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Speaker 1: And I said, somebody else will pull you back. Somebody

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Speaker 3: Live on the edge, play on the es, but do

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Speaker 2: So it started in training camp when we went against

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Speaker 2: We had so many fights that Sean Payton made us

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Speaker 1: What up, everybody.

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Speaker 4: I'm Peanut to him, and this is the NFL Players

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Speaker 4: Second Acts podcast and with me as always as my

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that, Peanut. Look, I'm just really excited for

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Speaker 3: our next guest. He's one of my best friends.

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Speaker 4: I want you to I want you to do the

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Speaker 4: intro for this guy. Oh, you want me to do

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Speaker 4: it because I gotta read a couple of things. But

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Speaker 4: I feel like it's so natural when you just say

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Speaker 4: If he's one of your best friends, were gonna test

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Speaker 4: if you know some of this stuff if he just

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Speaker 4: he not just saying it, just to say it. So

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Speaker 4: I want you to introduce one of your best friends.

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, let's start it from the from the top.

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Speaker 4: The original Wark husband wife, Yeah, the second. He's the

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Speaker 4: president of Coral Gables himself. He went to the U

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Speaker 4: all right, he was a twelfth overall pick.

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Speaker 3: Don't look at a two thousand and four draft. I

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Speaker 3: didn't know what number he was. I knew he went

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Speaker 3: shout out, you know, I mean super Bowl forty four, my.

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Speaker 1: Guys, super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: And he's now a color commentator for on Fox, covering

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Speaker 3: all NFL games on Sundays, and you can watch him

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Speaker 3: shout out to my boy, Jonathan Willma, then we go,

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Speaker 3: John Boy.

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Speaker 1: That was an intro.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: I probably would have did it better. All he did

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Speaker 4: was look, I could have did that. I thought you

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Speaker 4: was just going off the cup.

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Speaker 3: Buddy, No, because I didn't know all the numbers specifically,

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. That's is like, then we

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Speaker 3: So jab you know, we we do this podcast has

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Speaker 5: To one of the bigger influences on myself and my career.

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Speaker 5: Really it's hard to split them up. But Jonathan Vilma

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they still still can't let it go. They're still mad.

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Speaker 4: But you was just like, man, I won my case,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say it cuts both ways, right, Even

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Speaker 2: So for me, I've always been pretty grounded and Roman

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Speaker 3: All right, injury year, Yeah, and then you finish up well, dude,

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Speaker 3: it was all whatever, like we were so banged up,

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Speaker 3: It was shot in there too.

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Speaker 2: He was in and out. Remember I got hit in

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Speaker 1: Yes, this guy Sean was crazy in the trading room. Yes,

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Speaker 4: That's the post podcast, tell them stories.

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Speaker 2: I was like, man, what am I gonna do? Like, man,

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Speaker 2: can kind of work on your craft, get a little

438
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 2: better before the season starts. So I was like, man, man,

439
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be really sad. So I'll never forget. I

440
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 2: went grab some food. I was over at Dave and

441
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 2: Busters grab some food over there, and I'm sitting at

442
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 2: the bar and I'm looking up and I'm watching how

443
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 2: ESPN would go like around the nation to the teams

444
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,959
Speaker 2: and show training camp. And so I looked up and

445
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 2: I remember I'm watching it was an Eagles training camp

446
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 2: they were talking about, and I.

447
00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 1: Was like, this sucks. Oh that looks hot.

448
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 2: I don't want any part of anything going on in

449
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 2: that training camp. I was like, I don't want to

450
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: do training camp. I'm good, right, And so that was

451
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 2: the first time I actually, instead of feeling all this

452
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 2: way to feeling down.

453
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: Actually was relieved.

454
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 2: I was like, I feel great, I don't have to

455
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 2: be doing that. That looks tiring. I don't want to

456
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 2: do any of it right. And at that moment, that's

457
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 2: when I knew I gave the NFL, gave playing football

458
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 2: everything I had right. I didn't leave anything on the

459
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 2: table right, Because most times you have players, they have

460
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 2: a little regret if I had done more right, and

461
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: they want that opportunity to make up for that one

462
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 2: time that they didn't do whatever it was, work hard

463
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 2: enough or whatever it is right. I didn't have that.

464
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 2: So fast forward, because you ask me why didn't retire.

465
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 2: For a couple of years, I'm working out with Jimmy

466
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 2: and the offseason again, and that's when we were going

467
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 2: through like this whole contract and stuff. And for me

468
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 2: it was pretty peaceful because I had no interest anymore

469
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 2: and really playing. I was just like, I love working

470
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: out obviously, love hanging with Jimmy, want to see him

471
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 2: get paid.

472
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: But for me, I was like, if someone calls cool,

473
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 1: if not, I'm aoka.

474
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: And that kind of moment of clarity watching the Eagles

475
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 2: training camp, realizing I wanted no part of that and having,

476
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 2: you know, a sense of relief knowing that I did

477
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: everything I could when I played.

478
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: That was it, man, That really was it. That's why

479
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: there was no rush. It was all good. Okay, I

480
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: called it.

481
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 4: You say, when you're working out with them, now, I

482
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 4: would I beg the different I would. I would say,

483
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 4: you were being a good teammate even though you have yeah,

484
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 4: they released you or they weren't renewing your contract. Would

485
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 4: I would say, no, that's you're being a good teammate,

486
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 4: being on the team or not. I think you were

487
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 4: being a good teammate and that just what makes who

488
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 4: the person.

489
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Speaker 1: Who you are. And we'll be right back. I've been

490
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: in two Super Bowls.

491
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 4: I've been in two really good teams. One in Carolina

492
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 4: for Super Bowl fifty and one in Super Bowl forty one.

493
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: With the Bears here right out here. Yeah that was right.

494
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 4: Yeah Yeah, great team, great locker room. We had chemistry,

495
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 4: all the good things that make you have a really

496
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 4: good team. Two thousand and nine, you guys a Super

497
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 4: Bowl run?

498
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 1: Right?

499
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 4: What made that team so special? With leadership and talent.

500
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 2: The first part of what made us so special. We

501
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: genuinely liked each other. Off the field. We had if

502
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 2: you remember Rome, remembering the offseason, we actually would just

503
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: hang out. We go watch the NBA finals, have a

504
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 2: great time. Any any chance or opportunity we had outside

505
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: of football to just hang out, we would. And it

506
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,239
Speaker 2: had been so I came from the Jets. It was

507
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: not like that, right, And I'm not going to talk

508
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: bad about about the Jets. It's just that the the environment,

509
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 2: the culture was different. And so when I got to

510
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: New Orleans the first year kind of just filling it

511
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: out right, O. Wait, and then nine that's when we're

512
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 2: actually just hanging out having a great time. I'm like, man,

513
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: this reminds me of my um days. Because we genuinely

514
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 2: liked hanging.

515
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: Out with each other. So that was the first say.

516
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: The second is to be very frank.

517
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 2: We were we were brainwashed and Roman you know what

518
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. We were brainwashed defensively because we only

519
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 2: knew one speed. When I say one speed, it wasn't like, oh,

520
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: go hard speed, it was go until someone tries to

521
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 2: fight you because you're going way too hard speed, like

522
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: that type of speed.

523
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: And I say, somebody else will pull you back. Somebody

524
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: will pull you back.

525
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 3: And I want you to go live on the edge,

526
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 3: play on the es, but do not hurt the team,

527
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 3: but go over the edge.

528
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: Go I'll pull you back, somebody pull you back.

529
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: So it started in training camp when we went against

530
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: our offense, and man, we had so many fights we had.

531
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 2: We had so many fights that on Payton made us

532
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: run until we stopped fighting like that. That's how many

533
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: fights we had because we couldn't get through practice and

534
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 2: the fights were stemming from us going.

535
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: Hardcoret hard court.

536
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: I forget one hundred miles an hour, we're at like

537
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: two hundred just going going right in practice, in practicousand percent.

538
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: He's not in practice. So I mean and Sean people.

539
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: Were flying around the quarterback.

540
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 3: Sean is not like like that, did anybody ever hit

541
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 3: Drew didn't?

542
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: We got closed.

543
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: We were we were We were definitely kind of trading

544
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: the line there.

545
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: But the backup quarterback, oh, he had no shot. That

546
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: was Chase chasing Mark Burnell.

547
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: Had no shots. Were like I said, we're brainwashed. Just

548
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 2: go right. And so that carried over to our first

549
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: what do they call the practices with the other team

550
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 2: in our in the squad or whatever it's called, right,

551
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: that was Houston.

552
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: Wasn't Houston. It's always fights when you do them right.

553
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: But so this is what happened. We had a bunch

554
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: of fights.

555
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 2: But the fights weren't because of guys you know, doing extra.

556
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: The fights were and they admitted this to us after

557
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 2: the fact. They were trying to protect himself, like they

558
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: they had not had a practice amongst each other where

559
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: the guys went that hard. And so we'll take I'll

560
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: give you a great example. We go and we were

561
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: taught you hit the running back, but you run your

562
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: feet so he stops his forward progress and then you

563
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: let him go right. So we but a lot of

564
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: teams they would just kind of just tap off, right.

565
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: So we go to practice against them, and we go

566
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: and bo. We hit the running back. We're not trying

567
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: to take him down. He just he just didn't realize, like, oh,

568
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: this is how they practice. So then he throws a

569
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 2: ball us. He's mad at us, like we did something.

570
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: We're like, we're just doing well. We've been taught, brainwashed

571
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: right on how to practice is.

572
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: All we know.

573
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 3: Not only one person would do it, but like most

574
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: every people, everybody right, because run to the ball, right,

575
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: that's good defense.

576
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: The same thing.

577
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 4: It was literally the same thing Chicago. Yeah, the same

578
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 4: exact thing. This is right up the proper thud. You

579
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 4: got to thut them up, don't let them just run

580
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 4: through exactly exactly.

581
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: So we took that to heart, right, So I give

582
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: that example because that started a fight. The old line

583
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: things we're trying to tackle their guy. Well, I we're

584
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 2: not trying to do that same thing on the offensive side. Shocky,

585
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 2: he was used to the way that we were thudding up.

586
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: So he's running through the Texans defenders and they think

587
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: that he's trying to run them over, and he's like, no,

588
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: this is what we've been doing for the past two

589
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: weeks with in our camp. So this is where I'm

590
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: used to. That started a fight. So long story short,

591
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: we beat the brakes off of them right in the game.

592
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: It was like thirty eight nothing right, We just beat

593
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: the hell out of them. And afterwards they were like,

594
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: now we realize what it is, because then we go

595
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: on to win the Super Bowl. So the next time

596
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: we had that inner squad the next year, they're like,

597
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: now we realize what it is to really practice and

598
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: take it to the next level. So that was my

599
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: long winning answer saying that was the second thing that

600
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: made us really good, And the third thing that made

601
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: us really good was Drew Brees.

602
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 4: There.

603
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: I don't know what I can say that people don't

604
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: know about him, besides the fact that he was everything

605
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: you would hope for in a great player. We had

606
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: a bunch of really good players. We had a bunch

607
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: of good players, and really good players. He was a

608
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: great player, and he was everything we could have hoped

609
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: for because he was a guy when you talk about

610
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: having a rock foundation all these things, he was a

611
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: guy that he wasn't just consistently good, he was consistently great.

612
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: And knowing you can fall back on that, that gave

613
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: us defensively all the confidence you need in the world,

614
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: where we'll go all out blitz. If we don't get there,

615
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: we give up a touchdown. We got drew right, like

616
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: how many? That was our job that get the offensive

617
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: ball back?

618
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: Right. I didn't want to say anything luxury. We didn't

619
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: have that.

620
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 4: Like we had some really good defenses my time in Chica.

621
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 4: We had some great possibly the three Hall of Famers

622
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 4: on our defense, and but our our message in Chicago

623
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 4: was like I remember, Lovey. Lovey came in to the

624
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 4: to the to the defensive meeting room one day and

625
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 4: we had just gotten Pep and he was like, all right, guys,

626
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 4: you know we're playing we're playing the Saints. Hey, defense,

627
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 4: we gotta score some points. We got to shut them

628
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 4: out and we gotta score. We gotta score. We gotta

629
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 4: score maybe twice. And yeah, it was.

630
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: It was something like that.

631
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 4: And Pep goes, you know, so we go, love he

632
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 4: has this message, he says what he says. Then Love

633
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 4: he leaves and Pep goes.

634
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: Hey, yo, nut, what about the offense? Yo?

635
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 4: They get the ball like we got a quarterback and

636
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 4: a receiver and a runner back in the line, Like

637
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 4: they's a postal score. That's why it's offense. And I

638
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 4: was just remember saying. I was like, bro, welcome, It

639
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 4: is all about the Defense's the midway, Like, get used

640
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 4: to this. I don't care who we have this this

641
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 4: town loves defense. They love us no matter who are

642
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 4: always this whole town is just built on defense. This

643
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 4: whole team is built on defense. Yeah, we gotta score.

644
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 4: But he was like, but they got an offense, we

645
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 4: have offensive players. I was like, I know, but it

646
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 4: ain't like that right now, bro, Like it's just.

647
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sucks for you. And that's what he was like.

648
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 4: He was like, no, this is not normal, Like you

649
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 4: gotta have an offense. I was like, I know, but

650
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 4: that's just that's just how it is right now. Brod

651
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 4: just you just gotta roll with the punches there. So

652
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 4: I'm jealous of the fact that y'all was like, now,

653
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 4: just get back to the offense. Get a ball, back

654
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: to the offense.

655
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: That that that's really the way we looked at it,

656
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: and we didn't care. Ju could throw three interceptions. We

657
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: didn't care. He was gonna find a way to get

658
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: us to a w Right, That's that's just what it was.

659
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: So those three things and then obviously a little love. Right,

660
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: you gotta have a little luck in the league. We

661
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: had that that year. But you know, I think back

662
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: to that Vikings game NFC Championship. We got the five takeaways.

663
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: That's obviously the reason why we won that game. But

664
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: I remember they had when I say, Pro bowlers on

665
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,239
Speaker 2: top of Pro bowlers, right from the d tackles that

666
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: they had to Jared Allen right to offensive. They had

667
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: Brett Fahrv He's playing his best ball to the O line,

668
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: Adrian Peterson, and I remember Washingidney Rice was Sydney Rice.

669
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 2: Remember that Percy Harvin had made the Pro Bowl. But

670
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: I remember we're, yeah, exactly right, So he was a monster.

671
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: Different, Yes, special player. Yes.

672
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: So I remember we're on the sideline, we're you know,

673
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: we're locked in trying to figure out how to stop

674
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: far And I remember there was a point where their

675
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: defense was just giving it to offense, right, which is expected.

676
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: They're a good team.

677
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: And in my head, I'm like, damn, they got guys

678
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: at every level, like how are we going to put

679
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: points on the board? And then sure enough, you just

680
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: see Drew just find a way, right, You just see

681
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: Drew just duca Jared Allen bro make a throw that

682
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: we needed, right, it's a third and seven, he gets

683
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: eight yards. It's always just whenever we needed the great

684
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: Drew Brees to come out, he did right. And then

685
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: even on the last drive, remember we needed it was

686
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: we run four on fourth. I don't know if you remember,

687
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: but it was like fourth and short. And when I said,

688
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: we got it by like the narrowest stuff, narrowest margins,

689
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: and I was like, true right, I'm like, Drew gotta

690
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: love that guy.

691
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: And then we end up winning.

692
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: So that was it, man, That was our formula, to

693
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: be honest, Not not much there besides camaraderie, hard work

694
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: and a great quarterback.

695
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 4: It literally you just described Chicago and six and then

696
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 4: you described Carolina in twenty fifteen, like the really good

697
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 4: team hang out outside of football, whether it's going to

698
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 4: a bar, watching a having a drink, having dinner, going bowling,

699
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 4: just going over someone's house, paintballing, just finding something to

700
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 4: do outside of the facility. And I think those players

701
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 4: or those teams, those players on those teams that do that,

702
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 4: they have the most success.

703
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised to hear that story at all.

704
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I was always twenty fifteen was a

705
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: very unique year for me, you know, giving my so

706
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: much to.

707
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: The city of New Orleans, right, loving that place. Yeah,

708
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: we called you a trader.

709
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: How much fun we had, and then going to Carolina

710
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden having that type of success.

711
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: I'll never forget.

712
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 3: In twenty fifteen, as we're like ramping up and going

713
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: through the playoffs, you called me and we're like, dude,

714
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 3: He's like, I'll be interested to see you guys gonna

715
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: go win the super Bowl because we were like killing everybody.

716
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: Wasn't even close, wasn't that cam one? Yeah? Yeah, Like we.

717
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: Were destroying everybody that year, walking away with it, and

718
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: you're like, dude, you guys gonna win the super Bowl. Like,

719
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: I'm very interested to see if you retire with them

720
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: or you come back with us.

721
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: That's right, Like it was like a big deal.

722
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: You're like it was because you had you had, I mean,

723
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: equally good years I did, right team, So I was like, man,

724
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: and then that's when I started calling you a trader.

725
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: So I had the guilt him of coming back to

726
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: New Orleans, man, Like that.

727
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 4: Is there a play that sticks out in your I

728
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 4: think there's probably one play that I would love to

729
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 4: have back, But is there a play that you would

730
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 4: like to have back as a defensive player, Like damn,

731
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 4: I wish I could have made that tackle, or I

732
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 4: wish I would have called a different defense out of it.

733
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: Okay. So I'll give you a not so serious one

734
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: and I'll give you a real one. Okay. So on

735
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl.

736
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 2: Run, we're playing the New England Patriots at home Monday

737
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: night football. We're smacking him. We crushed him. First time

738
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 2: I ever saw Brady get pulled out of the game early.

739
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: And they had Lawrence Maroney if you if you remember him,

740
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 2: and he's they ran like a little draw play. I

741
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: come up to make the tackle. He gives me a

742
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 2: little wiggle. I miss. Roman goes to make the tackle.

743
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: Roman gets run over and then everyone's like, ooh right,

744
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: they see you get down.

745
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: But he went down. Yeah, he tackled me. Went down.

746
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: He trucked on me.

747
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 2: He tackled him, and I felt so bad. I immediately

748
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: went to Roman and I was like, my bad man,

749
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: I helped it. I felt so bad because I make

750
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: that tackle nine out of ten times. Yeah I missed

751
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: that one. And then now my dog gets run over

752
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: because I missed the tackle. I was felt bad, man,

753
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: and I still remember it to this day. So I

754
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: was like, my bad room. He's like, oh, it's all good,

755
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 2: but I like really felt bad.

756
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 3: Because I run at full speed and then when he

757
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: shakes vilma, now I gotta stop because I can't just.

758
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: Tea you off now, and I'm like, then I just

759
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: got to accept it.

760
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: When he just dropped, yeah, my bad, just like boom, well,

761
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: it was like oh and then I just called him

762
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: and he just whole crowd with whatever.

763
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: So imagine I'm watching it from from the back end,

764
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: like damn it. Yeah, I'm damn man made the tackle,

765
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: but on a serious one two thousand and twelve divisional

766
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: game versus the forty nine ers in San Francisco. It's

767
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 2: the last their last scoring drive. And I'll never forget

768
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 2: this man. We are in cover two. We played Cover

769
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: two as well as anybody played Cover two all season long,

770
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: and he was throwing to and you know, you can

771
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: kind of feel it during the series, like where he

772
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: wants to go? He was throwing to, who's our man

773
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: the tight end? Vernon Davis, Vernon Davis, everything in me?

774
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: The on paper, I'm supposed to turn Cover two on

775
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: the middle of the field, wearing the red zone the road.

776
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: It's really just turned my hips. I gotta go to

777
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: the two receiver side. Everything in me said, bro, just

778
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: turn to Vernon Davis. Everything in me, But I was like,

779
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: I gotta in that unlikely event he goes to the

780
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: two receiver side. I can't be the one that is

781
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: messing around, turning this way, turning the wrong way, right

782
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: in a divisional game. So I turned to the two

783
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: receiver side. Sure enough, Smith, Alex Smith zips it. When

784
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: I say, he zips it right behind me, and I

785
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: couldn't turn flip my hips fast enough to make a

786
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: play on it. Vernon Davis catches it touchdown. We lose

787
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 2: a game that was a team that, to a man,

788
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: better than our O nine team, we would have won.

789
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: We would have won the Super Bowl again, or let

790
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: me rephrase that we had. If you remember there's the Giants,

791
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: they end up going to Super Bowl winning it. We

792
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: had played them like four weeks prior. Remember that Roman

793
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: we beat the breaks off on man. We just sent

794
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 2: them pack, sent them pack, and we beat them boy

795
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: like twenty whatever it was. So we couldn't wait to

796
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: play them again. And I'll never forget that play because

797
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: I was like, if I just you know, you just

798
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: trust your gut, and most times you trust your gut.

799
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: And I was like, but I couldn't be the guy

800
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: that in the event he did throw it the other

801
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: way that everyone says, damn, John, you turned the wrong

802
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: way and cover two like in the red zone. But

803
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 2: he ripped that ball right behind me, and I was like, God,

804
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 2: I knew what. Yeah, that one hurts. That one hurts.

805
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 4: I think the one for me that I would love

806
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 4: to what play I would love to see back again

807
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: is the one in twenty ten Beast Quake.

808
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: Wait, you're not on this? What are we doing? How

809
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: do you allow Peanut to do this?

810
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: Oh?

811
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I want this play back? So I

812
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 4: would just love like I want this play back.

813
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: Get out of here.

814
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 4: Alex Brown missed the tackle twice. I don't know what

815
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 4: you're doing.

816
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: Let me touch a clean given effort though.

817
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 4: Home you just like touch a clean life. So let

818
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 4: me tell you what's up with this one?

819
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: All right? So, first of explain, you're the world the

820
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: Fox commentary on this.

821
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: You are the world's biggest hitter. So let's let's make

822
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: sure that that gets out there. In the commentary, Okay,

823
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: on that play. First of all, not to make any excuses,

824
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: Marshawn was already running like a beast before that.

825
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: Let's just start there. Now you're asking where I was.

826
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: It was a power I boxed it.

827
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: I boxed it back to my linebacker, Scott Shanley, and

828
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: I'll never forget. You'll see me right, Oh ye, Land

829
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: Shanley had made this tackle lord knows how many times

830
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 2: in the season. And I was with Shannon what six years?

831
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: That was his tackle and he made that so many times.

832
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: While I'm getting blocked, I'm like, great job, Shanley, because

833
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: I already assumed he made the tackle, and I'm over

834
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: here setting the That's all exactly, That's all we had

835
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: to do, right And so oh.

836
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: He's boxed then he it ain't nowhere to go, right,

837
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: So what is gaps? Right there? Shanley has made that tackle.

838
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: If you just watched Shanley's film, he made that tackle

839
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: so many times before he even like started engaging attack.

840
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: I said no, no, no. I didn't say damn it, Shanley.

841
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: I was like, I did, that's me. I can hate No,

842
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: that's my team, man. Because look, everybody was like I'm

843
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: sitting there like, all right, Shanley, all right, and then

844
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: I'm watching mar Shawn kind of break from like oh man.

845
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: And after that, I mean it was a rap bron.

846
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's nothing to comment on him.

847
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 4: He's so what I would like to do is start

848
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 4: this play from the beginning, and I want to hear

849
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 4: the Fox play by Playboy play.

850
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: Can you do that right now?

851
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: All right, let's see here, big hater, prenut tillman, this

852
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: is a big play in the game. Here. See what

853
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: happens at second and ten. They're running a power and

854
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: oh it's a mistackling. You know, you're still a hater.

855
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: I hate you for having us have this play again.

856
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: But he's going, Marshawn, Marshawn, He's going. He stopped Alex

857
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: Brown too soft. Can't do it. Roman Harbor, don't know

858
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: what you're doing. But we still hate Peanuts. Something touchdown,

859
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: Marshawn Lynch.

860
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 4: I love it anytime I can throw shade at the Saints,

861
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 4: especially with Rome. I do it every chance I see that.

862
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 4: He doesn't to me, So it's like it's it's a

863
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,479
Speaker 4: love hate thing. He does it to me all the time,

864
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 4: and he does it, especially with my university. He hates

865
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 4: on lafy hat is so bad. I don't know.

866
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 1: Why they have a football. Oh my god, I quit.

867
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: You know.

868
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: The real funny thing though, JV is like I remember

869
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: going out to Seattle. We get out there early, we

870
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 3: were way too confident. Our team was beat up, we

871
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: were injured a lot.

872
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had down like our fourth running back. Yeah,

873
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: and like we got off to a good start. Then

874
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: all of a sudden things crumbled. Yep.

875
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 3: I gave up a touchdowns double move. Didn't like to

876
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 3: fall down play. I didn't even That was the first

877
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: time that had ever happened on me before.

878
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: Ye.

879
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: And I just remember like middle of the game, you

880
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: like looking like no Rome, like tighten up, dog like

881
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 3: let's not there's no doubt, Like we're still gonna go

882
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 3: do this. And we made a run back at him.

883
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: But ultimately, is there a thing as a super Bowl hangover?

884
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: Good question?

885
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: The way that I gotta give a long when it answered,

886
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: Actually all give you a short I'll say no to start,

887
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: and then I'll give a long answer.

888
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: The way that we want we won the Super Bowl.

889
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 1: The way that we.

890
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: Worked out that offseason mini camp, training camp, we faced

891
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: the Texas again. As as we mentioned, we we did

892
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: not let up, or we didn't at each other let up.

893
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: So I felt like our workouts were very hard, very competitive.

894
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: I felt like mini camp, training camp. All that was

895
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: very hard competitive. What happened was we lost a game

896
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: of attrition. We ended up man. We were not even

897
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: on our corners. We were down guys, our running backs,

898
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 2: we were down guys wide receiver. So, as I mentioned,

899
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: when we won the Super Bowl, you got to get

900
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: a little lucky, right. Health is part of it, and

901
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: we had so many guys down we had to bring

902
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 2: in Julian Julia Julius Julius Jones.

903
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: We had to bring in Julius Jones off the street.

904
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 2: So I would say at that time, because we beat

905
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: Seattle early in the season, but at that time you

906
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: had a team from Seattle that was very confident. They

907
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: were obviously doing very well, started to they were on

908
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: like this trajectory, and we, frankly weren't on that trajectory.

909
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: Like you, you tell me the last time you've seen

910
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: a team winn a Super Bowl with their four team

911
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 2: running back? Right, when's the last time you've seen the

912
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: Super Bowl team win with two cornerbacks off the street

913
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: or or offensive lineman, whatever it is, right, Like, you

914
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: need your guys, you need your guys.

915
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: We didn't have our guys. So I don't think it

916
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: was a super Bowl.

917
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: I want to and I know we gotta get I

918
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 3: want you to. We're gonna get to your second act

919
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 3: here in the second. But I do got to know this.

920
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: How great was your Miami draft class?

921
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: Guess no better? My draft class? We had six in

922
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 2: the first We had one who would have been a

923
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer rest in peace, Sean Taylor. We have

924
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: Vince Wilfork, who's probably gonna be a Hall of Famer.

925
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: Everybody played at least nine seasons from the guys that

926
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: got drafted. I mean, you talk about as talented as

927
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: it gets, that's what we had. And if you want

928
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 2: to talk about the year prior, you already got hall

929
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 2: of famer out of that class, and Andre Johnson the

930
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: year prior to that, you already got Hall of Famer

931
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: and Ed Reid out of that draft class. Right, so

932
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 2: we had a stretch where we were I don't even

933
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 2: understand the argument anymore.

934
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: When people try.

935
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 2: To bring up other programs, I'm like, I don't even

936
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 2: understand what you're trying to argue.

937
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: Man, it's nothing. You can't it's nothing to argue.

938
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 4: Y'all had y'all had a stretch where y'all was just

939
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 4: y'all were it. Y'all were the team. I had a

940
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 4: chance to play with your center Brat Romberg another there's

941
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 4: a white guy, kind of slim.

942
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: He was a d N.

943
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 4: Matt Walters play with him in the hula ball. And

944
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 4: we had Larry Coche was our coach and just I

945
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 4: only was there were week with him, but he seemed

946
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 4: like he was just like the chill us dude and

947
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 4: just he just lets y'all play, Just let you be

948
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 4: who you were, as long as you respected the team

949
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 4: and you were a part of.

950
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: The team, like I got from coach Coker. Yeah, we had.

951
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: It was a group of alpha is on top of alphas,

952
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: if that makes sense right, And so Cocher was smart

953
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: enough to recognize, I don't need to mess with this.

954
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: They'll police themselves. We literally did police ourselves, like if.

955
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: Someone was late, we would have them do the crab

956
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: five hundred yards or run sprints or whatever it is.

957
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: We didn't need Coker. No offense to coch Cocher was

958
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: a really good coach, but we didn't need him to

959
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: police our culture. It was we're gonna go, we're gonna grind,

960
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: we're gonna work. And yeah it was when I say,

961
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: alpha's on top of alphas. Man, we had some big,

962
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: big personalities that would not let anything slide. I say nothing,

963
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: would not let it slide. And that's how it played

964
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: out in the games.

965
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: It definitely showed and it worked. We'll be right back.

966
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 4: I want to get into the second act. Do you

967
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 4: think having a first off, I didn't know you were

968
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 4: a finance guy. So you graduated from the U with

969
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 4: a three point five GPA in finance, you have this

970
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 4: amazing career in the NFL, and it's time to get

971
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 4: into your second act.

972
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

973
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 4: How does it feel knowing that you got this degree,

974
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 4: you had this amazing career. Was that able to help

975
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 4: you kind of transition going through your second act, like

976
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 4: kind of getting into commentating?

977
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did? In what way?

978
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: So football one? I love team sports, but we're talking

979
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: specifically football. When I was at the University of Miami

980
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: and I was doing finance, football was great in all

981
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 2: the other aspects that you need to be successful in life.

982
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: It was great at forcing me to make sacrifices. It

983
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 2: was great at time management. It was great at identifying

984
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: what's important, what's not important? What am I going to

985
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: pay attention to or put my attention towards. And then

986
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: it was great or the discipline. I'll go through a day, right,

987
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: a spring day was up at five, get whatever work

988
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: I needed done for school, work out at seven, get

989
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: some breakfast, go to class, get the rest.

990
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: Of my work done, then get ready for springball.

991
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 2: After that dinner, whatever work I need to get done,

992
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: do it all over again. Right, And when you start

993
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 2: to have won a routine and the discipline and the

994
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: sacrifice of I can't go out on a Wednesday night

995
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 2: while everyone else is going out on a Wednesday night.

996
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: Right, it's Thursday's a big college night. Can't do it.

997
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: I got things to do. And so that part I.

998
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: Really loved, enjoyed because that's now helped me in my

999
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: time now where I can plan my whole schedule. Right,

1000
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: I give time to what is important. I don't give

1001
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: any time to what's not important. Hence the wasn't paying

1002
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: attention to any of the stuff about Bounty, gay right

1003
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: and social media, so everything about football, team sports, and

1004
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: then wanted to be successful there.

1005
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 1: All of those have carried over to life now.

1006
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: The biggest one, which I should have mentioned is working

1007
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 2: with people that you may not have worked with otherwise.

1008
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: Right there, come from different backgrounds, different cultures, whatever it is,

1009
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: but you still have a common goal.

1010
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: And I always.

1011
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: Appreciated that about football, where you had the guys that

1012
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 2: are uber religious, right, church every three days, right, And

1013
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 2: then you had guys on the other spectrum they just

1014
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: coming out of college want to party, have a great time.

1015
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 2: And then you have all walks of life only like

1016
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 2: country music only, like rap music, right, or something in between.

1017
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: And that was always great because I'm like, all right, cool,

1018
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: you're different, you're different.

1019
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: We all want to win and play football, so we'll

1020
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: figure this thing out.

1021
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean we all have to be kumbaya, buddy, but

1022
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: we're gonna argue. We had fights when we won the

1023
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 2: Super Bowl that run. We had about three fights, four

1024
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: fights in the locker room. But it never got past that. Right,

1025
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 2: That's what brothers do. Brothers fight, move on and go.

1026
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: So the teamwork dealing with dealing with people that you

1027
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't normally deal with, especially now that I really appreciate that.

1028
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: That's probably one of the best, best things, biggest things

1029
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: I tell from it.

1030
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: You know, I noticed about you personally.

1031
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 3: I know you've done restaurants, real estate, You've done a

1032
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 3: ton of other things. Maybe kind of walk us through

1033
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: that path how you kind of got involved in that

1034
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 3: and then ultimately how long did it take you before

1035
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 3: you got into this TV deal?

1036
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the the finance was always the prerequisite for

1037
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: the foundation. I needed to be an entrepreneur, right, I

1038
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,919
Speaker 2: needed to I need to know my numbers. So that's

1039
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 2: where I started in the restaurants and in real estate.

1040
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: The restaurants they are very, very time consuming, so especially

1041
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 2: on the weekends, and that that was a period where

1042
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: my daughter would three four years old. I was like,

1043
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: I want to hang with my daughter more than I

1044
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: want to be in a restaurant on a Saturday Sunday.

1045
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 2: So as good or as lucrative as those that business

1046
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: can be or that industry, the time was not a

1047
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: conducive for what I wanted my lifestyle that I wanted

1048
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: real estate I have been doing since I was playing,

1049
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 2: so I was more I was more passive obviously when

1050
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: I was playing, became more active as I retired, and

1051
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 2: then again that's the beauty of it is it's a

1052
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 2: numbers game, right, It's just black and white, like either

1053
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 2: deal pencils. The deal doesn't pencil right, and you go

1054
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: to get lending, it's the exact same thing. They just

1055
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 2: want to see what does it look like on paper?

1056
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: What do the numbers say? And then you.

1057
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: Can't really, you know, jigger those numbers. It is what

1058
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: it is.

1059
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 2: So that's what I've always liked about it, that it's pure.

1060
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: It's black and white and that's what it is. And

1061
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 2: you can make the deal work.

1062
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: Great.

1063
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 2: If you can't, so be it, move on to the

1064
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 2: next deal. So that that's where the real estate side

1065
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: came in. Really enjoy it still do it? Really enjoy it?

1066
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: And then what was the next part?

1067
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: TV? TV?

1068
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 2: Yea, So all the while I was always doing TV

1069
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: and this is what nobody knew. That's what nobody knew,

1070
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: and just goes back to like put your head down

1071
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: and work. When I was with the Saints, I did

1072
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 2: every year except my first year.

1073
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: I did local TV.

1074
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 2: I did the Fox eight after the game, sports cast,

1075
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: you know, whatever they call it. And I did it

1076
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: because if if I wanted to get into TV, you

1077
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: gotta do it the right way. You gotta put some

1078
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: time into it, you got to actually work right And

1079
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: so many guys they just think, oh, I played, so

1080
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna now jump into TV, and that's it.

1081
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 2: It's a completely different skill set and you got to

1082
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: practice it. You got to get better at it. So

1083
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 2: I did that. Every Sunday after the game, I would

1084
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 2: go do the postgame report and then I would work

1085
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: all my craft and from there I also built up film.

1086
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 2: So it's like having what a resume, right, same thing.

1087
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: So with that, with that, I went my agent gave

1088
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: it to ESPN NBC. At the time, ESPN didn't have

1089
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: an opening. NBC did, so I did a year of

1090
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 2: Notre Dame football pre game, halftime postgame. After that year,

1091
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: ESPN had an opening, so that I went to ESPN.

1092
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 2: I did studio with ESPN for five years, did ESPN

1093
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 2: and ABC in Bristol, in Bristol, cold cold.

1094
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: Oh so good.

1095
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: Don't get me started. Don't get me started. And then

1096
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: from there I'm now with Fox. Been with Fox for

1097
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 2: five years, six seasons. Michael Jordan quote.

1098
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 4: I have the obligation to the game of basketball, not financially,

1099
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 4: I'm okay.

1100
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: I wish I.

1101
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 4: Could take a magic pill, put on the shorts, go

1102
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 4: out and play the game of basketball today, because that's

1103
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 4: who I am.

1104
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: I miss it.

1105
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan, My question to you is are you still competitive?

1106
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 4: And how much do you miss the game of football

1107
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 4: being that you're so connected to about calling games during

1108
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 4: the season.

1109
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm very competitive, very very competitive.

1110
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: I will turn anything into a competitive sport. Whatever we

1111
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 2: can do to get some fun out of it, I'm

1112
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: gonna do that. I don't miss the game at all.

1113
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 2: As far as playing. The difference maybe, but I'm pretty

1114
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: confident that this is a big difference basketball. Football takes

1115
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: a different toll on your body than basketball, and especially

1116
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: for linebacker positions safety corner, when you had to come

1117
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 2: up and stop the running cover two all day, right,

1118
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 2: you start to think about, which is what I do now.

1119
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: Anytime I look at the game and think about, oh

1120
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 2: can I play again, I think about the training room.

1121
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 2: I think about Wednesday being sore, Friday being sore, trying

1122
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 2: to get back to just one hundred percent just to

1123
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 2: beat your body up all over again on Sunday, Right,

1124
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 2: It's crazy. And then do that for eighteen weeks right,

1125
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: four and a half months. I want no part of that,

1126
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: like none, none at all. So from that perspective, I

1127
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: don't miss it. From the competitive side, of course, but

1128
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: I'm now in a place where I am attached to

1129
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: the game as much as I want to be without

1130
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 2: taking up all of my time. And I'd say that

1131
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 2: because the coaches, you got to have a lot of

1132
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: respect for them. Many they put in hours, so I

1133
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: can never do it. They put in hours, and I'm

1134
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 2: talking going back to sacrifice. They don't see their kids' games, right,

1135
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: they miss events, and even when it's the off season,

1136
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 2: they still are in there. When we're off and we're

1137
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: chilling and having a good time, they're still in there

1138
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: grinding and working, right, And that is that is a

1139
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: life where you have to really love the game a

1140
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 2: different way than the way we love the game. We

1141
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 2: love the game from afar. We appreciate it, we're knowledgeable

1142
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: about it, we know it, but we would never commit.

1143
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: You just said it, right. I wouldn't do it either.

1144
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: I know Rome won't do it.

1145
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: I would never commit the hours that the coach is

1146
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 2: put in right now and then miss family time. Just

1147
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: seeing my daughter's volleyball game. I want no part of that,

1148
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: right and so for me, I respect the hell out

1149
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: of the coaches for that sacrifice that they make and

1150
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 2: to be successful. And remember, don't feel sorry for him.

1151
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: Think about all the fans as soon as as soon

1152
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 2: as a player or a coach. Look at Aaron Glenn

1153
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: right now, he went from the darling decordinator to he

1154
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: doesn't know football, he can't coach, he don't know anything.

1155
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: He's a Jets head coach, he doesn't know anything. Don't

1156
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 2: feel sorry for him right the time. Effort everything to sacrifice,

1157
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: so I don't miss it from that perspective by doing

1158
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: is it from just the normal all right?

1159
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: Number one shout out to Joevit. JV is his favorite players.

1160
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 3: I just to him like two weeks. Yeah, that's our

1161
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 3: linebackers coach, used to be assistant head coach. Yes, he

1162
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 3: literally would give up his own son for John Lan

1163
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 3: and he.

1164
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: Has openly admitted that.

1165
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 3: To his own son, Joey, dude, I take John all right.

1166
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: That shout out to Joevit. Number two, j V.

1167
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 3: I want you to tell because we got great stories together.

1168
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah we don't have to tell any stories from New Orleans,

1169
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 3: but I do have to share with the world that

1170
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 3: could you share with the world about the time that

1171
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 3: I learned that.

1172
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: You speak Yeah vos.

1173
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 3: So I've known this guy for years. Up until this moment,

1174
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 3: I had no idea. Please share play.

1175
00:58:55,320 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: So we are in Amsterdam. We are celebrating romans about

1176
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 2: to get married. So we're celebrating uh in Amsterdam bachelor party.

1177
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: And for the record, we only went to red light

1178
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: district like one time.

1179
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 3: It wasn't even all that so we were doing like

1180
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 3: local stuff. Yeah, we're actually stuff.

1181
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, So for anyone thinking like we were just going

1182
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 2: crazy red light district, that didn't happen. So we're doing

1183
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 2: all the local stuff. And then we got there on

1184
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 2: a Monday. Unbeknownst to us. Everyone from other countries they

1185
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 2: go in on like a Thursday for a long weekend, right,

1186
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 2: So it's similar to how we do the Vegas in America.

1187
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: All Right, So.

1188
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 2: Friday now comes around, we grabbed dinner, we go to

1189
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: one of these local spots that had a little lounges

1190
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 2: club kind of mix and it was cool. And so

1191
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: now we're we're we're seeing everybody, but we're hearing all

1192
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 2: these different languages. Were like French, like literally French, Spanish, German, everything, right.

1193
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, okay, this is this is cool.

1194
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: So we end up meeting this group of women. They're

1195
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 2: from Germany, and I always like to just ear hustle

1196
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 2: when i'm when i hear German being spoken, right, So

1197
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 2: I'm just listening to them, and you know, they're just

1198
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: talking about our group of guys, and they're like, oh,

1199
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 2: these guys, they seem fun, they're cute, blah blah blah,

1200
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 2: all this stuff, and I'm just listening. I didn't say

1201
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 2: one word, and Roman is trying to have a conversation

1202
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 2: with them. Right, So they knew English, they knew enough

1203
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 2: to be dangerous. But when they wanted to like talk

1204
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: talk about one of us, they would speak in German.

1205
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 2: So Roman would talk to them, they would answer in English,

1206
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 2: and then they wanted to say something about our group,

1207
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: they would talk in German. So I'm just listening to

1208
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 2: the whole thing. So now it go. It's it's two

1209
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: of the girls. So the girls were basically like, all right,

1210
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: we like Roman, we like John. We're gonna hang out

1211
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: with them and go to another spot. And then the

1212
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 2: other girl stayed and then I don't even know where

1213
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 2: those guys ended up, but.

1214
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 3: No, Ronnie and that we just ended up in the

1215
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 3: car and then like Stephano and Ronnie and yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

1216
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: yeah they end up.

1217
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: It was a little bit later. Yeah.

1218
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 6: Right.

1219
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: So now in the car, I'm sitting in the front

1220
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 2: and then Roman is in the back with the with

1221
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 2: the two ladies. So they're Roman is trying to talk

1222
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 2: to him, and then one of them says in German, Oh,

1223
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 2: he's nice, but he's talking too much. So I said, hey, Rome,

1224
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 2: be quiet, and Rome was like huh, and then they

1225
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: kind of perked him, like wait a minute. So they

1226
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 2: they asked themselves like does he know German? And so

1227
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 2: I said, yes, I know German. But they said it

1228
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 2: in German to each other like does he know German?

1229
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 2: So I was like, yes, I know German.

1230
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: Rome. They're saying, you're talking too much. Be quiet.

1231
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,479
Speaker 2: So Rome he's looking at me, he's looking at them

1232
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 2: and he's like wait, like what's going on. So I

1233
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 2: tell him in German like yeah, it's it's for stea Deutsch.

1234
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: It's vice fastus os right, and so they're like and

1235
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 2: then they started to talk faster.

1236
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: So I tell him in German. You can talk faster,

1237
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: I still can understand you. Right, So Roman is just

1238
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: completely out of his mind.

1239
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 2: Now he's mind blown. Yeah, he's just like, what is

1240
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 2: going on, JB. You know German? Why did you tell

1241
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 2: me that? He's mad at me? Because I've never told him.

1242
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 2: I was like, Roman, when was I ever going to

1243
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: speak German? You want me to call a play in German?

1244
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 4: Like?

1245
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: When was I ever going to speak German to you? Right?

1246
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: He's like, Man, I can't believe you know German. This

1247
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 2: is crazy, this is crazy. So he completely ignores the

1248
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: two ladies.

1249
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,959
Speaker 1: Now they are nothing to me. Yeah, completely, like.

1250
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 2: We just dropped them off, move on, And all Roman

1251
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 2: wants to talk about is me speaking German. He's like,

1252
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 2: I can't believe you held this from me, Bro, I've

1253
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 2: known you for seven years.

1254
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: How did you not tell me you speak German?

1255
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 2: And then the next day he tells everybody, so I

1256
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 2: had to actually like speak a little German so everyone knows,

1257
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 2: like I understand German, I understand and speak it. And

1258
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 2: he went, I mean that was just it was like

1259
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: the bee's needs for this dude. For the of the

1260
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 2: rest of the trip, Bro, it was hilarious.

1261
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: You should call a game in German? Can you call it? Plan?

1262
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 2: One thousand percent will call it? I would if they

1263
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:07,919
Speaker 2: let me, I'll call it in German.

1264
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1265
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 3: Could you explain to the people how you learn German?

1266
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 3: Because I think that's also interesting. Yes, so also the

1267
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 3: unintelligent one in your family, because everybody speaks more language.

1268
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 2: Yeah everyone, Yeah, everyone speaks three at least I only

1269
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:22,439
Speaker 2: speak two.

1270
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you're right, Thanks for calling me an idiot.

1271
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: Appreciate it, so set them.

1272
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right now, Now I get it. Now I

1273
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: get it. So my my uncle, my uncle and my aunt.

1274
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 2: I'm of Haitian descent, so they lived in Haiti. They

1275
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 2: went to Germany because you can go to medical school

1276
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: for free in Germany. So they both went to medical

1277
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 2: school in Germany, became doctors. They met their significant others,

1278
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 2: and instead of coming back, they stayed in Germany, had kids,

1279
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 2: the whole nine. So my cousins living in Germany, my

1280
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 2: knowing in my family knew German. So my dad was like,

1281
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: you're going to learn German in school. So I learned German.

1282
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 2: Usually people just learned Spanish, especially down here in Miami.

1283
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 2: I learned German. In school, and then in the summers

1284
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 2: when my cousins would come down or I go visit,

1285
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 2: I would talk to them only in German. So I

1286
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 2: had been fluent in German, I don't know, probably like

1287
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: nine years old, and so I would always, like anytime

1288
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 2: we go a lot of Germans would come down. I

1289
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 2: just kind of listen, you know, just ear, hustle and

1290
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 2: maybe speak maybe not. And ever since then, like now

1291
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 2: when I go to Germany, I'm trying to teach my daughter,

1292
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 2: but she's not learning it. She's learning Spanish in school,

1293
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 2: so it's a little it's a little different. But I

1294
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 2: always talk in German when I go there. I try

1295
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 2: to talk to them periodically on the phone, just to

1296
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 2: keep my German fresh.

1297
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's how that's how it happened. I like that.

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Speaker 1: I'll learn that.

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Speaker 4: Our last my last question for you, Sir Mount Rushmore,

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Speaker 4: we asked a lot of our guess is question. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you get four picks of people that have had some

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01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 4: type of an influence that have shaped molded you into

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01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 4: the man you are today on the field, off the field,

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01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 4: with football, not football sports, just for people that have

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01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 4: had great influence on you as the man you are.

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01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 2: The first one is my dad. He Fortunately, he was tough,

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01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 2: big on discipline, big on. He would only get mad

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01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 2: if I didn't give my best effort. Win, lose, draw,

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01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 2: Just give your best effort. So that would be the

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01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 2: first one. Definitely molded me into the man I am today.

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01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 2: My second would be Andrew Swasee. He was my strength

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01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 2: coach at the University of Miami. I think Rome you've

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01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 2: heard me talk about him before I had.

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Speaker 4: He was my dB coach in high school. Yeah, we'll

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01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 4: talk about it later, but I want to interrupt you,

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01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:04,919
Speaker 4: but yeah, keep going on.

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01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 2: Your so and Andrew sways he was. It was frankly

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01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 2: if I if I was already here as far as

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01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 2: like discipline, sacrifice, et cetera. He put me over the top. Yeah,

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01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 2: so much so. The first time I worked out with him,

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01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 2: he made me throw up. After I threw up, he

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01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 2: made me finish the running and he was like, and

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01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 2: you better come back tomorrow and do the same thing

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01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 2: all over again. And so that that guy, he got

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01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 2: me right, He got me right. Third, it's gonna be

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01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 2: my favorite coach.

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01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: Joevitt. Joe Vitt was.

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01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 2: A guy that he he knew how to inspire you.

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01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 2: He knew how to get the best out of He

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01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,439
Speaker 2: knew how to make you feel like a million bucks.

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Speaker 1: And Rome knows what I'm talking about. He when when

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01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: you need that little pick.

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01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 2: Me up, you know the season is long and you

1335
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 2: need just a little pick me up. Joe was that guy.

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01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 2: Joe was that guy, and he was also coach. I

1337
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 2: had never met a coach up until that point that

1338
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 2: was more loyal to not just me, to the players.

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01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: And he would.

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01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 2: When I say he would go to bat for you,

1341
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,919
Speaker 2: he would fight for you. Never met a guy, never

1342
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 2: met a coach at the time. Great human. And then

1343
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 2: we talked about Remember I said, like nobody cares about

1344
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 2: the coaches and what they go through. Joe's has two

1345
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 2: times now, testicular cancer, beat it twice, had torn achilles.

1346
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: Never once, stop coaching, never once, and never once had

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01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 2: an attitude or anything like that. He would come in

1348
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 2: and it was like you would never know that he

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01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 2: had anything going on. Best coach, great energy, and that

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01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: he coaches tough. He coaches tough. So you know that guy.

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01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 3: He he's ever had another job, no besides coaching football

1352
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 3: coach thousand like, yes, that's your job at like twenty

1353
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 3: something and.

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01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: He's saw straight through.

1355
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,439
Speaker 2: The Dolphins tried to get him to do a little

1356
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 2: front office stuff, No chance. He's a coach through and

1357
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 2: through great inspiration. Man, he he's you know when it's like,

1358
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 2: what is it? What is it to be a man?

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01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: That? That's a guy? That's a guy.

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01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 2: That's a guy, right, because you you can have bad days,

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01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 2: but when people are depending on you, they don't care

1362
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 2: about your bad day. They need the best from you.

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01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 1: That was him.

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01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:40,919
Speaker 2: That was Joe number four. Man, it's gonna be Randy Shannon.

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01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 2: He was my defensive coordinator University of Miami. And it's

1366
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 2: Randy because he was He was the first coach to

1367
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 2: force me, literally forced me.

1368
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why.

1369
01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 2: I forced me to use my brain and not just braun.

1370
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 2: And I'll never forget he wasn't he didn't recruit me.

1371
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 2: So Greg Cianna recruited me. He came in the next year.

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01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 2: When he comes in, he's watching all the film from

1373
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: the prior year. I had gotten freshman all Americans, so

1374
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 2: I thought I was hot shit right, And so he

1375
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 2: comes in and he has me come in and watch

1376
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 2: film with him, and he's literally like, why are you

1377
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 2: doing this? Why are you doing this? Why are you

1378
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 2: doing that? He was like, don't you have a three

1379
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 2: point five? Yeah, He's like, why do you play so dumb?

1380
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 2: I had no answer for it. And he was like,

1381
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 2: you too emotionally charged up for these games. He was like,

1382
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 2: you need to bring it down, because he was like,

1383
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 2: I need you to think, I need you to call

1384
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 2: my players, I need you to make my checks. You

1385
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 2: need to be me on the field. So you need

1386
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 2: to bring it down a notch. And he literally was

1387
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 2: the one that told me I had to I was

1388
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 2: too emotionally repped up.

1389
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: For a game. I had to take it down. Learn

1390
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: the game.

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01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 2: He taught me the game, taught me what it is

1392
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,759
Speaker 2: to look at formations, tendencies, O line, O line splits

1393
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 2: everything everything right. So because of him, now my sophomore, junior,

1394
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 2: senior year, instead of me just being a guy running

1395
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 2: around crazy, it was, oh, this guy knows football. And

1396
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 2: I took that into the NFL and I got a

1397
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year because it was it was I mean,

1398
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 2: obviously my teammates with the Jets and stuff, but I

1399
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 2: remember I took so much of what he taught me

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01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,879
Speaker 2: on how to watch film on on a daily basis.

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01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 2: The tendencies all carried over and because of that, I

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01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 2: always would tell him, Man, he taught me to be

1403
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 2: a smart football player before I was just a dumb

1404
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: guy just running around.

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01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that.

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01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, Man, you got to learn how to be uh.

1407
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:46,640
Speaker 3: You can't be Hulk smash you sometimes you got to

1408
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 3: be Bruce Banner.

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01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Bars, good god Bars.

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01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 3: Well we'll be back in a minute, JV. Man, it

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01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 3: was a pleasure, Bro. I'm glad I got to see you.

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01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 3: I'm glad we got to have you on. Man, this

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01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 3: is an honor. It's gonna be one of my favorite

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01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 3: ones because you know you're my guy. So you're my guy.

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Speaker 5: Room.

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01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, no doubt. Man. You ready, I've been ready.

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01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 3: All right, man, let's get it. You got to get

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01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 3: out of three oh five. Man, So thank you man

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01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:14,800
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