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Speaker 1: They argue that you stop for a second, please. For months,

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Speaker 1: Richard Jewel, the security guard who was initially hailed a

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Speaker 1: hero for discovering the bomb, was investigated by law enforcement

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Speaker 1: and bombarded by the press, who framed him as the

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Speaker 1: prime suspect. They speculated that he was a villainous attention seeker,

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Speaker 1: one suffering from hero syndrome.

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Speaker 3: It's also called the Messiah complex, a person who wants.

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Speaker 1: To be godlike.

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Speaker 3: It's again that power thing they want to feel superior

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Speaker 3: to all others.

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Speaker 1: Then six months later, those accusations quietly faded after he

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Speaker 1: was cleared by the US government.

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Speaker 4: With regard to Richard Jewel, I deeply regret that his

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Speaker 4: name was linked to the media. This not only damaged

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Speaker 4: mister Jewell and his reputation, but it caused the FBI

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Speaker 4: substantial damage to its investigation.

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Speaker 5: Richard answered a lot of questions the FDI and other

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Speaker 5: long enforces who followed up, and at the end of

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Speaker 5: the day, there certainly wasn't substantial evidence. It looked like

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Speaker 5: he didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Retired US attorney Kent Alexander remembers the man hunt for

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Speaker 1: the Centennial Park bomber well. He showed up to our

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Speaker 1: interview in the nineteen ninety six at Leant Olympics Polo

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Speaker 1: with a framed letter that he sent to Richard Jewel

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Speaker 1: during the investigation. Can you can you read the letter?

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Speaker 5: Sure? It's addressed to Jack Martin, who's one of several

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Speaker 5: attorneys for Richard Jewel. Says, Dear Jack, this to advise

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Speaker 5: you that, based on the evidence developed to date, your client,

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Speaker 5: Richard Jewel, is not considered a target of the federal

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Speaker 5: criminal investigation at the bombing on July twenty seven, nineteen

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Speaker 5: ninety six, at Centennial Olympic Park in Atlanta. Barring any

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Speaker 5: newly discovered evidence, the status will not change. I'm hopeful

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Speaker 5: that mister Jewel will provide further cooperation as a witness

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Speaker 5: in the investigation. Sincerely, Kent be Alexander, US Attorney.

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Speaker 1: After clearing Richard Jewel, the FBI, atf and GBI, collectively

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Speaker 1: known as the Scent Bomb Task Force, we're left with

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Speaker 5: We had no shortage of potential bombers. The more you

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Speaker 5: dig into things, you realize there are just a lot

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Speaker 5: In fact, at that point, there was still poster that

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Speaker 5: some agent had drawn up. It was a squiggly figure

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Speaker 5: by the FBI. We called him Blobman because there was

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Speaker 5: Blobman pretty much captured the investigation. There were plenty of

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Speaker 1: Suspect episode two. Twin bomb.

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Speaker 3: My wife at the time, and we had twins arrive

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Speaker 1: It's January sixteenth, nineteen ninety seven, six months after the

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Speaker 1: bombing at the Olympics, and Rob Stadler is the news

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Speaker 1: director at Star ninety four, a popular radio station in Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: And because we have the twins, I was able to

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Speaker 3: We put the girls, my daughters in my mini pickup,

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Speaker 3: the news guy on Star ninety four. It's like, okay,

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Speaker 3: So then I dialed up my cell phone and then

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Speaker 6: It's nine thirty five and we go to Rob Standler,

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Speaker 6: our news director, with a breaking news story.

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Speaker 7: Steve, I am at two seventy five Carpenter Drive. This

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Speaker 8: I was in the car with a couple of my

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Speaker 7: You can hear the sirens coming. Fire and Cruise are

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Speaker 9: I was on the third floor of.

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Speaker 8: I couldn't speak. I mean, all I could think was

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Speaker 1: I'm talking again with Leah. You probably remember her from

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Speaker 1: the last episode. Leah also grew up in Atlanta, lived

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Speaker 8: I was born knowing what I want to do from

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Speaker 8: want to go to college. I didn't want to get married,

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Speaker 1: Among the many stories connected to the Olympic Park bombing,

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Speaker 1: Leah's was unexpected and powerful, also complicated. It began the

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Speaker 8: I met Bo when I was fifteen. I was a sophomore.

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Speaker 8: Bo was three years older. He had gotten involved with

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Speaker 8: And for me, the absence and the time away made

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Speaker 8: I wasn't choosing a lifelong partner. And Bo wrote me constantly.

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Speaker 9: That's the most selfish thing. That's not loving somebody.

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Speaker 10: I was hit with a rocket propel grenade in Vietnam,

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Speaker 8: Where were you in the building and where was the explosion.

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Speaker 3: This second explosion, about an hour later, injured a television photographer,

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Speaker 1: Rob Stadler's wife rushed back from trial to her law firm,

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Speaker 3: It was kind of like when you're too close to

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Speaker 5: No one has claimed credit for these explosions.

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Speaker 6: Police say there were no calls to nine one one beforehand,

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Speaker 3: I was in a funk for about six to nine months,

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Speaker 3: definitely a PTSD. That weekend, we have remote broadcasts that

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Speaker 3: I mean. That was the thing is we came within

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Speaker 3: their playpen was directly two floors above where that bomb

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Speaker 3: If I hadn't made that phone call, they probably still

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Speaker 3: But I think that was what weighed especially heavy on us.

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Speaker 1: It's worth noting that the timing and placement at the

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Speaker 1: In light of this, law enforcement was scrambling, just trying

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Speaker 5: I remember that bombing situation especially well because we were

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Speaker 5: They were each on the phone with their respective bosses,

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Speaker 5: and Woody's case it was Louis Free and each of

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Speaker 5: the directors of the FBI and ATF were saying, fine,

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Speaker 5: which is unfortunate for an abortion clinic, but it was

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Speaker 5: so they were going on parallel courses, sharing information here

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Speaker 6: As far as a motive. I know a lot of

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Speaker 5: We took a look at what the purpose could possibly

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Speaker 1: The various task forces may not have been in lockstep yet,

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Speaker 5: One of the things that we focused on from the

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Speaker 5: Fast forward to January the Sandy Springs clinic bombing, there

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Speaker 1: While the motivation behind these three bombs was still unclear,

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Speaker 9: Holy crap, what am I going to do? That was

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Speaker 8: This is like, maybe I'm not supposed to just make

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Speaker 8: that doctor's office that I just knew it wasn't something

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Speaker 8: that I could do, wasn't a choice that I could make.

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Speaker 9: I knew I was keeping you.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's my mom. The circumstances that led to

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Speaker 1: my birth, they're pretty complicated. I'm not okay with any

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Speaker 1: of the bomber's actions. That part isn't complicated to me.

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Speaker 1: But in a fucked up kind of way, you could

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Speaker 1: say that bomb saved my life. There's a Jason isbel

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Speaker 1: song I always come back to. It's called Children of Children,

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Speaker 1: and there's a line in there that says, all the

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Speaker 1: years you took from her just by being born. My

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Speaker 1: mom's my best friend, So for her, I wish she

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Speaker 1: could have had those years back. But I also wish,

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Speaker 1: in this ridiculous alternative multiverse way, that I could have

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Speaker 1: been around to see what her life would have become

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Speaker 1: and what she would have done if she had the abortion.

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Speaker 1: None of this is logical, it's emotional. I'm glad that

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Speaker 1: I'm here, but I wonder for her what her life

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Speaker 1: could have become without a baby at seventeen. I wish

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Speaker 1: she'd had a chance to find out what she could do.

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Speaker 1: So obviously, this particular bomb that exploded my mom's life

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Speaker 1: has marked me, and over the years, I've become obsessed

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Speaker 1: with a paradox, this bomber, with this demented sense of

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Speaker 1: righteousness is responsible for the birth of a child me,

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Speaker 1: but also for the death of a mother, Alice Hawthorne

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Speaker 1: at the Olympics. This story has me holding two contradictory

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Speaker 1: truths at once. My life was saved and so many

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Speaker 1: others were destroyed. I'm going to take you through all

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Speaker 1: of it. I'm going to tell you about the ripples.

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Speaker 1: But back in ninety seven, all around Atlanta people were scared,

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Speaker 1: and the terror, the violence, all that was still far

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Speaker 1: from over. Once again, a bomb in the night.

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Speaker 3: It happened outside a lesbian club called The Other Side.

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Speaker 1: Because there's nails everywhere, and that's I bled on the

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Speaker 1: dance floor and.

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Speaker 10: All we will be searching out the possibility that we

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Speaker 10: have a cereal bomber.

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Speaker 7: At latimay Er Bill Campbell.

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Speaker 4: We clearly believe that we are dealing with a deranged killer,

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Speaker 4: but one who is very clever as well.

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Speaker 1: Flashpoint is a production of Tenderfoot TV in association with iHeartMedia.

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Speaker 1: I'm Your Host, Cola Cassio, Donald Albright and Payne Lindsay

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Speaker 1: executive producers on behalf of Tenderfoot TV. Flashpoint was created, written,

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Speaker 1: and executive produced by Doug Mattica and myself on behalf

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Speaker 1: of seven nine ninety seven. Lead producer is Alex Espastad,

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