is his way of
Speaker 3: saying to me, he's bringing the dollhouse over.
Speaker 1: But isn't she already aware of that?
Speaker 3: No, he's never told.
Speaker 1: Laura had this conversation.
Speaker 3: No, she doesn't know anything about the confrontation with the Huntsburgers.
Speaker 3: And that he's realized, Oh god, you were right and
Speaker 3: I was wrong, and this is that this is.
Speaker 1: Isn't it odd that it happens at the end of
Speaker 1: this episode. Maybe it's probably how the episode should have began,
Speaker 1: and that because it would have been the overarching storyline,
Speaker 1: and that could have informed everything else that was happening
Speaker 1: with Rory and and and Low. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: the story, the narrative that was missing in this entire
Speaker 1: episode because we just came from that that that episode
Speaker 1: that was so entertained, You're right, you're right, you could
Speaker 1: is so full of power and fine, and then it's like,
Speaker 1: where's the thread. It's nowhere to be found in this
Speaker 1: episode except right.
Speaker 3: It takes a long time to get there.
Speaker 1: It did it right, so disjointed. There you go.
Speaker 5: I think also with Richard, I think he wanted to
Speaker 5: figure things out on his own a little bit more
Speaker 5: before going to Laurai. And you can see he did
Speaker 5: that with trying to talk to Logan. And you know,
Speaker 5: maybe even though going through Rory's room was out of character,
Speaker 5: maybe he was looking for something to then take that
Speaker 5: to the table to LAURALI. But this was a way
Speaker 5: of reuniting with her for because what other reason would
Speaker 5: would Richard show up to her house to check in
Speaker 5: on the fire, Like he didn't have a reason to
Speaker 5: show up. So doing this, he's like, I'll take it
Speaker 5: at the dollhouse. And I think Richard knows how much
Speaker 5: it means to her. Like Richard comes off kind of
Speaker 5: as someone who doesn't pay attention at times, like he's
Speaker 5: reading his book whatever, but he knows more than you think.
Speaker 1: Listen, I pine for the scenes that weren't written. I
Speaker 1: think certain scenes they flash before my eyes. Richard was
Speaker 1: having to restrain himself to not punch Mitchen Huntsberger in
Speaker 1: that bathroom, so it was the cat is totally out
Speaker 1: of the bag. Right. Where is the scene where he
Speaker 1: sits down with Rory as a loving carrying grandfather to
Speaker 1: apologize to her and to discuss how to get her
Speaker 1: back on the horse and to build up her confidence.
Speaker 1: What is all this pussy footing around in this episode
Speaker 1: wasting our time?
Speaker 3: She wasn't entertaining she will I think she's I think they.
Speaker 1: Fine have her not listened, but get to the damn story.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's what he's doing now. I think
Speaker 3: he's going to Lorelai because originally Lorlai had the plan
Speaker 3: if we all link arms together, we will be able
Speaker 3: to get her back to Yale, and then the Gilmours
Speaker 3: deviated from that plan.
Speaker 1: But on a personal level, he owes Rory, I agree
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 3: I actually agree with you.
Speaker 1: You know, And he owes Laurel I something well, And
Speaker 1: Rory and Richard have such a good relationship that I
Speaker 1: don't know why he doesn't sit down with her.
Speaker 3: And say, exactly, we need to get you back to
Speaker 3: you exactly, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: After that very very dynamic episode, very satisfying episode, I mean,
Speaker 1: here we are like waiting for it.
Speaker 3: Well, and there's one more thing to talk about in
Speaker 3: this episode that's sort of interesting is when she tells logan,
Speaker 3: I love you. That was sort of like it was
Speaker 3: sort of like should have been a crescendo. But it's
Speaker 3: how the Gilmore, I mean, it's how the Palladinos like
Speaker 3: to do it. They give you this big moment that
Speaker 3: you think is the big moment.
Speaker 1: But really they certainly have a way screwing up really
Speaker 1: nice moments.
Speaker 5: The guy at the store told me the bag would
Speaker 5: do this, like that was like the payoff.
Speaker 3: I know. I thought the payoff was when he says
Speaker 3: I've told a lot of girls I love them.
Speaker 5: I don't know what I mean, like if you told
Speaker 5: someone you love them and they're like, oh, it's the bag, Like.
Speaker 3: It was sort of a mess. Yeah, and it was
Speaker 3: it could have That was for me, that's the flag
Speaker 3: of the episode.
Speaker 1: I like you a little more than just bullshless lying
Speaker 1: to you about I love you. So I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say it, but I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was my favorite scene.
Speaker 1: Oh man, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Huh so yeah, anyway, yeah, that was that could have been. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that could have been a ten out of ten moment
Speaker 3: and it was sort of a even if he didn't
Speaker 3: say it back. And I thought she was right when
Speaker 3: she said, you know, I someone said it to me
Speaker 3: once and I didn't say it like there was there
Speaker 3: was such a better conversation to be had between them.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that was in life. That's a big mansible,
Speaker 1: as they say, hanging out there. You know, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was tell somebody you love them and you don't get
Speaker 1: the return. It's like kind of.
Speaker 3: Was a throwaway. And for me, their relationship is so
Speaker 3: much more serious. So I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: But then sometimes I think about I think about the
Speaker 3: movies and I go their relationship is so messed up.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I digress. Oh what do you give it? Favorite lines?
Speaker 3: What do you give it? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Uh, I like the go ahead, Tara.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I just thought the whole bit was funny. With
Speaker 5: the bag, so I liked when Rory said my computer
Speaker 5: cords would fit perfectly in the bag. It was just
Speaker 5: so like she was just so clueless.
Speaker 3: I think I've said my favorite line was like ten
Speaker 3: four and four. That made me giggle, And I did giggle.
Speaker 3: When Richard said you need to look under the TUTSI
Speaker 3: rolls and she says that's gonna bother me, and that
Speaker 3: that actually made me laugh out loud.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you have a favorite line, but.
Speaker 1: I liked the sugar cane, the maids out the grapefruit,
Speaker 1: the sugar cane line, and I also like the I
Speaker 1: like the logan line when he said I've told a
Speaker 1: lot of girls that I've loved them, and I'm just
Speaker 1: not going to say that teacher, because it was just
Speaker 1: so oh awkward.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm only giving it a seven. What do
Speaker 3: you I'm going to give it seven.
Speaker 1: Sores and boils, so that would be fourteen total or
Speaker 1: three and a half stores and three.
Speaker 3: Three and a half, three and a half, yeah, three
Speaker 3: and a half boils, three and a half sores.
Speaker 5: I'm going to give it. I'm also going to give
Speaker 5: it seven TOTSI rolls, m.
Speaker 1: Hm hm.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it. Sorry, I gotta be honest.
Speaker 1: This is one of my least favorite.
Speaker 3: No, we're not going to judge you give it what.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it four glasses of single malt
Speaker 1: Scotch because that's what I'm gonna need to get over
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