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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one one, and

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Speaker 1: today we are joined by Will Primos and we're discussing

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Speaker 1: the white tail rout calling strategies for deer hunting the South,

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Speaker 1: and a whole lot more. All right, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sit to Gear,

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Speaker 1: and today we are in four a treat. Uh not

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Speaker 1: as I'm saying this, I'm thinking like stupid cheesy Halloween jokes,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna make a Halloween joke. We are

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Speaker 1: in for a treat today because we are joined by

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Speaker 1: the one and only Will Promos And uh, Will really

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Speaker 1: really doesn't need any introduction at all, but I'll give

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Speaker 1: a very brief one anyways. Will is the founder of

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Speaker 1: Primos Game Calls. He's the host of Premost Truth About

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Speaker 1: the Hunting, Truth About Hunting TV show, and he's one

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Speaker 1: of the leading voices in the deer hunting community. And

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Speaker 1: today we're actually I actually recorded this interview with Will

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Speaker 1: um a couple of days ago and in that conversation,

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Speaker 1: we talked about the white tail rut. We talked about

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Speaker 1: calling strategies for deer, We talked about hunting white tails

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Speaker 1: in the South, We talked about using train features, the

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Speaker 1: future of deer hunting, all sorts of interesting things like that.

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Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, Um, since I do know

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Speaker 1: how it all went, I can I can say that

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Speaker 1: I think this one is really good. Uh. Will is

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Speaker 1: just somebody that at least I could listen to talk

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Speaker 1: or tell stories for for just hours. He's a really

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Speaker 1: enjoyable person to to spend some time with. So I

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Speaker 1: think you really enjoy this one. But before we get

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Speaker 1: to our conversation with Will, we need to take our

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Speaker 1: weekly you know, our weekly introbs session pregame show extravaganza.

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Speaker 1: We need to take a few minutes to do that,

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Speaker 1: especially because at this time of the year, what that

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Speaker 1: usually means is that we get to talk about how

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Speaker 1: our hunts have been going. And uh, that's that's the

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Speaker 1: game plan for for tonight, right Dan, that's right. I

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Speaker 1: want to apologize for not being able to make it

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Speaker 1: to the Will premost interview, but I was balls deep

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Speaker 1: in diapers. That sounds like a really a horrible visualization. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, we had that. We had to do

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Speaker 1: a funky timing for this one to record it. And

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Speaker 1: and you are super busy these days with the seventeen

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Speaker 1: kids you have, right, Yeah, it feels like seventeen kids.

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Speaker 1: It also feels like I run a prison some days.

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Speaker 1: What are you doing with these kids? Uh? Well, they're

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Speaker 1: the wardens. They tell me what to do basically, and

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Speaker 1: I'm the inmate. I see, I have a lot to learn,

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Speaker 1: I guess. Oh, man, I asked my I asked my

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Speaker 1: uncle one day. I said, hey, man, what's the what's

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Speaker 1: the trick to raising kids? And he said, oh, you

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Speaker 1: just gotta ignore them? And I you know what, I

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Speaker 1: started thinking about that the more the longer I have kids,

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Speaker 1: the more I realized that that is a serious thing

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Speaker 1: you have to at times you have to just ignore them. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I can see that there's some truth to that, because

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Speaker 1: I mean, shoot, look at someone like look at our generation,

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Speaker 1: the millennials. We got so much attention all the time

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Speaker 1: for everything, and now everyone's so you know, over you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: everybody's what's the word I'm looking for? And so much entitlement.

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Speaker 1: Everything should be about me? That might be because we

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Speaker 1: didn't get ignored enough. So we need to write that

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Speaker 1: wrong for the next gen. Um. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: I can speak about it since I have no experience

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Speaker 1: three months away from being parents. So I tell you what,

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Speaker 1: You're like that person who when when I talk my

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Speaker 1: kids are crazy too. I'm like, I didn't know you

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Speaker 1: they're crazy. Yeah. I think of my dogs as my kids.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just I go, man, shut up, because I wish.

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Speaker 1: I wish I could put my dogs in the base

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Speaker 1: I can't do that. I just want to say that

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Speaker 1: we do know do We do not condone the places

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Speaker 1: by Dan or is it. Well. I wish I could.

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Speaker 1: I can't. You know you can't when when your son

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Speaker 1: but I can't. Oh, man, we better, we better move

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Speaker 1: on to something we're better at because we are not

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Speaker 1: good at parenting advice. Although I don't I don't know

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Speaker 1: iTunes and somebody actually said that they feel that they're

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Speaker 1: a better parent today because of Dan's advice. So that's

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Speaker 1: that's pretty profound. Dude, You've had an impact. Look for

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Speaker 1: the book. Okay, dear dear, have you been deer hunting

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Speaker 1: in all since we talked last week? Yes? Uh, I

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Speaker 1: went out. I got out Sunday morning and Sunday evening,

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Speaker 1: how to go? Did I tell you what? Um? Sunday

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Speaker 1: He was about two to three inches outside of his

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Speaker 1: I want to share this this really cool thing I noticed. Okay,

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Speaker 1: It was it was really cool to see. And then

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Speaker 1: So the short of it, that's uh, that was my weekend, dude.

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Speaker 1: Check some trail cameras. I got some dandies that showed up,

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Speaker 1: them is the buck that I showed you, right, he's

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Speaker 1: that those stand locations in the next two weeks. Cool cool, Well,

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Speaker 1: not a bad day, No, it was a it was

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to uh to you know, Friday and

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Speaker 1: be here before you know it. That's right, Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: rutcation holy Field question mark. Yeah, so that'll be the

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Speaker 1: after we last talked. Okay, so last time we talked,

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Speaker 1: I had went in for holy Field, went into my ground,

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Speaker 1: went into my box blind and it was infested with bees,

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Speaker 1: so I had hunt somewhere else. The next night, went

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Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, this is it. Like the deer

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Speaker 1: like five thirty, like an hour and a half before daylight,

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Speaker 1: while all these deer all around me, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen really any really great daylight activity, no

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Speaker 1: and haven't seen any running activity yet. So I thought,

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Speaker 1: So he's there right now. He's there right now. Dude, dude,

426
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 1: that guy is gonna tease the ship out of you

427
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 1: and he's gonna prevent Oh man, this you know, you

428
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 1: know how I was obsessed with this butt called shipwreck,

429
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: and like you're kind of getting to that point now

430
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: where you want to kill him so bad that you're

431
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: like you almost have blinders on. Yes, I can't really

432
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: like enjoy what's going on in Ohio or think about

433
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: other things. That really has become an obsession, that is,

434
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: because you know, I wouldn't. You know, you're getting ready

435
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,719
Speaker 1: to potentially head out to North Dakota to hunt as well,

436
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: and you you don't even know if you're gonna go

437
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: now or not, because it's like this entire season revolving

438
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: around one deer. Yeah, And that's that's exactly the issues

439
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 1: that I wanted. I've got this North Dakota tag. I

440
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: want to use it, but like we talked about earlier today,

441
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: unless I kill holy Field, I just don't. I can't leave.

442
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: I can't. I need to be local. I need to

443
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: be here to take advantage of something if something comes up.

444
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's uh, it is all consuming. It's kind

445
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: of um, it's quite an adventure. He's been frustrating this year.

446
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: He has not shown himself in daylight yet. So, UM,

447
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 1: ho's gonna change, man, That's gonna change hopefully soon. Yeah.

448
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: So just crossing all my fingers and toes, trying to

449
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: be smart about it. Um, trying to be careful but

450
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: aggressive when I should be. Um, tomorrow, I've got a

451
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: horrible wind for hunting this property, and I sat all

452
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: tonight like trying to think, how can I hunt? How

453
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: can I hunt with this wind? And UM, I ended

454
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: up deciding I'm not going to hunt it at all.

455
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and run and guns some random public

456
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 1: land rather than force the issue on a day that

457
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: tomorrow it's gonna be sixty degrees, it's gonna be warm,

458
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be storming all day. Like, I don't

459
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: need to push it on a bad wind. With those

460
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: kind of conditions, UM, I'm gonna get let the proper

461
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: take a day off and then um then get back

462
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: after him when this another little cold front comes through.

463
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: I've got good winds and and um, hopefully the cards

464
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: will finally be in my favor. So I'm pulling for you.

465
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: But well, I appreciate man, I appreciate everyone. I gotta say,

466
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: it's been kind of cool. Um, so much support from

467
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: our audience, from from all you guys listening and following

468
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: along on social media and and all the different things

469
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: that we're doing. So many people wishing me luck, sending

470
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: words and support, talking about how they're following along. That's

471
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I appreciate that it's keeping me going strong,

472
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: keeping me on point, and hopefully I will be able

473
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: to have good news here soon. But but for anybody

474
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: who's been listening and they don't care about us at all,

475
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: all they've wanted to hear is about Will Primos, I

476
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: apologize that our rambling has gone on on for so long,

477
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: but you now know a little bit about about my

478
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: my hunt for holy Field and Dan's kids. So so

479
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: next week will be an exciting podcast because Dan, you

480
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: will be in the middle of your rutcation and I

481
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: will be hopefully doing some exciting things, so we'll have

482
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Speaker 1: some good stories to share next week. UM. So for now,

483
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: I say, let's let's let's stop our stories, let's pause

484
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: to thank our partners that sit a gear, and then

485
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Speaker 1: let's get Will Primost on the line. For this week's

486
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Speaker 1: sick of story, we're joined by Jim Caesar, who tells

487
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: us why his twenty seventeen archery season has been the

488
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Speaker 1: most unique one yet. This here for the Louisiana two

489
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen archery season. I decided to make a big

490
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: change to my arsenal, and that change being traditional archery

491
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: gear along with or sick of gear. Um, this has

492
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: been rather rather different for me. I was in for

493
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Speaker 1: a lot more streets whenever I made six. Um, I've

494
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: literally every time I've gone to the stand not five

495
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: minutes later there I heard. I heard of wild hawks

496
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: that comes out every time, no matter at the time

497
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 1: of the day. I can go into the stand at

498
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: like twelve o'clock and I kid you not by toils

499
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: oh five there will be takes coming in. And um,

500
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: I've managed to get I've managed to harvards for hawks

501
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: so far using traditional gear, and um, it's just it's

502
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: just an amazing feeling being able to go out in

503
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: the stand and almost knowing on public land that you're

504
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: gonna have opportunity at an animal and it just makes

505
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: it that much better. And um, it's just it's just

506
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: awesome public land. As many knows, it's very it's very

507
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: hard hunting. Uh, it can be very rewarding, and sometimes

508
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: you know it's just you get the wrong end of

509
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: the deal and you just go out and nothing happens.

510
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Speaker 1: But this year, I can only say it makes me

511
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: look forward to what's what's to come. On Jims hunts,

512
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: he's been wearing sick as an equinox system. If you'd

513
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Speaker 1: like to create the sikest story of your own, or

514
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Speaker 1: to learn more about SICK technical hunting apparel, visit Sitka

515
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Speaker 1: gear dot com. Alright with us now on the line

516
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: is Will Primost. Welcome to show. Well, thank you, Mark,

517
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: glad to be with y'all. Absolutely, this is what I've

518
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: been looking forward to since we're able to line it up.

519
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: And I gotta ask you right out right out the gate,

520
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: how is your hunting season going so far? Well, we

521
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: start earlier because we chase so many elk, we usually

522
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: are gone for about a month to six weeks depending uh.

523
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: And this year we started out in early September and

524
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: went back when the guys went back for rifle season

525
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 1: in early October. But so that starts to hunt seasons.

526
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: It was a great elk season. Um. We just we

527
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: love the West. We we love that world and get

528
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: to meet a lot of different people out there and

529
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: get to see new places done white tails and the

530
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: drainages and so forth. So I like the aspect of

531
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: the two. Um. But we had a great, great season.

532
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: And then deer season has gotten kicked off pretty good.

533
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: I hunted last week before last and I did not

534
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: get a shot. I had to deer that they were

535
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: a little bit there were. One of them was two

536
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: hundred and two hundred twenty five yards and wait and

537
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: one of them was fouring in twenty seven yards. Routs

538
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: Honey an old river bed uh that used to be

539
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: the Mississippi River until it switched courses. So it's a

540
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: wide open area that has a slight slow going through

541
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: it with very little trees growing in it. There's a

542
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: lot of just just water vegetations and so forth where

543
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: the river used to be. But anyway we had we

544
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: could see a long way from where we were sitting

545
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: in a willow tree back from it a little bit.

546
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: One of the deer was foarder in twenty seven yards

547
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: and they were both fully mature. I couldn't decide if

548
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: they were fouring a half or five and a half. Um.

549
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: Both of them were fine, fine bucks. But of course

550
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: that was way too far from my boat. And Kara

551
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: man said, why didn't you shoot it one of those deer?

552
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: I said, Man, I didn't want to show off. So

553
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: so are you hunting locally over the coming weeks? For

554
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: are you traveling anywhere else to do some mark? All

555
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: these years, I've traveled the Midwest and gone everywhere from

556
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: Montana out of home, you know, hunting, hunting white tails.

557
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: I'll with Kansas, Nebraska, Texas. And I'm sixty five years old,

558
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: and I'm real healthy and strong or exercise and good.

559
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: But I've just gotten to where I don't like to travel.

560
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: And I love the deep South white tail hunt, and

561
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: I love what we call these just big old swamp

562
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: doggies that are so hard to figure out. You don't

563
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: have the noticeable funnels and things like that that you

564
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: do in the Midwest. So I we're sticking close and

565
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: we lease eleven thousand acres on the Mississippi River, and

566
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: it is in the corner of where Louisiana meets Arkansas,

567
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: so North Louisiana and South Arkansas. And then the Mississippi

568
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: River changed courses, so there's an island called Sarah Island.

569
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: It's not an actual island unless the water's way up.

570
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: And so we have laying in all three states. We

571
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: have all three licenses, and that's where we produced the

572
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: premost show. Primarily there's every once while we'll go somewhere

573
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: else in this area, but that is primarily where we

574
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: do all of our white tail honey. So that's where

575
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: we were hunting. And then last week they went back.

576
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: I did not go last week. And Troy Roue is

577
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: who's part of the team on our show. He killed

578
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: two nice bucks, one with his bow and one with

579
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: a with a crossbow with Matthew said a new cross

580
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: with three in treble and he he used it um

581
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: in Mississippi, so he got two nice books. Brad Ferris

582
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: kills the doe. Uh. He's part of our team and

583
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: haven't been a part of our team for a long

584
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: long time. So they're headed back over there today and

585
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: they'll be here this week. And I'm taking a couple

586
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: of days off for one to be with you and

587
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: your your guest on your show. Well, we certainly appreciate that.

588
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: And uh, I want to talk about this topic of

589
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: hunting in the Deep South, and you know how different

590
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: it is than the Midwest, like you mentioned. But I

591
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: guess before that I would be I would be remiss

592
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: if I didn't at least gets you to tell us

593
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of your history, will because I'm sure

594
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: most people today are familiar with who you are and

595
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: what you've done with primost and everything, but maybe they

596
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: don't know how that all happened. Could you give us,

597
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: like the cliff Notes version of how this all came

598
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: to be? Sure? Well a slatter you say it knows

599
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: everybody knows who I am or whatever. I don't know

600
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: if that's the truth. But we have been doing this

601
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: for forty one years. I started in nineteen seventy six.

602
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: I was born here in the Jackson, Mississippi area, UH,

603
00:31:54,160 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: to very extended large family. Grandfather's grandparents, both sides, uncles,

604
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: and they all hunted and uh hunt in the Mississippi

605
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: Delta for in flooded timber for ducks. And we grew

606
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: up one of a small farm and my family was

607
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: in the restaurant business and Jackson and this little small farm.

608
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: We had a little lake and I had all the

609
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: small game you could chase a stick with, you know.

610
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: So that's how I grew up. And I loved it,

611
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: and I loved fishing. I had a little red rider

612
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: wagon that I'd fill up with brim and bring him

613
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: to the house and and go to scale up. I

614
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: love fright hole. So anyway, that was kind of my life.

615
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: And uh I just I just loved it. So I

616
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: started making turkey calls early on, and people liked them

617
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: a lot. They were different. And one thing that did another.

618
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: I got out of college, you went to work with

619
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: the family, have a business degree, and I started this

620
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: little company on the side I called the premost Yelpers

621
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: a yelper y e l p r. A yelper is

622
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: a turkey mouth call. And uh so I started doing

623
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: that and going to shows and I'd just sell out

624
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: that go home and make more. And one thing led

625
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: to another and for all and I said, did come

626
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: and I got I think I had by that time,

627
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: I had twelve or fifteen products and thanks for going great.

628
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: And it was a timing deal. I couldn't do anything.

629
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: I don't think you could do it today. Packaging so

630
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: much more sophisticated in the digital world of doing businesses

631
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: so much more sophisticated. You really, I've tapped some startup

632
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: funds to get it going, but at any rate, UM

633
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: things grew and grew, and in nineteen in two thousand

634
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: and six, UM Jimmy Primos and my cousin had come

635
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: in to help me run the place. He was the

636
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: chief operating officer. We had seven vice presidents that ran

637
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: different departments within the company. At that time we had

638
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: about a hundred and sixty employees I think it was.

639
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: But we sold to a private equity firm out of

640
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: Chicago and UM then we I stayed owned as as

641
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: on the head of it and Jimmy was the chief

642
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: operating officer and all the executives stay and we grew it,

643
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: doubled it and sold it to Bush nil Um in

644
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: two thousand and twelves and then in two thousand and

645
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: thirteen a t K which was Applied Tech Systems UM,

646
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: which is a publicly traded company that owned Federal Premium

647
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: and c c I as well as a lot of

648
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: other outdoor brands as well as they were in the

649
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: business of putting rockets into orbit. Uh. They bought Bushnell,

650
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: so we became a part of that family. And then

651
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: a p K split and they made a publicly traded

652
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: separate UM UH outdoor sporting products division and the rocket

653
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: business putting rockets into orbit and government contract side of

654
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: things went to a company called Orbital so v I

655
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: s t A. This that was born. We are part

656
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 1: of the just the brand of products now UH. Premos

657
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: Actually the guy who came to Primos from South Carolina,

658
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: Mike Powell, actually runs Primos on a day to day basis.

659
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: Now I'm still there, um anytime. I want to be

660
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: in New days every day. But um so it's Jimmy,

661
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: but he actually runs Primos. Mike Powell does, and he

662
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: also We also own and run gold Tip arrows, be

663
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: stinger stabilizers, Final Approach decoys, and waterfoil products, UH, double bulllines,

664
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: UH promos and bushneail cameras are all under Mike's watch

665
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 1: and our watch. So we're developing those products and putting

666
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: new products out the other full new product development team

667
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: and so forth. So that brings us kind of to

668
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: today and where we are now. My main role is

669
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: the public relations role, being in advertisers, being on UH

670
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: camera hunting representing the company UH Premos Truth about Hunting

671
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: on on the Outdoor channel started and it rates every

672
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: month between one in five and the last three months,

673
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: it's been number one on the Outdoor channel as far

674
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: as outdoor proven programming goes. So we're proud of that,

675
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: but we're kind of amazed by it, um because we've

676
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: been there so long and it's easy to get stale.

677
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: We got stale at one time and didn't do as

678
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: well and that's kind of come around. But we love

679
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: whitetail honey. Um. We do it and we live and

680
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: breathe it year around. UM. So maybe that's a little

681
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: more than you wanted to. That kind of gets you

682
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: up to speed to where we are. No, it's it's

683
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: it's an incredible story and I just can't I can't imagine, Well,

684
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: could could you have imagined when you were first making

685
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: those premost yelpers that that you know so many years

686
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: later you would be standing here today, you know, working

687
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: with all of these brands and um, you know in

688
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: such a different place. It's it's an incredible journey. I

689
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: have to imagine. Yeah, it is an incredible journey. And

690
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: you bring a huge smile to my face. And you're

691
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: asking that question because I can remember those early days

692
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: and I can remember the struggles and the sacrifices. Um,

693
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: it's quite amazing, uh to be where we are. But

694
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: can I did I imagine it? Imagine having a strong

695
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: vibral uh game car company? That for sure. And somebody

696
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: said to me one time, don't ever underestimate passion. And

697
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: somebody asked, uh, it was It was talking about Charles

698
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: Crault and how many of right listen to know who

699
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: Charles Carrault was. But he was on the road as

700
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: CBS for years. And they asked the cameraman, who's still living?

701
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: They worked with Charles Carrault when he was on the road.

702
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: They said, did why did people try to call Charles

703
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: Carroult out of doing this? To them? You had the idea, Um,

704
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: why why did why did they try to talk you

705
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: about that? Because that's a known thing that people that

706
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: CBS didn't believe that this on the road show would work.

707
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: And the guy said, well, I guess he knew something

708
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: they didn't know, So you know, you know what you know.

709
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: But for those of us who are passionate about a

710
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: product or about a product lad or an ideal, um,

711
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's something to be reckoned with. UH.

712
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: And there's many great business principles. Have a major in business,

713
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: and I love business, and I guess all that kind

714
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: of came together to to help us channel that passion

715
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: into something that we truly loved. UH. And to be

716
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: aboul to have the energy uh to do it, to

717
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: run a business and hunt that it takes a lot,

718
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: Like we're serious about it, So it takes a lot. Yeah. Absolutely.

719
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: And I think this this idea of of having that

720
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: passionate and how you can use that passion to be

721
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: successful in business, that that perfectly translates to the woods

722
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: as well, because I think if you look at some

723
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: of those core you know, common threads that run between

724
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, those people who maybe are the most consistently

725
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: successful hunters, they all have that shared passion UM no

726
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 1: doubt they do think. And I will say this about

727
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: those consistent hunters that consistently killing mature big white tales

728
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, year in year out, done it

729
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: for years. There's many of them out there, and I

730
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: love those guys. But there's there's one thing that they

731
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: do that the average guy doesn't do, and that is

732
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: that they respect the white tail. Most everyday weekend hunters

733
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: that want to be successful do not respect the white

734
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 1: tail enough. His nose and his ears are absolutely incredible.

735
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: And you can't you can't just be blasting up in

736
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: the woods and expect one of these big guys to

737
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: give himself up. They just say, gonna happen. Very true.

738
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: So so when you say respect the white tail, it

739
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: sounds like we're talking about just really respecting and understanding

740
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: and accounting for just how wary and and and what

741
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: survival experts mature bucks are right. Is there is there

742
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: anything more? Well, you know that you can get down

743
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: to that. You can break it down into all aspects

744
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: of entering the woods, being in the woods, leaving the woods.

745
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: All that adds to not letting them know you're there,

746
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 1: because you can't let them know you're there. Um and

747
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: and it kind of goes like this, you cannot hunt

748
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: a white tail where he is now that one exception

749
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: is that is that if he's bedded and you've got

750
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: the window and him and you're able to see him

751
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: or see his horns in the field or see RP

752
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: field or whatever it's stalking and get within bow range

753
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: and he shoot. And I'm talking about bow hunt here.

754
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: But you can't typically hunt a white tail where he is.

755
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: You've got a hunting where he's gonna be, and you've

756
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: got to get to where he's gonna be without him

757
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: ever knowing you're there or detecting you while he comes.

758
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: So that hope that answers which you're trying to get

759
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: at it in respecting the white terricles, they truly are.

760
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: And I think it was um ah, gosh, my mind

761
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: just went black. One of the guys, Uh, they had

762
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: early October white Tails video that back in the um

763
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: back in eight yeahs. I believe one of them said.

764
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: I think it was very um that he said, when

765
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: all said and done, there's no living, very few living

766
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: creatures on earth, the third to the last will be

767
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: a white tail, the second to the last will be

768
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: a kind of and the last will be a roach.

769
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: And just it just tells you how incredible those three

770
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: animals are um because they are survivalist. And to understand

771
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: the white tail and what he needs and to make

772
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: him happy by me and happy what relaxes him, and

773
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: that's cover and that's being able to enter that cover

774
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: and get and leave that cover undetected. Uh. Understanding his

775
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: food sources, Understanding how he goes about his daily activities.

776
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: It's all. It's all an incredible puzzle. Yes, And I

777
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: think that's what draws us back to a year after

778
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: year after year. Um. Now, now, speaking of all of

779
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: these things that make a white tail such a survival expert,

780
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: how does a Southern white tail differ than maybe the

781
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: ones that you see on TV most of the time

782
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: up in the Midwest, um or or like where I'm

783
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: in Ohio right now, or wherever that may be. Yeah,

784
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: were years ago Miles Keller came down here to hunt

785
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: with a friend of mine, and he looked at this forest.

786
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: He was hunting in the hills south of Vicksburg, Mississippi,

787
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: which is not far from Mississippi. But they're called Lowest

788
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: Hills l O E s s ATLA. But that's when

789
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: blown dirt win long dust that made the hills south

790
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: of Vicksburg and he got there and he looked at

791
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: this and he goes, oh, my gosh, how do you

792
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: ever kill a white tail? Because it's tens of thousands

793
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: of acres of woods, there's no funnels, there's no big plateau, grasslands,

794
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: plateau tops and in a bench that leads down a

795
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: drainage that allowed this show that that's the funnels. Have

796
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: a hunted those that country, that that Midwest country, And

797
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: oh how much fun it is to find one of

798
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: those funnels. Oh my gosh. You know, you just have

799
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: to be the biggest problem with those is is you're

800
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: gonna see us. You can see bucks, you can see that,

801
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna see some deer, and you've got to

802
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: let the little ones go if you want to kill

803
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: a big one, because when those three and a half

804
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: year a hundred each deer come by, you're going, oh,

805
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: that's the biggest jeer I've ever had a chance to

806
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: shoot that. I ain't fasten that up. But if you

807
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: if you will know and behold, you know, booners might

808
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: come by, you know. So so the so honey in

809
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: the South. You Brad Ferris, who's ran the Primos TV

810
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: and video department for years and still is part of

811
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: the show. Um he he is incredible at being to

812
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 1: look at that kind of country and figure it out.

813
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: We call them buck lines. The buck lines vegetate in

814
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: different stuff can be a funnel to a white tail

815
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: in this part of the country. And you're hunting food

816
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: sources a lot this time of year. You've got for simmons,

817
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: You've got honey locusts. Um. These are some of the foods.

818
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: And then we have native pecans. Native pecan is about

819
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: two or three times as big as the small name

820
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: along your little finger. They're real little, they're full of oil,

821
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: and they are the redwood to me. They are the

822
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: redwood of the Mississippi River, as the redwood is to California.

823
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: They are huge, and when they get to be eight

824
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: years old, there's bigger runners to pick up truck, and

825
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: so tall and straight. It's just incredible and they're unbelievable

826
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: producers of math. The number of the cons in those

827
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: trees is crazy. So we had a big wind storm

828
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: come by last week and it just on the river.

829
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: There's just but the dominant tree is the native pecan,

830
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: and so there's just mass on the ground everywhere and

831
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: it really changes the hattern because they don't have to

832
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: go very far to get food. Um the water sources,

833
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: you've got the river they can feed in, You've got slews.

834
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: So it's really hard to hunt water sources. So you've

835
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: got to find out where the thick areas are and

836
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: you make some of those. You know in time and

837
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: why you're why you're dealing with your property. But they're

838
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: gonna be in those stick areas, and we like to

839
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: go in and provide a way to hunt them. Like

840
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: we'll go in there and we'll make a thick area,

841
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: like say a three to five acre, I mean a

842
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: cut over, and we keep it that way. We're going

843
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: there and hacking squirt and poison to keep it. We

844
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: don't want it growing back up in big trees. And

845
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: we but for the dominant wind that we have, which

846
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: is going to be a southerly or northerly in nature,

847
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: but southerly when the southern flows are coming out of

848
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: the Gulf and northerly northwest where the winds are coming

849
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: in from the north as came through like just happened.

850
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna go in there. We're gonna make a small

851
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: food plot usually in an hour, last eight and we're

852
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: going to grind the stumps and we're gonna make that

853
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: food plot, and it's gonna have a lot of cover

854
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: next to it except for where we enter on the

855
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: down wind side, and you gotta enter from the down

856
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: on one side. You can't come in from the other

857
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: direction or they're gonna smell you. They may get up

858
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: and leave, or they may just lay there. They just

859
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: they know you're there. A white tail can tell by

860
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: smelling you how close you are, whether you're twenty yards

861
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 1: away or whether you're fifty yards away or a quarter

862
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: mile away. They they it's intensity and they they're that

863
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: they're that good at it um. So we build that

864
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: to enable us to hunt a food source for early season.

865
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: And then you typically know what we call regions, believe

866
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: it or not. We've got ridges on the Mississippi River,

867
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: some of them maybe six inches elevation in height. And

868
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: I remember the first time a guy from up up

869
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: there came up in your part of the country, came

870
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: home with me at my farm, and I would saying,

871
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: we just walk into you to you get to see

872
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: the ridge. I wasn't thinking, you know, I said, what

873
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: do you see the ridge? Then walk down the ridge

874
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: and you'll see the stand right there on the edge

875
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: of the ridge. And so I came back, he said,

876
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: I finally found the stand in an hour after it

877
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: got daylight. I said, dude, what and because there was

878
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: no ridge. So I walked him in there and showed

879
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: thee says, this is a ridge. It's really it's a

880
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: six inch elevation, and the deer will walk that. It

881
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: may be ten yards ride or twenty yards ride. Is

882
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: how the river, the Misissippi River and the missipilivial floodplains

883
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: before the levees were built on the Minissippi River and

884
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: all that came in and move the water and built

885
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: up sediment and caused these depressions flews or oxbow lakes

886
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: off of other rivers or ridges, and you learn, you

887
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: learn the finite details. And a Southern hunter can more

888
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: quickly find the nuances of the stuff in the Midwest,

889
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: I think, because when we go we're looking at it

890
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: with a different attitude. We're not looking for what the

891
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: big blinking neon light. We're looking for those teeny tiny

892
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 1: subtle sounds, subtle sites and terrain features that uh, we'll

893
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: guide a light tell to what we call it trade.

894
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: We we would develop in I will we least land

895
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: for quite a few years and we had I don't

896
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,479
Speaker 1: know we had three or four. We called them killing

897
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: trees and we can never moved to sand they were

898
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: killing trees. I'm sure you've got some of those in

899
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: your part of world. Can you elaborate a little bit

900
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: on for the for the southern deer hunter, those those

901
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: nu ones, little features or whatever it might be, whether

902
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: it's terrain or cover or or something else. Can you

903
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: elaborate some of those things that you found do funnel

904
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: deer or or help you better choose where understand where

905
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: these deer might be moving. In general, deer are lazy um.

906
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: When they're moving, they relax and moving and so to

907
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: get down on their chest and go under something like

908
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: bob war fence. If they're entering a field or something

909
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: that I mean, they'll do that. But if they're just

910
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: walking through the woods, they're not typically going to do that.

911
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: So you're looking for treetops and you're looking for the

912
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: wind may have come down and blown down several trees,

913
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: and you start paying attention to how that forms, so

914
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: to speak, a fence. Um jack fences in the Midwest

915
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: for us were a big guide them for deer. UH

916
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: jack fence is UH fence has put up typically because

917
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: the ground has got too much rocks in and you

918
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: can't put a post in the ground. You don't want

919
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: to use t posts as you can be difficult. So

920
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: they're they're leaning fences made out of saplings as big

921
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: as your calf, say, or maybe a touch bigger, and

922
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: they're they're forming a uh tepe look. And then you

923
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 1: have cross members that keep cattle or livestock or whatever

924
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: in a certain area, horses uh and so these are

925
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: great guiders guiding guidance to the white tails. And we

926
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: would look at those got determine how the deer were traveling.

927
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: Then of course you find their trails that they're using

928
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: them a lot. But in the South, you're looking for

929
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: tree tops, you're looking for kane thicket, you're looking for

930
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: buck vines um, You're you're looking for stuff that's so

931
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: thick that a deer can stay hidden until he gets

932
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: to an open area. So you start walking the edge

933
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: of that thick stuff. It could be Johnson grass, it

934
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: could be gold and rod um. I mean that's some

935
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: of the stuff would be six eight feet tall if

936
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 1: you cannot see the deer in there, and you can't

937
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: see him until he gets to the open spots. So

938
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: you you go to the open spot and you you

939
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: you walk it looking for any trails where they may

940
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: be repetitively using a trail to get to the masteres

941
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 1: or or to an agricultural area or to a water

942
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: a watering area. You just kind of really pay attention

943
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 1: and not look for the obvious, look for the things

944
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 1: that aren't obvious. You mentioned buck vines, can what's water

945
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: buck vines? Maybe I'm just ignorant because I haven't been

946
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 1: down in that part of the country. Yeah. Yeah. Buck

947
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 1: vines may be as big as your wrists. And they

948
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: will grow on these big huge pecans and and on

949
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: sycamores and cottonwoods down in the south along the river

950
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: and other places, and you get so many of them.

951
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: They're like a tangle um and they and then they

952
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: come loose from the tree and you can imagine Tarzan

953
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: swinging from trigger tree on them. It's kind of what

954
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: they look like. But they can form a a wall

955
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: of sorts in the woods, and it might not be

956
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: more than a fifty yard wall or a twenty yard wall,

957
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: but they will hit that and go down it and

958
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: then go to the net. And so you're looking for

959
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: things like that that help you determine the movement of

960
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: a white tail. And then hunting a place in the

961
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 1: rut is another deal. They're typically rut um and they'll

962
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: show up in an area that typically you wouldn't see him,

963
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, dagn he showed up last

964
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: November this time, and here he is again, where is

965
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: he being? We don't have him on camera. We had

966
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: nobody seen him though. I think they're just not turnal

967
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: as I'll get out um and living in thick areas,

968
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: and they move at night until it gets closer to

969
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: the rug speaking of speaking of of trail cameras and

970
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: and you know sometimes figure out these bucks might be

971
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: nocturnal and trying to figure them out, um, you know

972
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, when you know, typically we're trying to

973
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: pattern a buck or something, right, it's these kind of

974
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: stereotypical usual ways of guys do it. They get they

975
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,959
Speaker 1: got a trail camera on a scrape, on a field

976
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: edge or on a food plot, and they just figure

977
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: outously coming from this block of timber or that block

978
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: of timber or whatever it might be. UM, it seems

979
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: like it must be a lot more difficult to try

980
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: to pattern a mature buck in your neck of the woods,

981
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: given the diversity and terrain and cover the extent of cover. Um,

982
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: are you are you using kind of similar tactics with

983
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: trail cameras and and basically you know, patterning him off

984
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 1: of that those types of things or is there something

985
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: different you guys are doing. Yes, you can now. Uh.

986
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: Summer salt licks have been a real plus for us. UM.

987
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 1: They use them so regularly, and then you start getting

988
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: the pictures these velvet books. UM. One deer in particular,

989
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about. UM. We named him Eric, after a

990
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: friend of mine who was actually publisher of alcohol Life

991
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: Feel the Stream at the time. He was the first

992
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: person to ever see Eric on the hoof. We had

993
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 1: pictures of him, but we've never seen on the hoof.

994
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: And he was a three and a half row. But

995
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: he was a hundred sixty three and a half year old.

996
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: And this this is really really really that's an estimate.

997
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't no idea that p he was. He might

998
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: have been one. He was only fixt the class dear,

999
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 1: and he was he was just a great eight point um.

1000
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: So he was on my farm. I sold my farm,

1001
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: and my farm was very large, and he moved a

1002
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: mile away and we didn't know it. We were hunting

1003
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: another spot and he came out of a planted c

1004
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: RP field which was very, very thick. We had taken

1005
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: a cotton field and put it back into c RP

1006
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: and he walked out about a hundred yards way down

1007
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: the lane. We were looking down. We were bow hunting,

1008
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: and he walked out and we had a dough that

1009
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: had already come out from where he was, and he

1010
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: was fixing the walk right in front office. And when

1011
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: he stepped out, we went, oh, my gosh, I'm gonna

1012
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: have to make a decision to kill him or not

1013
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: because he's three and a half. And he turned him

1014
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: with the other way, and so then we got to thinking,

1015
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: my gosh, he's a min from where he was. He's no,

1016
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: he's We wondered what happened to him, So we started

1017
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: putting up trail cameras and we got pictures of him.

1018
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: We decided to pass on him. The next summer we start.

1019
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: We put on a salt lick that was was outside

1020
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: the ce R P field, but not more than by

1021
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,479
Speaker 1: fift yards in the big Woods. We put a trail

1022
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: camera on that salt lid and started getting pictures of

1023
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: him there regularly. And I'm estimating he's a hundred and

1024
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: seventy eight five inch deer this year in velvet. I

1025
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: mean he's he's a nine point he's gotta split brow

1026
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: and um, he's just massive. A matter of fact, you

1027
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: can you can see that hunt. It's on YouTube somewhere.

1028
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: You go to I think you go to, um Mrs

1029
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: will Primos p R I m os Will Primos Mississippi

1030
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: pig Buck. Why we titled it that, I don't know

1031
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: why I get more views, but anymore, you can actually

1032
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: see the actual because it's on video. So we figured

1033
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: he was living in the c RP field and we

1034
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: had to have uh a wind that had some north

1035
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: and uh some east to flight bit of east in

1036
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: it to be able to hunt him there. Firm memory correct,

1037
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: that's a meant a while. Um. At any rate, we

1038
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: got on the edge of that field and we got

1039
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: about a hundred yards from the salt lick, and he

1040
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: was coming through there, moving from the one going to

1041
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: the salt lick. Anymore but we had pictures of him

1042
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: on the edge of that CRP field, coming out of it,

1043
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: moving through right at dusk, and he showed up and

1044
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: he was out in front of us, and he I

1045
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: couldn't I couldn't believe it. And then he turned around

1046
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: like he's like he's like he smells something or he

1047
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: thought of something, and he turned around. I'm sorry. The

1048
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: wind was northwest and the northwest, remember now, and he

1049
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: turned around and headed in a southwest direction, like you know.

1050
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: And I was just like deflated, and there's an opportunity.

1051
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: We hadn't talked about it yet. But Colin, So the

1052
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: cameraman was Johnny st. Clair's the guy who ran the

1053
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: farm from a great guy. He's running the camera. I'm honey,

1054
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: and he could still see his horns and he's higher

1055
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: than me because he's gonna staying higher than me. And

1056
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: I couldn't see and he could still see the tops

1057
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: of his horns and he's his college and Colton and

1058
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: so I got out of my can and man, man

1059
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: beleeve it and he said he stopped. Run at him,

1060
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: run in, you know. So I grunted at him and

1061
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: he said, he's not moving. So I weezed at him,

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00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: and it wasn't very long at all. I thought he

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00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: was gone. He won't coming. All of a sudden he's

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00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: in front office and I was able to kill him.

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00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: And if he wasn't for the cameras, and we we

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00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: actually had like eight cameras surrounding where we thought he

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00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: was living. But we wouldn't go into that that crp field.

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00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: Of course. Um, but you it's that's a good example

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00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: of you cannot go into what people call their core area.

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00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: You gotta let it be there and let him be happy.

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00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: Don't go to that area if the winds at your back,

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00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: never let him know you're even looking for it, and

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00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: put out those cameras and then use that surveillance to

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00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: kind of tell you where to place your stand. Of course,

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00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: everything what makes what makes it so cool is every

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00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: one of these things is different. Every white till is different,

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00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: every hunt is different, every scenario is different, Every terrain, landscape,

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00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: the habitat, the thickness of it, the openness of it,

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00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 1: all of that's different. And so you have to take

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00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: all that information and start trying to put your puzzle together.

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00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: But the big thing is is to respect them. Do

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00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: not let him know you exist, you do that and

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00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: you're changing the game. All right, Let's take a quick

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Speaker 1: break here for a word from our partners at white

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Speaker 1: Tail Properties. This week with the white Tail Properties, we

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Speaker 1: are joined by Jason Ziegler, a land specialist in the Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: and Jason is going to be talking to us about

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00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: how to hunt an active farm during the un Well.

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Speaker 1: One of the biggest things is is timing. You know,

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00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of times the farmers are

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00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,959
Speaker 1: in the fields harvesting the corn at either the peak

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00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: of the pre rut er right at the beginning of

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00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: the rut, and that can really trigger deer movement inside

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00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: of the timber. You gotta figure a lot of the

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00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: deer that are living on these farms are going to

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00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: add fields, specifically standing corn that's great cover form, and

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00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: the farm results are taking them off. You want to

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00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: be in the woods to catch some of that rutting activity.

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00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: You're driving all over the deer now into the specific

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00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: area versus a vast flat land of corn. So that's

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00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: one of the things that I trigger on is get

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00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: inside the timber, hunt the ridges, hunt the points and

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00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: the fingers. The majority that they are going to be

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00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: in that timber and coinciding with the rut, perfect timing

1105
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: to maybe catch that bruiser buck that you've been looking

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00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: for on a doll moving back and forth between what

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00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: the farmers are doing and what you're doing. So that's

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00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: one of the biggest things, is the key in on

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00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: the timber and get out there while they're harvesting the corn.

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Speaker 1: I know, the key factor is to look at your

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Speaker 1: food plots. Your food plots are gonna light up like

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Speaker 1: a Christmas tree once the farmer gets the egg ground

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01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,439
Speaker 1: off or their crops off the fields. Those foods, those

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01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: they are gonna really key on those food plots. If

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Speaker 1: you'd like to learn more and to see the properties

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01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: that Jason currently has listed for sale, visit white Tail

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Speaker 1: properties dot com. Backslash Ziegler It's z I E G

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Speaker 1: L E R. Now yeah. Now, now there's one exception

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Speaker 1: to that rule, though, I think, which is when you

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Speaker 1: are doing what you just mentioned there, which is calling

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01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: to them. So you do want them to know you're there,

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01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: but you just want him to think of something different. Right,

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Speaker 1: You're trying, you're trying to kill him, and you've got

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Speaker 1: him there, no doubt. Example, I'm talking that, don't let

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Speaker 1: him know you're there while you're scouting. Yeah, yeah, and

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01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: you put that in there. That's for a minute, while

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01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: you're trying to get your stand in place and while

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Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out how to hunt him. Don't

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01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: let him know you're looking for him. Don't know you don't.

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Speaker 1: Just don't let him hear you or sail you. Now,

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01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: now let's fast forward though to that hunting situation. Though,

1132
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, you were able to call this buck

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Speaker 1: in UM. Let's talk about calling a little bit. Obviously

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Speaker 1: you are you are one of the foremost experts on

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Speaker 1: this topic. Given the fact that you kind of invented

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01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: the category in a lot of ways, could you kind

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01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: of walk us through, Could you walk us through the

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01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: different calls that you like to use, um, and then

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01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: what the proper like scenario would be to use those,

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01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: and other considerations that might be on your mind when

1141
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: going through that kind of thing. Yeah, sure, it was

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01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: no one when I didn't invent it all. There's so

1143
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: many great hunters who have believed in calls and have

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01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: added to it. Uh. Down South, we used to hunt

1145
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: only with dogs, and you let dogs us and run

1146
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: them across the swamp. It didn't have a lot of beer.

1147
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: But then as we got more deer and people wanted

1148
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: to steal hunt and I wanted to see dear being deer.

1149
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: That's what Colin really became an advantage um. Number one.

1150
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,919
Speaker 1: The problem for most hunters is even people that hunt

1151
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: a lot, they haven't heard all these sounds I did

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01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: out of my research and in my designs, and sounds

1153
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: that I was trying to make. By you, by me

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01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: and around ten deer or a brown pet deer. Uh,

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01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: listen to him, Listen to their wheezes and listen to

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Speaker 1: what they did. Had a friend at a South Mississippi

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01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: that had a beautiful book um in about a twenty

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01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: acre enclosure that they raised his phone um and they

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01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: didn't want to let it get away, so they put

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Speaker 1: it in that little enclosure. And that deer during the rut,

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01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: he would see you as competition. You walk up with

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01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: that fence and he shade. He turned it on, and

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01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: his lift would go back and his hair would go

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01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: and eat, and he slammed that fence trying to get

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Speaker 1: to it even though he was he loves you. When

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Speaker 1: it wasn't the rut, you know, let your pet him

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01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. But the the can

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Speaker 1: is usually the first sound that I'm producing. Every deer

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Speaker 1: knows what that means. And during the rut, I got

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Speaker 1: a can here in my hand. But that sound is

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01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: the sound of the dough that is in stress and estress.

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01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: She's calling for the attention of a buck, or she's

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01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: almost like she's crying that she's she's saying, she's like

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01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: they're in a tremendous stress at that time when they're

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01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: when they're ready for a buck to breathe them. And

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01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: if they're not with a buck, they want to they

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01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: want a book to know that, and that speculation on

1178
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Speaker 1: my buck. And I don't think they think like humans,

1179
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: but they're they're going through what God is built into them,

1180
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: the instinctive things that they'll be able to do to

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Speaker 1: to be able to procreate and to get the species

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01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: a new generation of the species going. So the doble

1183
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: will do that. And then if there's a buck nearby, uh,

1184
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: and he sees another buck anywhere clear close by, he's

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01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: gonna grunt at him. He's gonna let him know stay away.

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01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: And that grunt can be you're simple just to stay away.

1187
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: And if that other buck makes an approach to that

1188
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: bucking though, then he is going to roar at him.

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01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: And a roar is a sound that one buck makes

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01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: another buck that he is fixing to fight. He's he's

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01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: he's telling him stay away. And that is a very

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01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: very aggressive, loud, extended grunt. This is it's a roar.

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01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: And if that buck continues to make advances, the last

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01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: thing he's gonna do before he lowers his head and

1195
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: slams into his Now, I did that on our buck roller,

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01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: which is my favorite call that we make. The rout

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Speaker 1: roarer is good as well, but uh, the buck roarer

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Speaker 1: is my favorite. Now, the weeze is the last, the

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Speaker 1: last deal, and that what what you need to know

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Speaker 1: about those sounds is is that the bleak is the lowest,

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01:04:56,080 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: carries the least. It's a low say on it. It's

1202
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: only so loud. It only carries so far. And then

1203
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: the roarer carries the furthest and the weize, I mean

1204
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: the carries further than the bleat, and the weeze carries

1205
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: the furtherest because it's a high pitched sound and it

1206
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: travels through the wave lengths will travel further. So if

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01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: you see a buck. And let's say he's a hundred

1208
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: fift yards away. You got a little wind going on,

1209
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: and you can tell he's dog and he's he's trying

1210
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: to pick up the scent of of of a of

1211
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: a dope. He put his head down picking it up.

1212
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: But his head down picking it up, he's just he's

1213
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: kind of sniffing the ground, picking his nose up, sniff

1214
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: and he's trying to get the scent of a dope.

1215
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: And you you bled at him, and you go if

1216
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't, if he hears you, he's gonna stop him

1217
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: look and you'll know it next down. That's how you

1218
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: want to do is and he's liabel start marching you away.

1219
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: If he doesn't, then and he turned, he doesn't turn

1220
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: to he heard you, but he starts walking away. Weeze

1221
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: at him. That's the challenge, and that what you're saying

1222
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: by making all those sounds to that bucket. Hey, there's

1223
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: a hot door over here, and there's a buck over here,

1224
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: and he's telling you can stay away. Where he's telling

1225
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: another book to stay away. That might be even closer,

1226
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: and that buck will come in and see if you

1227
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: can get in on the action. But let's just say

1228
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: you're in a standing you haven't seen anything. You're hunting

1229
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 1: your cut over, you've the dear even coming out of

1230
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,959
Speaker 1: that cut over. It's thirty minutes before dark. You haven't

1231
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: seen anything yet. Turned the can over twice. Wait a minute,

1232
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:37,959
Speaker 1: run yeah, yeah, wait a minute, wait, thirty seconds yay, roar,

1233
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: and then thirty seconds later, ten seconds later, and he's

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01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: gonna stand up. A good chance he's gonna stand up.

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Speaker 1: I would say for me, it probably works. I pick

1236
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do it, but I'm gonna say it

1237
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: probably works for me fifteen percent of the time. That's

1238
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: pretty high percentage rates. When you need seeing nothing and

1239
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: he comes in looking now, you want to have the

1240
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: wind in your favor. A lot of times, when he

1241
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:15,919
Speaker 1: gets fifty yards, he'll start circling down wind. Hopefully he's

1242
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: gonna come within bow range of you and you're gonna

1243
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: be able to make that shock. But that's just a

1244
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: couple of calling scenarios, and it's very typical of what

1245
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: I did when I killed Eric Um. By the way,

1246
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: Eric scored two didn't that's gross. That's gross scored by

1247
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: official score, and he's mass it's just, oh gosh, the

1248
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: pictures of him and just always he took an incredible picture.

1249
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: Um just because he's just it's got such massum. He

1250
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: just always so always pretty. Have to look him up.

1251
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: He's pretty, but he's a pretty buck. I will, I

1252
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: will for sure. Now, what about region regionality? Does the

1253
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: aggressive types of calls that we're talking about here doing

1254
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: a lot of these snort wheezes or buck rows, is

1255
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: that going to be is effective in Louisiana or Arkansas

1256
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: as it is in Iowa or Kansas? Or do we

1257
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: need to kind of temper things based on your location

1258
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 1: or hunting pressure or other things like that. I don't.

1259
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: You know, if everybody in the woods is doing it,

1260
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna have hunting pressure, and you know it's gonna

1261
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: be that that's not not good. But it's usually not

1262
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: the case with the white tail. But I would not

1263
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: regionalize it as much as I would say the better

1264
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 1: areas that have mature books and or a managed her

1265
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: so there's more books, there's not too many doughs. In

1266
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,560
Speaker 1: other words, that you've got to manage. He's got a

1267
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: three to one ratio is great at three dogs to one.

1268
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: Two to ones can be even better. But any time,

1269
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: you've got age classes of your your seven and a

1270
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: half to six and a half year old, five and

1271
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: a half, four and a half year old, you've got

1272
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: your three and a half year olds or two and

1273
01:08:58,400 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: a half year olds, and you've got your doughes eat

1274
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: and you've got all age classes. Calling can work great

1275
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: because there's competitiveness. So if you if you've got a

1276
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: situation in your stay, in your area and your hunting

1277
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: club in your public land area where it's a a

1278
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: competitive for the animals, your calling is going to be

1279
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: more effective. That makes sense. No, no where does rattling

1280
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 1: fit into your calling tactics? Does that fit into this

1281
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:31,879
Speaker 1: whole sequence you mentioned? Or if if I've done all everything,

1282
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: you know, rattling carry is pretty good. And if I've

1283
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: done everything, um like collar and I haven't seen anything

1284
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: and I avoided you know, minutes, I'll try to rattle

1285
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: and if I see a dear way off, I can

1286
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: try to rattle. And I have had had some great

1287
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: success rattling. Um, I'm gonna say I've been successful rattling

1288
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: five five to almost ten percent of time that I've

1289
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: that I've tried. Not always a big buck, um, but

1290
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: I don't write along, Um, that's my style. You can.

1291
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: But one of the things that's so hard to duplicate

1292
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: in a rattling situation. If you've ever seen bucks fight,

1293
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: A lot of times people see them fighting fields edge

1294
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: fields and stuff like that. But if they're fighting in

1295
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: the woods, if you're in the woods and you're you're

1296
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: you're fighting, you're gonna hear pushing, shoving, and a lot

1297
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: of quiet. You're not gonna hear the the horns all

1298
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: the time because they lock up and minutes a pushing match.

1299
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: So you're hearing dirt moving, ground moving, limbs being shaken,

1300
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: limbs breaking, saplings bending over. Um, you're you're hearing a

1301
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: different sounds other than just horns rattling. So if I

1302
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: rattle and I've got some corn, I will just and

1303
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: then be quiet for a minute. A lot of times

1304
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: that's all the fight that will be because somebody, one

1305
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 1: of those deer is going to establish authority and strength

1306
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: pretty quick, and then he's gonna he's gonna turn and

1307
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 1: get the heck out of there because he doesn't want

1308
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: to get his butt slammed there, and other deer in

1309
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 1: the area become curious and then so wait you know,

1310
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 1: five and ten minutes and and wees wait five to

1311
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: ten minutes and or grunt or roar anytime you've got

1312
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: the wind in your favor, especially if you're on the

1313
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: edge of a field. Perfect scenarios if you've got a

1314
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: bench and you've got a low field along the river bottom,

1315
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: you've got a bench from deer walking the bench and

1316
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: they've got to come by you to get to that field,

1317
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 1: and you do this college and sequence has a good

1318
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: chance you'll entice the deer to come see what all

1319
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: is going home. Yeah, it's uh, it's a scenario that

1320
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: I feel like plays out many many times each fall.

1321
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: And it's kind of the thing you dream of too,

1322
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: where you you may as sitting there and it's been

1323
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: a slow day and you're like, you know what, I'm

1324
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: gonna try some calls, and then you see that set

1325
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: of antlers come pushing out of the grass ahead of you,

1326
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: just after you snort, snort, wheeze or something. I mean,

1327
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: that's that's it right there. I just actually grunted. I

1328
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: told you before we record were recording, but I actually

1329
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: grunted in a nice buck this morning. Actually that kind

1330
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: of deal. Um gave him a couple kind of contact grunts.

1331
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: I didn't get to the point where I had to

1332
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: roar or anything. But did you see him first? Yes?

1333
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: In this case, I did see him first. UM, And

1334
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: I can and the way I kind of go about things,

1335
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: if I see him first, I start kind of at

1336
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: the bottom like you said, and then we'll work my

1337
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: way up if I need to. Um. But all I

1338
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: needed was that was that contact grunt. Um. Now how

1339
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: timing for me, at least with a lot of these

1340
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,759
Speaker 1: types of calls, I'm not really active with my calls

1341
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: a rady or anything until that pre rut or rut

1342
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: time frame. Is that the same thing you're doing or

1343
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: do you get this okay, no, day out. I mean

1344
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: it's almost like the deer speak English, and if you're

1345
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: doing all this aggressive calling before the pre rut starts,

1346
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: you're speaking Spanish and they don't know what it is.

1347
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: You know. Uh, it's totally totally changes everything. But now

1348
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 1: when you talk about timing, that makes my mind go

1349
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: to something years and nineteen, my early seventies, I made

1350
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: my first bow vest and what I what I wanted.

1351
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 1: I wanted something that when I pulled my bow back

1352
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 1: there were my string would have nothing in the way,

1353
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: my coat wouldn't be bullished out for hunting cold weather.

1354
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to pull my stuff in and counting it

1355
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: and make sure my stream wanted gonna catch my zipper

1356
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 1: button on my coat whatever um I wanted to also

1357
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: later on, as I got these calls more developed than whatever,

1358
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to be able to access and my can

1359
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 1: call without looking for it. And I wanted to because

1360
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 1: timing is everything. You see a buck coming through, he's

1361
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: eight yards away walking through the woods, and he's fixed

1362
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 1: and walked by a big oak, and you want to

1363
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: be able to call to him when his head passes

1364
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: behind that oak. You don't want him to be able

1365
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: to stop and turn and look exactly where you're called

1366
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 1: him from. You don't want to give away your exact

1367
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: location because he's gonna pinpointed anyway, but you don't want

1368
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: him to be able to see where it is. So

1369
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: I've got this gustage pocket on my right side. I'm

1370
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: right handed, so I'm pushing my bow with my left

1371
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 1: hand and I can reach in and grab my can

1372
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: never look forward pockets open, turned over and put it

1373
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: up well at error looking forward, looking for the pocket

1374
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: and it's got a place to tuck the grunt calling

1375
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: the front. If you want to wear it on a lanyard.

1376
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: I'll wear mine on my on my right wrist so

1377
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: that I can lift my arm, which is already going

1378
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: to be close to my string anyway. And it's also

1379
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: got a loop that I put the can with the

1380
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: bow in to hold the bow up. So if I

1381
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: gotta wait for this deer to approach, or he's feeding

1382
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: on the acorns coming my way, and I got to

1383
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 1: wash him for a long time for you know, ten minutes,

1384
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: I don't want all that weight on my my bow

1385
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: arm and tire my arm. Outside I have that little

1386
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: little pouch there, that little loop there that holds my

1387
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: bow up at the right height, but it doesn't tire

1388
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: my arm. So I'm real big on every stinking detail

1389
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: you could think of. The inside of the vest, I

1390
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 1: have places to store releases. Uh arm guard. I don't

1391
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: need an arm guard. But when you put on a

1392
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: lot of winter clothes, even though you shoot a bent

1393
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: arm and you shoot a quarter handle and you're pushing

1394
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,639
Speaker 1: that bow correctly, you've got great form, your clothes can

1395
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: get in the way of that stream. Depending on your

1396
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: brave syte. The short of the brace site, the you know,

1397
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: the closer is gonna come to your arm, and I

1398
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 1: wear an arm guard, so I keep that right there.

1399
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 1: I got a mask. I don't always wear a mask,

1400
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: but there's sometimes when I don't have a lot of

1401
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: cover and I'm in a tree. I just said, I

1402
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: just don't want my face shine. And uh so this

1403
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 1: bow vest. If I if I get my bow vest

1404
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 1: and put it on, I ain't forgetting nothing, and it's

1405
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: all it's all there. Um. So it's a it's a

1406
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 1: pretty good cool deal because I I swear by the details.

1407
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 1: And it's when that little micro opportunity comes your way,

1408
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: if you don't take advantage of it, you're liable not

1409
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: to get that another chance. Yeah yeah, I I a

1410
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:22,520
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty agree. And it's there's so many variables

1411
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: outside of our control as deer hunters, right, I mean,

1412
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: there's so many things outside our control. I just so

1413
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 1: firmly believe that we have to control all those variables

1414
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: that we do have some type of say over. And

1415
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 1: it's those little tiny details. So so back to time. Sorry,

1416
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, um, back to timing. I

1417
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: was gonna kind of shift gears a little bit. Um.

1418
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 1: You mentioned how important timing was in regards to you know,

1419
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: calling at the right moment, you know, when the buck's

1420
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 1: not looking your way or something. Um, or the time

1421
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 1: of year, making sure it's in the pre rudder or rut.

1422
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: So we're talking English not Spanish. Um, what about just

1423
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: a rut in general? And I kinda went shift away

1424
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: from calling, move over to talking about the rut. And

1425
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: first I guess, how how do people in the South

1426
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 1: experience the rut differently than we do here up where

1427
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm at. Um. I've heard a lot of different things

1428
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 1: about kind of wonky timing and all sorts of stuff

1429
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: like that. How was the how was the rut different

1430
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: down there? Well? When I'm hunted the Midwest, Um, there

1431
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 1: were days when I was so excited to be there

1432
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: and I would not see a deer. And then I'd

1433
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 1: go back to the little house we rented. Uh there now,

1434
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 1: and there's a big old book laid down at the

1435
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 1: fence in the backyard with a dope about eight yards

1436
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: from her laying there. Well, no wonder, I wantn't see

1437
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: you nothing. I mean they were locked up and he

1438
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 1: she was close to being bred, and he wasn't leaving her,

1439
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 1: and if she moved, he moved. But if she moved,

1440
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: he's gonna put her back down because he don't want

1441
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 1: her movement because when she moves and then come other

1442
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: bucks finder, and then he's got to fight. Then he's

1443
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: got to deal with that. So it's all about those

1444
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 1: big bucks finding those dose and keeping them down. When

1445
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 1: you don't have a hole, you've got a good balanced her.

1446
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: You know, at some point, just about every buck's got

1447
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 1: a dope, you know, hot, you know, beded down. So

1448
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: in the South it's it's a lot of the same. Um,

1449
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 1: it's all about doe movement. So the rout to me

1450
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: is figuring out where they want to be and hopefully

1451
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 1: them not going into lockdown. Um. Now we've hunted eastern

1452
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 1: Colorado near Shayan Wells, which is hundreds of thousands of

1453
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: acres of grain and and CRP fields. And how much

1454
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: fun is that? Because you ride around in a vehicle

1455
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: with spottings cope and you're finding dear walking and bedding

1456
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 1: down first light U from a mile away, half a

1457
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 1: mile away, and you're able to watch a buck bet

1458
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: up with the dough and then you're able to get

1459
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: the wind on them and make a stalk that may

1460
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 1: take two or three hours. And god, you talked about

1461
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 1: adrenaline field, But during that strength of the rut, when

1462
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: they're all locked down, you can find them there. The

1463
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 1: problem and is no different where we all hunt in

1464
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 1: the Midwest and where we hunt here once they get

1465
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: locked down, Uh, it's about It's all about the dope.

1466
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: She's got to move or he's got to let her move,

1467
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 1: uh to be able uh to do anything, because you

1468
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: can't hunt a book where he is. You gotta hunting

1469
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 1: where he's gonna be. M What about the timing of

1470
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 1: the rut? There's so many different little pockets of of

1471
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: unique timing for the rut and various locations across the South.

1472
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: Have you ever found a good explanation for why that

1473
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 1: is or how to keep tabs on all that down there? Well,

1474
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: when you've got to balanced herd, and let's say, let's see,

1475
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 1: if you've got a three to the three dough to

1476
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: one buck ratio or less, you've gotta balanced her and

1477
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 1: you have a mature class ages of bucks from six

1478
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: and a half set and a half on down, you've

1479
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: got the classes of bucks you've got this balanced herd.

1480
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: The rut in Mississippi, in the Mississippi Delta, Central, Mississippi

1481
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: North is going to start. The pre rud is gonna

1482
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: start just right at the day after Thanksgiving, a couple

1483
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: of days I thanked every year. And then uh as

1484
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,719
Speaker 1: you get on the end of the end of December.

1485
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: By December, you know the tenth that's liable to be

1486
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:58,879
Speaker 1: full born. Um. I've hunted in those areas not balanced,

1487
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 1: and they don't even seem to rut because there's there's

1488
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 1: too many doughs. I don't know, I'm not I mean,

1489
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 1: they've got studies. Mississippi State has done an incredible job

1490
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: of studying white tails and understanding their behavior and understand

1491
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: they're mating times and so forth. So the ruts going on,

1492
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 1: it is just not evident to us because the hearst

1493
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 1: out balances and they don't have to work hard to

1494
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: go find it do They don't have to move very much. Um,

1495
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: But typically it has for in my mind and what

1496
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: I've learned, it has to do with how balanced the

1497
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 1: herd is is when you're gonna have the rut, and

1498
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,679
Speaker 1: if it's a balanced deal, it's gonna start shortly after

1499
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 1: Nanksgiving for the pre rut. Interesting all right, No, as

1500
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, a matter of a matter of fact,

1501
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: that that Eric dear I was talking about. Um, I

1502
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 1: want to say I killed him the day after Thanksgiving.

1503
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:52,680
Speaker 1: I got the David's They are a couple of days

1504
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving some somewhere right in there, and it was

1505
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: it was pre rut. You can tell he was pre rutting.

1506
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: He was, he was, he was on the prowl and

1507
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 1: he was responding to Gauls. Interesting and that's in that's

1508
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 1: in the heart of Mississippi. So so okay, the rut. Well,

1509
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 1: right now, as this podcast is first being launched, it

1510
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: will be at kind of the the beginning of what

1511
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to say is the

1512
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: peak of running activity across a lot of the country,

1513
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: especially in the Midwest, the northern two thirds of the country,

1514
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 1: these first couple of weeks when November for a lot

1515
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 1: of people is that great rut time period. Um. So

1516
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,600
Speaker 1: for those people right now who are getting into the

1517
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 1: real heart of it already, and then for those who

1518
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: maybe in December have that to look forward to down south,

1519
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 1: what are your your kind of keys to success during

1520
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 1: the road. What are like the handful of things that

1521
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:43,560
Speaker 1: you tell someone if they want to be able to

1522
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 1: kill the mature buck in the rut, do this well,

1523
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: don't get in the habit of hunting early. Only first

1524
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: thing in the morning and the first thing in the afternoon.

1525
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 1: Just an afternoon hunt, in morning hunt and skipping the

1526
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 1: middle of the day because they can be moving at

1527
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 1: any time, and a lot of times we don't realize

1528
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: that we were hunting. You're trying to hunt some food

1529
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 1: sources where the those may be coming through, and the

1530
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: bucks are looking for those. So let's say you're hunting

1531
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: an acre flat. You've got ten or twelve great white oaks,

1532
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: and they're in a certain spot, and you you go

1533
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: in there when you when you sneak in there in

1534
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 1: the dark, and you get in there early before if

1535
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna get set up before the sun even thinks

1536
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,600
Speaker 1: about coming up. And you're getting to your stand, and

1537
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you hear deer running, You may

1538
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:31,640
Speaker 1: hear they may blow at you, and once they hear you,

1539
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 1: if you do it you're under that stand correctly, you're

1540
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 1: gonna have to win in your face. So a trick

1541
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: there is to blow back at them. Just blow back

1542
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: at them. What they heard was a deer, it wasn't

1543
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 1: wasn't a human or if they might be moonlit and

1544
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 1: it might can see you. But what you're doing is

1545
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: you're running the deer off of this spot and you're

1546
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 1: teaching them that this is where the predators are coming to,

1547
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: the human predators come into. So a lot of times

1548
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,839
Speaker 1: let them leave that spot and go in at ten o'clock.

1549
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 1: So hunting the rut is all about the dose. It's

1550
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 1: all about the books looking for dose. Food sources are

1551
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: good because the does are gonna eat, They're gonna be

1552
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 1: there wherever their does, that's where the buck is going

1553
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:18,640
Speaker 1: to be. And you've just got to find those travelers

1554
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 1: where they're going back and forth. I love the Midwest

1555
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: because those those those pinch points were so so active

1556
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: and so incredible as deer went from one section to

1557
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: another section and used that pinch point to travel through.

1558
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 1: Um calling you do it, let them know you're there.

1559
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 1: Watch the wind like you've never watched it before. And

1560
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: I will tell you this, and I get a question

1561
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 1: of time. I've been using ozonics since the year it

1562
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 1: came out, and if you use ozonics correctly and use

1563
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 1: ozone correctly, you can protect your down wind side. UM.

1564
01:24:55,160 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 1: At my farm, I had nine ozone units ozonics units,

1565
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 1: and I nobody was allowed to hunt unless they were

1566
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 1: taught and used it because the down the down wind

1567
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 1: side if if you think you're hunting, them like to coming,

1568
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of times they're behind you, or

1569
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 1: they may be you know, yards behind, you never know it.

1570
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,560
Speaker 1: And if you will protect that down wind side always

1571
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: and eliminate your odor um, then you have a lot

1572
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 1: better chance of being successful later on, even if you're

1573
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: not that day. And I will say this if the

1574
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 1: if the wind is blowing and gayel forces to twelve

1575
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: fifteen miles an hour and it's flat lighting and just

1576
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 1: you just the the unit can't keep up, so don't

1577
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 1: expect it to be able to in a blind. It's

1578
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 1: it's near effectively if you use it correctly. But I

1579
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: swear by it, uh and I've got videos to prove it.

1580
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable what you can get away with. A matter

1581
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 1: of fact, the guy that helps my life in the yard,

1582
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 1: UM gave him a unit to help him and getting

1583
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 1: you and he um he used it. He's already sent

1584
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 1: me two pictures of two bucks he killed down down

1585
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: wind from me food sources this year. So it's a

1586
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 1: truly but don't expect it to do everything. You know,

1587
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 1: when I hun cameraman. We've got two units and because

1588
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: you're trying to cover a wide spectrum of area. And

1589
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: the quick concept of it is is you want your

1590
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: scent line going through a curtain of ozone. If you're

1591
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: using the unit and you can smell the ozone, and

1592
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 1: ozone has a very clean hospital type smell, then you're

1593
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 1: using it wrong. And can I tell you how many

1594
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: deer of coming down? When those in Bucks and if

1595
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 1: I've seen him come in, they stand there, it's like

1596
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:45,799
Speaker 1: they smell something, but they they slapped their their tongue

1597
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 1: on their nose like they're trying to grab a molecute

1598
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 1: or something and trying to figure it out. I don't

1599
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: know what that is. They going right about their business.

1600
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 1: It's not anything they're scared off. O Zone is natural.

1601
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: Ozone is created by lightning when it goes through the

1602
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 1: air and inks oxygen into OH three. Very unstable. That's

1603
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 1: why we'll attach itself to older molecus and why it's

1604
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 1: so affected. Yeah, yeah, I've I've experienced similar things to

1605
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 1: you when using an ozonics and it's it's definitely part

1606
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: of my repertoire now too. Um that said, what else

1607
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: is what else do you do from a sun control standpoint? Well,

1608
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 1: you know, if I like I love to make a

1609
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: fake scrape rub with a scent or anything. Um, I

1610
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: just I'm so freaky about sense any sense you add,

1611
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 1: I don't know where it's coming from and where it

1612
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 1: was bottled, and their CWD issues these days and whatever.

1613
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: So I actually am using veterinarian um artificial seminating gloves

1614
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 1: that go all the way up to my armpits, and

1615
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: then I put latex gloves on top of that, similar

1616
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 1: to the ways to use gutt and gloves, and I've

1617
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 1: framed my boots down with We we make what's called

1618
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: control Freak, which is a silver based older eliminator. It

1619
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 1: eliminates older and there's a great job. And you can

1620
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 1: prove it if you've got the kids and they play

1621
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 1: hockey and they've got stinking shoes, spray control Freaking there

1622
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 1: and you'll be amazed it doesn't and the odor will

1623
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 1: be gone. But it doesn't. It doesn't eliminate the odor

1624
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 1: of your body constantly produces. That's why ozonic is so

1625
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: affected your breath. Uh, your body is producing odors to

1626
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 1: ole times. So you can spray control freak on you.

1627
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 1: But that other mean it's gonna keep on eliminating the

1628
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 1: odor of your body's producing. So I spray my boots down,

1629
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 1: tall rubber boots. Spray them down real good where these

1630
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 1: long gloves and late to his gloves. And I'll say,

1631
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 1: I say, I'm in a small food plot. I've got

1632
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 1: a little small sap and growing out on the little island.

1633
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:44,640
Speaker 1: I'll go out there and I'll take a salt and

1634
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 1: i will shave the edge of that tree to make

1635
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: it look like a rub and then I'll make a

1636
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 1: scrape and if a deer comes, he visually sees that

1637
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna walk over to it. I mean, I can

1638
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 1: make one this afternoon, and if a deer comes to

1639
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 1: that food plot tonight, it's gonna have deer prints and

1640
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 1: pall marks in it. And then you didn't any sin

1641
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:09,879
Speaker 1: in it. So I'm I'm doing that too interesting depending

1642
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: on the situation, and you know where the tree. Yeah,

1643
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 1: like I've used somewhat similar tactics like that to your planting,

1644
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 1: Like a fake scrape tree in the middle of a

1645
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:22,839
Speaker 1: food plot is some way to to you know, control

1646
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 1: where the traffic is had to give you something. I

1647
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 1: think Mark Drewy I did a video one time to

1648
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 1: show doing that. It were it's a great idea I

1649
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: ever thought of that. Man, They're gonna come to it.

1650
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 1: They're going and they're going to make a looking branch

1651
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 1: and figure it out, you know, because they think that's

1652
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:41,840
Speaker 1: what's going on. Yeah, yeah, I mean they're very much.

1653
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 1: You always hear the analogy that they kind of are

1654
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: like fish relating to structure. Dear relate to structure as well,

1655
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 1: No doubt about it, you, no doubt about it. So

1656
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 1: so well, I could probably talk to you for four

1657
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 1: hours about all this stuff, UM, but I know that

1658
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of other things going on. I

1659
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 1: don't want to do it too so I wanted to

1660
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 1: kind of wrap things up with with this topic. UM.

1661
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 1: And that's the future of deer hunting. UM. I've heard

1662
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:11,639
Speaker 1: you and I've seen you, UM kind of stand up

1663
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 1: and speak out about things over the last handful of

1664
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 1: the years. UM. At some of these North American deer

1665
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 1: summits and in relation to some of the different things

1666
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 1: happening these days in the hunting community. UM, I guess

1667
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 1: how do you feel about the future of deer hunting?

1668
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 1: What do you see coming up? And then, um, if

1669
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 1: you had a final message to leave with our audience

1670
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 1: about that, um, I would love to hear that. Well.

1671
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 1: You know, as far as bow hunters go, whitetail bow

1672
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: hunters going hunters to some extent, but we are loners.

1673
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 1: We like privacy, we like going into the woods being quiet.

1674
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 1: We're all birdwatchers. We're watching while and we see enjoy

1675
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 1: being there. We enjoy the fall colors and seeing seeing

1676
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 1: God's creation in the woods. And it goes against our nature.

1677
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 1: But I urge people to find somebody uh that wants

1678
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 1: to learn about archery, about the romance of the era.

1679
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 1: Teach them about Saxon Cope and heart Young, about issue,

1680
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 1: about Howard Hill, about Fred Bear, about the history of

1681
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 1: the boat and era, the the Indians and light that

1682
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 1: fire and it's I call it the romance of the arrow,

1683
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 1: of the flight of that arrow. It's just it's just romanic.

1684
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:38,680
Speaker 1: And then spend time with them to learn proper form

1685
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 1: to help them get the right equipment. Don't cut them short,

1686
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 1: get them the best equipment that you can or that

1687
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 1: they can help buy her forward. You know, I've had

1688
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,680
Speaker 1: seen kids that have gotten jobs cutting grass in the

1689
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: summer so as they could buy a certain side or

1690
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 1: and and just as wonderful to see them get so

1691
01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 1: involved in it. Um. John Vack is a guy that

1692
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 1: is head over the pro staff for all of bush

1693
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 1: Nail and Federal and m Savage, and he helped promote

1694
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:11,759
Speaker 1: those lines. And his son, he sent me a picture

1695
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: yesterday of his son had killed his first book by himself,

1696
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 1: sol with a boat. And there's it's just like passing

1697
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 1: the torch. And what John did and raising his son,

1698
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 1: he showed him and and taught him and exposed him

1699
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 1: to this world that we love and cherish. And if

1700
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 1: you love it and you cherish, then you want to

1701
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 1: protect it and you want to share it with people.

1702
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 1: And if we as hunters don't recruit younger new people,

1703
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of kids out there that don't

1704
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:46,640
Speaker 1: have hunting parents and don't have opportunity, and if we

1705
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 1: don't do it, then they're not gonna understand it. And

1706
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 1: if they don't understand it, they're not gonna love it,

1707
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 1: they're not gonna want to protect it. Um, So the

1708
01:32:56,280 --> 01:33:01,720
Speaker 1: future of Hunter Honey is really it's up to us. Uh.

1709
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 1: I was so proud of John Vakas even that picture

1710
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 1: of his son and had that big smile on his face,

1711
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 1: and um, I know what, I know it, I know

1712
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 1: what that's that's got to be like for John to

1713
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 1: suddenly pass the towards you know, and now his son

1714
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 1: is gonna be going by himself. There's huge safety issues.

1715
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 1: How do you use a harness, a safety harness, How

1716
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: to properly get in the tree with the safety harness

1717
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: attached so that you're not putting yourself into a position

1718
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:35,639
Speaker 1: to possibly hurt yourself and those some of those accidents

1719
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:41,639
Speaker 1: can be incredibly tragic, not only death, but paralyzed for life.

1720
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 1: And you know, and and end what you what what

1721
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: you wanted to find anyway, and that by going and

1722
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 1: doing that was the piece and quiet of the outdoors. Um.

1723
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,879
Speaker 1: As far as the different states, they all have different

1724
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:01,480
Speaker 1: ideas and and and different rules and regulation. Uh, Mississippi

1725
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 1: doesn't allow baiting, Arkansas does, Louisiana does, Kansas does for

1726
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:13,719
Speaker 1: some and you know, people get upset about um people baiting.

1727
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:17,960
Speaker 1: They get upset about people using crossbows. Look, I remember

1728
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:21,640
Speaker 1: they drugged me into the compound world. They they drugged me.

1729
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 1: I said, there's no way that this thing with wheels

1730
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 1: on it will ever be as good and effective as

1731
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 1: my recurve. And boy was I wrong. But I love

1732
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 1: a compound. I shoot Matthews, and I just love what

1733
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 1: Matthew Ferson does and it's engineering on his bows. I

1734
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: love them. I also love the recurve, and I got

1735
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 1: my black wood of sitting right here on the table,

1736
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 1: and I love the flight of the era. Uh. But

1737
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 1: when they get the argument about people with crossbows. Man,

1738
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 1: if a guy will go out in the woods and

1739
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,640
Speaker 1: be a hunter and be a part of it, I

1740
01:34:56,680 --> 01:35:00,040
Speaker 1: don't care if he uses a rock. You know, I

1741
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 1: want him to go. I want people to go and

1742
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 1: experience it and want to be there. I don't want

1743
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 1: to restrict him. I wanted to follow the laws of

1744
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:12,520
Speaker 1: the state where the state thinks it's right. But um,

1745
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 1: I just want people to participate, and I want people

1746
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 1: to to be a part and understand what it is

1747
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,799
Speaker 1: we love so much. A friend of mine he decided

1748
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 1: not to go both hunt Saturday and he went squirrel

1749
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:27,680
Speaker 1: hunt and I was talking to him and sending them

1750
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 1: stand there looking at him, names John Stevens and uh,

1751
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 1: he says, man, he was peaceful and he's finding deer

1752
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: trails and he's scouting while he's hunting squirrels. He killed

1753
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 1: his limit of squirrels and and talk about how it

1754
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 1: was a co front he'd come through. Was it was,

1755
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 1: you know, right at thirty five degrees. It just had

1756
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 1: a blaste in the woods. And that's what it's all about.

1757
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 1: And that's what we need to share and teach to

1758
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 1: those that are around us, in front of us, behind us.

1759
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 1: We need to share it. We need to teach them.

1760
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 1: I think that is uh an incredibly important message. So

1761
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 1: appreciate you appreciate it. Wrapping things up with that, it

1762
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 1: was kind of perfect way to end this. So so well,

1763
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 1: if people want, well, start good, you go ahead. I

1764
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, if people wanted to um see

1765
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 1: your show or follow up different things you're doing, or

1766
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 1: check out some of the products that you mentioned, where

1767
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: might they be able to find all these different things. Well,

1768
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 1: of course, you can go to Primos t r I

1769
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 1: MS dot com to the website. You can go to

1770
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 1: Primos's YouTube channel and you can see all kind of

1771
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 1: tips and see different hunts. You see l hunts and

1772
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 1: waterfowl hunts and pronator hunts and deer hunts of course,

1773
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 1: and uh you see all of that. Um. And then

1774
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 1: there there's there's podcasts available that the company does. So

1775
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 1: there's there's many many avenues to be able to get

1776
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 1: to us. Um. But the TV show is on the

1777
01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:00,559
Speaker 1: Outdoor channel, um. And it's got that leaks were areas

1778
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 1: a week and you just have to go outdoor chain

1779
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:03,680
Speaker 1: and look at those areas to be sure you've got

1780
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:06,519
Speaker 1: the right time slot for your your zone, whether it

1781
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:09,600
Speaker 1: be central or mountain or eastern or whatever it is

1782
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 1: to be able to know exactly when the show is

1783
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 1: coming home. But we're having fun with the show. We're

1784
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 1: we've got a great place to hunt. We're taking advantage

1785
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 1: of it. That's awesome. Well, well, well, I can't thank

1786
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 1: you enough for taking the time to be here with us.

1787
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 1: We really really appreciate it. Yes, sir Mark, thank you.

1788
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 1: Good luck to air, Oh your listeners, good luck y'all.

1789
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 1: Be careful and please be careful clown in those trees. Yeah,

1790
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,240
Speaker 1: and good luck to you too. I'll hope to see

1791
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:38,439
Speaker 1: some pictures of some big Bucks soon and looking forward

1792
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:40,320
Speaker 1: to watching the episodes of the show in the future too.

1793
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 1: Thank you all for thanks Mark and that is a rap.

1794
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 1: Episode number one eight one is in the books. But

1795
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:52,400
Speaker 1: a couple of quick updates before we shut this down completely.

1796
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 1: You know, as me and Dan we're talking about at

1797
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 1: the beginning of the podcast, our hunts are ramping up.

1798
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 1: Things are getting exciting, so want to encourage you to

1799
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 1: foul along with us on social media. I'm posting a

1800
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:08,559
Speaker 1: lot of updates there. Um the wire do on Facebook

1801
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 1: page is a great place to get things while you're

1802
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,360
Speaker 1: to hunt. On Twitter, I'm sharing things there and then,

1803
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 1: and most of all, what I'm doing is sharing every day,

1804
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 1: I'm sharing Instagram stories, so over on Instagram you can

1805
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 1: share these little mini videos and photos and things like that.

1806
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 1: That's the story, um the Instagram story feature, and I'm

1807
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 1: kind of documenting each day of hunting on there pretty thoroughly,

1808
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 1: so make sure you're checking those out. UM My handle

1809
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 1: is at the at sign wired to hunt all one

1810
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 1: word that's on Instagram. Sign up for it, check it out.

1811
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 1: That way you can follow along with what's going on.

1812
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 1: And be the very first to hear about how things

1813
01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 1: go for holy Field and everything else going on. And then,

1814
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 1: of course you can find Dan's information over there at

1815
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 1: the Nine Finger Chronicles if you want to foul along

1816
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:57,679
Speaker 1: with his Iowa hunts or parenting debaccles. So um, I guess.

1817
01:38:57,720 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 1: Other than that, I just want to leave you with

1818
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:02,400
Speaker 1: a quick thank you to our partners who helped make

1819
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 1: this whole thing happen so big. Thanks to sit to

1820
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 1: gear Yetti, Cooler's, Matthew's Archery, may Haven Optics, the White

1821
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:12,839
Speaker 1: Tail Institute of North America, Trophy Ridge, and hunt Terra Maps,

1822
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:16,760
Speaker 1: and then finally, thank you, thank you to all of

1823
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 1: you spending time with us here today for listening. I

1824
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 1: know it's a busy time of year, so carving out

1825
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:23,920
Speaker 1: some time to listen to a podcast, I appreciate it.

1826
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:26,439
Speaker 1: So good luck out in the woods. Hopefully you're gonna

1827
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 1: have some incredible hunts, some awesome memories, and until next time,

1828
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:35,559
Speaker 1: have fun, be safe, good luck, and stay wired to hunt.