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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: According to police, the so called dui mom crashes her

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Speaker 2: car into a canal, then flees the scene to take

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Speaker 2: a boozy drunken bath, leaving her four year old little

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Speaker 2: girl to drown in the car back in the canal.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Tragedy strikes near Modesto, California, when twenty six year old

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Speaker 3: juliet Acosta crashes her vehicle into an irrigation canal with

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Speaker 3: her four year old daughter, Reagan still inside of When

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Speaker 3: police arrived, Juliette is nowhere to be found, and what

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Speaker 3: they uncover next stuns the community.

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Speaker 2: Okay, crashing bad enough with your child in the car,

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Speaker 2: the car flipped in the water in a canal. Why

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Speaker 2: wasn't mommy frantically trying to save her daughter?

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Speaker 4: And why does she flee.

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Speaker 2: The scene to go take a boozy drunken bath, leaving

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Speaker 2: the baby in the car. Joining me an all star

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Speaker 2: panel to make sense of what we were learning right now.

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Speaker 4: But I want you to listen to this.

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Speaker 5: So is a baby strapped in it? Or would we

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Speaker 5: be looking in the water like I didn't know what

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Speaker 6: Acosta subru suv is upturned and partially submerged in the canal.

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Speaker 6: When Acosta's uncle arrives, he jumps into the water, helping

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Speaker 6: Acosta get out of the vehicle, but is unable to

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Speaker 6: find four year old Reagan. A neighbor describes seeing Juliet

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Speaker 6: Acosta and her uncle standing on top of the submerged vehicle,

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Speaker 6: but there's no sign of the little girl. The neighbor

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Speaker 6: asks if the child is in the car or in

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Speaker 6: the water, but Acosta doesn't provide an answer.

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Speaker 2: That from our friends at CBS thirteen Sacramento, straight out

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Speaker 2: to special guests joining us, Nina Burns, Reporter kov Our,

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Speaker 2: CBS thirteen Sacramento. Nina, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I'm trying to get my mind around

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Speaker 2: leaving a crash with your child and the backseats trapped

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Speaker 2: in in the water so you can go take a

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Speaker 2: drunken bath. But first things first, tell me about the

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Speaker 2: crash itself.

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Speaker 4: What happened, Nina.

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Speaker 7: So it was March eighth, It was a Sunday, and

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Speaker 7: what we've heard is that she was leaving her uncle's

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Speaker 7: house right by the canal. It was only about about

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Speaker 7: nine hundred feet, I would say, and she drove it

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Speaker 7: straight in. The uncle did dive in, saved her. They

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Speaker 7: went to the service a. As you heard earlier. The

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Speaker 7: witness said she saw the uncle jump in and retrieved

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Speaker 7: the mother. Twenty minutes later she realized the daughter was

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Speaker 7: still in the car, and that's when the sheriffay.

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Speaker 4: Whit white, white, white, white, hold on.

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Speaker 2: Nina, So the uncle that's the home that d ui, mom,

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Speaker 2: do you I?

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Speaker 8: Mom?

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Speaker 2: I had been at and she leaves there the crash occurred.

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Speaker 2: I want to hear about how that crash went down,

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Speaker 2: What exactly happened, I mean, driving on and suddenly in

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Speaker 2: the water.

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Speaker 4: There has to be something in between, you would assume.

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Speaker 7: But all of the witnesses heard the crash. I mean

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Speaker 7: it was pretty late at night. All we know is

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Speaker 7: when we saw the car go into the canal. That's

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Speaker 7: what we're still trying to figure out exactly how she

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Speaker 7: went straight on into that canal. I mean the road

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Speaker 7: is completely to the right. You do look at the screen.

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Speaker 7: I mean it is nowhere near.

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Speaker 4: Now, Nina Burns, I'm learning a little bit.

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Speaker 6: Listen, Juliette, A consta is driving home from a party

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Speaker 6: with her four year old daughter, Reagan Herron, buckled into

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Speaker 6: her car seat in the back of the Subaru Suv.

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Speaker 6: Driving south on Arlberg Road, Acosta is not in control

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Speaker 6: the road on the left hand side, sideswiping a pole,

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Speaker 6: pushing her vehicle back onto the asphalt. Acosta continues south

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Speaker 6: The sound of the crash into the pole and into

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, I'm hearing maybe five to seven times the

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Speaker 2: crash and the daughter's drowning death could have been avoided.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to joining me, Nina Burns you just her

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Speaker 2: joining us kov R CBS thirteen. Bill Garcia is with us,

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Speaker 2: owner of Bill Garcia Investigative Services. In this jurisdiction, critical

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Speaker 2: Bill and your jurisdiction. What's the blood alcohol necessary for

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Speaker 2: a duy charge?

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Speaker 9: It's a point zero eight and obviously she was at

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Speaker 2: You're seeing a shot right now, the so called dy mom,

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Speaker 2: Juliet Acosta. There she is when pregnant with three friends. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know I'm listening to this crash point zero eight.

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Speaker 2: How is it We've got so many cases where you

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Speaker 2: mix a mom with a car with booze and water,

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Speaker 2: always seems to be that way. Also joining me in

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Speaker 2: addition to Nina and Bill Garcia, special guest Kimberly Cockrel.

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Speaker 2: You know her well, victim service manager at Mother's Against

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Speaker 2: Drunk Driving who lost her best friend to a drunk

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Speaker 4: Kimberly, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear all the points during that scenario where

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Speaker 2: the baby Reagan could have been saved instead? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I haven't even gotten to the fact that mom goes

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Speaker 2: takes a drunken bath while the baby's drowning, while the

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Speaker 2: baby's upside down pinned with a seat belt. Can you

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Speaker 2: imagine what the baby was going through? What the little

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Speaker 2: girl screaming for mommy. I'm sure mommy gone. Listen to this, Kimberly, Okay,

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Speaker 2: the child's buckled into the back seat of the Subaru suv.

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Speaker 2: Driving south, she drives onto the shoulder of the road

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing in a boozy fit on the left hand side,

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Speaker 2: so she crosses across the lanes into oncoming traffic. She

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Speaker 2: The vehicle gets back onto the asphalt. Kreene's back onto

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Speaker 2: the asphalt. She then keeps driving, instead of just hitting

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Speaker 4: The sound of the crash was so wowed.

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Speaker 2: The crash into the pole, remember that original crash into

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Speaker 2: the pole and then into the water that neighbors all

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Speaker 2: run out to find out what happened. How many points

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Speaker 2: were there, Kimberly Cockraw in just that scenario where the

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Speaker 2: baby's life could have been saved by dui.

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Speaker 10: Mom numerous, the first, the first being that she should

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Speaker 10: have never put that baby in the car with her. Never,

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Speaker 10: She should have never been intoxicated behind the wheel. She

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Speaker 10: should never have had her daughter in that car. As

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Speaker 10: a mother, I do not understand this. How number one

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Speaker 10: she would do those actions, but how you would leave

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Speaker 11: With your child.

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Speaker 10: You know your child is in that water. You know

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Speaker 10: you put your child in that water, and you leave

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Speaker 10: there and go take a bath. The irony of that

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Speaker 10: is something that I have never the circumstances of this

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Speaker 10: in my thirty two years of dealing with mothers against

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Speaker 10: drunk driving and representing.

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Speaker 4: Them that I have ever heard in my life.

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Speaker 10: I have never heard circumstances this agregious, guys.

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Speaker 2: Not only did she have so many points during the

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Speaker 2: driving incident to save her daughter's life just four years old,

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Speaker 2: but think about the lead up because Kimberly, I often

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Speaker 2: hear in court it was just an accident. It's not

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Speaker 2: an accident driving drunk and crashing. It's not an accident.

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Speaker 2: I've handled plenty of hicular homicide cases, and this is

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Speaker 2: what I would argue to a jury. Was it an

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Speaker 2: accident that you went into the bar to start with?

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Speaker 4: Was it?

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Speaker 2: Was it an accident you had too much to drink

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Speaker 2: at dinner? Was that did somebody hold your mouth open

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Speaker 2: and force the alcohol down your mouth.

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Speaker 4: No, you did that all on your own.

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Speaker 2: That was your decision to get another drink, and another drink,

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Speaker 4: That's not a crime. I don't care.

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Speaker 2: It was your decision to get the car keys. That

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Speaker 2: was a decision. That was no accident. It was her

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Speaker 2: decision to rustle the keys out of her pocketbook or

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Speaker 2: wherever she kept them, to walk to the car to

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Speaker 2: strap her daughter into the car.

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Speaker 4: That was an accident.

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Speaker 2: No, she strapped Reagan into the back seat in a

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Speaker 2: car seat for safety. It was her decision to open

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Speaker 2: her door, get in, put the key in the ignition,

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Speaker 2: turn the ignition, reverse it, and put it in drive,

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Speaker 2: and put her foot on the gas.

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Speaker 4: None of that was an accident.

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Speaker 2: This is a dui vehiculo homicide crash with intent.

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Speaker 4: What I don't get, Kimberly.

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Speaker 2: That's why dui crashes fatalities are not considered to be

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Speaker 2: murdered because there's so much intent.

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Speaker 4: I agree with you.

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Speaker 10: I absolutely wish that every single one of these cases

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Speaker 10: could be murder. In the state of South Carolina where

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Speaker 10: I am, we don't have that option. I am very

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Speaker 10: glad that the state of California, where this woman committed

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Speaker 10: this crime, has that option, because that's something we just

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Speaker 10: don't have. But everyone should be considered.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: To Derek Smith joining me, high profile lawyer who has

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Speaker 2: handled plenty of moms, let me just say that are

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Speaker 2: not strangers to the criminal justice system. I remember your

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Speaker 2: last one where mommy went to Puerto Rico and left

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Speaker 2: her daughter to starve and a playpen. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how you do it, but you do do it, and

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Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of people are grateful you do it,

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Speaker 2: not me but them. Derek Smith joining me, as I said,

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Speaker 2: high profile lawyer at d W Smith Legal dot com.

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Speaker 4: Derek, how are you gonna explain away the boozy bath?

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Speaker 2: Mommy leaves the scene and goes.

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Speaker 4: Runs a hot bath. Nobody did that for her, strips

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Speaker 2: Well, the baby is still out there hanging upside down

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Speaker 2: from a car seat in a canal.

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Speaker 12: Those actions aren't necessarily the easiest to defend. Obviously, However,

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Speaker 12: we need to get into actually.

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Speaker 2: How if you're not going to say that to the jury, Derek, Well, really,

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Speaker 2: how to explain what she did?

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Speaker 4: But let me give it a stab.

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Speaker 12: How the intoxication happened. Now you mentioned before, you know,

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Speaker 12: maybe somebody wasn't pouring booze down her throat.

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Speaker 8: Maybe they were.

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Speaker 12: Maybe something was slipped into her drink that we don't

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Speaker 12: know about.

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Speaker 4: Okay, wait his demeanor when he says she was force

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Speaker 4: fed alcohol? Okay, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Would you repeat that? Maybe she was force fed the

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Speaker 2: alcohol by who?

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Speaker 4: Her uncle?

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Speaker 13: No, we don't know yet.

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Speaker 12: It's still early in the investigation, isn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 12: there could have been a new medication that she was on.

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Speaker 12: There could have been some other factors that led into

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Speaker 12: her getting to that state that she was in prior

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Speaker 12: to operating the vehicle. Well, like I said, whether it's

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Speaker 12: was involuntarily taking something she thought was something else that

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Speaker 12: caused this reaction chemically inside her body. And then the

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Speaker 12: second part, after the crash, was there some trauma, did

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Speaker 4: Scratch that off. Now you've got head trauma.

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Speaker 2: How could a beautiful, young first grade teacher be stabbed

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Speaker 2: Happened to Ellen Greenberg? A huge American miscarriage of justice.

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Speaker 2: Depth look at the facts, see What Happened to Ellen?

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Speaker 3: A call for help goes out after a car swerves

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I would call her missing so

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Speaker 2: Emergency Response diving instructor. Wow, you've seen a lot I

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Speaker 2: She's not missing, she's out taking a bath, a nice

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Speaker 4: You know when we see on TV.

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Speaker 8: It's just the word nightmare is very appropriate. That's the

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Speaker 2: Dobrin Er, Emergency Response Diving instructor, instructor, trainer, police diver,

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Speaker 2: Emergency Services diver. You're right, it's actually easier if you're

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Speaker 3: Four year old Reagan heron in the back of an ambulance.

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Speaker 3: Deputies search for the mother, the driver of the car

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Speaker 2: k VRCBS thirteen. They're in Sacramento, Nina, Uh, where is

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Speaker 1: Still waiting for that answer.

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Speaker 7: They told us if it was in the uncle's house

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Speaker 7: as she was taking a bath.

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Speaker 2: Also trying to figure out how deep the canal is,

441
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Speaker 2: Nana at that juncture, because it can be It can

442
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Speaker 2: be very deep twenty thirty feet deep at one spot

443
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Speaker 2: and less so at another spot.

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Speaker 4: We understand the car was upside down? Is that correct.

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Speaker 7: We have heard as well from the DA that the

446
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Speaker 7: car was not upright. Now I'm not sure if it

447
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Speaker 7: was exactly upside down on its side.

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Speaker 4: We just know it was not upright.

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Speaker 2: So Ben Dobrin, how would that add to the confusion

450
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Speaker 2: of the e mts of the cars upside down and

451
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Speaker 2: the child's hanging upside down?

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Speaker 8: That add a lot of confusions. You know, your brain

453
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Speaker 8: is wired. We see things every day. We see cars upright,

454
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Speaker 8: we see people, you know, babies in car seats, and

455
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Speaker 8: a particular you know, orientation upside down changes everything. And

456
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Speaker 8: then in dark water, you know you're feeling around, We

457
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Speaker 8: naturally feel on the floor for the seat. We put

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Speaker 8: our hand on the floor and ride rub our hand

459
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Speaker 8: up to the seat. Once we're in the seat, and

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Speaker 8: then we're gonna be searching for the car seat. Once

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Speaker 8: we find the car seat, we're gonna be looking for

462
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Speaker 8: the buckles. That tation change and now I'm not searching

463
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Speaker 8: on the floor, I'm searching on the ceiling basically for

464
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Speaker 8: that car seat. And so it just changes everything. Your

465
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Speaker 8: mindset has to completely change. And one of the things,

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Speaker 8: you know, the cars, when cars go in the water,

467
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Speaker 8: you know, it depends on what type of car is

468
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Speaker 8: the Most cars have an engine in the front that

469
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Speaker 8: will sink first, depending on the type of car. You know,

470
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Speaker 8: car with a trunk, the trunk will float for a while,

471
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Speaker 8: and suv doesn't have a trunk, but you're going to

472
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Speaker 8: have an air bubble that will make it float for

473
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Speaker 8: a while, and then when it starts to settle, they

474
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Speaker 8: usually don't settle on all four tires. A lot of

475
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Speaker 8: times they will roll over just because of the orientation.

476
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Speaker 8: That motor goes down first, and then it'll just roll

477
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Speaker 8: onto its roof. That's a very common thing for cars

478
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Speaker 8: when they go in the water, depending on the depth

479
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Speaker 8: of the water. If the water shallow enough, you know,

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Speaker 8: shallower than the length of the car. Oftentimes when that

481
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Speaker 8: the motor will hit before while the back end is

482
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Speaker 8: still floating, so then it will just rest on the

483
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Speaker 8: four tires. But if it's deeper, very often they will

484
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Speaker 8: roll and like you just said, sometimes they'll roll on

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Speaker 8: the roof, but a lot of times they'll just roll

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Speaker 8: on their side, which makes it even more difficult because

487
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Speaker 8: now you're going down into a car and looking you

488
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Speaker 8: don't have access to both sides of the doors. You

489
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Speaker 8: only have the doors that are exposed on what is

490
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Speaker 8: now the top end. So I mean the orientation of

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Speaker 8: the car makes it, you know, an unknown is what

492
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Speaker 8: you're going to find. And so whether it's on its

493
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Speaker 8: roof or on its side, it makes it very difficult

494
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Speaker 8: for people coming in, especially if those people are free diving.

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Speaker 8: That just is an extreme situation.

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Speaker 5: I can't get it out of my head. So yeah,

497
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Speaker 5: the time you close my eyes, as all I can

498
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Speaker 5: see it's a little girl coming out of the water.

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Speaker 4: Our friends CBS thirteen.

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Speaker 3: Sacramented police responding to a vehicle submerged in a Modesto

501
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Speaker 3: area Canal are stunned to find a young girl trapped inside,

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Speaker 3: but no adult in sight. The child's mother, twenty six

503
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Speaker 3: year old Juliet Acosta, is later found intoxicated in a bathtub.

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Speaker 2: Amts desperately performed CPR on four year old girl Reagan

505
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Speaker 2: and then load her into an ambulance and race her

506
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Speaker 2: to the hospital.

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Speaker 4: This is what happens.

508
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Speaker 6: Juliet Acosta is not at the accident, is seen when

509
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Speaker 6: deputies and rescue personnel arrive as her daughter is still

510
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Speaker 6: trapped in her car seat underwater. Acosta has gone to

511
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Speaker 6: a nearby home and reportedly when deputies arrive, she's taking

512
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Speaker 6: a bath. Acosta is arrested in charge with felony dui

513
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Speaker 6: when she's found to be nearly three times over the

514
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Speaker 6: legal blood alcohol limit. Her daughter, four year old Reagan Heron,

515
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Speaker 6: dies the next day at an area hospital. Acosta is

516
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Speaker 6: initially jailed in the felony dui charge and released on bond.

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Speaker 2: Moms plus children, plus car plus water the seminal case,

518
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Speaker 2: combining all of those into a deadly recipe.

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Speaker 8: This good, my love. That is a lady.

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Speaker 2: You come on Onda and some guy, a gentleman, to

521
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Speaker 2: a red light with her car with her two kids

522
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Speaker 2: in it. It tookf and she got out of call

523
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Speaker 2: here at Ohio.

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Speaker 6: In her call it I don't see your vehicle.

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Speaker 2: I need to go along down here, Susan Smith. Her

526
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Speaker 2: name will live in infamy forever. There's so many, there

527
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: are almost two many to count. Of course, there's Ebony

528
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Speaker 2: Wilkerson can't have the conversation without throwing her in.

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Speaker 14: Different video captures the moments a mini van drifts deeper

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Speaker 14: and deeper into the Atlantic off Daytona beach. Inside the van,

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Speaker 14: a pregnant mom and her three small children. Witnesses say

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Speaker 14: the vehicle was moving along the water's edge, then suddenly

533
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Speaker 14: plunged into the ocean. The children can be heard screaming,

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Speaker 14: help help us. By Standers rush toward the scene, pulling

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Speaker 14: two children out before realizing there is a baby in

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Speaker 14: her seat. The children tell police Mom tried to kill us.

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Speaker 2: F f from our friends at ID Investigation, Discovery and

538
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Speaker 2: of course Diane Schuler.

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Speaker 4: I have a family here that thinks that they might

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Speaker 4: have a medical emergency of their sister. There's three kids

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Speaker 4: in the car.

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Speaker 7: Five are trying to locate her.

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Speaker 4: The girls just called in distressed.

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Speaker 8: She said that the ants is driving very radically. We

545
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Speaker 8: think she's sick, and we're trying to.

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Speaker 14: Locate the kids.

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Speaker 4: She lives, the children die joining me.

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Speaker 2: In addition to the guest you met so far, doctor

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Speaker 2: Angela Arnold, a renowned psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction at

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Speaker 2: Angela Arnold md dot com, Doctor Angie, thank you for

551
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: being with us. The mixture of Mom's cars alcohol, it

552
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Speaker 2: never goes away.

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Speaker 4: It happens over and over and over. Dottr Angie, I.

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Speaker 11: Know, I mean the people and every time we hear

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Speaker 11: a story like this, it's heart Riching. There is a

556
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Speaker 11: comment that I would like to make about the child

557
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Speaker 11: being wrapped in the car seat Nancy, who put the

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Speaker 11: child in the car seat? Because if that mother straps

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Speaker 11: the baby in the car seat, then she knew enough

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Speaker 11: to put the baby in the car seat, even in

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Speaker 11: her drunken state. So what made her forget about the

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Speaker 11: baby between the time she put the baby in the

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Speaker 11: car seat and she crashed the car. No one's talked

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Speaker 11: about that.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan with me, death investigator, Professor Forensics Jacksonville

567
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Speaker 2: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon

568
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Speaker 2: starvia Hitting You series Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 2: I would say you've probably performed over one thousand death

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Speaker 2: scene investigations. Could you explain what the child goes through

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Speaker 2: in a drowning? Many people believe drowning is the single

572
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Speaker 2: worst death possible, much less.

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Speaker 4: For a four year old child. Joe Scott.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, we're talking about a vehicle that has inverted, Nancy.

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Speaker 13: So it's on the roof. Just imagine, if you will,

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Speaker 13: You're laying on a table on your back and your

577
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Speaker 13: head is hanging off of it. Someone takes a picture

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Speaker 13: of water and pours it directly into your nostrils and

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Speaker 13: into your mouth. That's the position she would have been in, Nancy,

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Speaker 13: because water is going to seek the lowest point of

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Speaker 13: gravity in that vehicle. It's not like some movie where

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Speaker 13: you have this air bubble above the head and people

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Speaker 13: are kind of gasping for air up there as the

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Speaker 13: water rises. That's not going to be the case. And

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Speaker 13: one more thing about this. Do you remember you had

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Speaker 13: mentioned early on, I know you do, where she apparently

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Speaker 13: struck a utility pole prior to going in the canal.

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Speaker 13: That's going to compromise the structural integrity of the vehicle.

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Speaker 13: So now I don't know for a fact, but she

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Speaker 13: might have a gap in the car already when she

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Speaker 13: goes in. And when we talk about baby Reagan, here,

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Speaker 13: the thing about it is this, upon that initial impact,

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Speaker 13: that child, if she was asleep at that time, she

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Speaker 13: will be awakened with a jolt. She's going to start

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Speaker 13: shallow breathing already out of fear. And then when the

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Speaker 13: car goes into the canal and begins to invert, now

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Speaker 13: she's going to be tasked with trying to fight for

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Speaker 13: her life. While being strapped in and inverted as water

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Speaker 13: begins to fill the cabin. Now, I can tell you

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Speaker 13: this at autopsy. One of the things that we're going

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Speaker 13: to see with this child is that her lungs will

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Speaker 13: be heavier than normal. And here's something that people don't

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Speaker 13: think about as well. There would be water actually in

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Speaker 13: her stomach because she's going to be ingesting water. She's

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Speaker 13: gulping like this, just trying to do anything she can

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Speaker 13: to survive, and of course there's no way that she

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Speaker 13: can being in this compromise position.

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Speaker 2: How long would she have lingered there? J Scott calling

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Speaker 2: out for her mother with the water coming up around her.

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Speaker 2: I mean I always think of Susan Smith's boys as

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Speaker 2: the water came up, people could I mean, they apparently

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Speaker 2: were screaming for their mother.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and those kids were strapped, they were upright. Remember

614
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Speaker 13: her car went down the ramp, she just kind of

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Speaker 13: let it glide down into that lake. It's not the

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Speaker 13: case with Reagan. This was a very violent event that happened,

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Speaker 13: and the car kind of twisted in the air and

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Speaker 13: in the water, and so it winds up this way.

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Speaker 13: I would estimate that it would not have been I

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Speaker 13: want to be very clear about this. She's not going

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Speaker 13: to immediately lose consciousness. And the reason I know that

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Speaker 13: is she's strapped in a car seat. So unless the

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Speaker 13: integrity of the vehicle is so compromised that she sustains

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Speaker 13: blunt force trauma and strikes her head, she's going to

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Speaker 13: be awake during this Nancy certain point when she begins

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Speaker 13: to lose consciousness. I'm thinking probably top end, maybe about

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Speaker 13: a minute to minute thirty seconds. Remember, her little lungs

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Speaker 13: don't have the same capacity as ours do.

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Speaker 6: Expecting to arrest Juliet Acosta in Stanislaus County, the California

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Speaker 6: Highway Patrol tries to serve a nobail warrant for second

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Speaker 6: degree murder. A Coosta has been free on bail on

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Speaker 6: the DUI charge, and investigators don't find her in Stanislaus

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Speaker 6: County as expected. Chief Deputy District Attorney Wendall Emerson says

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Speaker 6: investigators apprehended a Costa at a San Francisco hotel as

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Speaker 6: she is trying to flee the area. A Costa's father,

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Speaker 6: in Clifford, Acosta Junior, is detained on suspicion of aiding

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Speaker 6: his daughter's flight. Acusta's attorney Gil Samara says his client

638
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Speaker 6: was not on the run.

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Speaker 1: Kyle, lawyer's got.

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Speaker 2: A lot more to worry about than his client hold

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Speaker 2: up in a hotel with her dad on the run.

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Speaker 2: That from our friends at CBS thirteen is Sacramento. So

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Speaker 2: the lawyer is focusing on she was not attempting to flee.

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Speaker 2: That's completely false. Why would you say that? Okay, then

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Speaker 2: why she hold up in the hotel in a different city?

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Speaker 2: And then he focuses on another issue? Or is he

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Speaker 2: not focusing on the fact that four year old Reagan

648
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Speaker 2: is dead?

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Speaker 4: But listen to this.

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Speaker 6: Julie had A Costa's attorney, Gil Samara deny she was

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Speaker 6: taking a bath after the accident, claiming the timeline is

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Speaker 6: almost impossible, telling the Independent quote time wise, you can't

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Speaker 6: go take a bath while your daughter's drowning.

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Speaker 4: So I don't quite get it.

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Speaker 2: Derek Smith, you're the veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney. Why

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Speaker 2: is the attorney focusing on she didn't flee the same

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Speaker 2: she did not and I will convince a jury she

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Speaker 2: did not take a bath. Okay, what about driving drunk

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Speaker 2: and killing your daughter? Shouldn't that be his priority?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, but we're talking about, you know, intent and culpability here.

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Speaker 12: If you're running, if you're fleeing, you're alluding to the

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Speaker 12: point that you might have some kind of liability or

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Speaker 12: some criminal intents here. But if you're just going to

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Speaker 12: focus on the fact that, hey, you know, she wasn't

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Speaker 12: taking a bath, she wasn't fleeing, she wasn't a right

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Speaker 12: you can start to build a defense around intent, around

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Speaker 12: what her mental state was during the accident, during I

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Speaker 12: guess prior to drinking, while she was drinking, or other

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Speaker 12: circumstances around that. But if you can create some kind

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Speaker 12: of narrative within the public or within the prosecution, No,

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Speaker 12: she wasn't fleeing. She was just doing what she had

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Speaker 12: to do to kind of come to grips with the

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Speaker 12: fact that her daughter is gone, because that's the main tragedy.

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Speaker 12: Hear that she had a beautiful child that.

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Speaker 8: Is not with us anymore.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So as they go to arrest her on a

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Speaker 2: nobel warrant on second degree murder, they find her slung

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Speaker 2: a hiding out at a San Francisco hotel. Okay, Bill Garcia,

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Speaker 2: how far would that be away from the canal crash?

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Speaker 2: If she's in a hotel in San Francisco.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, this sence, it's right about one hundred miles, so

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Speaker 9: it's quite a significant distance.

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Speaker 13: From the Oakdale area.

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Speaker 9: And I'm not really sure why was that far from

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Speaker 9: her home.

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Speaker 2: And what they want to put Please, I just have

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Speaker 2: to see Bill Garcia. Bill, you don't know why she

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Speaker 2: was hold up in a hotel?

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Speaker 9: No, And that's a significant distance away from where she

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Speaker 9: lived and from where the incident occurred. So there has

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Speaker 9: to be some kind of reason why she was that

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Speaker 9: far away and why she was with me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're telling me you don't think you know

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Speaker 2: the reason. She leaves the scene where her daughter is

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Speaker 2: dying upside down in her suv in a canal as

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Speaker 2: the water slowly engulfs the little baby. Everybody else is

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Speaker 2: out there trying to save the baby while she's taking

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Speaker 2: a warm bath. And now, I mean, Bill, have you

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Speaker 2: ever heard this phrase when you don't know a horse,

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Speaker 2: look at her track record. When you don't know what

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Speaker 2: somebody's going to do, look at what they've already done.

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Speaker 2: She's already fled the scene with her daughter dying years old.

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Speaker 2: So you're telling me the straight face, you don't know

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Speaker 2: why she was snugged up in a hotel over an

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Speaker 2: hour away near a major airport.

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Speaker 9: As an investigator, I do have my suspicions as to

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Speaker 9: why she was doing it.

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Speaker 2: And what only my stars man, I'm a JD, not

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Speaker 2: a DDS. I can't pulltate. Why please blurt it out.

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Speaker 9: Well, she's trying to get away from the situation. And

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Speaker 9: whether she was trying to flee to a different region,

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Speaker 9: another country, we don't know. But all of these things

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Speaker 9: put together do show the intent that she was trying

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Speaker 9: to flee.

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Speaker 6: The day Scott Peterson is arrested, he has dyed his

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Speaker 6: brown hair blonde and grown out of goatee. His Mercedes

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Speaker 6: is stuff with survival gear, camping gear, several changes of clothing,

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Speaker 6: two driver's license, his and his brothers, four cell phones,

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Speaker 6: fifteen Granny cash, and twelve Viagra pills.

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Speaker 2: Families trying to help their loved one. In that case,

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Speaker 2: it was Scott Peterson. He goes on the run, bleaches

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Speaker 2: his hair, U is a car in his mother's name,

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Speaker 2: and Mercedes as I recall with ten thousand dollars cash,

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Speaker 2: camping equipment, water filtration equipment, and a technical legal term

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Speaker 2: crap ton of viagra with fake IDs using his brothers.

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Speaker 2: I believe driver's license. But the family says, no, no,

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Speaker 2: he wasn't fleeing. He just wanted to go play a

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Speaker 2: round of golf and he didn't want the media to

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Speaker 2: follow him. He needs viagra for that family helping their

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Speaker 2: loved one. In this case, the father is found with

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Speaker 2: the so called duy moms. Juliet Acosta joining me, as

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Speaker 2: you know from CBS thirteen kov R Nina Burns, Nina,

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Speaker 2: what have you learned?

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Speaker 4: You were in court yesterday? What did you learn?

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Speaker 7: I did talk to Acosta's defense attorney, who told me,

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Speaker 7: for starters, the reason she was in San Francisco was

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Speaker 7: she was accompanying her father on business trip, his business.

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Speaker 7: She wanted to be a family, That's what she was there.

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Speaker 7: And he says his qualm with the DA then releasing

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Speaker 7: the stement that she was trying to flee, is that

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Speaker 7: he was informed the day before that she was going

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Speaker 7: to be charged with second degree murder. He told them

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Speaker 7: she would turn herself in at eight am on Friday.

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Speaker 7: They came in much earlier to San Francisco that Friday

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Speaker 7: and then arrested her.

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Speaker 2: Nina, I'm sure you've heard the name Sean Combs. He

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Speaker 2: was going to turn himself into but the fans arrested

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Speaker 2: him at a five star hotel for a reason.

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Speaker 4: They thought he was going to flee.

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Speaker 2: So I appreciate what the father is doing here, but

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Speaker 2: do you recall the two gorgeous Kansas moms that were

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Speaker 2: on their way to pick up children for a children's

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Speaker 2: birthday party as Veronica Butler and Jilly and Kelly. They

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Speaker 2: were brutally murdered over a custody issue by who family members?

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Speaker 2: What Emily won't do to save their loved one. Was

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Speaker 2: dad really on a business trip? Well, I'm sure we'll

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Speaker 2: find out. Nana Burns, where does the case stand now?

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Speaker 7: It's started off with just a felony dui and then

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Speaker 7: she was arrested on second degree murder. Right now, the

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Speaker 7: DA off the record has some ideas and why they're

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Speaker 7: going to nail her for that. But the defense attorney

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Speaker 7: also says that you know, in his exact words for

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Speaker 7: Beatam is that the dui felony charge was already a

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Speaker 7: horrible felony charge. Adding a second degree murder charge doesn't

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Speaker 7: really change much.

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Speaker 4: We wait as justice sun falls. Nancy Grace signing off

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Speaker 4: goodbye friend,