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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: And out of control luxury BMW driver accused of mowing

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Speaker 2: down four beautiful Pepperdine University co eds, goes to court

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Speaker 2: and with a straightcase, demands a bond reduction so he,

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Speaker 2: the BMW driver, can use the extra money to hire

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Speaker 2: the high profile lawyer that represented Karen Reid. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. This guy, Fraser Baumb and Attorney Alan Jackson.

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Speaker 2: We're just in court demanding a reduction in bond. Now

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Speaker 2: the lawyer he wants to hire, an LA lawyer has

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Speaker 2: defended Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, most recently Karen Reid, and

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Speaker 2: he's trying to get Baum's bail redeased from four million

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Speaker 2: to ten million. Now why would the driver have a

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Speaker 2: four million dollar bond?

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 3: Four beautiful young college sorority girls in their early twenties

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Speaker 3: with bright futures set out for a fun night in Malibu,

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Speaker 3: but in a shocking turn of events, that evening soon

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Speaker 2: Joining us tonight in addition to an all star panel,

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Speaker 2: are two dear friends of the victims.

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Speaker 1: But first listen to this, these four females.

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Speaker 4: Are pronounced dead.

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Speaker 5: I see Fi Alpha Fi sisters arrived at Sigma Kaye's

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Speaker 5: party and are waiting outside when a red BMW speeding

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Speaker 5: down the PCH going at least one hundred miles per hour,

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Speaker 5: suddenly swears from the road and slams into parked cars.

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Speaker 5: Partygoers scream as the parked cars are shoved into Nave, Peyton, Asha,

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Speaker 5: and Deslin, while by standers call nine to one one

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Speaker 5: and attend to two others injured in the crash. The

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Speaker 5: BMW's driver gets out, stumbling away from the mangled cars.

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Speaker 2: So don't bother telling me he was too out of

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Speaker 2: it or injured to know what he is doing under

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Speaker 2: the law that is called flight. I'm sure veteran trial

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Speaker 2: lawyer Brian Klaypool will argue with me about that. What

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Speaker 2: you heard earlier was from our friends at Malibu Times.

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Speaker 2: Four beautiful co eds in the prime of their lives,

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Speaker 2: standing there minding their own business, are mowed down at

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Speaker 2: speeds up one hundred and four mph in a residential area.

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Speaker 2: Now will a rich brat manage to escape justice? Having

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Speaker 2: just hired a controversial defense attorney that helped Karen Reid

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Speaker 2: get an acquittal again with me in All Star panel.

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Speaker 2: But first I want to go to two very special guests.

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Speaker 2: Bridget Thompson, roommate and bestie with the Pepperdine crash victims,

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Speaker 2: and Coco Crandall, also roommate and best friend of the

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Speaker 2: crash victims. You know, to Coco Crandall, I don't call

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Speaker 2: it an accident because when you put your foot to

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Speaker 2: the pedal and exceed one hundred and four mph, that's

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Speaker 2: no accident. This is a crash. Tell me what you know, Coco,

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Speaker 2: about the night of the deadly crash.

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Speaker 1: It stole your friends from you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I remember getting a call that night saying, you know,

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Speaker 7: don't freak out, there's been an accident and we think

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Speaker 7: it was Ash's car.

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Speaker 6: So I immediately drove down there.

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Speaker 7: I was like, to have no family, all their families

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Speaker 7: Bridget met me at Bridge, met at the scene or

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Speaker 7: as close as and as we could get. But we

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Speaker 7: just sat on the curb all night, not really knowing

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Speaker 7: what was going on. But then you know, news broken

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Speaker 7: once we hadn't heard from them for a couple hours

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Speaker 7: because we were always in contact with our friends.

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Speaker 6: We knew that something was wrong.

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Speaker 2: I'm just imagining U, Coco crandall sitting there on the curb.

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Speaker 2: I've got to tell you, I've been to so many

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Speaker 2: crime scenes and seeing family and loved ones and best

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Speaker 2: friends like you literally sitting on a curb because there's

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Speaker 2: nowhere to go, there's nowhere to sit, and you just

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Speaker 2: It's like everything comes to a standstill. Everything seems to

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Speaker 2: know something, to find out something. Bridget Thompson also with

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Speaker 2: do you recall about that night?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? For me, I actually was supposed to be with

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Speaker 8: them that night. I had cheer practice that night and

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Speaker 8: it ended running a little late, so I texted them

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Speaker 8: And as I was on my way, I got a

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Speaker 8: along the same lines as Coco, and just thought there

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Speaker 1: Feeling, Bridget. When you got to the scene, what did

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Speaker 8: Couldn't get passed, like the police officer that was blocking

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Speaker 8: us off, So really it was just a bunch of

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Speaker 8: in the distance we saw a bunch of sirens ambulances,

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Speaker 1: Did anyone or could anyone tell you what had happened?

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Speaker 8: Not directly. There was things coming out in the news

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Speaker 8: and that's kind of how we found out our information.

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Speaker 8: We heard there was four dead, six involved, so we

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Speaker 1: Bridget.

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Speaker 2: Did you try and question the police or try and

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Speaker 2: ask anyone any questions?

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Speaker 8: We definitely did, but we knew that there wasn't really

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Speaker 8: information that they could give us.

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Speaker 1: What did you do, who did you try to speak to?

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Speaker 1: What time of the night was this?

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Speaker 8: The crash occurred at eight thirty pm, so we were

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Speaker 8: trying to speak to just the police officers standing, you know,

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Speaker 8: all night trying to see if we could locate them anywhere,

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Speaker 8: because at this point we didn't know that they had

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Speaker 8: died at the scene and a hospital just wasn't necessary.

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Speaker 2: Coco Crandall also joining us in addition to Bridget Thompson. Coco,

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Speaker 2: were you there sitting on the curb waiting for answers

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so Bridget and I'm happy to get there around

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Speaker 7: the same time, and we both were pleading to the

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Speaker 7: on what was going on, and we're like, we know,

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Speaker 7: those are our friends in the scene. We can track them.

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Speaker 7: We see they're not quite at the party, and yeah,

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Speaker 7: like Bridget said, they couldn't really give us any answers.

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Speaker 7: So we just sat there for hours, you know, calling

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Speaker 6: They had our friends tracking them, and probably, I.

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Speaker 7: Mean, like Bridget said, I don't know if I even

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Speaker 7: fully remember a time, but I think it was around

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Speaker 7: to Pepperdine's campus up until you know, six am the

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Speaker 7: next morning when more information was released.

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Speaker 1: Who told the girls parents?

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Speaker 7: Originally the school was the one to break it to them,

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Speaker 7: but the parents. I mean, you know, mothers know when

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Speaker 7: something's wrong, and so a lot of the parents were

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Speaker 7: also calling and just saying, hey, you know what's going on?

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Speaker 7: Where's my do you know where my daughter is?

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Speaker 6: Whatever?

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Speaker 7: But the court it took a while for the coroner

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Speaker 2: Bridget, When did you first say or speak with the

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Speaker 8: I was in touch with some of them over the

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Speaker 8: October eighteenth, I someone came up to my room and said,

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Speaker 8: And I just broke down because that was like a

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Speaker 2: Oh my stars, I cannot even imagine going down and

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Speaker 8: No, I didn't go back to that immediately, never went

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Speaker 8: had us in a hotel room on campus. When you

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Speaker 8: first saw the parents what happened, it was hard. They

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Speaker 8: were obviously a mess beside themselves. They were unclear of

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Speaker 8: what had happened exactly. So I tried to give them

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Speaker 8: all the information that I knew, but it was a

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Speaker 8: situation that I wouldn't wish on anyone. It was really

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Speaker 1: Coca, what do you recall?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I, like Bridget said, remember the parents coming up.

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Speaker 6: They came so fast.

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Speaker 7: And I remember when Ash's parents came, because they had

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Speaker 7: flew from the East Coast, and there was just so

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Speaker 7: much sadness and grief and heaviness all around. And I

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Speaker 7: and I remember seeing her brothers and there was just.

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Speaker 6: A lot of tears shed.

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Speaker 7: And eventually we got to kind of all sit in

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Speaker 7: and we tried to just you know, tell their parents

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Speaker 7: more about the how Malibu was a happy place for them.

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Speaker 2: It's just reminding me so much of when my fiance

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Speaker 2: and days after, it doesn't seem real. Your head knows

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Speaker 2: And you're like remembering events together, things you did together.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's some sort of comfort or

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Speaker 2: solace to your mind as you try to absorb what

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Speaker 2: has happened. Bridget You stated you did not go back

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Speaker 8: Why Oh, I just couldn't. I mean, when I left there,

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Speaker 8: I could still picture them right now. They were all

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Speaker 8: them I would see them after cheer practice, and we

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Speaker 8: we spent every second together. So I couldn't imagine going

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Speaker 8: When I walked in our apartment, it was clear that

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Speaker 8: they were meant to come back. It was clear they

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Speaker 8: had their pajamas set all on their bed, their lights

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Speaker 8: still on they were they were meant to come back.

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Speaker 8: I just it was truly heartbreaking.

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Speaker 2: Then I you are at the crash saying girls did

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Speaker 2: eat see the descendant, No, we did not.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: In the last days, the California judge comes to his

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Speaker 2: senses and refuses.

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Speaker 1: To lower bail for the quote.

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Speaker 2: Out of control BMW driver accused of mowing down four

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Speaker 2: Pepperdine co eds, mowing them down dead.

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Speaker 1: The judge said it's not the court's.

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Speaker 2: Job to help the defendant pay for a high profile lawyer,

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Speaker 2: the same lawyer who recently got Karen Reid acquitted in

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Speaker 2: a shock verdict. The driver, Fraser Baum, twenty three, is

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Speaker 2: facing murder and vehicular manslaughter charges for allegedly plowing into

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Speaker 2: four sorority sisters.

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Speaker 1: This is what happened.

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Speaker 2: Crime story is investigative reporter Dave Mack Who who is

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Speaker 9: His name is Fraser Bohm. He is a twenty three

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Speaker 2: Do you say that, I'm looking at a pature of

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Speaker 1: Can we circle back to that place?

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Speaker 2: And he's got rings on every finger, he's dripping in

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Speaker 1: What did you say about a seven million.

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Speaker 9: Dollar what an eight point seven million dollar seaside mansion

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Speaker 10: In this particular incident, we lost four young people with

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Speaker 10: Asha Ware were seniors at Pepperdine and they were mining

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Speaker 11: Between two and a half to four and a half seconds.

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Speaker 12: Prior to the provision, the defendancy vehicle was at sheet

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Speaker 2: Four miles an hour KTLA five loved by all who

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Speaker 3: They were sisters, bonded through Pepperdine's alpha feet. While they

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Speaker 3: were planning a glamorous night out, one young Malibu man

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Speaker 2: Exactly what happened the night that these girls were mowed

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Speaker 2: we know of one hundred and four mph. They're standing

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Speaker 1: Now they're dead.

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Speaker 2: Four gorgeous, young, innocent, beautiful girls.

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Speaker 1: They're gone.

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Speaker 2: Name Peyton, Asha, Desert gone tonight. We're analyzing why. You

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, gone, Let me say it correctly.

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Speaker 2: Why they're dead. They're dead, and don't you know their

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Speaker 1: You just met two of their best friends that they

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Speaker 2: It could have been them too. It didn't matter who

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Speaker 1: It didn't matter.

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Speaker 2: To the defendant, who was driving his brand new BMW

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Speaker 1: Least one hundred and four mph.

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Speaker 10: On October seventeenth, had a round a thirty pm. Mister

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Speaker 10: Bond was allegedly speeding up speeding at a spece of

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Speaker 10: He allegedly crashed into a park car before crashing into

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Speaker 10: All the young women die of the scene.

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Speaker 1: To top it all off, it's a fixed object.

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Speaker 2: Out of everywhere you could drive your car, you plow

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Speaker 1: And listen to.

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Speaker 5: This party host Sigma Kai brothers tackle the mail driver

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Speaker 8: I just saw some people taking him out of the

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Speaker 8: and he was just yelling and screaming.

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Speaker 2: From my friends at KTLA five joining me. Veteran trial lawyer,

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Speaker 2: defense attorney Brian Claypool, Managing partner Claypool Law Firm, author

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Speaker 2: of Break the Code of Silence, Raising My Voice to

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Speaker 2: Protect our kids, Brian Claypool.

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Speaker 1: He tried to get away. That's called flight.

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Speaker 2: Under the law, so don't tell me he was out

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Speaker 2: of his mind, or he was depressed, or.

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Speaker 1: He hit his head.

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Speaker 2: He tried to get away, Brian, that's damning under the law.

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Speaker 1: The guys had to tackle him and drag him back.

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Speaker 11: Look, this is a heartbreaking tragedy.

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Speaker 13: I mean, we all have kids, but we can't measure

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Speaker 13: how a young man is going to react to a

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Speaker 13: traumatic situation. It's not like he hopped in a buddy's

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Speaker 1: Are you making that Why are you making that up?

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Speaker 2: It's not like he hopped in a buddy's car. Maybe

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Speaker 2: he would have, but he didn't have a buddy's car there.

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Speaker 2: So he did all he could do, and he took

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Speaker 1: He tried to run.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true, Claypool, that that is evidence of guilt.

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Speaker 2: Flight is evidence of guilt when you try to get

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Speaker 13: Right, No, you know you're right. And that's why Alan

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Speaker 13: Jackson has a tough case ahead too. It's not just

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Speaker 13: because he won the Karen Reid trial. Remember in that

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Speaker 13: case there you couldn't even establish the manner of death

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Speaker 13: in that.

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Speaker 2: Case, Ryan Claypool, this is not about Karen Reid, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about these four young girls and this guy

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Speaker 2: trying to get away from the scene. That's what I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about. So let me try to get the car

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Speaker 1: The middle of the road.

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Speaker 2: Cay do you address him trying to leave the scene

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Speaker 2: and I haven't even gotten to the crash yet.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Nancy, Look, flight is evidence of guilt. It doesn't

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Speaker 13: Every defendant in a criminal case is entitled to a defense,

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Speaker 13: whether we'd like that or not. So what he's likely

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Speaker 13: going to argue in the defense of Boem is the following.

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Speaker 13: Was there a potential malfunction in his car? They're going

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Speaker 13: to expect examine the car. How did he go from.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just caved up my hot tea.

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Speaker 2: A malfunction in the car, like lead foot, like his

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Speaker 2: foot on the pedal?

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Speaker 1: What possible?

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Speaker 2: Now you know what, I'm glad you said that because

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Speaker 2: I happened to have an accident reconstruction with me, a renowned.

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Speaker 1: One, which I'm going to follow up with what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: But I like that.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, spend me some more gold. Rumpel stilts can accident, malfunction.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, I can't write fast enough.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Well, the other argument that his previous lawyer made was

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Speaker 13: he was involved in a road raid road rage incident.

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Speaker 13: So that's going to be investigated by Alan Jackson. And

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Speaker 13: if there was a road.

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Speaker 2: Rage, let me make sure I understand what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about the mystery vehicle, the mystery vehicle that

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Speaker 2: was chasing him that nobody's been able to find on

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Speaker 2: any of the road camp that car.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's the car, right, and that's what they'll look into.

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Speaker 2: They're going to have to look really hard, really hard.

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Speaker 2: It may take a little let me just say, creative

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Speaker 1: He's claiming, something.

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Speaker 2: Along the lines of he cut somebody off because he

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Speaker 2: the four girls.

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Speaker 1: That's one of his arguments. On other arnament I.

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Speaker 11: Think to look one of his other arguments. My job

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Speaker 1: What a defense way hold on Dave mac joining me.

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Speaker 1: I want to follow up on everything.

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Speaker 2: Claypool is saying, because well, I don't buy any of it.

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Speaker 2: It could be a defense that they try to raise

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Speaker 2: a trial, and the best thing the prosecution can do

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Speaker 2: shoot it down when it Here's it, sugly head. Dave

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Speaker 2: Mack tell me about the mystery road rage incident.

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Speaker 9: There's a man named Victor Calandra. He's a resident of

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Speaker 9: to Fraser Bomb Boom, and he says that Bomb was

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Speaker 2: You know, there's going to be footage of that, Dave, Mac,

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Speaker 2: What stretch of the road was the alleged road rage incident.

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Speaker 1: Where now we're learning from the other driver.

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Speaker 2: He was trying to motion to boom to slow the

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Speaker 9: Well, we're dealing with, you know stretch of the PCH

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Speaker 9: the Las Flores Canyon stoplight. That's where they caught up.

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Speaker 9: So it's a very short area where they actually caught

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Speaker 9: up at the light where calandrac You know.

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Speaker 1: What you just used off.

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Speaker 2: You just made me so happy, Mac, which typically does

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Speaker 2: made me so happy because to Joseph Tremblay joining me

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Speaker 2: Senior forensic Engineer Accident Reconstruction with Veritech Consulting Engineering. Tremblay,

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Speaker 2: that was the music to my ears because I heard

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Speaker 2: PCH Pacific Coast Highway and we all know it is

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Speaker 1: I heard dead Man's Curve, which, as.

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Speaker 2: I recall, has signs posted the curvy nature like beware

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Speaker 1: I bet you they have a traffic cam as well.

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Speaker 2: Because this could corroborate the witnesses story, it could corroborate

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Speaker 2: all this mean to you, Tremblay.

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Speaker 14: When I look into a case like this, I start

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Speaker 11: Turn is ahead.

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Speaker 14: But the speed limit in that area is forty five

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Speaker 11: He was going fifty nine over the speed limit.

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Speaker 1: That's more than double this hold Tremblay.

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Speaker 2: I did a little research last night, and we found

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Speaker 2: There's also some forty fives, but in spots where he was,

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's an incredible excess of speed.

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Speaker 11: I'd like to also.

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Speaker 14: Point out that the dynamics of this impact suggests that

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Speaker 14: he contacted three other cars.

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Speaker 11: Those cars have significant damage.

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Speaker 14: There's actually photographs of those vehicles that he contacted, and

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Speaker 14: to be honest with you, those cars probably diminished the

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Speaker 14: impact severity that he produced against these four lovely young women.

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Speaker 2: So Joseph Tremblay and regular people talk. What you're saying

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Speaker 2: is the cars he crashed into to start with were

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Speaker 2: a barrier, a buffer to the victims, and they would

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Speaker 2: have suffered even more had it not crashed into those

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Speaker 2: cars to start with.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and four mp eight, that's correct.

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Speaker 11: This is just such a severe impact.

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Speaker 8: The four females both pronounced dead I see Bi Alpha

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Speaker 8: Fi sisters arrived at Sigma Kaye's party and are waiting

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Speaker 8: outside when a.

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Speaker 4: Red BMW speeding down the PCH going at least one

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Speaker 4: hundred miles per hour, suddenly swears from the road and

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Speaker 4: slams into parked cars. Partygoers scream as the parked cars

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Speaker 4: are shoved into Nave, Peyton Asha and Deslin, while bystanders

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Speaker 4: call nine to one one and attend to two others

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Speaker 4: injured in the crash. The BMW's driver gets out, stumbling

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Speaker 4: away from the mangled cars.

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Speaker 1: From Alabi Times.

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Speaker 3: In a chilling turn of events, twenty two year old

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Speaker 3: Fraser Boem tore through the infamous stretch of Pacific Coast

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Speaker 3: Highway known as dead Man's Curve, doing over one hundred

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Speaker 3: miles per hour and a forty five mile per hour zone.

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Speaker 3: He was behind the wheel of his luxurious BMW, allegedly

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Speaker 3: fleeing from a road rage altercation. When his recklessness would

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Speaker 3: create a nightmare, no one could have imagined it.

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Speaker 2: A BMW brand new to him, just gifted to him

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Speaker 2: by his parents.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now.

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Speaker 2: In addition to Karen Stark, renowned forensic psychologist doctor Kendall

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Speaker 2: Crowns joining US Chief Medical Examiner Terrence County. That's Fort Worth,

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Speaker 2: Starva brand new hit podcast Mayhem and the Morgue. He

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Speaker 2: is esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at

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Speaker 2: TCU and has performed literally thousands, thousands of autopsies, accidents,

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Speaker 2: natural causes, suicides, and homicides, including vehy killer homicides. Doctor

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Speaker 2: Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us. The girls

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Speaker 2: standing there minding their own business, waiting to go into

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Speaker 2: I believe Bridget and Coco it was a Sigma Kai party.

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Speaker 1: Was that where they were headed?

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Speaker 8: Yes, it was a mixer. It was like an event

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Speaker 8: for sporty. It wasn't a part.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what's the difference.

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Speaker 8: There was no drinking involved.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I neither had to be a difference, because when you

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Speaker 2: put the Sigma Kais and the Alpha Fies together in

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Speaker 2: one place, it sounds like a party to me. So

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Speaker 2: my Coco, crandall were they waiting outside to go in.

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Speaker 7: So they weren't from our understanding, they weren't necessarily waiting.

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Speaker 6: They actually had parked their car. If you're familiar with PCH,

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Speaker 6: you only can park on the street.

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Speaker 15: Park their car, got out of their car and were

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Speaker 15: walking to the house to go to the mixer, and

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Speaker 15: in the process of walking, that's when they were got it.

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Speaker 1: Got it.

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Speaker 2: So they're walking into a mixer. Wow, Okay, Dodger Kendle Crowns.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to make sure I understood what they

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Speaker 2: were doing. You know another reason I wanted to know,

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Speaker 2: doctor Crown's because so often, somehow the victims turn out

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Speaker 2: to be the bad guys in the media and with

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Speaker 2: the defense no offense. Brian Claypool, I know you do

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Speaker 2: everything you can to help your client, but doctor.

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Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns, they were a not drinking.

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Speaker 2: They would be on the side of a street walking

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Speaker 2: into the Sigma Chai house for a non alcoholic mixer.

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Speaker 1: I just want to be very clear, all dressed up and.

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Speaker 2: Their party outfits, having all gotten ready together back at

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Speaker 2: their place they all shared with our guests. I mean,

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Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns, you know what time it is, right,

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at colleges right now for the twins and

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Speaker 2: hearing something like this just pushes me over the edge.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendll Crown's, what happened to these girls when they

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Speaker 2: were hit by a couple of tons of metal at

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Speaker 2: one hundred and four miles per hour.

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Speaker 12: So what happens when a car is going at a

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Speaker 12: very high rated speed and it hits a pedestrian. Initially,

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Speaker 12: the bumper comes into contact at about your knee level

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Speaker 12: and fulds your knee and because of your side to

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Speaker 12: strike the upper porch of the front of the car,

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Speaker 12: and that pitches the body onto the hood. The head

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Speaker 12: hits the hood or the wind shield, and at that

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Speaker 12: high rate of speed, the body will flip up over

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Speaker 12: the car and then fly through the air and land

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Speaker 12: on the ground. Now, one of the other things when

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Speaker 12: you're having someone drive at that high rate of speed

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Speaker 12: is you'll get traumatic amputations where the legs will be

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Speaker 12: severed from the point of impact and then just kind

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Speaker 12: of spread out all over the roadway. We also might see,

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Speaker 12: depending on their height, amputations that the hit area bodies

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Speaker 12: cut in half and even potentially from the speed with

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Speaker 12: the head hitting the windshield decapitation, it will be massive

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Speaker 12: internal injuries, fractures of all the extremities, ribs, pelvis, and

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Speaker 12: then the organs themselves will be ruptured or lacerated as well.

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Speaker 12: It's actually high speed velocity pedestrians accidents are very gruesome.

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Speaker 2: Events, Doctor Kindall Crowns, How many cases like this.

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Speaker 1: Have you worked?

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Speaker 9: So?

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Speaker 12: Pedestrian instruck by vehicles are fairly common, we see them

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Speaker 12: at least probably once a week, But high speed pedestrian

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Speaker 12: instruck by vehicles are very rare because mostly, most of

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Speaker 12: the time, pedestrians aren't on the highway and most people

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Speaker 12: aren't driving their cars at one hundred and four miles

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Speaker 12: per hour when they hit a pedestrian.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned that last comment. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: circle back to you, doctor Kndall Crowns for more of

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Speaker 2: an in depth analysis of what the victims may have

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Speaker 2: lived through. But Brian Claypool joining US veteran trial lawyer

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Speaker 2: managing partner Claypool Law Firm joining US out of California, did.

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Speaker 1: You hear what he said?

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Speaker 2: Very rarely are victims walking on a highway where high

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Speaker 2: speed crashes normally happened. This was not a highway, and

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Speaker 2: they were walking along the edge of a pedestrian street

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Speaker 2: where the mph was thirty five.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, hey, Nancy, I get that, But I think what

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Speaker 13: Alan Jackson is going to do in this case is

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Speaker 13: he's going to go after the County of Los Angeles

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Speaker 13: and or the city of MALIBURNI. It's likely the county

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Speaker 13: for failing to adequately maintain that road. What do I

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Speaker 13: mean by that? Your entire show, you've mentioned probably four

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Speaker 13: or five times dead Man's Curve. It was also called

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Speaker 13: Hell's Corner. The county's on notice that this is a

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Speaker 13: dangerous curve. Why wasn't there better lighting? That's what he's

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Speaker 13: going to argue, And he's going.

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Speaker 11: To argue also, was there a guardrail here?

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Speaker 13: I don't think there was, And if there wasn't, there

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Speaker 13: should have been, and that might have minimized the impact,

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Speaker 13: and this tragedy might have been a.

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Speaker 1: Verb Well, at least you're going down swinging.

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Speaker 2: You're going to try and blame bad lighting and no

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Speaker 2: guardrail and push it all off on the county. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that sounds more like a civil lawsuit claim where you're

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Speaker 2: trying to distribute the monetary damages. I'm talking about a

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Speaker 2: criminal trial for vehicular homicide. I'm sure, Claypool that you

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Speaker 2: are familiar with the abandoned and malignant heart theory under

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Speaker 2: the law, which rises too. I would like this to

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Speaker 2: be prosecuted as murder not vehicular homicide because of the

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Speaker 2: abandoned and malignant heart theory. Malice murder murder one can

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Speaker 2: be proven in many different ways. One is, of course,

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Speaker 2: when you say I'm going to kill you, Claypool, I've

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Speaker 2: had it and I take.

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Speaker 1: A gun, hold it up and shoot you dead. Okay,

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Speaker 1: That is.

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Speaker 2: Clear, extrinsic and implicit evidence of intent to murder. There

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Speaker 2: is another theory called abandon and malignant heart. What does

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Speaker 2: that mean? Here's an example. You drive one hundred and

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Speaker 2: four miles an hour through let's just say a street

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Speaker 2: festival that's been blocked off where people are selling food,

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Speaker 2: food and homemade items and crafts. And there are two

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Speaker 2: hundred people there on a Sunday afternoon, drinking lemonade and

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Speaker 2: eating kebabs.

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Speaker 1: And suddenly here you.

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Speaker 2: Come, Claypool, one hundred and four mph, plowing through the

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Speaker 2: street festival and you kill people. That shows an abandoned heart.

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Speaker 2: In other words, you have a heart which is abandon

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Speaker 2: of empathy for other people, and you do something so

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Speaker 2: insanely reckless it equals murder. That would be my argument

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Speaker 2: to this jury. And you're trying to blame bad lighting

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Speaker 2: I respect that.

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Speaker 13: Well, Look, look, I spectfully disagree on that that my

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Speaker 13: argument applies to a civil case.

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Speaker 11: You know as well as I do.

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Speaker 13: You've got a proof causation even in the murder case here,

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Speaker 13: And what Jackson is going to argue is there could

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Speaker 13: be concurrent concurrent causation. And here's another point. In order

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Speaker 13: to prove murder in the situation in California, I approve

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Speaker 13: causation what's called implied malice, not that he intended to

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Speaker 13: drive over these young women. You've got to prove that

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Speaker 13: he acted in such conscious disregard for the lives of

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Speaker 13: others that he knew that it was lead that these

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Speaker 13: young women would die. And what Jackson is going to

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Speaker 13: argue is that wasn't in his frame of mind that

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Speaker 13: he didn't intend on doing that, didn't intend on trying

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Speaker 13: to ebody.

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Speaker 2: Again, you just made me so happy because you said

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Speaker 2: he didn't intend it. But isn't the black and white

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Speaker 2: letter of the law, which will be read to the

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Speaker 2: jury and jury instructions just after closing arguments that the

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Speaker 2: law presumes the definitt intends the natural consequences of his act.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that true?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm not sure if that's a jury instruction in California,

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Speaker 13: you could try to make that argument as a prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: Let me refresh your regulation.

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Speaker 2: It is don't you want you what you want to

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Speaker 2: that you can consequence of your act.

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Speaker 13: Look, if this case goes to trial, Boem is going

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Speaker 13: to have to testify to try to refute. Wait, let's

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Speaker 13: assume you're correct, Nancy, then he's going to have to

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Speaker 13: testify to tell a jury what was going on in

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Speaker 13: his mind at the time of this incident. And that's

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Speaker 13: really what Jackson is going to have to do here.

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Speaker 1: What's in his mind? Why do I care what he's thinking?

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Speaker 16: You should care because there is the first question Jackson

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Speaker 16: is going to ask him, did you intend on driving

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Speaker 16: off the side of the road to kill these young ladies?

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Speaker 16: That that is relevant in this trial to refute your

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Speaker 16: abandoned heart theory, it is, Nancy.

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Speaker 2: Abandoned heart means you at with such gross negligence, with

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Speaker 2: a malignant heart, that you kill others. What you're thinking

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Speaker 2: does not go as size called negligence.

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Speaker 1: You're not thinking, Hey, I want to kill four girls all.

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Speaker 2: Dressed up in the party dresses to go to the

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Speaker 2: Sigma Kai mixer. You don't have to think that if

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Speaker 2: I go into the Mall of America with an oozy

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Speaker 2: and start firing, I don't have to.

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Speaker 1: Know who my victims are. I don't have to mean

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Speaker 1: to kill them. That is an abandon and malignant heart,

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Speaker 1: and that is murder.

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Speaker 2: But I just looked it up just to make sure

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Speaker 2: I was right, and guess what I am. The law

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Speaker 2: presumes that you intend the natural consequences of your act,

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Speaker 2: and it's called in your jurisdiction non target offense liability.

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Speaker 1: You don't.

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Speaker 2: Just like I said, if I take a piece of

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Speaker 2: thin china so fine you can see through it and

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Speaker 2: I throw it to the ground, Wow, what did I

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Speaker 2: intend to do?

663
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Speaker 1: Break it?

664
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Speaker 2: When you drive one hundred and four mph in a

665
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Speaker 2: residential area where people are by the road, the natural

666
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: consequence of your act is is a crash. Let me

667
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 2: ask Cocoa Crandall and Bridget Thompson first to you, Bridget,

668
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: have you ever been in that area before? Have you

669
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Speaker 2: ever seen the Sigma Kai house?

670
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Speaker 1: Yes?

671
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Speaker 8: Absolutely?

672
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Speaker 1: And is it a residential area? What's around it? Are

673
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Speaker 1: there homes?

674
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Speaker 8: Yes, it's one hundred percent of residential area. It's lined

675
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 8: on both sides with homes.

676
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Speaker 2: Are there other fraternity homes or arity homes on that street?

677
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Speaker 8: There is one, but it's not like a Greek row

678
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 8: or anything. But there's definitely residential.

679
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: So they're private residences.

680
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: Yes, so good luck with that, Brian Claypool that there

681
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: needed to be a guard rail to prevent this horrific,

682
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: deadly crash. You're going to blame a guard rail or

683
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: bad lighting? Oh, I can't wait.

684
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Speaker 13: Well, one other thing I would do if I'm Jackson

685
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Speaker 13: is again I disagree as a state.

686
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Speaker 11: Of mind a bomb. I think you have to ask

687
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 11: him why did he go.

688
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 13: From ninety three miles an hour to one hundred and

689
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Speaker 13: four miles an hour.

690
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 11: That gets to your defense.

691
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 13: I mean, if he has some rational explanation as to

692
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 13: why the car accelerated ten miles an hour in a

693
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 13: short amount of time, he might be able to get

694
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Speaker 13: over this.

695
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: Advantage technical legal term. He's an a hole? Did they

696
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: teach you that at Harvard Law School? An a hole?

697
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 10: The defendant knew his actions were dangerous to human life

698
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 10: and deliberately acted with consciousness regard for human life, committing

699
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 10: four counts of imply malice murder. In this case, I

700
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 10: can't say this enough. We have to realize that when

701
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 10: we're driving a car, we have the potential of killing others.

702
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 10: When we're driving at one hundred plus miles an hour

703
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 10: only forty five mile per hour zone, the only reasonable

704
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 10: conclusion that kid arrive out of their behavior is harming others.

705
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 17: I told her that the greatest steps to her young,

706
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 17: vibrant life and the future goals was a multi vehicle accident,

707
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 17: which is still the leading cause of death in an

708
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 17: age group at that time. ASDA, that seems I've lost

709
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Speaker 17: the argument.

710
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Speaker 2: You were just saying Deslin's dad, Desmond Williams speaking and

711
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: that's my friends at Pepperdine University YouTube trying to make

712
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: sense of a nonsensical tragedy. He's one of eight parents

713
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 2: devastated tonight while we're on air. They're at home, sitting

714
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: in their dims and around their supper tables looking at

715
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: an empty spot. Maybe they're sitting in the girl's bedroom.

716
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: Maybe they're driving by their apartment thinking about what was

717
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: I want to go to two very special guests, but

718
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: first to Karen Stark, joining US forensic psychologist, renowned TV

719
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 2: radio Trump expert. You can find her at Karenstark dot Com.

720
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Speaker 2: She has dealt with so many survivors trying to make

721
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: sense of a new normal. Sharen, Please, what is your

722
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: advice to these two girls joining us today.

723
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Speaker 18: I think that they need to do exactly what they're doing, Nancy.

724
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 18: They have to keep talking about this, and I'm so

725
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 18: glad they're on the show. I'm very sorry that this

726
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 18: has happened. But the more they get involved, the more

727
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 18: they talk about what this person did, dispeeding all of

728
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 18: the neglect, the better they're going to feel. It will

729
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 18: never ever go away, unfortunately, don't we know that. I

730
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 18: think everyone knows that that hole in the heart never closes,

731
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 18: but over time it will get better. Just keep spreading

732
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 18: the message that this is terrortle and should never have happened.

733
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Speaker 6: And remember your.

734
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Speaker 1: Friends, girls.

735
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Speaker 2: When I first moved to New York to start off

736
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: at Court TV, Karen and I would watch trials together

737
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,959
Speaker 2: in a dark studio and we would talk about what

738
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Speaker 2: the victims had gone through. Do you remember that, Karen,

739
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 2: all those years, eleven years, had those dark studios. And

740
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: She's right, it won't go away. It changes. You don't

741
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 2: cry every single day, but probably right now that's still

742
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: your situation. And Karen please jump in whenever you have

743
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: a suggestion. Bridget and Cocoa, tell me about what life

744
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 2: was like living with these beautiful girls.

745
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: First to you, Bridget, Uh.

746
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 8: Yeah, life was nothing short of perfect. When I met them,

747
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 8: my life literally changed. They were the most amazing people

748
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 8: I have ever met, and I think I will ever meet.

749
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Speaker 8: They made every day a better one. They knew how

750
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 8: to pick me up when I was down. They were

751
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 8: always a shoulder to cry on.

752
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 6: It was.

753
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Speaker 8: It was just the best to live with them, To

754
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 8: wake up to their good mornings every morning, to go

755
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 8: to bed hearing their good nights. I just miss it

756
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 8: a lot. You know.

757
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: It struck me, Bridget that when either you or Coke

758
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: I went back to the apartment, I.

759
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: Believe it was you.

760
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: Their pj's were still lying out on the bed or

761
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: they replaced them to hop.

762
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: Into when they got home.

763
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, they were.

764
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Speaker 2: Coco, tell me about a typical day that you would

765
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: have waking up with these beautiful girls.

766
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.

767
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 7: I mean it literally felt like a dream every morning

768
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 7: getting to wake up with them. They are, like Bridget said,

769
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Speaker 7: they are the bestest of friends, and I don't think

770
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Speaker 7: we'll ever find friends like that.

771
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Speaker 6: Again, they're truly I don't even.

772
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Speaker 7: Think most people are lucky enough to have friends like

773
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 7: we did in their whole lifetime. But we would wake

774
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 7: up and we always had a playlist that we would

775
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 7: play mornings, and we would wake up, open the curtains

776
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 7: of the sunshine in just sit in our pjs, make breakfast,

777
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 7: play music.

778
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 6: We lived obviously.

779
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 7: Great area, so we'd walk to the beach a lot

780
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 7: of time, either on walks along zoom A Beach or

781
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 7: at point Doom.

782
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 6: Spent a lot of time in the water just swimming around.

783
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 7: And then I feel like we always would go get

784
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Speaker 7: dinner at our favorite Italian place in Malibo, and I

785
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 7: mean it's such a simple day. But any day with them,

786
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 7: whether we were doing nothing or anything and everything was

787
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 7: just such a dream. And I know, well I can

788
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 7: speak for Bridget and I like we would give anything

789
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Speaker 7: just to have one more day with them.

790
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Speaker 1: Do you ever dream about them?

791
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 6: Yeah?

792
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I mean so after the accident, because I lived

793
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 7: with Dosit and Bridget lived with the rest. Bridget and

794
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 7: I moved in together afterwards into a different apartment and

795
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 7: would be like we both had dreams and it felt

796
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 7: so real that both of us were like, we don't

797
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 7: want to ever wake up because we just want to

798
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 7: keep dreaming.

799
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Speaker 6: And some of them felt so real.

800
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Speaker 7: Some of them were dreams about them coming back and

801
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 7: telling us like, hey, we're okay, we're in we're in

802
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 7: a spot, and you know, it happened so fast, and

803
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 7: like I want you guys to know we're okay, and

804
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 7: so Bridget and I would just wake up and sometimes

805
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 7: just like cry together from our dreams because they felt

806
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 7: so real. But then we'd wake up and it's just

807
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 7: hard to, you know, keep going in life without them.

808
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 7: You know, I feel like we were just in a

809
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 7: really big denial stage for a really really long time.

810
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: But Doctor Kendall Crowns, it wasn't that way. It wasn't

811
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: just all so fast they laid there and died. You

812
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: talked about severed limbs, You talked about horrific impact at

813
00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: one hundred and four mph. They didn't just just like that.

814
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 12: Well, that is very true, Nancy. It really all depends

815
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 12: on where they got hit and what was initially damaged. Now,

816
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 12: of course the initial impact that could severe limbs to

817
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 12: cause a person to go flying over the car but

818
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 12: not hit anything else, so their head would be intact,

819
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 12: and they would be laying there with the traumatically amputated

820
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 12: limb bleeding out on the roadway. It really all just

821
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 12: depends on what organ system got hit and at what

822
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 12: point was their head engaged or their neck engaged, or

823
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 12: how quickly they may have died, And it can be

824
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 12: one of those situations in which just the lower extremities

825
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 12: were severed or crushed or whatever, or their pelvist was

826
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 12: crushed and they just laid there slowly bleeding out and

827
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 12: nobody could help them because of the amount of damage

828
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 12: that was done.

829
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 2: Crime Stores with Nancy Gray Well, Thank goodness, the child

830
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 2: judge knew not to reduce bond on a case where

831
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: there are multiple fatalities. Now, according to the defendant and

832
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 2: his lawyer, they say the bond company has frozen the

833
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 2: collateral on the family home and the family will not

834
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 2: be able to fund the evidence gathering and expert testimony

835
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 2: needed to prove the crash was just a quote terrible

836
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 2: accident and not a crime. But the judge pointed out

837
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 2: Bob's bill had already been lowered from the initial amount

838
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 2: of eight million. That's two million dollars for each charge.

839
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: The judge further told the family they are welcome to

840
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 2: use a free public defender if they are truly indigent

841
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: as they claim to be.

842
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: Okay, if they're broke, how did they afford to.

843
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: Give him a shiny new BMW the judge, and I

844
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: quote is believe me when I say there are many

845
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: many defendants sitting in the county jail right now who

846
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: would love me to reduce their bail so they can

847
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 2: hire Alan Jackson or some other private council. But that's

848
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: not the way it works. What happened the evening these

849
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: four girls lost their lives. Senior forensic engineer ex reconstructionists

850
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: at Veritech Consulting, how do you go into this scene,

851
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: knowing what you know, having heard Bridget and Coco and

852
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: Karen and doctor Crown's how do you go in and

853
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: perform a hard, cold evaluation that will hold up in

854
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: court to explain to a jury what happened?

855
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: What do you do?

856
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 14: I have to look at the facts, I have to

857
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 14: look at the evidence, and I think it's fair to

858
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 14: say in this situation, at that excessive speed, this was

859
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 14: no longer a car accident at that rate of speed,

860
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 14: and the collision that occurred would cause severe damage. I mean,

861
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 14: he's probably lucky himself that he didn't have any injuries

862
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 14: from this. This is so severe, and you know, one

863
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 14: of the nice things we have in this situation is

864
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 14: so much evidence and so much data, in particular the

865
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 14: data from the vehicle itself, which will corroborate his speed,

866
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 14: it'll corroborate his pre impact navigation, and whether or not

867
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 14: he attempted any sort of maneuver to avoid this collision.

868
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 14: So there's a lot of evidence that's going to be

869
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 14: presented at trial, and I think it's going to be

870
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 14: very elucidating for this particular crash.

871
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 2: Timbly, What do you mean you're going to get a

872
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: lot of evidence from the car itself. I got a

873
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: lot of evidence in the Alex Mordag case from his

874
00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: nav his navigation system, which was awesome. Can't really argue

875
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 2: with the NAS system in your own car. What evidence

876
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 2: are you talking about.

877
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 14: Well, that's a great question, and there is a lot

878
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 14: of evidence from a navigation unit individually. But in addition

879
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 14: to that, modern cars are constantly recording data. Every car

880
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 14: out there, it's a federal mandate that they record data,

881
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 14: and that particular data is tied to the airbag system.

882
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 14: In the event of an airbag deployment, the car decides

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Speaker 14: whether or not to deploy the airbags based on things

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Speaker 14: like vehicle speed, steering inputs, breaking inputs, things like that,

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Speaker 14: and that data is stored.

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Speaker 11: On the car that can be retrieved.

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Speaker 14: In this particular crash, that data was retrieved by the

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Speaker 14: responding officers, and that is most likely the way that

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Speaker 14: they determined the impact speed and then also the way

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Speaker 14: that they determine the pre impact excess eleration that was

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Speaker 14: done by mister Baum.

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Speaker 12: And his.

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Speaker 14: Apparently completely absent attempt to avoid this crash.

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Speaker 2: Simly, I know that the arriving officer saw skid marks

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Speaker 2: and smoke.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 14: Okay, that may actually suggest a small maneuver or breaking

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Speaker 14: an attempt to potentially mitigate the crash. I'd have to

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Speaker 14: look into that even more. If it was a skid mark,

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Speaker 14: that would suggest potentially maybe a steering input or a

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Speaker 14: breaking input to decelerate slightly before impact.

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Speaker 11: However, that also kind of.

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Speaker 14: Depends on how the crash unfolded itself. The data will

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Speaker 14: provide a very solid basis for all of that.

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Speaker 11: And the nice thing about that data.

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Speaker 14: Is that you know, it's been admitted in many different

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Speaker 14: court cases. It's very solid. It's hard to argue that data.

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Speaker 14: I'm sure mister Jackson will probably make a very honest

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Speaker 14: attempt to kind of reduce the credibility of that data.

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Speaker 14: But it's just very solid. It's been used a lot,

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Speaker 14: and it's a very valuable piece of evidence.

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Speaker 2: Here to Ridget Thompson joining US roommate investie with the

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Speaker 2: crash victims, do you ever dream about them?

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Speaker 8: Yes? I have had many dreams with them, and it

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Speaker 8: is an amazing feeling to feel like you get to

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Speaker 8: be with them one more time. But it's hard to

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Speaker 8: wake up and know it's just not the truth.

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Speaker 1: In the dreams. What's happening? What are they saying?

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Speaker 8: Sometimes they'll reassure us that they're okay. Sometimes they'll be like,

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Speaker 8: it's okay, I'm okay now. And I'll try do I

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Speaker 8: convince them to stay, and they'll be like, I have

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Speaker 8: to go back, I have to go back. It's a

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Speaker 8: really crazy feeling.

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Speaker 2: Karen Stark, what do these mean? What do these mean?

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Speaker 2: What's happening in the girls' psydechis.

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Speaker 18: It's a case of them trying to preserve the friendship

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Speaker 18: with the girls. And this is actually wonderful because a

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Speaker 18: lot of people when they lose someone, they want to

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Speaker 18: dream about them. You have a chance to revisit, even

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Speaker 18: to say goodbye, which I'm going to suggest to both

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Speaker 18: of you that you tell yourself you want to do

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Speaker 18: that when you have the dream again to say goodbye

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Speaker 18: to them, and the whole idea of being with them again.

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Speaker 18: It's all beautiful and very very fortunate. I'm glad they're

935
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Speaker 18: having those dreams. I know that when you wake up

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Speaker 18: and may be upsetting, but take it like a message.

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Speaker 18: You know that your friends have come and they're visiting

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Speaker 18: with you.

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Speaker 19: Pepperdine University seniors and Nevel Peyton Stewart, Osha Weir and

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Speaker 19: Deslin Williams, four Alpha PI sisters, get ready for a

941
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Speaker 19: Sigma Chai party at their apartment. The girls are incredibly close.

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Speaker 19: After moving in together sophomore year, the women connected freshman

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Speaker 19: year and became inseparable. The Pepperdine victims are a star athlete,

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Speaker 19: future vet TikTok intern, and an aspiring writer. Neive, a

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Speaker 19: twenty year old business student, was an excellent gymnast, cheerleader,

946
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Speaker 19: and pole vaulter. Who competed in the CICH Championship. Deslin

947
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Speaker 19: was on a pre veterinary track with deep empathy for animals.

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Speaker 19: Peyton spent her sophomore year at Pepperdine's London campus, landing

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Speaker 19: her dream internship with TikTok before returning to campus for

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Speaker 19: senior year. Asha was studying writing and passionate about the

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Speaker 19: dynamic landscapes of the fashion and music industries.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at a photo of the four victims, just

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Speaker 2: in the prime of their lives, just absolutely beautiful, their

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Speaker 2: whole lives in front of them, standing on the side

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Speaker 2: of the road, waiting to go to a fraternity mixer,

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Speaker 2: when they are mowed down by the defendant careening into

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Speaker 2: them in his lux BMW. According to police. In the

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Speaker 2: last days, a judge turns down the defendance request for

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Speaker 2: another bond reduction.

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Speaker 1: Leaving in the courthouse.

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Speaker 2: High profile lawyer Jackson says the judge's decision will not

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Speaker 2: deter the defense and that the defense team is quote

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Speaker 2: looking forward to our moment to get the truth out.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that too. We wait as justice unfals.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye Fred