1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: me Ben, and we're joined as always with our super producer, 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: all mission controlled decads. Most importantly, you are you. You 8 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 9 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: want you to know. While many folks maybe sunning on 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: the beach or spelunking in their favorite cavern system over 11 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: the weekends, we are hard at work in various strange 12 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: quarters of our fair metropolis of Atlanta, chasing down the 13 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: strange stories that do not make it to a lot 14 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: of mainstream news outlets. We call this strange news. We 15 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: do it every week. It runs the gamut. Today we're 16 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: going to run into something that fascinates me about the 17 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: natural world. We're going to run into organized crime abroad, 18 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: both in Turkey and in El Salvador. And gentlemen, if 19 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: you're okay with it, I'd like us to start with 20 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: El Salvador today. This is sort of breaking news. It's 21 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: an ongoing story. Yeah, definitely, let's start there. But I 22 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: do want to know from everyone out there, how many 23 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: of you actually went spelunking over the weekend, Like, seriously, 24 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: that is such a cool activity. More of us should 25 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: be doing it. I'm hoping that at least a few 26 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: of you can write to us with an experience. That's 27 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: the cave one, right, like in that movie The Descent, 28 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: only maybe minus the bloodthirsty, anibalistic underground humanoid dwellers Chud's 29 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: Maybe the cavern systems of the world are surprisingly unexplored 30 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: because it's pretty dangerous to go down there. In fact, 31 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: cave diving is the more extreme of those sports. But yeah, Mada, 32 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm a big fan in cave exploration 33 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: and would uh I would love to get I would 34 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: love to get back down there soon. But you know, 35 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: it's always like a hole to do, especially if you 36 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: want to go the cool part. You have to wait 37 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: till the cavern closes. You gotta hide, you gotta have 38 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: all your stuff, and of course you have to be 39 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: armed because of those descendants. Uh, we're not telling you 40 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: to break into caves. That's how we should start, That's 41 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: that's what we should make clear for everyone, but also 42 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: to be clear, they could be ascendants. I mean, who knows, Yeah, 43 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: they could, you know it. Maybe it depends on the outlook. 44 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: Do you see yourself as an ascendant or a descendant? 45 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: Do you see the glass of your evolution half full 46 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: or half empty? Uh? Story for another day Today, folks 47 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: follow conspiracy realists. Breaking news over the weekend, A fifty 48 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: one year old man named Hugo Ernesto Osorio Chavez, retired 49 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: police officer in that country, was detained earlier this month 50 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: on suspicion of murdering a woman and her daughter. He 51 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: had previously been investigated for sex crimes that had not 52 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: stuck for any You could argue this is for any 53 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: number of reasons. Of course, the more cynical of us 54 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: in the audience will say, uh, corruption had to be involved, right. 55 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: Perhaps there was that line of blue silence and inherent 56 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: aversion to prosecuting one of their own. But he confessed 57 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: to killing these two people as always uh. Chaves. His 58 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: neighbors described him as, you know, a quiet person, implying 59 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: that he didn't really mess with anyone, that he generally 60 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: kept to himself. And around eleven pm on May seven, 61 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: as reported by The Washington Post and La Prince Garfica H, 62 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: a twenties six year old woman named Jacqueline Lima ran 63 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: out of chaves His home, pleading for help before the 64 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: policeman allegedly killed her and her mother. Me and Lima 65 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: is fifty seven and Lima had given Osario Chaves seven 66 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: grand to the US equivalent to take her brother to 67 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: the US. This is per the grandfather, so that's the 68 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: mother and the daughter who were killed. The boy's body 69 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: was one of two that were found inside a septic tank. 70 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: UH And so far, Chavez hasn't been charged in connection 71 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: with those two murders, but it seems to be on 72 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: the way. Forensic teams searched his house and they discovered 73 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: at least seven pits containing bodies, some which may have 74 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: been barre eight as long as two years ago. As 75 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: we record, the excavations are under way. Prosecutors have issued 76 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: arrest warrants for nine other suspects on the belief that 77 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: they may have acted as accomplices. UH. These suspects include 78 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: other former cops and traffickers, human traffickers, and former soldiers 79 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: as well. This is pretty this is pretty insane and 80 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: it's strange that it's not making the rounds more in 81 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: Western news given the breakthroughs in genetic research that allows 82 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: us to hunt down killers then also allow us to 83 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: bring some peace to the relatives of cold case victims. 84 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: And right now, like as we're recording this, there are 85 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: dozens and dozens of people in El Salvador who are 86 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: wondering whether they're missing relatives, could be, you know, whether 87 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: they're remains could be in this Charnel house. Had you 88 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: guys heard about this at all when I think it 89 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: broken the West over the weekend. They've been going on 90 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: for a few days. Yeah. I popped in my news 91 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: feed and it was a little confusing because it was 92 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: coinciding with a few other things that were happening in 93 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: Al Salvador that I just had my ear to the 94 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: ground about and I couldn't believe when I actually got 95 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: this full story, the one from the Guardian, I think 96 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: this is the one, at least the one that I'm 97 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: thinking about. Um, yeah, I just it. It reminds me 98 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: of some of the other instances that we've looked at 99 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: before with the iron uncaught serial killers, where where all 100 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, in somebody's backyard like this, 101 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: just the bodies are found and in the connection to 102 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: police is really astounding and into terrifying. Actually, um yeah, 103 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: but think about think about suspects like Joseph James Angelo, right, 104 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: former security guard, former police officer. I believe if the results, 105 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: the problem is that you know, in the course of 106 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: that profession, individuals will receive training that can you know, 107 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: be reverse engineered to teach you how to not get caught. 108 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: But this guy, some of the chatter I'm hearing is 109 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: arguing that he that he was doing uh hits for 110 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: higher but then also at a personal love So a 111 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: couple of these were passion projects. There there are the 112 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: story gets told and kind of a reductive way. I 113 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: think part of that is because you know, people don't 114 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: hear about El Salvador all the time in the western 115 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: news right or in the US. It's a pretty small country, 116 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: the populations about six point seven million. This is being 117 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: tied in the media with the ongoing problem in Central 118 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: South America as well as Mexico with what's called femicide, 119 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: the intentional murder of women or people identifying as women. 120 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: And there was something else that happened. Matt that mundyed 121 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: the water is a little bit more. In Mexico this week, 122 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: a seventy two year old man was arrested as a 123 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: suspected serial killer. So maybe maybe that's where parts of 124 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: mine understanding got crossed as I'm like reading some of 125 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: these stories back to back. Yeah, that that story is 126 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: messed up too, from the way I understand it. Uh, 127 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: the killer in Mexico was not captured as part of 128 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: an investigation woman that he would later go on to 129 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: kill maybe his last victim. Cinetext to her husband saying 130 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: she was going to do a quick errand at the 131 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: house of the man who layer turned up to be 132 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: the killer, and when she didn't make it back the guy, Uh, 133 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: there's a police officer went to the house, asked for killer, 134 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: lied to him, said she wasn't there. He waits another day, 135 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: he comes back and he asked again. He's getting a 136 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: spidy sense. He feels like something's off, so he gets 137 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: into the house. He enters the house and he unfortunately 138 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: finds the cadaver of his wife and catching tables. Some 139 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: of her limbs have been removed. Geez jees. And this 140 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: is this is strange because being a police officer. Not 141 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: only is this guy in Mexico restrained the killer, he 142 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: calls for backup and that's like the only way they 143 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: would have caught him. Ever, And can you imagine I 144 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: I have a difficult time imagining the self control involved, 145 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I think many of us 146 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: listening now you know you have to you have to 147 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: seriously ask yourself, would you have that level of self control? 148 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: I don't know many people who would. Yeah, that's definitely 149 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: a what's in the box situation? Um, and this might 150 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: the water is back at the same time here in 151 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: El Salvador got this uh, this other guy. And it 152 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: looks like from sources reporting in El Salvador, it looks 153 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: like the story being told in the West is a 154 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: little bit reductive because he did allegedly get paid to 155 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: kill people. There was a high level of organization. Apparently 156 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: his passion project was involved targeting children on social media 157 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: and then murdering them. So there's a lot of this 158 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: is on a completely different levels sort of how the 159 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: iceman was a serial killer but also a successful professional 160 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: hit man. The the news because this guy Chavez, apparently 161 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: he attempted to kill himself, attempted to slash his wrist 162 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: before he could be taken in. But yeah, he he 163 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: confessed those two murders. Um At this point, prosecutors believe 164 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: the victims may include children as young as to uh. 165 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: He Chavez himself is currently alive, but Western sources couldn't 166 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: get in touch with him or his lawyer for a 167 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: comment because you know, he'll have an appointed lawyer. Uh. 168 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: But it looks like there's much more to this story, 169 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: you know. That's that's the thing that I think, Well, 170 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: any loss of life is a tragedy, but that's the 171 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: thing that makes this one especially abhorrent. There were people 172 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: working with him for a number of years, which means 173 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: that there is conspiracy inherent, which means that our next 174 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: question has to be, you know, how far up does 175 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: it go up? How far up the chain does it go? Right? 176 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: Like in True Detective One of the reasons, and that's 177 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: a work of fiction, obviously, but one of the reasons 178 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: prosecution was so unsuccessful was because of the powerful ties 179 00:11:54,679 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: that the murderers had with local and state level government. 180 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: It and in the Detroit affair in Belgium, one of 181 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: the reasons that thirty thousand people marched in the street 182 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: was because they were certain that it wasn't just a 183 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: single sick individual committing these crimes, was a network. There 184 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: were fingers on a hand, and there were some powerful 185 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: fingers on that hand. And this, you know, stories like this. 186 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't become exploited. I hope it doesn't. 187 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it will inevitably become Some will do a 188 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: story or or there may be a documentary. But this 189 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: is something, you know, I think all three of us 190 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: can agree. This is something that we think about a 191 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: lot outside of our show. We've worked on a number 192 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: of true crime shows separately. And is that a consideration 193 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: that you guys have when you're working on true crime show? 194 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: Like how to tell the story without being exploitative? Sure? 195 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: I mean, how how to tell the story without being 196 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: exploitative and also how to you know, treat it like 197 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: the dramatic piece of you know, content that it needs 198 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: to be and also give respect to everybody and not 199 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: be too like leading people on or to false cliffhanger 200 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: a kind of. It is a delicate balance, for sure. 201 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: And so just a few more details. Again, this story 202 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: is ongoing. I would highly recommend checking out the earlier 203 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: piece on the Daily beast that needs that has allowed 204 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: me to give some more updates. It was originally two pits, 205 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: but ultimately they found eight separate pits, and they believe 206 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: there could be more than a dozen bodies in each 207 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: of the pits. The prosecutor leading the investigation believes the 208 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: these attacks hinged on sexual violence UH and that there 209 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: may have been a sex and murder ring involved. So again, 210 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: conspiracy and this is not just people talking on some 211 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: internet forum. This is UH. These come from statements of 212 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: people like the police chief, Richio Ariza Chicash, and he 213 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: also confirmed that they were finding people on social media 214 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: and seeking them out and luring them with what he 215 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: says was quote the American dream. As it stands now, 216 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: this crime scene investigation is not gonna be It's gonna 217 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: take at least a month. There are simply so many 218 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: people involved. So I don't want to say too much 219 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: more about it other than be safe if you or 220 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: loved ones reside in El Salvador. I'd love to hear 221 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: more about how people are reporting this story and what 222 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: you think is going to happen, and what what locals 223 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: think about this and what it means for the future. 224 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: This occurred in Chaochopa, which is about fifty miles away 225 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: from San Salvador. So let us know conspiracy and I 226 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: Heart radio dot com three std W y t K. 227 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna pause for word from our sponsors and we'll 228 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: be back with more strange news and we're back with 229 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: some insect related news MS and wildlife we're gonna talk 230 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: about today. Um, guys, we have talked several times in 231 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: the past about these fruiting funguses that can infect ants, 232 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: for example. And it's essentially like a um parasitic fungus 233 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: that infects certain creatures and causes them to act against 234 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: their own best interest. Um. They're all kinds of examples 235 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: of this in nature. UM, but these fungal ones are 236 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: particularly grizzly because they're called fruiting bodies, right. Um. So 237 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: essentially a fungus gets inside the creature being infected and 238 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: grows out of their of them, their their heads and ants, 239 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: for example. UM. And it actually in the ants. One 240 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: of the court accepts, I believe is that one where 241 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: it causes these ants to climb up tall grass. Uh. 242 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: And then the fruit and bodies kind of like go 243 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: out further to essentially make them taller and make them 244 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: more easily consumed by predators UM, who are then also infected, 245 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: and it causes the propagation of these of fungi. Um. 246 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: This one has got a lot of interesting twists. UM. 247 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: So we here in Georgia are very familiar with cicadas. 248 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: There those little critters that leave behind these fully um 249 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: you know, formed exoskeletons on trees that are really cool. 250 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: Actually have a friend who's a metal worker who was 251 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: able to take one of those and forge it into 252 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: a piece of jewelry, which is pretty cool and managed 253 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: to not destroy it. Can make like a wax mold 254 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: out of it. But um, it turns out that cicadas, uh, 255 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: particularly um the genus called magic Cicada, which I think 256 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: there's actually an electronic music group out of Atlanta called 257 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: Magic Cicada. Um, it really applies, It's very appropriate in 258 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: this particular story. Um. They have a really really bizarre 259 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 1: our life cycle. Um. We are approaching fast. Uh. The 260 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: end of a life's are actually a very key moment 261 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: in the life cycle of these creatures. UM. They actually 262 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: spend about seventeen years underground, approximately like thirteen seventeen years 263 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: I believe underground um where they grow into adolescence and 264 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: then they emerge on mass like from the soil. Uh. 265 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: Just you know, millions and millions of these things, billions 266 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: even um, and we are about to see that. And 267 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,479 Speaker 1: this is what's being described our catalog as brood X. 268 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: The X is apparently just a Roman Roman numeral ten, 269 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: but it makes it sound really cool. Um. When we 270 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: go into like the rest of the details of this 271 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: particular um kind of I guess class of cicadas. So 272 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: when they emerge, they are emerging specifically to spawn or 273 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: to to mate. Female cicada as rub their wings together 274 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: in a certain way that creates a certain sound. We 275 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: know that sound very well. And then male cicadas are 276 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: attracted by that and they mate um kind of willy 277 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: nilly with these female cicadas that are that are making 278 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: these sounds. Um. Well, this particular group of cicadas UM, 279 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: something a little different going on. There has been essentially 280 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: a fungus like I was talking about called massa spora 281 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,239 Speaker 1: that is actually laced with the same chemical that you 282 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:39,479 Speaker 1: find in psychedelic mushroom psilocybin, and it also produces certain 283 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: compounds found in the amphetamine Cathinone which was in the 284 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: news years ago, um because of people doing things like 285 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: eating faces and just going generally insane um on something 286 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: called bath salts that was available for a brief period 287 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: of time in your local you know, weed store or 288 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: like head shop or whatever you wanna call it back then. 289 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: So this, in addition to the psilocybin is present in 290 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: the soil and in these in this fun guy and 291 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: the fun guy infects the cicadas, the male cicadas, uh, 292 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: and then when they emerge, UM, a little bit of 293 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: time passes and essentially these fruiting bodies start to kind 294 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: of burst out of the midsection of the abdomen of 295 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: the cicadas. It also because of the psilocybin and because 296 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: of all these other things that are at play, they're 297 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: already really you know, ready to ready to mingle. You know, 298 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: they're they're super The whole purpose of their emergence is 299 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: to procreate. But because of these added substances, they are 300 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: essentially horny to the point of mania. They are so 301 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: ready to mate and then just absolutely ravenous with you know, desire. 302 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna anthromorphize a little bit um that 303 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: they they can just it increases their longevity. They and 304 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,959 Speaker 1: just go and go and go like energizer bunny style. Um. 305 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: But here's the problem. That fruiting body that emerges, it 306 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: actually causes their genitals to drop off. So they're really 307 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: really into the idea of mating and they do it ravenously, 308 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: but it's to no end. It's like you know, banging 309 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: two sticks together or something. There's there's no purchase, doesn't 310 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: go anywhere because there's nothing there. Uh. Not only that 311 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: it gets in their heads for lack of a better 312 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: term or way to describe it, and it causes the 313 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: male cicadas to rub their wings together like female cicadas, 314 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: so they're attracting healthy male cicadas who then engage in 315 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, coitas I guess copulation with these um mangled 316 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: uh and can very confused and highly um randy male cicadas. Uh. 317 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: And it infects them. So uh, it's it's a whole thing, man, 318 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: It certainly is a thing. I'm a little confused. I'm 319 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: reading an article on Vice, and I'm a little confused 320 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: about some of the reporting because I guess I don't 321 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: know enough about the anatomy of these insects. Because it's 322 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: describing how the lower part of their abdomen is the 323 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: part that ends up getting you know, removed with the 324 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: fungal fungal budding occurring in that same space, but they 325 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: are able to you know, to mate or the they 326 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: go through the motions of mating. I suppose the thing 327 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: that was puzzling to me is that Vice is saying 328 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: that this fungus is sexually transmitted. So I'm wondering if 329 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: it's similar to castration and that the I don't even 330 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: know how to put this in insect terms, but the 331 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: cells needed to actually procreate are gone, but the maybe 332 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: instrument used to the instrument used to procreate is still there. 333 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: Well essentially, I mean the fungus is placing the instrument 334 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: used to procreate. It fills up the same space. It 335 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: acts it almost like you know, it's as it's it's 336 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: a stand in for the genitals. The genitals fall off, 337 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: but then this fruited body protrudes out, so it's like, 338 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, you can get herpies without having penetrative intercourse. 339 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: You can get it just from like shedding, like you know, 340 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: cells shedding or whatever, so you can even if it 341 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: comes in contact with the genitals you can still get 342 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: the disease and you don't necessarily have to go through 343 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: the full process of of mating, you know, if that 344 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: makes sense. Um, So that's what's happening. It's essentially going 345 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 1: to cause this you know, absolute feeding frenzy. Um. Not 346 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: to mention that they're also this is going to be 347 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: the largest group of these insects to emerge um during 348 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: one of these cycles in a long long time. We're 349 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: talking about I saw trillions, um at the very least billions, 350 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: and apparently Maryland is where it's gonna be the densest. 351 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: So I saw a figure it was something like one 352 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: point five million cicicadas per square mile. Yeah, so that's 353 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: gonna be a thing to behold. Um. And again, these 354 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: creatures their only purpose is to make they live underground 355 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: for the majority of their life cycle. Once they successfully mate, 356 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: I guess in the same way that a bee when 357 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: it stings you, it dies, Um, they drop dead. They 358 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: have fulfilled their life's mission, which just to create more 359 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: of themselves. Uh, to create more of themselves, And that's 360 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: also what this fungus wants. So I just think it's 361 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: such an interesting story because it's like it's such an 362 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: example of like the absolute ferocity of the kind of like, uh, 363 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: the goal of nature, which is to make more of itself, 364 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: you know, like like like like a disease, like cancer, 365 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: like anybody that if you want to boil everything down 366 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: to like the basest concerns of of life, it's to 367 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: make more of itself, even if it's something that's absolutely destructive. UM, 368 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: like this fungus is ben have you have you had 369 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: much experience with the life cycle of the cicada, and 370 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: and it's something that we certainly here. Uh, you can't 371 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: avoid it just being outside on a summer night in Georgia. 372 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: But I certainly was not aware of the kind of 373 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: dire uh and kind of nihilistic life cycle of these creatures. 374 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: It's interesting because the well we're talking about, I guess 375 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: the fancy name would be periodical cicadas because they come 376 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: out We're talking seventeen years cycle cicadas this time around. Uh, 377 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: they're also thirteen year cycle cicadas. UM. A lot of 378 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: my previous research on these sorts of mind controlling parasites, 379 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: from toxoplasmosis gandhi to UH court accepts and other things, 380 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: A lot of it centered on my fascination with their 381 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: specificity of evolution because they are uh. Because Massapora cicadina 382 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:02,719 Speaker 1: uh specifically only infects those thirteen in seventeen year periodical cicadas, 383 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: which makes you wonder what else, like what it does 384 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: for those other years. We know it's we know it's 385 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: life cycle. Is is crazy, but it's it's like, um, 386 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: it's like those Halloween stores in a way because for 387 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: the majority of uh, you know it's life cycle. If 388 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: that's the year of a Halloween store, it's it's dormant. 389 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: It doesn't become active. It moves when the cicadas move. 390 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: And the thing is a lot of these poor cicada 391 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: guys are doomed before they even come out as adults. 392 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: It starts. It's like a cradle to the grave thing 393 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: for real, because they get infected by fungal spores as 394 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: they're digging into the ton the soil surface, days before 395 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: they emerge as adults. So I guess the important part 396 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: to put out here is it's not as if they 397 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: emerge normal and healthy and then get in fact it 398 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: immediately uh. They're they're called who was I think it was? 399 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: Angie Massiest described these as salt shakers of death once 400 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: they get infected and they're exacting their fungal spores against everybody. Yeah, 401 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: salt shakers of Death is fabulous. And there's a really 402 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: good quote from uh Elizabeth Barnes Um from Purdue University 403 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: in West Lafayette. Uh. And she's talking to Live Science. 404 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: As she said, fungus is in the genus Massaspora affect 405 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: many different species of cicada, but massa Spora cicadina is 406 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: specialized the periodical cicada genus magic cicada, like you were saying, 407 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: ben Um. So it's really fascinating. As she goes on 408 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: to say, this species of fungus is actually the only 409 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: pathogen or predator that specializes on periodical cicadas. It's life 410 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: cycle lines up pretty neatly to the cicadas. Most of 411 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: the time. In the insect world, any given species of 412 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 1: insect will have many organisms that specialize on eating or 413 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: infecting them. It's very unusual for a whole genus of 414 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: insect to have only one of these. So it's fascinating 415 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: on multiple levels. Um. Not to mention the way humans 416 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: potentially might UH engage with this situation. There's talk of 417 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: potentially eating these insects, which we know that's kind of 418 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: becoming a little bit in vogue or has been for 419 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: for many years, but sources of protein have kind of 420 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: been limited to things like chickens and pigs and and cows, 421 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: you know, in the West, and that's largely because of 422 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, colonization stuff, whereas like a lot of indigenous 423 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: people have have eaten insects for you know, centuries, UM, 424 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: like grasshoppers, which are still popular in UH in Mexico, 425 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: for example, like as a extra filling in tacos or 426 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: even like that, being like just the staple like you 427 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: can get like a grasshopper taco or a grasshopper um 428 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: based dish. UM. So the idea is if you eat 429 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: one of these, you might have an altered state kind 430 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: of experience, because it is really the same thing that 431 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 1: is in psilocybin mushrooms UM. Of course, the expert are 432 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: warning against doing this because this, after all, is a 433 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: pathogen um and you don't really know what you're gonna 434 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: get UM. But it is interesting, of course to see 435 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: how industrious human species is and trying to get high. 436 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: It feels like you could, uh, if you were so 437 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: inclined build some kind of cicada mating trap to get 438 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: all of the uh, horny tripping cicadas into it. And 439 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: then hey, there you go. You've got a drug empire 440 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: on your hands. A fire island for cicadas. I heard 441 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: it described also as like a burning man situation for cicadas. 442 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: And uh, there's another researcher named Matt Casson who is 443 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: a sociate professor of forest pathology and mycology at West 444 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: Virginia University, and he, uh, he said that don't worry 445 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: too much about the cicadas themselves. They're not in any pain. 446 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: He says. Everybody's having a good time while they're infected, 447 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: So I don't imagine there's much pain. Maybe a desire 448 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: to listen to the Grateful Dead or something like that, 449 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: but no pain. Waca, waca waca. Um. Yeah. And then 450 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,479 Speaker 1: the Vice article that that you mentioned, Matt goes on 451 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: to talk about this idea of eating these and then 452 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: there's a quote they grabbed from the Guardian Um talking 453 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: to to Casson again and he said there's always a 454 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: risk in eating cicadas. Pump filled with amphetam. He said, Uh, 455 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: that was just one of a thousand compounds we found 456 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: in the cicadas, and we don't know what those other 457 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: compounds are capable of doing to humans, So tread lightly 458 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: when when looking for foraging for psychedelic cicadas. Yes, and 459 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: nothing on this show should ever be taken as medical advice. 460 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: You know that, So don't eat cicadas. That's what we're 461 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: saying officially. Uh. And that Vice article also has a 462 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: link to a video that they produced about this very thing. 463 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: It was occurring in the population that emerged last year, 464 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: and it's actually got an animation of what it looks 465 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: like when the lower abdomen falls off in that fungal 466 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: plug kind of exists. It really does. The whole back 467 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: end really does fall off in this plug exists just 468 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: right at the top of the cicada. It's fascinating to 469 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: see it that way. I don't know how accurate it is, 470 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: but I assume that it is at least somewhat representative 471 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: of what occurs. Worth looking at if you have any 472 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: questions in your mind. After we talked about him, I 473 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: also saw a kind of Uh, there's a study. Um. 474 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: They're they're quite a few um called. One of them 475 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: is called behavioral betrayal. How select fungal parasites enlist living 476 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: insects to do their bidding. And one of the researchers 477 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: is named Brian Lovett, and he was also quoted in 478 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: several of these pieces just talking about in general how 479 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: the cicada isn't acting in its own interest, it is 480 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: acting in the interest of the fungus to propagate it um. 481 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: And there was a diagram in that study that kind 482 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,959 Speaker 1: of shows the life cycle and how this process happens. 483 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: It really does happen underground, like you were saying, Ben, 484 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: and the ones that don't get infected because of the 485 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: soil or wherever they are, you know, brooded up. Um. 486 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: That's the whole goal is to infect as many of 487 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: them as possible, so the infected ones will then seek 488 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: out the non infected ones because they are essentially rewired 489 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: to behave like female cicadas. So keep an ear out 490 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: if you're in the Maryland area or really anywhere. Um. 491 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: It's it's around fifteen states or so, you know, up 492 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: the eastern seaboard. Uh, and we're gonna definitely have a 493 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: ton of them here, um. But it should be a 494 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: site to behold. I wonder if what it's gonna. I mean, 495 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: you don't really ever see them because they're in the trees. 496 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: They do all this mating stuff in the trees, so 497 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: you really just hear all that sound and that's, you know, 498 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: the sound of of basically a psychedelic orgy. And just 499 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: to speak directly to you, uh, parents who decided to 500 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: build a giant treehouse this year over the summer. I'm sorry, 501 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: I'm really really sorry. It just wasn't It just wasn't 502 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: the year for it. So let's keep an eye on 503 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: this and an ear out for uh, this absolute feeding 504 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: frenzy that's gonna go on. And um, we'll take a 505 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: quick break and be back with some more strange news. 506 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: And we're back, and we're taking a journey over to 507 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: the country of Turkey. We're gonna begin by reading a 508 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: New York Times article, or at least mentioning a New 509 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: York Times article titled claims from an organized crime boss 510 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: rock Turkey's government. Interesting. I'm gonna give you this is 511 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: what I wrote down, and I believe this comes from 512 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: the article. In a series of videos over two weeks, 513 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: this person that we're going to talk about, who was 514 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: found guilty in two thousand seven of organized criminal activity 515 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: and is wanted again by the Turkish police. Has flung 516 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: accusations of rape, drug dealing, and suspicious deaths against officials 517 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: close to president or a gun and that is, uh, 518 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: the president of Turkey, by the way, okay, President, Well, 519 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: I mean he was prime minister for a good long while, 520 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: they're in the early two thousand's, and now he's president, 521 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: and I think I think he wishes to see his 522 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: reign continue on for at least a few years so 523 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: they can hit that one year mark for Turkey and 524 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: he can be celebrated as that guy. But it's a 525 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: weird situation going on in Turkey right now. And this 526 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: one organized crime boss or you know, mafia boss as 527 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: he's been referred to in a lot of different places. 528 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: He's an interesting character. We're gonna talk about him, uh, 529 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: And I would caution anyone from making fun of his name. 530 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: His name is Sadat Pecare p e k e er. 531 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: It is in English, looks like pecker, but it is 532 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: not that. I just had a tiny little scoff. Yeah, 533 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm gonna leave it at that. I've 534 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: got my giggles out. Thank you for setting that up. 535 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: It doesn't. It doesn't have the scene, but it is. 536 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: It's still. It's still if you look at it, it's 537 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: a childishly looks that way. But we're getting that out 538 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: of our system. Not to be confused with the other 539 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: Turkish crime lord Sidet Wiener King, totally different guy. Okay, alright, 540 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go through this. I'm gonna read you 541 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: how this person said. Dot Pecaire is described by various 542 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 1: news outlets. You ready. According to al Monitor a l 543 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: Dash Monitor, uh, he is forty nine years old and 544 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: he's been at the intersection of media politics and Islamist 545 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: networks for over a decade now. And the media outlet 546 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: Arab News describes him as a quote ultra and nationalist 547 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: Turkish mafia leader now living in Dubai, so in the 548 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: Arab Emirates. And according to Al Monitor again, he quote 549 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: gained national fame in when he threatened to bathe in 550 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 1: the blood of so called old peace academics. There is 551 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: a group of people who had signed this thing called 552 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: the Academics for Peace Initiative, and he declared them terrorists. 553 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: And uh there was a criminal a criminal case that 554 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: was brought against him for those accusations and those threats, 555 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: but he was acquitted. And then here is my favorite one. 556 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,959 Speaker 1: This is again from AL Monitor. I hope I'm saying 557 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: that right. Maybe it's a l Monitor. I think it's 558 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: an ALA monitor. Um. There's a professor of national security 559 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: affairs at the Naval post Graduate School in Monterey, California 560 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: named Ryan jen Jeris or Jan Garis. He he is 561 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 1: quoted in this al Monitor article is saying Pecaire has 562 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: made the headlines for his activities in the last decade, 563 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: but we really don't know what he really does, what 564 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: are his businesses, or who he is for that matter. 565 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: And it's a very interesting thing. As I'm going through 566 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: a ton of articles to try and read more about 567 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: this person, there really is almost nothing like is he 568 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 1: someone who's overseeing some kind of drug empire, some kind 569 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: of weapons running, you know, system, some like one other thing? 570 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: Is it? What organized crime? Is he the head of? 571 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: That makes him a mafia quote boss? That then makes 572 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 1: him such a prominent figure because he's been he's had 573 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,919 Speaker 1: photographs taken with very famous people in public places, doing 574 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: public things, as though he's a prominent figure of some sort. 575 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of mystery about him. Still it 576 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: sounds almost like could be tied up with state level actors, 577 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: like there might be some gun running money or some 578 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: intelligence agencies. But it is really weird because even if 579 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: you're a high profile enough criminal to escape to another 580 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: place like where when he fled to Romania, I believe 581 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: even if you're that high profile, not well off, it's 582 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: still rare for you to be visited by politicians in 583 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: that Yes, right, Yes, there's so much to get into 584 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: with this guy and the the things that he is 585 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: both alleging and like the people that he just, like 586 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: Ben said, rubs elbows with. So this is what's been happening. 587 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: He has been posting multiple hour long videos on his 588 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: YouTube channel, okay, and we're I think there are five 589 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: in total videos of this kind that he has posted 590 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 1: thus far as we're recording this. Uh, but he's been 591 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: making allegations against so many high level people in Turkey 592 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: that it's just astounding. Um, you may ask, well, what 593 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: is he alleging? Could it really be that bad? Yes? So, 594 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: according to The New York Times, he has accused or 595 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: he has said that the government has been involved with 596 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: the illegal seizure of a marina by a government insider, 597 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: and then they ended up using that marina that they 598 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: took over essentially specifically for drug trafficking, so state sponsored 599 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: drug drug trafficking. He is accused one individual and a 600 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: few other people being associated with this individual of murdering 601 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 1: a woman there at least blaming them for the death 602 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: of a woman who filed a sexual assault complaint against 603 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: a very high level lawmaker within the sitting government, so 604 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: Urgan's people. Essentially. Um, he even is talking about some 605 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: crimes that he says he did himself or his organization 606 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: carried out, but at but they were done at the 607 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: request of a high level lawmaker or politician within the 608 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: standing government right now. Uh And it's including like physical 609 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: like actual physical assault of people, so like hey, we 610 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: need you or your your heavies to go in and 611 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: take care of some stuff. Make sure this person isn't 612 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 1: going to do what they're planning on doing. It's pretty 613 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: intense stuff. Uh well, and remember that whole thing we 614 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: talked about in it's something that he said publicly that 615 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 1: he's going to bathe in the blood all these academics. 616 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 1: He alleges that that's one of the things that he 617 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 1: was asked to do or you know, compensated to do 618 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 1: in some way or another. I see that makes sense. 619 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: I mean Turkey is is always been in a really 620 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,399 Speaker 1: strange and unique position. Right, even even before the rise 621 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: of the Ottoman Empire, it was seen as fairly or 622 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: unfairly the bridge between the East and the West, right 623 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 1: Asia and Europe and Erda. God is very very conscious 624 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:51,839 Speaker 1: of that idea and it's something that motivates his geopolitical activities, right. 625 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: But also um, the issue is that for a number 626 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: of years his opponents will argue that he has been 627 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: losing in power. He made what some saw as a 628 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: bit of a devil's bargain in when he got support 629 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: from the nationalist movement, which includes some old networks of 630 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: people associated with organized crime, you know, in addition of 631 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: far right nationalists. He was trying to build this political coalition, 632 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: shore up domestic support. And for a guy who made 633 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: who became so well known pre for cleaning up those 634 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: networks that have been around for a long long time, 635 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 1: it seems that maybe he does not me saying it, 636 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: Maybe it's his opponents saying it. Maybe turned into the 637 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: monster he was hunting. You know, this is this is 638 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: very possible. But that's what pack Are thinks. Pecker excuse me, 639 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,760 Speaker 1: Pare is uh yeah, he's got an an automatic weapon, 640 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: an assault rifle full of whatever these truth bombs that 641 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: sent it out. He's just let him fly. And by 642 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: the way, his videos are getting millions and millions and 643 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 1: millions of views. I think one of them had four 644 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: to five million when I last checked it. If you're 645 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 1: an English speaker and you can undunderstand us, maybe you 646 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: won't be able to understand what he's saying, but you 647 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: can through YouTube get the subtitles auto translated by Google. 648 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: It's clunky, like really clunky, but you should be able 649 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: to understand some of the statements, and then you can 650 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 1: match that up with some of the reporting that's happening, 651 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: because for each of these videos, there are stories being 652 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,399 Speaker 1: written about it in English that you will be able 653 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: to read. And you can get the gist too from 654 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: from those automated translations. But you should. I think if 655 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: you dig in the right places you can find uh 656 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: slightly better transcription attempts. Just I would say read it 657 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: might be your friend for some of those spots I 658 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: can't remember. All would recommend Arab News Uh. The Turkish 659 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: Minute has some really interesting write ups. That album. A 660 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: l dash Monitor has some great stuff written in there. 661 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 1: And by the way, there's so many allegations we're not 662 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: gonna be able to talk about all of them right now. 663 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: But Ben Nollan, I don't know if it's worth it. 664 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: I think it would be probably to go through kind 665 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: of this saga to see the future of Turkey, like 666 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,359 Speaker 1: what's happening right now? What do these allegations actually mean? Absolutely, 667 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: because we can look back in the nineties too. I 668 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,400 Speaker 1: think it was or ninety six. I think it was 669 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: ninety six when there was a journalist that was shot 670 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: dead in there, like right in front of their house. 671 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: And there's a scandal that occurred because it appears that 672 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: it was done somehow in conjunction with state actors and 673 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: organized crime organized criminals. Uh. And then there's this car 674 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: crash that occurred where again like a state actor and 675 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,839 Speaker 1: an organized crime member were like found in a car. 676 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,800 Speaker 1: Where there's a bad car crash, and there's the links 677 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: between the state and these organized criminals. It's very closely knit. 678 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 1: It seems to be connected very closely. And if that's 679 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 1: one of the things that's it's driven the need and 680 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: the want for change in Turkey for a long time. 681 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,919 Speaker 1: And like you said, Ben, it appears that the transformation 682 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: is now complete to the thing that they didn't want 683 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, and uh Turkish police not to be outdone, 684 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: I think just arrested Sadat's brother uh In in what 685 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,839 Speaker 1: is clearly not retaliation. It's just that they suddenly had 686 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: a new lead on a botched mission to kill a 687 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: journalist and peace activists twenty five years ago. I think 688 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 1: that might be the thing I'm mentioning right here, right 689 00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 1: right um Sadat makes claims that at least two investigative 690 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: journalists were targeted, right Ugar Mumtu and Kutlu a Dolly 691 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,839 Speaker 1: and a Dolly. I believe as the person we're we're 692 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: talking about now, he was the one who was shot 693 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 1: dead in front of his house. But after that, it's 694 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 1: just interesting to me that after Sadat says all these things, 695 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: his brother gets arrested for one of the assassination attempts 696 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,400 Speaker 1: that he himself described. Right, And there's this, there's this 697 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,880 Speaker 1: whole other thing that's I think a little more tabloid 698 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: e than anything else. But there's a rivalry between some 699 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: high level officials and Pacare because because law enforcement officials 700 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: rated one of his homes I believe in Turkey, and 701 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: Pecaire didn't like how it was handled because if that's 702 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,839 Speaker 1: where his wife and I believe children or child they 703 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 1: both lived there, and there were there were statements made 704 00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: about his wife's underwear drawer, and it was is this 705 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: cultural taboo where male UH law enforcement officers went through 706 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,879 Speaker 1: his wife's I guess underwear drawer rather than having a 707 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: female officer do that, um, and it became a big 708 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 1: point of contention. It just thought it was interesting, but 709 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's even worth mentioning. But it's 710 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: almost like just an insult to him on purpose. That's 711 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,719 Speaker 1: what it feels like. And it it's UH also sort 712 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,800 Speaker 1: of a pr move because it makes that person appear 713 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,360 Speaker 1: to be weaker right in the eyes of the public. 714 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 1: You could be someone who's on the fence about which 715 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,360 Speaker 1: side you might choose, and then you'll say, well, I 716 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 1: would never let insert you know, spouse or daughter, female 717 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: relative here have some goons rifle through their stuff if 718 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 1: I can, if I would object to that. What makes 719 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: this guy so powerful he couldn't even stop it, you know, Yeah, 720 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 1: why would he run away to some other country and 721 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 1: let that happen. That's an interesting point. I want to 722 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 1: jump right back to the alaman Are really fast, just 723 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,400 Speaker 1: to give you guys something to think about. This. This 724 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 1: made my wheels spin. Here. There was a senior bureaucrat, 725 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,200 Speaker 1: according to the outlet from the security establishment, who spoke 726 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:19,879 Speaker 1: to them anonymously. And here's the quote. Pacare does not 727 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,360 Speaker 1: need to reveal all that he knows. All he needs 728 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 1: to do is signal what he knows. Right. So, like 729 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 1: that alone is something we've talked about on this show 730 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 1: a lot. When there's when they're these signals being put 731 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,800 Speaker 1: out by countries, by state powers, state actors signaling something 732 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: that maybe the general population has no idea what we're 733 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,279 Speaker 1: talking about, what they're talking about, but somebody somewhere that 734 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 1: also has control of some power knows exactly what they're 735 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: mentioning or talking about. UM, And that's all it needs 736 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,279 Speaker 1: to do. That The whole objective is to get that 737 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 1: one group of people to hear those words and then 738 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,440 Speaker 1: they get it. I thought that was really interesting. Yeah, 739 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: they'll step differently, right, Like that's um A trashy celebrity 740 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 1: version of that would be when disgraced actor Kevin Spacey 741 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 1: started putting out YouTube videos that were super cryptic, you know, 742 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: and looked like they were somehow trying to send a 743 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: signal of some sort, but to whom we do not 744 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 1: know because the message was not intended for us. Interesting factor, Matt, 745 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,319 Speaker 1: You know this. Whenever I hear stories like this, my 746 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 1: first question is always where is this person shocking up? Now? 747 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 1: Who is protecting them? Right? This guy can get his 748 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 1: own protection. I assume he has the money, the influence, 749 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: and the means, even in the incredibly cut throat world 750 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 1: sometimes literally cut throat world of organized crime. But from 751 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:55,240 Speaker 1: what I understand, he's currently he's making these videos from Dubai. Yeah. 752 00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,800 Speaker 1: So is he good with the rulers of Dubai shoot Russia? 753 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: He must be. He must be good with them. He 754 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,280 Speaker 1: must be good with somebody in Turkey because his YouTube 755 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,640 Speaker 1: channel is available, Oh somebody in Turkey, Yeah, because his 756 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,839 Speaker 1: YouTube channel is available everywhere. Still, it hasn't been taken down. 757 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,799 Speaker 1: He hasn't been banned, He hasn't been you know, these 758 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: videos haven't been removed or made private. Um, And like 759 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 1: I said, millions of they're getting millions of views. So 760 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,200 Speaker 1: I don't know he's in with somebody or just nobody's 761 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,480 Speaker 1: noticed somehow until all this reporting is coming through, and 762 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,920 Speaker 1: we'll see if something occurs this week and heard, God's going, 763 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,880 Speaker 1: what is YouTube? Somebody tell me about this YouTube? So 764 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: this this person that was quoted an al monitor. This 765 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 1: the security establishment official who's anonymous. This is the end 766 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,040 Speaker 1: of that quote. When mafia leaders become visible in the 767 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 1: public eye, it's time for crucial reshuffling among the top. 768 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,520 Speaker 1: Cadre Ard again will turn the tables to his own benefit. 769 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 1: With Pecaire's words, I see that Pacare is still serving 770 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,760 Speaker 1: the state. That's an interesting statement, right, He's still serving 771 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,080 Speaker 1: the state in some way because a lot of these 772 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 1: allegations go back to him working directly with the government 773 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,759 Speaker 1: to do things that the government body would not be 774 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,200 Speaker 1: able to do or or a law enforcement agency wouldn't 775 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,680 Speaker 1: be able to do. And before anybody gets high and 776 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,080 Speaker 1: mighty about it, let us point out that the US 777 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: government has done the same thing with the mob. That's 778 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,000 Speaker 1: it's just true. I just think it's it's very much 779 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,680 Speaker 1: a glasshouse situation. Yeah, oh, you're right. And with freedom fighters, 780 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: freedom fighters across countries. You're a across the world. Um, same, 781 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,759 Speaker 1: same kind of deal, a weird situation, and today is 782 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 1: the first time I really looked into it. So I'm 783 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 1: I'd like to learn more with everybody else, with you, 784 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 1: So let's I think we should do that. And why wait, 785 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 1: why hold up on ceremony? Huh? Let us know what 786 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: you think. Let us know if you are a resident 787 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 1: of Turkey, if you are a resident of El Salvador, 788 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: if you live in an area like us that maybe 789 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,359 Speaker 1: home to cicada invasions and or orgies. We want to 790 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,440 Speaker 1: hear your thoughts about these events. And Matt, I'm with you, 791 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 1: I'd be especially interested to hear people, uh, people's thoughts 792 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 1: on the future of Turkey over the mid to long term. 793 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,759 Speaker 1: We try to make it easy to find us on 794 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,279 Speaker 1: the internet. 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