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Speaker 1: up on this episode of Turning Point Tonight. My name

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Speaker 1: is Joe Bob. Thanks so much for tuning in. Together,

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Speaker 1: This is Turning Point Tonight. Now, before we get to

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Speaker 1: particular instance, or is it just is it a lost cause?

437
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Speaker 4: Can they Yes, they could do whatever they want and

438
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,439
Speaker 4: they've proven that. But will they that's the question. I

439
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 4: don't think they will. I think that they've become very opportunistic,

440
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 4: and they have an agenda of some sort driving the

441
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Speaker 4: choices they make editorially, by what stories they choose, by

442
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Speaker 4: how they present them, by how they couch it in

443
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Speaker 4: a narrative. And that has been going on for ages.

444
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Speaker 4: It's why people like me and probably a lot of

445
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Speaker 4: viewers here have become disillusioned with stations that they would

446
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Speaker 4: have earlier in their lives. Said that they trusted or

447
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Speaker 4: at least spent some time watching, they lean heavily left.

448
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Speaker 4: And when it gets to the point where having a

449
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Speaker 4: genuine medical opinion becomes an indicator to someone else of

450
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Speaker 4: your political beliefs, that's just absurd when you think about it, Like,

451
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Speaker 4: I don't get that. We've seen it with COVID, we've

452
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Speaker 4: seen it here, and it's fine if people disagree, But

453
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Speaker 4: why can't people talk about that disagreement. Why does it

454
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Speaker 4: have to mean you believe something else about politics? Clearly

455
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Speaker 4: the man is in bad shape. It's the effects of

456
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Speaker 4: old age. These things happen as people age. So I

457
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Speaker 4: don't know what they'll do, but I can't imagine I

458
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Speaker 4: will like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what they'll do, but I can't

460
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Speaker 1: imagine it'll be the right thing. Moving on to this

461
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Speaker 1: because I want to get this on really quick. In

462
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Speaker 1: a couple of minutes we have left. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: read you, guys a paragraph from the New York Times

464
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Speaker 1: talking about AI and education. Now, there's a lot of

465
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Speaker 1: fear that kids aren't ever gonna learn anything because they're

466
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Speaker 1: just gonna type it into chat GBT and it's gonna

467
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Speaker 1: spit out an answer, But I thought this was an

468
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Speaker 1: accidental truth from the New York Times that he's even

469
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Speaker 1: more telling than the AI in schools. A few weeks

470
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Speaker 1: into her sophomore year in college, Leah Barrell got an

471
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Speaker 1: notification that made her stomach drop. She received a zero

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Speaker 1: on an assignment worth fifteen percent of her final grade

473
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Speaker 1: in a required writing class. A brief note, the professor

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Speaker 1: explained that he believed she had outsourced the composition of

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Speaker 1: her paper, a mock cover letter, to an AI chatbot. Now, Anthony, yes,

476
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Speaker 1: it's bad if kids are starting to exclusively use chatbots.

477
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Speaker 1: But the thing that I found fascinating about this particular paragraph.

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Speaker 1: A sophomore in college, fifteen percent of her grade was

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Speaker 1: a cover letter. I mean, maybe I'm old, but I

480
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Speaker 1: was writing cover letters in high school with proficiency. Is

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Speaker 1: this more of an indicator that the education in our

482
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Speaker 1: country has slipped to a level beyond repair, that we

483
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Speaker 1: might not even have to worry about chatbots At the

484
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Speaker 1: fact that a cover letter is worth fifteen percent of

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Speaker 1: your grade in freaking college.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's definitely been on the decline, and it's

487
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Speaker 3: definitely been failing, because.

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Speaker 2: You see the outlook of it.

489
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Speaker 3: Everyone always thinks it's policies that fail, it's legislation that fails,

490
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Speaker 3: it's politicians and all these other things. I'm like, those

491
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Speaker 3: are byproducts of the people who ask for them. And

492
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Speaker 3: I said, the only way to tell if something is

493
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Speaker 3: worth its validity are two things, through the results of

494
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Speaker 3: what people produce and time. And over time, what have

495
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Speaker 3: we seen. We have seen a generation of kids.

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Speaker 2: Job Bob.

497
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Speaker 3: You remember when we were in school and math teachers

498
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Speaker 3: used to take your calculators away, and they say, calculators will.

499
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Speaker 2: Dumb your brain down.

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Speaker 4: You need to learn how to do the math by yourself.

501
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Speaker 3: A calculator is just supposed to help you speed up

502
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Speaker 3: when you're in a crunch, but you need to learn

503
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Speaker 3: how to carry the denominator, how to do all these

504
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Speaker 3: other things. You have kids who are going to be

505
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Speaker 3: seniors going into the workforce that don't know how to

506
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Speaker 3: write a resume, They don't know how to put a

507
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Speaker 3: cover letter together. I was like, they don't even know

508
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Speaker 3: how to write themselves a bio for the things that

509
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Speaker 3: they've completed in life. And now when they sit here

510
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Speaker 3: and do all these other things relying on artificial intelligence,

511
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Speaker 3: anything artificial in the conservative world is a bad thing

512
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Speaker 3: because artificial is just a fancy word for fake. We

513
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Speaker 3: need organic intelligence to come back. People who are cognitive thinkers,

514
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Speaker 3: articulate speakers. I was like, rational debaters, all of these

515
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Speaker 3: things that require the use of your brain, because if

516
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Speaker 3: the world were to shut down on the internet were

517
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Speaker 3: to go ouf, there'd be very few people that could

518
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Speaker 3: survive without it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wild, and again I think it's just an

520
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Speaker 1: overall decline of what's going on in our school system. Glenn,

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Speaker 1: I sorry, I got a really really short time in

522
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Speaker 1: thirty seconds or less. When did you learn how to

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Speaker 1: write a cover letter?

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Speaker 4: Well, I've been writing cover letters my whole life, at

525
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Speaker 4: least my whole adult life. It's not that hard, and honestly,

526
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Speaker 4: AI can be great to get you started on that path.

527
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Speaker 4: But if you aren't able to take what AI spits

528
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Speaker 4: out and give it your own voice, then you truly

529
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Speaker 4: have been failed by the education system. Some of this

530
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Speaker 4: you just have to practice, put in the hard work,

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Speaker 4: and if you do that, you'll find the right job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, this girl said that she didn't use AI.

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Speaker 1: But again, my biggest thing that I'm caught up on

534
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Speaker 1: is the fact that fifteen percent of a grade, A

535
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Speaker 1: big chunk of her grade was based in as a

536
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Speaker 1: sophomore in college, was based around something so rudimentary.

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Speaker 2: I think your high school student could do it.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Watson, Glenn Henderson, guys, thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Really appreciate you taking the time.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next day. Clip from Alice Clark's Culture Apothecary podcast,

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Speaker 1: Don't Go Away, You be right back after this.

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Speaker 7: Dealing with the abuse that you and your siblings endured.

544
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Speaker 7: Did you guys struggle at all in school or their

545
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Speaker 7: behavioral issues?

546
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Speaker 8: Did you have trouble making friends.

547
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Speaker 6: As far as my sister is like, I don't know

548
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Speaker 6: for sure, but they appear to have done a lot

549
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Speaker 6: better than me in school. They were also more under

550
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Speaker 6: my mother's control. I struggled a lot, but I'm smart.

551
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Speaker 6: For example, my mother would put me into a special

552
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Speaker 6: ED class. And you know, at this point, I'm already

553
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Speaker 6: in denial, and if I have my mother putting me

554
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Speaker 6: in a special AD class, like I kind of feel

555
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Speaker 6: like there's something wrong with me.

556
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Speaker 7: That seems like a direct, deliberate move to again prevent

557
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Speaker 7: you from being able to speak out about what was happening.

558
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Speaker 8: People would doubt it because.

559
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Speaker 7: You're in the special ed class, or you know, well,

560
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Speaker 7: she's got some of these issues, so like she might

561
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Speaker 7: say some crazy things sometimes, you know what I mean.

562
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Speaker 8: That kind of seems like maybe that was on purpose.

563
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Speaker 6: I have so many stories like that, like I struggled

564
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Speaker 6: with drug addiction due to my trauma, the scapegoating, the

565
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 6: pointing the fingers at me from age twenty one to

566
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Speaker 6: twenty four, sixteen, seventeen to twenty four, on and off.

567
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Speaker 6: I'm thirty six now, And that's another example of you know,

568
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Speaker 6: like there's something wrong with Kibbi, like she has this thing,

569
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Speaker 6: but in all reality, my true self wouldn't use drugs

570
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Speaker 6: and I did it for a reason. And there were

571
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Speaker 6: there's a lot of examples like that, like kind of

572
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Speaker 6: like dumbing me down, pushing me in a corner where

573
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Speaker 6: it looks like I'm not presentable to society or humanity.

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Speaker 7: Talk about what you would hear during some of these rituals.

575
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Speaker 7: What would your mom say to you.

576
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Speaker 6: She would tie me up on a chair and I

577
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 6: would be like, no, don't, don't, don't, and she would

578
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 6: say you have to do this, you have to do this.

579
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Speaker 6: So it's like a lot of like verbal abuse and direction.

580
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Speaker 6: But I will speak on behalf of my most traumatic

581
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Speaker 6: memory or experience, and that was with Sam, and she

582
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Speaker 6: did speak to me during that ritual. And my mother

583
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Speaker 6: a big reason for her doing these sacrifices, in my

584
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Speaker 6: observations and experiences, is for her to get off to it.

585
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Speaker 6: In between rituals, she would essay us and she would

586
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Speaker 6: talk about the rituals, and.

587
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Speaker 8: That's how she would like get off.

588
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Speaker 6: She got to a point where she would get off

589
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Speaker 6: by making others do the deed as well. In cults,

590
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Speaker 6: from my understanding, when people make something do something so guilty,

591
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Speaker 6: where they feel so guilty and shameful, they don't want

592
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Speaker 6: to leave. So it was my turn, when I was

593
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Speaker 6: five almost six, to solely sacrifice a child, and it

594
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Speaker 6: was Sam, the eight year old. We just had dinner

595
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Speaker 6: with him. I love Sam. I'll never stop loving Sam,

596
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Speaker 6: and I'll never be tray Sam. I think that he's

597
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Speaker 6: a big reason why I'm here today recovering because it

598
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 6: was such a traumatic memory that I've held on. But

599
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Speaker 6: during that ritual, we had dinner with Sam, and I

600
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Speaker 6: thought he was my new brother, and I was so

601
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Speaker 6: excited because I'm like this brother, this eight year old's

602
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Speaker 6: going to save my broken family. And after the ritual

603
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 6: things changed pretty quick. Roles in my family changed throughout

604
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Speaker 6: the years. For example, my older sister started to graduate

605
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Speaker 6: towards the clean up role, which was my father's role.

606
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 6: So during the exact ritual itself, my older sister wasn't there.

607
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 6: I remember me and my right on the right, my

608
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Speaker 6: younger sister on the left. My mom was behind me

609
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Speaker 6: and she gave me a knife for my right hand

610
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Speaker 6: and she told me to do it to Sam. I wouldn't.

611
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 6: I couldn't, and I thought either something really bad would

612
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 6: happen to me or Sam would get let go. So

613
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Speaker 6: there was a lot of communication in this ritual. My

614
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 6: mom was saying, you have to do it, you have

615
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Speaker 6: to do it, and like I said, she always had

616
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Speaker 6: this sense of urgency. She was just getting so mad

617
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Speaker 6: at me, and I thought she was going to take

618
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Speaker 6: my hand and make me do it myself. And that's

619
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Speaker 6: not what happened. She gave it to somebody else who

620
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Speaker 6: looked very disassociated and did it themselves.

621
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Speaker 8: Did your mom force you to eat Sam?

622
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Speaker 6: Yes, that was my consequence for not sacrificing Sam, and

623
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Speaker 6: it wasn't the first time I was fed human flesh. Thankfully,

624
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 6: my mother cooked it. I've heard of other stories where

625
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 6: they don't. But because it was Sam, someone who I

626
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 6: grew an attachment to, I feel like that was me

627
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 6: drinking the kool aid or taking SIPs like that's kind

628
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 6: of what enabled me, or a big factor to go

629
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Speaker 6: into denial because I felt so guilty. And I will

630
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Speaker 6: say I didn't eat any of them fully, like I

631
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Speaker 6: had this thing where I would chew it up and

632
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 6: then when my mom wasn't looking, I would put it

633
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 6: under a blanket or in a milk glass. She never

634
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 6: said anything to me about it, thank God. But I

635
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Speaker 6: feel like I did that to help releviate some of

636
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 6: the guilts.

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Speaker 8: She think it might have worked too going through all

638
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Speaker 8: of this, What was your biggest wish?

639
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 6: I knew there was so much beauty outside of my family.

640
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 6: I didn't know how big Satanic ritual abuse was. My

641
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 6: first wish was to become an artist and tell on

642
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 6: my mother, and I developed into a teenager that came

643
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 6: more like telling my story about my mother as well.

644
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Speaker 8: How old were you when you were finally able to escape.

645
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Speaker 6: I was twenty three, years old when I moved from Wisconsin,

646
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 6: thousands of miles away. So I kind of look at

647
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 6: that as like I physically escaped them, because I don't

648
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Speaker 6: think I would have been able to recover at age

649
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Speaker 6: thirty had I been close to my mom, because that's

650
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Speaker 6: typically the way cults work a lot. I think having

651
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Speaker 6: seven years away from my family, and I had also

652
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Speaker 6: gotten sober, but that wasn't good enough for me. I

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Speaker 6: was still in denial. So I kind of look at

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Speaker 6: it it was like I physically got away at twenty four,

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Speaker 6: but mentally, spiritually, emotionally not until age thirty, and I'm

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Speaker 6: still on that journey.

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Speaker 7: You said the last ritual that you witnessed was around eight,

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Speaker 7: between eight and twenty.

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Speaker 8: Three when you escaped.

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Speaker 7: Did you guys ever talk about it, like was it

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Speaker 7: just this elephant in the room of what had gone

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Speaker 7: on all those years prior?

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Speaker 6: I think the first year or two. Maybe it was

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Speaker 6: like a small baby elephant, because like I was saying,

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Speaker 6: like we were in so much shame and guilt, like

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Speaker 6: we didn't want to talk about this. We were just kids.

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Speaker 6: I do remember a time when I was about ten

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Speaker 6: years old and my older sister we were outside playing

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Speaker 6: with chalk, and my older sister goes, remember when our

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Speaker 6: family used to kill people? And I'm sitting there thinking like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: with shame. I didn't say anything in this particular incident,

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Speaker 6: but my younger sister looks up and goes, yeah, afterwards,

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Speaker 6: it was a lot of brainwashing and manipulating us into

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Speaker 6: that it never happened. And it worked pretty well on

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Speaker 6: my sister's and it worked well on me too, But

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Speaker 6: for me, I chose self destruction.

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Speaker 7: Was your mom's personality kind of aloof? And there was

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Speaker 7: something different about her or to all appearances. Was she

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Speaker 7: like this really charming, warm woman.

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Speaker 6: You would never guess on the outside that she would

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Speaker 6: do these things. And I feel like one of her

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Speaker 6: manipulation tactics as she's gotten older, especially, is to exhibit

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Speaker 6: a persona which makes people confuse love for pity, if

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Speaker 6: that makes sense. It enables or helps people to trust

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Speaker 6: her more. Just her demeanor, the way she talks around.

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Speaker 6: She's very friendly to people. During my teenage years, after

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Speaker 6: the rituals, she put us in all these extracurricular activities

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Speaker 6: at volleyball. She was called Mama Razzi because she took

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Speaker 6: all the pictures she was like girl scout leader, like

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Speaker 6: just there for us.

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Speaker 8: That's interesting, she was a girl Scout leader.

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Speaker 7: How likely is it that she's that position to procure

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Speaker 7: some of these children.

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Speaker 6: I don't think that she used that position to get

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Speaker 6: the children. I think she for anything that she made

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Speaker 6: herself appear good, for example taking the pictures at volleyball,

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Speaker 6: or having us kids travel around for volleyball, or showing

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Speaker 6: that she's a good mom by putting us in these

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Speaker 6: extracurricular activities. I don't think she did that to get children.

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Speaker 6: I think she did that to make her persona look strong, reputable, kind,

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Speaker 6: and like a good mother.

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Speaker 7: Has your healing process been pretty up and down, like

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Speaker 7: you're doing well and then and then maybe you backslide

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Speaker 7: a little bit, or has it been Has it been

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Speaker 7: linear for you where it's just gotten better over time?

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Speaker 6: As long as I prioritize my recovery, my faith God,

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Speaker 6: it is linear, But it doesn't feel like it now.

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Speaker 6: Are there times that I am not as close with God? Yes? Absolutely,

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Speaker 6: I don't think recovery is linear, but in a sense

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Speaker 6: I kind of feel like it does, because when someone

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Speaker 6: keeps trudging and going forward like they do get back,

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Speaker 6: but by all means, it does not feel linear, like

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Speaker 6: I will go through a week of feeling safe and free,

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Speaker 6: and then I'll go through a week of not and hardships.

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Speaker 6: Another thing that happens during my healing era are my

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Speaker 6: friends rotate a lot. So that's something that brings a

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Speaker 6: lot of grief, and then I do the footwork to

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Speaker 6: find more supportive friends. So there's a lot of ups

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Speaker 6: and downs emotionally. But I do feel like if I

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Speaker 6: prioritize my recovery and my faith, I am growing immediately.

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Speaker 3: Nobody has thought about you, who's just twenty four to

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Speaker 3: seven flooding the zone.

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Speaker 2: Also too much. We're doing too much, and.

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Speaker 1: By too much, I mean not enough, because of course

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Speaker 1: the country still needs saving. I think Charlie would probably

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Speaker 1: attempts to take this country back in the direction that

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Speaker 1: we all want it to go. You can also email

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Speaker 1: TPT at tpusa dot com. Glenn, as you saw on

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Speaker 1: the previous clips segments, is again reads every single to

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Speaker 1: the punctuation he does, and I well, personally don't have

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Speaker 1: any emails today. But like I said, he's he reads

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Speaker 1: Without that, without further ado in the well, just brief

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Speaker 1: time we have. I thought this clip was fascinating and

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Speaker 1: just a great depiction of how libs look at everything.

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Speaker 2: Can't something just be what it is? Watch this.

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Speaker 1: It's a sketch, it's funny, it's insightful, and I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I think you'll enjoy.

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Speaker 10: It, Ashley, why don't you come up here? Intel's about

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Speaker 10: your piece?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 10: So I drew my grandpa's house. I just love my

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Speaker 10: grandpa and I have so many great memories in this house,

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Speaker 10: so I decided to draw it. I'm fascinated by your

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Speaker 10: choice to pick your grandfather's house rather than your grandmother's.

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Speaker 10: What a subtle commentary on the patriarchal legacies within the

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Speaker 10: black family structure. It's a cartography of belonging, a map

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Speaker 10: of kinship networks that sustained black communicative.

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Speaker 8: Space around the house.

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Speaker 10: It perfectly captures the isolation imposed by redlining and segregation.

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Speaker 10: It's urban planning, even coded oral tradition into visual form.

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Speaker 1: This isn't just a house, It's an archive of lived experience,

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Speaker 1: even your perspective choice is political viewing the structure from

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Speaker 1: the side suggests a reverence for black elders as knowledge.

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Speaker 10: Keepers the windows they simultaneously represent surveillance and visibility.

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Speaker 1: Wow, whoa, I've never seen a trap house before. Part

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Speaker 1: of the very end I thought was the funniest part.

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Speaker 1: You may not have caught it. Go back and rewatched it.

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Speaker 1: It'll be funny for you if you do catch it

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Speaker 1: and understand what it means. Jokingly, of course. But isn't

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Speaker 1: that Isn't that so indicative of how libs see everything?

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Speaker 1: The commentary on it, the caption on it, they didn't

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Speaker 1: see it, but the caption on the social media platforms

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Speaker 1: is it's just my grandpa's house. There's no common darry

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Speaker 1: on the racial divide, the buzzwords go wow, the subtle

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Speaker 1: nuances in the pedagogy of how black people were educated

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Speaker 1: in different ways. No, no, no, it's just my grandpa's house.

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Speaker 2: Not everything is.

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Speaker 1: In your weird I don't know, intersectional whatever, it's just

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Speaker 1: my grandpa's house. I thought that was fascinating. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back same time tomorrow, same time, same place tomorrow. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in Charlie's gonna take us out.

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Speaker 1: See you tomorrow. God bless America.

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Speaker 9: Today for hour two, I'm gonna play some of our

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Speaker 9: incredibly impactful conversation I had with Ben and Corley Spell.

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Speaker 9: They are not only the founders of Good Ranchers and

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Speaker 9: amazing company good Ranchers dot Com from Uncle Charlie, but

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Speaker 9: they also have an amazing story of God's faithfulness in

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Speaker 9: their times. I think you're gonna really enjoy it.

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Speaker 5: Watch this.

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Speaker 9: Okay, everybody here for a very special comment conversation to

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Speaker 9: friends mine I haven't seen for quite a while, Ben

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Speaker 9: and Correly Spell from good Ranchers dot Com. And we're

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Speaker 9: going to talk all about Good Ranchers this entire hour.

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Speaker 9: But first I want to say welcome backs to the program.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, thank you, thank you for me here.

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Speaker 9: So God has really been present throughout this entire company

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Speaker 9: and this journey. And if I understand correctly, Ben, you

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Speaker 9: heard from the Lord to start this company in the

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Speaker 9: first place, Is that right?

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Speaker 5: That's right?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Yeah, we were. I was a worship pastor at

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Speaker 11: a large church in Houston and I started I started

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Speaker 11: getting this just this pull on my heart to do

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Speaker 11: something else. I love ministry. I love I love music,

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Speaker 11: and I loved working at the church. I did it

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Speaker 11: from the time I was nineteen into my mid thirties,

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Speaker 11: and I just I started feeling and I just started

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Speaker 11: thinking I wanted to do something else so I didn't

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Speaker 11: have to take a paycheck from the church.

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Speaker 2: That's what what I thought. I was gonna Look.

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Speaker 11: What I was looking for was make like a side hustle,

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Speaker 11: even though it wasn't a term a decade, very much

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Speaker 11: termed nowt But so I thought, well, what could I

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Speaker 11: do on the side to supplement my income and to

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Speaker 11: where I could maybe just volunteer for the church. Again,

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Speaker 11: not that it's wrong to get paid by church, it's

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Speaker 11: a real job. I have a lot of pastor's friends

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Speaker 11: and and stuff, and watching a lot of Shark Tank

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Speaker 11: and getting and getting different ideas and things, and started

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Speaker 11: having this idea of a meat company and started kind

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Speaker 11: of telling I remember the first time I told Courly man,

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Speaker 11: somebody should do this, this, this and this and and

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Speaker 11: and even though I was praying for those ideas and

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Speaker 11: praying for God to give me something else, the first

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Speaker 11: time it came, you know, clueless, man, I am. I

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Speaker 11: didn't even it didn't even register for a second that

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Speaker 11: that was something that we should do or something that

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Speaker 11: was was for me. And so I remember sitting at

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Speaker 11: dinner at Corey saying, you know what, I bet if

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Speaker 11: somebody were to do this, this, this, and this, they

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Speaker 11: could be they could be pretty sick stressful. And then

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Speaker 11: we just didn't think any much of it. And over

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Speaker 11: the course of about a year, every three or four months,

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Speaker 11: I would have these ideas of starting a meat company,

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Speaker 11: which I knew nothing about meat, nothing about agriculture. Wasn't

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Speaker 11: we had no money. And at the point where we

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Speaker 11: finally said you know where, we finally listened and went,

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Speaker 11: you know, and went and did it. We had just

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Speaker 11: had our first baby boy. And this was at the

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Speaker 11: end of twenty seventeen and I was getting ready. I

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Speaker 11: was it was a Sunday morning, I was getting ready

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Speaker 11: for church, and all of a sudden, I start having

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Speaker 11: these thoughts of this meat company. And I always say

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Speaker 11: that God told me to start a meat company, but

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Speaker 11: what the words I actually heard in my head were.

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Speaker 2: You do it?

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Speaker 11: And it struck me to my core and I'm not

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Speaker 11: I want to be the first one to say like

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Speaker 11: I'm not this, Like God goes around talking to me

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Speaker 11: type person. Yeah, yeah, that's you know what, parking spot

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Speaker 11: to get her kind of things like that. But I

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Speaker 11: say it with a lot of conviction because it wasn't

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Speaker 11: an audible Heavens open up, you know, the all girls

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Speaker 11: start a meat company. It was just you do it.

869
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 11: And it just struck me to my core. And so

870
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 11: I came out. I came out of the room and

871
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 11: I went over to Corley and I said, God just

872
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 11: told me to start a meat company again. We had

873
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 11: a three month old baby boy. I was expecting her

874
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 11: to look at me and say, what are you talking about.

875
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 11: We don't have any money, we don't know anything about meat,

876
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 11: we don't know anything about running the business. And instead

877
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 11: she looked back at me and she said, if you

878
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 11: heard God, then I trust her.

879
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 9: Was that audible here or is it?

880
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 5: No?

881
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: It was no, like I said, it wasn't. It was

882
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: not audible.

883
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 11: It was just it just was in my in my spirit,

884
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 11: loud and clear, you do it. And so she said,

885
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 11: if you heard God, then I trust you. So we

886
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 11: we did just that. We went out, I didn't know

887
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 11: anything about anything, started selling meat out of the back

888
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 11: of a truck and parking lot in Waco, Texas, and

889
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 11: the side hustle began, yeah, and went from one truck

890
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 11: to two trucks, to three trucks to four trucks. And

891
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 11: then that was in twenty eighteen, and we were really blessed.

892
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 11: We were really blessed right off the bat with people

893
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 11: showing up and stuff. And then I have a very

894
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 11: curious nature about myself, and so I if I'm going

895
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 11: to do something, I really want to study and learn

896
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 11: and learn everything. I'm very competitive, So if I want

897
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 11: to do it, I want to do it. I want

898
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 11: to do it right. So I started reading and studying

899
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 11: and reading and studying about you know, about agriculture and

900
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 11: about meat. And in twenty nineteen we realized that there's

901
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 11: no country of origin labeling law, which you know, we

902
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 11: talk about.

903
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: It all the time.

904
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 11: We're going to talk about that more, yeah, for beef

905
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 11: or for pork in the US. And we went, WHOA,

906
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 11: that's not that's not cool, and so and then lo

907
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 11: and behold. We we looked at all the stuff that

908
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 11: we were buying at that time, and almost all of

909
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 11: it was was was imported, even though it was USDA

910
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 11: inspected product of USA and those things and so going

911
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 11: into twenty twenty, we made some new connections of supply

912
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 11: supplier connections and drew a line in the sand and said,

913
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 11: you know, we're only going to source American born, raised,

914
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 11: and harvested meat, and which is actually harder than you

915
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 11: would think. And and so we went into twenty twenty

916
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 11: with setting out for that goal, still selling meat out

917
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 11: of the back of trucks. COVID happened that year, which

918
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 11: was really crazy. We've realized we got to get online,

919
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 11: which we were kind of you know, in the future,

920
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 11: that'll be that'll be there one day. But yeah, we.

921
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 9: When you say you were selling meat, what do you

922
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 9: mean by that?

923
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 11: What does that mean?

924
00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 9: Yeah?

925
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 11: I know it was by like just prepackaged boxed beef

926
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 11: from from like a broker. There's people that still do this.

927
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 11: Once COVID happened, people started coming out of the woodworks

928
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 11: doing that sort sort of business model. It's kind of

929
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 11: existed for a long time in small towns, and so

930
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 11: we used that model to build the brand and and grow.

931
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 11: And that was the idea I originally had. I saw

932
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 11: people doing that, I thought, man, I bet you could

933
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 11: actually because by and large, almost everyone I don't want

934
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 11: to say everyone, but almost everyone doing that model is

935
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,959
Speaker 11: selling really really really poor quality and and just lying

936
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 11: about it because you know they can. It's kind of

937
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 11: fly by night shady kind of deal. So we set out,

938
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 11: let's do that, but build a brand around it. Let's

939
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 11: sell quality, let's source quality. The thing is, we didn't

940
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 11: know how to do that originally.

941
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 5: It