1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real house Boss in Atlanta, New 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: and Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: or scripted as well. 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: I told them on my birthday in June that I 10 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: was like, we're not doing he We're not doing man, 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: We're not doing gay like and it was very freeing. 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: And also it just was you know, it just was 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: like I wasn't like, I'm not you know, And it's 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 2: very important. I think too when you're and I hate 15 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: the word, I hate the term coming coming out, but 16 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: I think when you're telling people about who you are, 17 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: you are telling them I'm not looking for acceptance. I'm 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: not looking for your validation. I am telling you what's 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: going down. 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: Reggae News. Carlos Carlos Kid, your boy going viral again, 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: godfather of reality television. Hey, rain Drops, thank you all 22 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: so much who have subscribed to the channel. 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We are here with Royalty 33 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 1: and that's the motherfucking truth because listen, this person has 34 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: been in our lives for like almost two decades, and 35 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful and thankful that they are here so 36 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: that we can really get to know them. So, ladies, 37 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: jeent to men Gaze and Days give it up for 38 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: the iconic EJ. 39 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 2: Johnson. I can't with Gaze and Days. 40 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: I love that. 41 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: I'm very inclusive, It's very hilarious. 42 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: How are you great? 43 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: How are you? 44 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: You are stunning? Thank you you are I finally get 45 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: to meet you. 46 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: Yes, we met almost a year ago now Anni via 47 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: zoom only. 48 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,839 Speaker 1: Via zoom and I fangirled a little bit, but now 49 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: when in person a, let me tell on something. Baby 50 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: is everything. Person that's everything. But how are you? 51 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: I'm amazing, you look amazing. It's a great way to 52 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: start the new year. I'm so excited. 53 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so listen, We're in New York City, which 54 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: is I'm hearing is like your new playground. 55 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: Well, it's my new home. I live here now. I 56 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: live here now, so I'm back. I was here, I 57 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: went to school here, but like my heart's here, Like 58 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: I have never had a love affair with La That's 59 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 2: just the place I'm from. But like I me and 60 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: New York have a relationship. We just broke up and 61 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: we got back together. Yeah we both had to grow 62 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: and like do our own things. But like now we're back. 63 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: But like this is New York's like my man, Like 64 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: you know, we had we had to get back together. 65 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, And now is it a monogamous relationship 66 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: in New York City? You're not? 67 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: No, No, I think like we're kind of like all 68 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: over the place. Because I also love Europe. I'm I'm 69 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: I adore Paris and I'm sure at some point I'll 70 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: live this to there too. Yeah, but by now you're 71 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: just like, right now, I'm very happy to be here. 72 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: And plus I'm only like six hours from from from 73 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: Paris or London or wherever. So I'm good, good, good, 74 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: good good. Listen. 75 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: I am so thrilled to talk to you, because number one, listen, 76 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: you don't do I feel like any interviews. 77 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: It's been a while. Yeah, it's been a while. I 78 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: mean I was doing a lot of growing like in 79 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: this time, but I was like, I think it's very important. 80 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: I think, especially for people who have like lengthy careers 81 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 2: and they change and stuff like, it's very important to 82 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: have some time to yourself. And so like it's exciting 83 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: for me to get back out there. It's like the 84 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: highest version of myself. And like it's been it's just 85 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: been an exciting journey just in the past couple of months, 86 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: and so like I'm excited to have this like interview, 87 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 2: first interview, and then like excited for the more after this. 88 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: So is twenty twenty six about to be like the 89 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: comeback of e j Nhnsen? 90 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like the emergence of like miss Thing. 91 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like she's bad, but you 92 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: know what I I will say that, like EJ never 93 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: really fully arrived until now, and I thought about that 94 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: a great deal an anticipation of this interview, but I 95 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: was like, because I knew you were gonna I probably 96 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: asked something like that. But to be honest, like EJ 97 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: is fully here. Like I think before, I was so 98 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: young at that time, at the time of you know, 99 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 2: being on e and all of that, when the first 100 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: that first spotlight hit, I mean I was like twenty, 101 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: Like you know, I had a lot of a lot 102 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: of self work to do. And now after doing all 103 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: of that and like you know, taking my time to 104 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: really just fall in love with myself, I'm like, oh, 105 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 2: everything is, the balances are zeroed out. We're checking and 106 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: checking all the boxes and like I'm fully fully here. Yes. 107 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: And I could tell that again, especially during our earlier 108 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: conversations via zoom, and I knew it was like the 109 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: right time to have this conversation with you because I 110 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: do feel like when it comes to you, which I 111 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: give you so much props on, seriously, you still have 112 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: this level of anonymity when it comes to there's a 113 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: lot of people. Although you know you had a reality show, 114 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: you were on it for so many years, you still 115 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: can up your private life fundamentally private, and there are 116 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: just things about you that I feel like you always 117 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: protect it. And that's good because listen, when it comes 118 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: to the offspring of celebrity parents, you know this, You 119 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: see some of the unfortunate things that occur with them. 120 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: But I always felt like with you, you always did 121 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: your best to make sure, you know, to sort of 122 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: protect your your identity and really not just be out 123 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: there for the second being out there. 124 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it never really interested me, to be honest and 125 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 2: like honestly, like even when I was doing when I 126 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: was on camera, like I would fight the producers whenever 127 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: they would push something on me that I didn't want 128 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: to do or wasn't me, and they were like, oh, 129 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: well you know this. It doesn't matter that it's not you, 130 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: you know, because somebody in the middle of the world, 131 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 2: you know, in the middle of the country or somewhere 132 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: randomly will get it. And I'm like, no, but I'm 133 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: not doing it because I wouldn't do that. Like, this 134 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: has nothing to do with some random person somewhere that's 135 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: not here who's supposed to be laughing or understanding what 136 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: you're asking me to do you know that was never 137 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: I know, I always had like a pretty strong sense 138 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: of self and things that I knew I liked that 139 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: I wanted to portray and like things that didn't. But 140 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: you know, to be honest, it's like so much has changed, 141 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: even you know, since then, and like you know, even 142 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: seeing these celebrities like cry and on you know, Instagram 143 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: lives or you know, just like put so much personal 144 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: business out there and then they want to get mad 145 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: when everyone's in their business and commenting on everything they're doing. 146 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, but you let them in. And 147 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: so I always keep a boundary. And like there is 148 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: nothing more honey in my life right now than the 149 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: boundaries that are the most powerful. I don't care who 150 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: you are, you have to keep your distance. If I 151 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: don't know you like that, if I you know, we 152 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: don't have some kind of a real fundamental relationship, you're 153 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: over there, like I don't. I don't play that good 154 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: for you. 155 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: It took me to be my forties to get there, 156 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: so kudols to you were already figuring that out. 157 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: I mean it just like I think for me, I 158 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: just like learned through experience. To me, I'm just like 159 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: I had a lot of friends who I thought were 160 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: my friends, you know, over the past couple of years, 161 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: who had to go because they just like so did 162 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: not have the you know, the best uh intentions for me, 163 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: not pure totally wanted their hooks in, and like I 164 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: just had to I had to wake up and I 165 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: had to get to work, and I'd just been like, Okay, 166 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: all of you have just got to go. Like I'm 167 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: not even I'm not even playing, like I'm not even like, 168 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: oh maybe, well, no, you gotta go. 169 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I really want to go back a little 170 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: bit because I want this interview to be just about you. 171 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 2: Yes, what else is there to talk about? 172 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: Yes, because I I I really just feel like when 173 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: it comes to you, there's a lot of people who 174 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: just don't know much about you. So I would love 175 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: to spend this hour, you know, with that intention. 176 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 177 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: So, who was EJ. Johnson growing up California? Obviously your 178 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: father is at Johnson, your mother is the beautiful cookie. 179 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: But like you're the oldest, who were you growing up 180 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: in that world as a young boy? 181 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: You know, honestly, like it's very it was very difficult, 182 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: and you know, I talk about a lot about this 183 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 2: you know, like with other people, you know, growing up, 184 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: you know, in all the bougie, you know, eleiting schools 185 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 2: that I went to, and like all of the children 186 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: that I went to school with in La were you know, 187 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: industry elite. So everyone had somebody's parent was always doing something, 188 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: even if they just had money for the sake of 189 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: having money. But it's very difficult to be born in 190 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: someone's shadow, it really is. And like no one talks 191 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: about that right now. It's like, oh, like you know, 192 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: every you know, the industry is glamorizing, you know, the 193 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: NEPO babies, but at the same time demonizing it too, 194 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: because then everyone is mad that, like you know, they 195 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 2: think that we all have like a leg up or something. 196 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: But honestly, like, it is very difficult to come into 197 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: the world and what you want doesn't really matter because 198 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: it really only matters what plays well for or whoever 199 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: the spotlight is on. And that was very difficult to 200 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: navigate as a child, and even as a young adult. Honestly, 201 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: it was weird. It was definitely, it definitely took a 202 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: lot of time to just like find myself and all 203 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: of that and then just be like hey, like you know, 204 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: your spotlight is over here and mine is over here, 205 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: and like the only thing I have to do in 206 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: this lifetime is focus and nurture me and my what's 207 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: going on over here? And you do that over there. 208 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: But yeah, like that was a lot, a lot for 209 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: the child. But like you know, like I was always 210 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 2: just running around, prancing around in skirts and doing the most, 211 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: you know, as a kid, and like, I think I 212 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: found a lot of even at those young ages, I 213 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: found a lot of security just like hanging out with 214 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 2: myself because it was just like a very you know, 215 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: awkward coming into my own and trying to find myself 216 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: in the world. That kind of like told me that 217 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: like I wasn't allowed to like exist the way that 218 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: I wanted to exist. So I gained a lot of 219 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 2: self confidence just like playing by myself because like that's 220 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: where I felt safest, and it ended up, you know, 221 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: ultimately like being one of my greatest attributes because like 222 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: now it's like I'm like this with myself and like, no, 223 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: I'm unmovable, unshakeable, you know, invincible. You cannot upset me 224 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: or do anything, you know, externally because I'm one hundred 225 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 2: percent right here. 226 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: When did you realize you were gay. 227 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 2: Pretty early on. Honestly, like I don't even I wasn't 228 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 2: one of those people who ever tried to be straight, 229 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: you know, like I talked to a lot of you know, 230 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: like obviously the gayest there, you know, either that I 231 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: grew up with or like ended up being friends with, 232 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: but like I would say, like ninety percent of them, 233 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: you know, had girlfriends or lost their virginities to women. 234 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: And like I really never tried, like it was it 235 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: really like it wasn't an option. I don't think I 236 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: would have taken myself seriously even at that young age, 237 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 2: to be honest, Like I could never see myself as 238 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: like dating a girl, Like I don't even even think 239 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: I could. That's one say. I couldn't convince myself to 240 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: do it. So therefore I was like, girl, you can't 241 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: convince the world to think that for you. But definitely 242 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: like eleven twelve, oh for sure, But like when you know, 243 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 2: you start to have those feelings and stuff. But honestly, 244 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 2: I think like the feelings were just so strong that 245 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: like I just kind of like knew it, and I think, 246 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, probably like the eighth grade, like 247 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: the summer before I went into high school, like I 248 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: really like got serious with myself about it, and we 249 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 2: were like, you know this, this is it. You know 250 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: it's like I don't know, Like I just was kind 251 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: of like this is who we are. I remember that 252 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 2: like very specifically, like just like taking like those last 253 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 2: couple of weeks before I had to go back to school, 254 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: and I was like, this is it. And then I 255 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: felt so much freer, like when I got into high school, 256 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: like I just was like so much more like definitely 257 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: coming into my own because like at school, like I 258 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: just like didn't care, like I didn't hide it. I 259 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: didn't pretend like everyone knew and everyone was cool, and 260 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: you know, it was cool. 261 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: And the first person you told your mother, correct, no, 262 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: that's a family. 263 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: Definitely my friend, but no my mom. Yeah, my mom 264 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: kind of like interrogated me when I was second tenth grade. 265 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: Do you remember what she was asking you? 266 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: She we were on vacation Hawaii, and she kept asking. 267 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 2: She was asking me because like I had another friend 268 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 2: who came with me and he's also gay, or I 269 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: used to stay attracted to men. I don't really use 270 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: those kind of labels on myself anymore, but we were 271 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: were just taking all the hawk guys. I mean we were, 272 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 2: you know, we were doing what the girls do. We 273 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: were they were everywhere, and we were you know, talking 274 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: and looking. And she noticed and then she was like, 275 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: I think this is probably something we should talk about, 276 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: like what's going on? And I was like, well, I 277 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 2: think this is it. This is what I like, you know, 278 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: and I think she was onitially she was like fine 279 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 2: in the beginning, but then I think it took her 280 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: some time after that because like she was like, it 281 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: was this is weird because it was you know, she 282 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 2: had her church, so it was like a lot of 283 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: going against like what she had been taught. And I 284 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 2: think that both for both of them, it was that 285 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: kind of a struggle because they were not people that 286 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: know how to think outside the box. Like they're not 287 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: oh this is new, Oh this could happen, or like 288 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: this would be okay, like you know, we can adapt. 289 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: It was very like they're very strongly like okay, like 290 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: this is how it is, and this is black as white, 291 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: and this is this and that's that and a lot 292 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: of boxes. And so I think like I really came 293 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: up against all of that, like you know, in my 294 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 2: coming of age story, and I never, to be honest, 295 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: like I never saw anything wrong with it, Like I 296 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: never thought was wrong with anything that I did, like 297 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 2: even when I was a kid, and like they were like, well, 298 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: you can't wear skirts, and I was like, well why not? 299 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 2: You know, It's like my inner being was like, there's 300 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: nothing wrong with this, especially if I look cuter than 301 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: any girl does. Like what's the problem, Like what's the issue? 302 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: And that's exactly how I applied it to myself to 303 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: these days in the way that I present, like in 304 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: my you know, in my feminine regalia, you know, aways 305 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 2: been a feminine being, and like that's just like how 306 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: I you know, I best expressed myself. But I'm like, listen, 307 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: I'm out all the time, you know, and I'm killing 308 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: a dress and no one else is, Like the girls 309 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: in the room are not doing it, Like they don't 310 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: look cute, they're not dressed tenny nine. So I love it. 311 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: You know. What's so funny because obviously so our parents 312 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: are from Michigan, so your story I can relate to. 313 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: And again I'm obviously much older than you. I could 314 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: be your older big brother, but I can't relate to. 315 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: Ages my brother. Oh are you forty yeah something yeah, yeah, 316 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: something too. Yeah. 317 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: So I get it. But I have this theory because 318 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: my father and I've said this publicly and he's fine 319 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: with it because I have to ask permission because I 320 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: was like, I don't want you to think I'm gonna 321 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: use my platform to blast you. And we're fine. But 322 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: he was very very much so like close minded, born 323 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty nine in Detroit, Michigan, and was like, 324 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: my black son, and I'm one of six. I have 325 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: six brothers. 326 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 2: Wow, and it's ten of us total. Wow. Right, Oh 327 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: my god, that's just like my dad's maam. 328 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: So I'm saying, I'm saying, it's so parallel. So he 329 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: was just like and so I knew, unfortunately that my 330 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: femininity was not going to be accepted. And I have 331 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: this theory about black mamas because I felt like black mama, 332 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: no the kids child. And although I came out very late, 333 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: I came out at twenty five, that's not about that well, 334 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, because some well nowadays you know, the girls 335 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: are coming out baby at seven, right, which I'm like, 336 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: go right ahead. But my mom, very sweet rest in Heaven, 337 00:16:53,880 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: she was like, you sure, And I said, girl, she's like, well, 338 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: didn't want to assume it. She was like, you're going 339 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: to tell your dad because he's been asking about it 340 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: ever since you were five years old. He asked me 341 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: every year, and I'm like, I'm not telling him, So 342 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: I didn't tell him so much later, but I could 343 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: relate to you in terms of like having parents who 344 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: just wasn't really sort of like who got it. But 345 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to you, obviously you're not just any 346 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: kid your namesake says it all. 347 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 3: Was. 348 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: Did you ever feel like the sort of. 349 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: Like image you had to uphold being the namesake of 350 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: your dad? Hmmm? 351 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: I think that's what they tried to teach me. That's 352 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: why I was raised to believe that. But especially now 353 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: I'm free of all of that because I, like I said, 354 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 2: it's like I've totally ripped myself away from anyone's namesake 355 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 2: besides my own, you know, and I don't even EJ. 356 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: Johnson specifically is the only person that I'm fully, fully 357 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: respond and fully looking out for, you know, and that 358 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: has caused that has given me so much peace. Like 359 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: you have no idea, but I think in the beginning, 360 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: especially like even when I'm stepping out into my own spotlight. 361 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:12,719 Speaker 2: It was like it was still like a lot of 362 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 2: that of trying to put me in that box, as 363 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: trying to make us like one unit. And like I 364 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: think I used to get it really annoyed with that. 365 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 2: And I hear about a lot of that, you know too, 366 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 2: from other kids who are in the same predicament, and 367 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 2: it weighs on them heavily mentally, because it's like, you know, 368 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: you you can't find yourself when you have to look 369 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 2: through your own look at your own life through the 370 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: lens of somebody else. And so yeah, definitely it was 371 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 2: definitely like I was brought up to believe that, but 372 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: I definitely ripped myself away from that and let him 373 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 2: do him and I'm doing me. 374 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: How did you feel when TMZ out at you back? 375 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: And I want to say, with like twenty thirteen And 376 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: because when you think about it right now, it's so 377 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: inappropriate because. 378 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,719 Speaker 2: It's very funny, you know, it's funny because it's like 379 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: it definitely, looked at now would be like highly inappropriate, 380 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: like you could never out someone like that, you know 381 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But to me at the time, it 382 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 2: was just like it just happened, like I don't know 383 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 2: like it was. It was one of those overnight success moments. 384 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: But like I was ready because I was living my life, 385 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: So it wasn't like I was hiding anything Like. It 386 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: wasn't scary in that in that instance to feel out 387 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: it in that way because I was living my life 388 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 2: to the fullest. Like I was like totally like out 389 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: in the sun, you know, doing what I do. So 390 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: like that wasn't you know, that wasn't like it didn't 391 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: like hit me to the left because of that. I mean, 392 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 2: obviously I would have liked to come into the public 393 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 2: in my own way. Would have been nice. But you know, 394 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: I don't even think about it. 395 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: That's good though, because I remember at the time, and 396 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: again this is back in twenty thirteen, which of course 397 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: seems like ages ago, but it was such a big deal. 398 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 2: And that's also what I thing I didn't understand. I 399 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 2: was like, why is this such a big deal? 400 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: It was so you well, but again I'm glad that 401 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: you have dissing yourself from that moment. But I remember 402 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: and again in twenty thirteen, Look, I believe I was 403 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: openly gay, Like I think I was act show according 404 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: to your mathew, then right, I'm like I think I was. 405 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: I was, but I remember being like, wow, this is 406 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: number one inappropriate. But I also remember it's. 407 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 2: Really interesting that you you picked up on that. I 408 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 2: feel like nobody, nobody did that until later, I think. 409 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of it for me is 410 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: being in the in the black community and just knowing 411 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: how dangerous at that time it was for us because 412 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: I grew up at a time where you know, being 413 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: outed it is dangerous because if you're not ready, you 414 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: can't deal with the ramification that comes along with it. 415 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: So I just remember, I remember looking at you. 416 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: Even the people who did it on their own accord 417 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 2: never went much further in their careers at that time, 418 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 2: especially those athletes, like they were like okay and then 419 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 2: wiped away like completely uly oh yeah yeah that basketball 420 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,719 Speaker 2: player and that football player. Yes, they were like, oh 421 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,239 Speaker 2: you think you're going to play after this? No, like 422 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: totally dismissed. Because I met I've met both of them 423 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: the very both of them were very nice, but it 424 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 2: was like they had that five minutes. But it's like, 425 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: you know, the the industries weren't going, didn't allow that 426 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: to continue. 427 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: No, especially back then. I mean, look, I think even 428 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: like now with those show Heated Rivalry. Have you seen it? 429 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: I saw the first episode. Yeah, it was a little 430 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 2: I mean like like softcore for me. Like I was like, okay, 431 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 2: I mean you know, I mean I think it's like 432 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: cute for the culture for sure. Like I think especially 433 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 2: like these the young kids, like they love things like that, 434 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 2: because I used to watch that that. I watched the 435 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: Heartbreaker series on Netflix, which was so cute, and I 436 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: was like, oh to oh and then like what was 437 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: the Victor did the one on Hulu? 438 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: Oh like love Victor, Love Victor? 439 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And I was like, oh, this would have 440 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 2: been great. Yeah I was when I was that age, 441 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 2: like to have that as a kid, a teenager or 442 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: like a young you know, a kid like would have 443 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 2: been so nice. But I only I had Oh my god, 444 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: Noah's Ark that came out when I was like twelve 445 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 2: or something, and I loved it. I loved every moment 446 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 2: of it. Was so pivotal. 447 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. 448 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. Yeah. Shout out to 449 00:22:58,800 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: Patrion Pulk. 450 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: Yes, I love him. 451 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: No, he and I are friends. And I said to 452 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: him too, and at this time, I want to say 453 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: him in my twenties and I just remember being like, 454 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: finally there's something. And that's why when I saw you 455 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen, I felt for you and I felt 456 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: how inappropriate TMZ was, but also said bitch work because 457 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: baby fashion, the labels what I was to wear and 458 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: the cop oh it was something in black, but you 459 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: know what it was you even then, I mean, you 460 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: have it now still and I love that it never dissipated. 461 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: You always does have this extreme confidence about yourself. And 462 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: I was always curious, like where did that come from? 463 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: Because again, for a lot of black gay men who 464 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: tried to be themselves, we don't have that confidence oftentimes. 465 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 1: But then for you, I'm like, he's in the spotlight 466 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: and you to me, you you owned it and you 467 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: and you grab that torch and you haven't like blown 468 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: out the fire. 469 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I I like I said, 470 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 2: I was, like I think I spent when I was 471 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: used to hang out with myself a lot. I'm just 472 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 2: saying like, I really, you know, really got to see 473 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 2: myself fully, which is such a powerful gift. And right now, 474 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: I mean like and even now it's like I see 475 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: myself like completely clear, you know, like they have that 476 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 2: saying where they say, you know, other people can see 477 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: you better than you can see yourself, but like when 478 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 2: you can see yourself better than everyone else can see you, 479 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 2: you win. And I rethink I always felt and I 480 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: always saw myself better and like in the in my 481 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: truest form kind of a little bit better than everyone else. 482 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 2: Now it's like completely better. The clarity is like through 483 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: the roof. But at that time, I was still you know, 484 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 2: quite young, but yeah, like I'm I mean I was 485 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 2: I enjoyed being fabulous, like when I was in college. 486 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 2: I was my college time, and like we dressed up 487 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 2: and we went to the club and we went to 488 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,239 Speaker 2: the you know, the most fabulous parties, and that's just like, 489 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 2: you know, who I was, Like that's just who I 490 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: who I always want, who I always loved to be, 491 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 2: you know, And like that was just very like you 492 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 2: know of that time, and I mean, you need the confidence. 493 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 2: Definitely needed the confidence to survive. You know, now you 494 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: can just have it, but at that time, it's like 495 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 2: you really needed it to like survive for sure, because otherwise, 496 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 2: like you know, everyone was just going to like walk 497 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: all over you, or you know, like make fun of 498 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: you or do whatever. And you know, I think it's 499 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 2: just really important to you know, to do that self work, 500 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: to find yourself, especially when you know you're not living 501 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 2: in a conventional way or the way like society says 502 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: that you should. 503 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: Is that when the E producers called you to do 504 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: Rich Kids of Beverly Hills around that time. 505 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: It was a little bit later. It was a little 506 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 2: bit later, but that happened really by chance. Like I 507 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 2: I actually that same night. I believe that was the 508 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 2: first night I met Dorothy, and that a couple months later, 509 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 2: I think like over the summer or something like she 510 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: was like, oh, we're having this pool party. Do you 511 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: want to come. I'm like, yeah, sure, and then she's like, yeah, 512 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: well we're filming a television show. And I'm like okay, 513 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 2: like cool. So like I went to her house and 514 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 2: they miked me, and you know, we just shot this 515 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 2: this pool party. Like I honestly, again, I wasn't thinking anything. 516 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 2: I didn't want to even remember what I was saying. Like, 517 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 2: you know, they were asking us to talk about our 518 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 2: you know, like our glamorous summer vacations. I think we 519 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: had us you know, they satisfied the pool and we 520 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 2: did one one scene where we were like all talking 521 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 2: about our summer vacations. But to be honest, like I 522 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: wasn't in you know, like the big the you know, 523 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: the bigger parts of the of the pilot. This was 524 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 2: a pilot of the scene, so like I really didn't think. 525 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 2: And then they called me a couple weeks later and 526 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 2: they were like, oh, do you want to like be 527 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: a series regular? And I'm like, well, wait a minute, 528 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 2: Like I I wasn't a part of this, Like I 529 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 2: just came as a guest and that's when and that's 530 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: how it happened. But it was kind of like, you know, 531 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: one of those just like random chance things. 532 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: Did you have aspirations to be in the spotlight? 533 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 2: I was exploring. I was exploring I had met with 534 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: a couple of like networks and stuff at the time, 535 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 2: so I was definitely exploring that because like I remember, 536 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 2: like when I used to watch like the Real Housewives, 537 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 2: Like I remember, like I think Beverly Hills performed while 538 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 2: I was like came out like while I was in college, 539 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 2: and I think my friend and I were watching it 540 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 2: and I was watching it and after it ended I 541 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 2: looked at him and I was like, bitch, I can 542 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 2: do that. And he was like what. I was like, 543 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 2: I can do that, Like I can do that better 544 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 2: than any of these bitches, Like I can fucking do it. 545 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 2: And he was like, oh okay, and I was like yeah. 546 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 2: And then literally like it just ended up happening. It 547 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 2: just manifested from myself. 548 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: You know. That's Kim Kardashian story. Oh she is it 549 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: not with Beverly Hills. But she watched the real world. 550 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: So mind you, it wasn't like a job or career, right, 551 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: but she watched the real world that she saw her 552 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: friend like I'm gonna be that, and her friend's like 553 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: what is that? She said, whatever they're doing being regular 554 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 1: O TV and famous, I'm gonna do that. And we 555 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: see where she's at now. So you watching the Real 556 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: Housewives of Beverley Hills, I'm assimilarly sa Vanda pump Is. 557 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 2: She no, no, she was there. So this was the 558 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 2: very first this was the very first season. Yeah, but 559 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: her her, she and Adrian Mloof were her neighbors in 560 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 2: Beverly Hills. So like I I was like, I wanted 561 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: to watch because I knew that, you know, the neighborhood 562 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: was going to be on it was that your neighborhood too. Yeah, 563 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: I grew up in the same My parents live there, 564 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 2: like in the same neighborhood in Beverly Hills that they 565 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: they both they don't live there anymore, but at the 566 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: time they did. Yeah, her and and Kyle and all 567 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: those and all those people were hilarious. But yeah, like 568 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: I literally did that. I remember, I remember Vivili we 569 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 2: were sitting there and it ended and I literally was like, 570 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 2: I can do that. Shit happened. 571 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: I love the manifestation of all that story. I know. 572 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: So when you did Rich Kids of Beverly Hills, did 573 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: you feel like, Okay, this is my time to like 574 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: show the world who I am and you know, for 575 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: me to venture off into like my new pound profession. 576 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 2: Truthfully, I really did not overthink it at that time. 577 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: It kind of just was like it was here. I 578 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to take the advantage of it. 579 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to because you have to remember, this was 580 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: way before this was way before the brand deals and 581 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: you know, all the products and like, this was way 582 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: before any of the bitches were doing any of that. 583 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: So like it wasn't as strategic because you were just 584 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 2: kind of seeing like, well, what you know, and even 585 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 2: like my managers and and you know agents, at the time, 586 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 2: it was very much like whatever sticks works, whatever box 587 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: they put you in, that's who you're going to be. 588 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 2: Like that's you know, like it was very up to 589 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: the industry. This was not like, oh, I'm going in 590 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 2: here with the game plans. This is who I am, 591 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 2: this is what I want to do. Da da da da. No, 592 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 2: that's now that's how you know, you play the game now. 593 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 2: But then it was all about whatever you could, whatever 594 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 2: you throw out the wall, and whatever sticks, that's how 595 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: it works. But like I came in and they were like, okay, well, 596 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: you know, you're the peacemaker, like you know, you're the 597 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: mother hen You're the one who's gonna get all the 598 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 2: bitches together when they're all fighting and doing all these 599 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 2: crazy things. And I was like, okay, yeah, it's like 600 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: I guess that's you know, that's what I'm doing. How 601 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: old were you at the time the first season? I 602 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 2: think I was twenty. Wow, I think I was twenty 603 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,239 Speaker 2: and I think I turned twenty one that summer if 604 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, cause I think it came. Yeah, I 605 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 2: think it kids. It came out the following fall, I 606 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 2: think or somewhere in there. To be twenty years old 607 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 2: on this show, Yeah, to be twenty years old on 608 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 2: the show was like crazy, but it was fun. It 609 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 2: was fun at the time. It was it was fun, 610 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 2: you know, and we just I think we made it 611 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 2: look you know, fun and glamorous, and it was just 612 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: new because like they had all the networks had been 613 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: desperate to find like the kid version of the Real Housewives, 614 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: like the young version, and we were that. And then 615 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 2: also they were trying to capitalize on Instagram because Instagram, 616 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 2: you know, all the rich kids of all that Instagram, 617 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 2: you know, they wanted to turn that into something because 618 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: that Instagram was like huge at the time. And so 619 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 2: it was like both kind of those things that came together. 620 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 2: It was like one of you know, just one of 621 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 2: those like full circle moments. And I just happened to 622 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 2: be in the mix. But yeah, I was cue. It 623 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 2: was cue well Acaid. 624 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: And then you had to spin off EJ and the City. 625 00:31:52,880 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: Were you at that time excited about the possibility being 626 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: like a bitch has his own show. 627 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 2: I think it was important. I think it was important. Definitely. 628 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 2: We were definitely ahead of our time, way ahead of 629 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 2: our time. 630 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: Like, well, I knew that watching it. 631 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 2: We like, it didn't hit me until I rewatched it, 632 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: like maybe a year or two ago, and I was like, girl, 633 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 2: of course, like, you know, this couldn't have continued because 634 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: you were talking about things that we were talking about 635 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 2: being gender fluid and non vinary before that was even 636 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 2: like a term. Like I was like, oh, but you 637 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 2: hit on that because I was the one who wanted 638 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 2: to poop push that. You know, that episode we did 639 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 2: where I went to see the gender therapist and we 640 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 2: discussed it. I was like, because, like, I feel like 641 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 2: this is an important thing to discuss, Like I'm not 642 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,719 Speaker 2: just gonna I'm not just here to run around in 643 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 2: fabulous outfits, even though the outfits were amazing, especially for 644 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 2: like twenty three year old Oh my god, shut down. 645 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 2: But anyway, but I was like, it's important that we 646 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 2: talk about this because I because like I'm also trying 647 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 2: to figure it out. And I was like, that's the truth. Yeah, 648 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 2: you know, that was actually my truth. I love that 649 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 2: part of it because like that was actually, out of 650 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 2: all of it, I think was like the most truthful 651 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: part was actually like mirrored my reality because I really 652 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 2: was trying to figure myself out, and like that scene 653 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 2: reflected it. 654 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: Do you are there pronouns that you go by today 655 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: or how do you identify your sexuality? 656 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 2: I just say call me EJ as much as possible, 657 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 2: you know, it's like pronouns. I really don't. I don't 658 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 2: really like hey, but like I don't. I've also trained 659 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 2: myself not to get upset when other people use it, 660 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 2: which I think is very important because you're giving your 661 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 2: power away when you lose it. You know, you give 662 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 2: your words too much, too much of personal power. You know, 663 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 2: they is fine, you know whatever, she is cool, Like 664 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 2: I'm really not a stickler about it. I think for me, 665 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 2: it was really just going through on the journey to 666 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 2: make sure that I wasn't like spinning out of control, 667 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 2: like when I'm being misgendered when especially a lot of 668 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 2: the times people don't do it with an ill intention. 669 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 2: Some people do, but and I feel like, and I 670 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: feel like, you know, there's a tone, Yes, there's a tone. 671 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 2: And they keep they'll keep repeating it. They'll keep saying 672 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 2: man or bro too many times, and I'm like, I'm 673 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 2: not your bro. Like you know, but it's usually just 674 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 2: somebody you'll never go to see again, so who cares. 675 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, like I said, I was like always a 676 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 2: deeply feminine being, and like, you know, that's really all 677 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 2: that matters to me. You know. It's like I'm extremely 678 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 2: happy in this body. Like I love my skin, I 679 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 2: love every I love waking up and being me every day. 680 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 2: Like it's a beautiful thing, like to walk into the 681 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 2: bathroom and see yourself in the mirror and you're just 682 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 2: like that bitch, like yes, like it's that for me 683 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 2: right now, and so like you know, I'm just living it, 684 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: you know, I'm just loving it. 685 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,439 Speaker 1: One of the biggest story lies on your spin off 686 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: was you know, you and your sister liking the same guy. 687 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 2: I honestly that is ultimately what got the pick the 688 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 2: show picked up. But also you know, in terms of 689 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 2: the gender and sexualities and stuff like that, it was 690 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 2: very important because that happens. You know, you can I 691 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 2: don't attract gay men, and I'm not and I'm not 692 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 2: attracted to gay men. Like it's just not a thing. 693 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: Tell me more about that, you know. 694 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 2: It's just I think, like if you ask any of 695 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,959 Speaker 2: the girls, like they'll tell you, they'll tell you the same, 696 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 2: and I think they're just labels, you know. That's what Like, 697 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 2: I don't care what you know, Like i'm dating someone, 698 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't care what you identify as or 699 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 2: what you call yourself as long as you're happy being 700 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 2: who you are. But no, to be honest, it's like 701 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 2: that's why I don't really go to I don't go 702 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 2: to gay clubs. I don't go to you know, gay things, 703 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 2: because it's like the men that I attract are not there. 704 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 2: And also like they're like, you know, they kind of 705 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,280 Speaker 2: like wave you off. You're just like oh that you know, hey, girl, 706 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 2: Like you know, it's not you're not in in here, 707 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 2: in here like the rest of us are. You know. 708 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 2: It's just it's always but it's I never really understood 709 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 2: it until now because before when I would go and 710 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,399 Speaker 2: I would I just was like, there's something about this room. 711 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 2: It's like it's almost like they don't want me here, 712 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 2: Like I'm not really in it here because I'm not 713 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 2: presenting as a man. I'm not presenting in a in 714 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 2: in that way. 715 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: And to be clear, the gay community room, yeah to 716 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 1: your own community, yeah yeah, yeah. 717 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 2: But it's not like a shameful thing or just like 718 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 2: oh they're mean to me, but it's like these are 719 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 2: not my men in terms of attraction. Now, I'm just 720 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 2: going to have a key key sure, but like these 721 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 2: are not the men that are that are interested in 722 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 2: me in that capacity. I do that when I go 723 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 2: to the straight rooms. 724 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: So so has it always been that way for you 725 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: in terms of when it comes to men, has always 726 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: been what some people consider the straight guy always being 727 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,280 Speaker 1: the one that would approach you. 728 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 2: Or somebody who yeah, or has been intimate and dating 729 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 2: you know, women for most of their life or like 730 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 2: up until then. For sure, absolutely it has always been 731 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 2: that way. But now it's like even more so now 732 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 2: that I definitely present in more of a feminine way 733 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 2: because also like it's like my energy. 734 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: Is that have your new found not new found that's 735 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: promos to use? Has your sort of like I like 736 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: to call it a rebirth because I feel like even 737 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: talking to you now, you're like, like you said earlier, 738 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: look I know who I am. I love why I 739 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,720 Speaker 1: see in the mirror. I am shedding all of whatever 740 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: I was there back then. Who I am now? Has 741 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: that cultivated a stronger relationship with your parents or has 742 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: it been challenging for you there too, just being you 743 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 1: know how you are now. 744 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 2: No, definitely, we're not challenging. I think everything honestly in 745 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 2: this in this era of my life, has become so 746 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 2: much easier. But even I told them on my birthday 747 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 2: in June that I was like, we're not doing he 748 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 2: We're not doing man, We're not doing gay like and 749 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 2: it was very freeing. And also it just was you know, 750 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 2: it just was like I wasn't like I'm not you know, 751 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 2: and it's very important I think too when you're and 752 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 2: I hate the word, I hate the term coming coming out, 753 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 2: but I think when you're telling people about who you are, 754 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 2: you are telling them I'm not looking for acceptance. I'm 755 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 2: not looking for your validation. I am telling you what's 756 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 2: going down. And and yeah, we had that conversation and 757 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 2: it was, you know, it was very easy because I 758 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 2: just like I just told them, you know, flat out, 759 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 2: like I was like, this is you know who I am, 760 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 2: and this is how we're going moving and grooving and 761 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 2: going forward. And you know, even like son, I was like, 762 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,720 Speaker 2: you know the world tried to give me that label, 763 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 2: like Magicalhon's the sun. And I was like, well, he's dead, 764 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 2: and now there is mis thing like we're not doing 765 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 2: that either, So you know it was it was you know, 766 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 2: it wasn't like a big conversation. But I think what 767 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 2: I loved about it was it was so easy, you know, 768 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 2: because we just said it and they were like, oh, okay, 769 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 2: you know, we'll do our best too. To understand that. 770 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: I'm baming right now. Yeah, I bet you could sell 771 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: it because I I'm so proud of you. Not that 772 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: you need me to say that, but I just I 773 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: feel like you're freeing a lot of gay or however 774 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: they because I agree with you is however you identify yourself. 775 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: But I wish growing up I had someone like you. 776 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 2: I think we always, you know, at least we aly 777 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 2: wish somebody was there, you know who it is, you know, 778 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 2: like somebody say something, because like especially between our years, 779 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 2: like we didn't have anybody. 780 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: No. And that's why this conversation to me is so 781 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: important because people can watch this and say, finally someone's 782 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: saying something how I feel because I got little, like, 783 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: you know, the hairs rose up on my skin when 784 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 1: you said I don't want to say, coming out anymore, 785 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: like this is who I am and I don't even 786 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: need your. 787 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 2: Acceptance, Like I think it's important. It's important part of 788 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,760 Speaker 2: the discussion that no one I don't think it's talking about. 789 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 2: But like I said, you have to if you're gonna 790 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 2: do something, do it for yourself number one. And number two, 791 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 2: when you go out, like I think that's when everyone 792 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 2: gets hurt. You know. It's like everyone you know has 793 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 2: those traumatic experience because they're hoping, they're they're searching for 794 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 2: the validation and searching for the acceptance and like sometimes 795 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 2: it doesn't come. And that's also okay. Like if you 796 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 2: need to be like leave your home or leave your family, 797 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 2: like whenever it is safe for you to do so go, 798 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 2: you know. It's like and also too, it's like that 799 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 2: the term the ide you know, the idealize family, like 800 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 2: it doesn't exist. It is what you make of it. 801 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,280 Speaker 2: Like you don't have to stay if everyone's treating you poorly, 802 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 2: you know, you don't have to be involved. If you're 803 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 2: not getting what you need, you don't have to do anything, 804 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 2: you know, honestly, and and yeah, you know, and I 805 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 2: think like the image of you know, my family was 806 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 2: nice and healing for the world. But it wasn't like 807 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 2: I didn't struggle, you know, there wasn't difficulties to get there, 808 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 2: you know, in terms of getting to that point. And 809 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 2: I think that also too, It's like you can't just 810 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 2: like wipe away, you know, just like understand that, like 811 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 2: you know, sometimes they're there and then sometimes they're not. 812 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,720 Speaker 2: And that doesn't make you It doesn't make your story 813 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 2: any less, you know powerful if you weren't given it, 814 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 2: you know, if those you know people aren't gonna stand 815 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 2: behind you, stand behind you and give you that love 816 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 2: that you need, didn't go find some other people who will. 817 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always wanted to ask you this because obviously, 818 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: like I said, you're the offspring of a legend that 819 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: is in a that wasn't a sport that is heavily 820 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: male dominated obviously, and just like you know, the locker 821 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: room talk and yes, hyper masculine, and I just remember 822 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, when you when you emerged, and all of 823 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: the talks about like, you know, oh my god, Magic 824 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 1: Johnson's son. Instead of playing a basketball, he's wearing a 825 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: dress and all those things, and a lot of it 826 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 1: obviously was from the black community. When it comes to 827 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: the black community, especially the gay black community. Did you 828 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: feel like they accepted you? 829 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 2: Well, again, I wasn't really looking like there was just 830 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 2: so much you know that happened at that time that 831 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,319 Speaker 2: I wasn't like looking like I don't care about to 832 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 2: be accepted in a community or to be a part 833 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 2: of a community. You know. I think that I just 834 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,440 Speaker 2: wasn't in it. Like I wasn't a part, you know, 835 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 2: when I was living my life, you know, growing up. 836 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 2: It's just like I was, you know, I had school, 837 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 2: and I had all these places, and I had my friends. 838 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 2: It's like I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. 839 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 2: You know, these communities or these people are mad, Like 840 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 2: I'm like let them be mad, but like, you know, 841 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 2: like I don't care. You know, It's just like I 842 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 2: really I really could care less. That's all I have 843 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 2: to say. You know. It's like even when people were like, oh, 844 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 2: you know, I think somebody asked me like, oh, well, 845 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 2: what did your church think about? Like, well, number one, 846 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 2: I don't had I never had a church, Like my 847 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 2: parents went to church for like, I didn't go because 848 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 2: I wanted to go. I wasn't a part of that community. 849 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,399 Speaker 2: I was there because I was made to be there, 850 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 2: like you know, it is what it is, but it 851 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 2: really doesn't matter, like who cares, Like if your community 852 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 2: is mad, and then let them be mad. But I've 853 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 2: always thought that was just stupid that they thought that, 854 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 2: like you know, I was supposed to be playing basketball 855 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 2: or something like first of all, like do you know 856 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 2: how difficult it is to become an NBA player like 857 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,439 Speaker 2: number one? It's like it's a very hard process and 858 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,399 Speaker 2: like if I wanted to do that, then I would 859 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 2: have done it. But like I like, why are we 860 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 2: even having this discussion? It's just so ignorant, you know. 861 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,399 Speaker 2: I'm like, it's just it's so you have to put 862 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,799 Speaker 2: in a lot of work to do all of that. 863 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 2: Like I'm sure Lebron James's son. I mean, like you know, 864 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 2: he's been playing this entire life, like and now he's 865 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 2: he's playing, you know, he's in the NBA. But I'm 866 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 2: like that's something you would decide very early on in life, 867 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 2: and like why are we talking about you know, that 868 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 2: is nothing nothing to do to do with me or 869 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 2: even like you know, I've always you know, you know, 870 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 2: oh bla, well, black men need to be this and 871 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 2: need to be you know, you know, macho and need 872 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 2: to be this, and it was okay, well, what does 873 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 2: anyone's femininity have to do with that? Who's stopping you 874 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 2: from being this macho black man? Me or you? Because 875 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 2: you know you're snapping your fingers in the air. What 876 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 2: is stopping you, sir, from continuing. 877 00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:58,879 Speaker 1: To be you? 878 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 2: What does you and me have to do with each other? Nothing? 879 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. And I always, I always 880 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 2: would laugh if somebody if I saw that. I mean, 881 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,839 Speaker 2: I don't read any comments or articles, but like at 882 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 2: that time, when like people were bringing it to my attention, 883 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 2: I was like, well, what a stupid thing to say, 884 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,920 Speaker 2: because I'm like, I'm not hindering you from going on 885 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 2: and being some toxic masculine black man, like I don't 886 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,839 Speaker 2: even know you and what And it doesn't say anything 887 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,800 Speaker 2: about what it means to be a black man in America, 888 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,839 Speaker 2: has nothing to do with it. I don't even think. 889 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,919 Speaker 2: I don't I'm not a man, so like I don't 890 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 2: even feel like a man. So I'm like, why, what, 891 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 2: what's stopping you from going on and doing exactly what 892 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,680 Speaker 2: it is that you think you should be doing? Nothing? 893 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 2: Nothing at all, preach. 894 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:52,880 Speaker 1: An preach when what were your thoughts when you saw 895 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 1: what de Way Wades now daughter was going through, you know, 896 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:06,920 Speaker 1: transitioning into becoming the woman that she is now. Was 897 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: this something that you could relate to? Did you reach out? 898 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: Did you have a conversation. 899 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 2: Oh, we've met I think twice, not in any kind 900 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 2: of like real like intimate setting, but just like you know, 901 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,400 Speaker 2: at some fashion events, I believe, and I've met obviously 902 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 2: Dwayne and we and I think we spoke on Instagram 903 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,799 Speaker 2: and we're just like, you know, if you if she 904 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 2: needs anything, like you know, you can definitely let me know. 905 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,839 Speaker 2: And we she went to she went to my high 906 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,799 Speaker 2: school as well, so yeah, we have some similarities. But 907 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 2: I mean it was just one of those things where 908 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 2: it's like, you know, more power to you. You know, 909 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,360 Speaker 2: you got to do what you got to do. 910 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 1: You know. 911 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 2: It's it's one of those things where it's like it's 912 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 2: nothing really I can say or do you know, because 913 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 2: like that's your journey. 914 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 915 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 2: And they also said some horrible and stupid things about her, 916 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 2: you know, and the same thing they were so horrible 917 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 2: stupid things they were saying about me. So it's like 918 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 2: here we are again. But it's like, you know, it's 919 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:06,839 Speaker 2: like that's what he's Even when you narrow it down, 920 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,000 Speaker 2: it's like, I'm not going up against anything that I 921 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,759 Speaker 2: actually really need to be concerned about, because these are 922 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 2: all everybody else's fears and everybody else's you know, concerned 923 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 2: and everybody else's viewpoints of the world that are being 924 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 2: challenged by somebody living their truth or living their life 925 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 2: the way they want to live it. Like it's just absurd. 926 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 2: It's just absurd. But I'm happy that she's happy. And 927 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure what she's doing with her 928 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,279 Speaker 2: life at this point, but you know, I wish are 929 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 2: the best. 930 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, are you dating now? 931 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 2: I am outside, it's totally outside. I had to get 932 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,799 Speaker 2: a little more serious though, I think in this new 933 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,680 Speaker 2: year for sure. I think before I was kind of 934 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,840 Speaker 2: just like enjoying myself and kind of just like dating 935 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 2: to date. But now I'm being much more strategic about it. 936 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,759 Speaker 2: And it's like, if we're not actually going to enter 937 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,520 Speaker 2: into a relationship, then, you know, and I think that's 938 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 2: where you have to put the boundaries up with the 939 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 2: so called straight eyes, because they will they'll just try 940 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,880 Speaker 2: to like put you off to the side or like 941 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,200 Speaker 2: keep you in the dark, and like I'm not living 942 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:21,280 Speaker 2: in the shadows anymore. 943 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,840 Speaker 1: Have you ever dated somebody that was d L Sure? 944 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:25,920 Speaker 1: For sure. 945 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 2: I think at the time it's just like you you 946 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 2: just are like, oh, well, you know, I'm just trying 947 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,880 Speaker 2: to be respectful, but really you're not doing yourself any respect. 948 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 1: Were they married? 949 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,719 Speaker 2: No, I've never dated a married man or anybody in 950 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 2: a relationship. It's just like they just weren't ready to 951 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 2: come to terms with whatever they were doing. But that's 952 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 2: what I was saying. I don't need you to come 953 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 2: out or anything, but it's like I'm not gonna be hidden. 954 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 2: So there's that, you know, and just having that that 955 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,799 Speaker 2: self respect and just yeah, knowing that, but it's made 956 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,840 Speaker 2: everything a lot easier, for sure. 957 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,239 Speaker 1: Have you ever been in love? 958 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,400 Speaker 2: I think like probably at the time I thought so, 959 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,880 Speaker 2: but not like now that I'm actually like emotionally available 960 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 2: and actually can fall very hard in love if given 961 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 2: the opportunity, not in the way that I want to. 962 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 2: I haven't experience in the way that I want to, 963 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,720 Speaker 2: So like that's definitely something I've put into the energy 964 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,239 Speaker 2: for this year for sure, because I'm ready. I wasn't 965 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,440 Speaker 2: ready before, you know, And I think that that was 966 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,000 Speaker 2: just kind of like the maturity of it and just 967 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,120 Speaker 2: like looking out self instead of saying like, well, why 968 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,360 Speaker 2: hasn't this happened to me? But it's like you weren't ready, 969 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,360 Speaker 2: you know, you weren't ready at all. Do you have 970 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:43,879 Speaker 2: a type? I don't really like. I don't really have 971 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,319 Speaker 2: like a strict type. I will say, like, I know, 972 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,759 Speaker 2: I'm I'm tall, but like I do like the I 973 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 2: do like being with a tall man. Yeah that I do. 974 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,960 Speaker 2: I like the sensation of that. But I'm also like 975 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,640 Speaker 2: very like intellect surely inclined, Like I love a man 976 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:08,360 Speaker 2: who can hold his hold himself and like speak well 977 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,479 Speaker 2: and like is entertaining and it's like, you know, really 978 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,920 Speaker 2: highly intelligent, Like I'm a conversationalist like that, so like 979 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,800 Speaker 2: that kind of like hmm, you know, especially and also 980 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,399 Speaker 2: like a man with like a presence, like I love 981 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 2: a powerful presence, like when you're like, oh he hasn't 982 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,319 Speaker 2: like that, like I like that. 983 00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 1: Have you ever did like a celebrity. 984 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,879 Speaker 2: I've never dated a celebrity. I don't think i've well, 985 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:42,239 Speaker 2: I may have like hooked up with one or two 986 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:51,719 Speaker 2: in the Shadows rappers. Hmm, I can't tell you all 987 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,040 Speaker 2: the tea. 988 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 1: I don't maybe I know. 989 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 2: I know, M I don't think there was a I 990 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,120 Speaker 2: don't think there was a rapper might have been h 991 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:09,759 Speaker 2: because let's that. 992 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:16,680 Speaker 1: No, because look, you maybe the places I go, you 993 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,920 Speaker 1: ain't there heady because you are at the like. 994 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,000 Speaker 2: Well, there's the thing about you know, like two was 995 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,880 Speaker 2: having celebrity crushes, Like you can't do that because I 996 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,440 Speaker 2: actually do meet these people, so like you know, and 997 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,479 Speaker 2: I've done that before, but like, oh he is so fine, 998 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,440 Speaker 2: and then I meet him, I'm like, oh, like, oh no, 999 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,520 Speaker 2: like you are you know, very insecure, or you're very this, 1000 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 2: or you're very that. So it's like I don't, I don't. 1001 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,080 Speaker 2: I don't crush or glamorize anybody anymore because it's like 1002 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,160 Speaker 2: I always end up, you know, just being like okay, now, 1003 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:51,359 Speaker 2: I'm just like I'll just meet the person when it happens, okay, yeah. 1004 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,840 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's it's different 1005 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,440 Speaker 2: when you are, you know, coming into contact with the 1006 00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,600 Speaker 2: people all the time. 1007 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,239 Speaker 1: And the thing about you you have a presence. 1008 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,040 Speaker 2: I love having a presence, but I like a man 1009 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,200 Speaker 2: with a presence as well, like I like like I 1010 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,480 Speaker 2: like feeling somebody is like powerful masculine energy, like it's 1011 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:20,280 Speaker 2: it's it's very intoxicating. But I do have a powerful 1012 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,920 Speaker 2: presence which intimidates a lot of men, which is great, 1013 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,799 Speaker 2: but because you know, it keeps the ones at bay. 1014 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,240 Speaker 2: But that's why I can't. I can't do the apps 1015 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:32,880 Speaker 2: because I can't gauge your energy through the phone. You know, 1016 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,680 Speaker 2: That's why I I. You know, I tried, but it's 1017 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,799 Speaker 2: like I felt like they were so so insecure and 1018 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,480 Speaker 2: just like it just like was not the vibe. But 1019 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,680 Speaker 2: it's very important that I, like I can gauge someone's 1020 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,719 Speaker 2: energy when I meet them in person, because presence is 1021 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,280 Speaker 2: important well. 1022 00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:54,680 Speaker 1: And you have tons of it. 1023 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's true, you really do. 1024 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,960 Speaker 1: I know you in a room, I know you be. 1025 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: I can already tell the moment, y'all. Like eyes is 1026 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,440 Speaker 1: ova because you have small you have a very small 1027 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,400 Speaker 1: dering like look and the eye and I know you 1028 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:13,880 Speaker 1: can eye fuck like a motherfucker. 1029 00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,560 Speaker 2: I they I think they do that to me first 1030 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,400 Speaker 2: and then I might like glance back, but like I 1031 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,239 Speaker 2: always that's all I always know when some man is 1032 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,560 Speaker 2: because I always catch him staring and then you know, 1033 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 2: he like you know, goes back. But like I always 1034 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,799 Speaker 2: catch them staring like it's like because you know, they're 1035 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,920 Speaker 2: just like and then I'm like looking over and then 1036 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,879 Speaker 2: they're like, oh, you know, then they go back back. 1037 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 2: Like I always catch them when they're staring. I always 1038 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,080 Speaker 2: know because they like literally freeze. It's like Medusa, like 1039 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,200 Speaker 2: they just like turn to stone and I'm like, Okay, 1040 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,120 Speaker 2: well let's see if he makes his way over here. 1041 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,360 Speaker 2: Do they have to or or it's very it's I 1042 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,080 Speaker 2: need you to make an effort because it's like every 1043 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,080 Speaker 2: time I feel like when I go over and I'm like, 1044 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,239 Speaker 2: you know, because I've played the game where I like 1045 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,760 Speaker 2: find something stupid to compliment them about, even though like 1046 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,120 Speaker 2: like oh, I like your jacket even though they're at 1047 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,600 Speaker 2: jacket is ugly, and I'm you know, you know, and 1048 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,080 Speaker 2: then it's like I feel like I get over there 1049 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,759 Speaker 2: and I'm and then it's like he's and I'm like, 1050 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,920 Speaker 2: I don't have time for this. I don't want to 1051 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,200 Speaker 2: do all the work. I'm not going to do all 1052 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,000 Speaker 2: the work. I'm not even gonna say I don't want 1053 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:18,600 Speaker 2: to because I'm not. 1054 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:25,680 Speaker 3: I'm not going to do it, Okay, So tall, masculine, available, yes, 1055 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,359 Speaker 3: very available, Yeah, confident, confident, and I need you. 1056 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,600 Speaker 2: To like like yourself, to love yourself. People are so 1057 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:32,880 Speaker 2: mean to themselves these days. 1058 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,799 Speaker 1: I'm not because of social media, but wants to sort 1059 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,440 Speaker 1: of like compare yourselves to people. Yeah, it's unfortunately. 1060 00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:39,920 Speaker 2: I met some guys who are just like so mean 1061 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:40,440 Speaker 2: to themselves. 1062 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,800 Speaker 1: I'm like Jesus, like, now you are EJ fucking Johnson. 1063 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,280 Speaker 1: So do they have to have a coin? 1064 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,480 Speaker 2: Well, I have to be. I need to be taken 1065 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:54,280 Speaker 2: care of obviously. I mean if if I go buddy, 1066 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,400 Speaker 2: if I could, well, I'm not taking care of anyone, 1067 00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,200 Speaker 2: Like I'm not a sugar mama. No, But I don't 1068 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,840 Speaker 2: that the girls, you don't, you know, you don't marry 1069 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,399 Speaker 2: to take care of him like he's marrying to take 1070 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,360 Speaker 2: care of you. I mean, it just depends on what 1071 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,640 Speaker 2: you want. But he's not marrying into my system. We're 1072 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:17,799 Speaker 2: getting married and starting our own system. It's different. But 1073 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,560 Speaker 2: I you know, I just clear about that. But like 1074 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,000 Speaker 2: you know, I I don't want to be like just 1075 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,520 Speaker 2: only thinking about money, but like it is something that 1076 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:31,439 Speaker 2: you know, I guess a lot of people spend time 1077 00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:37,239 Speaker 2: like obsessing over but honestly, again, it's not like I'm 1078 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,200 Speaker 2: looking for that. But again it's like, like you said before, 1079 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:47,680 Speaker 2: these are the rooms I'm in, So everyone's either into 1080 00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,399 Speaker 2: a coin or made their coin. The coins are there, 1081 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,200 Speaker 2: the rooms are made of coins, So it's like I 1082 00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,880 Speaker 2: don't have to like go out of my way to 1083 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,240 Speaker 2: find financially substantial man. That's all I am saying. 1084 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,120 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this? Like you touched on 1085 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:09,240 Speaker 1: it a bit earlier, the whole like NEPO baby and listen, 1086 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:14,280 Speaker 1: And I've said this publicly, there's nothing more than I 1087 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,080 Speaker 1: love seeing rich black kids because I feel like, because 1088 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,880 Speaker 1: I feel like good good because you don't see it 1089 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,600 Speaker 1: often and when you see it, and I feel like 1090 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:29,800 Speaker 1: it should be celebrated more. I love rich black kids 1091 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:34,160 Speaker 1: because I'm like, good, your parents work their asses off, 1092 00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,600 Speaker 1: you have a good life, and take that shit and 1093 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,960 Speaker 1: continue to build the generation of wealth. But obviously there's 1094 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:47,439 Speaker 1: another side globally where people do feel like you didn't 1095 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,840 Speaker 1: earn this, and you know, listen, let's call up about 1096 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,480 Speaker 1: a lot are jealous and a lot of them just 1097 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:54,880 Speaker 1: feel like it's easy for you. 1098 00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:55,200 Speaker 2: Guys. 1099 00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:56,399 Speaker 1: What are your whole thoughts on that. 1100 00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,799 Speaker 2: Well, like I said, it's not easy, you know. It's like, 1101 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,319 Speaker 2: you know, it's not easy because I'm just like either 1102 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,239 Speaker 2: either way, like I was saying about the shadow, it's 1103 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,920 Speaker 2: like the same the same complaint or the same difficulties arrive. 1104 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,200 Speaker 2: Even if your parents are not even famous, they're just 1105 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,439 Speaker 2: very wealthy, like you still have a shadow to work under, 1106 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,040 Speaker 2: and like I didn't even realize that, but like I 1107 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,200 Speaker 2: was talking to a guy whose dad is you know, 1108 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,600 Speaker 2: their older money, but like also his dad was like, 1109 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,960 Speaker 2: you know, very well known producer, and he was like, 1110 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,160 Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate when everyone is like, ohh 1111 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:29,640 Speaker 2: like I worked with your dad and he was great, 1112 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,120 Speaker 2: or I did this with your dad and he was wonderful. 1113 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,160 Speaker 2: He's like, I hated. I can't stand it. And I 1114 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,000 Speaker 2: was like, well, why it does it bother you so much? 1115 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,640 Speaker 2: And he's like, because like I have my own things 1116 00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,320 Speaker 2: going on and nobody wants to talk about that. We're 1117 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,960 Speaker 2: just talking about this, We're just talking about him. And 1118 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,560 Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I used to feel that way 1119 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,160 Speaker 2: until I, you know, had to get I put myself 1120 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,320 Speaker 2: first in my own life, and then it didn't matter 1121 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,960 Speaker 2: what anyone's saying to me on the street, you know, 1122 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,600 Speaker 2: but I mean, yeah, it's I mean, like it's listen. 1123 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,080 Speaker 2: It's one of those things where it's like a double 1124 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,760 Speaker 2: edged sword, like you can't you can't win. You can't 1125 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,480 Speaker 2: win because on one hand, you get the people who 1126 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,480 Speaker 2: are like, oh my god, that's great you have you know, 1127 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:07,880 Speaker 2: you have all this money and you have a leg 1128 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,800 Speaker 2: up or you you know, you know, you can do 1129 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:10,560 Speaker 2: whatever you want. 1130 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:11,640 Speaker 1: But like. 1131 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,440 Speaker 2: Then you have the people who are like, you know, 1132 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,320 Speaker 2: but you didn't work well, you didn't, especially like you know, 1133 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,640 Speaker 2: the actors, like those kids who come from you know, 1134 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,120 Speaker 2: who have huge parents, are huge actors. Like they can't 1135 00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,439 Speaker 2: get it, they can't catch a break because on one side, 1136 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,240 Speaker 2: everyone's loving it. On the other side, we're like, oh, well, 1137 00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,959 Speaker 2: you're taking roles away from people who've worked many many 1138 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,240 Speaker 2: years to you know, be an actor, and now you're 1139 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,360 Speaker 2: just getting coasting on, you know, riding it on some coattail. 1140 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,200 Speaker 2: But it's like that's something I can't control. I never control. 1141 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,120 Speaker 2: I can't control who my parents are, Like I didn't 1142 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,600 Speaker 2: control who my dad was, Like I just was born 1143 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,480 Speaker 2: and that was it, you know. So it's like it's 1144 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,720 Speaker 2: all you can. You get it from both ends. But 1145 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,920 Speaker 2: like I just don't even I don't really think about it. 1146 00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:56,520 Speaker 2: I don't really think about it. But I you know, 1147 00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,520 Speaker 2: for myself, even as I'm like acting as definitely on 1148 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,200 Speaker 2: my it's on the top of my list for this 1149 00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,840 Speaker 2: year to do to get into way more of But 1150 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,400 Speaker 2: like in my time off, I've been in acting classes 1151 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,800 Speaker 2: and I literally I told myself, I was like, you're 1152 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,360 Speaker 2: going to need to like really train because they will 1153 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,720 Speaker 2: say that about you. Yeah, they will be like, oh, 1154 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,840 Speaker 2: you're only here because and there were kids in my 1155 00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,680 Speaker 2: acting classes that that, well, you don't really need to 1156 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,000 Speaker 2: be here, you don't really have to do that. 1157 00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,360 Speaker 1: They will say that today they know yeah. 1158 00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,720 Speaker 2: No, I mean like in my acting class when I 1159 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,360 Speaker 2: was yeah, yeah, they were like, oh, girl, you don't 1160 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,440 Speaker 2: have to be here because like you know, you'll get 1161 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,680 Speaker 2: booked regardless, you'll do you know, you already have it made. 1162 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,360 Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, but like number one being booked. 1163 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,320 Speaker 2: To just get a booked is not my goal. Like 1164 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,360 Speaker 2: I want to be great and that's why I'm here. 1165 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,280 Speaker 2: But I but also because like I want to do 1166 00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,320 Speaker 2: the work, you know. It's like I want to be 1167 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:45,720 Speaker 2: the best I can be. This has nothing to do 1168 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,440 Speaker 2: with just writing a coattail. If I knew, if I 1169 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,040 Speaker 2: really believe that, then I wouldn't be here, you know. 1170 00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,000 Speaker 2: I would have just been calling all our connections and 1171 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,840 Speaker 2: agents and all of our friends who you know, our 1172 00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,120 Speaker 2: family friends who are producers, are in the industry, like 1173 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,800 Speaker 2: you know. But I didn't do that, you know. So 1174 01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,880 Speaker 2: it's like it's just one of those things that like 1175 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,440 Speaker 2: you you you know, you can use however you want 1176 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,600 Speaker 2: to use it if you you know, use you know, 1177 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:17,520 Speaker 2: use your your connections if you want, and then leave it. 1178 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,360 Speaker 2: Cause it's like, you know, it doesn't matter what the 1179 01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,360 Speaker 2: public is thinking, because they're always going to They're always 1180 01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,920 Speaker 2: going to be those two sides of the street. Yeah yeah, listen, 1181 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,520 Speaker 2: and I'll say this public, so I'll give a shit. 1182 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,520 Speaker 2: I want more Black meple babies to use their connections 1183 01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:34,280 Speaker 2: like I like because because the thing is this, listen, Historically, historically, 1184 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,560 Speaker 2: you know, the white kids did it, and I'm not 1185 01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,640 Speaker 2: and let's be clear, I'm not mad at it do it, 1186 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,880 Speaker 2: but I do feel. 1187 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,320 Speaker 1: Like when it comes to our community. 1188 01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,520 Speaker 2: Do you think that they're not using it? They are 1189 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,640 Speaker 2: using it? You know the black kids. Though you think 1190 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,200 Speaker 2: they're not using their connection. 1191 01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:55,320 Speaker 1: Well, I feel like the thing is they're not using 1192 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,720 Speaker 1: it and being like fuck you like have no fucks 1193 01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,360 Speaker 1: to get if you are, like, for example, Laurie Harvey, 1194 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:13,440 Speaker 1: who obviously Steve Harvey's daughter, and she recently appeared on 1195 01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,560 Speaker 1: the Hulu show Reasonably Doubt, no doubt and did a 1196 01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,760 Speaker 1: great job, like, did a wonderful job. But to me, 1197 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,840 Speaker 1: it's sort of like, sure, did she get a leg 1198 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,680 Speaker 1: up app so fucking lutely, like we're not gonna pretend 1199 01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:33,640 Speaker 1: like that wasn't the case. But in her defense, everybody 1200 01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,960 Speaker 1: EJ was like, oh, this bitch can add and they 1201 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,400 Speaker 1: were pleasantly surprised by it. Right, And she did an 1202 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,920 Speaker 1: interview I believe it was on the real Jennifer Hudson 1203 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:48,200 Speaker 1: and she acknowledged that, look, he is my dad, I 1204 01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,960 Speaker 1: get it. What do you want me to do? 1205 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think for me, it was just one of 1206 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:58,240 Speaker 2: those things that's like, listen, you can you can book 1207 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,440 Speaker 2: me on a roll because of my last Like that 1208 01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:05,200 Speaker 2: is completely you're right, you know, the casting directors, the 1209 01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,320 Speaker 2: producers or whatever, you can you can book me. However, 1210 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,080 Speaker 2: for whatever reason you want to, but it is my 1211 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:16,480 Speaker 2: responsibility to give an unforgettable performance, to give a powerful 1212 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,840 Speaker 2: performance that is remembered and so they can say, oh 1213 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,600 Speaker 2: that bitch really can act. That's my job. So I 1214 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,360 Speaker 2: did my part like I've worked. I've done the work, 1215 01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,960 Speaker 2: like I'm confident in my skills and my talent. So therefore, 1216 01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,360 Speaker 2: when the camera starts rolling, I'm ready. Now you get 1217 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,920 Speaker 2: and in the comment section you can say whatever you please, 1218 01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,800 Speaker 2: like you know, that's on all of you. But it's like, again, 1219 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,200 Speaker 2: there's nothing I can do. You know, it's like he 1220 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,480 Speaker 2: is my dad whatever, like you know, same thing in 1221 01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,360 Speaker 2: her case. It's like what do you know, It's like 1222 01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,200 Speaker 2: people just need to be mad about something, to be honest, 1223 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,920 Speaker 2: like everyone needs, you know, they always have to be 1224 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,600 Speaker 2: mad about something Shale in the comments, Like it's very sad. 1225 01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:02,560 Speaker 2: I feel sad for those people. I really do, yeah, 1226 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,880 Speaker 2: because I mean it's just like wow, So you're okay. 1227 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,200 Speaker 1: So the goal for you in twenty twenty six you're 1228 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:15,720 Speaker 1: an acting class is so movies, TV shows, you want 1229 01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:16,400 Speaker 1: to do everything? 1230 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:21,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I've been I've been training since like twenty eighteen, 1231 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,200 Speaker 2: so it's been like seven years now or eight years now, 1232 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, if they've gotten to the point where I like, 1233 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,760 Speaker 2: I'm ready to do to handle bigger roles and bigger opportunities. 1234 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:36,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, definitely television movies. Like you know, I've got 1235 01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,440 Speaker 2: my eye in a couple of projects that are casting 1236 01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,520 Speaker 2: currently and soon and so I'm just going full forest. 1237 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,040 Speaker 2: I'm just like super excited about it. 1238 01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,919 Speaker 1: Do you know what I see you doing? What all's fair? 1239 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,880 Speaker 1: I see you being like a pairalegal. 1240 01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:54,840 Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't watch it. 1241 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:55,880 Speaker 1: Oh you know watch it? 1242 01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:59,520 Speaker 2: No, I didn't watch it. I okay, I no, I 1243 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:00,640 Speaker 2: mean some peop like it. 1244 01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,560 Speaker 1: I love it is camp but I'm saying. 1245 01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:04,320 Speaker 2: It's very campy. 1246 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:09,200 Speaker 1: I see you, baby, being a pair of legal and 1247 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:15,160 Speaker 1: you are like that pairalegal who was like very stern 1248 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,760 Speaker 1: and the fashions there and you know, like like this 1249 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,560 Speaker 1: character or no, so Ryan Murphy, please take it. But 1250 01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,320 Speaker 1: like I see you being like how Diane Carrol was. 1251 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,120 Speaker 2: But that's that's my character. Like I want to be, 1252 01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,320 Speaker 2: like I want to be the Dominique Devereux of like 1253 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,400 Speaker 2: some show. Okay, you know what I'm saying, Like we 1254 01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,479 Speaker 2: need that, we need it, we need it one place 1255 01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,240 Speaker 2: where we really do need it. We need it on 1256 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,200 Speaker 2: white lotus. We need a rich black bitch like really badly, 1257 01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:47,040 Speaker 2: Like we need that. I mean, come on, Like, I 1258 01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,520 Speaker 2: love Natasha, love it that she was working there. I'm 1259 01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,480 Speaker 2: glad she added color. But we need the rich black 1260 01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,600 Speaker 2: bitch like really badly because they exist, because they exist. 1261 01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,640 Speaker 2: But I think that they're afraid because they don't know 1262 01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,720 Speaker 2: that world because there's so few of us in the 1263 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,040 Speaker 2: world who actually like really move and groove in that way. 1264 01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,240 Speaker 1: Did you feel like that growing up, Like weren't a 1265 01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:06,800 Speaker 1: lot of black kids in the schools you would go 1266 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:07,800 Speaker 1: to our oplications? 1267 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:10,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like there was a few, but it's 1268 01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,760 Speaker 2: like number one, it's like we all knew each other 1269 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,040 Speaker 2: like growing up, especially like you know, like a lot 1270 01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:17,920 Speaker 2: of us, especially the ones who were like in the 1271 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,000 Speaker 2: same age group, Like you know, like we all kind 1272 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,320 Speaker 2: of grew up together. So even if we didn't go 1273 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,360 Speaker 2: to school together, like we knew of each other, like 1274 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,320 Speaker 2: the Waynes or like the Washington kids and I are 1275 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,800 Speaker 2: like close in age Denzel Washington. Oh yeah, so I 1276 01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,640 Speaker 2: grew up with his daughter Olivia. We're like a year apart. 1277 01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,080 Speaker 2: The Jackson's Samuel Jackson's daughter is a couple of years 1278 01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,200 Speaker 2: older than me, Like we're very close, like you know, 1279 01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:45,760 Speaker 2: like I grew up with all of those kids. And 1280 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,720 Speaker 2: also like some I came to to yeah to know later, 1281 01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,320 Speaker 2: but like it's honestly like this, yeah, and like I said, 1282 01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,400 Speaker 2: like we all know each other, We all know the players, 1283 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,840 Speaker 2: like you know, if you know, everybody goes to everybody's 1284 01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,360 Speaker 2: birthday parties and like events and stuff. But it's like 1285 01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,520 Speaker 2: very it's very a very small community. But it's like 1286 01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,040 Speaker 2: I just you know, the writers and the producers like 1287 01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,040 Speaker 2: they just don't know, you know. And I think we've 1288 01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:14,240 Speaker 2: always just like missed the opportunity for wealthy, for rich 1289 01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,680 Speaker 2: black people, affluent black shows. And I want someone want 1290 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:22,840 Speaker 2: something so badly, Like every time I watch one, I'm like, no, no, 1291 01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,520 Speaker 2: this is not it, This isn't it. It's like, you know, 1292 01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,320 Speaker 2: Empire was a little more street, it was it not 1293 01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,320 Speaker 2: the refined the refinement of it all, which was fine, 1294 01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,640 Speaker 2: which was fine. And then there was a British one 1295 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,120 Speaker 2: I watched on Amazon which was also I did just 1296 01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:44,320 Speaker 2: like about the haircare. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't right that 1297 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,680 Speaker 2: one didn't read and that one and that was supposed 1298 01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,160 Speaker 2: to be up to Hampton's I'm like, this is not 1299 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:54,560 Speaker 2: how people of this caliber behave, Like, no, that's just 1300 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,080 Speaker 2: not There's no the class isn't there, the refinement isn't there, 1301 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:03,920 Speaker 2: the you know, the the language isn't there, like you know. 1302 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,720 Speaker 2: And also, as I'm also getting into writing to I 1303 01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,400 Speaker 2: think I just have to write my own I. 1304 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,160 Speaker 1: Was gonna say, I'm reading why is not there is? 1305 01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,680 Speaker 1: Because what you said, First of all, you're right, you 1306 01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,280 Speaker 1: have to have a live experience even know that that exists. 1307 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,360 Speaker 1: And number two is because you haven't written yet. 1308 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm working on it. I am working on it 1309 01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,919 Speaker 2: for sure, but it is It's very true because it's 1310 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,200 Speaker 2: like no one would really know because it's like the 1311 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,680 Speaker 2: doors are closed for anybody to find out like what 1312 01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,960 Speaker 2: it really looks and feels like, to be honest. But 1313 01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,440 Speaker 2: a lot of it has to do with also learning 1314 01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,440 Speaker 2: how to flourish in the white world because like you're schooling, 1315 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,560 Speaker 2: and you know, those communities you're going in with like 1316 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,160 Speaker 2: the elite of the white world, the Caucasian worlds as well, 1317 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,160 Speaker 2: and that's very important to learn how to not only 1318 01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,160 Speaker 2: be but also flourish because these are the kids you're 1319 01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:59,920 Speaker 2: competing with these are the kids you're learning with, These 1320 01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,640 Speaker 2: the kids you're growing with. Like, and that's a whole 1321 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:03,920 Speaker 2: other stratosphere. 1322 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:06,760 Speaker 1: You have to write this. 1323 01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,680 Speaker 2: I'm working on it. Okay, Okay, I am working on it. 1324 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,560 Speaker 1: Is fashion still your passion. 1325 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,720 Speaker 2: Fashion Room also doing big things in twenty twenty six 1326 01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:20,559 Speaker 2: as well. I'm working on some more products, projects and products, 1327 01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:24,680 Speaker 2: I guess, but for But what I'm really coming to 1328 01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,920 Speaker 2: terms with is like it's a legacy, this is gonna be. 1329 01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,000 Speaker 2: The stuff I'm working on is a long burn. I'm 1330 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,960 Speaker 2: building companies and empires and things of that nature. This 1331 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,960 Speaker 2: is not just like, oh, here I am being cute, 1332 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,559 Speaker 2: or here I am launching this stupid product, or you know, 1333 01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,840 Speaker 2: selling some bullshit on Instagram, Like I'm not that girl. 1334 01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,720 Speaker 2: Like I really am interested in having powerful dialogues and 1335 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,839 Speaker 2: creating meaningful companies that are actually really going to benefit 1336 01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:53,040 Speaker 2: you know everyone, not just you know, the fashion community. 1337 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,960 Speaker 2: But also we don't have a queen, we don't have 1338 01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,160 Speaker 2: a rain and Queen coming to talk to everybody, tell 1339 01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,599 Speaker 2: everybody what's cute, what's not cute, what's ugly, and what 1340 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,160 Speaker 2: you know, what works and what is not working. And 1341 01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,439 Speaker 2: I have been waiting, and I've been praying for someone 1342 01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,120 Speaker 2: to come along for many years now. And then finally 1343 01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,360 Speaker 2: I looked at myself and I was like, bitch, I 1344 01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,760 Speaker 2: think it's you. And I'm like, damn it, Like I 1345 01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,160 Speaker 2: don't want to do it, but what I know I 1346 01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,760 Speaker 2: have to do. I have to do it. Yeah, we 1347 01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:23,439 Speaker 2: don't have anybody. Anna's out, everyone's out passed away, I know. 1348 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,320 Speaker 2: And like I really wish him, like girl, like if 1349 01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,200 Speaker 2: I could just like bring you back and give you 1350 01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:28,720 Speaker 2: the crown so then I don't have to do the 1351 01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,679 Speaker 2: work like I would, I'd rather that. But I think 1352 01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,640 Speaker 2: he's like I think about him a lot, and like 1353 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,120 Speaker 2: I've read a lot of his books and read his documentaries, 1354 01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:37,920 Speaker 2: and like I feel like that bitch is like guiding me. 1355 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,000 Speaker 2: Like I'm feeling he's like, you got to go get 1356 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,080 Speaker 2: to work, bitch. I'm like, all right, bitch, I'm doing it. 1357 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,439 Speaker 2: But he's I mean, wow, yeah, wow, what a talent 1358 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,000 Speaker 2: I am. I actually bought one of his jackets at 1359 01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,519 Speaker 2: auction a couple of years ago, right after he passed, 1360 01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,400 Speaker 2: and like it's one of my most prized possessions. I 1361 01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,719 Speaker 2: love it. It's really beautiful. 1362 01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,679 Speaker 1: No, but The thing is this, I feel like this 1363 01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,480 Speaker 1: is your time and your season. It is you know, 1364 01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,479 Speaker 1: you took when when e J and the City did 1365 01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,920 Speaker 1: not come back again. What I love about you is 1366 01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,960 Speaker 1: there's not a thirsty bone in your body. 1367 01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:14,920 Speaker 2: No, do you know what I mean? 1368 01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,880 Speaker 1: Like you allow yourself to just like enjoy life and 1369 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:22,679 Speaker 1: be a human. And I feel like in the past 1370 01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:28,439 Speaker 1: recent months, your Instagram is back activated. The photos that 1371 01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:34,920 Speaker 1: thank you, honey, the photos the portfolio you're building. Yeah, 1372 01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,120 Speaker 1: well that's what I wanted it to be. 1373 01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:40,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my first goal was to get a 1374 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:42,400 Speaker 2: handle on that, because that's why I hated posting for 1375 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,120 Speaker 2: so long, because like, you know, I did that. I 1376 01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,439 Speaker 2: was at the forefront when people were posting looks and 1377 01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,000 Speaker 2: like I was at the beginning of that before it 1378 01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,200 Speaker 2: was even like a thing. You know. It's like so 1379 01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,760 Speaker 2: like I couldn't continue on just doing it to do it, 1380 01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,639 Speaker 2: and I wasn't going to compete with all these other girls, 1381 01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,280 Speaker 2: you know, the other bitches who think that they're bombing 1382 01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,600 Speaker 2: and they're not bombed, And like I just had to 1383 01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,400 Speaker 2: find a way to do to tell the story the 1384 01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,200 Speaker 2: way that I wanted to. And I was like, oh, well, 1385 01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,200 Speaker 2: you know what we what don't we have? Oh, we 1386 01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,640 Speaker 2: don't have a fabulous fashion magazine anymore because like you know, 1387 01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,200 Speaker 2: nobody reads and you know, we don't have there. These 1388 01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,000 Speaker 2: magazines are not putting in the budget and the effort 1389 01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,680 Speaker 2: to create these beautiful magazines that we grew up with. 1390 01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:18,720 Speaker 2: And I was like, that's what we're gonna do. I'm 1391 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,360 Speaker 2: just gonna make a very high editorial, you know, all 1392 01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,240 Speaker 2: of the Popper's bazaars and the folk shoots that I 1393 01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,639 Speaker 2: was obsessed with as a kid, and I'm going to 1394 01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:30,360 Speaker 2: tell the story and also show this highest version of 1395 01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,879 Speaker 2: myself through that lens that I've always loved. And that's 1396 01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,080 Speaker 2: that's that's where I kind of got on that. And 1397 01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,000 Speaker 2: so now I'm going to start adding video component. So 1398 01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,240 Speaker 2: now we'll do some more talking, We'll do some more 1399 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,599 Speaker 2: you know, kind of showing and educating, because I think 1400 01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,479 Speaker 2: that's also very important. People are really missing the mark 1401 01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,600 Speaker 2: right now. Like I'm glad everybody's at the table, you know, 1402 01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,519 Speaker 2: social media and the fact that like you know, everything 1403 01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,400 Speaker 2: kind of just blew up and like you know, everyone's 1404 01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,080 Speaker 2: at the at the at the table with fashion big before, 1405 01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,439 Speaker 2: like especially when I was like you know, moved here 1406 01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,040 Speaker 2: in the you know, twenty ten. In college and in 1407 01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,120 Speaker 2: the early blog days, it's like that door was like closed. Yeah, 1408 01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,280 Speaker 2: like if you you it was impossible. You had to 1409 01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,320 Speaker 2: get you know, Nana winch Ars somebody to come and 1410 01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,200 Speaker 2: be like, oh you, you can come in. But everyone, 1411 01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,920 Speaker 2: you know, everyone was very like oh no. And so 1412 01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,360 Speaker 2: now that that all blew up and everyone's here, we 1413 01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,800 Speaker 2: have to now we have to start talking about a 1414 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,160 Speaker 2: dressing appropriately for everybody and finding what works for everybody, 1415 01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:31,519 Speaker 2: and you know, telling a different story because you know, 1416 01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,479 Speaker 2: we're gender inclusive, we're body conscious and all of these 1417 01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:38,439 Speaker 2: things now, which is lovely, but like, you know, let's 1418 01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,040 Speaker 2: let's let's let's start, you know, finding the best version 1419 01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,640 Speaker 2: of ourselves and our best styles, which I think is 1420 01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,680 Speaker 2: being missed because nobody I don't think has the eye 1421 01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:52,760 Speaker 2: or the knowledge of the capability to really have those conversations. 1422 01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,040 Speaker 1: You need to be the met gala. 1423 01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:00,000 Speaker 2: I mean, it's all of that. It's such a certain 1424 01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,479 Speaker 2: right now, like oh my god, the outfits are so 1425 01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:06,600 Speaker 2: bad Jesus Christ. But I told myself, I was like, 1426 01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:09,880 Speaker 2: should the invitation come, we can go just once, just 1427 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:14,479 Speaker 2: to just to go. But it's really horrible, like the 1428 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:18,200 Speaker 2: red carved. I know, I'm like the only one who 1429 01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,160 Speaker 2: really like it looks at this with such a strong eye, 1430 01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:20,960 Speaker 2: but I'm like, I cannot. 1431 01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,320 Speaker 1: But that's why we need you, because again we don't. Again, 1432 01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,720 Speaker 1: I know you have the eye and you need to 1433 01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,000 Speaker 1: be part of the of the committee. 1434 01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,080 Speaker 2: I just can't with the Halloween costumes. Like I'm really 1435 01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:32,200 Speaker 2: over it. Not Halloween, I'm really over it. No, it's 1436 01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:34,880 Speaker 2: it really is. It's like the Halloween parade. It's it's 1437 01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,000 Speaker 2: it's not cute. It's like, you know, like take me 1438 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,640 Speaker 2: back to like you know, Rihanna showing up in the 1439 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:43,680 Speaker 2: giant yellow silk coat with the fur rim Yes, like 1440 01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:49,040 Speaker 2: that time when everyone was really doing it respect to 1441 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:50,719 Speaker 2: that met Ball. 1442 01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:52,760 Speaker 1: What girl is doing it for you right now in 1443 01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:53,719 Speaker 1: the Passion apartment. 1444 01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,800 Speaker 2: I have to give it only to myself because like 1445 01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:57,800 Speaker 2: I'm the only girl. I swear, I'm the only girl 1446 01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:02,120 Speaker 2: that I can gag myself. I'm sorry to everyone else, 1447 01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,519 Speaker 2: I can only give the crown to me. I'm I'm 1448 01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,080 Speaker 2: I'm very very sad about that because I wish I could. 1449 01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,920 Speaker 2: I really wish I could give it to somebody else. 1450 01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:15,080 Speaker 2: But like honestly, like I'm the only person where I'm like, yes, bitch, 1451 01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,920 Speaker 2: you're really doing it. But even when I put this 1452 01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:18,960 Speaker 2: outfit together, I was. 1453 01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,280 Speaker 1: Like, yes, I do everything. Why Sun, I was like, 1454 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,920 Speaker 1: I need I'm loving man, you are bad bitch. 1455 01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:28,400 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. 1456 01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:28,720 Speaker 1: I know. 1457 01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,800 Speaker 2: I mean, like I just like I have to give 1458 01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:32,920 Speaker 2: credit where credit is due, you know what I'm saying. 1459 01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,040 Speaker 2: Like right now, it's like I'm at the point where 1460 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,800 Speaker 2: I'm I'm kind of just like giving homage to the 1461 01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:42,160 Speaker 2: to when everybody was at their height, you know, Like 1462 01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,120 Speaker 2: I'm not a person who's like, oh god, I hate 1463 01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:45,960 Speaker 2: that bitch because she never gets it right, you know. 1464 01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:51,160 Speaker 2: But like I'm just like, like you know, early Rihanna, Yes, 1465 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:57,719 Speaker 2: you know, like twenty ten to like twenty like seventeen, Like, yes, yes, 1466 01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,599 Speaker 2: those looks I I like to look back on. I 1467 01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:05,680 Speaker 2: like to look back on those looks a lot. They're great, 1468 01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,160 Speaker 2: you know. And I mean a lot of people talk 1469 01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,960 Speaker 2: a lot of shit about Kim and and you know, 1470 01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,559 Speaker 2: I just but she had that one period from like 1471 01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:19,840 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen to like two thousand and seventeen were you know, 1472 01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:22,840 Speaker 2: you know, blessed Kanye. I don't know what's going on 1473 01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:24,719 Speaker 2: with him. But when he was a part of it, 1474 01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:25,479 Speaker 2: it looks were great. 1475 01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,000 Speaker 1: Can I tell you something and this is me telling 1476 01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,360 Speaker 1: you the Gottan is true. I was literally talking to 1477 01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:36,280 Speaker 1: somebody maybe two months ago, and for some reason one 1478 01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:40,360 Speaker 1: of Kim's looks came to my feed and I went 1479 01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:44,400 Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole of these iconic looks that were 1480 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,519 Speaker 1: hit of his time. Like one time was like a 1481 01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,559 Speaker 1: latext dress and I'm just like and it was hot pink, 1482 01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:54,680 Speaker 1: and I'm like and like avia the glasses and I'm like, 1483 01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,080 Speaker 1: wait a minute, this was like everything And then and 1484 01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,400 Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, this is the Kanye era. 1485 01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,400 Speaker 1: Who listen. I'm only talking about his genius in terms 1486 01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:06,559 Speaker 1: of like fashion County. 1487 01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,680 Speaker 2: I have to give the credit when it's due, and 1488 01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,360 Speaker 2: he really and I mean that's what I'm saying. I 1489 01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,240 Speaker 2: don't know what's going on with him. I have no idea. 1490 01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,600 Speaker 2: I'm not, you know, condoning any of the messaging that 1491 01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:21,040 Speaker 2: he's been putting out. It's been just ugly and crazy. Yes, 1492 01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,680 Speaker 2: but it is the loss of a great you know, 1493 01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,160 Speaker 2: it's almost like a passing. You know, it is almost 1494 01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,400 Speaker 2: like a passing because he was an incredible eye for style. 1495 01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:32,479 Speaker 2: You really couldn't beat it. He was. He had an 1496 01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:36,040 Speaker 2: incredible eye for style and fashion. He looked at his looks, 1497 01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,880 Speaker 2: the looks he put her in at the time, like, 1498 01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:43,400 Speaker 2: I mean wow, Like he really was brilliant. It is 1499 01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,439 Speaker 2: just you know, it's just a morning all of a loss. 1500 01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,280 Speaker 2: To be honest, it's just like, you know, wow, it's 1501 01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:49,080 Speaker 2: really unfortunate. 1502 01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:50,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I had the count sign that one. 1503 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:51,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1504 01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:52,719 Speaker 1: I literally was talking about that recently. 1505 01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. Go, it's it's really that just like for her, 1506 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,880 Speaker 2: it's just that one fashion week. Unfortunately it was the 1507 01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,120 Speaker 2: fashion week she got robbed. But the looks of that 1508 01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:07,000 Speaker 2: fashion week. I have to go back and loo dressed, dressed, dressed. 1509 01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,400 Speaker 2: I so eat Jay. 1510 01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,000 Speaker 1: Let the girls know what is next for you. How 1511 01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,200 Speaker 1: can they support you? Follow you all those things? 1512 01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:22,599 Speaker 2: You can follow my Instagram, keep on keep keep your 1513 01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,880 Speaker 2: eye on me. Yeah. Like I said, it's like, there'll 1514 01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:29,200 Speaker 2: definitely be some acting moments coming very shortly. They've got 1515 01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:33,320 Speaker 2: video content coming in on the socials. Right now, I 1516 01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,160 Speaker 2: just have Instagram, but I've been talking about about adding 1517 01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,720 Speaker 2: like a TikTok and some other things. So I think 1518 01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:43,400 Speaker 2: that that's probably somewhere down the line as well, but yeah, 1519 01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:48,320 Speaker 2: totally keep involved because we're literally just getting started. Like 1520 01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,599 Speaker 2: there's just like so many fabulous things that like we're 1521 01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,120 Speaker 2: getting ready to do and like both in the short 1522 01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,120 Speaker 2: term and the long term, so all the terms are covered. 1523 01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:02,920 Speaker 1: Products, projects, the whole thing. You're not here for a 1524 01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,360 Speaker 1: short time, here for a long time. Yeah, And I 1525 01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,920 Speaker 1: love that about you, Like you're again I keep saying this, 1526 01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,360 Speaker 1: but I think in a world where people feel the 1527 01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:14,080 Speaker 1: need to just put themselves out there for the sake 1528 01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:18,200 Speaker 1: of being out there and afraid of being irrelevant, I 1529 01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,759 Speaker 1: love the fact that you're more focused on like building 1530 01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,240 Speaker 1: a foundation that lasts, you know, even at the years 1531 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,320 Speaker 1: of you And that's amazing. 1532 01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:30,959 Speaker 2: Yes, I think right now the world is so focused 1533 01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,880 Speaker 2: on fast everyone fast money fast. You know. It's all 1534 01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,040 Speaker 2: about like the people who are rich for a day 1535 01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,720 Speaker 2: or a year and then nothing, you know after that. 1536 01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,160 Speaker 2: And like it just dawned on me because I'm coming 1537 01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,280 Speaker 2: up with a lot of amazing ideas and I'm like, wow, 1538 01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,000 Speaker 2: a lot of these ideas are going to take some time, 1539 01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:50,599 Speaker 2: but like they're going to be massive. But it's like 1540 01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,040 Speaker 2: that's when it dawned to me. I was like, oh, 1541 01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:55,639 Speaker 2: These are legacy things. These are these are companies, these 1542 01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,080 Speaker 2: are empire things. These are things that are going to 1543 01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,760 Speaker 2: last a long time after you're gone and also will 1544 01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:04,080 Speaker 2: be a gift, you know, to humanity. Something you can 1545 01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,280 Speaker 2: just be like, here you go. Now I'm I'm gonna 1546 01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,240 Speaker 2: go do something else, or I'm gonna retire. I'm gonna, 1547 01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:09,920 Speaker 2: you know, just go on with my life with being 1548 01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,280 Speaker 2: fabus of something that I can just be like, I 1549 01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,519 Speaker 2: gave I created this and now I'm gonna give it 1550 01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,240 Speaker 2: to the world and move on. But a lot of 1551 01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:19,880 Speaker 2: the stuff that I'm thinking about, and a lot of 1552 01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,200 Speaker 2: stuff that I've already put pen to paper and started 1553 01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:23,240 Speaker 2: having early meetings on. 1554 01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:33,800 Speaker 1: It's very that yes e j jah Sai y'all. Reality 1555 01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:37,760 Speaker 1: with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King, 1556 01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:42,280 Speaker 1: produced by Lizzie Mimics, and a partnership with the Lack 1557 01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,960 Speaker 1: of Effect Network. You can also find us on my YouTube 1558 01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:50,000 Speaker 1: channel at BI Carlos King Underscore