WEBVTT - Fee Waybill 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.320 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob left Seth Podcast. 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:16.799 My guest today is feed Way Bill of two Fee. 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:19.440 Good to have you here, Bob, thank you for having me. 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:23.440 I appreciate it. That's great. Okay, let's start right from 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.479 the beginning. In your everyday life, are you Fee or 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.760 are you John? Well, it depends on who you're talking to. 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:34.920 I guess my wife calls me Fee, Elizabeth, and everybody 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:39.080 in my family calls me Fee, but then uh. I 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:42.319 at the tennis club they tell me Fee. But at 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.839 the polo club, I played polo and uh. When I 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.560 first started playing polo, I tried to disguise the fact 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.360 that I was some rock guy, and I told him 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.520 my name was John, so they all call me John. Okay. 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.440 Polo is known as the sport of kings. How does 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.680 a row star end up playing polo? Well? I was 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:05.280 raised on a horse. My brother and I have been 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.680 horsemen our whole lives. My dad was a riding instructor 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:13.640 and a horse show judge. So we grew up in Scottsdale, Arizona, 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.959 and we're on a horse from the time I was 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.560 about five years old until I bailed out at eighteen 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.199 I was on a horse, and uh, and my brother. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:28.160 I moved to California and obviously got into music, and 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:33.640 my brother stayed and he still lives in Scottsdale, Arizona, 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.119 and he would always and he has horses, and he 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.840 was the one that I mean, he's done everything. He's 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:44.440 done roping and herding and every kind of discipline on 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:46.840 a horse. And he would always ask people, well, how 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.480 come you don't get a horse, And I said, you know, well, 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.480 I live in San Francisco. Okay, there's not a lot 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:57.080 of horses around here. And and then he he uh. 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.760 He got into polo in Scottsdale, and he was, Okay, 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:04.000 now I found something that really is fun and really great. 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.880 And and by that time I had moved to l 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.680 A and there's you know, he says, you gotta try this. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.000 You gotta get back on the horse and try this. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.440 You're gonna love it. And so I said, okay, I did. 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:19.840 And I went to the California Polo Club and they said, uh, 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:21.959 I said, I want to learn. It's an arena club. 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:26.280 It's arena is like arena football. It's a smaller version 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.480 of outdoor polo. And they said, okay. First lessons free 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.920 and uh and I said okay, and I just immediately 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:36.880 I loved it. I loved to be back on a 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.680 horse again. And so I've been playing for twenty years. Okay, 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:44.680 So how extensive is the polo scene in southern California. Well, 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:49.320 it's not. I mean, there's there's the Santa Barbara Polo Club, 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.640 which is pretty high end, and we have an arena 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.280 club here in in in l A. And there's also 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.000 the Will Rogers Polo Club in l A. And then 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.160 in California, there's one in San Diego, there's one in uh, 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:07.680 Orange County, there's one on San Louis Obispo. There's one 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.400 in Temecula. Yeah, there's a bunch of them. There's a 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.120 bunch of clubs all around this and they and in 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.480 the winter in out in the desert in Indio. That's 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.840 big time polo. They have people come from all over 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.120 the USA to play polo out there. How good a 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.720 polo player are you and how often do you play? 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.280 I play usually? Well, right now, my horses are out 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:31.200 at pasture. You have to let them rest. And actually 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.000 next Monday I'm going up to get them and bring 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.000 them back to the club and then I'll play through 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:40.320 the spring and summer. I'm a one or a two. 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:46.360 They they handicap you from minus to to ten being best. 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.120 And so I started as a minus two and I 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.400 got better and they raised me to minus one and 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.560 then zero and then one and then too. And so i'm, 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:59.400 you know, I'm I'm just a recreational player. I'm you know, 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:04.040 I ah. I really try to protect myself and protect 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:08.920 my horses and never never get to, you know, to 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.760 ultra competitive, you know, where I'm going to hurt myself 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:16.200 or or or injuring one of my horses. So how 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.040 often do you play? I play? Uh, usually I play 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.839 Saturday and Sunday morning, and then sometimes I play Thursday 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.840 night under the lights, So two to three times a week. 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.000 And how many people in arena polo as opposed to 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.920 regular polo. Regular polo is four on the four, four 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:37.120 on four. Arena polo is three on three. And how 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.640 dangerous is it? Really? Has certainly seen a number of 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.880 polo matches and it looks dangerous for those who are 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:45.880 not horse savvic. Yeah, it's dangerous. And you know, my 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:49.080 wife keeps My wife is really you know, if she 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:54.520 really worries about me, and I mean people die. You know, 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.159 if you're riding down the field full blast on a 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:01.200 horse and it stumbles and you hit the deck, you 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:05.479 could break your neck really easily and die. But in 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.279 arena polo you don't ever really it's only a hundred 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.960 yards by fifty yards, so you don't really get to 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:15.800 full speed in that shorter distance and it's not as dangerous. 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.559 But people fall off and they you know, they break 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.720 their leg and break their elbow and break their wrist. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:26.280 And I've I've had a couple of injuries, but nothing serious, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.679 you know, just I like cracked a rib once, but 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:34.839 you know, nothing, nothing too serious. And we play with girls, right, 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.359 and so it's a co ed sport and nobody wants 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.679 to slam the girls into the wall. It's our club 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:46.120 is very recreational. Nobody is trying to you know, win 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.919 money or trophies or anything like that. It's just fun. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.760 We just have fun. What's the key to being a 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:57.160 great polo player? Number One? You can't think about writing. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.360 You have to be a good writer. You can't think 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:04.760 about following off the horse and you have to uh, 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.000 you know, it's just hand to eye, you know, I 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.919 played baseball my whole life, and and a ball a 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.559 polo balls about the size of the softball. It's about 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:16.400 that big around arena ball, and you know, you have 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.320 a mallet and you hit the ball, and you know 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.920 there's a lot of rules and you just have to 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:26.800 you have to. You have to be aware, be aware 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.440 of the horse and the arena and all the other people, 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.919 and it's just and then be able to hit the ball. 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.599 You know, I never had a problem hitting the ball, 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.640 so and once I learned to ride again, you know, 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.440 it's it's easy, it's fun. So you're saying, an arena 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.160 ball as opposed to four or four is a different 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.160 size ball. The arena ball is about the size of 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:55.240 the softball. It's like a soccer ball inflated leather and 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.599 in an outdoor ball is about the size of the baseball. 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:04.640 And it's solid plastic, really hard, solid plastic. So yeah, 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:09.239 at the ArenaBall, you can use the wall to bounce 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:14.360 it off the wall. It's it's more it's it's it bounces. 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:19.720 You know. Historically polo is seen as expensive. Is it expensive? Well, 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.320 it depends on what level of polo you play. If 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.840 you're if you're going to India or for your going. 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:29.640 I mean, polo is a big time in Florida. And 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.360 if you travel to Florida and if you have you know, 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:36.760 if you have really expensive horses, it can be really expensive. 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:41.640 But but then again it can be recently inexpensive. You know, 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.920 my horses. I think the most expensive horse I I had, 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.640 I bought ever bought, was like five thousand dollars. And 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.239 but people pay a hundred thousand dollars for a polo horse. 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.800 It's just all depends on how high a level you 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.920 want to play and how much does it cost to 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.920 keep a horse for a year for a well, the 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:05.800 board at my club is seven and fifty dollars a 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:11.160 month per horse, and that includes feed and lodging, and 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:15.000 that also includes a groom to tack up your horse 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:19.320 and to wash your horse and basically exercise your horse. 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:23.600 They exercise six days a week to stay you know, 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:28.040 they they're athletic and so it's not that expensive. Our club, 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.480 we have a great club, California Polo Club is a 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.520 great club and it's not that expensive to play. People 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.040 can start and you know, you can take a lesson 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:40.000 for like hundred bucks. You can take a lesson and 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.760 and learn to play. And then of course then you 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:44.480 have to get a horse, and you have to get 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.640 a saddle, and you have to get a bridle, and 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:48.800 you have to pay the board, and you have you know, 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.000 it adds up. So since you know this so so 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:55.640 much about horses, what is going on with all the 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:59.600 horses dying and horse racing, especially in southern California. I know, 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:04.600 I know it's terrible. Well, no one really knows. I've 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:09.079 read a lot about it. Uh, and some people say 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:14.199 it's a bad track. Uh you know, Uh sometimes they 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:18.920 use artificial uh instead of just a dirt track. It's 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:23.120 it's some kind of artificial composite. And people say that's bad. 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:28.360 But uh, the ones in Santa Anita where the horses, 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:34.240 so many horses died, Uh, they don't know. I mean, 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:38.559 horse racing is a bad sport. You know. People spend 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:42.880 millions of dollars on race horses and then when they 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:46.920 don't win, they tell their trainer, you know, I spent 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.360 a million dollars on this horse. It needs to win. 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:51.880 Do whatever the hell you have to do to get 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:53.720 it to win. So what do they do? They give 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.960 them drugs, they give them. It's that simple. It's they 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:02.640 they load these horses up with ugs and sometimes and 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:06.280 you know, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes they bleed. 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.880 Sometimes they push them too hard. The other thing I 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.280 don't like about horse racing is they start them when 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:15.920 they're two years old. That's too young for a horse 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:20.160 to start racing full speed. They're not grown yet, their 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:24.880 bones are not fully formed. Uh. In polo, you know 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:29.599 in Argentina, which is polo is the national sport in Argentina, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.160 they don't even start training a horse untill they're five 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:37.360 or six years old. So two years old or three 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.800 years old is just too young to force a horse 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.440 to run as fast as it could go. And that's 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.440 what happens. You know, they all kinds of things happen, 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.880 and you know they it's it's about money. That's what 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.760 it's about, Bob. It's about money. And they don't want 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:58.320 to say that, Oh no, it's it's you know, because 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:02.560 it's money and it's all about money. And they don't 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.440 want to close down Santa Anita because they're making a 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:10.400 ton of money. And you know, the people who are 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.360 the people want to race and they want to win money, 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.440 and that's you know, it's that's what it's about. So 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.440 you also said you play tennis. Are you a good 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.920 athlete in general and doing a million things or these 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.640 are just your two sports? No, I I I've always 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:29.560 been athletic, and of course being the lead singer of 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.720 the Tubes was all always pretty athletic. When I'm doing 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:37.000 ten or fifteen costume changes in the show, you know. Uh, 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:44.280 but uh, I played. My dad started little league in Scottsdale, Arizona, 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:50.440 back in gosh, she was nineteen fifty six, And uh, 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.199 I started playing baseball from the time I was eight 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.880 years old and played baseball all, you know, all the 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:00.600 way through school through high school and then and then 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:06.040 even even continued playing fast pitch softball until you know, 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:10.200 until about two thousand three or two thousand four, and 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.600 then fat men's fast pitch softball kind of disappeared and 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.120 it became a women's sport, and that's when I switched 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.079 to polo. But I've always been athletic. I've always had 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:23.719 some kind of sport. And my wife is a unbelievable 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:27.880 tennis player. She's played her whole life through high school 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.480 and college and and uh, she is a great player, 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:35.000 and she's she convinced me to start taking polo lessons, 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:40.719 you know, at seventy years old. And uh, because basically 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.920 she would love me to stop playing polo and start 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.960 playing tennis instead. Okay, so she convinced you to play 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.840 take tennis lesson, Yes, yes she did. Okay, because you said, 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:51.760 I want to make clearify, let's go back to the 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:55.000 very beginning. I always thought your name was completely made up. 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.680 Way Bill is your real last name? Yeah, oh yeah, 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:00.840 that's my real last name. And he give us any 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.240 history of that because I always think of shipping in 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.800 way bill. Do you know where it comes from? Yeah? Yeah, 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:09.040 A way bill is the list of stuff they've they're 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:13.520 hauling in the back of the truck. Yeah. And uh, 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:19.320 well it's my father's father. His name was Jail. Came 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:24.240 from England and uh. Names that end in two l's 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:29.080 are usually an English name. And uh, that was their 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.640 name back in England that they it wasn't changed. That 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:36.360 was you know, before they had the term way bill. 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:41.240 There was way bills. There was the history of the 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:46.640 family of way Bills. They were from, uh, Brighton, bright 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.480 Bristol or Brighton. I think Brighton, England is where my 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:54.280 family came from okay, and why fee for the uh 0:13:54.559 --> 0:14:03.160 lesson knowledgeable? Ah, that's um well was shortened from Fiji 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.880 and one. Back in the old days when we were 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.360 all living in San Francisco, living together in a two 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:16.840 bedroom condemned house on Noriega Street. The the the bass player, 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:23.400 UH thought that I looked like the King of Fiji, 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.480 which I could never understand. The King of Fiji was 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:32.440 a black band with an Afro about that day, and 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:37.880 they started calling me Fiji and I. You know, you 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.400 can't pick your own nicknames, that's for sure. Back in 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:45.080 our area, they had nicknames them. So I was Fiji 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.720 and I was Fiji up until the time. Uh. The 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.840 our our bass player Rick Anderson, still calls me feed 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:56.840 because we feed fee j fej uh. And when we 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:04.280 made our first record in ninet for n M Records, UH, 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.440 they wanted us to put They said, okay, well, what's 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:13.680 your name and and and I thought feed. I didn't 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.840 want to say. I shortened it then from Fieg. I 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.760 took the j off from feedg to fee and I 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.840 thought the fee for the way bill, Oh yeah, it's 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:27.080 kind of like terry cloth or you know, probably very good. Okay, 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.240 you mentioned your wife. How long you've been married. I 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:35.200 have been married, well, on and off for thirty years. 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.360 Thirty years to the same woman, to the same woman. 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.400 What's the on and off part. Well, we got married 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:46.400 and then and we got We met in nine at 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:53.520 a Mayan temple in Guatemala on a solar eclipse January 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:59.000 July eleven, we met and we were on separate vacations. 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.440 She was on a occation with some English school teacher 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.960 from Santa Monica and I was on a vacation with 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:08.080 my best friend. And we we were Mayan iss we 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.960 were we went there to look at Mayan temples and 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.640 we were put both into Mayan history. And we met 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:22.040 at the Mayan ruin of Tikal on July eleven, and uh, 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.440 the guy that she was with recognized me, and you know, 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.520 came walking out of the jungle and said, hey, you're 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.760 fee Waybill from the tubes. And I just went and 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:36.400 then I immediately fell in love with his girlfriend, and 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.520 and so we spent the day together and then they 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.160 at the end of the day, we're going back to 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.160 Belize where we were staying, and they're going back to 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.120 Santa Monica. And I said, you know, I didn't know. 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:53.480 I was desperate to try to reach this person, and 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.720 you know, so it's funny, I asked. The guy said 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:59.480 he had a video camera, one of those giant video 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.160 cameras that the whole day was taken video. And so 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.359 at the end of the day, I said, Randy, you know, 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.080 could I get a copy of the video? Which was 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.720 a ruse, and he goes, oh, sure it called me 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.200 when we get back to Santa Monica and I said okay, 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:15.760 and so I did, and then I said, yeah, I 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:18.920 need a copy of the video. Yeah. I said, oh, 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.639 what a what about Liz? What about that girl you 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:25.359 were with? Liz? He goes, oh, nothing, Na, nothing, would 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:29.840 give me, no information at all. And so I went 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:31.920 and got the video and I said, we asked again. 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:37.440 He goes, na, Na, She's no, it's not happening, and 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.959 uh so I kind of gave up on that. And 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:45.439 then eight that was July. Eight months later, in February 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:50.520 of two, I'm working out at the Santa Monica Athletic 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.560 Club and she walks in the door of the club 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.679 and she was she wasn't even a member, she was 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.760 the guest of a member. And I saw her and 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:01.880 she saw me and I just kind of went, oh 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.719 my god, I can't believe it. And then we started 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:09.000 dating and live and then we got married in We 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.960 got married in ninety seven, got divorced in two thousand one, 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:19.480 went separate ways uh and and then we got back 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:24.880 together in two thousand eight, like six seven years later, 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:28.639 we got back together. And then we got married a 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:34.640 second time on the anniversary of the day we met, 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:43.199 which was July eleven, uh nineteen. What set en we 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:52.720 got married a second time? Okay? A couple of questions. 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:57.119 Have you been married before? No? Okay? Have any children? No? Okay? 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.800 What happened in those seven odd years when we're separated? 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:02.080 Why did you get divorced? And why did you get 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.760 back together? And when you divorced just on paper see 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:07.480 each other or were you really separate in those eras? No, 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:11.159 we didn't. We you know, I was living in a 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:15.000 little house in Sherman Oaks. You know, we just you 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.440 warn n to the truth. I was back then when 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.240 marijuana was not legal. I was growing pot in the 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:25.840 backyard and with smoke pottle day long. And finally she says, God, 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:28.800 I can't handle it. You're just smoke poddle day long. 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.159 And then we got divorced, and then you know, I 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:34.959 went out, no, and we didn't see each other for 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:40.680 seven six seven years. I you know, the tubes reformed. 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:45.600 I went back on the road. She uh uh went 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:49.159 to work and and became a commercial real estate agent 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:53.920 and then invested in commercial property and and took over 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.879 her dad's business. Of so she went to work and 0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:01.200 I went to work, and and then, uh, it's funny, 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:06.520 you know my dad, uh, my dad, besides being a 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:10.960 writing instructor, my dad was a chief engineer of one 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:15.280 of the very first resort hotels in Scottsdale, called the 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:20.560 Valley ho And so he knew how he knew everything. 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:24.679 My dad knew plumbing and electrical and carpentry, and he 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:28.280 could do anything. And he taught my brother and I 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.200 to do that. He he taught us everything. He taught 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:34.600 us plumbing, he taught us electrical, he taught us carpentry. 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:40.400 So I can fix anything pretty much. And Elizabeth was 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:46.080 was reading this business and getting screwed by various vendors, 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:49.280 by the plumber, by the electrician. But she didn't know, 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:51.760 you know, if they were in a good or she 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:54.119 didn't know if they were charging her too much. She 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:58.480 just you know, that wasn't something that she really understood. 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:00.760 And so one day she called, she goes, you know, 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:04.000 I don't know if this is a good plumber or not, 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.880 you know all about plumbing. Can you help me with this? 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:09.720 Can you can you check this guy out and find 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:13.560 out if he's just you know, overcharging me or you know, 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:18.080 And I said, okay, And so, uh so I did it. 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:20.120 So I helped her out, and I you know, I 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:21.720 got her a new plumber, and I got her a 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:26.600 new new electrician and a new eric. You know, I 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:30.760 pretty much fired everybody she had and got somebody better. 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:36.360 And you know, we started working together and on commercial property, 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:42.159 and uh and then that kind of rekindled the romance. 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:46.000 And uh, but I had never you know, I wrote 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:48.959 a I used to I used to live in a 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.560 little house in Venice, and I would like I would 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.639 sit up all night and I get hammered and smoke 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:58.560 pot or or drink and write poetry for her to 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:03.359 her and and then I send a texture poetry and 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:06.600 I finally put a book together, a poetry book, and 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.600 but it was all too and it worked. It kind 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:13.320 of she kind of went, God, you still Anyway, we 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:17.040 got back together because of the poetry book, and uh, 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:20.399 and then you know, we started living together and and 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:24.399 uh we got married again. So and we still were together. 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.760 I'm sitting in She's an artist. She loves art, and 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.879 she's very besides being a great tennis player, she's a 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:34.679 wonderful artist. And so we turned our garage into an 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:38.200 arts studio. So we've got this. You know, the cars 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:40.880 are parked on the street, but we have this. That's 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:44.960 where I'm sitting now. We have this gorgeous studio downstairs 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:46.879 that used to be the garage and now we have 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:49.840 a little kitchen and a little bathroom. And she comes 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:53.960 down here and just is in heaven and has a 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:57.560 great big wall. I'm looking at this gigantic wall where 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:01.040 she's working on a piece that's got she's it's got 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:04.960 to be ten ft by eight by ten or something giant. 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:11.040 And so you know, so I'm just happy as a 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:16.320 clam and so lucky, you know. And so you're about 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:19.520 to play some live dates. What's the thinking about playing 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:22.119 those live dates? Why with the tombs she's been her 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:27.880 with my solo I was about to play. In fact, 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:30.640 it was the first gig was supposed to be tomorrow. 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:36.240 I did the solo album My fee Way Bill Rides 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:39.240 Again and which I said to you, by the way, 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:47.640 and and I put together with my best friend Richard Marks. 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:51.840 I put Richard. Richard wrote the songs and produced it 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:57.760 with me. And he's the guy's beyond brilliant and has 0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:01.439 been my best friend for gosh since we met in 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:06.520 in the studio with David Foster back in and we've 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.320 written songs all these years. And so we made this 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:13.160 record and uh, and I've never done a solo show ever. 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:16.960 And he said, why let's do a solo show is 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:19.720 that you can use my band. I'll help you. We 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:21.800 can put it together and you can use my band 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:24.560 and do let's do some gigs. We've never done it. 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:33.400 And so we were supposed to have done gigs this weekend, 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:37.560 a gig in Phoenix in the Troubadour in l A 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:40.600 and then a gig in Orange County at the Coach House, 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:44.760 and uh, but that you know, we had it all 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:50.480 set up and then O Macron happened and then the 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:54.000 whole thing, you know, collapsed, and people are afraid to 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:59.240 go out still, and you know, so so we've postponed it, 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:02.119 We've post spooned the gigs till the end of the summer. 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:05.440 But then we've got tubes gigs we've got We're playing 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:09.879 in March, uh in Chicago and Minneapolis and Omaha, and 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:13.479 then we've got gigs coming up throughout the year. And uh, 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:19.880 you know why am I doing it? Why? Because that's 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:25.320 what I do and I live for the stage. And 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.280 I mean it's I mean, you saw me. You you 0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:33.160 went to that David Bowie gig right in at Water Village. Yeah, 0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:35.520