1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: Find Out and podcast. Okay, so here we are another Monday. UM. 2 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: We just want to say thank you to all of 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: our listeners and everyone that commented after last week's episode 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: with the wonderful Mickey Guiden and her husband Grant and 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: who stayed patient throughout that episode because it was uncomfortable, um, 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, and in the same theme of what's going 7 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: on in our world today, I reached out to a 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,639 Speaker 1: good buddy of mine who was also a veteran from 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: being in the NFL for ten years. UM, African American 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: man married to a Caucasian woman with three mixed children. 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: And and my buddy Chris Spencer is joining the show 12 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: for it with us, and we're going to kind of 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: talk about some of the same similar things and kind 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: of here a different perspective, UM from his world. And 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: I think what we learned to was just to really listen, UM, 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: and we learned a lot from I learned a lot 17 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: from just re listening to that episode and it made 18 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: me real uncomfortable again and I wish I would have 19 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: not interjected at times and it just listened, UM. And 20 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: so I think we learned a lot um about that episode. 21 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: And you know, I've I've received the feedback and the questions, 22 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: and you know, I I just we wanted to continue 23 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: the conversation and we just also want to say thank 24 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: you for finishing the entire episode. And I think it's 25 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: more about, you know, we all kind of realized maybe 26 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: how things could have been said differently, but how we 27 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: acknowledge and look in the mirror and we own our thing. 28 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: I think that was what was so beautiful about it. Yeah, 29 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: And to your point, it's in the more you know, 30 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: listening back to that episode and the more I've kind 31 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,919 Speaker 1: of listened to people this past week talking on different 32 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: news platforms. Is this stuff isn't a debate. It is 33 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: about listening to one another, you know, and people are 34 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: going to have different opinions or different perspectives, but it's 35 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: not a writer or wrong you know. There there isn't 36 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: a debate around it. And like I, like you said, 37 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: you can't. So with that being said, we're gonna introduce 38 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: my good buddy, Chris Spencer Spence. Welcome to the show, buddy, 39 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: Hey Spence, Hey guys, thanks for having me and I 40 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: love listening to you guys, and you guys done such 41 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: a good job together here and um, very honored that 42 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: you guys reached out to me to join you guys. 43 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: And you know, this has been a very emotional week 44 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: and in a lot of ups and downs with you know, 45 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: even my emotions, particularly growing up in Mississippi, and you know, 46 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: having a lot of these things kind of come back 47 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: to the forefront. So so I'm excited to kind of 48 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: jump in and have a conversation with you guys about it. Absolutely, man, 49 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: we appreciate it. And do you, honey, do you want 50 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: to start with that one question? Yeah? I had someone 51 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: reach out to me and and I I felt really 52 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: bad when I read it because I I felt, um, 53 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: so she was an African American who um one of 54 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: my followers, and she said that me us asking Mickey 55 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: questions was very disrespectful and that it's not Mickey's job 56 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: or any other African American to teach white people about 57 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: their life or to teach them what they've to teach 58 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: us what they've been through. And I felt awful. I 59 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: started crying and I response, I was like, I'm so sorry, 60 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: Like that was not our intention and is so do 61 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: do you take offense for us when we ask you 62 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: know about your experience about your experiences and what we 63 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: can do and you know, um, the history. I guess 64 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: for me, it's it's more around just the awareness and 65 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 1: and and again, like she said, it's not my job 66 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: to teach everyone. Um, but if there's things that come 67 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: up that there's questions around, you know, it's also you know, 68 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: my job to share my experience. And uh, because as 69 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: I've been fortunate to you know, grow up in small 70 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: area of Mississippi, rural area and see a lot and 71 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: but also fortunate to live outside of that bubble into 72 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: a more fluent bubble. And and so I get to 73 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: see that a lot of people are very unaware of 74 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: other people's feelings. And um, if you don't side with 75 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: their view of things, then um, you're not you're not 76 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: fitting in their mode. And so so I think it's 77 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: when I hear things, I think it's for me, it's 78 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: more of um, hey, guys, look, you may think that 79 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: these things doesn't happen because you never experienced it. But 80 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: I've experienced it my whole life. And you know, and again, 81 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: I have a wife who's called Cajun, and so even her, 82 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: like we're driving down the road and we see I 83 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: see a lot more things than she is used to 84 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: seeing from Confederate flags and things like that that she's 85 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: never had to pay attention to. But I have to 86 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: pay attention to those things, and so um so it's 87 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: not our job to two explain, but it is our 88 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: job to have conversations. And because um, there's a lot 89 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: of good people in the world like you, guys that 90 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: um is trying to do the right things and want 91 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: to do the right things, but just need someone to 92 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: help open their eyes to experience that they never experienced. 93 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: Because if I never lived in influent world, there's things 94 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: that I would have never known, you know, And so 95 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: um so you kind of have to have from a 96 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: black person. You kind of have to be able to 97 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: um understand that there's a lot of people that is 98 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: just just not aware of of it and and heaven 99 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: doesn't have the right know how to have the right 100 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: conversation to start that conversation around racing things like that 101 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: and how they can be more UM effective and in 102 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: the change. So is that difficult? And I'm saying this 103 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: based off just my experience with our interview this past week, 104 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: where being I was guilty of asking a question and 105 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: responding in a way that came across as ignorant, naive, 106 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: and arrogant because I haven't experienced it, because I just 107 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: questioned in my logic as a white male in this 108 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: world through my life experiences, logically didn't really make sense 109 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: to me. So is that difficult being, you know, an 110 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,559 Speaker 1: African American When you know someone who's Caucasia or another 111 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: race says something purely out of innocence because they just 112 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: don't know better, is it really difficult, like not to 113 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: take that personally? Yeah, I mean, I tell you I've 114 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: had to learn how to not take everything personally because, um, 115 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: you know, I've I grew up in Mississippi and went 116 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: to o miss Um, you know, playing in NFL and 117 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: being a star athlete, you you get a pass per 118 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: se like, um, you're not really seen as black, and 119 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: that I think that's one of the most difficult things 120 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: for me, is that you're not really seeing as black. 121 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: So people say things around you that they think that 122 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: you're okay with because they see you as one of them. 123 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 1: And so, um, I've had to learn how to remove 124 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: myself from certain conversations because you know, being a six four, 125 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, three d pound black man, you know, if 126 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: you you show some type of anger, then all of 127 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: a sudden you're known as that guy has been an 128 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: angry guy. And so so I've had to kind of 129 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: train myself of like understanding where conversations are gonna start 130 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: to go where it will make me feel uncomfortable, and 131 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: remove myself before it gets there, because um it, you're 132 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: you're fighting up your battle trying to explain something to 133 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: someone who's never experienced certain things. And and again I'm 134 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: never asking anyone to agree, but also I want people 135 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: to to hear another side and say, Okay, this is real. 136 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: The other side of is real, and it's not just 137 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: about your point of view. You know. It's crazy just 138 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: in this past week, like how much introspection just myself 139 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: I've been able to do, to think about situations and 140 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: without even again purposely being unempathetic, I have been because 141 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: again I haven't had to look through the filter or 142 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: live you know the way that you have, Chris or 143 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: other African Americans. And it's it is, it's just you 144 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: don't know what you don't know until unfortunately, until something 145 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: like this happens, where I really hope just in my 146 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: own eyes, who there? I mean, you know me we've 147 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: been friends a long time. Now. There's not an ounce 148 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: of racism in me right or anything, but the fact 149 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: that even someone like me is starting to see it 150 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: in a different light because of this stuff. Like, I 151 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: really hope this isn't all for nothing, you know what 152 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: I mean? Like I agree, I think, um, you know, 153 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: you starting to see more, um more people are just 154 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: coming off the sideline and not looking at it as 155 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: it's not happening in our community, so we're going to 156 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: turn a blind eye to it. You see more of 157 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: flowing white people actually step it up and and wanting 158 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: to learn. So I think right now black people will 159 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable with the questions because, um, there are more 160 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: people now who are willing to have a conversation and 161 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: not just sweeping on the road because you know, the 162 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: things that are happening right now are just they're just 163 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: blatant and it's right there in front of you, so 164 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: you can't walk over to step over anymore. And so um, 165 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: so I think right now, you know, it is a 166 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: challenge for black people to be a little bit more understand. 167 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: You know, I hate to stay understanding because we've missed 168 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: understanding for a really long time. But there's gonna be 169 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: more questions that's asked because um, there are people who again, 170 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: when you don't know, you don't know. And so the 171 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: only way to know is to ask a question in 172 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: And my granddad told me, I've taught me a long 173 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: time ago. Um, being in Mississippi, closed mouth don't get fair. 174 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: So you've gotta be okay with people asking certain questions. 175 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: And but the question has to be has to be 176 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: a question that you're genuine wanted to understand and hearing that, 177 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: hearing what the response is and and having some empathy. 178 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 1: You know, I think in our country right now, with 179 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: lack of empathy of other people's situations and um, and 180 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: not not everyone is is afforded the same opportunities, you know. 181 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: And it's for for me. If I wasn't a you know, 182 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: a stud athlete, again, I don't know what my life 183 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: would have turned out to be. And you know, so 184 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,599 Speaker 1: I've tried to use my platform in the way that um, 185 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: it shines a light on like you know, again, we 186 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: things that you don't ever have to think about, how 187 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: you're you're constant trying to make everyone around you feel comfortable. 188 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: That's not your race, you know, And and because I 189 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: married a Caucasian woman, I have to wear both sides 190 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: of it, where I have to make people around me 191 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: comfortable because they don't know if they can trust me 192 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: or not in my own race. And so so I've 193 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: I've had the ability to see it through a lot 194 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: of different lands, and so so I have a different perspective, 195 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: a little bit of different perspective on it. And and 196 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: I've been able to, you know, have conversation with friends 197 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: over the last several days that you know, it's exhausting, 198 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: but you know, I'm hoping the good comes out of 199 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: it is that people are starting to realize that these 200 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: things happen, and it it doesn't matter what environment you in. 201 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: And you know, just being pulled over your because you're 202 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: driving a nice car, um and household about do you 203 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: own this car? It's hard. Oh yeah, It's happened to 204 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: me tons of times. And you know, and I remember 205 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: just I was telling someone story the other day about 206 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: going to a cigar bar and pulled up in my 207 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: car and and the older gentleman gets out of the 208 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: car and he says to me, Hey, is that your car? 209 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, that's my car. He's like, well, 210 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: let me guess you must be a musician. I was 211 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: like no, it's like, um, you must be, um an athlete. 212 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: I was like no, you know, because again I don't 213 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: want to tell people what I do. And he was like, oh, 214 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: I guess you must be a drug dealer. And he 215 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: walked up and I was just like, I was like wow, okay. 216 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: So so it's you know, it's a lot of things 217 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: that that that I have to just walk away from 218 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: because again, um, if I react, society is already deem 219 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: me as um the guy who is because of my 220 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: skin tone, in my size is the guy that's is 221 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: going to be the troublemaker. So I have to again 222 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: remove myself. So I get in my car and leave 223 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: it because I know what would happen if the cops 224 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: call um. So um, and even with this pandemic that's 225 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: going on right now, Um, I'm torn even wearing a 226 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: mask and a grocery store a gas astion tonight because um, 227 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: my size again and walking in it's you know, I 228 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: don't want someone to think that I'm there to rob them. 229 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: And so, um, just a lot that you have to 230 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: think about as a as a black person in this country. 231 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: And uh, continue to move forward. And again, not all 232 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: cops are bad, not all white people are racist, but 233 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: there's just a lot of just people just unaware of 234 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: the things that we have to endure and teach our 235 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: kids and and and and living in an environment and 236 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: bubbles that you know, you you you face some of 237 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: those things that like that I'm that I just came 238 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: and that's awful, Like not being able having I just 239 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: that's awful, not being able to feel like you can 240 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: wear a mask and go into a store like you'll 241 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: never like we'll never have to feel that, And that's 242 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: just I'm I'm sorry, and I I remember when I 243 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: first met you, Spence, You're you're hilarious. You know you're 244 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: you're funny. But one of the first things you said 245 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: to me is you said, I'm black Santa. You know 246 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: you're wearing a Santa outfit. And I feel like, you know, 247 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: they're I've been times where when we have hung out, 248 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I'm I'm the only black friend, 249 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: and it's almost like the humor are you just are 250 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: you using the humor to almost make is that what 251 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: you're trying to do to make other people comfortable too? 252 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: Even though we were already comfortable with. Yeah. Absolutely, absolutely, 253 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: because again, you know, you spend so much of your 254 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: life making everybody help and everyone feel comfortable that you're 255 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: not a threat, um that it just it bleeds over 256 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: into everything in your life, everything you do. And you know, 257 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: even to the fact that I laugh at myself all 258 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: the time every time I go and and uh, I 259 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: get dressed and I'm going to work or if I'm 260 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, going out with friends or something like that, 261 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: I go and grab my loafers because I know that 262 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: when you know, a six four guy walks in the 263 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: building the first day and they look at it's like, 264 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: oh man, this guy is scary looking. And then but 265 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: they looked at him, you know, they see me wearing 266 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: a paral loafers, They're like, okay, he's he should be 267 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: all right, he's you know, like so it's just it's 268 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: just a little things like that that you know, it's 269 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: um that I've kind of done my you know, a 270 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: lot of my life because again, I had a decision 271 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: to make. Do I want to continue to live here 272 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: in Mississippi and struggle like everyone else in my life, 273 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: or do I want to put my head down and 274 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: work and and and put my best foot forward. So 275 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: I can't have a good opportunity in life because I 276 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: knew one day I have kids and I want to 277 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: make sure that they had the best. And and my mom, 278 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: she had five kids, and she worked her butt off 279 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: and and and and doing a lot there and and 280 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: you know, but she's she's always you know, Black people 281 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: just so resilient when it comes to um these type 282 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: of things that happened in our country right now. Is 283 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: that forgiveness, forgiveness, forgiveness, you know. And you know, even 284 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: growing up without a dad in the home, you know, 285 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: my mom she was the mom and dad, and she 286 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: was always loving on us as like, don't ever hold 287 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: a grudge against anyone, don't hold a grudge against your 288 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: your father, don't hold a brother gets the person that 289 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: looks at you because you look different, and um, just 290 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: find a way to pray for them and love on them. 291 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: And so so I've kind of attacked my life that 292 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: way and um, and it doesn't mean that that I 293 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: have run into certain troubles. I mean, you can imagine 294 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: married to a a Canadian who's blonde, that you get 295 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: pulled over by the cops. The first thing in your 296 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: mind is like, oh my gosh, what do I do here? 297 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: And and the cops is asking her she okay, you know, 298 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: and it's like, well all right, So, UM, so we've 299 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: you know, I've brought some things on myself, but also 300 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: I've you know, I've learned a lot and and and 301 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: but also I just have a heart for people. And 302 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: I think now is the time that we all lend 303 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: our voice to to see a change and do it 304 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: in a genuine way and not just have people, um, 305 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: just continue to justify what's continued to happen right now 306 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: in our country. Yeah, let me ask you this, Chris. 307 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: You have three beautiful kids, beautiful daughter in two and 308 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: two boys. Have you, guys had conversations with them? Have 309 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: they experienced anything thus far? And I guess what are 310 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: you telling them now with all of this going on? Well, 311 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: I mean, unfortunately, you know, society to force you to 312 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: have those conversations very early with your kids about um uh, 313 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: the position that we're in as mixed kids and growing 314 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: up in a you know, a predominant white area. Um. 315 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: Society to force you to have those conversations what you 316 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: can and can't do? Um? Just just um, not even 317 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: six months ago when when school was going on, my 318 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: ten year old UM were sitting in the cafeteria with 319 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: his fourth grade class, and the kid said to him, Um, 320 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: if I was the president, I bring back slavery, and 321 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: you would be my first pick. And so um, because 322 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: of what I have taught, what we've taught, I taught 323 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: our kid and and my son, he's he has high 324 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: functional autism, and when he's felt wrong, he is very reactive. 325 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: And because of the lessons and things that we've taught 326 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: that people are gonna look at him different, They're gonna 327 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: say things. Um, he politely got up and went and 328 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: talked to his teacher and told his teaching what happened. 329 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: And and so we are constantly having a conversation with him. 330 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: He's he's going to be a big kid again. My 331 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: wife was an All American volleyball player, and he is 332 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: a very special athlete. And so we're constantly researching and 333 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: thinking about what's going to happen to him in the 334 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: next you know, six years, when he starts driving and 335 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: he he's not a it that again, we're trying to 336 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: give him all the two so he can thrive in 337 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: this world. But right now he's not a kid that, um, 338 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: you could approach that he when he feels he hasn't 339 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: done anything wrong, he will defend himself. He will question, 340 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: he will ask, and so, um, it's one of our 341 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: biggest fears right now in our lives are and even 342 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,959 Speaker 1: to the fact that, hey, Jackson, you can't wear a 343 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: hoodie when you walk into places, you can't go jogging 344 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: down the street with a hoodie. And it's he's like, well, why, 345 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: well this kid can do that. Why can't I do that? 346 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: You know? And so so we've had to have a 347 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: lot of tough conversations with him, and uh and our 348 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: two youngest you know, starting to have those conversations with 349 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: those guys as well, because um, you know, it's it's 350 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: just things you have to do, as is your responsibility 351 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: to keep your kids safe, and the things that we 352 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: have to do right now, I mean particularly um, in 353 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: the time we're in, but you know, just in general, 354 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: as a black person in America, you have to have 355 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: these conversations with your kids because, um, you don't want 356 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: them to be in a position where, um, they're not 357 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: giving themselves the best chance. And again, it still doesn't 358 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 1: mean you may come out on the other end of it. 359 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: But it's just you're trying to give yourself the best 360 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: opportunity to to avoid a tragic situation. And so, um 361 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: so we've experienced some things with our kids. You know, 362 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: my daughter, she you know, has very big hair, and 363 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: the kids, you know, they don't want to play with 364 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: her because of her hair and her skin tone. And 365 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: so so you know, and and and our kids they're 366 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: they're very resilient, but at the same time you can 367 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: tell they really you know, destroys them, hurt them, you know, 368 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: to their core. And so we we walk this delicate 369 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 1: balance of teaching our kids what they can and can't do, 370 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: but also that they don't We don't want them hating 371 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: people either. We don't want them growing up to hate 372 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: white people and things like that. And so um so 373 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: we we we we do a lot of conversation, do 374 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: a lot of reading, and talk to a lot of 375 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: therapists and things like that, because, um, those things are traumatizing, 376 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, and you don't think about it. And my 377 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: son he brought it up to me, um, you know, 378 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: two weeks ago, and I thought he had kind of 379 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: forgot about it, you know. And so those things stick 380 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: around for a really long time with you and it 381 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: it goes you know, it'd be something that he remember 382 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: the rest of his life and so um So for 383 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: us as parents, we just keep, you know, just keep 384 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: reiterating and having these conversations with our kids that you know, 385 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, we don't see see color love, we don't 386 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: love everyone. But also, because you have the skin tone, 387 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: here are things, here's a list of things that you 388 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: have to be aware of, the things that you can't do. 389 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: And you can't wait until we're sixteen and start having 390 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: that conversation. So I think these are the kind of 391 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: conversations where it's, like we said, there's no debate, it's 392 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: just listening and understanding someone else's perspective on a daily basis. 393 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: Because when you think about it, it's like, okay, hopefully 394 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: as a whole, as a as a society, as a 395 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: as a species, we can start to be more empathetic 396 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: towards one another period about everything, like you're saying earlier, Spence, 397 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: and then unfortunately there's still gonna be because all it 398 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: takes is that one person, that one police officer, that 399 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: one person that does these acts to set things off again. 400 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: And you know, I saw this quote from Chris Rock 401 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: just recently about all this where he's bad apple is like, 402 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, bad apples. He's like, there should be no 403 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: bad apples, and like law enforcement anything like that. He's 404 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: like a pilot, there's not a bad apple. As a pilot. 405 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: You can't just be like, all right, here's a bad 406 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,959 Speaker 1: apple the plane craft, like, you can't excuse that. So 407 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: I just really appreciated his his somewhat comedic kind of 408 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: you know, outlook on that, because that's true, like that, 409 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: there's there should be a zero tolerance behind all that. 410 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: And I'm just what I'm my fear is is even 411 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: with society hopefully gaining better understanding, there's unfortunately there's still 412 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: going to be those assholes that just set us back again, 413 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: set society back. It's amazing how one person with one 414 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: terrible act can do this to a country, one the greatest, 415 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: arguably the greatest country in the world, and all it 416 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: takes is one thing, and it just goes to show 417 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: how much work we also have to do as human beings. Well, 418 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the thing about it is is that it's 419 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: not just been that one bad, one bad person, that 420 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: one bad apple. There's been a lot of bad apples 421 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: over years, and it's just now because we've you know, 422 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: um sell phones and body cam and things like that. 423 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: You know, you're starting to see these things happen on 424 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: a daily basis. And so, UM, I think, again, I 425 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: don't have all the answers. I don't know how we 426 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: solve this problem because it's a it's a very complex, 427 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 1: um issue. But I think, you know, starting with working 428 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: within our community with cops, actually building relationship with people 429 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: within the communities and humanizing these people, humanizing the the 430 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: the kids that are playing in the park that's that's 431 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: not their color. Because again, you you you get thrust 432 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: it into as a cop. You go to school for 433 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: six months and there's no training around mental well being, 434 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: and um, there's a lot of people who have undiagnosed 435 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: issues that you don't know about, and so you have 436 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: to ingratiate yourself in these in these communities in a 437 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: way that you get to know them for who they are. 438 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: And then I think that as we start to do 439 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: this in smaller communities and growing into the bigger cities 440 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: and getting to know people, UM, I think those are 441 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: some of the steps that you know, I think we 442 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: should start looking at you to really make a change 443 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: in and the everybody has to be involved. It can't 444 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: just be a city hall for you know, just all 445 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: the black people voicing their concerns about it. Put you know, 446 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: the white community, the Asian community, all our communities need 447 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: to just come together and be a part of this 448 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: change because everyone around is going to help police it. 449 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: Because now if a cop knows that that it's just 450 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: if it's not just one community that's policing them, it's everybody, 451 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: then they're going to make better decisions and they're gonna 452 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: want to do do better. And so, um, again it's 453 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: a very complicated situation, and I think that uh, we 454 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: have to start within our communities and and and bringing 455 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: human reality to uh to the people that we're seeing 456 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: on TV right now, and um, making it feel that 457 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: making these heaving these guys understand that there is a 458 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: human life just like yours and like actually we are people, 459 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: are not You're not just a robot. You're not a robot. 460 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: We're not robots. And so I had another comment that 461 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: came in that you know, I just wanted to ask 462 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: your opinion. Um, you know, my last episode year, I 463 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: don't have a racist bone in my body. And then 464 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: you know, you said it again today and they said 465 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: everyone is racist. Everyone has a part of them that 466 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: has you know, whether they can still have the purist 467 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: of intentions, But do you believe that every person? Because 468 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: I was. I was talking to my therapist about that, 469 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: and you know, and then she had told me that, 470 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, she's married to a black man, she's got 471 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: biracial kids, and you know that her husband also played 472 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: in the NFL for for ten years, and you know, 473 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: he he was telling her that he experienced racism in 474 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: his own race, where they would tell him that he 475 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: wasn't black enough, or that he wasn't you know, he 476 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: was because he was dating a white girl and he 477 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: didn't wasn't sleeping around with a bunch of people. And 478 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: and then you know, then we started talking about, okay, well, 479 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, is this person's com and then she asked 480 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: me the question, and so we just started this debate 481 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: and I just I'm just curious what your outlook and 482 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: when people say that, well, I think it's um from 483 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: from from me, you say, racist is more of a hate, 484 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: you know, because of your skin tone? Now, is there 485 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: some biggot and things and people I think everybody carries, um, 486 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: some biggert because they don't understand someone else's race. Um. 487 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: And that's what she said, opinions. She said, people can 488 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: have opinions, doesn't make them right. Yeah, right. So that's 489 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: kind of how I feel about it. And I think 490 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: that because you you don't have the ability to experience 491 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 1: someone else's you know, hardship, that you can form an opinion, 492 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: that it can come across as racist or come across 493 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: as been a biggert. Um you know, but it it 494 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: goes across all race lines. Like I said earlier, you know, 495 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: I had both sides of it, you know, marrying a 496 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: Caucasian woman and not being you know, black enough, and 497 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, being called oreo by my own you know, 498 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: my own race, and um, you know, but again it's you. 499 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: You as a as a person, know who you are, 500 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: and you stand for what is right, is right? And 501 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: if I don't know, I would ask and I would 502 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: talk and have a conversation if and you know, I 503 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: remember back and um, um, when I was at Old 504 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: miss and sitting down with a group of my friends 505 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: and having a female who just who just just did 506 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: know if she can approach me or not? And um, 507 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: and over several times in the you know, in this group, 508 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: his friend group, she found an approached me and and 509 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: she she told me that, you know, I see everyone 510 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: sitting around hanging out with you, laughing and joking, so 511 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: you must be a good person. But I was taught 512 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: something different. I taught all black people, Um, it's not good. 513 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: I mean all of you guys. And so she gained 514 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: a different perspective in life that that has changed and 515 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: shaped to me. And to this day we're still friends. 516 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: And and it's been you know, I think a lot 517 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: of it is taught within your community, but a lot 518 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: of it in the black community has been safety. It's 519 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: been around safety. You know, Like my mom was scared 520 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: for my life when the first time I was going 521 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: to meet my wife's family. She didn't know them, she 522 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: didn't know, you know what, respect because she grew up 523 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: in Mississippi where um, you just didn't do that. And 524 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: so um, so from our side, it's more of that, 525 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: just that's safety concerned about you. So some of them 526 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: may come across, as you know, they don't like you, 527 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: but it's it's it's more of safety for you. But 528 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: then also there's enough good people here that you didn't 529 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: have to go this way and so UM, so it's 530 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: it's it's it's challenging. It's been challenging, but it's um. 531 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: Also you you you learn a lot when when you're 532 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: outside of your conference zone. Man, I love you Spence 533 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: every time I see you like that one time I 534 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: saw you in church. I mean I see you in 535 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: church all time, but you just you know someone's heart. 536 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: You have an amazing heart. Gave me the best hug 537 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: one time he could tell I was down, gave me 538 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: the biggest freaking Spence hug. And you just like I 539 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: just I love you, I love your family. I'm sorry that. Um, 540 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm sorry that you've you've had to experience 541 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: these things and UM yeah it's hard to I don't 542 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: know the words, but I am sorry. Yeah. Yeah. I 543 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: just appreciate you guys and the work you guys are 544 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: doing that actually getting a position to be uncomfortable, be 545 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: out of your get out of your comfort rown and 546 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: have these conversations and um to be told that what 547 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: you said was UM, dismissive or whatever it may be, 548 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: and then you reflecting on it to coming back and 549 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: and helping other people understand how not to make those 550 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: same mistakes. And you know, and and with the listeners 551 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: that you guys have, I think hopefully hopefully everyone is 552 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: listening and taking notes and hopefully that they're learning something 553 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: that I understand how to have a conversation the right way, 554 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: because the conversation needs to be had. It can't be 555 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: swept on a rug anymore, and it needs to it 556 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: needs to be done in a way where we can 557 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: communicate understand each other's side, because again there's another side 558 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: of it, and that we also have to be able 559 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: to hear the other side of it. It's like, look, 560 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: I didn't grow up around black people, so I don't 561 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,719 Speaker 1: know how to act around black people, you know, so 562 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: you have to be able to hear that side as well, 563 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: and without it getting inflammatory and so um. So we 564 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: all have to come together. And I know it's a 565 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: lot to ask for us as black people to to 566 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: put our anger aside and have these conversations. Um but again, 567 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: right now, anger, the anger and the the deluding and 568 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: all the things that are happening right now in our 569 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: country is not going to solve the problem. It's it's 570 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: the voices that are people who are gonna be genuine 571 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: to step up to the plate and and help with 572 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: this issue, because it's gonna take a lot of people 573 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: to to gain traction and gain ground and solving this 574 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: issue so well spends. We appreciate you taking time out 575 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: of your day. Brother. You know, we love you. We 576 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: love you Catherine and you and your three kids, and 577 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: we just hope that you know, people could continue to 578 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: educate themselves and learn from from your words today. And 579 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: that's why I wanted we wanted to have you on 580 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: here because we knew, we know your heart, we know 581 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: you as a person, and we really hope people are 582 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: able to take something from this, and we know they will. Well. Hey, 583 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: I love you guys and your family, and I'm very 584 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: thankful for you guys to have me on a day 585 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: and um, you know, like I told Mike earlier, it's 586 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: like it's been an emotional week man, and and you know, 587 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: I'm not the most eloquent writer, but you know, I 588 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: just wanted to lend my voice to to what's going 589 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: on and um, and know that I'm praying hard that 590 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: you know, we find our way out of this this um, 591 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: this this mess we're in right now. So I love 592 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: you guys. You'll have one for day and thanks for 593 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: having me on. Thanks appreciate your words. All right, guys, 594 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: he's the he's the best, and you know, he was 595 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: the perfect one to have on because, like we said, 596 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: we we know him so well. We know he's able 597 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: to articulate things and um from a great, you know, 598 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: frame of mind. And it's just I really do feel 599 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: like my eyes are opening up more, my heart's opening 600 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: up more, and just comparing like sitting with him this 601 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: interview compared to last week is just like I felt 602 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: like I was assuming things, you know, again, because of 603 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: my own experience. I was stuck in my own experience, 604 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: so I was like assuming. But that's what it is. 605 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: It's like we can't assume. It's just like sitting down 606 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: with somebody else and being like, tell me about your 607 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: life experience each other, tell each other about your life experience. Well, 608 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: it's almost like when Mickey asked you if you wanted 609 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: to be She's like, if you had the choice, would 610 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: you be a black man? And to hear like Spencer 611 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: say the things that he has to, like he can't. 612 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 1: He feels fearful of his life to wear a mask 613 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: because the Corona it's like which I never even would 614 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: have thought about exactly. But it's not saying that from 615 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: a bad place. Yeah, it's just that's it's like you 616 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: didn't you would never have thought about that, But but 617 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: we didn't know that that would that that's even a 618 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 1: thing like how like why would because because we're not 619 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: we don't see that way, like we don't see like, well, 620 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: of course Spencer can wear a thing over something like, 621 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 1: we wouldn't assume, oh, because people are gonna think he's 622 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: breaking in. That's not our first, second, third, no, because 623 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: we don't look through that lens. We don't look through 624 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: that that racist lens. But but it's different when you 625 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: put yourself in that person's shoes, other than just being 626 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: like no, why would we know Spencer? Why did anyone 627 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: think that? And now because of the interview last week, 628 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: like we're able to see it differently and even you know, 629 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: I told you in bad the other day, I felt awful. Um. 630 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: You know, I had a conversation with um, one of 631 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: my close stars, Percy, when I was filming Christmas and 632 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: um Mississippi no losing oh yeah, Mississippi. And it was Christmas, 633 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: you know, and Um, and we were having a conversation 634 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: and I didn't listen to him. I really didn't, and 635 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: I you know, I was debating things. And I looked 636 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: back on that conversation in bed after the interview with 637 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 1: Mickey and I was like, oh my god, I need 638 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: to apologize to him. And I did, and you know, 639 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: he responded. I was like, I'm sorry. I didn't listen. 640 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: I was trying to debate a situation and that was 641 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: not up for debate. I should have listened to your 642 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: experiences and listen to why you kneel, why you do 643 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: these things, and not debate something. And I mean, I 644 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: show it to you. And I was crying. I was, 645 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: I was so upset, and he goes, it's beautiful that 646 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: because of what's going on in the world, you're able 647 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: to remember our conversation and and and have that introspection 648 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: and it's just like, like you said, it's just been 649 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: so eye opening. No, I mean to your point again, 650 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: it's about again, it's not a debate. It's about just 651 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 1: listening and not forcing your own opinions onto somebody else, 652 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: which I was watching, you know, ESPN this morning. Drew Brees, 653 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: one of the highest most character guys like in the NFL. 654 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: In an interview, he had stated that he would never 655 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: not stand for the national anthem. Where he kind of 656 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: went overboard with his words was he didn't believe anybody 657 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: should not stand for the national anthem because he feels 658 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: that it disrespects the flag, which we which we have 659 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: agreed upon. But now I'm like Neil, but now I 660 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: my thing is I'm actually seeing it less disrespect as 661 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: disrespectful for the flag, which is was my hardest thing 662 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: because you know, I have such a strong support in 663 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: my heart for the military. When I look at the flag, 664 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: that's what it represents for me. And what they're saying 665 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 1: is Drew is fine with what he said, but it's 666 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: just you can't put that down everybody. You can't make 667 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: that everyone's opinion that I think everybody should stand. Now 668 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, my person belief, I'm I'm gonna stand. 669 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: I would always stand, But if someone next to me 670 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: doesn't want to, cool and you're not gonna now look 671 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,359 Speaker 1: down on that as disrespectful towards the flag. Now it's 672 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: it's like again all so eye opening. It is, it 673 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: really really is, and this all is just crazy, and 674 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: I just I really hope that, for whatever it's worth, 675 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: with these last two episodes, that our listeners can just 676 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: are more willing to have a conversation, to talk to 677 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: somebody else that they're close to in their life that 678 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: may be a different race, a different religion, different in 679 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: any way, and just say, tell me about your life. 680 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: It's interesting because when I was talking to this with 681 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: my therapist, her son came home crying one day, and 682 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: her thirteen year old son, and you know, she's like, 683 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: what's wrong? And she said, he said, so and so 684 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 1: won't hang out with me because her parents said my 685 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: skin color is too dark. And you know, she's like, 686 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: it took every part in her to not get, you know, upset, 687 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: because she was trying to control you know, her emotions 688 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: and to make it more of a learning moment for her. 689 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: And she said, do you remember that kid that everyone 690 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: was making fun of that had disabilities at the lunch 691 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: table because no one was sitting with that person and 692 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: you looked, everyone looked at that kid with disability is different. 693 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: How does that How do you think that makes them 694 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: feel like maybe you can empathize with that person. Just 695 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: because they look different doesn't mean that they don't have 696 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: a story and pain and that you know, it's it's 697 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of the she was trying to say, Like, 698 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: it's kind of the same thing where it's like, just 699 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: because we look different, like doesn't mean that we should 700 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: be rude to other people or be mean or you know, 701 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: we should we should be nice to everyone and talk 702 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: to everybody and and include people no matter, you know, 703 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: just like expense his son because he's autistic. It's just 704 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: talk to them. Hey, sit next to that person at 705 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: the lunch table. You know that you and I to 706 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: kind of shift into it in to end this on 707 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: like a lighter note, is you and I have talked about, 708 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, when when Joelie and Chase get older, the 709 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: one thing that that one of the biggest things they 710 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: can do to piss to genuinely piss us off, is 711 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: if they're getting troubled for bullying or doing something like that, 712 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: that we just have no zero tolerance for that kind 713 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: of stuff because you and I have never been those people. 714 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: You know, We've always been welcoming to all kinds, you know, 715 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: ever since we're both kids. But that's just and that's 716 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: just another level of how sad this is that parents 717 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: like Spence and his wife Katherine have to have these 718 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: conversations with their kids at such a young young age, 719 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: Like Spence said, that society forces you to have to 720 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: have them at a young age and that just sucks. Well, guys, 721 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: that's our show for today. Um, see you next Monday.