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Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Colleen. With today we have podcaster, film producer

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Speaker 1: and actor and retired rapper. But we'll go back to uh,

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Speaker 1: host and producer of holding court is in the building

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Speaker 1: and what do you have us eating today today? I'm

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Speaker 1: eating spicy chicken and French fries. Yes, And this isn't

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Speaker 1: made it all because you told me a million times

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't cook. I don't cook. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how to cook. And I said, surely you got

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Speaker 1: to cook something. And then I think you said egg

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Speaker 1: and I said it. I hate egg whites. It's like

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Speaker 1: eating the napkin. It is terrible. I mean I think

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Speaker 1: even they sell egg whites in a jar now or

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Speaker 1: like it's terrible. I've never liked egg whites. You don't

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Speaker 1: like eating healthy? Actually, that is also true. I actually

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Speaker 1: do not like eating healthy, that is that fact. But

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Speaker 1: I don't like fast food anymore like you. I did

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Speaker 1: a lot of eating out, um and I ate out

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Speaker 1: so much. But if you've ever taken a break from

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Speaker 1: eating out and then go back to it, it just

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Speaker 1: doesn't hit your body the same, right, especially if you

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Speaker 1: get like like McDonald's or something like like, I don't

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Speaker 1: even call it taco bell. I call it boo boo bell.

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Speaker 1: Because you're gonna get it, you better make sure you're

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Speaker 1: at home or close that you're comfortable with doing your business.

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Speaker 1: But um, yeah, this was this was my meal of choice,

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Speaker 1: you know, coming up through the ranks when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid. You know, I think you know, of course inflation,

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Speaker 1: I think you know I used to get you could

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Speaker 1: get a meal like this. Three. I'm so glad you

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Speaker 1: mentioned that. So I of course do the runs to

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Speaker 1: get the food for everybody. I'm very hands on over here.

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Speaker 1: I'm like a dishwasher, food picker up or interviewer, researcher.

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Speaker 1: Just in case you guys think I'm like bigger than life,

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Speaker 1: the reality check is it's not that. But um, when

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Speaker 1: I went to buy these like spicy chicken meals, there

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Speaker 1: was like twenty four dollars. I said, dollars. Damn. I said,

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Speaker 1: are you sure? Did you get the guy behind me order?

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Speaker 1: And she was like, no, you got too spicy chicken meals?

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Speaker 1: And I said, And I was driving back to the

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Speaker 1: student all I could think was, like I thought, a

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Speaker 1: spicy chicken sandwich was like NS used to be. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't twenty years ago. It was it was because I

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Speaker 1: used to. You are right, You are totally right, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I used to when when I was I had my

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Speaker 1: first business, like fast food del Taco, McDonald's. I mean,

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Speaker 1: those guys were like my breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I

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Speaker 1: mean you could search your car for like fifty cents here,

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Speaker 1: five cents piece together a dollar and be like, I

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Speaker 1: got dinner for the night. And then you got creative.

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Speaker 1: If you ate, you know, a double cheeseburger for a dollar,

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Speaker 1: you would be like, you know what through some big

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Speaker 1: Max saus On that you know what I'm saying, Like

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Speaker 1: you started getting creative with was like, no, okay, that's

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Speaker 1: some Kansas city. Yeah. You, by the way, you're from Kansas,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, Kansas, from Kansas City, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: I don't even get the whole set. You say Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: you say it kans So you're from Kansas. Most people

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Speaker 1: say Kansas, Missouri Cans. Let me let me, I don't

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Speaker 1: even know where either of those things are. Don't say

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Speaker 1: that they're gonna be in your comment. I think, and

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Speaker 1: I think of Kansas I think a Dorothy. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: get you on the comments. They're gonna get you on

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Speaker 1: the comments. I'm so most people don't know there's two

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Speaker 1: different Kansas City, Kansas in Kansas City, Missouri are two

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Speaker 1: different states and cities. So Kansas City, Kansas is nine

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Speaker 1: one three. Kansa City, missouris they won six. So when

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Speaker 1: you being from Kansas City, Missouri, then the fighting words. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so which one is dorthy from? That's the that's the

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Speaker 1: Kansas ship. Don't get me wrong, shout out to Kansas

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Speaker 1: because we're still rock with Kansas. But Kansas City, Missouri

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Speaker 1: is a major city. Like they call it Killers City,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's a major city.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, they'm fighting words when you when motherfucker's from

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, travel and we and you go somewhere and

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Speaker 1: people be like, yeah, you saw you from Kansas like

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Speaker 1: they'd be ready to go in. So why don't people

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Speaker 1: just say Missouri? Then, Well, because Kansas City, Missouri is

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Speaker 1: you know, Missouri's big. You got St. Louis, you got Springfield,

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Speaker 1: you got Columbia, you got a lot of learning a

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Speaker 1: lot about geography, for sure. Let's try the sandwich. So

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Speaker 1: I can dig up all your dirt because you have

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Speaker 1: you have a You're like a cat. You have so

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Speaker 1: many lives. I do, I do? All? Right, here we go.

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Speaker 1: You rude your lettus? Yeah, I don't want that. You

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Speaker 1: don't want to let us something judge in mind? Is

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Speaker 1: a spicy chicken a little bit? Not really. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: trade if it ain't right though, I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 1: eat after you. Hope you ain't got cold or not.

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Speaker 1: There's a spicy one, right, Huh. This has a little

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Speaker 1: spice to it. Okay, so I asked for a non

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Speaker 1: spicy just has spice in it. So it's not that bad,

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Speaker 1: you said to Si. You said that we're both spicy. Um,

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Speaker 1: this is pretty good. I'm yeah, I'm gonna have heartburn later,

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Speaker 1: but it's all real. I thought it was gonna be

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Speaker 1: like a little spicy, like a little kick that that's

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Speaker 1: a real king. You know what, It depends, you know,

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Speaker 1: because sometimes it won't be there. Sometime it'll be fire like.

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Speaker 1: That's a little quick m You know what you gotta

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Speaker 1: do for all your listeners you don't like spicy. The

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Speaker 1: greatest thing you could probably do is probably add some

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Speaker 1: ranch to it. To drown it right, that don't work.

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Speaker 1: Watch it, watch it work. I'm surprised. Um, so I

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Speaker 1: did some digging on you. You've been to jail. I'm

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Speaker 1: surprised I didn't get like the home Homie spread. No,

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Speaker 1: I haven't been at like prison or nothing like that.

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Speaker 1: You went to the luxury movie. No, I haven't. You know,

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Speaker 1: listen by Guy's grace. I was in jail at fifteen.

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Speaker 1: So I was in juvenile. Yeah, and you know I

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Speaker 1: was the typical recalcitrant teenager back then, you know, going

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Speaker 1: through my thug ship and my gangster ship, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I went to jail at fifteen. Uh, they were gonna

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Speaker 1: certify me as an adult, basically keep me in and

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Speaker 1: give me. What did you go to jail for? Um,

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Speaker 1: attempting murder, shooting into an occupied dwelling, armed criminal action,

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Speaker 1: and uh, burglary robbery. I arribbed a guns store. What

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Speaker 1: did your mom say? M hmm, what you knew it

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Speaker 1: was coming? But did she did she get the call

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Speaker 1: from Jones like I'm leaving you there? She tried to

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Speaker 1: get the bail money. No, juvenile, I wasn't like that.

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Speaker 1: In juvenile there is no bail and it's funny that

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Speaker 1: you say that in terms of getting out. Um, when

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Speaker 1: I went up for my hearing, I remember not understanding

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Speaker 1: the severity of the of the charges, and I remember

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Speaker 1: going to court and I was kind of like, okay,

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Speaker 1: so when I'm gonna go home, and the judge told

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Speaker 1: me he said home, he was like, man, you can

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Speaker 1: take that out to vocabulary, like you ain't. You ain't

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Speaker 1: going home. So so once you got locked up, you

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Speaker 1: didn't you didn't get to go. No, they were going

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Speaker 1: to certify me, which means this was like so at

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Speaker 1: that time in Missouri, they were trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: how to deal with and sentenced juveniles that commit adult crimes.

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Speaker 1: So they wanted to keep me, give me what they

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Speaker 1: called juvenile life, which keep you in juvenile till you're

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Speaker 1: rest of your sentence. But your attempted murder was kind

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Speaker 1: of by accident, right, because you're shooting into a building. Mhmm.

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Speaker 1: That would do with our separate charges, okay, But shooting

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Speaker 1: into an occupied dwelling that was another incident. The attempted

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Speaker 1: murder was something different. Oh, should I have security? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Any any other things that that, Um no, but this

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Speaker 1: is you weren't scared at all, Like you don't hear

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Speaker 1: about like you know, like when I was a kid

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Speaker 1: growing up, you heard about like how do I say

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Speaker 1: this without getting murdered In today's world, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: get murdered for the statement. What is it? Like when

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Speaker 1: I was a kid growing up, you heard about like

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like you wasn't. There was no part

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Speaker 1: never even crossed my mind. But um, you know, I

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Speaker 1: this thing where you think you're invincible when you're young

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Speaker 1: like that, you don't ever think it will happen to you,

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Speaker 1: I had a good childhood. I didn't necessarily need to

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Speaker 1: you say it was like your friends, your influence, your

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Speaker 1: because you don't want to be victimized, because you start

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Speaker 1: you do some perceivingly gangster ships, some ignorant ship. Then

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Speaker 1: you start leaning into that, and then before you know it,

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Speaker 1: you become that motherfucker you were scared of, Like, damn,

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Speaker 1: I'm just like him. Now. So at what point did

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Speaker 1: where you turned your life around? Um, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say I stopped doing crash out ship

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Speaker 1: at people not getting paid for it, you know what

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Speaker 1: And you're like, no, no, I'm not no, no, it's

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Speaker 1: not that because again you you still have these influence. Again,

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Speaker 1: in the day was weed. It's legal now we're back

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00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: then it wasn't it right, So but it's not like

423
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: I made a lot of money with weed. But I

424
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: did it in volume. So because if I'm getting five

425
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: six hundred pounds at that time, you know, I may

426
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: only be making two hundred dollars off each one. But

427
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 1: it was a volume where I was getting my money,

428
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: so it went off. It's like, damn, this ship is volume.

429
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: So if I get tentities, you know what I mean?

430
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: And I and I'm looking at the residual income. Now

431
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 1: mind you, I don't have this language and a team, right,

432
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: but this is just my common sense. So that and

433
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: you're buying these houses cash cash, yep. I was buying

434
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 1: on cash, and so UM that couple with UM, I

435
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: was putting out independent records to where P as a

436
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: mentor big brother, I was putting my independent ship out.

437
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: He was he was making sure using his influence where

438
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: Southwest and select O some of these distributors would pay

439
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: me upfront from my CDs. So if I got that

440
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 1: thirty thousand units pressed up, I'm getting seven dollars a CD.

441
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: Seven dollars a CD, which is unheard of. No now, yeah,

442
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: it's impossible now, but no, this this is the norm

443
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: back then for independent. When independent, all the people from

444
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: the nineties, they know what I'm talking about. When you're

445
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: dealing with city hall, select those Southwest Gonzalez, all of that.

446
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: So so I had that working along with the hustle.

447
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: So when I moved to Cali, I was I was good.

448
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: I was in a good position. Okay, awesome. At what

449
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: age were you then? It was twenty six when I

450
00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: moved again. Okay, okay, I'm trying to do the method time.

451
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: There's been like a little calculation this day he graduated.

452
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: And this is why I tell people sometimes you know,

453
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: it's just half the battle was showing up, right. Most

454
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: people don't even show up and try. Like I didn't

455
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: know what I was doing in the real estate, which

456
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: I end up building a multimillion dollar real estate portfolio.

457
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: I end up creating a property management company. And I'm

458
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: not formally educated in any of this. Ship I graduated

459
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: high school barely right, not because I wasn't smart, but

460
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: because of my my legal ship and just sucking up.

461
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: But um, and all I did was start. I knew

462
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: nothing about like leveraging I knew. I didn't even know

463
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: what equity was. I didn't know none of that ship.

464
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: So what at what point did you you know you're

465
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: buying this all this real estate? What point does someone

466
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,239
Speaker 1: come along and say, you know you can do this

467
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: with this exactly? Yeah? What what it was is, um,

468
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: it was a lady from a local credit union there

469
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: that I do have a half brother that I met

470
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: once I got grown, and he was our really successful,

471
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: uh successful real estate investor. So he put me with her,

472
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: and I remember the first conversation we had. She was like,

473
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: I think I had on like fifteen properties and she

474
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: was like, you got fifteen property? I was like yeah,

475
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: she was like I was like twenty three. She was

476
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: like free and clear. I was like, yeah, you know,

477
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: like how else someone happened? I didn't know about credit

478
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: you have a lot of credit ASID, and didn't even

479
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: know what the what is that about? That's it perties

480
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: there it is And she's like all I knew? So

481
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: she was like she was impressed, and she was like,

482
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: do you know what you have? And I was like, yeah,

483
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: this is what your ship. I'm getting like five thousand

484
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: a month. Like shit, I'm good, right, So I say

485
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: probably in about three months. About three months later, she

486
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: gave me a line of credit over those properties for

487
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: like eight hundred thousand dollars. And then that's when the

488
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: light bulb went out, like oh shit, I just work.

489
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: I was like, oh ship, Okay, let's repeat now yea.

490
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: And so that's what opened up my eyes to that

491
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: part of the game, you know what I mean. And

492
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: so when I moved, you know, the property management thing

493
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: came in just by accident, you know, just because me

494
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: being from somewhere else and I would run into investors

495
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: and because I traveled a lot and they would have

496
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: properties in Kansas City too, and they'd be like, man,

497
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: you got a good h V A C. Guy, You

498
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: got this guy, And I'm like, I'm from there. So yeah,

499
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: So the end it donned don't be like you know

500
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: what how many properties you got? And what is your

501
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: mama saying while all this is going on. My mom

502
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: was proud my mom. But I had a cool mom.

503
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: Mane I grew. I'm the only child, so it was

504
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 1: always just me and my mama. So even when I

505
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: was doing my criminal ship, my mama knew what it

506
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: was like. She, like my mama, knew I was carrying guns.

507
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: She knew all of that. But I'm just curious what

508
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: that conversation between you and her were like in terms of, oh,

509
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: my son's carrying a gun. She right there with me.

510
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: She know what it. She wants me to be safe.

511
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: She'd rather me get caught with a gun and get

512
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: a car to that I'm dead, you know what I mean.

513
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: So you know, she she she she get on the house,

514
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: hustle with you at some point and say, wow, this

515
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: is a great Uh. No, my mother worked in the

516
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: medical film. Yeah, she was a technician. She wasn't curious

517
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: like my son owned Did she know you own these?

518
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: I bought her house. I gave her one. Okay at

519
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: a young age too. Yeah. My mother actually passed away

520
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: in the house that I bought her and gaged. Sorry

521
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, so you're doing music. At some point

522
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: you decide to retire from music? Why? Yeah? Um, you know,

523
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: I think I was always a little older than what

524
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: people thought, you know, just like now right. And I

525
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: had been doing it for so long up until the

526
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: early two thousands, and I just started to see, you know,

527
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: you got to know when it's time to pivot and

528
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: do something different. You know, the sounds start to changing,

529
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: the culture started shifting, and I started seeing success in

530
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: other arenas, you know, which when I moved to l A,

531
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: I started, Um, I transitioned into getting in the film produced.

532
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: Like my first movie I produced was with me and

533
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: Kat Williams and Lord's Hill Jacobs. I spent like two

534
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: hundred fifty thousand of my own money, right, so, um,

535
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, I just started having affections doing different things

536
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: and I was outgrowing that, you know, because I started

537
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: at like twelve years old. So by the time I retired,

538
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: I'm like twenty six seven. You know, I've been doing it.

539
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: And I felt like you remember the movie Pulp Fiction.

540
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: I do. I saw it when I wasn't allowed to

541
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: see it. Okay, do you remember do you remember when

542
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: I was too young to see if my dad walked

543
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: us right in there, Like, sir, your three kids are older,

544
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm their dad. They're going to see this is what

545
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: And you know, Quin Tarantino is one of my favorite filmmakers,

546
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: and there's a there's a there's a part in there

547
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: with ving Rains says to Bruce Willis's character, he say, uh,

548
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, if you were going to make it, you

549
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: would have made it by now, you know. So that

550
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: was the conversation I had with myself a seven. I'm like,

551
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: I've had some success, some independent success, but you know,

552
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: if I was going to be Little Wayne or whatever

553
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: the case, maybe that ship would have happened by now,

554
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: because back then it was different. I wish more aspiring rappers. Yeah,

555
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: I had that conversation. Shout out to everyone that on

556
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: Hollywood Boulevard in two thousand and twenty two. That is

557
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: the conversation is true. This is true, and you know,

558
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: let me again, I had some success, yeah, just saying

559
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't a Little Wayne exactly. So um,

560
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: and you gotta understand it's different too, because see back then,

561
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: when your ass was knocking on thirty, you was old.

562
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: It's a little different now, you know, but back then

563
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: thirty was like oh ship, So you know, um yeah,

564
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: so I just you know, I found interest in other areas.

565
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: So when you produced the film with Cat Williams, was

566
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: it a win win or was there some failure in there?

567
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: Oh it's ship. It's been failure and everything that I've done. Um. Yeah,

568
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: Like I was telling the Fellers earlier, I failed gracefully.

569
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: I felt all the time I felt. I felt gracefully.

570
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: I felt a lot. I feel like a victim. Then

571
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: I feel like a monster. Then I like internalized. I

572
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: go through all the phases of brief when I fail.

573
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 1: Oh really, oh man, you gotta see you And then

574
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, that's the process that just lets

575
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: you know you're trying, right. So, Um, the failure was

576
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: lack of of of information because I used my own money.

577
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: That was the failure to begin with, because I shouldn't

578
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: have done it, but I had it. I end up

579
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: getting my money back. What it's funny. What's funny to

580
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: that story is Cat Williams was a friend of mine

581
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: Lord's Hill and Jacobs was too, and so I started

582
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: the movie as well, and I end up getting distribution

583
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: for the movie. I flew all the way over to

584
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: the Cans Film Festival to goddamn get distribution with a

585
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: company that was around the corner from my house, and

586
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: then see which was the stupidest thing right, So that

587
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: was failure number two. So, um, I end up getting

588
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: my money back, but they made way more than that.

589
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: I didn't understand the business. You know, I could just

590
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: do it, you know what I mean. So what I

591
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: would have done differently is I would have when I

592
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: say it's a failure, is I would have used my

593
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: money to attract other money and then once I reached

594
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: that target, go pull my ship out. You know what

595
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's what I would have did. But again, yeah,

596
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: I had to do it, you know, I had to

597
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: suck it up to learn. Were you one of the

598
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: first people to invest in Cat? No, he was already

599
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: Cat Williams at that point. He was Cat. He was

600
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: he was a partner. Let me tell you something. I

601
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: love me some Cat Williams. Cat Williams ever blesses this show. Yeah, boy,

602
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: it would be a very happy day for me, I promise.

603
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: You know, me and Cat have had you know, we've

604
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: had a strain uh relationship. But um, he's one of

605
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: the most talented comedians, one of the most intelligent, one

606
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: of the most well read and uh insightful motherfucker's I've

607
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: ever talked to. Yeah, and I think he's very well

608
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: rounded and his delivery and his uh, his perception. I

609
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: love comedians because they have like this nice artistic perception

610
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: and they have to creatively deliver it where you know,

611
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 1: they don't get Will Smith's left. I don't give this

612
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: this this um, I don't give the accolade out loosely.

613
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: But I would say Cat is probably borderline genius. Like

614
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: he's super smart, even off for the stage, he's super smart.

615
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: I just wonder like, is he is he sweet behind

616
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: the scenes or is he like a asshole? All of that?

617
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: All of that, Yeah, that's that's that's the thing about comedy.

618
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: You know, Richard Pryor, you know, there was there was tragedy,

619
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 1: there was there was trauma, there was all of that

620
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: with Richard Pryde, which what is what made him great?

621
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: Same thing with Cat. You know, Cat is an asshole.

622
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: He's he's the sweetest guy on earth. He's the meanest

623
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: eye on earth. He's all of that, you know, depending

624
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: on what catch you get at what moment. You know. Now,

625
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: I haven't been around him in some years, so I'm

626
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: speaking to when I was around him, because you know,

627
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: we all evolve and grow, but he's the he's the

628
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: dude that could be arrogant, be an asshole, just click

629
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: out and just just do some dumb ship. But he'd

630
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: be the same guy to take jury off his neck

631
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: and give it to strangers. He's the same guy who

632
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, give cars away if somebody needs transportation, you

633
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So yeah, he's the same guy

634
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: who his son, Um, he has one son, Micah. His

635
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: siblings micas siblings were you know that the mother was

636
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: going through some drugs. Ship, he went and adopted the

637
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: siblings that aren't even his kids, you know what I mean.

638
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: So he's the same guy that would do that, you

639
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But but that's all of us,

640
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: though all of us have different sides and you know,

641
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: and and and places that we we you know, we

642
00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: could work on. So what got you into podcasting? Um? Shoot, well,

643
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: me and Master P had a show called Doing the

644
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: Most on Playboy Radio about five years ago. That was

645
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: my first introduction to this space. Um, and it was

646
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: Jay Tweezy shout out to Joy J Tweezy, who he

647
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: kind of said, you know what, Court you good at this?

648
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: I was like really, he was like yeah, but I

649
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: think ship of it, you know, so at that time

650
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: came and and went. Um from that, Uh, I had

651
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: a little show at Dash Radio with up there at

652
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: DJ Ski of their own. Is DJ Ski still in

653
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: l A? I think so, I don't know. I know

654
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: that the build is still there, but I don't know

655
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: if he's still there. So I had a little show

656
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: up there, um and then you know, I put it

657
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: down for a few years. But during the quarantine, you know,

658
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: I've always been a big fan of vlad Um of

659
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: Gangster Chronic Coach. You know, I'm watching Dream Champs, I'm

660
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: sitting still. So I felt like I had something to

661
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: offer in this space. And you know, and it's crazy

662
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: because Black gets you know, Black gets a lot of um,

663
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: not a lot, but you know, he gets backlash. Did

664
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: you have you ever interviewed him? I haven't, haven't. I

665
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: think he's on my bucket list. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we

666
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: speaking of bucket list, I mean, I was blessed enough

667
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: when I did start. I started with some of my

668
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: but I started with Iced Tea. I started with Jay Prince.

669
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: They were too But most of the people I've had

670
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: on my show, I've known person I know personally nine

671
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: nine percent of them. But h they're like six degrees

672
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: from separation because I'll be like, homie, your friends are

673
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: such and such you need really, Yeah, I've been around

674
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: for a long time. See, I'll make phone calls, but

675
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: then I'll also do the oh your friends are such

676
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,959
Speaker 1: a such yeah connected, Yeah, I had to do that,

677
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: like as of recently, I've been doing that a lot

678
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: because again, you know, you're running out of friends. Yep.

679
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: That's how it is, you know. And it's funny. One thing,

680
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: I never try to meet or one of the people

681
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: that you looked up to and that you some of

682
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: your favorite artists because it just don't work out. You

683
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: don't be liking them when you get Please God, don't

684
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: let that be for jay Z or Drake. Please don't

685
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: do it that. Like I mean, I feel like jay

686
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: Z can't let you down. He's too He's an evolutionary crosses.

687
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: You never know. You never know, maybe Kanye right now,

688
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: because you never know. You never know. I mean, because

689
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: you know, Iced Tea was someone you know. I have

690
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: Iced Tea paintings in my house of the album cover.

691
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: You have big five by five um of the album

692
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: cover Power. So iced Tea was always someone that you know.

693
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: I grew up. That was the first gangster rap record

694
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: I've ever heard. But iced tea super cool, you know,

695
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: super one hunted like I'm hitting for advice whatever whatever.

696
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: Jay Prince same way, you know, which obviously there's already

697
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: a relationship there no limit and ramp a lot um

698
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: and you know, even with Jay Prince being under fire

699
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: you know here recently, um unfairly out but you know

700
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: I kind of took some heat with that as well.

701
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, but my bucket list would be Magic

702
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: Johnson and uh Mike Tyson. Oh, Mike Tyson would be

703
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: good Tyson. Mike Tyson is one of my favorite people. Yeah,

704
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: if you met him in person, I love me a

705
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: guy that can evolve like like especially when you can

706
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: see the flower. Now, do I want to be patient

707
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: and like stand next to him during his monster face?

708
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I would. I would fight Mike Tyson. I would.

709
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: I would fight Mike Tyson. I would because it would

710
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: be an honor to get knocked out by Mike Tyson.

711
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. My my husband is a

712
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: stand up comic and so he was on one day.

713
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: He comes home, he's like he comes over, he like

714
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: puts his phone and He's like, listen to my set tonight.

715
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, nothing new, you know, maybe he has

716
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: a new joke in there or whatever. He plays a

717
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: set all sun here alright, Mike, like you want to fight,

718
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: you want to fight, and all of the sun not here.

719
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: Oh he's got a gun. You hear the rooms and

720
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm like listening, Yeah he was. He was on stage

721
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: and like some guy pulls out a gun on Mike

722
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: and yeah, that was my husband on stage, and uh

723
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: and all I could think was like, I mean from

724
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: a woman's perspective, it's like, oh my god, like you know,

725
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: there was a small chance that this could have been

726
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: the last time. But then all I kept thinking, and

727
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: I didn't see the clip, was you didn't get off

728
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: the stage, you know, like that would be the time

729
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: to like run duck high. I'm from New York. It's like, yo,

730
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: what do you There's nothing to be discussed, Like that's it.

731
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm out. And he was on stage performing and then

732
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: Michael was like keep performing, you know, and Michael's really sweet,

733
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: but but yeah, I remember hearing the clip at night

734
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: and being like traumatized, like oh man, comics, like you know,

735
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: the club was that yeah, we don't. But it's funny

736
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: when you watch a clip he didn't get off stage,

737
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: and I was like, vaguely, I remember Mike hugging Due.

738
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: He hugged the dude. Yeah, yeah, But I had seen

739
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: just the I had the audio because you know, comics

740
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: or their sets, so I didn't know what I was

741
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: about to listen to. I'm listening for jokes and all,

742
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: and then you hear like Mike's voice, you know, and

743
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: and I just was like what. And then I saw

744
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: the clips on like TAMS the next day, and I

745
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: was like, fool, you didn't get off the stage. We

746
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: have a brand new baby from Shout the Box actually

747
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: did something. He's from Detroit, you know, which he was

748
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: just like he was totally with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

749
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: he was totally with it. And I'm like, yo, I

750
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: get it. You know when I go to First of all,

751
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: when I go to Detroit, Detroit produces some of the

752
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: most amazing entrepreneurs. But it's like Detroit is like an

753
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: island of for me. It's just it's a very conflicting

754
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, houses and neighbors that are

755
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: like the houses are like torn down half time. I

756
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: don't even understand why the city doesn't. If this was

757
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: l A, they would have mold all those houses down,

758
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: like you know, soide is, I don't understand. How do

759
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: you make it out of those environments? Like you really

760
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: have to think big? Yeah you do, a lot of

761
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: it starts with, you know, sometimes leaving the environment. But

762
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: it's it's really start. All that ship is mental perspective,

763
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: Like like, man, listen my neighborhood that I come from, right,

764
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: I come from a neighborhood called the Foe Block one three.

765
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: Oh Um, I lost. I lost my first friend when

766
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: I was thirteen. He was shot in front of me,

767
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: right accidentally, but he died right. So I came up

768
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: with some super talented guys, you know, better looking to me,

769
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: smarter than me had. You know, all of us have

770
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: our different our gifts. Right, But when you look at

771
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: all the people I came up with and you say,

772
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: with damn, why is he the one that was able

773
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: to transcend? It was all just mental. That's it. Not

774
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: set me apart, but just the way I thought, the

775
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: way I looked at things perspective. So um, all that

776
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: ship is mental, you know what I mean? Like whether

777
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: you think you can do something, whether you think you can't.

778
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: Either way you write, it's just you know. Either way

779
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: you're right. That's interesting the way you're right, you know.

780
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: So it's all about perspective. Problem problem. So what can

781
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: you tell us about holding court? Holding Court podcast? Man?

782
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: So again black excellence and niggership. It's the it's the

783
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: same platform where I could have someone like a Chico

784
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: Brown come in who's from Compton, from Corner Pocket Crib

785
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: and he was Freeway. Ricky Ross is co defendant. Actually

786
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: when Ricky Ross got caught up with Blandone and the

787
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: deal for the hundred bricks, those were Chico's bricks. Yeah,

788
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: he Rick Rick was just freeway. Rick was just middleman

789
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: in that. But so I like to document the journey

790
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: people's journey because Chico saying that right. But now he

791
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: works in Compton, he employs Pirrous and cribs, works in

792
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: the community where they they rehab homes, gives some jobs.

793
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: Him and master p just did uh they do a

794
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: Christmas thing and Thanksgiving thing and Compton um every year. Um.

795
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: So I can have someone like a Chico Brown and

796
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: then turn around and have somebody like a Michael John

797
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: White who's a friend of mine, martial artists, you know

798
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: what I mean, movie star, somebody like an iced tea,

799
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: you know. Um. So I just like documenting the Germany journey.

800
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: I even had Chrip mac on there. So I have

801
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 1: influencers and all of that, you know what I mean.

802
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: So I grew up on our Senior Hall show, you know,

803
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: and so I kind of did this this this blend

804
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,959
Speaker 1: of talk show kind of and if you see my set,

805
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: it's kind of like that, um with some influence from

806
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: Gangster Chronicles, influence from and influence from No Jumper, from

807
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: Adam Um and some of some other stuff mixed with me.

808
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: So I love your interview style, like you really. I

809
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: always say like there's there's the year of viewer that

810
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: like kind of pre kind of determines their questions. I'm

811
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: not that type. I don't do that. I'm like, I

812
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: want to be fully invested in everything you have to say,

813
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: and I'm really just trying to pull everything out of you.

814
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: But similar to like Norm from Gangster Chronicles, I think

815
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: we really, I think all of us are us three

816
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: um our podcast really enjoyed the journey of people. Sure,

817
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: you know, sure, and and you know, like I just

818
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: recently did Matt Barnes, you know, And after we got done,

819
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: Matt was like wow, he was like, man, he said,

820
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: you you know, you asked me some ship that I

821
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 1: nobody asked me. Like, even with him being bi racial,

822
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: I love that question. I was shocked. I was like,

823
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: I was just I love that you asked that question.

824
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: I think, um, I'd love that you asked that question

825
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: for a multitude of reasons. And it's not just because

826
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm biracial. But I'm learning and I didn't learn until

827
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: and I tell people this all the time. Trevor Noah

828
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 1: had a book called Born a Crime, and my whole

829
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: life being born by racial I was always torn exactly

830
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: how Matt described it. You know, you're not black enough.

831
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: You to white people. You just nid you know what

832
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And then you're growing up in this really

833
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: toxic environment trying to figure out whatside to choose. And

834
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: it wasn't ntil. Trevor Noah put out the book Born

835
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: a Crime. I don't know if you read that book.

836
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: Amazing at least for a mixed person. I did not

837
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: think I had an identity until I read that book

838
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: and I said, oh, ship, mixed people were a race.

839
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: We're like, we have our own problems. Yeah, and and

840
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: before it's like, you know, black people be like, oh,

841
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: you don't really understand because you know you're not really

842
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: black or or you know, you wouldn't understand. But it's like,

843
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: but we have it, we get we get. My little

844
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: brother who was also a comic, he he had said

845
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: it one time. It's like, um, I think he had

846
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: said this once. Um. It's crazy because even with the

847
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: white side from us, like dealing with the racism or

848
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: the the non equality on the white side of our family.

849
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: It's like you're sitting at the table with someone that

850
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: that you love or you're supposed to love, and they

851
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: love you, but you're not exactly equal, and you're like

852
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: breaking bread with this person. And you know, as a

853
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: black person, you know, you don't want to be the

854
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: nigger that they think you are, so you're like, I'm

855
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: gonna try and go above and beyond. But you're sitting

856
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: at the table with the enemy, you know, like it

857
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: kind of it kind of sucks, but it's it's true.

858
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: Like someone said to me, they're like, you have family here,

859
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I mean, just because they're racist,

860
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: it's like yeah, but just think about that, like you know,

861
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: they're like you know, like yeah, I mean they may

862
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: be a little racist, but like you know, it's it's

863
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: the truth though, like, um, it's a and you know,

864
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: I was born in the eighties. Similar Like when Barnes

865
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: was talking, I think he was saying, like, you know,

866
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: now we grew up in a different era where it's

867
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a melting pop. But like

868
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: you gotta think about like his grandparents, my grandparents that

869
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: grew up in a different era that are like so

870
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: that a mixed, Like how did the identifying your mom

871
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: and dad happened to navigate that ship? Then? Yeah, because

872
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't cool. It wasn't cool. Let me tell you

873
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: the first time I heard the word nigga. I remember

874
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: my parents bought a house and upstate in New York,

875
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: and like my mom's poodle ran on this white person's

876
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: yard and they're like football, kick the poodle. I was like, yeah,

877
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: like you know, leave nigger or something. And I was

878
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: like what And they were like cold to her, and

879
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: my mom's approach was like just keep being nice and

880
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: eventually to realize, like, you know, just a black person

881
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: and you know whatever. And I think if you go

882
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: to that same neighborhood, those people that were calling her

883
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: nigga ironically are like really good friends with her. But

884
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: it took years of her like knocking on their door

885
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: every year, giving her giving Christmas presents, and you know,

886
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: the kids not being allowed to play with us. And

887
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: my mom would always be like, be nice to them

888
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: because the kids are just trained to hate you, but

889
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: they don't really know. You know, you can. But that's

890
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: a lot to go through just to you know, it's

891
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: it's unfortunately you are on the receiving end of that.

892
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: But but that's what I tell people. Man, we if

893
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: you think about it, right, what you're saying that those

894
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: people coming around, right, you know, social media is is

895
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 1: to me, I hate it because you know social media,

896
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: everybody's looking for that aha moment that I got your

897
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: moment like that. No, but they don't want to let

898
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: anyone grow, right, So you know everybody has this lynch

899
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: mob mentality if you did it, if if you like,

900
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: even with the Jerry Jones saying thing not not not

901
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,479
Speaker 1: absolving him of anything, but I mean that ship years ago.

902
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: I know plenty of people I've done ship and said

903
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: ship that I'm not in that same space now, right,

904
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: So you know, we shouldn't have to have these disreputable

905
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: moments where it's like you can't even walk it back,

906
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: you can't even Is that cancel culture? Is that? Is

907
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: that social media both that that should go hand in

908
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: hand because you know, cancel culture is fueled and you know,

909
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: and that ship is supported with social media and popular opinion,

910
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that you know, even with

911
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: Will Smith, Okay, he funked up, but I mean it's like,

912
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: damn dude, been around thirty years, squeaky clean, he sunk

913
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: up one time now just throwing me away. It's like,

914
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: goddamn all flowed. That's none of us are infallible, Like

915
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: like me and you, we're in the media space. We

916
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: may fucking misspeak sometimes, I agree, but I think media

917
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: and that was that was gonna be my next question,

918
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: and I talked about it with my crew all the time.

919
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: Is you know, I'm kind of irritated about what's going

920
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: on with Kanye West because I think at some point

921
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: we have to choose a moral obligation in our thoughts

922
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: and in our moves, and as a media company, I'm like, yo,

923
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: Kanye West. Not an opportunity interview Kanye West right now?

924
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: What I take it? Hell, yes, it's Kanye West. But

925
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: knowing that he's in the middle of an episode, and

926
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: we all know, like you know, we love to claim

927
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: mental health is like super important, super important, super important,

928
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: but he's clearly in the middle of an episode. He

929
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: just went through a divorce, He's he's literally in the

930
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: middle of a trauma war zone, right. Um. Why what

931
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: I don't like about the way they're treating Kanye is

932
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: that in the middle of an episode, he's saying statements

933
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: which they're definitely I get some of his perspective in it,

934
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: you know what he's trying to say, and I get

935
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: what the media is trying to portray what he's trying

936
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: to say. But the thing that really bothers me is

937
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: that the taking away of stuff from him is like, Okay,

938
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: Kanye said this, so we're gonna we're gonna take away this,

939
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna cancel this. He's in the middle

940
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: of an episode, a mental uh psychotic episode. You put

941
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: a mic in front of him, you air it, then

942
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: you micro you know, tear it apart, and and you

943
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: then you punish him for it, And at what point

944
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: do you and do you actually do this? Do you

945
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: feel like you have a moral uh compass when it

946
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: comes to the media that you put out. Do you

947
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: think that if Kanye was on your show and he

948
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 1: said some some of the statements, would you have released

949
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: it for or click or would you have listen? That's

950
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: the one thing about my platform is integrity. Yeah, I've

951
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: saved some of my other guests from ship that they

952
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: don't even know because sometimes they get on there and

953
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: you know, conversation get good and I'll go and I'll

954
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I'm gonna take that ship out. I'm

955
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: gonna do you a favorite, you know what I mean. So,

956
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: um yeah, I'm not because we don't have to do

957
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: it now. I'm for letting people speak their truth and

958
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: letting people, you know, um be, you know, represent themselves

959
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: how they want to. But if I feel like it's

960
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: something that's going to overtly offend someone or overtly hurt them,

961
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to share in that, So

962
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: I do it now. So yes, just so you know,

963
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: I do the same, I will. I've been in the

964
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: business for a long time with my other company, I'm

965
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: the same way. If anything, I'll call like a manager

966
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: or someone to say, you know, I may be concerned,

967
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: you may want to talk to them. Definitely not releasing,

968
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's why we have to

969
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta deal with each other with grace

970
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: and mercy. Man, That's what I hate about social media

971
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: because everybody wants to hold somebody to a standard that

972
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: they can't even hold themselves to. You know, everybody wants

973
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: to hold everybody to some perfection. Like everybody talking like

974
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: even these people pulling ship from Kanye whatever, and it's

975
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: canceled culture. The people doing the canceling dig into their

976
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: ship and see what they got going on. See what

977
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, that's that's what I'm saying. He who

978
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: has not sin cast the first stone. So that's what

979
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: I don't like about. So like, I don't take like

980
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: and this is another thing, and you probably can't agree

981
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: with me on this. It's like we can debate the issue,

982
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, but people get away from debating the issue

983
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: and start attacking the person. You know, we're in such

984
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: a vitriolic, you know space where you know, it's always

985
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: these these pejorative comments and it's always disrespecting ship. And

986
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: you don't even got to do that right, like we

987
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: can have, you know, uh, a convert intellectual conversation. You know.

988
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: So if Kanye came on my ship, I would ask

989
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: him the ship that the real Niggers want to ask him,

990
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: and if people every day people want to ask him,

991
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: and if he said some goofy ship, I would in

992
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: love challenge him, you know. But that's the thing. I

993
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: don't think Kanye ever really says anything goofy, like no, no, no, Now,

994
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't tell you why I say that. He just

995
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: said some goofy ship today. He's autistic, he just said,

996
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: he said he's not bipolar. He might be slightly autistic. Okay,

997
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: well against psychotic episode that I don't even count that.

998
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: But if I look at I remember, I want to say,

999
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: I forgot which album it was, may have been the

1000
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: Heartbreak was the Heartbreak album. I'm not a big Kanye fan,

1001
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I realized a long time ago

1002
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: that Kanye was borderline genius. I was at a listening

1003
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: party of his and I said, yes, okay, yes, and um,

1004
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: but I was like his the way his information flows

1005
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: in and flows out maybe at a higher speeds. That's

1006
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 1: how I feel. But most of his points, I think,

1007
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: if you, if you weren't to tear it apart and

1008
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: you just like listen to it entirely and you like

1009
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: pulled it from a just no judgment zone, there's a

1010
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot that I can't give him

1011
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: genius because he's not saying I get it. Sometimes when

1012
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: he's trying to make points and say ship, yeah, some

1013
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: some of the ship, he's saying it is valid, right,

1014
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: but he ain's saying no prophetic ship that ain't nobody

1015
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: else said. He's not saying anything that's you know, that

1016
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: hasn't been said or it is not obvious. To be

1017
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: a genius to you, you would have to say some

1018
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: like outstanding over the top. Now you gotta say some

1019
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: ship that we don't know already, or say some ship

1020
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: that the average layman motherfucker don't can be like yeah,

1021
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: you know, because you think about it, if he's such

1022
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: a genius, we're only paying attention to him because of

1023
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: the antics. But he was saying, he's been saying this

1024
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: ship forever, Like think about it. He's been right, he's

1025
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 1: he's been But we didn't pay attention to him until

1026
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: I mean his music, right, Yes, he's a great he's

1027
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: a great musician and producer. But when he said, George

1028
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: Bush don't care about black people, so it's the antics, right,

1029
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: Like nobody has ever quoted something he said, They only

1030
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,479
Speaker 1: quote the antics. I'm just curious what has he said

1031
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: that's been to you? A genius? Um, As I spoke before,

1032
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: I loosely, I would say, I said Cat, which hell

1033
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: at a time, you could put him in Kanye in

1034
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: the same boat at a time, and I would say

1035
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: this maybe because I know Cat, uh, you know, know

1036
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: him personally. Um, genius, I maybe genius is a strong

1037
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: We'll take back the genius. I'm gonna I'm gonna take

1038
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: back the genius, thank you, because he's definitely not. But

1039
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: you may have take back the genius from Cat too. Okay,

1040
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: I can't, but I said, I did say genius, like

1041
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: genius and genius. I think jay Z is a genius.

1042
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: But you know what, I do think genius is a

1043
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: very grand title. So I'm gonna take you think jay

1044
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 1: Z is a genius? Why? Um, Because similar to a comedian,

1045
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: he like he takes things in. He's well read, he

1046
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: knows how to communicate in all rooms. He understands chess

1047
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: versus checkers. He plays at a different level, and he's

1048
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Speaker 1: evolved so much over time. He definitely has evolved. Or

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Speaker 1: is it that he's genius enough to put experts around him.

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Speaker 1: I am a firm believer. I'm a firm believer in

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Speaker 1: being the smallest fish in my little pond. I like

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Speaker 1: having better and stronger people around me, and that's genius

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Speaker 1: in itself. I think Kanye is suffering from being the

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Speaker 1: big fish in his pond. Yes, I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. He needs to take all them

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Speaker 1: little baby, because to kick them out of his little

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Speaker 1: there's no checks and balances in his world. And it's

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Speaker 1: it's said, yeah, you know, listen, I pray for Kanye.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think I don't. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: there's an ounce of hate in Kanye's heard. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that he's not a hateful person. He's not, you know.

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Speaker 1: If anything, people need to either just ignore him or

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Speaker 1: or or or get him help, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I don't like about the social media too,

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00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: because they exploit them like like you know, you putting

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Speaker 1: a loudspeaker to his his outbursts. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: Like you don't. The media also say that he's in

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Speaker 1: the middle of a mental episode. But if that's if

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Speaker 1: that's the case, right, stop stop but not only stop

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Speaker 1: putting the mic, but the blog sites like stop picking

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Speaker 1: the ship up, stop making it viral, stop giving it air.

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Speaker 1: You know, because if you guarantee, if Kanye got no attention,

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Speaker 1: he would probably shut up. He would probably shut up,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If he knew that if

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Speaker 1: I say something, no matter what I say, it's gonna

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00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: be on TIMZ, it's gonna be on every blog site.

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Speaker 1: That's power, that's power. He know. He ain't that far gone,

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Speaker 1: you know, he got that right, So so again who

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But the blog sites everybody,

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Speaker 1: like that's where the integrity comes in because I don't,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't traffic in that, like even like

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Speaker 1: we were talking about with still even with the controversial ship,

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00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: like the clubhouse ship and all that type of ship,

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00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: like it's a place for it, I guess, but I don't.

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Speaker 1: I just I feel like you don't have to do that.

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Speaker 1: You ain't really gotta play dirty in this game for real,

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00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: if you just create, if you really have a skill

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Speaker 1: set and you create some compelling content, some ship that resonates,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: it ain't gotta be all stiff and serious, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know I'm not above being a cheerleader

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Speaker 1: for foolishness. You know what I'm saying. So um, you

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Speaker 1: know I I do some nigga ship too, and say

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00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: some nigga ship, but you know I ain't trying to

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00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: tear nobody down or exploit nobody in that. And if

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Speaker 1: I am tearing you down, it's in up. I allow

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Speaker 1: you to tearing me down. I tell everybody around me

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Speaker 1: the day you throw a stone at my glass house,

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Speaker 1: just no, yeah, I may not have noticed you were

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Speaker 1: in a glass house before, but now it's game on.

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00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: Like I told him back fast, I'm like a little

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Speaker 1: rock gun man. That's the funny thing you say that

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Speaker 1: I always say. I don't throw any stones. Listen. I

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Speaker 1: don't even sneeze or breathe hard in my house because

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Speaker 1: the how the glass in my ship is very thinly

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Speaker 1: thinly failed glass. So if I breathe too hard, that

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Speaker 1: ship shaw. So I definitely ain't throwing no rocks. If

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Speaker 1: if you throw one stone at me, I promise you.

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Speaker 1: I may not have noticed you're in a glass house,

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Speaker 1: but I assure you before that stone hits my glass,

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Speaker 1: I realized you're in a glass house. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: firing at all. Yeah, the culture is, man, we need

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Speaker 1: more love, more grace. And again I'm not no we

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Speaker 1: are the world type motherfucker. But I'm just saying we

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Speaker 1: need more balanced man, like you know what I mean

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Speaker 1: that and that's what That's what my podcast, that's what

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Speaker 1: I tried to bring to the game. It's just balanced.

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Speaker 1: Like p calls me to hip hop Oprah. You know, man,

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Speaker 1: people man, you like the hood Oprah because you know,

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Speaker 1: I hadn't had real killers, like real street niggas coming

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Speaker 1: to mind, I haven't had a couple of niggas cry

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Speaker 1: on my show, you know, so, which to me is

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Speaker 1: an honor, you know, because they felt so comfortable and

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Speaker 1: so vulnerable. Hell I even started crying one time, you

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Speaker 1: know me and what's hold me quine share the moment

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Speaker 1: talking about our deceased parents. So I like to be

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Speaker 1: able to, you know, represent the culture in a different way.

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Speaker 1: You know. I like to when I say, like, represent

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Speaker 1: the evolved nigger, you know what I'm saying, and have

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Speaker 1: that balance like that. I think the culture needs it.

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Speaker 1: I think society needs it. I think, yeah, definitely, definitely.

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Speaker 1: And I think having real conversations and and and not

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Speaker 1: all the bullish it and the gloss and you know,

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Speaker 1: and and just even if we disagree, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: just really just learning from each other, you know. So

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Speaker 1: I'm all about love, man, I ain't you know? We

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Speaker 1: got enough of the hate, the hating and the hate

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Speaker 1: and all the bullshit, you know. So yeah, that's what

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Speaker 1: my podcast represents. I love it. I love it. I

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Speaker 1: thank you for coming on our show. Thank you for

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01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: having me. You didn't take your hair down. My hair

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Speaker 1: was always down, you all I have. I actually keep

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Speaker 1: my hair and braids is my favorite thing to do.

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01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: But braids be costing a lot of money nowadays. You

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01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: try to find out braid. Finding a braid is try

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Speaker 1: and get a good that you got all that good ship?

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Speaker 1: Ain't that the good? The good good good good the

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Speaker 1: curly hair front. Well, I'm going to finish this chicken

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01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: sandwich because I'm starving. Um, But where can our fans

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01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: and listeners find you out on socials. Um you can

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Speaker 1: follow me on I G and I am Big Court,

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Speaker 1: follow Holding Court podcasts on I G Facebook, Big Court,

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Speaker 1: and subscribe, like in comment to my podcast on YouTube

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Speaker 1: Holding Court Podcast and also I'm on too bet tv

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Speaker 1: as well to Be. I want to join you on

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Speaker 1: to Be. Oh Yes, let's do it alright. Peace out y'all.

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