1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast, the Life Changes edition, as we 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: look at some big changes on the Bengals offensive line 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: with the start of training camp looming in a little 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: more than a week. Coming up, I'll go one on 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: one with Clint Bowling, who announced his retirement on Monday 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: after being one of the bengals most reliable players for 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: the past eight seasons. That news comes a few weeks 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: after we learned the first round draft pick Jonah Williams 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: will miss the season with a shoulder injury. I'll talk 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: to Dave Lapham about the impact of those losses and 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: what the Bengals are likely to do on the left 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: side of their offensive line. Those conversations are straight ahead, 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: but first, here's a quick reminder that you can have 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: the latest edition of this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, 16 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: or computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify, 17 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: or pod Bean. It's the greatest invention since the National 18 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: Comedy Center. I grew up near Jamestown, New York, best 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: known for being the hometown of Lucio Ball, and on 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: a recent visit to see my folks. I checked out 21 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: the National Comedy Center. It opened last year and it's 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: a high tech, state of the art, interactive museum celebrating 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: the history of comedy. So if you happen to be 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 1: near Jamestown in the southwest tip of New York State, 25 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: be sure to check it out. You won't be disappointed. 26 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: Now let's get to football. We're sad to see him 27 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: go because he was a great player and we value 28 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: those experienced veteran players, and he's on a wolf for 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: a long time. But I know that they're they're a 30 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: piece of the decision and so happy for them. I'm 31 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: happy for their family, and he'll get a chance to 32 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: move on with the rest of his life. That was 33 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: Bengal's head coach Zach Taylor, reacting to Monday's announcement that 34 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: offensive lineman Clint Bowling is retiring for medical reasons. A 35 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: few days after last see It ended, Bowling felt pain 36 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: in his right leg. It turned out to be a 37 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: blood clot, and shortly after that Clint learned that the 38 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: blood clot had traveled to his lungs. That explains why 39 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: he did not take part in the Bengal summer workouts 40 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: and after talking to doctors and thinking about his wife 41 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: and two daughters, who are both under the age of two, 42 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: Bowling decided to call it quits. I spoke to him 43 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: about that decision and his fine NFL career. Clint. She 44 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: told us she'd been playing football since sixth grade. So 45 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: this will be the first time in your adult life 46 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: you've not been part of a football team in the fall. 47 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: Is it kind of hard to believe that's going to 48 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: be the case? Yeah, I mean it's a pretty surreal feeling, 49 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, really trying to wrap my head around you know, 50 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: what am I going to do? But at the same time, 51 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's exciting to move on to the next venture. 52 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: You know, football was a big part of my life, 53 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: but it's not you know who I am, and to 54 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: be able to figure out, you know, what I'm going 55 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: to move on to next in life is exciting. It's 56 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: such a sport of routine. You have to be in 57 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: certain places at certain times. Your schedule is dictated for you, 58 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: especially once training camp begins. Now I suppose other than uh, 59 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, appointments with your daughters and so forth, you 60 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: can determine what you want to do in a daily 61 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: basis yeah, you know, just uh, you know, hopefully still 62 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: be a little regimented, just from getting up with the kids, 63 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: dropping them off and taking care of them, doing whatever 64 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: I need to do with them, and then, um, I 65 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: guess just kind of catching some tea times after that. 66 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: I got to be on time for those. So that's 67 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: the that's the plan right now and just you know, 68 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: kind of take this fall in and you know, hopefully 69 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: get to travel some with my family and you know, 70 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: just just relax for a little while. Will you be 71 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: one of these guys that drops a bunch of weight 72 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: after your playing career? I hope. So, uh, you know, 73 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: I'd like to start working on it and we'll see 74 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: what what what I get down to or if I 75 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: get down to anything, but I hope. So I'd like 76 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: to you know, I've always enjoyed lifting and working out, 77 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: like to continue doing that, um, and definitely will continue 78 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: to do that just because you know, kind of keep 79 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: myself motivated is to you know, stay in the gym, 80 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: stay working out, and at the same time you kind 81 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: of get that, you know, in the in the gym, 82 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: you still got that locker room atmosphere with some trainers 83 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. Guys that I've been working 84 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: out with and training since I was in high school. 85 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: We're visiting with Clint Bowling. In the Bengals news release 86 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: that announced a retirement, Mike Brown had a quote in 87 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: there that said he never got the credit he deserved. 88 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: Did you see that? And do you agree? Uh? You know, 89 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: just just part of being an offensive linement is sometimes 90 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: you just have to accept that. And like I talked 91 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: about earlier, just about you know, coming in and working 92 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: every single day. If you know, you can definitely be 93 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: upset about certain things, but at the end of the day, 94 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: it's just about doing your job and making the guys 95 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: around you better, and that's what offensive linement's all about. Sometimes. 96 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: Twenty eleven draft class worked out pretty well Green Dalton Bowling. Yeah, 97 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: it was a you know, it was a good group 98 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: of guys. You know, any time you can have you know, 99 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: three starters on the offensive are on the offense like that, 100 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: it's a I gotta think, you gotta think it was 101 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: a good draft and for us to come in and 102 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: as a team we were able to go to five 103 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: playoff games in a row. Um obviously would have liked 104 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: to have gone a different way, but uh, you know, ultimately, 105 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: it was fun coming on with those guys and um, 106 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, experience in this city and team together. Have 107 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: you heard from your former teammate Andrew Whitworth and his 108 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: hee busting your balls that he's still playing and you 109 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: are retiring? Um, you know, I actually told Andrew a 110 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: few days ago a lot you know, kind of tried 111 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: to talk to a couple of friends, and you know, 112 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: he was one of the guys that I had talked 113 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: to before everything. But um, you know, they wouldn't surprise 114 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: me if he somehow played another two or three years. 115 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: But um, you know, what he's been doing in LA 116 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: has just been incredible. The way that he's been able 117 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: to continue his career and play as long as he has. 118 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: It's just, um, you know, it's unbelievable to watch. You 119 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: had to practice against Geno Atkins in college and in 120 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: the pros, so we know what a headache that must 121 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: have been. But how about opposing players who did you 122 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: consider to be the best guys you ever faced? Ah, 123 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of different guys that that 124 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: come to mind. You know, there's guys in our division 125 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: like Cameron Hayward, who's you know, just a really physical 126 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: player that doesn't take plays off. I mean every single 127 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: play he's given it as all. You know, there's some 128 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: guys in Baltimore, some sugs and some of those nose 129 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: guards that are really you know, hard to move. Um. 130 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: You know, obviously other guys that you know, some premier 131 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: guys like JJ Watter are obviously all really good players. 132 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: So I mean, when you go into the NFL game 133 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: and you know every single week you're going to be 134 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: in for a challenge, what guys talk the most that 135 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: you faced? Honestly, I never really talked much. I just 136 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 1: went about there every now and then you come across. 137 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: But there's never anybody that stands stands out to me, 138 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: just because I tried to. I tried to keep to myself. 139 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: I never My theory was I just never wanted to 140 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: make anybody more mad than they were. So, well, now 141 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: you don't have to face the Steelers anymore, how do 142 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: you feel about them? You know what I mean? That 143 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: was always a fun place to play, but you know, 144 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: just to finish my career here, I mean that it's 145 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna always be fun. Sharing for the 146 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: Bengals and anytime they're playing Pittsburgh. It's it's always going 147 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: to be a physical game, and you know some you 148 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: know game that I'm always gonna be pulling for the 149 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: Bengals for it was there a welcome to the NFL moment, 150 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: your rookie year. Um, you know, just just the interactions 151 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: and meeting the guys. Like I said, there's so many 152 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: different personalities in the locker room and meeting so many 153 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: different people. It was it was just a unique experience. 154 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if there was a particular moment, but 155 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: maybe when I was walking through the parking lot and 156 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: I saw all the different cars, that was probably the 157 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: first thing that stood out. Is there a game or 158 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: are there a couple of games that stand out as 159 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: your favorites? Um, you know, one that we won I 160 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: would definitely say would be the end of the season 161 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen playing at Baltimore, you know, having to switch positions, 162 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: play out at tackle, and you know, winning on the 163 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: last play of the game like that on fourth down 164 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: was just you know, an awesome way to end the season. 165 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: And then, um, you know, obviously there were some disappointing 166 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: playoff games, but those playoff atmospheres, I mean, it was 167 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: just you can tell it's cranked up another notch. I mean, 168 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: you play football for sixteen weeks and then you go 169 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: play a playoff game and it's just a different atmosphere. 170 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: The crowd's a different atmosphere, the intensity levels different and 171 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: it was just always fun kind of experience experience at 172 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: football at just the highest level. Even when I asked 173 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: you about wins, you mentioned losses. Did the losses hurt 174 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: more than you know you savored the wins? I would 175 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: say so, just because those those are the games that truly, 176 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: you know that you stand out like, oh man, if 177 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: I just did this differently, if we did this differently 178 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: as a team, then this would have happened. And you know, 179 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: you kind of relish in those moments a little bit 180 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: more than some of the some of the wins. And 181 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: that's just you know, some of those losses just stick 182 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: in your mind a little bit, a little bit more 183 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: than the winds do sometimes. If Andy didn't break his 184 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: thumb in two thy fifteen, is that the season that 185 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: you think might have ended in a very special way? Yeah, 186 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, we were we were a great football team 187 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: that year. We played a lot of good ball and um, 188 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: you know, there's a. There's a ton of what ifs 189 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: throughout my career, throughout the teams that I've been on. Um, 190 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: so it's always you know, kind of tough to to 191 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, if we just did this differently. 192 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's um, you know, 193 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: had up played on a lot of good teams. What 194 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: do you love or what did you love about this sport? 195 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: Like I you know I said earlier, I think just 196 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: the the camaraderie, the fifty three guys in this locker room, 197 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: the all the unique and different personalities and um, you know, 198 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: coming together as a football team and seeing where you know, 199 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: how guys got here, where they're from, and their life story. 200 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: It's just you know, there's so many unique stories and 201 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: just to hear them all. Um, it was always fun 202 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: to uh you know, pre practice, post practice guys joking 203 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: around was always it was always fun. Do you feel 204 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: good when you wake up after eight years in the NFL? 205 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: Or are there still some aches and pains depending on 206 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: if it's going to rain or whatever. Uh, you know, 207 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: it just it just depends. For the most part. You know, 208 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: I feel well right now, and um just excited to 209 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: move on and figure out the next step sounds like 210 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: the blood clot issue that popped up at the end 211 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: of the season, at least briefly, was kind of a 212 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: scary situation. Yeah. Absolutely, you know, just um, you know, 213 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: anytime you have to go to a hospital, you know, 214 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: you never know exactly what's going on, and just trying 215 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: to figure out what exactly and was happening and wrapped 216 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: my head around it was. It was tough. Um, But 217 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: like I said, um, you know, sometimes there's things that 218 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: are bigger than football, and um, you know, you just 219 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: have to make that decision sometimes. Paul Brown used to 220 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: famously tell people or tell players at the end of 221 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: their career, it's time to find your life's work. Yeah, 222 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: how much thought have you given to your next venture coaching, 223 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: broadcasting business? What are you thinking? You know, we'll we'll 224 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: just really try to figure that out this fall. Fortunately, 225 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: I'll be in a position to where I don't have 226 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: to jump into anything I don't want to right now, 227 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: So just to kind of take some time and start 228 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: networking and meeting people and and really figuring out exactly 229 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: what's next is you know, something that will start right now. 230 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: I think you've done well financially, so you probably don't 231 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: have to work again the rest of your life. But 232 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: I don't picture you as sitting on the couch a 233 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: couple of years from now. No, I think, um, you know, 234 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: for guys to stay active, like we talked about football, 235 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: at the end of football is just the beginning of 236 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: your life. Football is a big part of my life. 237 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: But you know, to to move on and stay busy 238 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: and stay active. You know it's gonna be uh, it's 239 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: gonna be exciting to see what that next step is. 240 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: But you know, you absolutely I feel I have to 241 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: stay busy as a person and challenge yourself. Sometimes training 242 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: camp begins in less than two weeks. I'm assuming you're 243 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: not going to miss that too much. It's you know, 244 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: it's been unique. It's a unique feeling knowing that you're 245 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: not gonna have to put the pads on again and 246 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, fight your way through another football practice when 247 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: you're about eight or nine days in. You know, it's 248 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: a it's something that one of the things I won't miss. 249 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: You had a great career. I've always considered you be 250 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: you to be one of the real unsung heroes on 251 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: this team. In the locker room, on the offensive line, 252 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: just a total solid as a rock pro. Congratulations on 253 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: eight great years. Thanks for all the time you've given us, 254 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: and best of luck with Kelly and the girls. Awesome. 255 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: Thank you guys very much for the past few years. Thanks. 256 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: Bowling started all sixteen games in four out of the 257 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: last five seasons, but he wasn't only reliable. According to 258 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus, he was the bengals highest rated offensive 259 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: lineman among their starters last year. The news of Bowling's 260 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: retirement comes roughly three weeks after we learned that rookie 261 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: Jonah Williams, the eleventh pick in this year's draft and 262 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: the team's likely starter at left tackle, will miss the 263 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: entire season with an injured left shoulder. I discussed those 264 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: developments with my broadcast partner, Dave lappam lapped. The roughly 265 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: a month between the end of the mandatory mini camp 266 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: in the start of training camp is supposed to be quiet, 267 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: but that was hardly the case for the Bengals this year, 268 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: as they lost a couple of offensive lineman. Let's start 269 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: with number one draft pick Jonah Williams, who will miss 270 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: the entire season with a torn labram in his left shoulder. 271 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: Let's start with the injury itself, what will that mean 272 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: to him going forward? My understanding is that the severity 273 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: of the tear can be repaired readily and that it 274 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't be a hindrance. And as with all surgeries, everybody 275 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: reacts differently, and then it's amount and then it amounts 276 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: to how committed are you to rehab? Knowing him a 277 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: little bit, I think he'll be a maniacle maniacal. I 278 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: should say rehab, guys. I think I think that's what 279 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: he'll He'll they'll probably have to say all right, Orange, 280 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: they'll hold him back a little bit. I think he'll 281 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: try to do maybe too much too soon. If anything, 282 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: it won't be if the rehab is not is not great, 283 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: it won't be for lack of effort. So I think 284 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: he's going to be fine. And you know, it is 285 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: that it is that left shoulder, which is his outside 286 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: shoulder at left tackle, where you know a lot of 287 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: the heavy traffic takes place, so you have to make 288 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: sure that that it's back and it's it's at full 289 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: where you're you're out there or trying to do something. 290 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: So I think they made the decision wisely, you know, 291 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: just let's just let this year, um, you know, take 292 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: place in terms of him getting ready for the second 293 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: year of his NFL career, and I think he's going 294 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: to be a long one. I think he's going to 295 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: have a long NFL career. I think a lot of 296 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: people want to know, how does that happen in a 297 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: mini camp with limited hitting. Yeah, sometimes you can just 298 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: get caught. You know, you're still you're still doing you know, 299 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: et en penetrate, tackle twist, tackle penetrate, end twist, those 300 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: stunts and those kind of things, and sometimes you can 301 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: just get caught, you know, get your arm hot awkwardly, 302 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: you know, amongst a massive bodies and just be you know, 303 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: put in a position where your arm and your shoulder 304 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: doesn't isn't going the way that it normally should go, 305 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: you know, and and uh so that that you know, 306 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: that can happen. That can happen, um, you know, at 307 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: any time in the game of football. So unfortunately, and 308 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, of course, there was a lot of concern 309 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: because Saban is known as the guy that beats beats 310 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: his players up and was this an injury that he 311 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: had at Alabama? It was a lingering injury and in 312 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: today's high tech medical world. They can blood. They can 313 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: determine from blood samples around the injured area, and by 314 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: looking at the imaging, they're so specific they can tell 315 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: if it's old injury or new injury. And this was 316 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: a new injury that was sustained, you know, probably during 317 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: those mini camps. Lap. It's the fifth consecutive year that 318 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: the Bengals number one draft pick will have an injury 319 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: plagued rookie season. Belly Price, John Ross, William Jackson, Cedric 320 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: Obwaihi were the previous four. It's pretty ridiculous. I mean, 321 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: it's bad luck it is. You know, when they drafted 322 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: cedrical Way, he you know he had he had played 323 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: in that Bowl game with the blown out nie and 324 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: played the whole second half with that torn ligament in 325 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: his knee and u and had surgery to repairt. I mean, 326 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: those muscles, his quads and hamstrings were so strong that 327 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: you know he could he could play and uh and 328 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: finish the game. So yeah, it's crazy. But a lot 329 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: of those were shoulder and chest problems. So I guess 330 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: maybe the next time you draft the first round, or 331 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: make sure there'n't have many shoulders or chest don't have 332 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: to worry about injuries to those body parts. I mean, 333 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: it is crazy the odds of that happening as often 334 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: as it's happened in consecutive years. So the Bengals are staggering, staggering, 335 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. The last Bengals first round draft pick to 336 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: play all sixteen games was Kevin Zeitler, but he was 337 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: not their first overall pick that year. Drake Kirkpatrick was 338 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: and he only played five games that year. The last 339 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: time the Bengals number one overall pick played all sixteen 340 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 1: games was two thousand and seven Leon Hall. There have 341 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: been guys that have played fifteen, including Tyler Eiffort, but 342 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: the last guy to play all sixteen who is their 343 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: first pick in the draft was Leon Hall. That's incredible. 344 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: You know when you when you h I mean, obviously 345 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: they're draft in the first round for a reason. And um, 346 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: you know, if you if you miss on first round 347 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: picks due to lack of ability or injury, it can 348 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: set you back a long period of time. And fortunately 349 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: these were you know, in a lot of cases injuries 350 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: for that rookie year, but then they came back and played. 351 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: Although you know, guys like Tyler and John Ross have 352 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: had injury played career so far, so you just never know. 353 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: There's no guarantees. It is. It is what it is. 354 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: In terms of full contact sport, you have one hundred 355 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: percent injury risk every single snap, and I guess these 356 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: are good examples of it. Now. The more recent offseason news, 357 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: Clint Bowling's decision to retire after thing with a blood 358 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: clot in the off season not a shocker. When we 359 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 1: saw him standing off to the side during the various 360 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: and mini camps and training camp or pre training camp 361 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: offseason program, it was clear that something was going on 362 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: and that this was at least a possibility. Yeah. I 363 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: mean when you're talking to medical scenario like a blood 364 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: clot in the leg that was traveling to the lung, 365 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: you know, and now you're talking about you know, hospital trips, 366 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: which he had, and now you're talking about a guy's 367 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: health that is much more than just a game of football, 368 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: particularly with a wife in a twenty month and a 369 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: five month old daughters. So it was not I guarantee 370 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: you it was not easy for Clint Bowling to make 371 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: the decision he made, and the fact that he was 372 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: up here for those mini camps just to go through 373 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: the mental part of getting ready for the game of football. 374 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: He had not made a total decision yet, but he 375 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: was leaning toward probably the decision that he made here 376 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: today for probably probably a couple of months. I bet 377 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: he'd been thinking about it, talking about it. You make 378 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: a trip to the hospital. It's it's gonna make you 379 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,239 Speaker 1: thinking about you know what am I gonna do when 380 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: football is over? Because it looks like it's going to 381 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: be over here. How big of a blow is it? 382 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: It's it's it's significant because in today's NFL, versatility in 383 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: the offensive line is a big deal because last year, 384 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: thinking how many times the Bengals only activated seven offensive 385 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: lineman because they had a Clint Bowling that could play 386 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: multiple spots. That's why to me, Trey Hopkins has a 387 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: chance to still make this football team because, like Clint, 388 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: he's very intelligent and he's very versatile, and coaches like 389 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: intelligence and versatility in their football players. So I think 390 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: he might be the guy. And he may not necessarily 391 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: be a starting lineman, but he's a guy that could 392 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: be the seventh one of the seven guys active that 393 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: can you can plug in anywhere and finish a game 394 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: with and not be embarrassed about it. He can go 395 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: and execute and finish games or play you know, two 396 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: or three straight games depending on jury or whatever the 397 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: case may be. So you're you're looking for, you know, 398 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: somebody to to plug in to that you know, the intelligence, 399 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: the versatility. But he had the experience now too, so 400 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: he's he's uh, you know, this term pros pro is 401 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: thrown around a lot. I do it probably too much. 402 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 1: He is, you know, Webster is looking up the picture 403 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: for pros pro. Clint Bowling's head is right there because, 404 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: like Mike Brown said, you know, he's probably underappreciated. He 405 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: didn't get enough credit for what you did for this organization. 406 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: And he never toots his own horn. I mean, he 407 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: doesn't say Clint Bowling doesn't say crap if he has 408 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,239 Speaker 1: a mouthful of it, you know. I mean, he's one 409 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: of those kind of guys that just goes out and 410 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: wants to be part of the team and and play 411 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: and that they're gonna miss that, They're gonna miss what 412 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: he contributes on the field. But um Young look like 413 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: when he came in the league with Wit showed him 414 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: the way this is, this is how you um operate 415 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: as a professional offensive lineman the National Football League, what 416 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: moves on bowling when young guys came in, that's the 417 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: guy to watch everything he does. You do what he does, 418 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: you're gonna be fine. And nobody plays forever, so you 419 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: know there's going to be another guy that has to 420 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: step up and fill that role, and there will be. 421 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: But it's a role that's going to have to be filled. 422 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: And I think that's the you know, that's that's the 423 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: role that people I don't think realize. You know that 424 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: he filled as well as he did. With Jonah Williams 425 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: out for the year, Corty Glenn kicks out and plays 426 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: left tackle. What's the battle look like going into training 427 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: camp at left guard? Yeah, boy, it's it's wide open. 428 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: Like like Zach said, there's you know, there's thirteen linemen 429 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: they're gonna be going into training camp still and uh, 430 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: you know when when you look at it, you think, 431 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: all right, well, not only there's there's two things you 432 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: have to think about. Who's going to be the left 433 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: guard and who's the third tackle. I mean, they have 434 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: two tackles and you know a lot of bengaldom isn't 435 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: real happy with either one of the two tackles they have, 436 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: who's the third tackle? Do you have to do you 437 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: have to wait till the final cutdown of the last 438 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: cuts in the National Football League before your third tackle 439 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: shows up? Do you have to make a training camp trade? 440 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: They've made training camp trades before. You may have depending 441 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: on how it unfolds the camp. If nobody's shown, um, 442 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: I think, I think you can identify your five best 443 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: linemen and and somebody will end up playing that you know, 444 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: that left guard spot. But then the roster depth is 445 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: the key again. And you know, Hopkins, I think with 446 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: his long arms could kick out there and not embarrass 447 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: himself at the tackle position. You know you've got You've 448 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: got other guys that have done it. Jerry went out 449 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: there when he was with the Dolphins, played a couple 450 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: of games at the at the tackle position. There are 451 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: other guys that have played at the tackle spot, but 452 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: not not a whole lot of reps, you know, at 453 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: that tackle position. So you know, left guard and uh 454 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: in third tackle, those are the ones that are gonna 455 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: be under the microscope scope and are going to be 456 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: you know, honed in on, focused in on big time? 457 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: Is it Christian Westerman's job to lose. You know, I 458 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: Christian Westerman physically is the guy. But is he gonna 459 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: go where he's supposed to go and be there when 460 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: he's supposed to be there and do what he's supposed 461 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: to do? Those are the keys, And you know that's 462 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: why Trey Hopkins is a guy that as a you know, 463 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: I projected myself as a line coach and like coach 464 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: Turner's like, man, you know, do I want to go 465 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 1: with the with the guy that I physically might you know, 466 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: really overpower some people. But key time on the road 467 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: screaming fans, you got a beast in front of you 468 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: all of a sudden. You know, you might have done 469 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: it on the grease board, okay, but boy, now you 470 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: have to operate under pressure and can you live with 471 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: that potential mistake? Or do you want the guy that 472 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: you know no matter what. Now, physically he may not 473 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: do as great a job as the other guy in 474 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: terms of movement and things like that, but he's gonna 475 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: be on the right guy. He's gonna doing the right 476 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: thing though. So those those decisions are going to be 477 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: very interesting for the coaching staff to make. But I 478 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,959 Speaker 1: think this is the year that Westerman, hopefully you know, 479 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: steps up. But West situation, Dan, you think about it, 480 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: His issue is, you know, the mental part of the game. Well, 481 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: this would be his third line coach in three years. 482 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: New techniques, new systems, new assignments. That's hard. It's hard 483 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: for anybody, particularly a guy that struggles with that type 484 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: of thing. So you know, the thing is everybody's starting 485 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: at ground zero from that standpoint because it's new system, 486 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: new staff and all that. So Westerman is starting a 487 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: ground zero with all parties. Um, hopefully he picks it 488 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: up as fast as the others do. Is the big 489 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: thing with new line coaches and picking up their system. 490 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: Not necessarily how you specifically you know, set up your 491 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: hands and your feet to block a specific guy, but 492 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: how you handle the twists, the stunts, the approach that 493 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: each line takes to handling that kind of stuff. Yeah, 494 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: and there are you know, there are different techniques, um, 495 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: you know, guys, guys, some coaches teach different hand placements 496 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: and and and different torques that you might try to 497 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: utilize in those types of thing aiming points. But yeah, 498 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: the twist and the stunts and sometimes you know, protections 499 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: are different in terms of terminology and then responsibility within 500 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: the terminology. So it's like, you know, if you if 501 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: you're a guard and you're an uncovered guard and you 502 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: have a linebacker, and then you know, sometimes I gotta 503 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: I gotta make sure I only had that inside linebacker. 504 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: If he doesn't come, I gotta help inside on this protection. 505 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: If inside linebacker doesn't come, I gotta check outside of 506 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: the outside linebacker. So you know, it's like you're gotta 507 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 1: keep it all straight and you have to keep all 508 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: the terminology straight, and sometimes guys flat out brain cramp. 509 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: You know, some guys, you know, master it quickly. Clint 510 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: Bowling was a guy that mastered it quickly. I mean 511 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: he could he would adjust, you know to uh new systems, 512 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: new techniques, new coaches, no issue. Other guys takes a while. 513 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: One of the big things we always look at at 514 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: the beginning of training camp are the injured guys coming 515 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: back and how quickly they get back on the field. 516 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: So AJ Green, Kyl Loss and Ryan Glasgow Tyler, if 517 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: dark Quaz Denard, that's going to be a big focus. 518 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: When the guys get the rolling and dating it is, 519 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: it's going to be a big focus, and all these guys, 520 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: you know, potentially it could be significant contributors to the 521 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: football team. You know, some starters some you know in 522 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: today's NFL, the term starters is almost foreign to me, 523 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: you know, because all these sub packages, you know, even 524 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: with defensive linemen and sub packages. If you're if you know, 525 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: you're going against the team that is going to have 526 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: three and four receivers on the field the whole time, 527 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: you're going to have your nickel pass rush group in there. 528 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: In the defensive line, you only have two linebackers out there, Max, 529 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: and you know, multiple defensive back So you know, it's 530 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: like the starting eleven is nowhere near the starting eleven 531 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: that's on the flipp card, you know, and it might 532 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: be that way for eighty percent of the snaps in 533 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 1: that football game. So all of these guys, um you know, 534 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: have have shown or want to show that they can 535 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: make significant contributions to their to the Bengals in the 536 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: National Football League, and all of them have the potential 537 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 1: the ability to do it. Will they stay healthy, will 538 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: they come back healthy enough? And in some cases, like 539 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: in Tyler's case, it's like, you know, people start to 540 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: wonder how many injuries before. He's not running the routes 541 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: like he did where he could sink his hips getting 542 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: out of the cuts. You know, a big body guy 543 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: that can run routes like a wide out. To me, 544 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: it looks like he's still able to do that. But 545 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, you start to wonder, as the number one 546 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: age and then number one age as well as injury, 547 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: how big of a how big of a toll does 548 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: it start to take on people? What will you be 549 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,479 Speaker 1: looking at when training camp begins into this new coaching staff, 550 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: initially the old line, you know, as a former linement, 551 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: I'll be looking at that offensive line. I know, I know, 552 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: I know. Coach Turner, Jimmy Turner's got their attention. He 553 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: is a type of offensive line coach that has got 554 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: a big presence. He's got every player's attention that offensive line. Now, 555 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: his task is to establish relationships with the players and 556 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: trust that comes with the relationships with the players, and 557 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: then relationships within the players themselves. Player the player relationships 558 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: and the trust that goes along with that. And like 559 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: we said, potentially, you know, they could be down to 560 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: projected starters right now, you know, depending on how we're 561 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: to unfold that We don't know. You can't look into 562 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: crystal ball and say the left tackle was going to 563 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: be Jonah and the left guard is going to be Clint. 564 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: You don't know that for sure, but there's a damn 565 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: good chance it could have gone that way, you know, 566 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: barring injury and retirement because of injury and health issues 567 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: and all that sort of thing. So that that group 568 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: is going to be is going to be interesting to watch. 569 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: And then I think um does the tempo, enthusiasm, spree accord, 570 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: does all that sustain itself, you know, during all through 571 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: training camp like it did in the mini camps and 572 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: the OTAs and and that sort of thing. And then 573 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: and then in the very beginning of the season, you 574 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,479 Speaker 1: know they're on the road early, and uh, you know, 575 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: you get hitting the mouth on the road, and how 576 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: will this team respond when they get hitting the mouth? 577 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: As Tyson has said many times famous, everybody's got a 578 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: game plan that you get hit in the mouth. So 579 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: adversity is going to hit. It's a question to win. 580 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: And how will this uh you know, this young coaching 581 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: staff and these players you know, respond to that type 582 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: of adversity. So there's there's a lot to look look 583 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: forward to for sure. I always enjoy, you know, training camp, 584 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: just watching how the team is put together. You know, 585 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: it's you have you have ninety pieces to select from. 586 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: In the beginning, you would let down. We'll let down, 587 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: We'll let down. Why are you it down this way? 588 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: And what's the thought process? And how how is this 589 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: team going to be put together? And how is it 590 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: going to compete? It's it's it's an interesting process to watch. 591 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: Your batteries are reach outs. You're ready to go. I'm 592 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: ready to rock and roll. 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