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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Justice delayed, but is it

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Speaker 1: behind the charges, the formal indictment against legal Air Alex Murdoch.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you see, Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: Sirius XM one eleven. First of all, take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our friends at WMBF. It took thirteen months to

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Speaker 1: get to this point for these grand jury proceedings. It

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Speaker 1: took all about an hour for them to indict Alec

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Speaker 1: Murdoch on two counts of murder and two counts of

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Speaker 1: possession of a firearm during a violent crime, that is

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Speaker 1: in the case of his wife and son. His defense

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Speaker 1: lawyers deny all accusations of violence crimes against their client

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Speaker 1: and have requested a speedy trial moving forward. Now. I

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Speaker 1: spoke with Charlie Condon, former Attorney General in South Carolina,

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Speaker 1: and he says that we could see that big trial

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Speaker 1: there is something that could delay these proceedings. This is

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Speaker 1: a death eligible case, as I would call it. It's

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Speaker 1: not to make this a capital case. Now, no word

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Speaker 1: from that office if they do intend to seek the

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Speaker 1: highest punishment, the highest punishment the death penalty. At South

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Speaker 1: Carolina still has the death penalty. Now what are they

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Speaker 1: penalty to be sought, there must be special circumstances. What

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Speaker 1: is in the criminal code. What are special circumstances? For instance,

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Speaker 1: police officer or a public official. There are many special

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Speaker 1: Serious X one eleven straight out to high profile lawyer

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Speaker 1: profile defense attorney. Explain the charges now leveled against Alex murnagh. Well, basically,

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Speaker 1: there are four in the indictment which were returned by

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Speaker 1: commission of a felony. And of course these are extraordinarily

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Speaker 1: serious charges. The most critical charge probably is the charge

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Speaker 1: her son die. Absolutely, of course, to do that, you've

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Speaker 1: me another special guest from that jurisdiction, doctor Michelton Dupree,

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Speaker 1: forensic pathologist, former medical examiner, former detective and author of

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Speaker 1: homicide investigation Field Guy. We have her with us today

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Speaker 1: for a reason. She is there in South Carolina and

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Speaker 1: is an eminent authority on this issue. To doctor Michelle Dupree,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Dupree, it's going to be really hard, if not impossible,

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Speaker 1: It may may be very difficult. We have to look

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Speaker 1: We also know rained that it rained that night on occasion.

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Speaker 1: Is this Matt Harris, Yes, it is Matt. That's a

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Speaker 1: for Maggie to drive straight from Edistoe to Savannah Hospital,

428
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: as opposed to go all the way to Mozzelle and

429
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: then to the hospital. That wouldn't make any sense. And

430
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: what John Marvin I told us was that there might

431
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: have been a plan for a family dinner, but he

432
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: didn't know if they ever had it or not. So

433
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: Alec might have said, hey, come on and we and

434
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: then we'll go to Savannah as to the hospital, but

435
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: that's still in nine o'clock. At nine he's leaving to

436
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: good see his mother, so he never went to see

437
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: the father that night, so that's out of the question

438
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: because he never even did it. In the evening time

439
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace John Carson joining me Venans trial

440
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: lawyer out of Jacksonville former fair with the FBI. This

441
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: is cold. I mean, she's texting her friends something's up.

442
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: This isn't right. He's acting fishy. I mean that is

443
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: not going to be lost on those female jurars. No,

444
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: it's not. And of course you don't want that to

445
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: come in from of the jury panel. But of course

446
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: your fife likely too, because it's relevant to the facts

447
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: of the case. Now, our effort from the defense side

448
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: is to try to keep that away from the jury panel,

449
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: along with the aspects of familial ties, which indicates the

450
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: declients evil. I mean, you don't want that to come

451
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: in front of the jury panel because then the jury

452
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: begins to convict an individual based on the emotions and

453
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: not the facts. Dale. Whose fault is this. It's Alex

454
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: Morlock's fault. It's not the state's fault. It's his fault

455
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: from making his wife. When my husband calls me, or

456
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: my children calling go hey mom or Nancy, come x,

457
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 1: I hop in the car and go. I don't think

458
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: it's some kind of an ambush, but she knew something

459
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: was wrong. The trial is going to be in Colleton County,

460
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: which is murdoch Land, and I'm sure Dick cart Putley

461
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: in the attorneys Linknis Jopson Sander has got to have

462
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: one that has some sort of type connection with a

463
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: Burdox or they've done something nice for them or something

464
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: like that, because that's been their county for a hundred years.

465
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: There's totally going to be a venue change, There's no

466
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: question about that. There's totally going to be a change

467
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: of venue. But what about it, Chakode. I can't tell

468
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: you how many cases that I've prosecuted where the murder

469
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: victim sinses evil, sinces something is wrong, can't put their

470
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: finger on it. It's happened so many times. This was

471
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: one of those who I think you're right. The evolutionary

472
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: aspect of intuition or whatever you want to call it,

473
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: told her that something was amiss here, and maybe she

474
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: was involved with her husband for so long that she

475
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: just didn't think it would rise to the left being murdered.

476
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure she didn't think she was being murdered but

477
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 1: at the same time, there's evidence that she left her

478
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: car running when she got out to see alex as

479
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: the family property. That so she was not planning to

480
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: spend a whole lot of time, certainly not planning to

481
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: eat a meal there, and she left her car running

482
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: when she got out and was murdered. So I think

483
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: that this is a case where she thought her husband,

484
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: they were going through a divorce, she was seeing a

485
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: divorce attorney. She thought he was probably going to either

486
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: try to, you know, brainwash her into dropping the divorce

487
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: or so, or some maneuvering with the divorce. I don't

488
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: think she actually thought that, you know, obviously she thought

489
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: that she probably would have got out, but there was

490
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: some level of suspicion that her husband was up to

491
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: something because this is the kind of guy he was.

492
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: No one knew him better than his wife, his long

493
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: standing wife, and so her her opinion that he was

494
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: up to something has a lot of credibility. Let's not

495
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: forgetting it that two days after the murder, they were

496
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: supposed to go to hearing where they're gonna have to

497
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: reveal a lot of their financials because of the beach

498
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: voting accident. That was two days half of the murders,

499
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: I called out an accident when Mallory Beach, nineteen year

500
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: old girl was thrown from the Murdoch boat going speeding

501
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: through the water and crashing into those cement pilings, I

502
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: called out a crash. You know, you get drunk and

503
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: get behind the wheel where everybody's trying to physically drag

504
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: you away from driving, and you keep driving and somebody dies.

505
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: That's a crash. That is not an accident. Hey, I

506
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: want to follow up on something I believe Chicone just

507
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: said about leaving the car running. Take a listen to

508
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: our cut eighty one crime online dot com. When Maggie

509
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: Murdon arrived at the scene, she reportedly left her car

510
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: running and walked to the down kennels on the estate,

511
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: where her son Paul was taking photos of a dog

512
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: he was watching for a friend. What exactly happened next

513
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: is unknown, but that's where the two were going down.

514
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: Paul's body, shot in the chest and head at close range,

515
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: was found half in and half out of the down kennels.

516
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: Maggie was shot multiple times, including one shot in the

517
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: back and additional shots while she was laying on the

518
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: ground with three hundred black out EMMO from an AAR

519
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: style rifle. What does it tell you anybody on the

520
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: panel jump in that she left her car running? I mean,

521
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: I never do that. I'm afraid the thing will go

522
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: into drive somehow. It tells me a lot. One of

523
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: the lights were on in her car so she could see,

524
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: and you often do that when you're at an area

525
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: that is dark. And of course it's important understand that

526
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: she arrives her son's already there, and that if that

527
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: evidence comes in from his cell phone, it obliterates the

528
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: ironclad alibi that Murdoch might have otherwatch well, I'm not

529
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: sure it would have been dark out is well, it

530
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: just depends on the timing of it. So if she

531
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: pulls up at nine o'clock, it's gonna be dark at nine.

532
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: But did they get killed before then, because if she's

533
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: leaving the car running, it could. Because she said, I

534
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: don't want to be with this guy. I'm going to

535
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: follow him to the hospital. So I'm just up out

536
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: hey Paul getting the car and followed Alex sitting there

537
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: in his truck. She thinks you're gonna follow him, but

538
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: it says he does follow him. But then shoots them guys.

539
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: In addition to all of this making sense of the

540
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: indictments that we now have, take a listen to our

541
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: cut ninety four our friends at w lt X. Murdoch

542
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: is said to appear at a bond hearing on Wednesday,

543
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: July twentieth, and criminal defense attorney Jack Swirling says it's

544
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: going to be a long road ahead before a trial

545
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: can even begin. The next few months they're going to

546
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: be involving hearings, getting things organized, and getting things ready

547
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: for a trial. Really, the interesting thing will be whether

548
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: or not the judge grants a speedy trial motion and

549
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: orders that the case be tried by the end of

550
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: the year. As the state puts together it's evidence to

551
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: build their case, Swirling says, this can be a lengthy

552
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: process and the public might not get to see a

553
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: Murdoch trial for a long time. I may not get

554
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: tried as fast as everybody would like, and I know

555
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: that everybody wants swift justice, but these cases are very complicated.

556
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: Tell me about the potential bond hearing. I believe it's

557
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: set for Wednesday morning. Is that correct, Matt Harris Wednesday

558
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 1: at ten am. That's going to happen now, it's expected

559
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: to be there and then not guilty will be read aloud.

560
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: The issue of speedy trial is interesting because we no

561
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: longer wave speedy trial. We wanted to go forward as

562
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: quickly as possible because that gives the government less time

563
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: to get property prepared. And that may be why the

564
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: indictments took so long, because the government all along the

565
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: state is getting prepared for trial and they're ready to

566
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: go to trial when the defense pulls a trigger on

567
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: filing a motion for speedy trial. At bottom line, speedy trial.

568
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: Under the Constitution, you have a right to a quote

569
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: speedy trial. What does that mean as opposed to jurisproduce

570
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: in other countries where you're arrested and you can sit

571
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: and jail for years before you have your day in court.

572
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: Not true. In the US. You have a right to

573
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: a speedy trial. What does that mean? It typically means

574
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: that you have the time you can demand a speedy

575
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: trial the moment you're formally charged. That's when the right

576
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: to a speedy trial attaches. That means your case has

577
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: to be tried within that grand jury session, which is

578
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: usually two anywhere from two to four months, or the

579
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: next one, or if it is a capital case, which

580
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: this may be, you have two additional grand jury terms,

581
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: which means you've got to be tried within the year

582
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: at the very least. Well, in Florida, it's right, and

583
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: you know in other jurisdictions, if it's a death penalty case,

584
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: there is more time added to the speedy as opposed

585
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: to a shoplifting. Sure, i'll try it next week, but

586
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: if it's a death penalty case, there's going to be

587
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: more time on both sides to get ready. So what

588
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: that does is put the state behind the eight ball.

589
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: You've got to be ready when you hand down the

590
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: indictment because if a speedy is filed, you have to

591
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: go straight to trial immediately. To Bobby Chicone, a former

592
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: family the FBI, Bobby, I think I know one of

593
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: the reasons there's going to be a likely delay. Take

594
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut eighty six. Our friends at

595
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: WTOC SLED reopened the death investigation of Gloria Sadderfield last

596
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: fall and made the decision to exhume her body for

597
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: an autopsy last month. Within the next couple of months,

598
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: her body is going to be exhumed. Their sled's going

599
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: to work with us to make sure it's a respectful process,

600
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: and you know, it's highly emotional for the families. You

601
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: can imagine. However, Bland maintains they don't believe Alex had

602
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: anything to do with Gloria's death. They have to do

603
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: this because they have to, you know, make sure that Alex,

604
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, didn't have a hand in Gloria's death. We

605
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: don't think he did. We don't think that her death

606
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: was intentional. You know, she was a beloved family member

607
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: of them. But I definitely think that Alex used it

608
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: is an oportunity to enrich himself. Bland referring to the

609
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: money owed to the Sadderfield family that they never saw.

610
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: Last month, Murdoch agreed to a four point three million

611
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: dollars settlement with the family, admitting to liability in a

612
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 1: lawsuit filed by her sons. From our client standpoint, they've

613
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: gotten justice as best as justice can be defined. Are

614
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: they waiting to know more about housekeeper Gloria Sadderfield's death

615
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: before they go to trial? Will that somehow be introduced

616
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: as a similar transaction Another female approximate same age as

617
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: Mackie Murdoch at the same location unexplained circumstances, Alex Murdock

618
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: swooping in to control the narrative immediately after the death.

619
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Speaker 1: I don't see it as a similar transaction, believe it

620
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: or not. But are they waiting on those results right now?

621
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Speaker 1: We're trying to figure out will the death penalty be

622
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: sought and will he actually get bond? On Wednesday, take

623
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut ninety three our friends at

624
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: w lt X. The indictment claims that Murdoch used a

625
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: rifle to kill his wife and a shotgun to kill

626
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: his son, which also led to two counts of possession

627
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime.

628
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: These charges come amid a slew of other allegations against Murdoch,

629
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: including a scheme to collect a life insurance policy after

630
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 1: planning his own shooting death. The deaths of Alex's wife

631
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: and son have also led investigators to do more research

632
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: on the deaths of nineteen year old Stephen Smith, whose

633
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: body was found on a rural Hampton County road in

634
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, at the time classified as a hitten run,

635
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: and the death of the Murdoch family's housekeeper, Gloria Saderfield,

636
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: who Allegeth died after a fall in the family's home.

637
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: The Sadderfield family's lawyer says, the new murder charges just

638
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: tell people what he already knows. You know, he said,

639
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: now has a one word Moniker Murdoch made off like Manson,

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Speaker 1: like Bundy. I don't think it'd open a wound for

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Speaker 1: our clients. The wound is going to be a when

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Speaker 1: the stage zooms her body. And now we're looking at

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Speaker 1: a bond hearing, a bond hearing in a potential death

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Speaker 1: penalty case. Take a listen how we're cutting ninety two

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Speaker 1: our friends at fit news. What are we think is

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Speaker 1: going to happen? There's schedule for ten eight and am

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday. UM, I mean bond hearing basically is he

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Speaker 1: gets the charges read to him. The judge will ask

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Speaker 1: if he understands the charges um and make a decision

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Speaker 1: on bond which Um I think I believe I heard

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Speaker 1: enter his initial please yes, initial plea will be entered. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think I Judge Newman's hearing it. I believe yeah, which, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he does not mess around. It would be shocked if

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Speaker 1: anything changed for those of you. Judge Newman. Back back

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Speaker 1: in October he was the judge who denied Alec Murdock

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Speaker 1: bond on some of the initial charges, and I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you why. One of the considerations on giving bond is

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Speaker 1: threat to the community and potential witness tampering. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what if I was a witness in this case

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Speaker 1: for the state, I would clear out. If Alex Murdog

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Speaker 1: gets out of jailong bond, we wait as justice unfolds.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crown's story, signing off goodbye friend,