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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting next to my colleague West Hodkowitz,

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Speaker 1: and we're coming to you here from our studios at

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Speaker 1: lambeau Field and West to follow up a little bit

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Speaker 1: on our previous show. We talked a lot about Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy season ending press conference and in the previous shows

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Speaker 1: about Ted Thompson and the decision there to step aside

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Speaker 1: and transition into a new role in the organization. One

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Speaker 1: thing we haven't really touched on to any extent yet

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Speaker 1: is collectively, what is now really the end of an

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Speaker 1: era in terms of this twelve year partnership between head

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Speaker 1: coach Mike McCarthy and GM Ted Thompson and um, you know,

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Speaker 1: really the length of it alone is somewhat unprecedented in

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Speaker 1: the league. The level of success nine total playoff appearances,

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Speaker 1: I believe, four trips to the NFC Championship Game, one

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Speaker 1: trip to the Super Bowl. That level of success certainly

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Speaker 1: ranks up there. If you were to pick a characteristic

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Speaker 1: or two of them as a due of their partnership,

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Speaker 1: that that sort of defines it or what you'll remember

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Speaker 1: it for what would you say unity. I think it's

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Speaker 1: the thing that stands out to me. And then that

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Speaker 1: that's not to say, you know, every marriage has its fights, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not to say that it was just

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Speaker 1: all sunshines and rainbows for eleven years. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be times where guys are gonna butt heads. That's

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Speaker 1: only natural. But they always had the same path. It

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Speaker 1: was never a question about I'm gonna go this way,

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Speaker 1: you're going to go that way. They had discussions and

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Speaker 1: then they pressed forward, they pressed on, and I think

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Speaker 1: that was the number one characteristic I thought made this

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Speaker 1: really this one to punch work for the Packers. If

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Speaker 1: you go back, Mike and I did a story in

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Speaker 1: December of two thousand six team looking at McCarthy's offenses

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Speaker 1: and and looking at you know, the history there of

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Speaker 1: of Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy. There aren't a lot

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Speaker 1: of personnel executives in a head coach that got on

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Speaker 1: a run as long as they did, and they were

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Speaker 1: one of the most successful pairings in NFL history in

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Speaker 1: doing that together. Yeah, guys have different motivations, the life

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Speaker 1: takes some different directions, but for them to stay on

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Speaker 1: that same path for twelve years. I think it just

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Speaker 1: says a lot about the relationship that they built and

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Speaker 1: exactly you know, the the the kind of foundation they

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Speaker 1: were able to forge with this football team. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: if there's a characteristic that comes to mind for me,

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Speaker 1: and it's similar to the unity term that you brought

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Speaker 1: up for me, what I always think of his mutual

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Speaker 1: respect because, as you know, I've been the editor of

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Speaker 1: the Packers Yearbook for a number of years, and a

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Speaker 1: while back, I don't remember exactly what year it was,

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Speaker 1: but I did a story for the Packers Yearbook, a

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Speaker 1: rather lengthy feature story about the relationship between the two

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Speaker 1: of them, how they work together. And if there was

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Speaker 1: one element that very overwhelmingly came out of the discussions

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Speaker 1: that I had with both of them about how they

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Speaker 1: worked together, it was about the level of mutual respect

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Speaker 1: in that Mike McCarthy is the coach of the team,

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Speaker 1: Ted Thompson runs the roster, and they let each other

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Speaker 1: do their jobs and as you say, not to say

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Speaker 1: there wouldn't be disagreements sometimes, but Mike McCarthy is not

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Speaker 1: going to tell Ted Thompson, I need that guy in

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Speaker 1: the draft, or I need that player in free agency.

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Speaker 1: Ted Thompson is not going to tell Mike McCarthy, that's

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Speaker 1: that's not how that how it worked at all. As

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Speaker 1: you said, they would discuss things, they would reach some

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Speaker 1: they and I'm not saying that they operated completely in silos,

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Speaker 1: but it's that the one guy respected the other guy

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Speaker 1: led to the longevity and how it worked for so long.

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Speaker 1: I look at this as a restaurant. I usually a

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy has been the chef of this restaurant now

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Speaker 1: for twelve years. Ted Thompson was like the proprietor, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's the one going out getting the ingredients,

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Speaker 1: I asked him this a number of years ago. Uh,

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Speaker 1: if he knew that the draft and development thing it

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Speaker 1: And he said, you know, it's about the process. It's

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Speaker 1: was so upfront with what his vision was for building

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Speaker 1: I mean he when he needed Charles Woodson, he went

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Speaker 1: I mean there definitely was room for that. But at

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Speaker 1: McCarthy always appreciated, you know, right from day one, is

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Speaker 1: that he knew what the vision was and from there,

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Speaker 1: when you have that kind of vision your front office,

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Speaker 1: it makes it as a head coach that much easier

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Speaker 1: to really lay down your vision for what your team

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Speaker 1: is going to look like. I agree with you, McCarthy

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Speaker 1: the most about Ted Thompson was his consistency. He always

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Speaker 1: was a two way street, and that Ted Thompson really

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Speaker 1: respected Mike McCarthy's consistency as a head coach, the way

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Speaker 1: he ran the football team, um, the way he delivered

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Speaker 1: again that goes back to the mutual respect. I really

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Speaker 1: led to a lot of success. In the next segment, Mike,

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Speaker 1: lot of people like to hoot and holler and like

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Speaker 1: Right after this Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford

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Speaker 1: in this chair, Wes Hodkowitz in that one, and West

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Speaker 1: continuing our discussion from the last segment about the McCarthy

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Speaker 1: Thompson a dozen year partnership. We saw these guys. They

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Speaker 1: certainly you give Thompson credit for what the what they

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Speaker 1: But that two thousand and eight summer um. There's so

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Speaker 1: you know you're gonna be facing better defenses. They are

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Speaker 1: very healthy, Michael, so that is gonna be something to track.

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Speaker 1: They were able to taper themselves at the end of

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Speaker 1: the season. Jared Goff has been incredibly consistent throughout the

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Speaker 1: when they needed to. I agree with you with your

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Speaker 1: wins in these really could build some momentum for themselves. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: somebody could get on a run here and go from

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Speaker 1: the wild Card round possibly all the way and a

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Speaker 1: lot of times these past few years, there's been a

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Speaker 1: lot of examples, the Giants, the Packers in two thousand ten,

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Speaker 1: of teams that win that first game and run the

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Speaker 1: table from there. Yep. Absolutely, it's about playing your best

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Speaker 1: at this time of year. But with that, we'll call

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Speaker 1: it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be

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Speaker 1: Enjoy wild Card weekend everybody. We'll see you next time.

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