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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, and welcome to the latest edition of

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Speaker 1: the Falcons Final Whistle podcast, recorded right here in Ticketmaster Studios.

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Speaker 1: I'm Scott Behar, That's Tory mcalaney, and we have a

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Speaker 1: third member. Our duo has turned into a trio wow,

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Speaker 1: because we have John Abraham. You've seen him destroying quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: in the city of Atlanta for a long time several

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Speaker 1: other teams. We are so happy to have him because

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Speaker 1: we have a guy who knows so much about the game.

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Speaker 1: And we just spent the last hour and a half

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Speaker 1: watching the final Falcons Mini camp practice, the final practice

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Speaker 1: of the entire offseason program.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, about to get in the books break for summer.

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Speaker 1: It's the last day of school. They're signing your books,

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Speaker 1: kit and stuff. But what we're gonna do here over

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Speaker 1: the next twenty minutes or so is we're going to

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Speaker 1: kind of take a look at what John saw on

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Speaker 1: the practice field. We're gonna analyze what you and I

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Speaker 1: have seen over the last couple of practices and just

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Speaker 1: kind of say, hey, this is the state of the

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Speaker 1: Falcons right now. Here's where they are, especially on defense.

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Speaker 1: Since since we have a defensive guy here that we're

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Speaker 1: really going to dive into that see where they are

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Speaker 1: and maybe where they got to go. Right, so, fresh

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Speaker 1: off the practice field right one thing that you absolutely

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Speaker 1: notice above all else is Kalais Campbell is a massive

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Speaker 1: human being. At six foot eight, he towers above just

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Speaker 1: about everybody else. And he hasn't been here for the

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Speaker 1: whole offseason program, but he's been around a lot, especially recently,

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Speaker 1: and you can see the guys. He's in year fifteen,

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Speaker 1: but John he still got.

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Speaker 3: It definitely, just just playing with Kalais, knowing what the

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Speaker 3: attitude and the passing he brings to the game. When

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Speaker 3: I first met Khalais, I thought he was a big

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Speaker 3: doofy guy, you know, coming from Denver playing in Miami.

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Speaker 3: I thought he might have went to Miami and just

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Speaker 3: turned to a crazy man.

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Speaker 4: But he ended up.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I met him and I talked to him,

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Speaker 3: you can really get to know him. You want to

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Speaker 3: be around him. Like you said, his presence is automatically.

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Speaker 3: Once you're that size, is kind of like a shock

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Speaker 3: type guy. You automatically going to be. When you walk

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Speaker 3: in the room, people see you, people know who you are, People.

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Speaker 4: Want to get to know you.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes people don't have the attitude that he has. He

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Speaker 3: loves his teammates, like me being his teammate for that

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Speaker 3: year or a year and a half, Like we talked

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Speaker 3: and you got to know him. And when you when

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Speaker 3: you get to know Kalais, you know, like being the

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Speaker 3: Man of the Year, the Water Payton Man the Year.

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Speaker 3: You can see why because he gives back and I

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Speaker 3: think he's gonna that's gonna be his biggest attribute on

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Speaker 3: this team, having someone that's level headed, you know, like

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Speaker 3: he's firing when he plays, but when you get in

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Speaker 3: the locker room, you can see the level head and

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Speaker 3: suffing and you can actually talk to him, like he

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Speaker 3: told me. The story he told me was like, I

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Speaker 3: guess when I was in the Arizona and I'm a

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Speaker 4: Got fired from y'all, I'm coming around a little hotter

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Speaker 4: to come to the collar. I'm really not. I'm really not.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: They give me like three plays a game at the time.

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Speaker 3: And he was like, uh, he just told me this,

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Speaker 3: so I'm just finding this out. He was like, well,

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Speaker 4: I was like wow. I was like yeah. He was

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Speaker 3: He was like, John, you know, I know you did

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Speaker 3: I was looking like this before he had in the

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Speaker 3: But that's that's the kind of pool he had, the

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Speaker 3: We know now this is the no Pro Bowl guy.

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Speaker 3: This is the guy that was just you know, coming

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Speaker 2: It's really first off, your Kalais impression was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the best that I've heard. I can't get that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good. But no, I think you make

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Speaker 2: how it's really interesting guys coming up to him even

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Speaker 2: And I think that's really something that's really interesting about

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Speaker 2: I think it's really interesting though, because I was talking

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Speaker 2: the comment that he's like, yeah, you know, Kalais has

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Speaker 2: come in, Bud's come in, I've come in. You have

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Speaker 2: all these veterans in that have you know, a lot

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Speaker 2: this is still Grady's group. And I thought that was

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Speaker 2: Grady Jarrett in kind of what he's built here in Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: I mean just kind of watching someone like a Kalais

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Speaker 2: what does that just mean about what Grady? What you

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Speaker 2: think Grady Jarrett means to this team?

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Speaker 3: I guess I can speak one as in you think

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Speaker 3: about when Roddy White was here. Yeah, when we got Julio,

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Speaker 3: we knew Julio is going to be the guy, but

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Speaker 4: It was still Rody's house. Everybody knew. It was like

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Speaker 3: Julio' town was like everybody knew, Like it wasn't even

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Speaker 3: like nobody was like Julio is gonna be number two.

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Speaker 3: And if you see the status, you'd be like, oh,

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Speaker 3: well he ain't. You know, he don't have like fifty

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Speaker 4: Like this really yeah yeah, So you know, like that's.

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Speaker 3: The kind of uf that Kalaias brings. And you know,

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Speaker 3: like being with one team and having that Camarai fifth

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Speaker 3: I mean patient because he played, he played, to come

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Speaker 3: from that Clemson team. They were all kind of shock

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Speaker 3: lost in this guy. This guy, this guy, he's the

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Speaker 3: been the underdog in life one time. So how he

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Speaker 3: plays and how he shows up every every year and

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Speaker 3: he always has big plays in big games.

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Speaker 4: You see the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: You know then to play with Tom Brady even though

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Speaker 3: be known for that play forever. So that's the kind

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Speaker 3: of plays I wanted to make in my career I

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Speaker 3: never had that. I don't got that. I don't got

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Speaker 1: But with Grady, right, there was a great segment last

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Speaker 1: year where he was miked up and I can't remember

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Speaker 1: which team it was, but he was literally triple team

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Speaker 2: It was two it was two years. It was years

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Speaker 2: two years ago, Detroit at home.

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Speaker 1: And it was both guards and the center.

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Speaker 1: Just pushed him back, and Grady goes, don't you all

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Speaker 1: have anybody else to block? But in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: be a bad move if you have Onyamata and Campbell

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Speaker 1: about during practice. Falcon's had twenty eight sacks last year, right,

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Speaker 1: So they're not They're they need to generate more pressure

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Speaker 1: and impact the quarterback more often. When I throw these

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Speaker 1: so you can't read a ton into it. But if

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Speaker 1: you look at this talent on paper, do you think

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Speaker 1: that Look, I'm not saying go straight to Philadelphia seventy sacks,

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Speaker 1: but can they make improvements with Ryan Nielsen a defensive

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Speaker 3: They have me personally just looking at Kalayis Ayamada, Grady,

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Speaker 3: Bud Dupree, Kaden, Ellis, Lorenzo Carter, Troy Anderson. Possibly I'm

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Speaker 3: looking at Ryan Neilson having forty eight sacks in New Orleans,

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Speaker 3: and I'm looking at these guys. Kalayas had five and

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Speaker 3: a half Onamada head, I think six Grady six, Bud.

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Speaker 3: He didn't have a great year, but I.

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Speaker 4: Think with the injured.

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Speaker 3: want to see him. I want to see him pass rush.

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Speaker 3: He had seven sacks last year. So for me personally

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Speaker 3: be in the past, rush anywhere in fifty five, come on,

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Speaker 3: we got I'm like, we're wearing my number. Like I

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Speaker 3: want to see fifty five in the backfield again. So

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Speaker 3: I know he's gonna be probably playing off the ball more.

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Speaker 3: But I think with the scheme and he knowing that

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Speaker 3: a tool belt that's pretty lengthy. You know, we can

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Speaker 3: can have you can have Kalais play inside outside, you

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Speaker 3: can have Bud plate on or off the line.

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Speaker 4: You can have Caden coming.

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