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Speaker 1: E dot com. I'm sitting in Phil's bed.
Speaker 3: How's it feel?
Speaker 1: I'm right where I'm right where Missus Taylor sits.
Speaker 3: Huh, that's interesting. That's the first place your mind went.
Speaker 1: Well, Phil, I asked Phil, what side of the Betty
Speaker 1: sleeps on? Sue's on the same side of the bed
Speaker 1: I sleep on. That's right, So I'm over in Missus
Speaker 1: Taylor's position in Phil's bed.
Speaker 2: You know what I read once is that, uh, you
Speaker 2: like there's like protector instinct which is often like associated
Speaker 2: with males that they sleep closest to the door to
Speaker 2: suss out any threats coming in.
Speaker 1: Not me neither.
Speaker 2: Well, it depends what door, which door threats coming in?
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I'm closer to Yeah, you're right, because
Speaker 1: I'm closer to the to the outdoor that goes out
Speaker 1: to our outside. So yeah, I'm there to absorb any threat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I and I got the Missus closer to the
Speaker 1: escape and to the inside of the house. So you're right,
Speaker 1: that's really good.
Speaker 2: You think that's like what happened when you get.
Speaker 1: Never consciously thought about that. No, but if we were,
Speaker 1: if I was with my wife in this hotel, you'd
Speaker 1: sleep on that side. I'd have missus well, you know
Speaker 1: what what should be Missus Vanella. I'd have Missus Vanilla
Speaker 1: right over here where Miss Taylor's spot is, and that
Speaker 1: would be over there by the door, ready to duet.
Speaker 1: Some drunk like chili comes in or something. Yeah, his ass. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're out on Live too right now. And Spencer took
Speaker 1: advantage of the of the morning and he went out
Speaker 1: rock counting. Spencer, can you share with people about your
Speaker 1: special rock?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a piece of wonderstone. It's only found in
Speaker 2: a few states and then a handful of other places
Speaker 2: in the world. It's just very colorful, lots of stripes on.
Speaker 1: It, beautiful purples and pinks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this came from a place that has rocks of
Speaker 2: all colors, greens, yellows, oranges, reds.
Speaker 1: What caused the coloration? Do we know?
Speaker 2: Almost? Like any cool rock that you find, you can
Speaker 2: assign it to, like volcanic activity and water. The specifics
Speaker 2: of it, I can't tell you, but like all the
Speaker 2: cool rocks, volcanoes and water.
Speaker 1: So much money worth of cool rocks you think you have? Now?
Speaker 2: I don't have anything that's like crazy valuable. Maybe if
Speaker 2: you were like interested in landscaping something, you could come
Speaker 2: into my garage and you'd pay me by the pound.
Speaker 1: But what's this worth?
Speaker 2: Nothing? Nothing, It's it's not worth enough for me, maybe
Speaker 2: like a dollar, right, but to me that's worth ten dollars.
Speaker 1: Sure, it's worth about six to me, okay.
Speaker 2: And I don't have any rocks from Nevada, so then
Speaker 2: it's yeah, you know, it's like a twenty dollars rock.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, I got you. I found myself a minute
Speaker 1: ago in the awkward position of needing to explain to
Speaker 1: Spencer that there's only three kinds of rocks which you
Speaker 1: think of rock Hound would have know this? Yeah? Did
Speaker 1: you think it was? I did?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You did? You? Did you feel awkward? While I was?
Speaker 1: It was awkward?
Speaker 4: I was trying to give him the second one without
Speaker 4: saying the whole word I was going to.
Speaker 1: Here is I was talking about how he's like such
Speaker 1: a expert rock hounder and like real geologists and everything,
Speaker 1: and then winds up you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: You know my favorite, my favorite subject, Like if you're
Speaker 4: riding down the road with me in Arkansas, I talk
Speaker 4: about the orogeny of the Ozark and Washington Mountains. I've
Speaker 4: done it on this podcast. I think the first time
Speaker 4: was on Meeting your podcast.
Speaker 1: I talked about it.
Speaker 4: The word orogeny means mountain building.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like it means something totally different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of throws people off, but it's like
Speaker 4: the genesis of mountains.
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't use that word and feels bad. It's risky.
Speaker 1: Clay can you can you can? You? You've been mentioned
Speaker 1: lately you're hot on getting a new pet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I've I've always loved timber, rattlesnakes. My dad
Speaker 4: planted that love in me from a kid. If we
Speaker 4: found a rattlesnake while out in the woods, it was
Speaker 4: a big day and we didn't kill them.
Speaker 1: We just liked them.
Speaker 4: And recently on the bear grease podcast. We did a
Speaker 4: we did a series, or we did apie podcast called
Speaker 4: the Cobra Scare. So we were talking a lot about
Speaker 4: cobras and venomous snakes. And on the last week, I
Speaker 4: haven't listened to that yet, but I've been I was.
Speaker 4: I'm aware of but I haven't listened. Yeah, why is it
Speaker 4: about cobra? You know what I mean, Cobra's from another content? Well,
Speaker 4: is it because people refer to timber ratlers as cobra?
Speaker 1: It hasn't.
Speaker 4: It has nothing to do with timber ratlers. I'll give
Speaker 4: you the elevator Cobra's Scare podcast is about. It was
Speaker 4: the Great Cobra Scare of nineteen fifty three in the
Speaker 4: town of Springfield, Missouri, oh basically, mysteriously around on August fifteenth,
Speaker 4: nineteen fifty three, an Indian monocled cobra was killed in
Speaker 4: downtown Springfield and basically, over the course of six weeks
Speaker 4: they killed twelve Indian cobras.
Speaker 1: And it became this big I keep seeing you have
Speaker 1: all these pictures of people's snakes, and I wasn't putting
Speaker 1: it together.
Speaker 4: Well, it just yeah, where did the come from? Well,
Speaker 4: I mean, should should I tell I think to the podcast.
Speaker 1: It was a It was.
Speaker 4: A mystery for thirty five years until nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 4: Li lies, venom and deception.
Speaker 2: That's good fodder for Baker.
Speaker 4: Did anybody get bit? Nobody got bit? But there's still there.
Speaker 4: There's one surviving cobra that's pickled in a jar at
Speaker 4: Drury University, which happened to also be where Bob Barker,
Speaker 4: the Price is Riot, went to college. And I went
Speaker 4: to Drew University and saw the cobra and the jar.
Speaker 4: It's been there for seventy years. Made national news, it
Speaker 4: was in Life magazine. It was called the Great Cobra
Speaker 4: Scare of nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 1: Bob Barker was a big animal rights actor.
Speaker 4: Yeah I know, yeah, and and he was.
Speaker 1: He was the one that was always promoting the sexual
Speaker 1: mutilation of pets.
Speaker 2: And that's how I would have ended trivia if he
Speaker 2: hadn't already taken that one. Otherwise I'd say, Spae and
Speaker 2: Newdy your pets and said him say, the only game
Speaker 2: show where conservation always wins.
Speaker 1: So I took be a mean to catch that. I
Speaker 1: got you.
Speaker 4: So so we just got We just got talking about
Speaker 4: cobra's or talking about venom of snakes and how is
Speaker 4: it a two parter? It's one partner man, just knock
Speaker 4: it out of the park and one. But what's cool
Speaker 4: is I interviewed my neighbor who happens to have been
Speaker 4: bit by a Egyptian banded cobra, and I interviewed him
Speaker 4: about being what it's like to be bit by cobra,
Speaker 4: which is pretty interesting, And yeah, it's a very fun episode.
Speaker 2: How do you get bit?
Speaker 4: It was his it was his pet and he he
Speaker 4: was reaching in cleaning the cage. He's been bit over
Speaker 4: twenty Venomas snakes and he's eighty two years old, Like.
Speaker 1: Oh man, at this point, he's got to be just
Speaker 1: kind of asking for it.
Speaker 4: Well, this was all in his his career was basically
Speaker 4: a side show at carnivals and he was bit bo
Speaker 4: over twenty Venomas snakes. He only took an a venom
Speaker 4: two times, got it.
Speaker 1: So he's he's he never tried to get bit, but
Speaker 1: just that much exposure. Yeah, he just got bit. Years ago,
Speaker 1: we had on the show the entomologist Justin Schmidt, and
Speaker 1: he had subjected himself to being bit by all the
Speaker 1: insects bugs and you know everything. And he had developed
Speaker 1: this Schmidt Pain Index MM to scale the severity of insects, stings, bites,
Speaker 1: and stains, you know, and he had put the bullet
Speaker 1: ant at the highest. This individual you're talking about would
Speaker 1: be well suited to develop a sort of yeah scale
Speaker 1: he when you're around, to rank the experiences when you're
Speaker 1: around mister Fred, like he he kind of feels like
Speaker 1: he's an amateur. And he refers to these guys that
Speaker 1: have been bitten like hundreds of times, like they're his heroes.
Speaker 1: Like he's like, do you know Bill Hass the Florida
Speaker 1: sar Entropia. There's a word for a place where there's serpents.
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I never heard of serpentarium. Serpentarium.
Speaker 4: He's like, man, he's been bit one hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: times by Cobra's even got bit by a king kobra.
Speaker 4: Like he just kind of nerves out about people that
Speaker 4: have gotten bit a bunch, but he he has these
Speaker 4: wild stories. Man, he would get bit. And he he's
Speaker 4: kind of like an anti authoritarian guy, like he really
Speaker 4: doesn't want to submit to any kind of any any
Speaker 4: kind of like man made authority that this kind of
Speaker 4: way it feels.
Speaker 1: And so he would go.
Speaker 4: To a hospital and sit in the waiting room after
Speaker 4: he got bit, but not check himself in just in
Speaker 4: case he did start to close.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so he only.
Speaker 4: Got bit, only got bit twice, all right, I mean
Speaker 4: he only took anavenum twice. But the story is not
Speaker 4: about mister Fred. He was just my cobra expert. And
Speaker 4: then the whole story was about the cobra scare. I
Speaker 4: interviewed a guy that was a kid when it happened,
Speaker 4: and I interviewed a guy that was that has a
Speaker 4: brewery in Springfield right now where they have a beer
Speaker 4: called Cobra Scare. So that so Springfield's kind of latching
Speaker 4: onto this identity cobra scare. So that in turn got
Speaker 4: me just talking about venomus snakes. And had a guy
Speaker 4: from brad Birchfield, a guy I know from Arkansas that's
Speaker 4: a big He calls himself a herpa culturalist. He's not
Speaker 4: a herpetologist. He breeds snakes, doesn't breed him. He just
Speaker 4: has them just he's a snake expert. But he's not
Speaker 4: an academic and he doesn't do it for a living. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he brought a big timber rattler, a big diamondback,
Speaker 4: and a big bucket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had him in five gallon buckets. Man, there's
Speaker 1: got no worse smell. It's a sealed up five gallon bucket.
Speaker 1: When you open it up.
Speaker 4: And there he is, it's they have they have a
Speaker 4: but I mean he does keep them in those buckets.
Speaker 4: Those are just the his totes. He interesting story. You
Speaker 4: like this, the diamondback that he has, he he it's
Speaker 4: it's legal to take him out of the wild. He
Speaker 4: took this one out of the wild fifteen years ago
Speaker 4: and it was already an adult, big snake.
Speaker 1: He fed it like lab rats, or tried to.
Speaker 4: Feed it lab rats for like six months after he
Speaker 4: caught it, and it wouldn't eat like wild game. He finally,
Speaker 4: kind of in desperation, threw a dead gray squirrel in
Speaker 4: there spam.
Speaker 1: It only eats gray squirrels.
Speaker 4: So I want to get a timber ratley all that
Speaker 4: to say, I think it would be a very very
Speaker 4: nice addition to the office of a big, beautiful terrarium
Speaker 4: with a big, giant timber rattler.
Speaker 1: Just bored out of his mind.
Speaker 4: Well, now that that's an interesting thing to say. They're
Speaker 4: sitting wait predators. Man, A rattlesnake would love to do
Speaker 4: nothing more than just to sit there his whole life
Speaker 4: and have squirrels running raped by him all day long.
Speaker 2: Clay said, the last time that snake ate was in October.
Speaker 1: Yeah, huh.
Speaker 4: They very good, good pets, like feed him just I
Speaker 4: mean he tries. He offers him food all the time,
Speaker 4: but most of the time they don't even eat it.
Speaker 2: Have you informed your wife of this plan?
Speaker 4: We can't tell her. Yeah, okay, we got to keep
Speaker 4: this on the d L.
Speaker 1: She don't want to know about it. Yeah, I could
Speaker 1: see that. One of the best books about the Vietnam War,
Speaker 1: it's called Dispatches. Have you ever seen Stanley Kubrick's uh,
Speaker 1: Full Metal Jacket? Full Metal Jacket?
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: Steve is always very disappointed in me anytime he says,
Speaker 4: never seen Full Metal Jacket.
Speaker 1: I never have. I never have.
Speaker 2: I haven't either.
Speaker 1: I've seen like five movies in my life. I don't
Speaker 1: really understand. We had the same because that's what made
Speaker 1: that guy's whole yeah career. Yeah, anyways, if you were
Speaker 1: to watch Full Metal Jacket, most of the dialogue and
Speaker 1: Full Metal Jacket, like how do you shoot the women
Speaker 1: and children? You just don't lead him as much. All
Speaker 1: the dialogue from Full Metal Jacket is from Dispatches, and
Speaker 1: Dispatches was written by a guy named Michael hare H
Speaker 1: E r R. He was like a college kid from
Speaker 1: Berkeley and during the Vietnam War, Rolling I think it
Speaker 1: was Rolling Stone or Esquire, I can't remember which. Spence
Speaker 1: Pob'll find out in Hurry sent him to cover the
Speaker 1: Vietnam War. And most people that would go cover the
Speaker 1: Vietnam War would go and they'd want to talk to
Speaker 1: General Westmoreland and they'd talk about the strategy, and they'd
Speaker 1: talk about this many kia and you know this many
Speaker 1: pounds of munitions and right. But Michael Harritis went and
Speaker 1: hung out with the grunts and it kind of killed him.
Speaker 1: Like his book that he wrote about is called Dispatches.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like it's a masterpiece of war reporting.
Speaker 1: But he never really he didn't really do anything after that.
Speaker 1: In the book Dispatches, he even talks about coming home
Speaker 1: and having a hard time getting He has a very
Speaker 1: hard time reintegrating into society. And he came from like
Speaker 1: very left wing circles and when he came home, people
Speaker 1: would want would expect him to talk about how how
Speaker 1: bad it was, but he would he was hung up
Speaker 1: on how beautiful it was, like it kind of ruined
Speaker 1: him anyways. In this book, he describes an odor as
Speaker 1: smelling like snakes left too long. I'm in a jar
Speaker 1: and that's always stuck with me. Hm hmmm. So what
Speaker 1: that's when your buddy pulled that snake out of that bucket.
Speaker 1: It made me think of dispatches. Mhm.
Speaker 2: Esquire. This conversation with Steve has now become so frequent
Speaker 2: about like have you seen this thing that he's now
Speaker 2: had to specifically categorize when it's a recommendation versus just
Speaker 2: like have you seen this thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was being very clear, Yes you know
Speaker 2: this isn't a recommendation, but.
Speaker 1: Uh, how will you find your timber ratler?
Speaker 4: Well, so the legality of it is that there's I mean,
Speaker 4: first of all, I I love rattlesnakes.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 4: I have not recreationally killed a snake in decades. If
Speaker 4: I find one, I don't kill it. I don't have
Speaker 4: you pegged as a snake.
Speaker 1: Heade, Well, I just want to say that because it.
Speaker 4: I talked to my buddy Brad Birchfield, who loves snakes
Speaker 4: more than anybody I've ever been around, and I said,
Speaker 4: what would the temperature be of the planet for me
Speaker 4: to take a timber rattler out of the wild and
Speaker 4: let it be my snake? I said, would you feel
Speaker 4: bad if I did that? And he was like no,
Speaker 4: he said, he said, you know people, you know, there's
Speaker 4: going to be some guys on sure that are going
Speaker 4: to give you grief about it. But he said, timber
Speaker 4: rattlers in our region are doing well. They're everywhere there,
Speaker 4: So I would that's what would make it for me.
Speaker 4: Like I don't want to order one out of a
Speaker 4: magazine you want to, I want to. I want to
Speaker 4: take it out of the wild. I do, and and
Speaker 4: I have a pretty good I have a philosophy that's
Speaker 4: based upon a book I read called evidence based Horsemanship
Speaker 4: about how we anthropomorphize all almost all animals, and like
Speaker 4: you would think that that a life of confinement for
Speaker 4: a snake would somehow be negative for the snake or
Speaker 4: affect tis psychology, and.
Speaker 1: It's just that's just hogwash, Like that snake will have the.
Speaker 4: Best life in the world. But minus you're talking right now.
Speaker 4: You're talking right now, minus breeding. What you're saying right
Speaker 4: now is as much nonsense as what I'm saying. This
Speaker 4: is unknowable.
Speaker 1: Well, there are people trying to find a way to
Speaker 1: measure animal happiness.
Speaker 4: Dude, you red space horsemanship? Is this.
Speaker 1: You horse? And then act like dismayed that I haven't Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well no, I would never come to you dismayed that
Speaker 1: you haven't read a specialty text when I'm talking about
Speaker 1: stuff that's part of the American cannon. Yeah, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not mad. I'm not mad that you didn't read Dispatches.
Speaker 1: I'm bewildered that you haven't seen full metal Jacket. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm bewildered. It's just like the American cannon. Like, you're
Speaker 1: not going to understand America, right, I can't wait to
Speaker 1: understand America. So well, it's a hard job, you know,
Speaker 1: understanding America and watching the Italian Westerns.
Speaker 4: The whole premise of Evidence based Horsemanship is written by
Speaker 4: a neurologist and a horse trainer. The neurologist was also
Speaker 4: a big horse guy, and basically they have done extensive
Speaker 4: testing and I won't be able to do the book
Speaker 4: Just Justice. It's been fifteen years since I read it.
Speaker 4: But basically, this idea that a horse likes you or
Speaker 4: doesn't like you is just not true. They don't have
Speaker 4: a space in their brain to like you or not
Speaker 4: like you.
Speaker 2: You don't think you have mules that like you, None
Speaker 2: of them ever.
Speaker 4: They speak one language when they walk up to you,
Speaker 4: that is who is in charge, dominance and submission. They
Speaker 4: speak one language. And they've done all this neurological testing
Speaker 4: and basically the biggest motor of the brain of an
Speaker 4: equine animal is geared hords towards controlling this.
Speaker 1: Huge body that they have.
Speaker 4: What makes a human a human, All the stuff that
Speaker 4: makes a human a human happens in this huge frontal lobe,
Speaker 4: like if you were just look at like animal brains,
Speaker 4: humans have this unusually large frontal lobe, and that's where
Speaker 4: all the stuff that makes us human happens, like empathy,
Speaker 4: Like you know, they can hook brain sensors up, and
Speaker 4: if I go buy chili a coffee, you know this
Speaker 4: altruistic moment, like that front part lights up and love, altruism,
Speaker 4: all you know, empathy, compassion, all these things horse just
Speaker 4: doesn't have that they have a very small frontal lobe
Speaker 4: for how big they are. And so the idea that
Speaker 4: your horse likes you or doesn't like you is just
Speaker 4: is just blatantly not possible. And so that snake he does,
Speaker 4: he's just he'll be as happy as he can be
Speaker 4: in the global headquarters.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I want to clarify a couple points. I'm not
Speaker 1: worried about I'm not like it's gonna be up at
Speaker 1: night worrying about how happy the snake is.
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying, yeah, maybe I'm maybe I'm like
Speaker 4: up already a little defensive, defensive.
Speaker 1: I'm worried about I'm not worried about population that you're
Speaker 1: you're keeping a that you pulling a timber ratler out
Speaker 1: of the reproductive pool of of northern Arkansas is going
Speaker 1: to have population level impact on the timber ratler. Get
Speaker 1: worried about that. I'm not worried about that. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be bored. I don't really know, but there.
Speaker 4: Are ways talk about all the stuff he's gonna see
Speaker 4: out that glass case.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah he might be. He might just be enthralled.
Speaker 4: I will have to get a venomous snake permit from
Speaker 4: the Arkansas game and fish.
Speaker 1: To go collect it. Yeah, do you have a good
Speaker 1: place to go look for one? I mean yes, I do.
Speaker 1: I know where to find him.
Speaker 6: Is there like a specific one that you're looking for,
Speaker 6: Like does it have to speak to you? Or like
Speaker 6: what what do you your first one you see? You're like, yep,
Speaker 6: that's mine.
Speaker 4: No, I would like to find a bigger one. Last year,
Speaker 4: last October me and when I was riding my mule,
Speaker 4: I found the biggest wild snake that I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: But I wasn't in the market for a rattlesnake at
Speaker 4: the time. I wish I could catch that one. I
Speaker 4: actually talked to Brad say could I go back to
Speaker 4: that same ridge and find that snake again? About where
Speaker 4: he was? And he didn't think I could. Probably, Oh,
Speaker 4: like a specific snake.
Speaker 1: Like your odds of success in capturing that one would
Speaker 1: be less. Yeah. Now, what if someone called you and
Speaker 1: said I got a big one. I got a big
Speaker 1: one in my yard.
Speaker 4: I think I think what make would make it valuable
Speaker 4: to me is that I knew right where that snake
Speaker 4: lived and I picked him up brought him home.
Speaker 1: I think that's what would make it valuable. Just like
Speaker 1: Brent Reeves trying to sell pool or something isn't of
Speaker 1: any interest to you.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so. I want to know where
Speaker 4: he lived. I mean, I want to get him from
Speaker 4: a specific place.
Speaker 1: So you could know what he's meaning.
Speaker 4: It's it's in the same vein of Brent Reeves trying
Speaker 4: to sell me a tree and walker coon dog all
Speaker 4: the time that I had nothing to do with, like
Speaker 4: a started dog.
Speaker 1: It's like not interested, Brent.
Speaker 2: We recently acquired a frog, and I have determined he's happy.
Speaker 1: I think he's happy. I think he likes you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he enjoys his living arrangement.
Speaker 1: I gotta offered correction. I'm moving on from this. We're
Speaker 1: moving news items.
Speaker 3: Is this what a good correction or a bad direction?
Speaker 1: Steve? Just where I'm wrong. It's just where I can
Speaker 1: routinely make mistakes. Gotcha, No, this is the one where
Speaker 1: the guy that wrote in is correct. I stand corrected.
Speaker 1: And it's just a common mistake I made because I
Speaker 1: know it's the pronunciation of Theodore Roosevelt. Well, now, how
Speaker 1: often do you go Roosevelt?
Speaker 2: Never? You're the only one I know I know.
Speaker 1: And it's like it's like I recognize it's I don't
Speaker 1: know why I say both. I just get lazy, and
Speaker 1: this guy's having a little connection about it.
Speaker 2: I thought the Roosevelt was like you being pretentious though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was as cows thing.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like this. I I I just said if
Speaker 1: I could have done a test, that would have passed test.
Speaker 1: But I just know there's two ways, and one of
Speaker 1: them is wrong. I sometimes screw up. One is wrong.
Speaker 1: But there's a letter. This guy, this, this guy that
Speaker 1: wrote in sends a letter. It's from Theodore himself. I think,
Speaker 1: is it? Yeah, from Theodore himself right into a guy.
Speaker 1: As for my name, it is pronounced as if it
Speaker 1: was spelled, and he spells our r O S A
Speaker 1: V E L T Roosevelt. That is in three syllables,
Speaker 1: the first syllable as if it was rose.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna change.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to never make that mistake again. Oh oh,
Speaker 1: Theodore Roosevelt guy wrote in hearkening back to episode five
Speaker 1: thirty eight, not a correction, but just a deeply annoyed
Speaker 1: in five thirty eight? What what like? What about episode?
Speaker 1: Do we on the count is all off? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Because we have these bonus episodes that have been coming out.
Speaker 3: We're at this. This is gonna be around five point
Speaker 3: fifty oh around.
Speaker 1: Not terribly long ago, we covered a Musky manifesto where
Speaker 1: a kid wrote in a Musky manifesto telling us a
Speaker 1: story about how he was robbed of his grandpa was
Speaker 1: robbed of the world rescored muskie and talking about this,
Speaker 1: I disparaged the musky community. Guy wrote in Steve. This
Speaker 1: is him talking Steve's knowledge of musky biology and most
Speaker 1: concerning his take on quote, the musky community is so
Speaker 1: underinformed that it's frightful. I thought it could be an
Speaker 1: April fool's joke.
Speaker 3: You're scaring this person.
Speaker 1: That's a big deal, he says. He goes on. By
Speaker 1: all accounts, I'm a fervent member of the muskie community
Speaker 1: for twenty five years in counting, and I'm nothing like
Speaker 1: what he described. Huh. There are definitely bad apples, like
Speaker 1: with any group. But for goodness sake, please don't condemn
Speaker 1: a whole group based on the vocal absurd minority. As
Speaker 1: for the claimed and now disqualified IGF a record seventy
Speaker 1: two pound musky, no I read that sentence. I put
Speaker 1: the emphasis on the wrong salable it should have been.
Speaker 1: Did he just say salabil? It is my dad's favorite Joel? Gotcha? Gotcha?
Speaker 1: I put the emphasis on the wrong salable.
Speaker 2: You don't get it?
Speaker 1: I do? I do? Is that good? I had to
Speaker 1: just reat it. This gentleman has a sense. It's not
Speaker 1: quite a sentence typical message. He says it. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to end. I don't know how to you know,
Speaker 1: how you use vocal intonation. As for the claimed and
Speaker 1: now disqualified IGF a record seventy two pound muskie, it's period.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to read the sentence. I go
Speaker 1: into the sentence like I'm going to encounter a comma.
Speaker 1: But it's more like he's saying like, as for the
Speaker 1: claimed in disqualified, I g f a record setting two
Speaker 1: pound muskie. Comma. Well, no, it's period, right. I don't
Speaker 1: think I have left. I get to the end. I
Speaker 1: get to the end of the sentence, and I'm and
Speaker 1: I feel like the carp has been pulled out from
Speaker 1: the rug has been pulled out from under me. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Because I end on a
Speaker 1: m hmm, kind of like a little cliffhanger, But there's
Speaker 1: nothing there yeah, Jesus got a period. There's not another
Speaker 1: sentence after that.
Speaker 2: Well, and there's no sense sense and he's a double space,
Speaker 2: he double.
Speaker 1: Spaces at why are you giving this guy at the time, Well,
Speaker 1: because he's got a valid point, but to set im
Speaker 1: going to set the record that he double spaces, which
Speaker 1: leads to an extra like as a reader, I'm not
Speaker 1: only coming up against the period, right mm hmm, which
Speaker 1: is a hard stop. This a little too accentuated by
Speaker 1: a double space. Which no, no, no.
Speaker 3: That this guy's a slacker who was just used to
Speaker 3: filling out his college papers by double spacing after periods.
Speaker 2: I thought that was like for folks who used typewriters,
Speaker 2: because double space made a period.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we don't use typewriters anymore.
Speaker 1: Space. As for the claim to now disqualified IGFA record
Speaker 1: seventy two pound muskies. So here's what happened. A kid
Speaker 1: wrote us in wrote into us his grandfather caught a
Speaker 1: giant musky. Now he had all this documentation that he
Speaker 1: presented to us, and this little manifesto is a thick
Speaker 1: packet of printed out materials. But in the end they
Speaker 1: released the muskie, and according to IGFA rules, a muskie
Speaker 1: must be weighed on dry land, right, they could be wet.
Speaker 1: You gotta weigh on land. You can't weigh in the boat,
Speaker 1: does it. Let's say you're on a large ship. Mm hmm,
Speaker 1: what are they I mean, I'm though, like expert in
Speaker 1: weights and measures, but what on a boat makes a Yeah?
Speaker 1: Makes a weight not work like you're on a buoyant.
Speaker 1: Let's say you're on a buoyant. This is a question
Speaker 1: for people who are good at physics.
Speaker 4: Would it not be the bounce? Like imagine if the
Speaker 4: boat was bouncing and then the and the fish was
Speaker 4: pulling hard and you just pulled the greatest way, but
Speaker 4: it was you know, at the trough of a wave
Speaker 4: where the fish kind of the momentum of.
Speaker 1: The fish pulled down.
Speaker 4: That's probably what they're calculating for.
Speaker 1: A I know this something that floats. If it floats,
Speaker 1: that means it weighs less than the amount of water
Speaker 1: it displaces. That's the definition of floating. Did you learn
Speaker 1: that in full metal jacket? No, I'm just throwing that
Speaker 1: in there to make it seem like what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say next is like well informed, that has nothing to
Speaker 1: do what I'm gonna say next, But it's the interesting
Speaker 1: idea like this is a question for any physicists out
Speaker 1: there and thinking of the principles of a scale, Like
Speaker 1: the fish is already in the boat before you put
Speaker 1: it on the scale, so presumably like you've dropped. Just
Speaker 1: when you take a fish on board, you're now displacing
Speaker 1: more water, right, you have to be. You take a
Speaker 1: fish on board, you've now you're displacing more water. You've dropped, However,
Speaker 1: imperceptibly the vessel has yeah, okay, gone lower, but it's
Speaker 1: already on board, So when you put it on a scale,
Speaker 1: the damage is done, so to speak with the buoyancy.
Speaker 1: But I'm wondering if there's any world in which you
Speaker 1: can't get an accurate weight on something while floating because
Speaker 1: the weight is somehow being the This is high level physics.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that it is. I want I say
Speaker 1: it's not. You don't think it's high level. It's low level,
Speaker 1: easy to understand.
Speaker 3: You can't even if you can't use your words to
Speaker 3: describe it. We all know what you're getting at.
Speaker 1: Well. No, no, I think there's like black holes, black holes,
Speaker 1: and then above that incomplexity would be this issue I'm
Speaker 1: trying to talk about interesting. You know, it's a little
Speaker 1: bit more than yeah, yeah, a little bit more complicated
Speaker 1: than a black hole. So it all just has to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 4: The boat would never be completely still, and there would
Speaker 4: be there the boat would be riding the waves up
Speaker 4: and down.
Speaker 1: That could throw off a scale.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you took it to an extreme scale, like
Speaker 2: imagine that bowl was just constantly going back and forth,
Speaker 2: you'd never get an accurate.
Speaker 3: Like hold something heavy in your hands and then jump
Speaker 3: up in the air. It immediately you feel lightness and
Speaker 3: when you come back down, you know, yeah, it's easy
Speaker 3: to grasp.
Speaker 1: Okay, so fills on the side of the IGFA clear.
Speaker 1: But that's not this guy's problem. Okay, this guy says, no,
Speaker 1: this is this is harsh, but okay. He says, the
Speaker 1: fish actually had zero documentation of its actual weight or length.
Speaker 1: They put it on a scale and they later had
Speaker 1: the scale calibrated, but it was on a boat. Here's
Speaker 1: where his real bone to pick happens. No photos are
Speaker 1: here's another thing, no photos or independent witnesses verifying its size.
Speaker 1: Haters gonna hate man. Probably that's problematic. Here's the one
Speaker 1: thing he says, it really does really impact me. Okay, theoretically,
Speaker 1: I accept the water thing weighing on the water. I
Speaker 1: accept there's no impartial observers. It's only their party. Okay.
Speaker 1: He kind of justified the photography and all that, And
Speaker 1: they did take a number of pictures of the fish
Speaker 1: to scale with certain objects that could be checked later,
Speaker 1: beer cans and other things.
Speaker 2: The boat, Right, that was just a guess. I don't.
Speaker 1: The guy says this though. Here's where his thing hangs up.
Speaker 1: The biggest muskie ever recorded to sixty one pounds, So
Speaker 1: he's like seventy two huh, right, that is a big
Speaker 1: it is They realized that a seventy two pound muskie
Speaker 1: would be the equivalent of a five hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: one inch typical bull elk, eighteen percent bigger than anything
Speaker 1: that has ever been legitimately measured and documented. Fish records
Speaker 1: like go like hundreds of years, and they advanced by
Speaker 1: with the they advanced by ounces. Mm hmm. Right. I
Speaker 1: only recently learned that the biggest bass ever caught was
Speaker 1: recently tied by a bass in Japan. And the IGFA
Speaker 1: accepts the tie, but right down to the right down
Speaker 1: to the ounce right, that's how like slowly this thing advances.
Speaker 1: And also this guy, this, this guy and his grandpa
Speaker 1: blow it out of the water by eleven pounds. That
Speaker 1: sticks with me. That's interesting. Yeah, that sticks with me.
Speaker 4: You know, it seems more plausible though, that a fish
Speaker 4: would be able to break that kind of record, though, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: if all of a sudden, there's never been a five
Speaker 4: hundred inch free range bull elk ever killed, and then
Speaker 4: all of a sudden there is one, and it would
Speaker 4: be it's kind of like the top end of the
Speaker 4: species in the wild, you see it. I know it's
Speaker 4: the exact same thing, but it feels like there could
Speaker 4: be a fish that just was way bigger than anything
Speaker 4: we never caught it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little more believable. And Frank Mundas's disqualified world largest,
Speaker 1: world's largest fish ever caught on rod and reel, would
Speaker 1: have stopped the past record.
Speaker 2: What it was fish, Well, it was a couple just to.
Speaker 1: Give you a sense of how big this could move.
Speaker 1: He won time harpooned a great white there was four
Speaker 1: thousand some pounds, Okay, then later went out and caught
Speaker 1: a giant not as big as the one he harpooned
Speaker 1: but he could just likely caught that. Everybody's like, wow,
Speaker 1: you harpooned it, so don't count. He's like, okay, I'll
Speaker 1: catch on rod and reel went out and caught up
Speaker 1: and then caught of thousands of pounds weight great white.
Speaker 1: But they handed the rod off. Oh he hooked it,
Speaker 1: gave the rod to his body so he could go
Speaker 1: take the wheel, or vice versa. I can't remember which
Speaker 1: igfa threw it out. It would be the biggest fish
Speaker 1: ever caught on roden reel, by a way bigger bracket
Speaker 1: than what this individual right here is pointing out. Now,
Speaker 1: the real problem here is that Krin's not here. Because
Speaker 1: this person goes on to say, Steve really needs to
Speaker 1: take just a few to brush up on his musky biology,
Speaker 1: and the history of faked musky records is actually fascinating.
Speaker 1: He should read a compendium Musky angling history by Larry
Speaker 1: ram Sell. You really should do a musky podcast with
Speaker 1: a musky expert. Actually, Larry Ramsell might make a good
Speaker 1: podcast guest. He's probably forgotten more about muskies than most
Speaker 1: musky experts ever knew, but he's still a wealth of knowledge.
Speaker 1: Meaning even though he's think about the claim, take the
Speaker 1: second greatest musky expert ever and measure his knowledge and
Speaker 1: in bits of information. Larry has forgotten more bits about
Speaker 1: muskies than that individual ever knew. Yet, in spite of
Speaker 1: having forgotten that vast body of material, he still knows
Speaker 1: more than number two.
Speaker 4: Are you buying that? I mean, are you making fun
Speaker 4: of that claim?
Speaker 1: No, it's just a It seems an extremely knowledgeable individual
Speaker 1: with that information.
Speaker 4: Now you, I mean, why don't you Why don't you
Speaker 4: have this kid and his grandpa on and this musky
Speaker 4: biologist on the same head to head like family feud
Speaker 4: episode of Meat Eater.
Speaker 1: That's what I would like to do. That's why you're here, Claire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can you make a note of that film?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Family Mouskie Podcast.
Speaker 1: Well I would. This is this is what we'll do.
Speaker 1: This is ant like a game show. This is no,
Speaker 1: it's just a conversation. This is an invitation too, And
Speaker 1: this is not dependent on both like either one of
Speaker 1: these things like that. Well, No, this is an imitation
Speaker 1: for Larry Ramsell to come on and talk about We'll
Speaker 1: talk about muskies, muskie records, the history of fraudulent muskies,
Speaker 1: the musky community. Yeah, muskies and I'll point out that
Speaker 1: my maternal grandfather was an avid Musky angler, So you
Speaker 1: got some skin in the game. Skin in the game.
Speaker 4: You know when I run across stuff like this that
Speaker 4: there's really no way to know for sure. I want
Speaker 4: to look the guy in the eyes and have him
Speaker 4: tell me the story. Like that's my go to. It's like,
Speaker 4: come here, tell me that story. Me just just give
Speaker 4: them and then then I can. It's like just reading
Speaker 4: something deep.
Speaker 1: Did you ditch on? Yeah, of course I did. You
Speaker 1: never made that face at me?
Speaker 4: Well, I was making that face in the back.
Speaker 1: It's like for real. So yeah, if we can get
Speaker 1: Larry Ramsell to come on the show, and it'd be
Speaker 1: great to have Larry come on along with the kid
Speaker 1: who wrote the Musky.
Speaker 4: Manifesto, Yeah, that would be great. He'd do it, that kid,
Speaker 4: he's passionate.
Speaker 2: You should uh before that, though, go read Pat Dirkins
Speaker 2: articles called Mobsters, Arson and Photogrammetry, the World Record Musky
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories, and he talks about Larry in that article
Speaker 2: on the Meat Eater dot com.
Speaker 1: I'm dying to him on and now the guy I
Speaker 1: hadn't gotten this far in his letter, he ends letter
Speaker 1: real nice. I feel bad about all.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say something mean, what is saying?
Speaker 1: He said? I look forward to hopefully odd syntax. I
Speaker 1: look forward to hopefully a correction or recantation, or maybe
Speaker 1: even an actual representative of the muskie community as a
Speaker 1: podcast guest. I think that I duke. This individual's name
Speaker 1: is Duke. Duke, I hear you. I will pursue having
Speaker 1: Larry Ramsell come on the show. Thank you, Duke to
Speaker 1: talk about it all. Joke inside. I appreciate your note.
Speaker 2: In Dirkin's article, he says Larry Ramsell of Hayward is
Speaker 2: the premiere historian of musky lore.
Speaker 1: Dude, So there's how old is he? I don't know.
Speaker 1: You try to find out that's too old to come on?
Speaker 1: Is he?
Speaker 2: He wrote a highly detailed book in nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 2: so that ten.
Speaker 1: He probably he was fifty.
Speaker 4: I bet he was in his mid late thirties when
Speaker 4: he wrote that. That's when most ambitious writers take off.
Speaker 3: Are seth or musky chet, you know, interested in this
Speaker 3: kind of stuff?
Speaker 1: Or do they just like yeah, they they can't come
Speaker 1: on the show as like a musky community expert.
Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't say expert, but representatives yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, they could come and listen. Even Seth even what
Speaker 1: are you finding?
Speaker 2: He appears to be old but ill old. Well, that
Speaker 2: looks like an old photo of him, and he looks
Speaker 2: like an old man in that old photo.
Speaker 1: Mmmm, damn it.
Speaker 4: I'd taken in two thousand and four. The guy's still alive,
Speaker 4: got a little spark left in him.
Speaker 1: Larry, we will fly you out. We will listen, Larry,
Speaker 1: this is this is like, this is. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: great service. We will fly you out, all expense paid
Speaker 1: trip to Bozeman, will put you up, we'll feed you.
Speaker 1: You'll come on the show and we'll talk musky lower.
Speaker 1: Speaking of muskies, let's move on to sturgeon. There's like
Speaker 1: a number of big news items going on right now
Speaker 1: with fish. Yeah, with fish. So we covered pretty heavily that.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of angst when the there was
Speaker 1: a push to list the Who could set this up
Speaker 1: for me? It's a complicated setup. Not me. The US
Speaker 1: Fish and Wildlife Service was doing a twelve month finding
Speaker 1: okay on whether or not the Lake sturgeon warranted listing
Speaker 1: under the Endangered Species Act okay, which was problematic to
Speaker 1: recovery efforts in Wisconsin. Now, if you are a sturgeon,
Speaker 1: an aspiring sturgeon fisherman, all your attention lies in Wisconsin
Speaker 1: where there's another there's a there's a number of uh
Speaker 1: waterways in Wisconsin where you can spear sturgeon through the ice.
Speaker 1: There's some that's governed on a quota where's there's like
Speaker 1: a general season opener and there's an opening day and
Speaker 1: there's a sturgeon quota, and the quota gets hit and
Speaker 1: it closes, and then there are some draw units in
Speaker 1: these in these other lakes there are draw units where
Speaker 1: can draw tag, and me and Yanni always put in
Speaker 1: every year we're building our bonus points for our sturgeon
Speaker 1: tags and the good lakes. So I'm acknowledging that I
Speaker 1: have a bias here. I have a conflict of interest
Speaker 1: as a reporter. Now, Wisconsin, while doing sturgeon very limited
Speaker 1: sturgeon harvest, has been very, very successful at sturgeon recovery.
Speaker 1: They're making a lot of good progress on putting sturgeon
Speaker 1: back in waters where they have been, where they were extirpated,
Speaker 1: and they're building this kind of like beautiful culture of
Speaker 1: locals and people who are very invested in the resource
Speaker 1: right very interested in sturgeon recovery, very bought into sturgeon.
Speaker 1: There's a culture around sturgeon spearing. It's a very celebrated fishery.
Speaker 1: It's a celebrated fish, okay. And they were worried about
Speaker 1: the ESA listing because if it got the ESA list,
Speaker 1: this system by which Wisconsin has been managing sturgeon very
Speaker 1: successfully with a great proven track record, would be upended,
Speaker 1: and the Feds would need to come in and say, hey,
Speaker 1: thanks for all the great work, but your whole cute
Speaker 1: little sturgeon season thing is done, okay. And in a
Speaker 1: case like that, what I fear happens when you in
Speaker 1: a case like that, what I fear happens is you
Speaker 1: take public goodwill and public sentiment and people rallying around
Speaker 1: a cause, and you turn it into something that is
Speaker 1: besides the fishery. It becomes like anger and frustration with
Speaker 1: federal overreach. And it doesn't always need to be federal
Speaker 1: because we're in we're We just left California yesterday. I
Speaker 1: spent a bunch of time with divers in California and
Speaker 1: they had a problem where the whole state had a
Speaker 1: closure on abalony. They went from having you know, they
Speaker 1: went from issuing whatever the hell was thirty thousand the
Speaker 1: abalony tags a year to zero. And people brought up, well,
Speaker 1: why don't we try two thousand abalony tags a year.
Speaker 1: Why don't we keep the harp, keep the fishery alive,
Speaker 1: keep the culture alive. Keep all these people who are
Speaker 1: like big a baloney advocates, right, keep them engaged just
Speaker 1: as a social play. Keep the culture of abalony diving
Speaker 1: alive because these are like big proponents for the resource.
Speaker 1: Gives the people incentive. There's people that celebrate, there's like
Speaker 1: a baloney festivals and all this stuff, right, like like
Speaker 1: pursue recovery, but maintain the culture. And they chose in
Speaker 1: this case to just like done.
Speaker 4: Abalony is a big muscle or clam, big mullusk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a big edible mullusk. So there was a
Speaker 1: lot of handwringing. There's a lot of anxiety in Wisconsin
Speaker 1: that they what they view to be the winning approach
Speaker 1: on sturgeon recovery would have been threatened. But and we
Speaker 1: reported on that a whole bunch, talked about that a
Speaker 1: whole bunch, and this just out. We at the US
Speaker 1: Fish and Wildlife Service are announcing our twelve month finding
Speaker 1: that Lake Sturgeon does not warrant listing under the Endangered
Speaker 1: Species Act. Our agency brought together a team of biologists
Speaker 1: to compile and examine the best available data and research
Speaker 1: into a species status assessment. We solicited data from Native
Speaker 1: nations and state agencies from across the species range and
Speaker 1: invited them to provide information necessary for the development of
Speaker 1: the SSA and to review the draft SSA report. Using
Speaker 1: the best available science to aform to inform our delisting determination,
Speaker 1: we found that the species is not at risk of
Speaker 1: extinction now or in the foreseeable future. We did not
Speaker 1: find any populations of Lake Surgeon that met the criteria
Speaker 1: for a distinct population segment. Our decision is a testament
Speaker 1: to the great collaborative conservation work being done with our
Speaker 1: partners from states, tribal nations, non governmental organizations, universities, and
Speaker 1: other federal agencies across the species range. Hi's great news.
Speaker 2: In comments Larry is eighty two years old.
Speaker 1: Exactly what I thought was.
Speaker 2: Hayward, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: We want to shoot him A note. No started out
Speaker 1: say something like, hey, I heard your big hot shot
Speaker 1: muskie community.
Speaker 2: I think he does have a website, though.
Speaker 3: You think he's still checking his emails.
Speaker 4: You know, I think I think one of the biggest
Speaker 4: plays in the success of the North American made of
Speaker 4: wildlife conservation has been incentivizing people through limited access to
Speaker 4: the resource, even if it's even if it's a little bit,
Speaker 4: that's powerful.
Speaker 1: I think I think you need to maintain it at
Speaker 1: all costs. Yeah, just well, let's take let's take a
Speaker 1: look at a couple examples.
Speaker 4: I feel like we're in a class. When he said that,
Speaker 4: it felt like he was a teacher. Well, that'll just
Speaker 4: start writing notes.
Speaker 1: Have only been recovered across I think twenty four maybe
Speaker 1: not even fourteen percent of their historic range. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we look and be like, Okay, if we're going to
Speaker 1: take a national perspective, elk should be an esa species.
Speaker 1: They're absent from their historic range Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Tennessee, Kentucky,
Speaker 1: West Virginia, Pennsylvania. No, no, no, no, I'm sure you have
Speaker 1: little pockets in some of those states, very small pockets
Speaker 1: in some of those states. But by any examination, LKSHB
Speaker 1: and eesa species, they're regionally extirpated across the majority of
Speaker 1: their range. But lo and behold, we hunt them where
Speaker 1: they're abundant, right, bighorn sheep. Now, there are states that
Speaker 1: issue small handfuls of big horn sheep tags. They're extinct
Speaker 1: across tons of their native range. But where you have
Speaker 1: a harvestable of small harvestable surplus, we still carry on
Speaker 1: the tradition of sheep hunting, which gives us like the
Speaker 1: Wild Sheep Society, like, which gives us sheep conservation groups
Speaker 1: because hunters that will never ever have a chance to
Speaker 1: hunt a sheep are sheep conservationists because they view it
Speaker 1: as this like part of the menagerie of big game
Speaker 1: animals in America that they might aspire to one day
Speaker 1: hunt for. If you strip that, you lose that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it becomes emblematic of something different. Yeah, pretty brilliant. Really.
Speaker 1: Oh it's a great system. Yeah. But I wrote in
Speaker 1: with a Johnny Cash album cover that I was unaware of.
Speaker 1: I saw that you need to put that on your
Speaker 1: social media. Well here's the deal, I keep say. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to bring it up anymore, but last I
Speaker 1: saw a couple fresh set eyes will find more Beans
Speaker 1: T shirts.
Speaker 4: Oh did you in Sacramento.
Speaker 1: At Sacramento show. I saw three people wearing fresh set
Speaker 1: eyes will Find More Beans t shirts. Now, there's a
Speaker 1: Johnny Cash album called.
Speaker 2: Look at Them Beans.
Speaker 1: I wonder at what point in his career that he
Speaker 1: had that now, but let's take a look. Could have
Speaker 1: been Probably was in the struggling years. Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to explain what I'm seeing on the cover. Now, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put this. I'll put this on social media. Basically,
Speaker 1: Johnny Cash is corroborating or stealing my saying. On this
Speaker 1: album cover, Johnny Cash is wearing a blue denim shirt.
Speaker 1: He has reclined on his back, using as a pillow
Speaker 1: a mountain of beans. He's reclining on a pile of
Speaker 1: pole beans. A young boy, maybe eight, wearing a plaid shirt,
Speaker 1: is laying on Johnny Cash's chest, his elbows resting on
Speaker 1: Johnny Cash's sternum upper abdomen, and the child is holding
Speaker 1: two more fistfuls of beans. Right, what I'm getting from
Speaker 1: the image is that Johnny Cash has found all these
Speaker 1: beans that he's laying on. But here's this young child
Speaker 1: representing a fresh set of eyes.
Speaker 3: I see it, by the way, I just looked it up.
Speaker 1: Here's the sun representing a fresh set of eyes, and
Speaker 1: what does the sun? And what does he have? Beans?
Speaker 1: More beans? Beans in his hand?
Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy five, The.
Speaker 1: Fresh set of eyes found more beans. I was one
Speaker 1: years old. What's the happening?
Speaker 2: You listened to song?
Speaker 1: No phill you mind playing a clip?
Speaker 3: You for copyright reasons?
Speaker 1: I do, No, you can play a clip. We're having
Speaker 1: a discussion about it.
Speaker 3: Oh that's true. Yeah, but you know YouTube doesn't care
Speaker 3: that we're having a discussion about can't you tell him? Now?
Speaker 2: Hey, look at that beans, and look at that corn,
Speaker 2: and I bet them watermelons must be three feet long. Man,
Speaker 2: look at them tomatoes, and look at them peas well.
Speaker 2: I know if Papa was here right now, he'd sure
Speaker 2: be pleased.
Speaker 3: I apologize to the YouTube audience. You're not gonna hear this.
Speaker 1: It's a nice full sound.
Speaker 7: This time last year, the show was a lot of
Speaker 7: sad faces.
Speaker 1: Around this old house.
Speaker 7: Our papa died without fulfilling his life's dream of producing
Speaker 7: one of the best crops in Grimes counting m No.
Speaker 7: Papa died with a dream still in his head. I
Speaker 7: desire in his heart, a promise on his lips. Call
Speaker 7: us is on both hands.
Speaker 1: And two dollars in his pocket.
Speaker 7: Papa didn't live long enough to see his dream come true,
Speaker 7: so he died from too much work, a broken spirit,
Speaker 7: I guess. But I promised to our mama that if
Speaker 7: it was the last thing he'd ever do, he had
Speaker 7: lived long enough to see just one good crop.
Speaker 1: Controversial. If I suggest that Johnny Cash actually as bad
Speaker 1: as Rapp, we don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think it is at all.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 4: Hey, when I hear these little preambles to these songs,
Speaker 4: it's it's I feel like I need that for my ballads,
Speaker 4: like a little like a little forty fifty second like
Speaker 4: Johnny Cash, the father.
Speaker 1: Of rap, that would father? I like that? Did you
Speaker 1: get first wrapper, Clay?
Speaker 8: Did you get some inspiration for a new ballad listening
Speaker 8: to that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I did, Like just a just a preamble, like a
Speaker 4: smokeing preamble.
Speaker 1: I used to do that a lot.
Speaker 8: Yeah you got code? Did that tone for it? You
Speaker 8: should start doing that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Two our things we got we got a hand
Speaker 1: with those handful of the things we got hit. But
Speaker 1: here's two our things. Oh so if you go back,
Speaker 1: I don't know what what what episode was what episode
Speaker 1: was our hog hunting podcast episode?
Speaker 3: Phil oh Man, I don't know the number, but it's yeah,
Speaker 3: you don't have it allread in Texas. No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: It's been a thousand podcastings I've been working here, yep.
Speaker 3: But it's it's easy to find the Texas Hog Hunt.
Speaker 1: Not too long ago there was a podcast epical episode
Speaker 1: with Cam Haynes called the Texas Hog Hunt. Well, we
Speaker 1: also down there shot some video and you can go
Speaker 1: find that that video of hunting some hogs with Cam
Speaker 1: Haynes on YouTube. So not only did the podcast episode,
Speaker 1: but there's some hunting some hunting action.
Speaker 3: Well, there were a couple. There's the one we wear
Speaker 3: Korean shoots the hog and there's a separate one with
Speaker 3: Cam Haynes.
Speaker 2: The Hammering Hogs with Cam Haynes was episode five twenty two.
Speaker 1: Got it. Also a duck hunting video with Clay Matthews
Speaker 1: is out where we did a podcast with Clay Matthews,
Speaker 1: a famous football player, and film some stuff there. That
Speaker 1: video is out. Both those are out on YouTube.
Speaker 2: That was episode five twenty Also.
Speaker 1: Folks need to go to we had so some episodes back.
Speaker 1: We had a guest on from Cypress Cove Marina down
Speaker 1: Louisiana and we talked about I talked with him Renee
Speaker 1: Cross is his name, about My experience is going down
Speaker 1: to Cypress Coved Marina spearfishing, becoming friends with Renee at
Speaker 1: Cypress Cove Marina, and we kicked off where we're doing
Speaker 1: like a takeover at Cypress Coved Marina and doing a
Speaker 1: big fishing trip party. So that is meat eat If
Speaker 1: you want to join and go down for inshore, offshore fishing,
Speaker 1: fish cleaning, local food, the great trip for a few days.
Speaker 1: Go check out Meat Eater Experiences. You can go to
Speaker 1: our website and go to Media Experiences and find details
Speaker 1: on those trips coming up for fishing in October and
Speaker 1: then for waterfoul in December January. Just go check that out.
Speaker 2: Are you going to one of those clay Yeah? Which one?
Speaker 1: Venice?
Speaker 4: Brent's gonna be in Venice and also Kansas Waterfowl.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be down there in Venice.
Speaker 2: With Clean Steve.
Speaker 1: Uh well, Chili's going to be there.
Speaker 8: I'll be there on the second half. Y y, he's
Speaker 8: gonna be there, yeah.
Speaker 1: Cal Oh and doctor Randall. Yeah, he won the one
Speaker 1: won a trip doctor Randall won a trip won the
Speaker 1: company through the company basketball thing I made.
Speaker 6: I made Randall feel real bad about winning actually, because
Speaker 6: well I just told him. I'm like, Randall, like you
Speaker 6: seem to win everything. You win trivia, you win all
Speaker 6: these trips, you get to go on bear hunts, like
Speaker 6: you know, there's some someone else at the office that
Speaker 6: maybe really wanted to go.
Speaker 1: That is true. Yeah, well it's Randall.
Speaker 6: And he like looked at me with all this worry
Speaker 6: because Brie was Bree, our coworker, really wanted to go.
Speaker 6: I was like, you do you just stole that trip
Speaker 6: from her? And uh, he kind of felt bad.
Speaker 2: And I bet he looked like he was worried.
Speaker 1: I got a problem with Randall. Well, he likes to
Speaker 1: think he's running with the big dogs on wildlife. I've
Speaker 1: got two things he's got. He's got a line on
Speaker 1: a badger that I've been looking to get. Did he
Speaker 1: send you the video? Yeah, still hasn't gotten me my permission.
Speaker 1: And my kids are in the pigeon selling business, and
Speaker 1: Randall's got a line on some pigeons and he hasn't
Speaker 1: sealed the deal on that either. Wow, It's like two things.
Speaker 1: You could you come to and hey, I could sure
Speaker 1: use some help on that badger. I could show you
Speaker 1: some help on those pigeons. Months go by, not a
Speaker 1: bit of progress.
Speaker 8: Well, I think with the badger we made a deal.
Speaker 1: Too busy winning winning stuff, not busy enough working.
Speaker 6: Well, we made the deal that I got to go
Speaker 6: try to catch that badger with my bare hands, which
Speaker 6: you don't think I can do.
Speaker 1: I can catch it with your brands. I can not
Speaker 1: gonna let you try. And if you did get a
Speaker 1: try and it's not gonna work, it's gonna work. Did
Speaker 1: you see mercer ings arms at other night from trying
Speaker 1: to catch a bob cat? Well, that's a bobcat.
Speaker 4: A lot a lot of those animals, like like raccoons
Speaker 4: and beavers, when you grab them, they just they don't
Speaker 4: have the flexibility to get you if you get them
Speaker 4: right behind on the nape of the neck. Now I
Speaker 4: wouldn't I don't. I don't think i'd want to be
Speaker 4: catching it back.
Speaker 1: But no, you know those animals like that with short
Speaker 1: legs and a lot of muscle you don't want to
Speaker 1: tussle with.
Speaker 4: Well, what what do you think about hand catching a raccoon.
Speaker 1: I have a I have a method. Well, because we
Speaker 1: have pet raccoons. You just pick him up by the scruff.
Speaker 1: Well you can.
Speaker 4: You can also if you see a raccoon that's just
Speaker 4: out in the big field, like at night. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: very easy to catch him. Run up to them, tap
Speaker 4: them in the rear end. They'll spin around and then
Speaker 4: you kind of just kind of juic with them a
Speaker 4: little bit, and then when they turned to run, you
Speaker 4: grab them by the tail and they cannot get you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My mom used to throw them out of the
Speaker 1: house by the tail because they'd get into the house
Speaker 1: and throw them back out of the house by the tail.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna in defensive Randall. I don't think he admitted
Speaker 3: this to you. Something tells me he was probably embarrassed
Speaker 3: to but that quote that that I lost quote unquote
Speaker 3: about the pharaohs and the babies that you had framed
Speaker 3: in the off Randall spent hours days looking for that quote.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he told you how.
Speaker 1: He told me. When his wife was watching something that
Speaker 1: wasn't that couldn't hold his interest, he would try to
Speaker 1: find that.
Speaker 3: He read complete books on the off chance that a
Speaker 3: quote that The quote might be in the book. You'll
Speaker 3: have to ask him exactly which ones, but it was.
Speaker 3: It was an embarrassing amount of time.
Speaker 1: And you feel that.
Speaker 3: I feel like you should. You should be grateful Randall
Speaker 3: cares about you that much.
Speaker 1: No, I am, but I just feel like he's kind
Speaker 1: of burning me on this badger pigeon situation.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, nobody's perfect.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you won all that stuff, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad he wins all the trivia. Here. Here's one last
Speaker 1: thing I want to discuss. There's a couple things I
Speaker 1: wanted to discuss. There's two Chettikot questions, even though Chester's
Speaker 1: not here. And then there's this some hot news coming
Speaker 1: out of Arizona. Well, how do you guys feel about
Speaker 1: the fact that the Arizona Fish and Game the Arizona Game,
Speaker 1: Game and Fish Commission just voted four to one to
Speaker 1: eliminate governor's tags, the governor's auction tags. Mhmm, Well, I think.
Speaker 2: If they can prove that like a raffle will come
Speaker 2: close to raising the same amount of money, then that's great.
Speaker 2: But if not, they're just like saying goodbye to hundreds
Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 1: Well over the course of years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so did they do it just because like people
Speaker 4: were disputed as like this rich guy's game where it's
Speaker 4: just totally kind of like public and.
Speaker 2: Some way it had gotten too big. I think it
Speaker 2: was two years ago they broke the record in back
Speaker 2: to back days, once for the animalop Island tag and
Speaker 2: then again for Arizona the next day. And maybe like
Speaker 2: if that didn't happen, maybe if the dollar amounts are smaller,
Speaker 2: like this wouldn't be the case.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a quick deep dive for folks. This
Speaker 1: debate in some way centers around interpretations of what we
Speaker 1: call the North American model a big game. Uh, what's
Speaker 1: it called? North American model America wild big game wildless sorry,
Speaker 1: wildlife conservation where one of the tenants I think there's
Speaker 1: seven tenants in the model that we use. This is
Speaker 1: not a formal, codified model. It's it's like it's like
Speaker 1: a sort of a living document. One of the tenants
Speaker 1: is that you have democratic allocation of wildlife. Okay, some
Speaker 1: argue that doing a governor's tag or tag auction is
Speaker 1: not democratic allocation of wildlife and a little out of
Speaker 1: order in this expimation. I'll point out what that is.
Speaker 1: So here you're taking a you can the state of
Speaker 1: Arizona might go out and give out dozens of big
Speaker 1: horn cheap tags, okay to people who drew, to people
Speaker 1: who drew, but they take one of those tags. They'll
Speaker 1: take one of those tags, and they'll usually create special
Speaker 1: parameters around it. They'll take a big horn tag and
Speaker 1: they'll say, Okay, this big horn tag is not just
Speaker 1: good for the season. This big horn tag is good
Speaker 1: for three hundred and sixty five days. Here's a big
Speaker 1: horn tag that's good for the entire calendar year, and
Speaker 1: it's good for any unit that's open to sheep hunting.
Speaker 1: So you're making like a mega tag, right, and then
Speaker 1: you auction it to the highest bidder. Now, since this
Speaker 1: highest bidder is gonna get first cracks at any sheet,
Speaker 1: in the longest crack at any sheet, they can be
Speaker 1: very valuable. So if you have a scout group, like
Speaker 1: an outfitter who's got an eye on a big big horn,
Speaker 1: big desert big horn, whatever, you're gonna get it. You
Speaker 1: already got enough money to buy the damn thing. You're
Speaker 1: definitely have enough money to get it. And you're they're
Speaker 1: gonna put you on it, okay, And these tags sell
Speaker 1: for lots of money. So it used to be that
Speaker 1: you'd hear of governor's tags being two hundred grand, two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty grand, and then it's crept up into
Speaker 1: the like.
Speaker 2: Seven hundred thousand I think was the Arizona record that
Speaker 2: was set.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so here you have a person paying upwards
Speaker 1: of three quarters of a million dollars.
Speaker 4: Is that what we saw auctioned off at the Western
Speaker 4: Hunt Western Hunt Expo?
Speaker 1: I don't know what, I don't remember what I.
Speaker 4: Mean, it went for like five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Well, they had a night where they set a record
Speaker 1: and the record only lasted like a hour, and they
Speaker 1: broke the record again that night. So here you have
Speaker 1: where you're taking granted, you're taking a sheep tag out
Speaker 1: of the pool and giving it to the highest bidder,
Speaker 1: so it's not democratically allocated, it's it's to the richest
Speaker 1: man in the room. However, all of that fund goes
Speaker 1: to habitat work. Okay, So these governor tags that they
Speaker 1: just got rid of, I think since two thousand, since
Speaker 1: the mid two thousands, they've raised eleven million dollars for habitat.
Speaker 1: All that money goes into the Department's Habitat part Partnership Committee. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's it's a huge pile of conservation money. This
Speaker 1: it's one of those issues that I look at and
Speaker 1: it's like I can't even make up my mind, Like
Speaker 1: both sides are so clear to me, Like both sides
Speaker 1: of the argument are so clear to me that it
Speaker 1: winds up being one of the rare things. It's just
Speaker 1: like hard for me, Like if I had to make
Speaker 1: the decision unilaterally, I would lose tremendous amounts of sleep
Speaker 1: and would never be able to decide because I get
Speaker 1: it the appearance of taking a resource it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be democratically allocated and auctioning it off to the highest bidder.
Speaker 1: Like I get how that frustrates people, but I also
Speaker 1: get how it brings in huge amounts of money for
Speaker 1: wildlife habitat. Yeah, in exchange for one animal, in exchange
Speaker 1: for one animal. Yeah, Now here's a little like Colorado
Speaker 1: is opening up. Colorado's taking a new unit that hasn't
Speaker 1: been open for hunting. Okay, this is this is kind
Speaker 1: of like something that's going on right now, Colorado's got
Speaker 1: a new unit. It's gonna open up for big horns.
Speaker 1: There's a pretty well known big horn in that unit.
Speaker 1: The potentially is gonna be the new world record big.
Speaker 2: Horn right now.
Speaker 1: Yep, people all know about it. They just are creating
Speaker 1: a new unit. His unit is getting opened. Everybody knows
Speaker 1: about him. All of a sudden. That Governor's tag this
Speaker 1: year is very valuable. Why because you're gonna get there's
Speaker 1: one tag. Maybe it's gonna be a one tag unit,
Speaker 1: but the Governor's tag is good for any unit that
Speaker 1: has hunting. You're you're you're buying the animal. And a
Speaker 1: lot of the Governor's tags go like that, Like someone
Speaker 1: will go to a bitterer and be like, here's what
Speaker 1: we have, here's our like here's a dossier on the
Speaker 1: available animals, Like we got a stud meal 're on
Speaker 1: Anilo Island. Do you want in? Because the minute you
Speaker 1: buy this tag, we're gonna get it. We're gonna put
Speaker 1: you there and you're gonna make the shot. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: So people don't like it, but it's just a ton
Speaker 1: of money for habitat and like it doesn't it make
Speaker 1: sense that all of those millions of dollars have way
Speaker 1: more than like, way more than made up and producing
Speaker 1: wildlife to make up for the one animal that that
Speaker 1: that one animal year that all that money costs, like
Speaker 1: eleven million bucks probably buys you a lot about horns
Speaker 1: from habitat work. Yeah, you know, even if you regard
Speaker 1: I'm not using this is not my term, but even
Speaker 1: if you looked at it totally like a deal with
Speaker 1: the devil, it's not a bad deal. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: view it as a deal with the devil at all.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, even if you have that perspective, it's
Speaker 1: not a bad deal. Yeah, but it stings people. There's
Speaker 1: people that like, man, I've been applying to play the
Speaker 1: game and apply for a big horn tag for thirty years,
Speaker 1: never drew one, never will and then you you're just
Speaker 1: selling them off to some guy that can buy a
Speaker 1: new one every year. Why not?
Speaker 2: But I feel like, I like, i'd like, I don't
Speaker 2: want to advance any further beyond what it was. But
Speaker 2: you already see it in some other states with like
Speaker 2: it's not the same, but it feels like it in
Speaker 2: some ways, Like in Wyoming, you can apply special or
Speaker 2: regular for a tag right, yea, and regular irregular deer
Speaker 2: tag might cost you three hundred and fifty dollars. But
Speaker 2: if you apply special, you're applying for like a thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: so you can get a more limited pool.
Speaker 1: You pay more money to get in a more limited pool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, So that's like happening on a smaller scale.
Speaker 2: But in this case, I'm I'm okay with the governor's tags.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of money.
Speaker 1: There are many, many cases, I mean to be easy
Speaker 1: to explain them all. There are many cases where this
Speaker 1: gets subverted a little bit like and it's always where
Speaker 1: the democratic allocation thing gets skewed, and it often is
Speaker 1: in service of the goal of while they have habitat.
Speaker 1: For instance, some states do these things called transferable landowner tags,
Speaker 1: where if a landowner has certain acreage of ground that
Speaker 1: provides habitat for a species, the landowner gets tags. Now,
Speaker 1: it was historically like, hey, you own all this land,
Speaker 1: the animals live on your place, here's a tag. You
Speaker 1: should be able to hunt regardless of whether you draw
Speaker 1: a tag or not. But then they make them transferable,
Speaker 1: and they make them sell and they make them unit wide.
Speaker 1: So let's say I could have one thousand acres in
Speaker 1: New Mexico that doesn't even have a prong horn on it. Okay,
Speaker 1: but I get my transferable land unit wide landowner pronghorn tag,
Speaker 1: which I can sell on the open market because it's
Speaker 1: good for the whole unit, not just my property. So
Speaker 1: I'm being rewarded for my property with the tag that
Speaker 1: I then sell to Chili for six thousand bucks. U.
Speaker 1: Chili doesn't even hunt my place. Chili goes and hunts
Speaker 1: BLM or whatever, never steps foot on my place. Some
Speaker 1: people go like, what is this that seems different? What
Speaker 1: is this? How is this the North American model?
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of people were talking about that with
Speaker 6: like the New Mexico calan Jason Felks, and they were like,
Speaker 6: how did you guys pull text? How did you guys
Speaker 6: pull text? Like, no, that there's other avenues that you take. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and they're like how to like without getting into the
Speaker 6: numbers of it, like how do you guys know about that?
Speaker 6: It's like it's pretty common, but a lot of people
Speaker 6: just don't know, So no.
Speaker 1: They don't. And it winds up that it winds up
Speaker 1: that you're acknowledging to landowners that like owning land, providing
Speaker 1: wildlife habitat. In some states it's actually measured by certain
Speaker 1: things you do to create to increase and create habitat.
Speaker 1: But it's like owning land is expensive, private land is
Speaker 1: vital to wildlife conservation. We're incentivizing landowners to be good
Speaker 1: stewards of the land by rewarding them for providing this
Speaker 1: habitat to a state resource. It all had like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's no case. You can't go to any case of
Speaker 1: any kind of tag allocation and point to it as
Speaker 1: being like completely self serving, counterproductive. Right, It's all things
Speaker 1: meant to lubricate, facilitate wildlife management in the country and
Speaker 1: find funding for wildlife resources and a problem with what's
Speaker 1: happening in Arizona. And again it blows my mind that
Speaker 1: they voted four to one to get rid of auction
Speaker 1: tags because the hope is that they're going to use
Speaker 1: it in raffles. So here's another tag thing. I always
Speaker 1: joined state raffles a bunch of them. You can put
Speaker 1: in for a tag, as everybody does, or you can
Speaker 1: buy raffle tickets. I just looked at one today. There's
Speaker 1: a raffle in Alaska right now. It's one hundred bucks
Speaker 1: per ticket and it's a full, all expense paid. It's
Speaker 1: a caribou tag that comes with guide, and so you
Speaker 1: get like caribou tags, guides and all that trip for
Speaker 1: two I didn't buy a ticket, but it's a hundred
Speaker 1: bucks for a ticket. Okay, it's gonna raise a ton
Speaker 1: of money for Alaska. But it's not an auction. It's
Speaker 1: a raffle. Meaning they're looking and saying I think people
Speaker 1: can that really want to get involved. I don't think
Speaker 1: a hundred bucks is prohibitive. There's other things where for
Speaker 1: five bucks a ticket you can try to get raffle tags,
Speaker 1: so in addition to the normal tag draw.
Speaker 4: So they think they can compensate for the loss of
Speaker 4: funds with a raffle that would raise as much money
Speaker 4: as that raise half a million dollars potentially for that
Speaker 4: one like bighorn tag or elk tag in Arizona.
Speaker 1: Well, let me this isn't apples and apples, but I'll
Speaker 1: give you an example of the power of raffles. So
Speaker 1: every year Jannis and I do that Theodore Roosevelt Conservation
Speaker 1: Partnership right Turkey Hunt giveaway. Yep, So we volunteer our time,
Speaker 1: a landowner volunteers their place, and we do a hunt
Speaker 1: with winners. So we used to do that hunt as
Speaker 1: an auction, okay, and it would be that the highest
Speaker 1: bidder would get a hunt for him and his buddy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: People were like disappointed in this because how can they compete?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't have ten twenty thousand, five thousand more.
Speaker 1: Okay, the people would pay, so like we kind of
Speaker 1: felt that right. It was like, yeah, maybe there's another
Speaker 1: way and it's more complicated, but we instituted a raffle hunt.
Speaker 1: And the thing about doing a raffle hunt by law,
Speaker 1: for that kind of raffle hunt, you don't you have
Speaker 1: to have a way for people to enter for free
Speaker 1: sweepstake's law, Like you can't do like those nonprofit giveaways
Speaker 1: about having a free option. Okay, Even despite that, when
Speaker 1: we went to when we went to a raffle, ten
Speaker 1: bucks gets you a ticket, we tripled the money. Really
Speaker 1: for TRCP, we tripled the money when we went from
Speaker 1: auction to raffle.
Speaker 2: How did you figure out the free way?
Speaker 1: He's got to go on some website and write some
Speaker 1: letter and send it in. We've never had a free
Speaker 1: entry win. It's a random draw, and as far as
Speaker 1: I know, we've never had a free entry win. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody does it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like ten bucks.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's really out there working that hard
Speaker 1: to try to avoid it, you know what.
Speaker 4: Like talking about the big auction tags, I would love
Speaker 4: to hear someone get like the most extreme but also
Speaker 4: intelligent case for why those auction tags are detrimental. I'd
Speaker 4: really like to hear that argument, because it's possible that
Speaker 4: stuff like this is shortsighted and it's like, yeah, we
Speaker 4: can get seven hundred thousand dollars for this tag today,
Speaker 4: But this is building this mechanism into the model that
Speaker 4: fifty years from now is going to turn into something
Speaker 4: crazy where all the big horn tags and wherever our
Speaker 4: our auction tags all of a sudden. That's that's because
Speaker 4: you know, I see both sides of it too, and
Speaker 4: at first I don't have any problem with it. I'm
Speaker 4: like one tag, one tag, let that one tag go
Speaker 4: to do this and.
Speaker 1: Build this culture.
Speaker 4: It also builds this sense of you know, hunting value,
Speaker 4: which is good for an animal like a big horn
Speaker 4: sheep that needs a lot of money, needs a lot
Speaker 4: of special care needs, a lot of hypercent sensitive management,
Speaker 4: transport and animals working on habitat depredation, all this stuff.
Speaker 4: But I would like to hear a guy that wasn't
Speaker 4: just mad about not getting to play because he didn't
Speaker 4: have the money. There's plenty. I mean, so you know
Speaker 4: the guy that's like just mad because some rich guy
Speaker 4: got it, I'd like to hear ineligion argument.
Speaker 1: I think it's the perception that you've pulled and Governor's
Speaker 1: takes are more than just big horns. It was like, yeah, tags, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's Governor's tags for most of we to big game animals.
Speaker 1: I think it's that you've pulled an animal out of
Speaker 1: the public pool, or you've created a tag. You've created
Speaker 1: a tag in addition to the public pool. And if
Speaker 1: that's the case, you're like, well where did that come from?
Speaker 1: If we can kill that big horn in addition to
Speaker 1: the ones we're doing before, was it just arbitrary the
Speaker 1: number of tags that were available before. Yeah, so you're
Speaker 1: saying there's another tag, we can get another big horn,
Speaker 1: but that one's not available to working class people who
Speaker 1: are applying all their life and will never draw it.
Speaker 1: You're you're sort of out of the blue creating one
Speaker 1: for rich people to be able to go and kill me.
Speaker 1: Why to kill a dos a big horn? Why was
Speaker 1: it there before? Well, why can't I have a shot
Speaker 1: at it? And and and and again. It's just very
Speaker 1: surprising to me that this went four to one, especially
Speaker 1: the fact that it comes on a number of, like
Speaker 1: very coming on the on the tail of a bunch
Speaker 1: of very high profile auction record setting big game auctions.
Speaker 1: Right if it was in decline and you're seeing that
Speaker 1: the tags are devalued and pretty soon guys are buying
Speaker 1: the auction tag for one hundred thousand dollars, and you
Speaker 1: might go, like, you know what, man, it's not raising
Speaker 1: any money anymore. It's kind of lost, it's luster. It
Speaker 1: creates a lot of social tension. Why not get rid
Speaker 1: of it. It's weird that it like starts going up, up, up,
Speaker 1: up into insane amounts of conservation dollars and then they're like,
Speaker 1: then get.
Speaker 4: Well it kind of it's kind of the same trend
Speaker 4: that we see in society at all levels, that there's
Speaker 4: this scrutiny on the ultra wealthy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think in this case there's like very
Speaker 2: specific examples too that feel kind of vicky. When it's
Speaker 2: like the Jimmy Johns founder, like he's had some bad
Speaker 2: hunting pr in the past, and you know it's him
Speaker 2: buying the tag and it's gonna like go on his
Speaker 2: wall of one hundred and fifty other animals, and I
Speaker 2: think for the folks that's just like a kind of gross.
Speaker 2: But if it was like a no named fella from Nevada,
Speaker 2: like I think one of those record breaking tags was
Speaker 2: that maybe doesn't sting as much to folks.
Speaker 1: And there's a hunting there's a hunting style that goes
Speaker 1: with the Governor tags that winds up being off putting
Speaker 1: the people.
Speaker 9: Where people all over the mountains, there's certain I don't
Speaker 9: want to get into names on this, but there's certain
Speaker 9: outfitting players that have really there's certain outfitting players that
Speaker 9: have played really heavy in the.
Speaker 1: Governor's Tag world. And they'll find animals, Okay, they'll put
Speaker 1: guys on them, monitor them around the clock, bring a
Speaker 1: guy in. The guy comes in, shows up, makes the shot,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like there's a perception that they're
Speaker 1: not even hunting, yeah, like other people are doing it.
Speaker 1: It leads to you know, they're like there's a case
Speaker 1: where like, oh, they're blocking off row to try to
Speaker 1: impede access. They're harassing other hunters who are in the area.
Speaker 1: They're putting a guy on every hilltop to watch the
Speaker 1: animal to make sure no one else gets it. They're
Speaker 1: gonna spook it out of the way if someone else comes,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. All this all this hysteria and they
Speaker 1: didn't even hunt it anyway, and so then it creates
Speaker 1: it kind of sours the whole thing. But it's like,
Speaker 1: do the big do the does the sheep habitat that
Speaker 1: the money helps? Does that sheep habitat care? How that
Speaker 1: guy conducted the hunt. They didn't break the law.
Speaker 2: That's Clay's uh journal about horse happiness.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Will hate the player, No, don't hate the don't hate
Speaker 4: the player hate.
Speaker 1: Don't hate the player, hate the game. And in this case,
Speaker 1: don't hate the player, hate the game. They hated the
Speaker 1: game and they got rid of the game. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: actually I'm I'm.
Speaker 4: Kind of pleased to see that it went towards like
Speaker 4: the vote was towards sure something that was more conservative
Speaker 4: you'd rather. I mean, like, what if they had voted
Speaker 4: to make six of the tags governor tags.
Speaker 1: That would be bad. We'd all be like, now, come well,
Speaker 1: I don't know that would be six times. That would
Speaker 1: be that there was sixty six million dollars going into
Speaker 1: WILDI I think that.
Speaker 4: Would tip the scales of public sentiment towards Wait a minute,
Speaker 4: this is getting out of hand. I mean, like, twenty
Speaker 4: years from now, it's gonna be they're all gonna be
Speaker 4: paid for it, you know. But but the one and
Speaker 4: that's where I would like to hear an intelligent argument
Speaker 4: of people that had insight, maybe even from other realms
Speaker 4: of society where there's like a slippery slope or something
Speaker 4: like twenty years from now, your kids are going to
Speaker 4: be you know, this is gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I was talking to a guy the other night, and
Speaker 1: I'd like to get him on the show. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say who said this opinion to me, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna articulated guy's opinion that I was talking to
Speaker 1: the other night. I'd like him to come on the show.
Speaker 1: He works in policy. He was viewing this as a
Speaker 1: sort of anti hunting movement, and he had an interesting fact.
Speaker 1: If he said anytime wildlife managers, commissions, whoever. Politicians are
Speaker 1: presented with a split and hunting, and there are some hunters.
Speaker 1: They're presented with two sides of an argument, and there
Speaker 1: are some hunters on each side. They will go with
Speaker 1: the anti hunting side, meaning let's say you're looking at
Speaker 1: a trap band, a public land trap band, and they're like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't want to piss off hunters and trappers. But
Speaker 1: then you get some hunters who are going to come
Speaker 1: and say, oh, I like that band because it's safer
Speaker 1: for my bird dog. That gives them cover. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he says invariably, Invariably, the minute some hunters give cover
Speaker 1: to an anti hunting position, the politicians are going to
Speaker 1: go anti hunting because it places more people well, because
Speaker 1: that's the way they want to go, and they need
Speaker 1: to justify it. And the minute they can have all
Speaker 1: hunter to point to, they can tip that way and
Speaker 1: feel that they're not anti hunting. And he felt, and
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't like, I don't agree with him,
Speaker 1: but I want to have him on to talk about it.
Speaker 1: He feels that going away from governor's tags is a
Speaker 1: anti hunting sentiment, and I don't really know that I don't.
Speaker 1: I've been wrestling with that since he sat it to me,
Speaker 1: and I don't know that I agree with that. Hmmm.
Speaker 2: I don't think I agree with it, but I could
Speaker 2: be swayed, especially in like a kind of a famously
Speaker 2: purple state like Arizona, that maybe that is the case
Speaker 2: for some things.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I'd like to hear that argument. I want
Speaker 1: to have Mon. I want to have Mon to talk
Speaker 1: about that argument. Uh, you guys are right for two cheticos,
Speaker 1: they're gonna wrap it up.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna ask Phil about Disney? You think or not?
Speaker 1: I thought about asking the Disney, but I didn't know
Speaker 1: that Phil. I don't know that Phil could tell our
Speaker 1: listen theres anything about Disney they didn't already know.
Speaker 2: That's absolutely not true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Phil took a day off on a live tour
Speaker 1: on the live too. We had a day off and Phil,
Speaker 1: was it even a day off? Phil? No, it wasn't.
Speaker 3: We had a show that night. Phil got up sort
Speaker 3: of like how Spencer woke up at five thirty to
Speaker 3: go rock counting this morning, I woke up at five
Speaker 3: thirty to go to a theme part.
Speaker 1: Phil spent set his alarm Okay, he set his alarm
Speaker 1: and woke up early to go by himself to Disney.
Speaker 1: And we had a lot of jokes about how they're
Speaker 1: probably gonna monitor Phil all day long with security, wondering
Speaker 1: why a single mail of his age would be at Disney.
Speaker 1: But he went. And what did you find out? Phil?
Speaker 1: You'd been there before?
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably around nine or ten times.
Speaker 1: How much does it cost to get in? Well, man,
Speaker 1: it is more more or less than a governor's day.
Speaker 3: Uh this, I mean, how much does it cost to
Speaker 3: get in? This is part this is part of the
Speaker 3: whole like corp corporate monopolistic stuff that comes in. It
Speaker 3: was a lot of money Clay for like one day
Speaker 3: at a theme park I think after like taxis shoes,
Speaker 3: it was like one hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 1: That corporate monopoly. What how do they have a monopoly?
Speaker 1: Of course there's theme park. Well, well it's not even
Speaker 1: just like Disney. Disney owns everything they've got, like like
Speaker 1: TV stations and networks and cruise ships and everything. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying they find every way to milk as
Speaker 1: much money as they can, which is their right.
Speaker 4: As when he gets done talking about Disney, you feel
Speaker 4: like the government should take over Disney like the Russian Revolution.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not, I'm saying over the over the ten or
Speaker 3: fifteen years, Disney has been transforming their theme party experience
Speaker 3: to be anti consumer and anti guest by letting you
Speaker 3: pay more money to cut in lines, which they didn't.
Speaker 1: We did when my family went. We did the we
Speaker 1: did the rich people bought. We bought a thing to
Speaker 1: let us cut.
Speaker 3: And I think about you differently now. I was in
Speaker 3: my element. I had the time of my life.
Speaker 1: The long run.
Speaker 3: They're there, the two bummers, clay splash, Mountain, haunted mansion
Speaker 3: to to al Teimers shut down for renovation. That's that was.
Speaker 3: That was a bads.
Speaker 1: But Phil, did you buy the thing to let you cut?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 3: I did not.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you sometimes I want to tell you
Speaker 1: about why I bought the cut thing? Okay. I think
Speaker 1: if I talked to you about it and give you
Speaker 1: a little background, I think that you'll you won't dislike
Speaker 1: me as much.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like that you want me to respect you.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about I'll tell Phil about it in private
Speaker 1: later and I think he'll say, like, I think you
Speaker 1: did the right thing.
Speaker 4: Okay, I want to tell you about the Warner the
Speaker 4: Disney film that Warner Glenn start in.
Speaker 2: Can I just fill one last?
Speaker 4: Disney don't talk about I know when I just wanted
Speaker 4: to like put it in before we change subject.
Speaker 1: And I can't go into all the details we had discussed.
Speaker 2: I feel like since the last time you had been there, Phil,
Speaker 2: they had started allowing their characters to like, uh, look
Speaker 2: more like themselves in the real world, where they can
Speaker 2: have tattoos.
Speaker 3: Kind of like characters like you're not gonna see Aladdin
Speaker 3: with his full sleeve, but like their employees, like you
Speaker 3: can have piercing And.
Speaker 2: Did you did you witness that? Did it change the experience?
Speaker 3: I did didn't pay a whole lot of attention, But
Speaker 3: I would anybody care about that? Disney's hold over from
Speaker 3: a different era, Like Walt Disney was a very uptight
Speaker 3: sort of traditionalist, And they still don't even sell alcohol
Speaker 3: in the theme park, Like there's only one place you
Speaker 3: can get alcohol and that's at a bar in the
Speaker 3: Star Wars area.
Speaker 1: And and you found you feel that Disney is is
Speaker 1: gotten too big, and he's like they need to be
Speaker 1: like a mon like a like a Trustbuster, like they
Speaker 1: need to break Disney up. Kinda Yeah, but don't you
Speaker 1: realize that they that they they invented all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I feel I feel there's a part of
Speaker 3: me that feels really gross going there. But like they're
Speaker 3: just masters of production design and putting on a show
Speaker 3: and like like transporting you somewhere else through sounds and
Speaker 3: smells and sight and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like our lives.
Speaker 3: It's just like our live show. Apologies to the woman
Speaker 3: who had a conversation with me after I stuffed my
Speaker 3: mouthful of sushi last night. That was that was a
Speaker 3: century experience for her.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Yeah, I had a blast.
Speaker 1: You had a blast. Fair to say that you hate. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't consider myself a Disney adult because they're they're
Speaker 3: sort of like Disney can do no wrong. They're very apologetic,
Speaker 3: and they're kind of creepy. I I I I like
Speaker 3: to keep my arm's length away from those people. But
Speaker 3: I just I like I like the show. I like
Speaker 3: the like the theatricality of.
Speaker 1: The whole film. You're a critic, You're a critical.
Speaker 3: I'm a critic one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 3: Phil Thanks, Spencer, Yeah, yeah, no, I got to go
Speaker 3: on a bunch of rides. No kids, no, no people
Speaker 3: like like Spencer and Clay to drag around. And even
Speaker 3: though I would have loved for you guys to come,
Speaker 3: I really wanted Clay to come to Frontierland with me
Speaker 3: and ride the Daivy Crocket can use to Tom Sawyer Island.
Speaker 3: But I thought he might say something like, oh, my
Speaker 3: culture is not your costume and then like punch me
Speaker 3: in the throat or something. I didn't want to deal.
Speaker 1: With that my culture is not Can you tell us
Speaker 1: the thing? What was the thing that most two questions? Yeah,
Speaker 1: most delighted you on your your mourning at Disney and
Speaker 1: what most irked you at your your morning at Disney.
Speaker 3: This is like, this is not good podcasting material because
Speaker 3: it's just like very deep, I disagree stuff, but.
Speaker 1: This is like this turned into therapy figure.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, somewhat. Rise of the Resistance a very state
Speaker 3: of the art and new Star Wars themed ride. Some
Speaker 3: of the special effects weren't working when the when the
Speaker 3: whole ride is based around these kind of like cool
Speaker 3: special effects, when two of them aren't working, I was disappointed.
Speaker 3: I was disappointed in that Kylo Ren's lightsaber didn't come
Speaker 3: through the ceiling. The cannons were moving back and forth.
Speaker 3: Real ones, write me, let me know what that that
Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying, Indiana Jones. They made some
Speaker 3: some upgrades that the riders getting a little in there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, big cobra, that hiss is right at your face.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was good, but they added some projections.
Speaker 3: That was the one line. I waited forty five minutes
Speaker 3: far as the longest I had to wait in line
Speaker 3: because I had to. I did single rider lines.
Speaker 1: Did like the working man's ticket.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's right. I waited forty five minutes in line.
Speaker 3: Nothing rich, you know, didn't have a VIP guide getting
Speaker 3: food for me and showing where the bathrooms were. I
Speaker 3: defined it myself like a real uh hard work, like
Speaker 3: a real American, like a pioneer, like Daniel Boone.
Speaker 2: Your Star Wars experience was like Yanni wanted for us
Speaker 2: to ask for some money back from our last hotel.
Speaker 2: Is they their hot water wasn't working, so he thought
Speaker 2: we were we were owed something.
Speaker 3: Yeah for that. I didn't. I didn't ask George because
Speaker 3: for money, my money back though my wife.
Speaker 1: Was recently in the hotel and they had messed up
Speaker 1: the bleach in the pool so bad that it bleached
Speaker 1: her swimsuit. And when she went up to notify him
Speaker 1: that it like, I mean, it bleached her swimsuit. What well,
Speaker 1: that's what she was curious about. And she went up
Speaker 1: there treating her like a big diva. It's just like, listen,
Speaker 1: look at my slipsuit. It bleached.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Thanks thanks for asking, Steve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's two chettikots ready for this. I am a
Speaker 1: law enforcement officer. This is a juicy one. That's not
Speaker 1: that's not the right word. It's juicy. I'm a law
Speaker 1: enforcement officer on a state forest which is open to
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing. A benefit to this job is I
Speaker 1: get to I get a take home truck which is marked.
Speaker 1: I also hunt the same areas I work. My boss
Speaker 1: has given me the okay to hunt before and after
Speaker 1: work out of the state truck. Hunting out of the
Speaker 1: state truck seems like an all around wind. I am
Speaker 1: much more able to respond to emergencies after hours when
Speaker 1: most of them occur, and I have more time to
Speaker 1: hunt because I don't have to go home and switch trucks.
Speaker 1: Seeing a law enforcement truck parked in the woods may
Speaker 1: deter illegal activity. Despite all this, I can't help but
Speaker 1: feel dirty about hunting out of the state truck, since
Speaker 1: some hunters may think I am targeting them specifically because
Speaker 1: they are hunting in quote my spot, or I am
Speaker 1: taking quote their spot. I am very careful to not
Speaker 1: hunt the same place as I have recently checked other hunters.
Speaker 1: It may also blow my spots out because other hunters
Speaker 1: often think I know all the best spots.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts, he says, seeing a law enforcement
Speaker 2: truck parked in the woods made deter illegal activity. I
Speaker 2: think it would just deter activity in general. Even of
Speaker 2: like a law abiding fella. If you were like coming
Speaker 2: down you saw a law enforcement vehicle a trailhead, you
Speaker 2: could imagine all sorts of things are like taking place there.
Speaker 1: They're like, body, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think I'll just go hunt somewhere else. So I think,
Speaker 2: not just illegal activity, activity in general, folks are going
Speaker 2: to avoid you.
Speaker 4: I think it's kind of the same story of an
Speaker 4: outfitter not hunting in their outfitting concession.
Speaker 1: It's kind of it's.
Speaker 4: Kind of double dipping, even though the guy probably has
Speaker 4: pure motives. The guy's probably legit. It really wouldn't do
Speaker 4: any harm, but there's just too many, too many over
Speaker 4: I wouldn't do it because I feel like it would
Speaker 4: expose me to more scrutiny than I would want.
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 4: I just feel like I feel like in his community,
Speaker 4: it'd be hard to justify. I mean, because it's like
Speaker 4: you're having to explain to people, well, it's okay for
Speaker 4: me to use the company truck on my private time
Speaker 4: because that's part of my contract and that may not
Speaker 4: be a part of some I mean, there's just all
Speaker 4: these little fine details. I think it's I don't think
Speaker 4: it's the highest I don't think it's taken.
Speaker 1: The highest road.
Speaker 4: But you hate to hate to fault the guy for
Speaker 4: having to go to like a different county to hunt either. Like,
Speaker 4: I think he's a good guy. I don't think he's
Speaker 4: trying to cheat the system. But I don't I think
Speaker 4: it's a it's it's there's a little little drama in.
Speaker 2: There, maybe down on public land.
Speaker 4: What you take, Chili, Well, I mean he's on public land, right, No.
Speaker 6: I mean, if you if you're of the mindset where
Speaker 6: you don't feel like you have to explain yourself to everyone,
Speaker 6: like if you got the clearance, like whose business? Like
Speaker 6: it's it's not, it's like who am I to go
Speaker 6: up to him and be like, well can you do this?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 6: I think I'd be totally fine with it if I
Speaker 6: was a game warden FWP.
Speaker 4: But what if you were hunting then you saw this
Speaker 4: game warden coming out hunting all these spots, I'd.
Speaker 1: Be like, good for him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, like it's not.
Speaker 6: It's just one of those things that like I wouldn't
Speaker 6: personally ask questions about it. Yeah, I mean, like I'd
Speaker 6: see him and I'd probably just do see his truck
Speaker 6: and be like, Okay, well he's hunting, so I'm gonna
Speaker 6: go to the next spot. And then but like to
Speaker 6: your point, which you when you capped off everything, you know,
Speaker 6: the only reservation I do have about it, Like if
Speaker 6: it were me, would be like, okay, well, if I'm
Speaker 6: a game war everyone probably thinks I know where the
Speaker 6: game's at, and they probably have a better idea than
Speaker 6: most people where game's at. So I would be a
Speaker 6: little bit conservative about going out where a lot of
Speaker 6: people have access to you, because if that's like my
Speaker 6: honey hoole. I'd be concerned about other people want to
Speaker 6: hunt there, ye, But anything outside of that, I'd say,
Speaker 6: go for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, personally, mhmm. For the next one, what's Here's what
Speaker 1: I do. I'd take your regular rig and park it
Speaker 1: out at the entrance. Just leave it there, drive the
Speaker 1: take home truck whatever. When you hunt, pull out, park
Speaker 1: the work rig out of the entrance to the forest,
Speaker 1: at the office or whatever, hop in your take hop
Speaker 1: in your regular rig and hunt. You don't need to
Speaker 1: go all the way home. Leave the regular rig out there.
Speaker 1: You got a rig sitting somewhere anyway. Yeah, if you're
Speaker 1: going home and you need to go do something, it's
Speaker 1: not your take home responsibility, park that truck and jump
Speaker 1: in the other truck. But as far as you hunting, now,
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, man, I'm off in a whole other area.
Speaker 1: And I know I'm not telling them whether it's right
Speaker 1: or wrong. I'm telling him how just to make it
Speaker 1: a non issue.
Speaker 4: But then he's still using his own personal gas to
Speaker 4: go drive. When you know that that's the thing. He
Speaker 4: gets a take home truck, it means he can drive
Speaker 4: that truck wherever that's pretty big perk.
Speaker 1: Okay, but if you're worried about it, yeah, park a
Speaker 1: quad runner. His wife is like, drive the state park,
Speaker 1: your can Am park, whatever the hell, park your regular rig,
Speaker 1: park your whatever, your normal rig, I don't know, park
Speaker 1: something at that thing. And then when you when you
Speaker 1: switch the hunt mode, go grab your rig. In terms
Speaker 1: of hunting where you work, dude, it's like, come on,
Speaker 1: you can't you know not the It's like, you work there,
Speaker 1: that's great, it's public land, Go hunt it. Yeah you
Speaker 1: can't be like, well, I'm not. It's not right for
Speaker 1: me to hunt around where I work. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: if you worry about the truck, if you worry about
Speaker 1: the perceptions of the truck, just leave a different rig
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah. I haven't been there, so I'd have
Speaker 1: to go over there and look for him and show
Speaker 1: them where I think I choose your park. I'm just
Speaker 1: making the assumption that works right for this one.
Speaker 2: This next one doesn't even seem like a moral question.
Speaker 2: It seems like a legallant read it first, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You're right, he's thinking he's thinking morals when he should
Speaker 1: be thinking about getting himself in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good.
Speaker 1: Dear meat eater. I have lived in southern Utah for
Speaker 1: the last few years. I previously lived in Idaho and
Speaker 1: have a valid Idaho driver's license. I just moved to
Speaker 1: the Utah side of the Utah Idaho border, and in
Speaker 1: doing so renewed my combination license in Idaho, using my
Speaker 1: Idaho driver's license to purchase it as a resident. I
Speaker 1: also have a current resident combination license in Utah. My
Speaker 1: question for you is would it be unethical to listen? Buddy,
Speaker 1: sincerely A concern hunter. Okay, you have on you have
Speaker 1: on your hands, Just a simple black and white issue
Speaker 1: of call fishing game. I don't care which state you
Speaker 1: want to call it in Idaho or Utah and say, hey,
Speaker 1: how many states can I hunt as a resident in
Speaker 1: anyone given time and see what they say. The answer
Speaker 1: you will get is one.
Speaker 2: And states don't mess around to that. It's like tag
Speaker 2: draw season right now. When you go to log in
Speaker 2: to apply for a tag somewhere, the first question from
Speaker 2: every state asks you, like, are you a resident?
Speaker 1: You swear on your first or child? Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: got that, And it's like and here's their thing. If
Speaker 1: you get into the fine print. They spell out what
Speaker 1: a resident is in very clear detail, and it will
Speaker 1: be in a level of detail that exceeds that of
Speaker 1: which it requires to have a driver's license. There is
Speaker 1: no room if you look at what they mean when
Speaker 1: they say you're a resident. There is no room for
Speaker 1: you to even plausibly suggest you're of both states. A
Speaker 1: driver's being in possession of a driver's license that hasn't
Speaker 1: been punched or devalidated does not make you a legal
Speaker 1: resident of a state. It just means that you have
Speaker 1: a driver's license in your pocket. Mm hmm. It's like
Speaker 1: emblematic of residency, but that does not make a resident.
Speaker 2: He didn't leave his name.
Speaker 1: Listen, buddy, I'm not mad at you. You did the
Speaker 1: right thing by asking, but yeah, just be careful. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't even be walking. I wouldn't if I was you,
Speaker 1: I would figure out what is what and go back
Speaker 1: and and and clear it up and give that tag
Speaker 1: back and clarify that you shouldn't be in possession of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you don't even want to be holding resident tags
Speaker 1: from two states. Whether or not you validate him on
Speaker 1: an animal or not. Thanks everybody.
Speaker 10: Getting colder on the water, weather man, since it's gone raining,
Speaker 10: pier up the men.
Speaker 2: Cooda, I'm a trap. My rider never trust his word.
Speaker 10: Anyway.
Speaker 5: Hit the bast pro shop on my way through town,
Speaker 5: Rousters and panthers. It's going down, hamme down that boat rounch.
Speaker 1: Water up to my sin, fish hop biting.
Speaker 5: Real man.
Speaker 1: Able work week gets a sin?
Speaker 2: Where is my live?
Speaker 1: Begame?
Speaker 5: Locket praying for the wind? The fish shyp bidon.
Speaker 2: Real Amen, showing.
Speaker 1: This line here for hours.
Speaker 5: My realis shit and my rig won't spend. Got the
Speaker 5: Blue Mountains two devours the fish sharp bidon.
Speaker 7: Real man.
Speaker 5: Ffty five hour work week gets a scent?
Speaker 1: Where is my.
Speaker 5: Live big game?
Speaker 1: Lorna, keep praying for a wind?
Speaker 3: It's all bod real?
Speaker 5: Many five hour work weeks a sin?
Speaker 1: Where's my life begain?
Speaker 2: Lorna, keep praying for a wind? The fist at bat.
Speaker 7: Real?
Speaker 3: Where's abod this?
Speaker 1: Aboy?
Speaker 10: W's somebody fish allbody.
Speaker 1: Real?
Speaker 10: Amazing a song