Speaker 1: Mo Monroe. It's wanted for the financial terrorist attack. Black Monday.
Speaker 1: Black Monday was my idea. It's me was a wall
Speaker 1: free himself. Moment back baby, welcome back all the smoke.
Speaker 1: It's been a minimout guy, my brother, how long it's been.
Speaker 1: It's been a couple of weeks, right, a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: Crazy glad Man. We've got an amazing guest, um l
Speaker 1: a legend, Boston Celtic legend, NBA champion, Paul Pierce Man,
Speaker 1: the hardest nickname name every boy. Before we get going,
Speaker 1: obviously in the midst of something, we were all very
Speaker 1: close to our brother Kobe Bryant. We want to shout
Speaker 1: out our man inc one for Kobe, to the mirror Man,
Speaker 1: incredible mirrors. Crazy, I still don't seem real, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: it means a lot to us to have him on
Speaker 1: our wall, just like he meant. It meant a lot
Speaker 1: to us when he was here. Um for us, you know,
Speaker 1: we were we were some guys that really appreciated him
Speaker 1: while he was here, really admired him. Idle mind, so
Speaker 1: to have him on his wall, it's only right, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: without the doubt. Man, let's let's just start there. We'll
Speaker 1: go back, but let's start what what what you and
Speaker 1: Kobe were going at it for a long time and
Speaker 1: met up in the finals and and tell me and then,
Speaker 1: like I said, you being from hearing him representing l
Speaker 1: A so much in you, what was Kobe Bryant to
Speaker 1: you when some of you guys matchups overall? I mean,
Speaker 1: like truthfully, um, Cole was like one of the few
Speaker 1: guys that are just like it wasn't kind of like
Speaker 1: all we all, yeah, like I played mad against everybody
Speaker 1: but him. We always had like a different type of relationship.
Speaker 1: I think it was more out of respect to Um.
Speaker 1: Everybody else I pretty much couldn't care less about and
Speaker 1: see that way, I mean off the court and um,
Speaker 1: but you know, just to have the opportunity to match
Speaker 1: up with him, I know him on and off the court,
Speaker 1: UM was special. I mean it made me who I
Speaker 1: am pretty much. I mean I got my nickname after
Speaker 1: a Laker game matching up with Kobe, won the championship
Speaker 1: versus pretty much and kind of like submitted my legacy
Speaker 1: playing against him. You know, so he me, he meant
Speaker 1: so much to me in the basketball world, and just
Speaker 1: to see him be gone like that. It was just
Speaker 1: it's like you almost lost a family member or you did,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I've lost family members, I've lost friends
Speaker 1: and stuff. But for some reason, this one like hit
Speaker 1: like one of the hardest hit hitting ones, and he
Speaker 1: was untouchable. That he's like them untouchable us like think happen.
Speaker 1: It can't happen, right, and so like it really like
Speaker 1: even today, man, I'm like just looking at the mirror,
Speaker 1: like it's like it's hard. It's hard. Man. Rest in
Speaker 1: peace to our brother cole Man and g G and
Speaker 1: everyone else in the tragic accident January. But let's get
Speaker 1: to it, man. A lot of people don't know you
Speaker 1: from the Bay. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: know I'm from Oakland with Paul, but you Oakland party
Speaker 1: begin with Yeah, So I was born in Oakland. You
Speaker 1: my my two oldest brothers. They played ball too. They
Speaker 1: went to Free Mint High School, but then we moved
Speaker 1: out from Oakland. I really didn't get my basketball. I
Speaker 1: wasn't a basketball in Oakland. No basketball. I was football
Speaker 1: and baseball. So you weren't the nicest in the family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course I was. My brothers was good. A lot
Speaker 1: of people don't know. My brother got drafted by Major
Speaker 1: leagues San Francisco Giants. My brother, Stephen Holsey, my oldest brother,
Speaker 1: played Division one Wyomi and uh, you know, so I
Speaker 1: started then in Oakland, but I was like, I turned
Speaker 1: into a hooper when I got there l A. So
Speaker 1: ten years old, you moved to Inglewood. Well, I moved
Speaker 1: to east side of l A like Normandy and Imperial
Speaker 1: for everybody people and that LT know that area is
Speaker 1: not good. So then I stayed a year over there
Speaker 1: with my relatives and then we moved to Inglewood when
Speaker 1: I was like eleven. A year later, we move to Inglewood,
Speaker 1: and then, you know, all my friends hooped. It was
Speaker 1: like on the weekend, you know, I want to play
Speaker 1: baseball or football tackle. You know, I used to playing
Speaker 1: the streets tackle. Everybody hoops. So I was just like, shoot,
Speaker 1: I gotta fall in line, and so I started hooping.
Speaker 1: I really didn't like hoop like that, but I was
Speaker 1: taught than everybody, and I was like, let me, let
Speaker 1: me start hooping. So I was kind of like a
Speaker 1: late bloomer truthfully, as far as the hoop gang, A
Speaker 1: little chubby kid real out of shame. If y'all seen
Speaker 1: these pictures, y'all went Beloeve. So when did you kind
Speaker 1: of fall for Like when did you kind of figure
Speaker 1: out like, Okay, I could do this ship. It took
Speaker 1: a while, man, I mean I was like I was
Speaker 1: I think I was skilled. H I remember I got
Speaker 1: I wasn't I first got on the first traveling team
Speaker 1: or you know y n C A team. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was y n C as my first organized basketball andingle
Speaker 1: with y m C. A shout out to the ingle
Speaker 1: with y Baron Davis, Andre Miller, Pelosio, Jason Hart came
Speaker 1: out of Ingley, and I wasn't really getting no minutes,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, man, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I like cooping. Man, I ain't getting no minutes. I'm
Speaker 1: over here in my feelings like tearing up after games.
Speaker 1: I'm in the sixth grade, not getting no minutes. And
Speaker 1: then that's like, shoot, I gotta work on my game.
Speaker 1: Pretty much. It was just like you know, my mom's
Speaker 1: was strong. She was like, well, you gotta practice, you
Speaker 1: gotta get better, which I think you're gonna be given
Speaker 1: to you. But this is before trainers, and this is
Speaker 1: one we need to just go outside and play all
Speaker 1: day park with the older dudes like this before, Like
Speaker 1: that was my workout to the park, right, going to
Speaker 1: the park on the weekends outside indoor. We mostly play outdoor,
Speaker 1: you know, so you're gonna come home with scrapes on
Speaker 1: your knees, bloody knees. And that's where we got tough
Speaker 1: at man. That's where my DNA come from, playing in
Speaker 1: the parks, you know, playing against grown man gangsters who
Speaker 1: don't know how to play. We're gonna file you all day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know that's where that's where the DNA uh
Speaker 1: come from when you see how I play. So tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about the scene in high school
Speaker 1: around here, because there was a lot of players that
Speaker 1: you played with coming up that made it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like the first pro I was ever around was Chris Mills,
Speaker 1: uh from Fairfax. Everybody respect Chris and uh was it
Speaker 1: Sean Higgins? Uh? Yeah, but it was. It was Chris
Speaker 1: Mills and Sean Higgins and uh they would come up
Speaker 1: to the high school and who and this is my
Speaker 1: first look you know, out of pro like real life,
Speaker 1: coming up in the bends. You know, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: their cars, I'm looking at they swag I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is what it's like when you're in
Speaker 1: the league and they don't miss and I'm looking at
Speaker 1: them shoot and you know, I looked up to them,
Speaker 1: you know, cash like Tracy Murder. They was all coming
Speaker 1: up before me and then my peers. You know, we
Speaker 1: got a lot of guys out of high school that
Speaker 1: was real good, freaky price. You know. I was just
Speaker 1: talking to Pool about this, um Toby Balley and all
Speaker 1: them cats. It was very competitive. You got cotton here
Speaker 1: and because that was the only was the only time
Speaker 1: we battle would be in the state championship. So it
Speaker 1: was that, you know, the down South crew and up
Speaker 1: North people. So did you did you beget? You lose? Olu?
Speaker 1: Jimmy Man, that was my guy. He was like the
Speaker 1: next magic. We went to Drim High together. That's my guy,
Speaker 1: stays Bosman. Yeah, you know about all these cats, are
Speaker 1: you digg indeed? Oh man, that might have been one
Speaker 1: of the best high school teams I've ever seen. Morningside
Speaker 1: High Like, if y'all ever get a chance, they got
Speaker 1: a documentary, actually, uh you should check it out. It's
Speaker 1: um we're not looking up at Morningside High School. Class
Speaker 1: of ninety four documentary. You can look at us. It's
Speaker 1: like people don't even know about this, like it was.
Speaker 1: This was the best basketball team I've ever seen. But
Speaker 1: they had a lot of trauma. You really got to
Speaker 1: see it. Were some of the greatest, Like I said,
Speaker 1: could you have seen them all out here? People that
Speaker 1: you that never made it? Man, one of them was Shakot. Dude,
Speaker 1: you played against Shane because you know you know about Shaky.
Speaker 1: But man, this once illustrated freshman high school. Yeah, unwill
Speaker 1: he was. He was in high school. I never he
Speaker 1: was one of the coldest young kids I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: I was one year older than him. We would be
Speaker 1: in six seventh grade battle and this is what I
Speaker 1: was chasing for like years years And you know you
Speaker 1: turned around here in sixth grade looking like all that
Speaker 1: I never This was Lebron before le Bron question and
Speaker 1: left handed? Yeah, I tell his people about him all
Speaker 1: the time, man child, Yeah, says doctor shout out shak
Speaker 1: Man he was. I remember I remember going playing um
Speaker 1: in l A Nike camp and then it came to
Speaker 1: l A and it was him, Baron Davis and the
Speaker 1: teen Cleaves and Ronnie Fields and they weren't and Courty
Speaker 1: Benjamin in the dunk contest. Bro I could not believe
Speaker 1: what I was saying. Now, Ronnie Fields wanted, I think
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, but him and Shade was going back.
Speaker 1: But people don't know these high school casts, they all
Speaker 1: had bounced. It was unbelievable. Corey Benjamin was taken off
Speaker 1: from free throw and we were all we were all
Speaker 1: hood babies too, and he was having a good time too.
Speaker 1: Bro Shay Cotton, who else? Of course, Baron Davis No,
Speaker 1: But I mean like that, that didn't make it. Didn't
Speaker 1: make it. Man. I say, like Ricky Price oh Man
Speaker 1: was like I thought he was the next Jordan's, Like
Speaker 1: he was the number one player out of California ninety
Speaker 1: four and I played on We played on the same team.
Speaker 1: I was younger than him, and he was like MJ
Speaker 1: to me, like he was the first cat that I've
Speaker 1: seen that was like six six six seven with handle
Speaker 1: got jumper. Usually back then, when you was that tall,
Speaker 1: they made you play in the post place, you made
Speaker 1: you play down low. Because that's what I was playing.
Speaker 1: I was like, shoot, I gotta get my game together.
Speaker 1: Like I was mainly a post player. And when I
Speaker 1: was watching him, I was like, I gotta get my
Speaker 1: jumper right his pull up and he was dunking on handles.
Speaker 1: I was like, shoot, if I want, I'm looking like
Speaker 1: Gilani Gardner guard oh Man. We had some talent come
Speaker 1: out of l A. I mean a lot of guys,
Speaker 1: A lot of guys didn't. I think maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: just sometimes when you get it too early, you get satisfied.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's the case with them.
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak about them like that, but
Speaker 1: you know, they always was real good. Since yeah, I
Speaker 1: was a lay Bloomer. I think that's what kept me hungry.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't get invited to Camp util my
Speaker 1: senior year. You know, a lot of cats was going
Speaker 1: to Nike and thetis since like ninth grade and you know,
Speaker 1: and I didn't even get an invite to Nike camp,
Speaker 1: by the way. So that's how later bloomer was like
Speaker 1: Adidas Camp and the rest is history. That's where I
Speaker 1: blew up. You played You played A You play you
Speaker 1: with KG. No One's got KG tw Inglewood where you
Speaker 1: ended up with Chicogo. We told you that. We end
Speaker 1: up talking to him about it on the show. Shout
Speaker 1: out terms. It's just terms, segments. Terms. In this segment,
Speaker 1: no listen was getting love on this show. Sir, I
Speaker 1: term coming on the team. I was on Case Swiss,
Speaker 1: first term team, Case Swiss. We were a case. We
Speaker 1: said we were a Case Swiss. Our team was so broke.
Speaker 1: We were Case Swiss, like people didn't know they made basketball.
Speaker 1: I still I just found it out that saw I
Speaker 1: broke our tea. We was all neighborhood kids. Get came
Speaker 1: together and and just hooped and uh the one year
Speaker 1: so this our senior year going unto our see we
Speaker 1: uh we somehow gets get the KG. Shout out to that.
Speaker 1: The coach saw KG at camp and was like, I
Speaker 1: got a kid on the West coast. You know, you
Speaker 1: need to come play with Vegas tournament. We would lose
Speaker 1: the Shaka in this tournament every year, second place, And
Speaker 1: so we brought KG and he stayed at my crib
Speaker 1: in the wood for the week. We practiced at the
Speaker 1: high school. You know, people heard of him. So we
Speaker 1: was having practice and it was open gym, so they'll
Speaker 1: let everybody come in and watch. Yeah, watch, we're looking.
Speaker 1: I ain't never seen a cat this tall, seven feet
Speaker 1: out here, just like y'all seen KG in the league, right, dude,
Speaker 1: this was high school. I'm talking about every time he
Speaker 1: blocked your shot and stands he like, ah, like like
Speaker 1: I think he was worse young, Like that's how I was.
Speaker 1: Never it was I've never seen like y'all see this
Speaker 1: in the league. This didn't just happen in the league.
Speaker 1: Like the intensity was like that, and I've never seen
Speaker 1: nothing like this. I was like, damn sweating everywhere. It
Speaker 1: was kind of saying, though he's seen Gilanni, he's seen
Speaker 1: Gilanni doing that. Yeah, they matched up in this tournament. Oh,
Speaker 1: he turned up on him and he so we played
Speaker 1: him in the championship. We gets he fling out, were
Speaker 1: playing this Vegas turn. We meet the championship. We get
Speaker 1: to the championship again, but this time we got KG.
Speaker 1: We got all the top players, shake Cotton alluding me man,
Speaker 1: Jason Hard, they all on one team and it's just
Speaker 1: me KG turn, said Aaron. These other cats, if they
Speaker 1: watched this, shout out to you man. It was on
Speaker 1: the sud it was on the Saturn said. It was
Speaker 1: like a little Tony gall a little defense. He was
Speaker 1: garbaged though he was he was. He was because I said,
Speaker 1: but you remember that you told me how you turned
Speaker 1: about the game twenty one in high old competence. It
Speaker 1: couldn't have been nice, No, he was. He was just
Speaker 1: a little deep as a player our game like twenty
Speaker 1: one and two minutes. You know, that's that's facts, that's facts.
Speaker 1: That but we wanted up winning the tournament. You know afterwards.
Speaker 1: KG lived in South Carolina, but we was in Vegas.
Speaker 1: You know, he a country kid. This is first like
Speaker 1: in the city, South Carolina. But while we're in Vegas,
Speaker 1: he tell you the story how we had them like
Speaker 1: jumping out of calves running. We was like we was,
Speaker 1: we take a calf, like all r y'all, we're gonna
Speaker 1: circuit cervice today. So we're about to pull a circus cerry.
Speaker 1: We ain't got no money. We're jumping in a cab.
Speaker 1: So we're like, all right, look we're gonna meet over here.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna dip the cab. Boom, we jump out.
Speaker 1: We run at KG don't know what's going on, looking
Speaker 1: at what we're doing, and we start breaking and then
Speaker 1: we get inside circus Sexus. We all meet up. He
Speaker 1: was all heart racing fact, he was like, man, what
Speaker 1: is we doing? You know? He a country cat, like, no,
Speaker 1: this is what we're doing, you know, turv he said,
Speaker 1: we're like we jumping out the cab. Everything this is
Speaker 1: in Vegas. This is that. But everything was walking back
Speaker 1: and so he don't know this. It's too much. It's
Speaker 1: too many lights. And then to go from South Carolina Vegas.
Speaker 1: Oh man, he was like, man, y'all too wild out here.
Speaker 1: Because I tried to get him. So he was moving
Speaker 1: South Carolina and I was talking to him after the tournament.
Speaker 1: He was gonna come play with me in Inglewood. He
Speaker 1: was like, man, I want to move. I'm leaving South
Speaker 1: Carolina did to get out. He had his trouble out there.
Speaker 1: So it's between Chicago and l A. But I just
Speaker 1: think he was a little bit too much for him.
Speaker 1: But little did he know going to the Chicago was
Speaker 1: the same thing. And so we was this close to
Speaker 1: be a high school teammates. So growing up in l A.
Speaker 1: Obviously you're you're a Laker fan, right, that was a must.
Speaker 1: I wore a Lakers sweater. I'll show your pictures. I
Speaker 1: got a Lakers sweater, used to wear every day to school.
Speaker 1: You know it was a hoodie that I got. I mean,
Speaker 1: who could not be a Laker fan from me? I
Speaker 1: grew up right down the street from the form right
Speaker 1: there in Inglewood watching magic. I hated the Celtics. It
Speaker 1: was just like you're from l a let alone Inglewood,
Speaker 1: where the forum is what's k and you know, how
Speaker 1: can you not be? I mean, so that's what making
Speaker 1: real ironic when I get drafted to the Celtics and
Speaker 1: I didn't even work out for the culthing. So then
Speaker 1: when I look back at my career, man, it's like, damn,
Speaker 1: some ship that's meant to be. It's crazy. I heard
Speaker 1: you speak on it before, like you stay an extra
Speaker 1: year in college because you want to come out and
Speaker 1: possibly the you know, the number one pick at that time,
Speaker 1: it could have possibly been the Clippers, right, Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I had Clippers was the number one pick, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I want to go home and play.
Speaker 1: So I worked out for him, and then I asked
Speaker 1: him for a second workout, Like I was projected to
Speaker 1: go number two to the Vancouver Grizzlies, and so the
Speaker 1: Clippers wanted the big man. They picked a little candy
Speaker 1: and then I was like, all right, I'm locked in.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Vancouver play with Shrief. I'll do
Speaker 1: it right here, me and him. Damn the draft come,
Speaker 1: I just slip. I'm all American, I'm a top five
Speaker 1: player in college. I'm a for National Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering, why is it I'm slipping. I'm slipping
Speaker 1: in the draft, Like, all right, I'm gonna want no
Speaker 1: worse than top five. Golden State passed. I can tell
Speaker 1: you the same order. Clippers, Denver, Uh, No, Clippers Vancouver, Denver,
Speaker 1: Golden State five, No, Toronto was four, going to stay five,
Speaker 1: and then you got Milwaukee, Sacramento was six, Milwaukee, Dallas, Boston.
Speaker 1: And that's why I went to the gym after that,
Speaker 1: when I got picked Tip, I went to the gym
Speaker 1: and I was shooting him. Clippers, Denver, Uh, that Couver,
Speaker 1: all the teams that passed me, yelling out to coach
Speaker 1: who the coaches boa, Larry Brown. Uh, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm like, this is all this was my motivation.
Speaker 1: You're coming out with Benin's, then I'm coming out because
Speaker 1: I'm competitive. I was competitive. I want to be the
Speaker 1: number one pick. I want to if that worst two.
Speaker 1: So now all these eight nine teams that passed on me,
Speaker 1: y'all gonna feel this one. But before they can't, you
Speaker 1: went to answers, how how was that like ding joining
Speaker 1: that tradition in your time to Curly Top Paul, That
Speaker 1: was Curly Top Farm. Dude, I'm gonna tell you. Going
Speaker 1: from Inglewood to Kansas was an ultimate culture shot. Like
Speaker 1: straight up, like, I never seen farms. I've never been.
Speaker 1: I lived around all minorities, Black Mexican, that's all I
Speaker 1: ever grew up around. Like, and then you're going, You're
Speaker 1: seeing all these nationality white, Indian, like like cattle. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: but I needed to get out of l A. You know.
Speaker 1: I was kind of like it wasn't really a great student.
Speaker 1: Um it's almost didn't make it because of my grades.
Speaker 1: Luckily that scholarship. But I was like, I couldn't went
Speaker 1: to USC you know, all the West coast because you said,
Speaker 1: you said, actually just won a national championships, so I
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the next in line to help
Speaker 1: him win it again as a top player. So I
Speaker 1: was just like I knew myself and I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: I was getting in trouble. I was out on the streets.
Speaker 1: It was just you know, it's me and my mom,
Speaker 1: and I'm doing pretty much whatever I want. She working
Speaker 1: two jobs, you know, night shifts and not getting home
Speaker 1: till late. So you do whatever. And it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: my older brothers is at the house. But also I
Speaker 1: need to get out of here. I need to get
Speaker 1: the Kansas. Like you see in the ministers siety with
Speaker 1: the kids. I feel like I'm that reading the Kansas.
Speaker 1: We said you need to go reading them to kids.
Speaker 1: We are reading them the kids, and I went out
Speaker 1: the kids. It's like, this is where I need to go.
Speaker 1: I need to get away from everything. Man, focus on
Speaker 1: school and just hoop and I just and I stayed
Speaker 1: there in the summer. I was like, I'm not coming home.
Speaker 1: You know, I have friends that killed too, because you remember,
Speaker 1: I think about it, people always trying to get home
Speaker 1: in the summer, especially going something like that. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but I have friends that lost state life and how school.
Speaker 1: I just I was seeing this in front. I'm seeing
Speaker 1: this at a young age. I'm like, you know, I
Speaker 1: need to get away. You know, something can happen to me.
Speaker 1: I live in a volatile area, and so I need
Speaker 1: to get away. Man, you gotta be mature. You gotta
Speaker 1: know when you see the stuff you see as a kid,
Speaker 1: you like, no kids should be able to like grow
Speaker 1: up around come shots firing every other night, you putting
Speaker 1: your hands over your ears, losing friends at a young age.
Speaker 1: And when you see that, it is you grow up fast. Man.
Speaker 1: You try to make tough decisions. And I decided to
Speaker 1: get out. College basketball was real back then, because that's
Speaker 1: kind of really before people started jumping straight to the pros.
Speaker 1: I mean, all the best players were in college for two, three,
Speaker 1: four or three or four years about that A little
Speaker 1: bit man college was scene. You had Kentucky, Antoine Walker,
Speaker 1: Allen Iverson, Ray, Islan Carrey, Kindles, Marcus Camp, you had.
Speaker 1: I mean it was so many Tim Duncan, Keith and
Speaker 1: Horn all this this is my college are like I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. Everybody was staying to the junior year, that
Speaker 1: was leaving early, that was leaving until you know, KG
Speaker 1: was the first one out of high school. People didn't
Speaker 1: know you can go out of high school. He went
Speaker 1: out ninety five. But everybody was leaving their junior year. Man,
Speaker 1: we Mike Bibbie oh Man, they put us out. He
Speaker 1: put us out. He put me out the tournament two times,
Speaker 1: like my freshman year. Was supposed to go there and
Speaker 1: win the national championship. They they beat us to go
Speaker 1: to final four. He was the favorite that year. They
Speaker 1: came in him and who was on your team though,
Speaker 1: just just for people who don't know, I played with
Speaker 1: Jacque Bond who made pros. Uh, Scott Potter playing in
Speaker 1: the pros, rateful friends pres in the Pros. Then we
Speaker 1: had a scrappy guard, Jared Hass who was coach at
Speaker 1: Stanford right now. It was tough. Yeah. We had Billy
Speaker 1: Thomas was a shoot off the Benchi and he would
Speaker 1: play some years in the Pro two. Uh So there
Speaker 1: was some of We had a pro squad. We was
Speaker 1: supposed to win it. We was supposed to win. Roy
Speaker 1: Williams alan Field house Man. You don't even know. When
Speaker 1: I stepped on that campus growing up in there, like
Speaker 1: going ut to us l A games and they was
Speaker 1: the champs that year. But when I stepped on and
Speaker 1: I saw a Kansas game, it was like nothing. I
Speaker 1: just knew I had to go there. The crowd, I mean,
Speaker 1: y'all see it on TV. Man, it was just like
Speaker 1: something I had to play for. People don't understand, like
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously when to U c l A. But
Speaker 1: when you cut U c l A. See, no matter
Speaker 1: what there's it's l A. So there's always so much
Speaker 1: other ship going on, Clippers, the Dodgers, whatever, whatever when
Speaker 1: you go to one of these small like basketball is absolute.
Speaker 1: Life at Kansas was the Carolina right, that's the only
Speaker 1: show in town. So the environment is suited for you guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was signing autographs like every day, like we was
Speaker 1: like the pros, Like We're going places, getting free at
Speaker 1: the restaurants. I'm like I felt like a pro already,
Speaker 1: and it was just like damn, U feel like I
Speaker 1: already made it. You'd be surprised, man, this, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like it's just different. It's different people spending night. People
Speaker 1: put wheels on their tickets like serious, they put them down,
Speaker 1: and I'm here, I'm seeing this like damn, this is
Speaker 1: my first real like feeling like crazy basketball culture. You know,
Speaker 1: I've never seen nothing like this, And like you said,
Speaker 1: up until that point, you hadn't been around nothing. That's
Speaker 1: pretty much all white people out there. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: and loving you. I went. I went to junior college
Speaker 1: and Butler and Butler Kansas. Yeah, like I know, my brother.
Speaker 1: I couldn't do the leading a lion down that selling week.
Speaker 1: Didn't do it. I got three weeks, but I couldn't
Speaker 1: take it. But talking about the culture shot, I could
Speaker 1: not take it. I had to get I had to
Speaker 1: get up out of there quick. But knowing that after
Speaker 1: you going through that and you grew up in l
Speaker 1: a lacal fan your whole life and end up at Celtic,
Speaker 1: I know what was that? You know, like that was real?
Speaker 1: Like when I got drafted, when I was like, man
Speaker 1: going over there, you never had that I was, you
Speaker 1: know what the thing was that? It was just like
Speaker 1: I was happy to be a pro like we all did,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I'm in now, like I don't even think it really
Speaker 1: matter where I went. But when you when I got picked,
Speaker 1: because it was shocking. I wasn't I supposed to go
Speaker 1: on the top five, ended up number ten to a
Speaker 1: team I didn't even work out for and so but
Speaker 1: then it was a Celtics and I'm hearing all these
Speaker 1: stories about Rick Pattino. I was scared. I was like, shoot,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, I got I gotta go play
Speaker 1: for Rick Patino. I heard his practices. It's crazy. Like
Speaker 1: if I thought my practice at Kansas was hard, That's
Speaker 1: the only thing going through my mind. But I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm man now, I don't care. I don't care about
Speaker 1: for the Celtics, even though I hated I'm growing up. Man,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I mean, I think that's
Speaker 1: what it was all about, all of us. We didn't
Speaker 1: care where we went, shook the commissioner and we in
Speaker 1: tell me with ationships. I mean, once you're in this
Speaker 1: historical franchise, right about Bill Russell? You know the great
Speaker 1: how did that? How was that? Man? These guys that
Speaker 1: understand the tradition of the franchise. Yeah, I had a chance.
Speaker 1: When I first got there, I met Red r. Back
Speaker 1: and he had a golf, a charity golf thing he
Speaker 1: would do every year. And this is my first time
Speaker 1: meeting him. So I'm sitting on the couch and he
Speaker 1: comes sitting down next to me and I'm like, how
Speaker 1: are you doing? Mr? All Back? He was like, you know,
Speaker 1: he got a cigar that that was real. He always
Speaker 1: had a cigar. He was like, yeah, I watched you
Speaker 1: at Kansas. I didn't even think he knew who I
Speaker 1: was at the time, you know what I'm saying. He
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, Pearce, I watched you at Kansas. You
Speaker 1: need to do this for you. The first thing, we
Speaker 1: just started talking basketball. And then but now it's like, damn,
Speaker 1: this red are back talking to me. So now it's like, damn,
Speaker 1: look at this culture. Bill Russell's around, John Happen Check,
Speaker 1: these just got legends just coming around. Like now part
Speaker 1: of this culture. I go from one tradition at Kansas
Speaker 1: to another basketball tradition where it's like legends everywhere and
Speaker 1: they support they at the games, they they off the
Speaker 1: court with you. I had a chance at dinner, would
Speaker 1: bid Russell times cent a corn Brad Maxwell. That's my boy,
Speaker 1: that's my man, corn bread. Tommy Heinson just to just
Speaker 1: hear the stories, you know, you just like soak up
Speaker 1: all the stories. You sit there, talk to Russell, you
Speaker 1: sit there, talk to Heinson like how was you know?
Speaker 1: How was Bird? How was you know? How was Hondo?
Speaker 1: You know? How was having the check? You know? And
Speaker 1: then you get a chance like yeah, you know when
Speaker 1: you get a chance to soak that up and here
Speaker 1: about like, you know, how was they off the court?
Speaker 1: You know how did they He'll be shocked. Man, they
Speaker 1: back in the day, they used to smoke cigarettes in
Speaker 1: the locker room, have beers. Yeah, that was in the
Speaker 1: locker room frigerator. They got pictures of that in Boston,
Speaker 1: somebody that's Look, they got pictures of guys on the
Speaker 1: self to smoking a cigarette after the game. It's still
Speaker 1: in their uniform. Like people don't even notice, Like it's
Speaker 1: a picture with the beer case right there in the
Speaker 1: locker room. Like people don't even know this stuff. Game over.
Speaker 1: So you get to see what do you twenty when
Speaker 1: you get to Boston? Yeah, just turned twenty one? Where
Speaker 1: are you at? Just as a man, I mean, straight
Speaker 1: California kid throwing into Kansas, which is kind of a
Speaker 1: culture shock that ends up being great. Now you're throwing
Speaker 1: into Boston all this history. I mean, the thing is
Speaker 1: too Like as a young man, you just you hear
Speaker 1: Boston is a racist city. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: no doubt. And coming from l A and Kansas and
Speaker 1: going to Boston, it's like that's all you're thinking about
Speaker 1: It's like, man, I'm in a racist It's just know,
Speaker 1: it's known. It's like no, you know, and I'm just
Speaker 1: like trying to find my way. I'm over here, got
Speaker 1: an apartment. I don't know, you know which way is left?
Speaker 1: Snow more snow and another culture shock again, re culture
Speaker 1: shock and and you know hearing these accents, you know,
Speaker 1: and yeah, all I'm thinking like, man, this city is racist.
Speaker 1: But you know what Boston has really like as far
Speaker 1: as sports, they pioneered a lot of the athletes, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, first black coach, first team to
Speaker 1: draft African American player. Um, and you know I learned
Speaker 1: about the history, but that still don't take away about
Speaker 1: how people are. But you know, I really didn't have
Speaker 1: a chance to really feel a lot of racism because
Speaker 1: I was a sports different ground. Yeah, bringing both sides together,
Speaker 1: no matter who, cause, what color, whatever situation is. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so um, you know I didn't I didn't know
Speaker 1: that life would come full circle, that I'll be coming
Speaker 1: from l A to living in Boston all the years.
Speaker 1: So you come out with a strong rookie campaign. You
Speaker 1: may come out the gates and strong talk about your
Speaker 1: first year in the league playing for the Celtics. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I came in with a chip on my shoulder.
Speaker 1: I came in with it's a straight chip. I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna like wait for nobody. I was just like, I'm here,
Speaker 1: I'm pissed that these other teams didn't draft me. I'm
Speaker 1: coming out. This is it. You only get one shot,
Speaker 1: and this was my shot. I need to make a
Speaker 1: name for myself right now. That was just the fire
Speaker 1: hearing me, the competitiveness, and uh, I wasn't gonna take
Speaker 1: a back seat to nobody. I mean that was my mentality.
Speaker 1: I was just like, you either love me or hate me,
Speaker 1: straight up, this is who I am. This is all
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play every night. I could or don't. So
Speaker 1: coming from l A, like you said, you made a
Speaker 1: conscious decision, knowing what kind of ship she was running
Speaker 1: in the street, trip and running. You make a move
Speaker 1: to Kansas to get out of California. You get to
Speaker 1: Boston September two. Never forget that day, stabbed eight times,
Speaker 1: nearly die. Talk to me about that. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know it all started. I was you know, I was young,
Speaker 1: you know, hanging out all the time, going to the clubs,
Speaker 1: you know. And so it was a night when I
Speaker 1: went in Buzz club and I called myself talking to
Speaker 1: some young ladies. You know, I'm single at the time.
Speaker 1: Next thing, I know, one of the long ladies. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's her, dude, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: Next thing, I know, a guy approached me like that's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't talk to her, and I'm like
Speaker 1: what she like, like, I don't really mess with dude.
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, I'm in a tesso with him.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It happened so fast, man, it happened
Speaker 1: so fast. I don't even know how I got into it.
Speaker 1: It's just one dude right here. The next thing I know,
Speaker 1: the story come out. I was fighting with three guys,
Speaker 1: you know. Once it was all over with and sober,
Speaker 1: I'm standing up. I know, I didn't even know I
Speaker 1: was being stabbed. And so I look up. I got
Speaker 1: to jacket on. I look up and my jacket is
Speaker 1: red blood everywhere. I'm a kind of leaking down my face.
Speaker 1: I can really keep my eyes open. And they're like,
Speaker 1: you stabbed. They need to go to the hospitals with Derek,
Speaker 1: Patti and Tony. But he was at the club that night,
Speaker 1: but we kind of like separated when you know, you're
Speaker 1: walking around talking to females and stuff. Cool dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh and that night changed my life. And I
Speaker 1: remember being at the hospital, banging on the hospital door
Speaker 1: and you know, asking, am I gonna die? Am I
Speaker 1: gonna die? I'm have a shortness of breath, and you know,
Speaker 1: it really changed my life for me to get through
Speaker 1: that where you gotta stabbed that. I gotta stabbed three
Speaker 1: times in the stomach and five times in the back,
Speaker 1: but like two different knives and got hit upside the
Speaker 1: head with my with a bottle. I got a scarms
Speaker 1: right side of my eye. I had to have plastic
Speaker 1: surgery all on this part because it was all scraped out.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that when you were drilling this,
Speaker 1: you don't feel none of that, you know. I wasn't
Speaker 1: on the ground out of it, you know, up like
Speaker 1: and then it was over. I realized I was this
Speaker 1: was all happening, and it was like I had a
Speaker 1: big old scar. Yeah, so all this was happening, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, I gotta change or something. Man. I
Speaker 1: could have been I could have been I've seen how
Speaker 1: many people are affected. Come on, you know, like it
Speaker 1: was on the news. I mean, I'm getting important of
Speaker 1: letters and stuff. I'm just happy. And then you know
Speaker 1: what the crazy part about it, man, and how I
Speaker 1: respect life and I appreciate life so much, and help
Speaker 1: me appreciate life. Um, I get home after two days
Speaker 1: in the hospital and I'm seeing the news and they
Speaker 1: showed a kid, a teenager got staffed twice and died.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, damn, you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm I'm lucky. Man, I'm lucky. I can't
Speaker 1: I can't at my family, damn putting myself in these positions.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, stuff happens. Though you know, I'm
Speaker 1: still a kid hanging out having fun. I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't know, you don't know. And it just it really
Speaker 1: changed my life. I don't think I went out like
Speaker 1: people don't know this, but I actually carried a gun
Speaker 1: for two years right after that. I was so paranoid,
Speaker 1: like I kept it in the car, I had it on.
Speaker 1: I was so paranoid like after that, I was just
Speaker 1: like I couldn't be in crowds. I'm like, you know
Speaker 1: you something like that, happened to you. Man, it's traumatic,
Speaker 1: especially when you know when you're going out you ain't
Speaker 1: bothering nobody and I can tell you to do knew
Speaker 1: who you was, and a lot of times there's really
Speaker 1: just some hating ship. But they expect you. They expected
Speaker 1: for you to take the disrespect and not defend yourself,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it always turned the
Speaker 1: opposite for him and they end up getting their ads
Speaker 1: with But but but let's see what it is is
Speaker 1: you you end up carding situation and you look wrong,
Speaker 1: but you really just out enjoying yourself, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But that's that's the that's the ship that
Speaker 1: attracts us is when you're successful. But you know what,
Speaker 1: but the thing to us as as athletes, we we
Speaker 1: people look at us and we're targets. I mean you
Speaker 1: see today you know how rappers they're getting killed. You know,
Speaker 1: certain things that's happened up to guys, especially African American's
Speaker 1: were targets when we get famous. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know other culture. You don't hear about this
Speaker 1: type of stuff. It's like we hate on each other
Speaker 1: and it's a shame. You know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: the same type of ship though, and it's a perfect example.
Speaker 1: I use a person that's not famous to make it
Speaker 1: out of your hometown and don't come back. Nobody don't care.
Speaker 1: Let Paul peers making it. Don't come back and give
Speaker 1: back here, sellout. He ain't ship. Both of you are successful,
Speaker 1: but that you more famous, you ain't ship. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But that's just how it is. Comes
Speaker 1: with it. But I want to touch back to because
Speaker 1: this is so, this is two thousands, this is before
Speaker 1: mental health is talked about it all. And like you said,
Speaker 1: you touched on your paranoid and anxiety, the fear that
Speaker 1: touch on that. Because that this is before this was
Speaker 1: touched it's not manly to talk about this kind of
Speaker 1: ship back then. Yeah, man, And like I said, I
Speaker 1: didn't really I had. It was so bad that I
Speaker 1: couldn't even like sleep, like I wake up in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night. People don't like this is a story.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know. I had to have
Speaker 1: a twenty four hour police surveillance in my house. That's
Speaker 1: how paranoid. I was. Sit outside and I did all
Speaker 1: I did was go to the gym at home for
Speaker 1: like a good two year stretch. Man. I was just
Speaker 1: like it changes you, dude, you don't know where to go,
Speaker 1: you don't know who to look at, you don't know
Speaker 1: you don't you on your toes, like really on your toes,
Speaker 1: Like man, I'll kill something, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like I'm just like that. I was like like that, man,
Speaker 1: And so I had to channel all that energy just
Speaker 1: to our basketball. It was just like, man, I'm I
Speaker 1: was like to the point of like losing it to
Speaker 1: All I want to do is go to the gym.
Speaker 1: So now hours in the gym, because you know, our
Speaker 1: basketball is for us. I saw our sanction that time
Speaker 1: we're in the gym. We don't think about nothing else.
Speaker 1: You know that whatever shorp here we got right there,
Speaker 1: everything else going out the window, where girl problems, family problems,
Speaker 1: money problems, whatever. It's just that you just you know
Speaker 1: how that is, y'all know what I'm saying. Y'all know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Just like that one moment you got
Speaker 1: it that day. I turned that into like hours in
Speaker 1: the gym, though, like four or five hours in the gym.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to like stop hooping. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to go home because now that's I'm thinking, And it
Speaker 1: paid off. You know the next year career highs. You
Speaker 1: played in two games, like that was the positive side
Speaker 1: from what you have went through and made you lock in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I chantled all my energy now I played every single game.
Speaker 1: I did not want to not play games. And mother
Speaker 1: to us to play a two games we think made
Speaker 1: a lot to us. But like straight up, I did
Speaker 1: not want to not play a game like right now,
Speaker 1: like this low management. I'm like, I couldn't. You can't
Speaker 1: tell me to sit down. But how many people can
Speaker 1: how many stars can actually say and it played eighty
Speaker 1: two games though even in our ever, ain't too many
Speaker 1: stars can say that a lot of guys would beat
Speaker 1: up y'all took a y'all took a beating back then
Speaker 1: to play any two games. That says a lot of
Speaker 1: you got. You got respect from all your peers. When
Speaker 1: when the mother said he played in two games, it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard because you people thinking you. It's not because
Speaker 1: you're not edging you. You're playing through something. You're playing
Speaker 1: through something. You're gonna have it. I don't care if
Speaker 1: it's a jam toe sprang fingers. You're playing through something
Speaker 1: you ain't going through eighty two healthy. And people don't
Speaker 1: realize your incident was what like a month away from
Speaker 1: training camp, happened in septem It happened in septem right
Speaker 1: before the season. And then people also don't know is
Speaker 1: that season is when you dropped forty two or Code?
Speaker 1: Ain't got your nickname was one of the coldest things
Speaker 1: about that. Well, I was like I said, I was
Speaker 1: John Player went to the Staples. You know, I come
Speaker 1: home and who you know, you gotta show out. I
Speaker 1: got all these tickets. I got all these tickets and
Speaker 1: got my homies, my family, and I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I can't let them down. So I made it a
Speaker 1: point every time I came to the Staples, I gotta
Speaker 1: have a big game. So it was a game where
Speaker 1: I dropped like forty two, I believe, you know, while
Speaker 1: matched up with Code and shot out. They're the champs.
Speaker 1: You know, they're the champs on their court. And then
Speaker 1: after game, it was just like I remember the reporter
Speaker 1: came up to me, his name Steve Bullpitt. He was like,
Speaker 1: you hear what Shock said about you? I was like,
Speaker 1: what he said, I don't take this quote and don't
Speaker 1: edit it. Paul Pierce is the motherfucking truth. So next
Speaker 1: from shock, after I dropped forty two, and so the
Speaker 1: next day in the paper it's like, Paul Pierce the truth.
Speaker 1: And so now you know, people are starting to call
Speaker 1: me that. I'm like, okay, I like that. I'm feeling that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Homies is calling what's up proof.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm feeling that, all right. So that
Speaker 1: it just stuck, you know what I'm saying. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, so I gotta live up to this now.
Speaker 1: So next night I think I dropped forty again. Like again,
Speaker 1: I think I'm about to drop back to back forties.
Speaker 1: After that, my confidence was to the roof. If you
Speaker 1: got Diesel giving you a nickname, you go to them
Speaker 1: on Man's that's respect that year, Yeah, that's respect. Right
Speaker 1: there after Diesel giving it up for you, Deesel, don't
Speaker 1: just give it up for nobody, straight up, straight speaking
Speaker 1: of the staments and that you remember the game that
Speaker 1: we are playing with. I don't know if it was magic,
Speaker 1: but you and Baron was ma we at the charity game.
Speaker 1: Yeah you remember that. Yeah, he took over the Midsummer
Speaker 1: Nights Midsummer Nights Magic. He knew he grew into this,
Speaker 1: he was. But I remember the game and we were
Speaker 1: on the sideline. We had all had tall cups of
Speaker 1: vodka dogs during the game. I know that was out
Speaker 1: there in his first possession and try to drill it
Speaker 1: and dribble off his foot and checks out during again,
Speaker 1: he just that was that summertime. That was that summertime,
Speaker 1: bring all the guys together summers. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: he brought all the cats in the summer to hang
Speaker 1: out for a weekend. But you and really made that
Speaker 1: game that year. I wanted to give your probles on that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had a good, good run on that. So you
Speaker 1: get a taste of the playoffs two thousand to two
Speaker 1: thousand three. So back then it's it's Ai and in
Speaker 1: the sixers, Jake Kid with the nets. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: Reggie r Test jack Al, But Jackie before you this
Speaker 1: before you, before I came you. After that, you know,
Speaker 1: the team struggling, Danny Ainge takes over and it's a
Speaker 1: whole new day. Yeah. Man, We went to the Eastern
Speaker 1: Conference Finals and then Danny ain't come in like the
Speaker 1: next year training antwine. I'm thinking we are on our way.
Speaker 1: People don't even know. People think Paul Pierce is just
Speaker 1: started playing in the playoffs. Like I had some big
Speaker 1: playoff games shown, but like that the social media I
Speaker 1: don't even know about. You know, I ended up licking
Speaker 1: a closeout game where I was had forty six and
Speaker 1: now one had some big games versus Indiana turns uh
Speaker 1: series verse. Then yeah, I played. I played against you
Speaker 1: in the playoffs two years. I think you hit it
Speaker 1: on the head though, because it's pre social media. To me,
Speaker 1: you're like one of the top five greatest closer, clutch,
Speaker 1: motherfucking players of all like you embraced give me the
Speaker 1: ball at the end, and I'm gonna make this motherfucking
Speaker 1: shot while if it's the biggest game, I'm gonna drop
Speaker 1: for like that's what you were known for to people
Speaker 1: who really do who how many players got a play
Speaker 1: that he had his own plate? Oh yeah, cut down
Speaker 1: the middle, No, no, no, from the side, no cut
Speaker 1: When I come from the side, starts on the other side,
Speaker 1: and he comes across the screen, you come to the
Speaker 1: other post and yeah, yeah, that was I know. No,
Speaker 1: you're talking about the live play over the top. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: that play, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah An Twine started that.
Speaker 1: Though we had that, we didn't talk about Twine too,
Speaker 1: because people forget how cold Twine said the other day,
Speaker 1: if he played today, he'd be making three hundred million.
Speaker 1: And I don't doubt that. I do not doubt that
Speaker 1: at all. He was like one of the original stretch
Speaker 1: forward with handles problems. Was a problem employee number, he
Speaker 1: was a problem, was tough, Yeah, he was a problem dog.
Speaker 1: People get, we get you have some problems. Though. That
Speaker 1: was in the end when I came back from the
Speaker 1: bra from your vacation. Yeah, I had next game vacation.
Speaker 1: You was one of the most underrated. I say, that's
Speaker 1: a position. I'm like, damn jockers all here. You know
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He got jumper. I remember,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna look Jack don't know this, but I'll
Speaker 1: never forget this game. Playing against Jack in San Antonio.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you had that night, but
Speaker 1: I know you hit the clutch three over me. It
Speaker 1: was like late and then them shots. I don't forget
Speaker 1: you hit a three and it was on the it
Speaker 1: was on if I'm facing you, he was on the
Speaker 1: left wing, which would be your right wing. I'll never
Speaker 1: forget this if you go back and look at the tape,
Speaker 1: I don't forget this. You hit a three that was
Speaker 1: so backbreaking. We was and I didn't want to San
Speaker 1: Antonio ever at this point. And this is the closest
Speaker 1: we come, like I lost ten straight years. We never
Speaker 1: we didn't went for ten straight years. And this was
Speaker 1: a close game. We had it and he had a
Speaker 1: big three. You know, it's like damn, but he was
Speaker 1: smoothing as they get though. It was smoothing have battles.
Speaker 1: We all three that I would there. I wish I
Speaker 1: would have been there the year you was talking to
Speaker 1: all and drained and as you after you whispered like
Speaker 1: thirty sweet nothings to him. Look, I'm gonna go this
Speaker 1: way and I'm gonna pull up and we're gonna get
Speaker 1: up out and telling them what you're about to do. Man.
Speaker 1: I see. That's when the league was real, like come on, man,
Speaker 1: like you don't see that no more? I don't see that.
Speaker 1: Why don't everybody helping each other up? Now? Our tests
Speaker 1: tried to switch out and out didn't let him. Oh man,
Speaker 1: I don't see that no more like the competition dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, oh man, that's I love that when you're
Speaker 1: seeing Ai talking ship to kobe Yea like they don't.
Speaker 1: We don't no more good to see James Joanna is
Speaker 1: talking to the paper like that. Yeah, I like that,
Speaker 1: Like two guys. That's like that, Like I say, West Westbrook,
Speaker 1: nobody out there. I love it too. He ain't got
Speaker 1: no friends. He ain't got no friends. See that's the
Speaker 1: That's how I was. I don't have no week. Like
Speaker 1: as cool as we all knew each other, we didn't
Speaker 1: play it against we cool after right, it ain't personal, Jack,
Speaker 1: and that personal bad to me either, Like that ain't personally.
Speaker 1: We're gonna you're gonna vote me. I'm gonna vote you
Speaker 1: after the game. Good family, all right? Because me playing
Speaker 1: against you was different because I actually studied you, like
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of your game I put
Speaker 1: in my game, especially in the post like you had
Speaker 1: the best footwork ever as a guard, especially post up,
Speaker 1: like we all talked like we always talked about that.
Speaker 1: So I used to try to figure that out because
Speaker 1: it wasn't full file dribbles with you. It's one dribble
Speaker 1: and you had the basket. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You took advantage of your steps. So like we gotta
Speaker 1: get your praise too, because you you are definitely the
Speaker 1: probably started the post game for us in our era,
Speaker 1: and all guards started posting up after that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I just studied the game. Man. I always try
Speaker 1: to get better, you know what I'm saying. I knew
Speaker 1: I wasn't the most athletic out there, so I had
Speaker 1: to find ways. I knew how to jump or I
Speaker 1: could set up other things, and you know, just working, uh,
Speaker 1: just constantly working on the craft. Man at your pace.
Speaker 1: To you was always at your pace. Didn't want nobody
Speaker 1: to heard me. You knew what I was strong, so
Speaker 1: I could give a shoulder. If I didn't get by you,
Speaker 1: I could just give you that shoulder to get space.
Speaker 1: And so I really like studied the game and just
Speaker 1: learned what my strips wasn't played within that after them
Speaker 1: still dunking on my too, because people didn't know I have.
Speaker 1: People didn't know a little bit. I got somebodies. I
Speaker 1: got somebody. People don't know that I got somebody's Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a chance to play for Doc. Great motivator,
Speaker 1: mental preparations, very big with him, tough to what what
Speaker 1: you felt like he brought to your team. Man, Doc
Speaker 1: was somebody we all respected because he played the game
Speaker 1: off to off the top. You know, before I didn't
Speaker 1: play with the coach that that play. So it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, Doc understood the players, and you respected Dot
Speaker 1: and he's gonna keep it real with you. We bumped heads, people.
Speaker 1: We bumped heads though when we first got there, me
Speaker 1: and Doc got the same as that birthday heads I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. We're arguing, we had time outs, we ain't
Speaker 1: seeing eye to eye, so it took a It took
Speaker 1: a while for us to like we went from this
Speaker 1: to to really get to this, you know. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't always smooth. We we clashed a lot, but at
Speaker 1: the end it was it was worth it because Doc
Speaker 1: turned me into the player that I ended up being.
Speaker 1: And um, you know I was defining that first want
Speaker 1: to do it my way, but he really taught me
Speaker 1: the game. I heard. He was someone who, like you said,
Speaker 1: you bump him, but he was someone who's really meant you.
Speaker 1: Like he said, he shaped you, but he mentally challenged you.
Speaker 1: As well, like talking about a little bit from that aspect,
Speaker 1: as far as like I said, being a former player
Speaker 1: but knowing how to get the best out of you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, Doctor knows a motivator. He definitely challenged you.
Speaker 1: Day to day. Doctor fights you. I'm telling you. That's
Speaker 1: that's what I always tell people, Like I try to
Speaker 1: explain to him, like this is a difference why people
Speaker 1: respect certain coaches that play more than respect somebody's coaching
Speaker 1: that haven't played, because you know, any situation in the game,
Speaker 1: whether some bullshit or whether it's anything, they didn't been
Speaker 1: through it. So if you go to them, you're getting
Speaker 1: the honest opinion. Somebody that's been there and experience is
Speaker 1: always the best teacher, without a doubt. I mean, Doc
Speaker 1: definitely we had our arguments, and uh that's what pushed
Speaker 1: my button though, because he was real with you. He'll
Speaker 1: let you know when you ain't you ain't playing to
Speaker 1: your potential and taking days off or who you posted
Speaker 1: like Pete, what do you You know? He taught me
Speaker 1: to be a real leader, you know, to do it
Speaker 1: every night and practice and starting practice. You know, they
Speaker 1: carrying the game. And you know he was able to
Speaker 1: teach me that because I was frustrated at first, man,
Speaker 1: like playing on so many bad teams. Oh man, I saw.
Speaker 1: I was like, people don't know I was almost out
Speaker 1: of bos tell me about that. I'm telling you. I
Speaker 1: was having me. I was having meetings with the ownership, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the same working this a year before we
Speaker 1: got KG. You know this a year Kevin Durant wasn't cold.
Speaker 1: I was like, we losing. We lost eighteen in a row. Someone,
Speaker 1: We're weak. You know I'm in my prime, right, but
Speaker 1: straight up we're weak. I'm like, I'm in my prime
Speaker 1: and then we're losing. We're not getting to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: You know. I was like, man, y'all should trade me
Speaker 1: traft Kevin Durrant, tank the year and build on out.
Speaker 1: So I thought I was I was really trying to
Speaker 1: get the Dallas So people don't even know I was
Speaker 1: trying to get the Dallas dirt because they just they
Speaker 1: got upset. Yeah, y'all popped up and I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I give him. I'll give him. Yeah, that team. I
Speaker 1: was like, I would have been a team to help
Speaker 1: him get over the top. That was a good reason
Speaker 1: for me to like, oh I can help that team.
Speaker 1: They need you. Yeah. I was like, if I could
Speaker 1: get there there, that's like they're gonna win forty games,
Speaker 1: they just need me over there. I felt like I
Speaker 1: had to talk with Cubans like I was trying to
Speaker 1: get that, but they was like, you know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: stick with you. We're gonna we're gonna build this team out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't get the number, gonna pick and the rest history.
Speaker 1: We wind up getting the fifth pig train for Ray,
Speaker 1: then traded for KG. Now we aren't one of years
Speaker 1: how things can just turn around? So how many games
Speaker 1: did you guys win the year before? Man? I think
Speaker 1: we only won like games mans the next then win
Speaker 1: the championship the next ship. That's how quick change. Straight
Speaker 1: up it changed overnight. Talked us about that and with
Speaker 1: that team dynamic and chemistry and how it all came together.
Speaker 1: You guys are really the first Big Three. Although it happened,
Speaker 1: it happened through trade. Happen you say a lot of
Speaker 1: people think we orchestrated this three. I mean, Danny Ainge
Speaker 1: got it through trade. You know, now everybody going to
Speaker 1: play with one another. Ours was done organic straight up? Uh.
Speaker 1: And so when that when we traded for Ray, I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, we're not rebuilding no more. We're trying
Speaker 1: to do something. I heard we traded for tickets. We
Speaker 1: got tickets and thrown under the bus. Don't nobody under
Speaker 1: the bus but Joab Big three to me was you
Speaker 1: Rondo and Kg. I didn't put Ray in y'all Big three,
Speaker 1: go ahead already there. You gotta respect as much as
Speaker 1: as much as you know we had be for Ray.
Speaker 1: Weren't you got you're talking about personality, I mean the personality.
Speaker 1: You remember the personality of that team. It was just
Speaker 1: like all Alpha's dog. It was just Rondo, KG, Me, Tony, y'allen,
Speaker 1: per Big Baby, Edny House Dog Leon motherfucker man uh man.
Speaker 1: Our team was dog. Yeah, Like people were scared of us.
Speaker 1: We was out there d n up too. I mean
Speaker 1: that I'll never get those moments because when you play
Speaker 1: so long and we have a chance to play on
Speaker 1: special teams, y'all all been on special teams. They don't
Speaker 1: come around a lot. You could be one of the
Speaker 1: lucky few us to have a stretch, But you know,
Speaker 1: you just appreciate those times you could play with on
Speaker 1: those special teams and you can attest to this, and
Speaker 1: you can't. His family is building. Talk to me a
Speaker 1: little bit about because we were laughing about it on
Speaker 1: set at ESPN maybe a month ago about club Shi
Speaker 1: isn't it? Club isn't shout out the club ship, isn't it?
Speaker 1: That was a spot in my I had a basement
Speaker 1: that was like a club. So, you know, days when
Speaker 1: we didn't have practice, next day, we're like, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: all right, fellers, we're gonna have a good time in
Speaker 1: my house. I'm gonna have a chef come through. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go out. We're gonna meet at my house at
Speaker 1: like two am. We're gonna go to about six am,
Speaker 1: do all the all the guys on the team, and
Speaker 1: you know, we have our girls over and we're going
Speaker 1: from two to six and be like this is this
Speaker 1: is club Shi, isn't it? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be here to to six. You know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a good time right here. We can't get
Speaker 1: no trouble. We're gonna be good right here. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make sure that good and we're gonna go home. And
Speaker 1: the players loved that. Tony Man. Everybody was talking about it. Oh,
Speaker 1: it was a good time for the Feathers. But that's
Speaker 1: how we built our Camarado, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's how we kicked it though. You know I was
Speaker 1: the vest so I'm gonna bringing all the young boys.
Speaker 1: This is how we're gonna kick it. And that that
Speaker 1: brought chemistry. You know, when GP first got the club
Speaker 1: ships and that he was he got traded to Boston,
Speaker 1: he did not want to be a Boston but once
Speaker 1: he went the ships there so so in the midst
Speaker 1: of getting your first finals as an l A kid,
Speaker 1: you were newing the Boston Laker riving way. You and
Speaker 1: Kobe is always going head to head. Now you're doing
Speaker 1: any man, that was that was incredible just to be
Speaker 1: a part of that, you know, just growing up watching
Speaker 1: it and then finally and then being part of it.
Speaker 1: It was just like, you know, this was what got
Speaker 1: me in the hoops, you know, being a Laker fan
Speaker 1: watching the Celtics. I hated the Celtics, and now I'm
Speaker 1: part of the rivalry again. Meeting in the finals and
Speaker 1: to do it twice, that was I was special. You know,
Speaker 1: who have thought a kid from l A playing Boston
Speaker 1: play against the Lakers in the championship and win, and
Speaker 1: then play against them again. Like my only two finals
Speaker 1: was against the Lakers. Did you feel like you had
Speaker 1: to win as a Celtic you had to, like being
Speaker 1: one of the best players played, and about the seth
Speaker 1: uniform you had, like your career can't be writing. Then
Speaker 1: you win one without a doubt, no question. I mean,
Speaker 1: like you gotta understand, Jack, you go to practice every day,
Speaker 1: this is hanging over your head. Damn right, sixteen banners,
Speaker 1: all the numbers. I'm like, dude, look at that pressure.
Speaker 1: I gotta if I want to be one of these cats,
Speaker 1: I gotta put one up here. I mean straight up,
Speaker 1: this is every day. You gotta see this Like oh
Speaker 1: showed white in the stands. I mean, like, I gotta
Speaker 1: live if I to be one of them. I got
Speaker 1: to Yeah, that was enormous pressure, man, But I wanted that.
Speaker 1: I wanted that talk to us too, because I think,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, that's is that the game you
Speaker 1: went off in the game one, you went off in
Speaker 1: the wheelchair and came back with that wrong with it.
Speaker 1: I know where you can go off, get parted off
Speaker 1: pe and come back and draft buckets. I'm sorry up.
Speaker 1: Look I turned it. It was a light spring. I
Speaker 1: go like it was a light spring, but you know,
Speaker 1: I ain't never heard of pop. It heard a pop,
Speaker 1: but it was a like spring. You automatically think the worst.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking the worst. It was like it was like
Speaker 1: heard and I was like like, I was like and
Speaker 1: then I was like, hold on, that would that wheelchair?
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, how did that happen? Look,
Speaker 1: the doctor was like get the wheelchair. Like it wasn't
Speaker 1: like I was like I couldn't walk. It was like,
Speaker 1: I know it looked back because it's way working back.
Speaker 1: They didn't even give me a chance to try to
Speaker 1: get up and put no weights. I'm getting carried out
Speaker 1: in the chair like no, I look at it to it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is super dramatic. I think you should
Speaker 1: have rolled that out there. Just hopped up. But they
Speaker 1: didn't even give me the chance to try to get
Speaker 1: up and put some weight on it. You know, usually
Speaker 1: it was like just pick him up. And so they
Speaker 1: picked me up and I'm like, oh ship, I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: it was like, get the wheelchair. So that wasn't all
Speaker 1: on me. So I was like hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1: When I get back on my hold on, man, let
Speaker 1: me see, let me see how I feel like. They
Speaker 1: put no weight on it yet. You know it's it's hurting.
Speaker 1: So I get up. I put some weight on it.
Speaker 1: So I feel like a little lights brain. So like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. I was just panicking. You realize
Speaker 1: what's the stake too, Yeah, and I'm like, I can't
Speaker 1: go out and not I can't be out of the finals.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, not right now. I'll put some weight
Speaker 1: on it. I'm like, all right, I'm cool, I'm cool.
Speaker 1: I don't give me a knee brace. Gotta put the
Speaker 1: de brace. So they just like went back out there
Speaker 1: like man. I was like, all right, trailing dog. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. This is the finals, it's the lakes.
Speaker 1: This is I was like, come on, not right now,
Speaker 1: this is what my whole life I'm waiting for this moment. Man,
Speaker 1: I could. I had to get that said put the
Speaker 1: knee braces on one out there, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm about to bust the ass. You win in the
Speaker 1: championship and finals, t VP, tell me that and you
Speaker 1: get the final TV man. That was like a dream
Speaker 1: come true. Man, man, straight up, you know you know
Speaker 1: the hours were put in this gym. You know the
Speaker 1: sacrifice we put in into this game, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just to get to that point, like finally ten
Speaker 1: years is in my career. Like people don't know the
Speaker 1: sacrifice to blood I spilled, the the swear and sweated,
Speaker 1: you know, the late hours, to not being around family members,
Speaker 1: missing so so much stuff is because of that. We
Speaker 1: dedicate our whole life to just this. I mean, when
Speaker 1: you retire you look back at it, it's like, Damn,
Speaker 1: I did that game. That's how much we loved it.
Speaker 1: Though it was just like a dream. Oh man. So like,
Speaker 1: I get the trophy, look check this out. Though. I
Speaker 1: fly to l A. We go to Vegas wee party.
Speaker 1: Then I get to l A famous restaurant on sunset Katama.
Speaker 1: I go up there with all my boys. It's like
Speaker 1: about ten fifteen of us. You can't tell me nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm walking around all summer with a wife beater. Wrong,
Speaker 1: I got, I got my trophy in my hand and
Speaker 1: I sat. Then I went outside outside on the pattern
Speaker 1: and sat the trophy right there in front of everybody,
Speaker 1: right in the middle. L A boom, We're gonna kick
Speaker 1: back and eat drink. Man. I must tell you though,
Speaker 1: they hated that so bad. This was on social media.
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle l a one of the hot
Speaker 1: restaurants where everybody kicking at and I put the trophy
Speaker 1: and put the trophy right there on the table and
Speaker 1: sit outside everybody looking. I got my crew and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like what swag was du the roof? Oh, you couldn't
Speaker 1: tell me nothing. You couldn't tell me nothing. Crazy because
Speaker 1: we we when we talked to Kobe that he said
Speaker 1: that was one of the hardest hits in his career,
Speaker 1: losing and that the finals deah. I mean the thing
Speaker 1: about that he got it back. Oh that's the one.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that one he got back from us
Speaker 1: in two thousand ten. Oh man, I know. He said
Speaker 1: that was the sweetest one too. He said I was
Speaker 1: the one the lost, y'all was the toughest, and the
Speaker 1: wind was the sweetest doing it shot yeah, yeah, doing
Speaker 1: it without shock. Oh man, that was he We had
Speaker 1: four all stars, do you know that? Yeah? For all
Speaker 1: he was the only human power. He had two had
Speaker 1: polka song, but he's tough and polka salt Man that
Speaker 1: first finals we ran through Pola. I've seen Kobe obliterate
Speaker 1: Palaga sal the side, like, Bro, you can't let this happen.
Speaker 1: But just just he we're saying, but let me just
Speaker 1: he made you know how crazy if I had to like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was that bad Pal's head. But like you said,
Speaker 1: he made him a lot tougher, he made him, He
Speaker 1: made him a Hall of Fame. Yeah, yeah, he made
Speaker 1: him a Hall of Famer. Kobe just another skilled I
Speaker 1: don't think you could teach dog, but Kobe put some
Speaker 1: of his dog in power. And it's funny that you
Speaker 1: recognize that difference in this game. Second, whatever Poal needed it,
Speaker 1: Kobe with a cust him out in that. Like with
Speaker 1: Kobe didn't around when he came to Man, he did
Speaker 1: not around. Take me back though, because we jumped to
Speaker 1: both the rivalry, but people don't know like Bron couldn't
Speaker 1: get through you. Bron couldn't get through you in the
Speaker 1: Celtics talk about those battles. Battles we had some battles.
Speaker 1: Bron bought the best out of me. Though, when you
Speaker 1: know you're playing against the best, he's gonna bring it
Speaker 1: out of you because if now you're gonna get in Paris.
Speaker 1: And you know, when I watched him today, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: casts A scared of him totally, like he put the
Speaker 1: fair of God in everybody. I'm like, what is going
Speaker 1: on here? No, I wasn't having that. I wanted that.
Speaker 1: I wanted that, I wanted all of that. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guard him today. You're gonna guard me because
Speaker 1: I'm guarding you today, and I'm gonna take it. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to hit me upside of my head
Speaker 1: all night and I'm gonna live with it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know you Bron and all, but so I'm true
Speaker 1: and so man, he really he really elevated my playing.
Speaker 1: I mean I had my career high verse somewhere I
Speaker 1: scored fifty on we both scored. I had fifty. People
Speaker 1: don't know I had fifty on him. He had like
Speaker 1: forty six on me in one regular season game, and um,
Speaker 1: just those playoff battles. Man, he knew I was gonna
Speaker 1: bring it. You know, I know, I know I never
Speaker 1: was at Lebron's level, but I know I can, for
Speaker 1: what one day, I can be at this level moment.
Speaker 1: Maybe not every day, but for that one day when
Speaker 1: we needed I could be there and that's what I
Speaker 1: was able to do. I mean that game seven in
Speaker 1: the conference and in the playoffs go down like one
Speaker 1: of my favorite games. Just how we competed it was.
Speaker 1: It was. I didn't realize it because I remember it
Speaker 1: was like it happened so fast, like the game my
Speaker 1: driller was still going and like people calling me like
Speaker 1: did I just watched this? Like I'm like, what you know?
Speaker 1: But my drilling, I'm not like really how epic it
Speaker 1: was until like down the road and when I look
Speaker 1: at it now, it's like that was a game and
Speaker 1: that really helped solidified kind of like my career to
Speaker 1: put me at the at the next level. Losing losing
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten. You said it hurt, you're talking
Speaker 1: about Kobe winning, But how did that? Thank you? Man?
Speaker 1: The two thousand and ten I'll still not have watched
Speaker 1: that game seven. We were up double figures in that game.
Speaker 1: I still haven't watched it to this day. Still to
Speaker 1: this day, I don't know if I could, like I'm
Speaker 1: like looking like what could have been a second championship
Speaker 1: like that, I don't think I'll ever watched that game.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if any of the other players
Speaker 1: watch it, because it was in our hand too. It
Speaker 1: was in our hand and to beat the Lakers again
Speaker 1: again and the dude on the floor, and that would
Speaker 1: have been like ding I wanted at home. Now that's
Speaker 1: the game we run at the three. Royn was bawling.
Speaker 1: But you know that was my hat off the run
Speaker 1: man straight up, because I was matched up with him.
Speaker 1: He he, He came to play that game, but it
Speaker 1: was to take the lesser of two evil. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean we all, do we let Ron shoot or
Speaker 1: do we try to crowd Kobe? Yeah, everybody's got It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be helping off him because we're gonna try
Speaker 1: to stop him, and the hats off of him. He
Speaker 1: knocked down some big shots for them. I should have
Speaker 1: been in the fan programs to cloud Kobe. Everybody in
Speaker 1: the arena crowd. It's like, so as he grabbed the ball,
Speaker 1: my eyes is on him. I'm like, I don't care
Speaker 1: who this is. Scobe right here. So Bron goes to
Speaker 1: Miami because we sent them there, Yeah, we sent them there.
Speaker 1: He couldn't get past the big three class. Yeah, go ahead,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to find you got to invent your
Speaker 1: own VIG three. Now. So they go and do that.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that because that was some battles too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when they did that, I ain't gonna lie. That was
Speaker 1: like world breaking news. That was changing the landscape of
Speaker 1: the game. I think everybody said when they said Lebron,
Speaker 1: Wade and Bosh was on the one team. I was like,
Speaker 1: what that you talked about our big three was cool?
Speaker 1: I was like, man, ain't nobody gonna beat them? Like
Speaker 1: I said that I said that. I was like when
Speaker 1: I saw them, I was like, they're doing something different.
Speaker 1: This is different. This is the next coming to like
Speaker 1: Jordan and Pipping or something. I was like, I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe that they did that. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: knew our run was over. I was that I was
Speaker 1: over guys bat on the playoffs that year though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we battled, we battled, but we just knew we didn't
Speaker 1: have enough. Man, we thought we could get them. We
Speaker 1: went to games. Uh one year we went to Game
Speaker 1: seven with the Miami He yeah, we we had them
Speaker 1: on the ropes. But then Lebron put up some legendary
Speaker 1: two point game, two point game with four minutes to
Speaker 1: go in the in Miami and it just fell apart.
Speaker 1: Bron took over. That was our last really run, right Yeah.
Speaker 1: We went up three too. We was up three too,
Speaker 1: and then went home for the close out game. Six
Speaker 1: best playoff games ever. I'm gonna say this, I think
Speaker 1: I think that was one of the most defining games
Speaker 1: of Lebron's career. Absolutely, he turned the corner of that game.
Speaker 1: It was just like because people was like, is he clutch?
Speaker 1: Is he did as he saw for that? But after
Speaker 1: that game, here's no question, it was no more question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that game right there, it was like he couldn't miss.
Speaker 1: He had everything, he was growing, dunk and everything, and
Speaker 1: they needed it because all the pressure because you thought,
Speaker 1: thinking about it, it was like shore one to three championships.
Speaker 1: Rember that interview, he was like one, you know, it
Speaker 1: was like if he lose that game, oh man, it
Speaker 1: would have been a media nightmare for him. And so
Speaker 1: he put them on his shoulder and that that I
Speaker 1: think that turned him right there, That turned him into
Speaker 1: a base right there. So going, you guys lose to them,
Speaker 1: and then that's kind of the beginning of the end
Speaker 1: of your big three and then you lose a key component.
Speaker 1: And I've heard, you know, we hear from the outside
Speaker 1: looking in how it went down. And he did do this.
Speaker 1: He did like what did and didn't happen when Ray
Speaker 1: Allen left And this is my whole thing with and
Speaker 1: the reason I had a problem with him. Um go one.
Speaker 1: He went to our arrival James Lebron. James was arrival
Speaker 1: of the Celtics, regardless of he was included for Miami,
Speaker 1: and that was were some of the heated matchups and
Speaker 1: it was just like, damn, they just beat us and
Speaker 1: then you're gonna go over there. Two. I was like
Speaker 1: calling them, like you know, they was in the middle
Speaker 1: contract negotiating with them Celtics before he left, and he
Speaker 1: wouldn't answer nobody calling. I'm hearing that he's talking about
Speaker 1: going to so I'm calling him. He's not returning my call.
Speaker 1: I just feel like as a certain respect, as a teammate,
Speaker 1: as a brother, we could have this conversation like if
Speaker 1: you're not I want to hey with us no more.
Speaker 1: At least let us know something like like you know, bro,
Speaker 1: it's a situation. I'm gonna go over here, but they
Speaker 1: just don't say nothing to us, don't talk to us,
Speaker 1: and then get up and go over there. To me,
Speaker 1: I felt that was like a slap in the face
Speaker 1: or disrespect from a brother, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that was my whole beef with them, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know other guys felt the same way. You know,
Speaker 1: And since dand me and him, I've talked to um
Speaker 1: and you know, you get overthing els brothers. You know.
Speaker 1: I don't have no problem with right uh today. I
Speaker 1: don't know the situation with Kevin and Ron don on
Speaker 1: everybody else, but I smooth things over with them. But
Speaker 1: I just thought, initially as a brother, somebody you've been
Speaker 1: through stuff with, you know, our families, our kids as
Speaker 1: all friends, our wives as all friends, and you just
Speaker 1: get up and don't say nothing, and then it's like
Speaker 1: you go to them. I just felt that was disrespectful.
Speaker 1: And that's why if people didn't the story, that's the
Speaker 1: story right there, why me and him have beef. You
Speaker 1: talk about it with KG, y'all, y'all talk about it
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, man, man, we talked about it, and
Speaker 1: you know, some sometimes you know, people make up. Sometimes
Speaker 1: people don't. I don't. That's him. Um, how are you
Speaker 1: gonna deal with it? Different? And you know, I respected
Speaker 1: either way. I mean, you feel a certain way about it.
Speaker 1: Maybe your story is different than my, you know so,
Speaker 1: but that's my story. I've always been someone just kind
Speaker 1: of in the midst of it because I just kind
Speaker 1: of feel like I wasn't supposed to be here to
Speaker 1: the beginning. So I've always been somewhat just a fan
Speaker 1: in taking everything in and respecting your game and respecting
Speaker 1: the great people I got a chance to play with
Speaker 1: and against. But I always thought you would be a
Speaker 1: Celtic for life. Yeah, so we get into and traded
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn with Boston is still to this day people
Speaker 1: don't know benefit he off that trade. Yeah, but talk
Speaker 1: to me about how hard it was to just to
Speaker 1: finally leave Boston. That was a tough field to swallow.
Speaker 1: Leaving Boston, I thought for sure. I always said after
Speaker 1: I won the championship, be into too final, Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I remember tired here. I've been here fifteen years. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay it down another year too, and it here.
Speaker 1: So when you know, Danny talked about the possibility of trade,
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, really, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We've been here all this time, and you know, but
Speaker 1: the fact that he had that talk and didn't that's
Speaker 1: why I respect Danny because it was not didn't wake
Speaker 1: up and I was like, gone, we had a conversation.
Speaker 1: He was just like, we're looking to rebuild. I could
Speaker 1: put you in a situation where you can have another
Speaker 1: shot at it. And we talked about Brooklyn and it
Speaker 1: was just like it wasn't just send us off anywhere,
Speaker 1: because me and KG got traded together and we was like,
Speaker 1: all right, we came to like a little mutual agreement.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, they're looking to rebuild here.
Speaker 1: They were looking at the trade, get some draft picks.
Speaker 1: You know, the run is over. I could sent y'all
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn, Darren Williams, Joe Johnson, y'all. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I sound all right, don't give us a shot. I
Speaker 1: guess you know, at this age, I'm older, get to
Speaker 1: go to New York. You know, at least I got
Speaker 1: cab with me, and so, you know, as much as
Speaker 1: a stunt, and it was a tough pill to swallow,
Speaker 1: it was like, all right, we cancel mutual agreement, and
Speaker 1: I'm glad we can have this conversation. That's me and Danny,
Speaker 1: you know, that's all we ask. Yeah, it's so loyal
Speaker 1: to a franchise, so long conversation. I couldn't imagine a situation.
Speaker 1: But I think, and you know, people get lost in
Speaker 1: the mixed while players leave and they're doing it's such
Speaker 1: a business. But when we do something on our side,
Speaker 1: it's it's fucked up. But all we asked this communication
Speaker 1: and let us know where we're staying. Yeah, exactly, exactly,
Speaker 1: that's all. And that's why I can forever respect him
Speaker 1: for that. And because it don't happen all the time.
Speaker 1: You look up now you look up on Twitter or
Speaker 1: Instagram and you trade it like when you even get
Speaker 1: a call. Danny, Danny Angels, all of them. They didn't
Speaker 1: have no picks when he was with Phoenix that they
Speaker 1: traded for Steve Nash. They had one pick, the second
Speaker 1: to last pick in the staff set in the second
Speaker 1: round in the draft, and they picked me. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. It ain't so I ever speak out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So Brooklyn, you guys go there, like you said, with
Speaker 1: Joe Johnson still one of the most underrated players in
Speaker 1: the game. But it's my ass in the Big Three
Speaker 1: Championship last year, shout out so Joe and then Darren Williams,
Speaker 1: you know, at one time was the best point guard
Speaker 1: in the game. So you're adding two solid hollet Foods.
Speaker 1: Youre fall of famer. Vets going to Brooklyn. Talk about
Speaker 1: your your brief time in Brooklyn. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: started off rocky because we was we was garbage at first.
Speaker 1: We were we couldn't win. I remember, you know j Kid,
Speaker 1: this is his first time coach and he the coach man.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this story. On Christmas, we're playing the Bulls.
Speaker 1: They blow us out on national television. Man Jake Kid
Speaker 1: coming there, he yelling, he yelling at us, and I
Speaker 1: know KG caught up and guy and Jakid faced dog.
Speaker 1: I thought he was about the whoop ja kids. Straight up.
Speaker 1: I was like, I went up in his space. I
Speaker 1: ain't no who had his towel on, Like he had
Speaker 1: his towel on, like about to get in the shower
Speaker 1: in front of everybody, and then just walked off to
Speaker 1: the shower. I swear from that point on it turned
Speaker 1: our season around. Like KT cares so much, dog. I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't just randomly getting them at Jkid and face
Speaker 1: J Kid. You know, KG have the point in his
Speaker 1: career like, don't yeah at me like this years Yeah,
Speaker 1: they they played Olympics together. They you know, here like that,
Speaker 1: all right, But I swear from that time, from that
Speaker 1: point it turned our season around too. kJ just let
Speaker 1: the fire under j under us and we just started
Speaker 1: bawling after that. But he got I thought, he's I
Speaker 1: thought this was gonna be the trail speedwell apart two.
Speaker 1: I thought, like, straight up, straight up, I was scared.
Speaker 1: I was scared for I can't see that with J
Speaker 1: Kid personality, KG person I couldn't. I couldn't see them
Speaker 1: going to blows in the locker rooms. Lose it, Dog,
Speaker 1: you don't want to be around right Oh yeah, motherfucking
Speaker 1: the housing are from freek fighting. You gotta watch from
Speaker 1: across the road, man, take it ain't either, straight up area.
Speaker 1: So ship. Now, so you face Miami in the playoffs
Speaker 1: again again, dude, and with Brooklyn. You know, the thing
Speaker 1: is crazy, thing is we beat them four times that
Speaker 1: year in the regular season. We beat him, so I'm
Speaker 1: thinking we we got a shot, you know, regular season
Speaker 1: and playoffs to That's what I'll be trying to temple
Speaker 1: for all this regular season that we're watching, don't matter.
Speaker 1: The playoffs come, taking lots of a whole different time.
Speaker 1: I thought we was gonna get him, but it was
Speaker 1: too much for us. Lebron was in this prime. He
Speaker 1: was priming. He was priming. This is the best you know,
Speaker 1: he's still priming actually at talking. I mean, I've never
Speaker 1: seen somebody in the prime this. No, he started since
Speaker 1: his fourth year. He was prime, right, the ultimate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and just couldn't get over once he moved to Amy,
Speaker 1: I couldn't get over to le Bron hump no more.
Speaker 1: And so that was that was tough. So then you
Speaker 1: moved to Washington, and I heard you talk about this before.
Speaker 1: This is kind of like you said, you know, this
Speaker 1: is your You're heading towards the ends, and now you're
Speaker 1: mentoring some really young talented players but still having your moments,
Speaker 1: I mean, knocking down big shots, calling game. Washington was
Speaker 1: one of the funniest. That was years stretch I ever
Speaker 1: had just now put into a road to where I'm gee,
Speaker 1: I got two young stars, you know, yeah, I can
Speaker 1: just like kind of mom them get their mind right,
Speaker 1: you know, see them develop every day, show them how
Speaker 1: to do it. You know, I ain't come over there
Speaker 1: like I went over there, like, look, man, John Brad,
Speaker 1: this is y'all team. I'm over here just to help.
Speaker 1: This is y'all team. I had my day where I
Speaker 1: was this is y'all ship, and I want you all
Speaker 1: to know that I'm not coming over here for that.
Speaker 1: I'm here to help y'all. Yeah, they need to hear
Speaker 1: that need, especially from the Hall of Fame. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: need to hear that. That's like one of the first
Speaker 1: conversations I had when I'm just here to help. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna work every day. I'm gonna give y'all my experience
Speaker 1: and mentor y'all. This is how y'all need to work.
Speaker 1: Maybe days they come in like, no, y'all need to
Speaker 1: get on the court, you know, like come on, like dude,
Speaker 1: y'all need to go a little harder. Y'all. The leaders,
Speaker 1: y'all ain't going hard enough. And like when people heard
Speaker 1: me say that to them, like coaches and other teammates,
Speaker 1: it was like nobody had ever went at them a
Speaker 1: lot of time. You can't. It's a crazy world, like
Speaker 1: you got to be the way you talk to stars
Speaker 1: so for you to be able to come in there,
Speaker 1: and they needed to hear it too. Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: probably shocked a lot of people. I don't think they've
Speaker 1: just been around a lot of guys they really respected,
Speaker 1: And I knew I got the respect because of how
Speaker 1: I came to approached every day. They're like, damn the
Speaker 1: o G. He comeing to practice every day, he ain't
Speaker 1: taking no days off. He here early, he gets shots up,
Speaker 1: he lifted, and so they're starting to see that. Now
Speaker 1: they're starting to do it. And that's what I wanted
Speaker 1: to bring. But that that that year was so much fun,
Speaker 1: especially in the playoffs. Oh man, you know, I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna put up big numbers no more. It was them
Speaker 1: days was over, so you know, yeah, so I was
Speaker 1: that guy that could help him down the stretch. Did
Speaker 1: you call Glass? You know? I called game? Oh man,
Speaker 1: I want to say a little bit more after that,
Speaker 1: and I just walked off from the interview. Was like
Speaker 1: that was classic. I was like, but like, how are
Speaker 1: you going? Like this's my thing? How are you gonna
Speaker 1: trying to take my bones? Like? Did I called Glass?
Speaker 1: Like the game? Game? Come on talking about all right,
Speaker 1: straight from the head, I had to think of something
Speaker 1: like that. It was just a little stink this almost
Speaker 1: low key real quick yeah yeah, motherfuck nerve, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's exactly what I'm thinking, Like, you know, you
Speaker 1: know all it was missing. I called game, but I
Speaker 1: was I was like when I said, I was kind
Speaker 1: of mad at it, like called gang really like and
Speaker 1: I'm like, and I'm off this interview. Talk to us
Speaker 1: about where that Where did that clutch DNA come from?
Speaker 1: I think it comes from just not caring about feeling,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I was like, if I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: the play or not, I'm gonna hold my hair hot
Speaker 1: right through the next one. Like so I get the
Speaker 1: next one, fellas. But I had to install that in
Speaker 1: my teammates too, because like if you're in them situations
Speaker 1: and you let your teammates down and then you you
Speaker 1: kind of like corr up and they they're not lost them,
Speaker 1: you lose them. So like when I was in these moments,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of moments I didn't come through,
Speaker 1: but I'll be like, I'm sorry, I'm the next one.
Speaker 1: I got the next one I had that I had
Speaker 1: don't worry. I'm gonna get the next one. You gotta
Speaker 1: keep them gassed, like, Okay, we believe in p We're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna go to him. And then when I'm
Speaker 1: at that time, I come this way, come this way.
Speaker 1: You gotta show your team confidence in them situations. Whether
Speaker 1: you fail or you succeed, you gotta still show that later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go down and I'm gonna take it from
Speaker 1: the media after like all right, yeah, okay, next time,
Speaker 1: don't worry, it's gonna come. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But if I'll be like, man, I'll let everybody down,
Speaker 1: ain't nobody following that right talk. So you're heading home now,
Speaker 1: final year, come back and play with the team you
Speaker 1: possibly thought you could have been the number one pick two? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and what was it your seventeen for you? Year seventeen?
Speaker 1: Year yeah, year eighteen. I come into the Clippers. So
Speaker 1: that was like just a a move, like all right,
Speaker 1: I'm coming home my rooms, doctors. Here's make the easy
Speaker 1: transition into retirement. I know I'm gonna live in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: That's where you know, I'm from my family, And so
Speaker 1: I was like I decided to make the move. You know,
Speaker 1: at that point, I don't know. I didn't have much
Speaker 1: left in the tank, so you know, I was just
Speaker 1: pretty much. I just was pretty much at the Country Club. Man. Truthfully,
Speaker 1: I come there and help the young guys. I'll go
Speaker 1: home be a mentor. You know. I didn't really play
Speaker 1: a live but I was ready. My mentor was ready
Speaker 1: for retirement. And towards the end, I was like, how
Speaker 1: my how can I just helped doctor, you know, play sparingly.
Speaker 1: But that had a real magical moment though at the Garden,
Speaker 1: your last time at the Garden. Talk to us about that, man,
Speaker 1: the way I could. I was watching the game and
Speaker 1: to see you come in and hit these motherfuckering shots,
Speaker 1: I'm just like that. Yeah, my last game at the
Speaker 1: Boston Garden. That was special. It was like, damn, you know,
Speaker 1: when you retirement and I see it coming, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is it. You know, this is the last time
Speaker 1: I'm gonna step on this garden floor. You know, it's like, damn,
Speaker 1: it's really it. You know, this is really it. You know,
Speaker 1: I played all these years and I'm like, damn. So
Speaker 1: I had a chance to come in the last second,
Speaker 1: and man, when I look at my career, I'd be like, somehow,
Speaker 1: how did this keep having it? Like? You know, damn,
Speaker 1: you know. I hear my last shot at the end
Speaker 1: of the game in Boston Garden just then just wave
Speaker 1: him off. It was like, damn, it was supposed to happen. Cow,
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to happen. Let me come in and knock
Speaker 1: one last shot. That's pressure. I was sitting the whole
Speaker 1: game and I come in like the last minute and
Speaker 1: it just stiff his head on. Stiff is held entire game,
Speaker 1: so you ain't touched the ball on. Yeah, I'm stiff
Speaker 1: as ill. But just you know, sometimes moments happen for
Speaker 1: a reason. I was putting the special moments where I
Speaker 1: could have knocked down one last shot in the guard
Speaker 1: Who was the owner when you got drafted for when
Speaker 1: you wanted to get We're supposed to get drafted to
Speaker 1: the Clippers. Who was on the Clippers then Donald Sterling.
Speaker 1: So it's good it didn't happen. It's good it didn't happen. Right,
Speaker 1: I got just high post jobs. I just thought about that.
Speaker 1: You don't want to go to anyway, Funny. I care
Speaker 1: from California man Inglewood to to to be exact, and
Speaker 1: then to go into a city of Boston for so
Speaker 1: much history, but then the history of racism, and you're
Speaker 1: here and you're kind of just like, but you're here now.
Speaker 1: And then when it's all said and done, you got
Speaker 1: your number up in the rafts the birds. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so are back. Talk to me about that. You know,
Speaker 1: I never could have dreamed that one. You know, the
Speaker 1: dream was like hard, I don't want to grow, I
Speaker 1: want to play for the makers. I want to win
Speaker 1: the championship on I never would to drink that one.
Speaker 1: The Celtics. Yeah, you know that one was like the
Speaker 1: fathers of my dream, Like, I'm gonna be a Boston
Speaker 1: Celtics when the championship. Get my number retired in the
Speaker 1: Boston Guard from a care from l A. Who would
Speaker 1: have thought that? And I remember at my um and
Speaker 1: my retirement speech today the night and went up. I
Speaker 1: just remember saying like, man, it's so much history in
Speaker 1: this building and for me to be a part of it.
Speaker 1: I was like, if I never make the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: for me to get my number retired in Boston, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's all I that's all I ever need to be
Speaker 1: up there with them legend. You know that that's crazy.
Speaker 1: When did you finally just kind of sit back and
Speaker 1: look because I don't I don't know. I didn't never
Speaker 1: do it until now, Like, when did you finally kind
Speaker 1: of sit back like god damn and just look at
Speaker 1: your soon to be all the fame career. Now I
Speaker 1: still do it, right, three years in the retirement, I
Speaker 1: still look back and like, man, I played nineteen years
Speaker 1: like it weren't. Man, I still look back like this
Speaker 1: is like, I guess you're right, because when youre in
Speaker 1: the middle of it, you're just in the middle of
Speaker 1: it the moment. So now, you know, sometimes I catch
Speaker 1: myself like, you know, let me look at some YouTube
Speaker 1: and me let me see if I could have played
Speaker 1: in this era. And I'll be like, oh, yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, you catch yourself watch some of the old highlights. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, you're someone And I said, I think
Speaker 1: Mellow gets this treatment to like, but I think more
Speaker 1: you because there was really no social media when you
Speaker 1: were when the truth started, like you get overlooked and
Speaker 1: disrespected as as someone who was one of the greatest
Speaker 1: small forwards in the history of the game, hands down,
Speaker 1: and people don't understand that and how does how do
Speaker 1: how does that make you feel? Does it? You know?
Speaker 1: It real hoopers like today? You know, yeah, perception is
Speaker 1: reality now. And you know because when a lot of
Speaker 1: people think of my career, they only think of the
Speaker 1: Big Three. They don't think they didn't. They don't see
Speaker 1: the pre they don't see that part of my career.
Speaker 1: They only know the Big Three error with the reason
Speaker 1: why Braun had Yeah, and so like when it's always
Speaker 1: been like that for me. So it goes back to
Speaker 1: draft night. I got drafted number ten, looked I got
Speaker 1: when I was supposed to go number This is nothing
Speaker 1: new for me. That's what Paul Pierce is. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be overlooked, probably under ratied sometime. But I'm fine with that,
Speaker 1: you know what. Real Like you said, real, hope, real,
Speaker 1: No real, real, no real, And that's I'm cool with that.
Speaker 1: I'm cool with that. That's all that matters. We all
Speaker 1: been through a lot. Is there anything that you that
Speaker 1: you would go and change that you wish you can
Speaker 1: go back and change um on your career? You know what?
Speaker 1: I think we all go through things and all go
Speaker 1: through struggles for a re and you know, even from
Speaker 1: me being stabbed in the nightclub. Um, So I don't
Speaker 1: know if that. I don't think there's anything I would
Speaker 1: change my story because I think it kind of mode
Speaker 1: you to who you make you know, through the good
Speaker 1: through the bad. Um, it just emoes you, man. And
Speaker 1: you know, now I can go back and tell my
Speaker 1: kids good stuff, the bad stuff, tell them who their dad,
Speaker 1: you know, was, And I'm proud of it. Man. So
Speaker 1: you know, I'm proud that certain things happened in my
Speaker 1: life that I was able to get through and and
Speaker 1: shape you. You know, it just tells you who you're
Speaker 1: gonna be your character, you know. So I'm happy. I'm
Speaker 1: happy with it all. Talk to me with real quick,
Speaker 1: what do you think would have happened if you would
Speaker 1: have got Ray and KG three or four years before?
Speaker 1: We talked about that, man, Me and Kevin Dude, we
Speaker 1: talked about that. Man. I remember he was in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: We at the end of the year, we're competing against
Speaker 1: each other like it's some playoffs. This is like the
Speaker 1: in the last games of the year wasn't very good
Speaker 1: and he wasn't going to playoffs Minnesota. I wasn't going
Speaker 1: to playoffs. So we're talking ship to each other, and
Speaker 1: I remember looking it was two thousand and five, I
Speaker 1: believe two thousand and six. I remember we're talking and
Speaker 1: our with our owners sitting on the baseline. I'm at
Speaker 1: the free throw like this, KG is at the free
Speaker 1: throw line. I looked right at him and I was like,
Speaker 1: if we get him, we're gonna win the championship. During
Speaker 1: the game. This in the middle of the game. This,
Speaker 1: I'm at the free throw line. You know about the
Speaker 1: box out owners sitting right there. This is how closer
Speaker 1: is on the baseline. K the freest said we get him,
Speaker 1: we're gonna win the championship. That was three years before
Speaker 1: we got him. Yelled it out. Everybody heard it. So
Speaker 1: everybody heard that what's up and didn't wind up happening.
Speaker 1: I wish it could have happened sooner, right right, imagine
Speaker 1: that three four championships, possibly because you end up playing
Speaker 1: with him in high school and winning the championship with
Speaker 1: him that it was as all meant to be talking
Speaker 1: about him, But we had him. We were lucky enough
Speaker 1: to have him on the show, and that's the first
Speaker 1: time I really got a chance to feel his energy
Speaker 1: off the court. Oh man, and it's it's it's it's similar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the energy, like you just feel his energy all
Speaker 1: day long. People gravitate towards Kevin. So like we play
Speaker 1: on playing rights. This is Kevin first getting on the team.
Speaker 1: So I remember we've been on playing rides and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I had my little headphones on. I'm sitting
Speaker 1: and you know, flying and then I look over he
Speaker 1: at the table, you know, how to plant the flights
Speaker 1: we had they had some of them had card tables.
Speaker 1: We played cards. So I look over Kg's sitting there
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at like five six of the young
Speaker 1: guys sitting around him like a campfire, just like they
Speaker 1: gravitated toward them like that's and he just telling them
Speaker 1: stories and stuff and stories. Yeah, And I'm like, damn, so,
Speaker 1: you know, after playing with him for like three fot
Speaker 1: five years, I'm hearing the same stories over over the side,
Speaker 1: the stories cats, and I'm like, he put a little
Speaker 1: more gas on it this time. But that's why people
Speaker 1: just gravitated to it. I was like, many he told
Speaker 1: me the story. He didn't do that the last time.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it was it was those But that's just
Speaker 1: showing his energy. How people just gravitated towards them. I
Speaker 1: mean we're sit in the locker room next thing, I know,
Speaker 1: after practice, we're here for like two hours just listening
Speaker 1: the cabin, chopping it up, like you don't even realize
Speaker 1: the time going by. Those are the moments you missed
Speaker 1: though when you're done. Like I don't miss basketball, I
Speaker 1: mean I haven't missed it, but you missed those times
Speaker 1: when you're just fucking with your people. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's just what it is, just a good the thing
Speaker 1: about it too. And yeah, off the course, yeah, bus ride,
Speaker 1: playing ride, and then we all go through the same stuff.
Speaker 1: We understand you've got some of that sitting we all
Speaker 1: brought us like just like before we outside, we're talking
Speaker 1: about all the same stuff we go through off the court.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Very similar, very similar. So
Speaker 1: you're transitioning into media and we'll get to the ESPN
Speaker 1: and what you're doing. But you got in the beef
Speaker 1: with way and this kind of goes to the social
Speaker 1: media era of people are not understanding who you are.
Speaker 1: And then you know Dwayne being uh you know, and
Speaker 1: all his greatness. But talk to us a little bit
Speaker 1: about how that kind of got going what happened? You know,
Speaker 1: I think that was like really a big misunderstanding because
Speaker 1: like I respect Wave the way we knew that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like for me as a competitor, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it was taken out of contest. Now, two questions
Speaker 1: was asked, were you better than Wade? Or do you
Speaker 1: have a better career? What you're supposed to say? You know,
Speaker 1: I was like, I think I'm better. You know, clearly
Speaker 1: if you look at his accolades career wise, Yes, he
Speaker 1: won three championships. Yes, he's one of the greatest two guards.
Speaker 1: Uh all Star MVP finals, MVP, you want the greatest
Speaker 1: finals ever. But I'm looking at it, like, do I
Speaker 1: think I'm a better player the way I said? Yes,
Speaker 1: I think I thought I had. I think I have
Speaker 1: more skill, I think I'm taller, I think I could
Speaker 1: do everything he can do. On both fans. Now, that's
Speaker 1: what I was referring to. Now, whether you agree with
Speaker 1: it or you don't, that's who Even if you say
Speaker 1: that that's not but like it doesn't disrespect him, doesn't.
Speaker 1: And that's what I hate. How the media wants to
Speaker 1: spend ship and make it like a war when it's
Speaker 1: just when you really in depth, get to explain just
Speaker 1: where you're coming from. I don't have to demean him
Speaker 1: to be confident in myself and exactly, it wasn't me
Speaker 1: putting him down, like I respect way, I spect everything
Speaker 1: he's done for the game of basketball. This is not
Speaker 1: me putting him down. This is just like how I
Speaker 1: felt when we won the championship. I went to a
Speaker 1: camp in Spain and it was like, um, how does
Speaker 1: it feel to Plague to beat the best player in
Speaker 1: the world. And I was like, wait, I'm the best
Speaker 1: player in the world, like this is what I said.
Speaker 1: And they made a big deal of it, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, you know, I just coming off the championship.
Speaker 1: I'm just coming off the finals MVP. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm the best player in the world. And they blew
Speaker 1: that out of context. But why can I not feel
Speaker 1: like right, you know what I'm saying. Why can't I
Speaker 1: feel like that I got the chip and the trophy
Speaker 1: and the m v P. I'm not supposed to feel
Speaker 1: like that right now? Right, and so whatever, People don't
Speaker 1: take Paul Peers out of context that just whatever did
Speaker 1: you see yourself doing what you're doing now? Did you
Speaker 1: see yourself getting paid good money to to do it. No, man,
Speaker 1: I really didn't, but he see it. But like I
Speaker 1: had a chance to work the Finals while I was
Speaker 1: still playing, and I was like Las Last Girl and
Speaker 1: I was with the Clippers, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: should I do this every day? Like you know, you'd
Speaker 1: be in the locker room talking hoops Like I could
Speaker 1: easily talk hoops. I mean, this is my life. This
Speaker 1: is what I do every day. And so like I
Speaker 1: was like, I could I could do this shoot if
Speaker 1: I could just go on the studio talk some hoops,
Speaker 1: tell them where I feel about this, what I feel
Speaker 1: about that. I feel like I know the game so
Speaker 1: I can speak on it. Uh. And so it was
Speaker 1: just like kind of like it's kind of like broad
Speaker 1: to me. And I was like, you know, I couldn't
Speaker 1: see myself doing this, you know, And uh, it's worked out. Man.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed, Like y'all, y'all still we still talk the game.
Speaker 1: He's still sit around watch it, like the talking straight
Speaker 1: up and now I get paid for it. What's it?
Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on the current climate of the Celtics. Man, Truthfully,
Speaker 1: before the season, I was like, Okay, they're gonna be
Speaker 1: all right. But now the way Jason Tam was playing,
Speaker 1: I feel like they can go to the Vinyl. I mean,
Speaker 1: he has tooking the next step a superstardom. And I
Speaker 1: was like before it's like maybe, like you know, you
Speaker 1: gotta have that star to win, and he's turning into
Speaker 1: that right before our eyes. Like I mean, this run
Speaker 1: is that he's on. I don't see it slowing down anytime.
Speaker 1: When it was like when I was just at the
Speaker 1: I went and watched them play and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's only a third year, and I was like, this
Speaker 1: is his third year. It feels like he's been in
Speaker 1: the league for a minute, right, Like I forget he
Speaker 1: was just a rookie playing against Lebron finals and I
Speaker 1: forget that and I forget I felt like I felt
Speaker 1: like it was his fourth or fifth year, but the
Speaker 1: third year to him doing what he's doing. I feel
Speaker 1: like the Celtist can get to the finals. I really do.
Speaker 1: And I'm always honest about them, Like I didn't think
Speaker 1: it last year. I said, No, I didn't think of
Speaker 1: the year you know before reform. No, No, I like
Speaker 1: them to play, but I'm like, but like, actually, I
Speaker 1: really think they can get to the finals. I mean,
Speaker 1: Milwaukee they're good, but do we like really believe in
Speaker 1: them like that? For us, I mean, yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: get the respect, but it comes in the playoffs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we're you gotta earn that. Like the ain't
Speaker 1: never won nothing like said the regular season and the
Speaker 1: Warriors have the greatest regular season, didn't win that year,
Speaker 1: almost kind of like waters a Day, Like, you gotta
Speaker 1: get it in the playoffs to get that respect. Absolutely
Speaker 1: so Now after Milwaukee, it's like who else you see
Speaker 1: any comparisons with you entitle in his game? I see
Speaker 1: a lot of them. Man, he's smooth stuff. The people
Speaker 1: don't know you you've been doing that. This side step three,
Speaker 1: you don't know you've been doing See if we didn't
Speaker 1: have the social media, Yeah, the flash for all y'all,
Speaker 1: I don't know this new side staff that you'll see
Speaker 1: these trainers teaching these players. I'll been doing that. He's
Speaker 1: been doing that. That was the shot I took on
Speaker 1: our exactly exact shout out. You know a lot of
Speaker 1: bro Bro Bro Marcus Smart. I know you're a big
Speaker 1: fan of him. How well would fit man? Marcus is
Speaker 1: a throwback. He could play in any error in the
Speaker 1: n b A. I mean he fitting the mode, I
Speaker 1: mean tough. I think you need guys like him, and
Speaker 1: you know y'all fit that mode too. You need them
Speaker 1: guys like Stack like you, like Marcus, everybody who loves
Speaker 1: playing with those guys like Poesy. Like you can ask
Speaker 1: any all star, m VP superstar, They're like, who your
Speaker 1: favorite is gonna be that cat right there that's gonna
Speaker 1: get in the trenches and do championship type plays like
Speaker 1: diving on the floor. I mean he want to guard whoever. Like,
Speaker 1: you need them guys to win, Pop and Steve Crazy
Speaker 1: said all the time, it's like an to winn the championship,
Speaker 1: you need a guy like Steve and Jackson need a
Speaker 1: guy like growing our test, need a guy like Tony.
Speaker 1: You gotta have a guy like that because that's gonna
Speaker 1: be the glue guy, you know what I mean. He's
Speaker 1: gonna sacrifice sometimes more than anybody else willing to sacrifice
Speaker 1: on the team to win. Again, they need to have
Speaker 1: a special on this, like straight up huge position that
Speaker 1: this like that's that story. I don't think it's been
Speaker 1: told and you don't get the outside respect to love.
Speaker 1: But like you said, you understanding respect and love you
Speaker 1: players like you understand and respect players like us, and
Speaker 1: we were the games. They don't understand it. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: story definitely gotta get told because I'm the showtime to
Speaker 1: tell them with us. Yeah, but when guys like us
Speaker 1: we hear from you, when we hear from Kobe, that
Speaker 1: means that means a lot to us that we know,
Speaker 1: we under We know we didn't get our props and
Speaker 1: some ship we did that we didn't get it. But
Speaker 1: at the same time we know we could play the game.
Speaker 1: We know we played it. Yeah. Yeah, like like like
Speaker 1: I said, for us, was posy, Posy was the glue.
Speaker 1: Like man, some people like who's James? Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: like who is that? Y'all better look it up? Like
Speaker 1: Blue Guys man that that that story needs to be told. Man,
Speaker 1: I would love to watch that because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of names that people need to recognize on on that.
Speaker 1: What's some of your favorite non Celtic teams? My favorite
Speaker 1: non Celtics team players to watch, players to watch today
Speaker 1: Westbrook for show who not like he's just like he
Speaker 1: don't get no respect. This dude got three straight years
Speaker 1: average in the triple dup, Like, he's not like how
Speaker 1: you don't get in the m v P people get
Speaker 1: it Already's ever gonna do this again with a dubbed though,
Speaker 1: Nobody's ever? That's this is That's almost equivalent to saying
Speaker 1: to Will's hundred, like, I don't think we'll see that, right,
Speaker 1: I don't think that will ever. Nobody average a triple
Speaker 1: double three straight years with thirty. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's not a little it's not hard to probably the
Speaker 1: most disrespected superstars we haven't again without a doubt. I
Speaker 1: mean then they Hall of famers already and they are
Speaker 1: they disrespected, man, I mean that's what you're want to
Speaker 1: watch out for them straight up. Yeah. Thoughts on the
Speaker 1: Battle of l A I love where the NBA is
Speaker 1: right now, especially in l a um bron Y a
Speaker 1: d PG doc. Oh, man, I gotta give that. I
Speaker 1: gotta get an edge two Clippers me too. I Mean,
Speaker 1: I just think they're tougher when it comes down to it.
Speaker 1: They got more tough guys. I'll give them that, but
Speaker 1: all that don't win the game for you all the time.
Speaker 1: But the King's got to be the can, all right,
Speaker 1: So tell me this, Jack, who's the glue guy that
Speaker 1: you need on the Lakers. Who's the glue guy right now?
Speaker 1: I think he got it. He just got inserted. But
Speaker 1: I think he can come into that guy. Morris. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that Mars can be. They don't have him now. I mean,
Speaker 1: they don't don't have that glue guy now, but I
Speaker 1: think Marris can insert Today. They got three four of
Speaker 1: the men for the Clippers, and they added his twin
Speaker 1: brother to the other. How many guys are they gonna
Speaker 1: be able to throw with Lebron in the playoffs? It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of my opinion, is the best
Speaker 1: player in the game. In my opinion, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: nobody that can go out and give you thirty and
Speaker 1: lock you up, really lock you up really like yeah,
Speaker 1: And I just look at it like if anybody had
Speaker 1: to imagine athletic Tim Duncan with Lebron James, you're seeing
Speaker 1: it right now, Anthony. Yeah, I've never seen Lebron with
Speaker 1: the player like that. So that's why my sil I mean,
Speaker 1: I know that's gonna be scary. You have the Clippers
Speaker 1: coming out of the West. You feel like I think
Speaker 1: the Clippers come out of the West. I feel like
Speaker 1: they've got the best player, and he's the most clutch
Speaker 1: player in the league. He definitely cla definitely clutch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got the Clippers out the East. I think it's
Speaker 1: a toss up, man, man. After earlier the year I
Speaker 1: said I'm Milwaukee and I was sticking to it. But
Speaker 1: like now, I think the Celtics would come out there East.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Jason Tatum is different right now. I
Speaker 1: had a chance to watch it firsthand when when he
Speaker 1: played against the Lakers and then he just recently and
Speaker 1: then he just played against Houston. No fear. He different. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm telling y'all, he's different. He can match up. He
Speaker 1: can he can match what Jannice is doing right now.
Speaker 1: I agree. What music do you grow up on? Like,
Speaker 1: what'd you list to? I already know because we grew up.
Speaker 1: I know some of the same ship. But what you
Speaker 1: what you ja? What you're jam growing up growing up
Speaker 1: West coach yea the West Coast. So but it started early.
Speaker 1: It was like early, like forty two or because I
Speaker 1: was born Spice. You know, I grew up on the mall.
Speaker 1: All man, you're bringing it back, you know, you know
Speaker 1: you know. And then you know, when I moved to
Speaker 1: l A, it was all about Snoop Dre Park. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I never tried a chance to me. I saw a
Speaker 1: pop though. Okay, I saw him. I was in college
Speaker 1: and I went down to Freak Nick. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know Atlanta. It was like a holiday spring
Speaker 1: break Atlanta. You know, everybody go out there. And so
Speaker 1: I went out there in college and he was atlanticx
Speaker 1: Mall and so I just saw him walk by and
Speaker 1: I just saw a crowd of people around him. It
Speaker 1: was like just seeing his aura. It was like, man,
Speaker 1: I never met him, but I had a chance to
Speaker 1: like see him like and see him move. It's like
Speaker 1: they're gonna pipe, like they're gonna pop from one artist
Speaker 1: to another. You pen something and you're a big fan
Speaker 1: of Prince and name just yeah, Prince is a legend, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know rest in Peace. That was no. No,
Speaker 1: that's a dark skinning version of people. You know what's
Speaker 1: so funny people guys is dressing like prints. Now, man,
Speaker 1: they killing and they know they're killing me. They dressed
Speaker 1: like friends on one Prince and he was doing this
Speaker 1: thirty years ago. That's crazy. Shout out the pressure. That
Speaker 1: was his wag though he wasn't you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That was just that was just his way. Oh you
Speaker 1: want to do that again? Top five artists all time?
Speaker 1: You know you see we got our top five artists,
Speaker 1: your top five four order, top five all time. Well,
Speaker 1: I got two of them. That's on this wall of
Speaker 1: course for show, Biggie and Tupac. And I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: jay Z in there. Uh man, it's hard not to.
Speaker 1: Just everybody gets stuck after those jay Z. Everybody gets
Speaker 1: stuck right there. All right, I'm gonna go off what
Speaker 1: I used to what I who? I used to just
Speaker 1: always bump all the time. Oh damn, that's that's the
Speaker 1: spine snoop snoop snoop for show. And then that last one.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm gonna have to go some throwback. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say Eric D and Teacher. I used to bump
Speaker 1: him that day was hard Rock Cam. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: Rock Cam. That's nice. We're in a nice space right now.
Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough to battle a little bit with
Speaker 1: Stephen A. Smith on first Take about cannabis and sports. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just someone that's in the business in the States, what
Speaker 1: are your thoughts over all the business of cannabis and
Speaker 1: then athletes the cannabis. I mean, I think the more
Speaker 1: and more people get the knowledge, you know, they're starting
Speaker 1: more accepted because like that's growing up. You look at
Speaker 1: it as a people always look at cannabis as a
Speaker 1: gateway druy to other things, which is not gateway to snacks,
Speaker 1: gateway to that's all right, And I think it's been
Speaker 1: widely accepted. And I'm in the cannabis business, you know,
Speaker 1: I do a wholesale um distributional Western Green Mamba and
Speaker 1: so um. Yeah, so I'm in the I'm in the
Speaker 1: space and uh, you know, I feel like it's there's
Speaker 1: a place for it, and not only in sports, but
Speaker 1: in just life, you know. I mean, the more and
Speaker 1: more you learn about it and learn to help, I
Speaker 1: can help you. Um. You know, right now we're in
Speaker 1: the middle of an opioids crisis and where people are
Speaker 1: like getting addicted and dying. If you have an alternate
Speaker 1: um ways of medications such as cannabis, um, why is
Speaker 1: there a big deal surrounding it? You know, we we
Speaker 1: don't look at alcohol the same way like that when
Speaker 1: we look at really stuff that's really killing you. We
Speaker 1: don't frown upon, but were frowning upon. Cannabis actually helped sorts,
Speaker 1: You got me. You know, hard alcohol sponsors are sponsoring
Speaker 1: professional professional team you know, like you said, mother fucking
Speaker 1: Celtis are smoking cigarettes in the locker room. How many
Speaker 1: people those take down it? You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like the real problems they don't look at. But I
Speaker 1: think because cannabis has been stereotyped as a black drug
Speaker 1: for such a long time that it's really starting to
Speaker 1: people realize that it's not it's no no color. Everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody partakes. And like you said, I think
Speaker 1: the key is the education. Yeah, you gotts educated on
Speaker 1: and then figure it out, you know, snow, big deal
Speaker 1: at all Quick hitters, favorite road crowd to silence New
Speaker 1: York Knicks. Oh man, that was classic. That was classic.
Speaker 1: Maybe more excited than you. I was my mom and
Speaker 1: I was in mom moment, like you know, I hit
Speaker 1: the game winner up and everywhere that picture, that picture
Speaker 1: I got, that's the funniest picture ever. And they jumping
Speaker 1: up and falling on his neck but still jump right
Speaker 1: back up. All time clutch five, all time clutch. Who
Speaker 1: I think is clutch to top five for sure, Jordan's
Speaker 1: for sure, Kobe Um, Larry Bird a bird, I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: Jordan's Bird Magic, gotta throw magic in there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I remember that. You know we still play that hook
Speaker 1: shot he hit in the garden um and last one
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna give it up the d
Speaker 1: way Man, Yeah for sure, Yeah, I'm gonna give it up.
Speaker 1: He up there like that toughest matchup in your career,
Speaker 1: toughest matchup. You know what I didn't say different people
Speaker 1: of a different time, because think about this, I have
Speaker 1: to play again, Vance, Carter, Mellow, Brown, Kobe t Mac Anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just thinking key on so many different ways, and
Speaker 1: I think at some point all of them have giving
Speaker 1: me forty. I've seen a picture allus on there and
Speaker 1: it's a smile of Kobe, and we all remember that
Speaker 1: they had jay La Rose with two mouths because he
Speaker 1: had I mean, but I consistently go back because all
Speaker 1: them guys are hard to guard. But like for me,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Mellow because Mellow made you feel it,
Speaker 1: but like how he made you feel him feel his
Speaker 1: points And what I mean by that is like he
Speaker 1: gonna like use some shoulders all night in your chest.
Speaker 1: He's gonna like he's gonna be physical, more physical than
Speaker 1: all the rest of him with his forty and similar.
Speaker 1: I didn't appreciate that. That's what used to do, but
Speaker 1: like for somebody to do that to you, like to
Speaker 1: appreciate that, you're like, damn like and it's his physicality
Speaker 1: the way he did it, you know, the rest of
Speaker 1: them was more finessed with it for his physicality and
Speaker 1: giving it to you. Oh yeah, I hated that. I
Speaker 1: like hated that, and so I'm gonna give it up
Speaker 1: the mellow on that shout out. Oh man, that's a wrap.
Speaker 1: We want to thank our guess, Paul Pierce. Man, it's
Speaker 1: good to be here. Appreciate for my fan man just
Speaker 1: coming about. I love what you're doing out here. Man,
Speaker 1: straight up, don't we appreciate this begging segment? Yeah, bad man, Paul.
Speaker 1: Have always that Jack begs our guests for something. Jack,
Speaker 1: what you're making for today? Well, since the conversation is
Speaker 1: going on, you got some grass, what kind whatever? Whatever
Speaker 1: your grass it has the highest level of turkeys or
Speaker 1: the taste the best submits some of that. We was
Speaker 1: talking outside. He got a sick collection of Air Force ones.
Speaker 1: You need some wear, so do we. I got you,
Speaker 1: I got your I got you. I got a box
Speaker 1: coming your way. That's a wrap. We'd like to thank
Speaker 1: our guests Paul Pierce for coming through. You can catch
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