1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: You know it's a rap right of podcast. My name 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: is Brian b dot Miller. Be out of selling Wilson. 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: What's up baby? Feeling great? Man? This feels very rare 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: right here, super rare. Get these guys together for an interview. 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: They got the super producer Alchemists and super rapper Rock 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: Massy was going on, guys upper, Let's clear that you 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: tweeted that this project Elephant Man's Bones is the best 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: ship we ever did. What makes this project between you 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: and Rock so special? Man? I mean, it's been like 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: at least ten years coming for me. I mean, I 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: think some of the first records we did was probably 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: at least ten years old easily, and you know, we 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: could speak forever about how great he is, you know. 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: But I feel like from the first days that we linked, 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: I always had a goal, like yo, I felt like, 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: if we could make a whole plate, you know what 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And over the years we've done a lot 18 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: like you could actually pull them together and make a 19 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: nice compilations, you know, craft singles and a lot of 20 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: like because I feel notable, but I always felt like, man, 21 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: if we could put this together, and I feel like 22 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: where it landed is to me like I feel our 23 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: best and that says a lot, because you know, his 24 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: discography is insane, So I I just feel for us. 25 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: And I told and I told him when we were 26 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: making it, I said, once we finish it, we won 27 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: when we get it to where it needs to be. 28 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: And he and I are feel like, Yo, this meets 29 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: the mark or how we feel we should be at 30 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: right now, and our covers are like making it once 31 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: you finally got into trenches and was working on it. 32 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: I mean, for me, it was fun, you know what 33 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying, But it was also a challenge because you know, 34 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: he makes some of the best beats, So for me, 35 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: it was also like to try to find a way 36 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: where I could make a soundscape for it that's worthy 37 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: for what he does, but also bring something else to 38 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: the table, you know what I'm saying. So, but we 39 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: just once we buckle down. I mean, do you have 40 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: a law for duction on this one? Yeah? This was 41 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: I felt like I had to do that and let 42 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: rock for one project, right, It's only right. And you 43 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: mentioned it to sound like like what was the goal? 44 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: Like what was you trying to achieve sonically with this project? 45 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: I was I wasn't thinking too much about our past 46 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: stuff for like our sound. But I was like I 47 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: listened to both our discographies and I was just thinking 48 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: about first and foremost. I gotta give him stuff that 49 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: makes him want to write, you know what I'm saying. 50 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: So no matter how you know, have a certain idea 51 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: of a color or or style. We really just started 52 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: because it just my brother, so we hang out. We 53 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: don't just make music. So once we finally put in 54 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: motion and we were going to make a record, I 55 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: just started throwing a lot of music at him. I 56 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: mean a lot, you know what I'm saying. And I 57 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: could trust rock too, So it was like I threw 58 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: the sync Adam because he told me, you don't just 59 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: send me what you think I'm gonna like, and so 60 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: and I and I touched everything then not every somewhere 61 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: around there the close to forty tracks some reason and 62 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: someone like that moment for the ind ofnet go crazy 63 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: that I didn't they could ever hear these records, because 64 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: you know, we had a bunch of music that we 65 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: already had from like older music that we already we're 66 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: talking about. We did damn there forty new joints. I 67 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: had records over the years that we didn't release either 68 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: that we were considering that we could have, you know, 69 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: matched together, but we was like for the for the fans, 70 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: and for what we feel we deserve, keep it fresh. Yeah, 71 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: because even Rocks sometimes like he'll have a joint and 72 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: he cooks, and then maybe a couple of years later 73 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: he'll send me a new version with a new verse 74 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: that's better. So when records sit around, sometimes he might 75 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: recook it where the beat is right, but he'll have 76 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: because you know, this music, it's our life. So it 77 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: depends software like up you know what I'm saying, that 78 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: update the software. But Rock your producer as well, Like, 79 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: was it less pressure to allow alchemists to like take 80 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: the reins or did you have like the itch to 81 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: kind of oh not, hell yeah, it was. Um, I 82 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: just knew with al on the boards and all I 83 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: had to do was be the best rapper that I 84 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: could be, you know what I'm saying. So it was like, 85 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: all right, I ain't gotta worry about production and ship 86 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: like that. It was like a vacation, you know what 87 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: I'm saying. I mean, okay, twisted, we butted heads like 88 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying like, you know what I'm saying, 89 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: like we do it your way, it's gonna be a 90 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: rock massy album. And I'd be like, that's not a 91 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: bad thing, you know what I'm saying, Like, yo, I 92 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: gotta have my flavor. So it's like, you know, but 93 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: it was still all a pleasure, you know what I'm saying. Nonetheless, 94 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: like you know, we were making music, so it's there's 95 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: no one way it could be done, you know what 96 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying. His way is right sometimes my way is 97 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: right sometimes and we just come together the song of 98 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: a session that stands out that you clicked like, oh 99 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: this is this definitely feels right? Which one? I mean? 100 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: We always worked together, so once we started just cooking, 101 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: it was already the first batch was already magic, you 102 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So but I think once we started, 103 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: I felt like the first batch that he finally went 104 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: in on felt more along the lines I can I 105 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: can never do what he does, but it felt more 106 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: like along the lines of something he might be even 107 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: potentially produced. And that's when we came like halfway in 108 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: and we had a nice batch and I was like, yo, 109 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: I want to try to bring a couple of the 110 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: sounds to the table, and he you know, we respect 111 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: each other so much that I didn't feel like I 112 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: wasn't nervous to say it. I was more like, yo, 113 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: let me, let me pick a couple of beats. But 114 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: first of all, if you don't feel it, I don't 115 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: want you to force it. So but at least pick 116 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: a couple of sounds that because at first I just 117 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: wanted him rock is a type just get out of 118 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: his way. That's how I like to produce for him. 119 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: It's like make something and get out of his way. 120 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: So maybe they call it minimal or whatever it is. 121 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: It's not for everybody, but for me when I work 122 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: with him, I'm like, okay, let me get something that 123 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: when he calls me and it's like put the heart 124 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: emoji on the beat in the Texas Like I say, 125 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: it depends moving. He said, I only want to see 126 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: fire emojis when it comes out. What are you making? 127 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: Like this? Being like on the dnet? Like the whole 128 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: how records come out now and there's so much social 129 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: media fuel consumption of the music, Like what do you 130 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: guys make of that? I mean, it's all good to me. 131 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: I just feel like it's beautiful that the people. We 132 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: get to hear it directly from the people, and there's 133 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: no company in the middle saying Okay, well you know 134 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: you're doing good in this area. Listen, you know over 135 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: here they're feeling you. Well, we're not so much here. 136 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: Like no, I'm getting the feedback live from the people, 137 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: so you can't beat it, you know what I'm And 138 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: why is this project called The Elephant Man's Bones, Like 139 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: what's the meaning behind that title? I mean, you know, 140 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: I guess to a certain extent, feeling like you know 141 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like the outcast in the game, like 142 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: you know, man making this this raw music for a 143 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: long time and stuff like that. So it's like, you know, 144 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: they kind of like treated us like the bad step 145 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: kids in the game. So it just like, you know, 146 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: the Elephant Man's And it's about revealing. If you listen 147 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: to the album, I'm revealing things. So it's almost like 148 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: your skeletons also in your closet and stuff like that. 149 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's it's you know, multidimensional as 150 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: far as the meaning speaking of multidimensionals, this is count 151 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: as a double album because it's like a side day 152 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: and the side B that was just uh when we 153 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: put out the original track list, and that was for 154 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: the vinyl art. So I think some people thought it 155 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: was and you know, if they appreciate and they listened 156 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: to it that way, Hey, you know what I'm saying. 157 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: But I don't think that was intentional. Yeah, but I 158 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: think like the song Elephant Man's Bones, you know what 159 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: I mean, when we made that record, I felt like 160 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: he had never wrote a record like that before, and 161 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: I felt like to be to write a record like that, 162 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: you kind of gotta go through the steps he went 163 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: to be the place he is vulnerable. I'm just getting better. 164 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm getting better, particularly like because you admitted on that 165 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: particular song you got wounds not even a doctor can heal. 166 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: Like what are some of those wounds that you were 167 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: talking about, you know, like your pain and trauma from 168 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: the past, Like you know what I'm saying. Like, I 169 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: guess they say doctors can heal them, but you know 170 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I don't feel like that, you know 171 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So a lot of stuff you just 172 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: never get over, you know, death of close friends and 173 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: you know, you know, just your your your life story. 174 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: We all got pain and stuff like that, did you 175 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: probably never get over. Even towards the end of the song, 176 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: you can kind of reiterate I always always was being tested, 177 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: Like what are some of those things that you feel 178 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: like you've been tested on? I mean, um, are we 179 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: all being tested? I feel like during this journey of life, um, 180 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, everything is you know to make you become 181 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: a better man or you know, a better person. So 182 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: that's how I felt like a lot of things like 183 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: you know that happened or whatever it didn't happen or 184 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: whatever the case, maybe it just pushed me to be greater, 185 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So that's pretty much like 186 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: put this away. If I was say, um, if the 187 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: first album whatever or the second one was just like 188 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: oh greatly accepted, I might have let off the gas 189 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: and probably not have been as ill as I am. 190 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: But being that, you know what I'm saying, that you 191 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: know Castle still fronting, I got Ella and illa, you 192 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So you even addressed on the 193 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: DJ VU you said, I feel like I'm often slided. 194 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: You know, as much as you revere, you still feel 195 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: like there's still the side of you that's not talking 196 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: about stuff like that, like, Okay, even though it don't 197 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: because I've never been a famed person, I don't really 198 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: care about them damn fame. But um, you know, like 199 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: if you think about what I've done in this game 200 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: for me not to be on like Coachella or something 201 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: like that, it's like, what do y'all know? Y'all y'all 202 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: know the history of what's going on or what what 203 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: I'm contributing to the culture and stuff like that. So 204 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: you feel like you get slided by little stuff like that, 205 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: But it just feeds the fire, that's all. Even on 206 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: Quantum Lead, you talked about how you at the top 207 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: of the heap actually coll leagues. I mean, it feels 208 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: like you've been going feel a little bit rock So 209 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: how have you been able to stay on your A game? Um? 210 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: I love what I do. You know I'm saying. I 211 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: love what I do. Um, you know, when you love 212 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: what you do, you you know you don't cheat the game. 213 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: So that's pretty much all it is. I just don't 214 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: cheat it, you know what I'm saying. I take time 215 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: out to live and get better, like I said, updating software, 216 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: like making sure that I come back a better A 217 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: better MC than I did last time. That's how I 218 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: feel like I'm still getting better and better about self improvement. 219 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: Like I saw that you tweeted once a couple of 220 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: weeks ago, like this rap ship is the lazy river 221 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: at the water park. He said, let's talk about it. 222 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: So let's talk about it, like we feel like, what 223 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: do you mean by that? Let's talk about it, like 224 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: what does that mean to you? I feel like we 225 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: in a lazy rivers, like you know at Action Park 226 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: or one of those places, and you're just like in 227 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: an inner tube and just kind of coasting. Yeah. I 228 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: just had the thought one day, like you know, I 229 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: feel like the rap game kind of moves like the 230 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: lazy river, Like you know in the park, you got 231 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: to ye goes around the wall to park you're sitting 232 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: in into If you get out of it and go 233 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: get an ice cream or something and get back in, 234 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: you're back. You gotta swim back up to get to 235 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: where you're at. And I was saying it to more 236 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: of a testament of people who staying on the ball. 237 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: So if you let off the gas, this ship is 238 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: a lazy river. So when you want to get back in, 239 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: you gotta get back in position. You gotta swim back 240 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: up to get back to where you were because the 241 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: ship keeps moving. It's constantly. That's how I took it, 242 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: like it doesn't wait for nobody. The game moves, and 243 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: when you get out of it, you want to jump 244 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: back in. You gotta get back in position. They not. 245 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: They may not just be with open hands because um, 246 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: swipe swipe, swipe, and you know your your attention span 247 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: is less and you you come, you, you fall back, 248 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: and somebody gives a little lesser quality product that they 249 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: can all right, fuck it, you don't got that. Let's 250 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: go here. And I was just thinking about that. That 251 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: to me too, I was like, I feel like even 252 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: more you shared, You shared your love of the culture 253 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: and your lifestyle with it, not just the music I 254 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: put the pop up shops, the Yeah Immedition vinyl, like 255 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: the you know, the baseball cards and things like that. 256 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: Talk about how it seems like the things you just 257 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: love a passion about has become as much about that 258 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: as it's about the music. Yeah. I mean, I think 259 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: if I had known this twenty years ago, I would 260 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: have did it. Then. That's life, you know. I kind 261 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: of had to go through my stages of you know, 262 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: I think Rock and I both had our versions of 263 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: messing with major labels, messing with a small company and 264 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: just kind of going down the pole until you're like, damn, 265 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: what's behind our number two? Man? That what they Let's 266 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: just go see what's behind oh ship? Okay, this is cool, 267 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: all right, and I can just do what I want 268 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: to kind of implement my ideas. And I feel like, 269 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: m hm, when you lock in with the core people 270 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: who really funk with you, you're good. You know what 271 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying and what I really do. And I think 272 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: both of us we kind of create products that is 273 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: something we like. Like if I'm gonna do a merch line, 274 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: there's something in there that I'm gonna wear, even if 275 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: they tell me this is gonna sell better, and even 276 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: to my own detriment, I have to do things that 277 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: are true to me that I love because you know, 278 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: then I feel like the people will it'll it'll reciprocate, 279 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean as far as products go. Man, 280 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: you worked with almost everybody like Boli, James, Action, Bronson, 281 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: Currency Freddy gives on these you know, exclusively produced projects. 282 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: Project of course, Why do you think rappers. Like working 283 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: with this guy so much on these full length projects 284 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: as a damn dog man, She's always got fired, always 285 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: sitting on ship, you know what I mean, like our 286 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: delivers Like you know what I'm saying, you want some 287 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: ill ship if you if you rusty or whatever the case, 288 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: maybe it's like, you know, go to the training course. 289 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, get what I get some 290 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: of that nasty ship and you know, get you know, 291 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: get back right right. How you had a hell of 292 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: a year too. Man Appreciate started off earlier this year 293 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: with Bennie the Butcher and j Cole Johnny Peace Caddy. Yeah, 294 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: and you posted he said, a good song grows legs 295 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: and run run on its own. Yes, Like, how impressed 296 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: were you with that execution? I mean I was really 297 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: happy that happened, you know what I'm saying. Happy to 298 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: see Benny, you know, do his thing and just that, 299 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, even that alone made me think of in 300 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: the earlier days of my career, when it was like 301 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: records that like like we're gonna make it or something 302 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: like that, what you would see the months and months 303 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: that it would take. And I was thinking in my 304 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: mind of grinding remember how long they worked. Remember it 305 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: was like four or five months, and then it took 306 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: and then I always realized like a hit record, not 307 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: saying oh, this is a hit record that they made, 308 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: just saying I saw the effect, so that it was 309 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: that how it was moving. And I remember my memory 310 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: of how records move. It's like they grow, and it's 311 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: like it's pretty incredible when you see a record like 312 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: that happened. So I was happy for him for that. 313 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: I remember hearing you with that. He was like, I 314 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: was like, what's the sample? Was like, there's no samples, 315 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: no sample? How did you do it? You little helped 316 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: a little too, Yeah, just recreated some magic basically the 317 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: career also um on the vocals that just to try 318 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: to challenge this off like that you don't have to always, yeah, 319 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you approach that obstacle, you know, and 320 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: and you work your way around it, but never to 321 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: like destroy the integrity of a record, like I'll probably 322 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: take the l if it didn't come out right, like 323 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: let's just lose the record, you know. And that's happened 324 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: before too. So that your first time work with J Coole, 325 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: we did a song called gladi Here, a long time ago. 326 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: It was like a mixtape time but that was like 327 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: the first time. But yeah, he had come by a 328 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: couple of times prior to that to the studio and 329 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: we chopped it up. But yeah, I was what you 330 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: got sound together? Man? Who knows? You know what I'm saying? 331 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: You speak with the phone, you Maine, you know that 332 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: it maybe we heard you on Kendrick Lamar's album, missed 333 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: him around. The big step is how did we cry together? 334 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: Land on that project? We had that record for a 335 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: minute really like before the pandemic. We we had linked 336 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: in I game a Batchel Beats and uh, I knew 337 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: that he had worked on it, but I didn't hear 338 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: the song at first, and then time kind of went 339 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: but they said, yo, that's a keeper, and you know 340 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: how things go. We all make a lot of music, 341 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: and you know, years had passed, and I remember keeping 342 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: in touch with Dave or whoever over there like you, 343 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: and they were like, NAA, it's in the mix. It's 344 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: it's it's not going anywhere. And I didn't really get 345 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: to hear it yet, so I didn't know what it was. 346 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: But I guess the record, like like that type of record, 347 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: I guess with something. You know, when you got a 348 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: guy like God, He's probably making a hundred songs, and 349 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: I was like, ah, this ain't gonna make it. You know, 350 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: He's gonna make some new hot ship, but it's stuck. 351 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: And then later on before we mix it, I got 352 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: to hear the records and I was like, damn, what 353 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: was what was your reaction? Someone's going on like didn't 354 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: mind you a little bit? Domestic violence record? I mean, 355 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I think people had 356 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: touched on. I mean the way he did it was 357 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: so unique that I think that in it it was 358 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: so poignant, you know, and like strong. When I heard it, 359 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: I was just like, Okay, I see why it was 360 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: staying on the record because one of those records that 361 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: they must have built around it. I don't know when 362 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: any of the records, because you know, I wasn't in 363 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: the studio when he accorded it, but yeah, I was 364 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: really happy with how it came out. He had a 365 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: strong connection. Also the last time when you did Fear 366 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: for the album, you have lost your father at that time, 367 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: and that was an important thing to like, yes, kind 368 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: of keep you going and keep you keep dead. It 369 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: did and gave me a lot of strength and I 370 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: always told him that, and so that record was like 371 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: close to me, you know what I mean. But I 372 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: to be able to show beats to a person like him, 373 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: and you know, still be this far in the game 374 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: doing the music I'm doing. I'm I'm just happy and 375 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: I feel like I could get better. So that's why 376 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: I still They're like, why do you still do? I 377 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: still enjoy it. I feel like we're turning the corner, 378 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: like even you know, bringing it back to this project. 379 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: I feel like this is where we need to be 380 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: as far as how the music sounds. And that's what 381 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: I said, Like he wouldn't he had to come to 382 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: where he is to write that song Elephant Man's Bones 383 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: and I'm Hiding from the mirror and certain things you 384 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: have to live through experience. This album is like it's cold, 385 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: but do you know what I'm saying. It's cold, but 386 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: it's also like it's hard for me to explain it, 387 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: but in the way it's like emotional. I've actually cried 388 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: a couple of times listening to the ship like dead 389 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: A's like damn, not like tears, but just like you 390 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: know how you get emotional and don't know why. I 391 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: like because I feel like it was a long time 392 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: that we put into making this ship. So how do 393 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: you feel? How do you feel when you listen back 394 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: on the album? What comes to your mind? Um? When 395 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: I'm when I finished albums, I'm kind of like done 396 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: with him at that point, you know what I'm saying. 397 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm because I'm still recording. I got so 398 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: much ship to do. I can't just like really sit 399 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: and enjoy. I'm enjoying them while I'm making them. So 400 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: by the time that people heard Eat, so I've heard 401 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: each song a thousand times. What I'm saying like, I've 402 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: heard each song a thousand times. I'm actually writing them. 403 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: So it's like yeah, so but yeah, when we when 404 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,239 Speaker 1: we finished it and I heard the full body of 405 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: work together the way I'll put it together, I was like, oh, yeah, 406 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: this is like this is it. I'm like, we're going 407 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: to the Grammys, baby, We're going to Grammys, baby, and 408 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: get a suit. Time to go, get some time to 409 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: get fitted for some Texes. Man, when you show a 410 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: lot of love to a big daddy cane on the 411 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: album gets a lot of love, I mean, what's not 412 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: the love about Kane. What I'm saying, it's not the 413 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: love about Kane, Like, yeah, you know I love That's 414 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: my error. You know what I'm saying, that's the error. 415 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: I fell in love with Hip Bob, you know, Big 416 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: Daddy Cane, rock him, but I was in to say, 417 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: rock him is a big inspiration making this album. I 418 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 1: was looking up a lot of absolute video every album 419 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: for me, I'm a rock cam baby. Yeah. It's funny 420 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: because I was thinking Big, because I was noticing, like 421 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: on the end of Think Big, you know, you say, 422 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: you're challenging Big with the spiritual without spiritual channeling Big 423 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: without a spiritual meaning, that was wondering how much of 424 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: an influence he was in general just making this project. 425 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: You know I always say, Biggie smalls the list. You 426 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: know what I'm like, You know what I'm saying, so 427 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: um yeah, Big Big Big is always a big you know, 428 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: inspiration for me. Like you know what I'm saying, I 429 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: get you know what I'm saying, Like inspired by Big 430 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: still to this day, I still be listening know his lyrics, 431 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: like yeah, how do you go there? Like I can't 432 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: come behind that now? Like you know what I'm saying, 433 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: like no man, like for real the other day, how like, 434 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: you know, obviously people try to make the big double album, 435 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: but like it's still hard to beat like all eyes 436 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: and be in life after death. Like a bunch of 437 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: people be trying to make big albums and double albums. 438 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: It's like his ship was so hard to be simple 439 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: to your heartbeach sound like sasquatche. It was so simple. 440 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: I got a theory about that. Part of me. I 441 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: got a theory about that. I feel like, um, obviously 442 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: big and pop didn't know that they were getting ready 443 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: to die. I feel like certain like things are gonna 444 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 1: happen to you in the studio when you're about to go. 445 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Some of that stuff, I'm like, yo, 446 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: the spirits was around him, brothers, like you know what 447 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying, because it was like they're getting ready to 448 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: you know, we were just enjoying the music as fans, 449 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: but they're getting ready to pass over. So imagine the 450 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: energy that's around them and how you know, how they 451 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: being channeled and investled, you know what, I yeh before 452 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 1: they go. So I always had theory about that, like 453 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: you can't compete with somebody that's getting ready to check out, 454 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: especially if you got talent whatever, and a brother is 455 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: about to like you know what I'm saying, You're about 456 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: to transition. Just imagine what's going on in the studio 457 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: in their spirit, you know. Many there was a point 458 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: line to me that you had a rock on stick 459 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: Mata and said, when you have true inter beauty, no 460 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: man can remove your jewelry, Like what inspired that lyric um? 461 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: You know? Um, it's just like something beyond surface, Like 462 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like if somebody would take 463 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 1: something from you that surface, but they still like you know, 464 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: they can't take what what actually attracted these beautiful things 465 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: to you. It's like if you take somebody's like you know, 466 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: their material, you know, wealth, but they're truly wealthy, They're 467 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: just gonna get it back again. So that's pretty much 468 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: what I meant by that. Yeah, that transparency and that 469 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: vulnerability is you know, little throughout the project, like even 470 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: on a trillion Kuite talk about how like your pops 471 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: had on track marks from Herojuana, Like was that something 472 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: you saw growing up? You know kid? Yeah, I mean 473 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: you know, when when I got you know, when I 474 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: got a little older, I started to notice things later, 475 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like the tracks or whatever. 476 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: But I didn't see like, you know, I didn't grow 477 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: up with my pops in my crib, like you know 478 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: what I'm saying for my early years. I'm moved in 479 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: with my dad for like a little while. But um, yeah, 480 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: you just peep stuff later on in life, you know 481 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, Wow, I didn't even notice that, 482 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. But then you get older, like, oh, 483 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: that's what that is, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 484 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: And they also like, you know, you can't talk about 485 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: a rock Monty project without you popping your ship man. 486 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: And I felt that throughout the project as well, like 487 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: back to think Big, like you said, this is my lane, 488 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: our daddy, your d n A, Like where do you 489 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: see your influences and other rappers and amongst your PIDs, 490 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: because I hear that a lot like rock Massy started this, 491 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: influenced this. Um damn, you just said it pretty much, 492 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, I think a 493 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that's going on now or whatever. 494 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: You know, obviously you know stuff I was doing ten 495 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: years ago like pre dates a lot of stuff. So 496 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's just me flexing and having my fun 497 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: with it. It's like basketball player talking ship on the court, 498 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like I've been busting 499 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: y'all last for years. It's just that simple. What does 500 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: What does it mean to you? Is the level of 501 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: like uncompromising art like high hand underground your pop? Like 502 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: like how would you sum up what it what it's 503 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: sonically or what it sounds like that somebody may not know? Um, 504 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: I think it's thinking man music. I think we make 505 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: a lot of We hear a lot of music now 506 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: that don't want people to think or you know, it's 507 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: just background filler dance, clappy ass or whatever. Which is 508 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: I love that too, I like, you know, I love 509 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: the women and all that ship the party vibe. But 510 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: we also bring something that cerebral to the game. You 511 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying a little a little esoteric in 512 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: some ways, you know what I'm saying. So you know, 513 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: it's pretty much I'm trying to challenge that I never 514 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: want to do. What if we want to be popular, 515 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: we would just make trap beats and just do everybody 516 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 1: else doing if we just wanted to, you know, like 517 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: be out in there, like you know what I'm saying, 518 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: just the most visible artists. But you know, we like 519 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: to challenge the listeners like I know I'll do too, 520 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So that's why it's a 521 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: perfect combination. But that's what it's about, just challenging the listener. 522 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: And Underground is like I think people get it confused 523 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: where they think, like our goals to be under the 524 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: ground right like we could we look at our ship, 525 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: is the best ship that is out the quality put 526 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: any label on it, like the ground is this to that? 527 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: But I think you're more speaking to the dedication to 528 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: the craft. Like even sometimes I'll bring up to rock 529 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: like an old song he did you know in a 530 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: pocket He's rhyme. I remember when you was doing it, 531 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: you know listen. He'd be like I did that already, 532 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: there's no reason, and I'd be like, yo, it's yours. 533 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: Though I know everybody grabbed onto that style and did 534 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: it after you, and but you could do it again, 535 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: you could take one. But he won't do that because 536 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: it's like he explained to me before, it's like, yo, 537 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: it's not uh inspiring, Like I want to blaze new trails. 538 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: It's not about I want to do something. Every album, 539 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: if you listen to his ship, it's like there's an update, 540 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: like he said, the two points. Every record, there's there's 541 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: certain nuances and ones that no no. And it's almost 542 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: like graffiti, like if you know what you noticed the 543 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: nuance of it, somebody else might look at it and 544 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: go that I can't tell the difference. That's just a 545 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: bunch of writing on the wall, you know what I'm saying. 546 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: So that's how I think it's more the dedication to 547 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: the craft than wanting to be underground. We look at 548 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: our ship is best, you know what I'm saying. So 549 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: so when you had them with like Freddie you're nominated 550 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: for a Grammy, it's like, yes, that's what's supposed to happen. 551 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: Like this. Nobody respect to everybody, and I love everybody's music, 552 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: But I feel like what we do is on a 553 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: certain level. He said. Greatness is always the ball, never 554 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: go below it. So at this point where the greatness 555 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: look light to you, uh man, um, really greatness is 556 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: to continue to raise the ball, like you know what 557 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, don't let off of what we're doing, 558 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: get better and better at it, you know what I'm saying, Like, 559 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, keep putting numbers up, man, That's pretty much 560 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: what it is. We just we're adding we're in a 561 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: legacy stage right now. We're in legacy stage. So that's 562 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: how I feel like. It's just about like beating their 563 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 1: head and to the point where they like when you 564 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: look at the body of work, it's like, yeah, you 565 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: can't dispute this. This is like you know what I'm saying. 566 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: So that's pretty much what it's about for me to 567 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: your legacy rock man with this artist Stovegard Cooks Man. 568 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: You know, I called it one of the best records 569 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: albums reasonable Drought from the pandemic. Talk about what makes 570 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: Stovegard so special? Why has he not released anymore music? 571 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: I mean, well, Ship for one, he's special because you know, 572 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: the dude has something um like a lot of cats 573 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: don't have. He can get in the mud and get 574 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 1: busy in the in the mud with us on some 575 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: on some rhyme and ship. But he also could sing 576 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: his ass off, like you know what I'm saying. He's like, 577 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: he's like, uh, you know a melody, man, you know 578 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And in this you know, this little 579 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: area where we got ain't a lot of melody. Man. 580 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: Melody man is over there, like you know, you know 581 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So he's like a man. Yeah, he's 582 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: a mixture. He's a mixture, you know what I'm saying. 583 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: So I think that's what makes the special. And as 584 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: far as like what's next, I mean, we got music 585 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: to come with's next? Hopefully we could get it out 586 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: there to the people. Man, you know, the business is 587 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: like you know, it ain't easy. That reasonable drought that 588 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: was that was like a dark horse. I know you 589 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: had the dark Horse out, but that felt like a 590 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: dark horse. When he played it for me before it 591 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: was out, I begged him to make sure it came 592 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: out because we had been talking about his production and 593 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: how he felt like man in the front, and I said, well, 594 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: you need to put the whole album that's not you. 595 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: And when he played me the album, I was like, 596 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: of course you're gonna present stove. He's gonna ride with 597 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: your beats. The beats really presented him like an amazing 598 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: way you can't front. So that was I think pulling 599 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: up a buster calling me hit me in the head 600 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: about it. Paying attention to it and I didn't listened yet. 601 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: Then beat I made one of his lists, and like 602 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: everybody went crazy until they until they heard the record. 603 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: Then they were like, Okay, I get it. This dude 604 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: is dope like you. And he produced that entire project. 605 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: What was that process like? Like was it dope? Just 606 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: to get something out? You know that you shaded? Well, 607 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to start 608 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: focusing more on my production, you know what I'm saying, 609 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm one of the list producers 610 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: as well. But um yeah, I mean I approached it 611 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: like al right, cool, like you know, I'm starting to 612 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: um do more albums for other people and produce. I 613 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: wanted to, you know what I'm saying. Luck you know, 614 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: unfortunately I couldn't put it out on my company, but 615 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: I was ducing it like it's coming out on my company, 616 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: and it's just like I felt like this is like, 617 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: uh my snoop. It's like I'm doing Doggie style. Everybody 618 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: know what I do like dre and and Stove. I'm 619 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: gonna treat this like you know what. Yeah, I just 620 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: wanted to. I wanted to to feel like as far 621 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: as like the production like to feel like. I wanted 622 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: the production to be so strong because sometimes people don't 623 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: know if you don't know what, dude, you want to say, 624 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: you feel them, you know. So I want to people 625 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: to be like, even if you don't feel this nigger, 626 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: you want to be like. But these fucking beats, I'm 627 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: buying it, even for the beasts, and but they didn't 628 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: go like that. He delivered it with a motherfucker. You 629 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's a masterpiece. I agree. Those 630 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: always break lights. The way it comes on and it 631 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: got Alchemist is silver proof. That's all you special. I'm 632 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: telling you. Yeah, you think about melody, man, you know 633 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: you d like alual Aaron Hall. Don't be afraid you're 634 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: breaking little things. You know. I got my back. I 635 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: got my back. Would you ever fully going to that leg? Yeah? Man, 636 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm telling only you. I've been wanting to do an 637 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: R and B joint for a while. I've been trying 638 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: to get out to get me r BB working on that. 639 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm saying, give me some R and B beats, you 640 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I try to have RMB 641 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: moments on my albums. Know what I'm saying. Like you know, 642 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: those slow sacks fifth and you know what I'm saying, 643 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: like those you know, yeah, you know, I try to 644 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: have those movies exactly exact zag. Yeah, So I try 645 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: to have those moments because that's you know, R and 646 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: B is probably probably my favorite music, you know what 647 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying, It's probably my favorite music. So yeah, I 648 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: thought it was kind of surreal to ol. I saw 649 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: you in the studio where Prodigies daughter Santana Fox. Yes, 650 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: that just working with the legend's daughter like that makes 651 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: me happy, you know what I mean, see her, you know, 652 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: follow her dreams and keep the legacy going, you know 653 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But I know he'd be happy. And 654 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: she's doing her thing. You to Santana, she's getting better 655 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: and better. You know, I fully support and yeah, I'm 656 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: happy for that. You know. I was thinking about p 657 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: a lot, and we made this record, of course, because 658 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, that was a big goal when he had 659 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: come home, to link them because they had already knew 660 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: each other. But then on Albert Einstein we did we 661 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: did the death sentence joint and I felt like, you 662 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: know what I mean, When I was making this record, 663 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: I was definitely thinking about him like, yeah, I know 664 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: he'll funk with this ship, like you can have another 665 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: great man we lost, I tell you share on Instagram 666 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: many people may I know your connection to James the 667 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: great actor James Calm. Yeah, and you speak on your 668 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: connection with him. I mean, you know he used to 669 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: hang out. You know, his son, Scott was my partner 670 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: in the rap group whole again. So we're at his house, 671 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, many nights, all through high school days. You know, 672 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: just like crazy memories, you know, but yeah, he was 673 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: he was a special you know, incredible you know father actor. 674 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: It's just like a role model. And you know, you 675 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: know he would have the pictures of Scott the crib 676 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, when the Playboy man, when he was a 677 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: little kid model. So we you know, we all looked 678 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: up to Jimmy, you know. So you know, and what 679 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: he did with his career and his spend his running 680 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: was just incredible. So you know, my condolences to the family. 681 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: You know, Scott's my brother. I love him and my 682 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: brother to this day, best friends still. So since you 683 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: know in that post that you did, I I didn't 684 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: know that. And the guyfather he that money that he 685 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: threw that story always fucked me up. And he really 686 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: told us that that that was just he had money 687 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: in his pocket and when when the scene was just 688 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: to break the camera and he just felt like it 689 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: would be more gangster to just throw the money down. 690 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: And it was almost like he never snapped out of 691 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,719 Speaker 1: that role. Like whenever you would see him, it was like, 692 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, he was just he was the man, 693 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So yeah, and it was 694 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: just cool to be able to grow up around. You know, 695 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: somebody's apported you crazy kids thinking that rap music did 696 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: what was going on, But he definitely loved to see 697 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: us do our thing, you know. But eventually Scott would 698 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: move into do you know his movies and TV and 699 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: he's killing it. So he's made it quite a career, 700 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I'm proud of him. 701 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: I know you were affected by the pass of case 702 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: that like all of us were. Can you share some 703 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: of the finest memories you have a slash? I mean 704 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: I used to go meet him down a Bakina's music hut, Yes, 705 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: and you know you see him over there and drop 706 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: off underground mixtapes. That was a famous mixtape place on 707 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: Houston and that's when we would go and drop off 708 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: the tapes and sell them. And I mean mad Night 709 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: Slay was very supportive of all of us, like especially Prodigy. 710 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: So it was like times when we would make records 711 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: when he was on Thursday Night, we would make the 712 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: record Wednesday and give it to him play for Thursday night, 713 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: Like we would make freestyles just for him, like, but 714 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: we would give him for every woman. I remember other 715 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: DJ saying, is that just for case Slay? But because 716 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: we just rocked them like that, So you know that 717 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: was a big loss man. Yeah, very very sad. But 718 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: you know, rest in peace. Case like legend absolutely. I know. 719 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: What's the status of the Alchemists and Friends tour? Is 720 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: that really going to happen? Yeah, I'm working on it. 721 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: I'm working on it. You know, I want to. I 722 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: just want to do Alchemists and Rock Marcy tourska. I 723 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: knew we could go from there. That's what we're working 724 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: on right now. You know what I'm saying, I'm ready. 725 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: Since we're talking about on the road, so you talk 726 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: about fashion. I saw you was in Japan recently without 727 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: the designer Michaelmary for his grand opening. I saw a 728 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: post he said that you guys have a long relationship. 729 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: I grew up with a lot of people, man, with 730 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,919 Speaker 1: high school together. You went to high school, Micare Michael 731 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: went high school together. And I didn't put together everything 732 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: until he's you know, his success recently and we reconnected 733 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: and it was kind of a trip just seeing how 734 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: he went and what he built. And yeah, a lot 735 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: of people don't know how he would connect like that alchemist, 736 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's like actually all day, hey, listen, I 737 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: support anything he does. I support. I'm actually inspired by 738 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: him because like he's taking his brand up insane level, 739 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: like the movie he's making an incredible So I'm just 740 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: honored to be And you know, he remembers me when 741 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: I was a kid rapping, so I know him from 742 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: those days, so you know, and his his influence is 743 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: the same too, Like he grew up listening to Ciper's 744 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: Hill Far Side, you know, like a senior. He was 745 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: like a junior or what was it, like, Yeah, he 746 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: was a couple of years older. That's one of my 747 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: brothers here. But yeah, we have a couple of mutual 748 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: friends that it's a trip. Man, shout to Mike and 749 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: he's killing it. Yeah, man and Rock man, what could 750 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: I say? You guys guys had jose My Sorrother's name 751 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: whole swaye. He directed the DA video and he's you know, 752 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: spearheaded the gallery department. He talked about like you and 753 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: the collaboration you guys had. That's my brother, that's my partner. 754 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: You know, kills or of course you know kills you know, um, 755 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, just yeah, he's the ellest right now. So 756 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: you know I'm the ellest rapper. Like what I'm saying, 757 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: like yeah, So it's just like, let's just do this. 758 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: And so we just wanted to start making uh, just 759 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: like I was saying, we wanted to make want to 760 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: make merch that didn't feel like much. That was my 761 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: whole idea. I didn't want people to be I don't 762 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: want you to be wearing my shirt looking like a 763 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,439 Speaker 1: fan boy. You know what I'm saying. Some merch looks 764 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: like fanboy stuff. You know what I'm saying. I didn't 765 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: want that. I want it. I wanted a shirt that 766 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: a dude away on a date with. You know what 767 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, Um, it was dope because I 768 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: saw a lot of people rappers and just regularly every day, 769 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: I was like, but you guys know about Yeah, so 770 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: it just like turning it into like a Rolling Stones 771 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: tea or something, you know what I'm saying. So you 772 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: know that's that's that's what the idea was, and and 773 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 1: the homie delivered. You know, he's an amazing creative director. 774 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: And we got a lot of more stuff you know 775 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: that we you know, got coming. We're doing merch also 776 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: for this one. Um, we gotta be department and art. 777 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: They kills and a lot more. And she's the man. 778 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: I'm very inspired by him also, Yeah, like our friends 779 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: that do fashion inspire us as much as as the music. 780 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's crazy, like yeah, he's 781 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 1: a sex we go together, like you know what I'm saying. Art, 782 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, music in the fashion you 783 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: know before we got out here over rock. I gotta know, 784 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: why was your plug at first love? That's crazy because 785 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: that's funny you say that because um, you know I 786 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: laugh about this stuff, you know all the time. You know, 787 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't get an apartment or I have 788 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: certain things until crack was invented. Like you know what 789 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,479 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I wasn't getting no Jordan's and let's 790 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: get you know what I'm saying. I wasn't, you know, 791 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: so when crack was invented, I mean, my mom, you 792 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, it was like it was like, Okay, 793 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: I ain't gotta like you know, I can get I 794 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: get an apartment, like you know what I'm saying, I 795 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: ain't gotta move around. You know what I'm saying. It's 796 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: like bad, but the positive that's serious? Are you are 797 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,919 Speaker 1: you really going to start this YouTube series the phone go? Yeah, 798 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: I'm working on What is this? It's just it's basically 799 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 1: just I was going through the phone from all I could. 800 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: I saved all the old clips and footage, and I 801 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: have some ridiculous ship in the phone of tour stuff, 802 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm gonna start a little series just 803 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: little clips out of the phone stuff that people will 804 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: get a kick out of, you know, behind the scenes ship. 805 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: I gotta clear it with everybody before I do it. 806 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: Of course, so I had to go through that two 807 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: steps authentication type of thing. And then what's the mindset 808 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: with like the collages you like you'll use like capadonna 809 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: or something even iced tea you credited him like I 810 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: did that for us is a fan of rock and 811 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, so I reached out to him and when 812 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: I told him we were doing an album, he was like, 813 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: whatever you need. So we had the idea for that record. 814 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 1: So we kind of pitched it to him like yeah, 815 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: because we said that how crazy would it be if 816 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: he was just telling us a story about some crazy 817 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: ship that happen and now was all I gave him 818 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: because I didn't want to give him a script, And 819 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: he gave me four minutes like this iced tea. You 820 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He gave us sword and and 821 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: then we clipped it up and I made We made 822 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: the record and sent it to him and he was like, man, 823 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: this ship is cold and loved it. And yeah, we 824 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: actually we got a video to that joint too, so 825 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 1: so that will be coming song. Yeah, so it shout 826 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: to Ice and I appreciate you know the O G 827 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: who's that talking at the end of deja At the 828 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 1: end of the Deja Vu that might beat Miles Davis. 829 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: But we I just reached for a lot of the 830 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,399 Speaker 1: greats for inspiration on this record. You know what I'm 831 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: we well, we we'll be looking at stuff and it'll 832 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: all be like kind of like cross examined. And you 833 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: know the name of the album was Elephant Man's Bones. 834 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: We we looked into a lot of that stuff too, 835 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: but I felt like I didn't want to get too 836 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: literal with it, as I felt like the metaphor was 837 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: more powerful. Even the cover, we got a lot of 838 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,839 Speaker 1: art that was like bones elephant you know what I'm saying, 839 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: And it was like dope, But it was like putting 840 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 1: the hat on the hat and the name of the 841 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: album is already Elephant Man's Bones. Let's give him because 842 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: I feel like I knew what Rock came up with 843 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: the title, and I knew what he meant when he 844 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 1: said it, and it was more than metaphor. So I 845 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: felt like, let's keep it more art, just kind of 846 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: skimming across the top very nicely. And this is rare 847 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: for you guys. You ever sat together for an end 848 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: of you Yes, hey man, it's rap right off podcast 849 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: on that one, alchelmist Rock Mars the Elephant Man is 850 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: Bone stream that ship right now, man, do yourself a favor. Yeah, 851 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 1: thank you Fellers, Yeah yeah, yeah, very smooth, very smooth 852 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: rap Radors interval presents original production from hyper House, produced 853 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: by Laura Wasser, Hosts and producers Elliott Wilson and Brian b. 854 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: Dot Miller. From Interval presents executive producers Alan Coy and 855 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:50,240 Speaker 1: Jake Kleinberg, executive producer Paul Rosenberg, recording engineer Brian Curly, 856 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,799 Speaker 1: Editing and sound design by Mike Dorsey, operationous Lead Sarah You, 857 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,399 Speaker 1: Business Development Lead Chef e Ellen Swagg, and Marketing Lead 858 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: Samara Still. Let's sit on Amazon Music or wherever you 859 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: get your podcasts