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<v Speaker 1>They argue that you stop for a second, please. For months,

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Jewel, the security guard who was initially hailed a

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<v Speaker 1>hero for discovering the bomb, was investigated by law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>and bombarded by the press, who framed him as the

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<v Speaker 1>prime suspect. They speculated that he was a villainous attention seeker,

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<v Speaker 1>one suffering from hero syndrome.

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<v Speaker 3>It's also called the Messiah complex, a person who wants.

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<v Speaker 1>To be godlike.

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<v Speaker 3>It's again that power thing they want to feel superior

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<v Speaker 3>to all others.

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<v Speaker 1>Then six months later, those accusations quietly faded after he

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<v Speaker 1>was cleared by the US government.

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<v Speaker 4>With regard to Richard Jewel, I deeply regret that his

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<v Speaker 4>name was linked to the media. This not only damaged

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<v Speaker 4>mister Jewell and his reputation, but it caused the FBI

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<v Speaker 4>substantial damage to its investigation.

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<v Speaker 5>Richard answered a lot of questions the FDI and other

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<v Speaker 5>long enforces who followed up, and at the end of

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<v Speaker 5>the day, there certainly wasn't substantial evidence. It looked like

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<v Speaker 5>he didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Retired US attorney Kent Alexander remembers the man hunt for

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<v Speaker 1>the Centennial Park bomber well. He showed up to our

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<v Speaker 1>interview in the nineteen ninety six at Leant Olympics Polo

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<v Speaker 1>with a framed letter that he sent to Richard Jewel

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<v Speaker 1>during the investigation. Can you can you read the letter?

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<v Speaker 5>Sure? It's addressed to Jack Martin, who's one of several

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<v Speaker 5>attorneys for Richard Jewel. Says, Dear Jack, this to advise

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<v Speaker 5>you that, based on the evidence developed to date, your client,

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<v Speaker 5>Richard Jewel, is not considered a target of the federal

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<v Speaker 5>criminal investigation at the bombing on July twenty seven, nineteen

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<v Speaker 5>ninety six, at Centennial Olympic Park in Atlanta. Barring any

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<v Speaker 5>newly discovered evidence, the status will not change. I'm hopeful

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<v Speaker 5>that mister Jewel will provide further cooperation as a witness

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<v Speaker 5>in the investigation. Sincerely, Kent be Alexander, US Attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>After clearing Richard Jewel, the FBI, atf and GBI, collectively

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Scent Bomb Task Force, we're left with

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<v Speaker 1>really no leads.

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<v Speaker 5>We had no shortage of potential bombers. The more you

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<v Speaker 5>dig into things, you realize there are just a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of crazy people out there, so there wasn't one particular suspect.

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<v Speaker 5>In fact, at that point, there was still poster that

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<v Speaker 5>some agent had drawn up. It was a squiggly figure

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<v Speaker 5>of a guy sitting on a bench and something under

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<v Speaker 5>the bench, and then written in black marker was wanted

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<v Speaker 5>by the FBI. We called him Blobman because there was

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<v Speaker 5>a picture of the actual bomber, but it was so

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<v Speaker 5>grainy that we could make out no facial features at all,

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<v Speaker 5>So you just basically had this guy who looked like

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<v Speaker 5>kind of a blob sitting on the bench. So that

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<v Speaker 5>Blobman pretty much captured the investigation. There were plenty of

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<v Speaker 5>people we kept looking at, but nobody really jumped a

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<v Speaker 5>four as the likely bomber, much less the primary.

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<v Speaker 1>Suspect episode two. Twin bomb.

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<v Speaker 3>My wife at the time, and we had twins arrive

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<v Speaker 3>about eight months previous, so it was kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>crazy household when you get invaded with kids all of

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden. So my day started at four am, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was a regular work day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's January sixteenth, nineteen ninety seven, six months after the

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<v Speaker 1>bombing at the Olympics, and Rob Stadler is the news

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<v Speaker 1>director at Star ninety four, a popular radio station in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 3>And because we have the twins, I was able to

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<v Speaker 3>get away after the show ended at nine and go

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<v Speaker 3>to my wife's law office was located on the third

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<v Speaker 3>floor of the Sandy Springs Profes Building.

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<v Speaker 1>Just off Roswell Road. The Sandy Springs Professional Building was

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<v Speaker 1>a three story complex that housed a handful of different offices.

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<v Speaker 1>On the top floor was Rob's wife's law firm. On

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<v Speaker 1>the first was Atlanta North Side Planning Services, an abortion clinic.

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<v Speaker 1>Rob's wife was a few counties north that morning for

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<v Speaker 1>a trial.

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<v Speaker 3>We'd set up a kind of a nursery inside the office,

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<v Speaker 3>so I would stop by and scoop them up and

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<v Speaker 3>take them home. And it was dad duty the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of the day, and I called the office up on

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<v Speaker 3>my cell phone and it was probably the most important

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<v Speaker 3>call I made in my life. I told them the

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<v Speaker 3>folks at the office, I said, I'm kind of a rush.

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<v Speaker 3>I won't really want to get home, so if you

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<v Speaker 3>could take the girls out of the crib and have

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<v Speaker 3>them ready to go in their carry all chairs, that

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<v Speaker 3>would be great. And I went up to the third

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<v Speaker 3>floor and walked into the office there the girls were

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<v Speaker 3>right there in the lobby part of the law office,

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<v Speaker 3>and I sat down just for a second to hold

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<v Speaker 3>one of them and noticed a blue light, bright flash

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<v Speaker 3>in the window, and then a tremendous, tremendous blast, and

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<v Speaker 3>it just the shaking was unbelievable. Ceiling tiles started coming down,

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<v Speaker 3>things were happening in the office is collapsing and one

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<v Speaker 3>of the people in the office said that was a bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>Rob and his twin girls made it out of the

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<v Speaker 1>building safely with many of the staff. Immediately, yellow tape

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<v Speaker 1>was rolled out and the area was labeled a crime scene.

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<v Speaker 3>We put the girls, my daughters in my mini pickup,

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<v Speaker 3>and the office staff, one of them, drove them to

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<v Speaker 3>our house in Sandy Springs, away from the site. That

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<v Speaker 3>gave me a chance then to do my job being

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<v Speaker 3>the news guy on Star ninety four. It's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a news story. I got as close as

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<v Speaker 3>I could to where the smoke was coming out from

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<v Speaker 3>the first floor window where the abortion clinic was located.

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<v Speaker 3>So then I dialed up my cell phone and then

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<v Speaker 3>called the radio station and jumped on Live.

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<v Speaker 1>E three Industrial Boulevards, darn ninty four.

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<v Speaker 6>It's nine thirty five and we go to Rob Standler,

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<v Speaker 6>our news director, with a breaking news story.

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<v Speaker 7>Steve, I am at two seventy five Carpenter Drive. This

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<v Speaker 7>is a three story building that parallels Roswell Road. It's

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<v Speaker 7>right behind Good Old Days in Sandy Springs where a

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<v Speaker 7>suspected bomb has gone off in this building. I was

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<v Speaker 7>on the third floor of this building at the time

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<v Speaker 7>when we were rocked by a flash and a loud boom,

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<v Speaker 7>and it shattered windows on the southeastern part of the building.

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<v Speaker 8>I was in the car with a couple of my

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<v Speaker 8>friends and we were listening to radio.

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<v Speaker 7>You can hear the sirens coming. Fire and Cruise are

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<v Speaker 7>just now arriving. I can tell you what happened as

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<v Speaker 7>best as I can.

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<v Speaker 9>I was on the third floor of.

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<v Speaker 8>The facility so and I think it was in the morning,

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<v Speaker 8>and they said there had been an explosion at an

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<v Speaker 8>abortion clinic in Sandy Springs, and my stomach dropped and

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<v Speaker 8>I couldn't speak. I mean, all I could think was

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<v Speaker 8>holy shit, Like, what am I going to do? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking again with Leah. You probably remember her from

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<v Speaker 1>the last episode. Leah also grew up in Atlanta, lived

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<v Speaker 1>here all her life, and she remembers of the Olympic

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<v Speaker 1>Park bombing well, but at the time, she couldn't know

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<v Speaker 1>that the bombing was just the first in a series

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<v Speaker 1>of events that would forever change her life in the

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<v Speaker 1>lives of her entire family.

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<v Speaker 8>I was born knowing what I want to do from

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<v Speaker 8>day one, knowing what I want to be, where I

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<v Speaker 8>want to go to college. I didn't want to get married,

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<v Speaker 8>didn't want kids. I've always known.

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<v Speaker 1>Among the many stories connected to the Olympic Park bombing,

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<v Speaker 1>Leah's was unexpected and powerful, also complicated. It began the

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<v Speaker 1>year before the Centennial Olympics.

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<v Speaker 8>I met Bo when I was fifteen. I was a sophomore.

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<v Speaker 8>Bo was three years older. He had gotten involved with

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<v Speaker 8>a group of guys that were stealing cars. He was

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<v Speaker 8>awaiting trial for a series of felonies.

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<v Speaker 1>Leah and Bow began dating, but the way you do

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<v Speaker 1>in high school, and you don't know much yet, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's not much to a relationship except the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you're just together. It wasn't too long before Bow would

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<v Speaker 1>be convicted it would have to serve time in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>After six months behind bars, he took a deal which

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<v Speaker 1>required him to serve six additional months of boot camp,

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<v Speaker 1>followed by house arrest.

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<v Speaker 8>And for me, the absence and the time away made

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<v Speaker 8>me realize, this is a lot to wrap my head around.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, I didn't get into a relationship with someone to.

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<v Speaker 9>Settle down at fifteen.

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<v Speaker 8>I wasn't choosing a lifelong partner. And Bo wrote me constantly.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know if I would say that he was needy,

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<v Speaker 8>but he was more talking about long term. I love you,

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<v Speaker 8>I want to marry you. I remember he would always

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<v Speaker 8>put at the bottom of the letter, relax and hang

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<v Speaker 8>in there, baby. To this day, if somebody tells me

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<v Speaker 8>to relax, it makes my skin crawl, just assuming that

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<v Speaker 8>I belonged to him.

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<v Speaker 9>That's the most selfish thing. That's not loving somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>While Bou was in boot camp, Leah was living her

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<v Speaker 1>high school life. Bo was less and less on her radar,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was still very much on his. Their time

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<v Speaker 1>apart made her realize that their relationship was over.

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<v Speaker 8>It was more one of those things where I just

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<v Speaker 8>decided to wait to discuss it until he was out.

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<v Speaker 8>So Bo was released from boot camp and my best

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<v Speaker 8>friend and I drove down to pick him up, and

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<v Speaker 8>he's super excited to see me, want to ride in

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<v Speaker 8>the backseat with me, and was overly affectionate. All he

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<v Speaker 8>could focus on was the fact that he was going

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<v Speaker 8>to spend the next several months in house arrest, and

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<v Speaker 8>that I was going to spend it with him. It

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<v Speaker 8>was the longest car I feel like I've ever had.

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<v Speaker 8>I did eventually muster up the courage to tell him,

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<v Speaker 8>and it went as terribly as you could imagine, and

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<v Speaker 8>it became a dynamic where it felt more territorial, and

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<v Speaker 8>he wanted me to come over every night because he

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<v Speaker 8>couldn't leave the house. There were times that if I

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<v Speaker 8>didn't go to Bow's house and I didn't go stay

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<v Speaker 8>with him, Bou would show up.

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<v Speaker 9>He would break house arrest and come to find me.

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<v Speaker 8>I didn't know how to get out of what I

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<v Speaker 8>was in with bo. I remember, he was upset and

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<v Speaker 8>he called me and called me and called me repeatedly,

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<v Speaker 8>and so I went to his place and I staying

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<v Speaker 8>in the night with him. We had sex that night,

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<v Speaker 8>which I don't know why, but we did. I overslept

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<v Speaker 8>the next morning for work. I left his house in

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<v Speaker 8>a panic, and I ended up getting in a wreck

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<v Speaker 8>and totaling my car, not knowing that I had just

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<v Speaker 8>conceived a child.

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<v Speaker 1>Leah was pregnant at age seventeen. She spoke in confidence

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<v Speaker 1>to a teacher at her school about it, and her

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<v Speaker 1>teacher told her that she should tell her mom. Leah

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<v Speaker 1>decided not to.

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<v Speaker 8>It wasn't real to me, but in my mind there

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<v Speaker 8>was no choice. I knew I was having an abortion,

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<v Speaker 8>and that's it. It was just very, you know, matter

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<v Speaker 8>of fact, like okay, well you just do it.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, I didn't have an option in my mind.

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<v Speaker 8>My mom didn't believe an abortion, so I knew there

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<v Speaker 8>was no discussion to be had, and I knew I

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<v Speaker 8>didn't want kids.

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<v Speaker 9>So I don't think.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't think I felt anything at the time, or

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<v Speaker 8>I didn't let myself think about it.

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<v Speaker 9>It didn't feel real to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Leah did, however, break the news to Bo. They scoured

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<v Speaker 1>the Yellow Pages for an abortion clinic in Atlanta. They'd

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<v Speaker 1>eventually land on an office in Sandy Springs, but since

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<v Speaker 1>she was under eighteen to legally have the procedures, she

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<v Speaker 1>needed parental permission or a parent with her. But Bo

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<v Speaker 1>had a solution to that.

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<v Speaker 8>So given his skill sets, he made an id for

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<v Speaker 8>me and we scheduled an appointment. Yeah, and I thought

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<v Speaker 8>at the time that that was it, that's what was happening.

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<v Speaker 8>There'd be nothing more to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Leah scheduled the appointment January seventeenth, nineteen ninety seven. She

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't scared. She decided it needed to be done. But

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<v Speaker 1>the day which would forever take root in her memory

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<v Speaker 1>was the day before January sixteenth, the day the clinic

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<v Speaker 1>was bombed.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm sitting at my desk and my boss, Jim Tapman,

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<v Speaker 10>came out and he goes, Mike, she's been a bomb

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<v Speaker 10>went off an abortion clinic up in Sandy Springs. Here's

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<v Speaker 10>the address, Get on up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Rising as a cold case homicide investigator in Walton County,

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<v Speaker 1>which is about forty minutes outside Atlanta, but back in

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<v Speaker 1>ninety seven. He was a supervisory special agent with the FBI.

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<v Speaker 10>So I drive up to the location and when I

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<v Speaker 10>arrived at her ems people, some fire trucks, a lot

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<v Speaker 10>of government cars. An FBI agent came up to me.

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<v Speaker 10>I didn't know him, but he knew me and identified

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<v Speaker 10>himself and took me over to where the door of

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<v Speaker 10>the abortion clinic was and they had just taped it off.

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<v Speaker 10>My role was find out the lay of the land.

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<v Speaker 10>So who had responded to take a look at the site,

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<v Speaker 10>and I walked around to the northwest corner. I had

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<v Speaker 10>gotten my phone out. This was an old, antique, huge

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<v Speaker 10>Miami vice looking goofy old phone with an antenna that

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<v Speaker 10>you would pull out, and then I typically answered directly

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<v Speaker 10>to the number two guy in the US Attorney's office,

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<v Speaker 10>John Davis. Called John Davis and let him know what

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<v Speaker 10>was going on. At that point, I want to say

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<v Speaker 10>there were two or three other attorneys in the office

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<v Speaker 10>because they had me on a speakerphone. When the second

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<v Speaker 10>device went off, it goes off and I just remember

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<v Speaker 10>going fuck. I had this immediate deja vu flashback to

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<v Speaker 10>September fifteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nineteen sixty nine.

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<v Speaker 10>I was hit with a rocket propel grenade in Vietnam,

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<v Speaker 10>and when it hit, it came from the left side.

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<v Speaker 10>I was actually holding a radio set and in this

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<v Speaker 10>case I'm holding a cell phone and a force of

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<v Speaker 10>the blast just shoved me a couple of feet, and

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<v Speaker 10>I'm thinking, I don't think I said it, but I'm

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<v Speaker 10>going not again.

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<v Speaker 8>Where were you in the building and where was the explosion.

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<v Speaker 3>This second explosion, about an hour later, injured a television photographer,

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<v Speaker 3>an ATF agent, and at least four others.

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Stadler's wife rushed back from trial to her law firm,

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<v Speaker 1>which was housed just two stories above the abortion clinic

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<v Speaker 1>in the same building. Both she and Rob were standing

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<v Speaker 1>at the top of the hill overlooking the crime scene

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<v Speaker 1>when the second bomb exploded.

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<v Speaker 3>It was kind of like when you're too close to

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<v Speaker 3>a firework and you feel it in your chest if

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<v Speaker 3>it goes off way too close. It was like that,

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<v Speaker 3>except the shockwave from the bomb enters the front part

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<v Speaker 3>of your brain, goes through your brain and exits the back.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the weirdest feeling in the world. Split second, but

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<v Speaker 3>it seemed like it lasted forever. Shrapnel was buzzing by

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<v Speaker 3>our heads, so at that point it was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to be a third boone, and that's a

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<v Speaker 3>really frightening thing.

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<v Speaker 5>No one has claimed credit for these explosions.

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<v Speaker 6>Police say there were no calls to nine one one beforehand,

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<v Speaker 6>and clinic workers received no threats.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in a funk for about six to nine months,

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<v Speaker 3>definitely a PTSD. That weekend, we have remote broadcasts that

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<v Speaker 3>we go out to a store or something and we

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<v Speaker 3>bring our radio truck and all that stuff, and we

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<v Speaker 3>always have helium balloons that we blow up and give

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<v Speaker 3>the kids or whatever. One of the balloons popped, and

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<v Speaker 3>I swear I jumped about five feet because again that's

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<v Speaker 3>just that PTSD, and it kind of gave me a

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<v Speaker 3>feeling of impending doom, and it really caused me. I

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<v Speaker 3>just wanted to stay at home a lot, so many

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<v Speaker 3>sleepless nights and thinking about how come we managed to

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<v Speaker 3>survive this. I really felt that I was a chest

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<v Speaker 3>piece being moved around that day. It's weird, bizarre feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean. That was the thing is we came within

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<v Speaker 3>so close of losing my twin daughters. I said earlier

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<v Speaker 3>that it was the most important phone call I made

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<v Speaker 3>their playpen was directly two floors above where that bomb

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<v Speaker 3>went off. When the bomb went off, the first bomb,

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<v Speaker 3>it brought down the entire ceiling and the broken glass

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<v Speaker 3>and the debris that had piled up in the crib.

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<v Speaker 3>If I hadn't made that phone call, they probably still

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<v Speaker 3>would have been there. I can't tell you how many

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<v Speaker 3>times that my wife and I would go into their

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<v Speaker 3>bedroom and you know, we start crying because we came

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<v Speaker 3>so close to losing them, and now they're healthy and

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five years old, and you know, tearing up the world.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think that was what weighed especially heavy on us.

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<v Speaker 1>It's worth noting that the timing and placement at the

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<v Speaker 1>second bomb is a well known military tactic used by

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<v Speaker 1>the US and by foreign terrorists. But what's new here

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<v Speaker 1>is that this was a Domestically, it may have been

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<v Speaker 1>the first such incident on home soil, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 1>In light of this, law enforcement was scrambling, just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get their ducks in a row. But at this

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<v Speaker 1>point it didn't help that there were so many cooks

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<v Speaker 1>in the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember that bombing situation especially well because we were

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<v Speaker 5>all standing in this command center. Woody Johnson was head

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<v Speaker 5>of the FBI, and a guy Jack Calaurin, whose first

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<v Speaker 5>day on the jobs, head of the Atlanta ATF, were there.

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<v Speaker 5>They were each on the phone with their respective bosses,

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<v Speaker 5>and Woody's case it was Louis Free and each of

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<v Speaker 5>the directors of the FBI and ATF were saying, fine,

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<v Speaker 5>glad you're working together, as long as we're in charge.

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<v Speaker 5>So there was no decision on the ground who was

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<v Speaker 5>going to actually run the investigation for the Sandy Springs

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<v Speaker 5>clinic case. Unbelievably, they decided to call it twin bomb,

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<v Speaker 5>which is unfortunate for an abortion clinic, but it was

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<v Speaker 5>because the twin bombs. So the status was he still

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<v Speaker 5>had sent bomb the task force. He had the separate

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<v Speaker 5>bombing task force for TWM bomb the abortion clinic bombing,

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<v Speaker 5>so they were going on parallel courses, sharing information here

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<v Speaker 5>and there.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sandy Springs bombings came six months after the bomb

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<v Speaker 1>at the Olympics. There were serious injuries this time, but

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<v Speaker 1>no one was killed. There had now been three bombings

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<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta, but no streamlined, cohesive plan of action from

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement. Not yet. All they had to run on

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<v Speaker 1>were theories that didn't quite connect.

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<v Speaker 6>As far as a motive. I know a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>you are assuming this is related to abortion clinic violence.

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<v Speaker 6>That is definitely a possibility, but we are not ruling

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<v Speaker 6>out the possibility of domestic terrorism unrelated to clinic violence.

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<v Speaker 5>We took a look at what the purpose could possibly

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<v Speaker 5>be of the second bomb. It was put in a

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<v Speaker 5>location where law enforcement would gather, So there was a

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<v Speaker 5>working theory almost right off the bat that whoever did this,

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<v Speaker 5>they might have been after abortion clinics to make a statement,

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<v Speaker 5>but there was a good chance they were after something else,

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<v Speaker 5>and the theory was it was law enforcement. Going forward,

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<v Speaker 5>the protocol became always checked the perimeter for a second bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>The various task forces may not have been in lockstep yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were starting to put the pieces together.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the things that we focused on from the

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<v Speaker 5>Olympic bomb there was a directional plate, a steel plate

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<v Speaker 5>that backed the bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>This directional plate was the first big clue.

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<v Speaker 5>Fast forward to January the Sandy Springs clinic bombing, there

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<v Speaker 5>was directional plate in that bomb as well, so they

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<v Speaker 5>took samples from there and started comparing it. Not too

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<v Speaker 5>long after that, it was clear that these plates came

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<v Speaker 5>from the same basically piece of large metal, same production.

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<v Speaker 5>It looked like it was either unbelievable happenstance or these

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<v Speaker 5>bombs might be connected.

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<v Speaker 1>While the motivation behind these three bombs was still unclear,

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<v Speaker 1>what was clear is that these bombs were related. Three bombs,

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<v Speaker 1>two locations, one with a warning called a nine to

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<v Speaker 1>one one, the others no warning. The pieces were beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to come together, but the bomber was still on the loose,

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<v Speaker 1>standing by, ready to strike again, just waiting for the

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<v Speaker 1>right time.

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<v Speaker 9>Holy crap, what am I going to do? That was

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<v Speaker 9>my initial thought.

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<v Speaker 1>With an appointment set for the following day at the

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<v Speaker 1>clinic that was just bombed, Leah's seventeen year old mind

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<v Speaker 1>was racing.

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<v Speaker 8>This is like, maybe I'm not supposed to just make

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<v Speaker 8>another appointment. Maybe I need to tell my mom. Like

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<v Speaker 8>That's where I think it became an actual reality. I

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<v Speaker 8>was actually pregnant. I was actually about to just go

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<v Speaker 8>have an abortion without even saying anything. I think in

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<v Speaker 8>the back of my mind I thought that by saying

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<v Speaker 8>something to my mom, deep down, it meant I was

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<v Speaker 8>going to have to keep the baby, because I knew

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<v Speaker 8>if I told her, she wouldn't allow me to have

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<v Speaker 8>an abortion.

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<v Speaker 9>That's what I thought.

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<v Speaker 8>My stepdad was out of town, so I thought it

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<v Speaker 8>was a good opportunity. We were talking one night and

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<v Speaker 8>she it was the worst. It was the worst setup

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<v Speaker 8>ever because she said to me how proud she is

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<v Speaker 8>of me and all my accomplishments and how well I'm

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<v Speaker 8>doing in school and this and that, and I'm thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 8>dear god, ladies, stop talking because I'm about to drop

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<v Speaker 8>the biggest bomb on you. And so I kind of

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<v Speaker 8>turned it around and I said, Mom, how do you

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<v Speaker 8>always know the right thing to do? And she said, well,

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<v Speaker 8>what do you mean? I said, well, it just seems

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<v Speaker 8>like you have all the answers. How do you know?

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<v Speaker 8>How do you know what the right decision is? And

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know how. But she looked at me and

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<v Speaker 8>she said, are you pregnant? And the relief I felt

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<v Speaker 8>because I didn't have to say it, but I said yes.

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<v Speaker 9>She said, well, we'll deal with it, but you're having

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<v Speaker 9>an abortion. That was the first thing she said. And

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<v Speaker 9>I was like what.

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<v Speaker 8>I thought, maybe I mishard her and I thought, she

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<v Speaker 8>said you're not and she said, yes, you are having

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<v Speaker 8>an abortion.

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<v Speaker 9>This will ruin your life.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, I can hear it. I can hear her

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<v Speaker 8>saying it, this will ruin your life. I mean that

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<v Speaker 8>is how she's her cadence. That just exactly how she

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<v Speaker 8>would say it. And the following day she called the

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<v Speaker 8>pediatrician to get a referral to an obstetrician and she

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<v Speaker 8>went in with me. And I was not the typical

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<v Speaker 8>patient in the way room. I mean I was very young, obviously,

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<v Speaker 8>I certainly was the only one there with my mommy,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, And at that appointment when they did an ultrasound,

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<v Speaker 8>I remember sitting laying there in the room and deciding

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<v Speaker 8>that I was keeping the baby. And if there is

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<v Speaker 8>one thing about me that hasn't changed, when I decide something,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm pretty firm.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever talked with mom about this?

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<v Speaker 9>No? Not, well, not until we started talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you never considered having an abortion after that moment.

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<v Speaker 8>No. I was a very headstrong person, and once my

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<v Speaker 8>mind was made up on something, it was made up.

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<v Speaker 8>And I mean I knew from the second sitting in

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<v Speaker 8>that doctor's office that I just knew it wasn't something

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<v Speaker 8>that I could do, wasn't a choice that I could make.

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<v Speaker 9>I knew I was keeping you.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's my mom. The circumstances that led to

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<v Speaker 1>my birth, they're pretty complicated. I'm not okay with any

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<v Speaker 1>of the bomber's actions. That part isn't complicated to me.

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<v Speaker 1>But in a fucked up kind of way, you could

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<v Speaker 1>say that bomb saved my life. There's a Jason isbel

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<v Speaker 1>song I always come back to. It's called Children of Children,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a line in there that says, all the

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<v Speaker 1>years you took from her just by being born. My

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<v Speaker 1>mom's my best friend, So for her, I wish she

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<v Speaker 1>could have had those years back. But I also wish,

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<v Speaker 1>in this ridiculous alternative multiverse way, that I could have

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<v Speaker 1>been around to see what her life would have become

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<v Speaker 1>and what she would have done if she had the abortion.

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<v Speaker 1>None of this is logical, it's emotional. I'm glad that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here, but I wonder for her what her life

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<v Speaker 1>could have become without a baby at seventeen. I wish

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<v Speaker 1>she'd had a chance to find out what she could do.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously, this particular bomb that exploded my mom's life

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<v Speaker 1>has marked me, and over the years, I've become obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with a paradox, this bomber, with this demented sense of

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<v Speaker 1>righteousness is responsible for the birth of a child me,

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<v Speaker 1>but also for the death of a mother, Alice Hawthorne

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<v Speaker 1>at the Olympics. This story has me holding two contradictory

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<v Speaker 1>truths at once. My life was saved and so many

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<v Speaker 1>others were destroyed. I'm going to take you through all

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<v Speaker 1>of it. I'm going to tell you about the ripples.

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<v Speaker 1>But back in ninety seven, all around Atlanta people were scared,

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<v Speaker 1>and the terror, the violence, all that was still far

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<v Speaker 1>from over. Once again, a bomb in the night.

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<v Speaker 3>It happened outside a lesbian club called The Other Side.

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<v Speaker 1>Because there's nails everywhere, and that's I bled on the

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<v Speaker 1>dance floor and.

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<v Speaker 10>All we will be searching out the possibility that we

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<v Speaker 10>have a cereal bomber.

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<v Speaker 7>At latimay Er Bill Campbell.

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<v Speaker 4>We clearly believe that we are dealing with a deranged killer,

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<v Speaker 4>but one who is very clever as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Flashpoint is a production of Tenderfoot TV in association with iHeartMedia.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Your Host, Cola Cassio, Donald Albright and Payne Lindsay

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<v Speaker 1>executive producers on behalf of Tenderfoot TV. Flashpoint was created, written,

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<v Speaker 1>and executive produced by Doug Mattica and myself on behalf

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