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Speaker 1: Mo Monroe. It's wanted for the financial terrorist attack. Black Monday.

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Speaker 1: Black Monday was my idea. It's me was a wall

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Speaker 1: free himself. Moment back baby, welcome back all the smoke.

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Speaker 1: It's been a minimout guy, my brother, how long it's been.

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Speaker 1: It's been a couple of weeks, right, a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: Crazy glad Man. We've got an amazing guest, um l

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Speaker 1: a legend, Boston Celtic legend, NBA champion, Paul Pierce Man,

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Speaker 1: the hardest nickname name every boy. Before we get going,

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Speaker 1: obviously in the midst of something, we were all very

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Speaker 1: close to our brother Kobe Bryant. We want to shout

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Speaker 1: out our man inc one for Kobe, to the mirror Man,

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Speaker 1: incredible mirrors. Crazy, I still don't seem real, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it means a lot to us to have him on

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Speaker 1: our wall, just like he meant. It meant a lot

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Speaker 1: to us when he was here. Um for us, you know,

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Speaker 1: we were we were some guys that really appreciated him

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Speaker 1: while he was here, really admired him. Idle mind, so

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Speaker 1: to have him on his wall, it's only right, bro, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: without the doubt. Man, let's let's just start there. We'll

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Speaker 1: go back, but let's start what what what you and

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Speaker 1: Kobe were going at it for a long time and

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Speaker 1: met up in the finals and and tell me and then,

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Speaker 1: like I said, you being from hearing him representing l

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Speaker 1: you when some of you guys matchups overall? I mean,

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Speaker 1: like truthfully, um, Cole was like one of the few

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Speaker 1: all we all, yeah, like I played mad against everybody

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Speaker 1: but him. We always had like a different type of relationship.

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Speaker 1: I think it was more out of respect to Um.

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Speaker 1: UM was special. I mean it made me who I

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Speaker 1: am pretty much. I mean I got my nickname after

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Speaker 1: versus pretty much and kind of like submitted my legacy

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Speaker 1: playing against him. You know, so he me, he meant

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Speaker 1: so much to me in the basketball world, and just

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Speaker 1: to see him be gone like that. It was just

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Speaker 1: it's like you almost lost a family member or you did,

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Speaker 1: you know, Like I've lost family members, I've lost friends

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Speaker 1: and stuff. But for some reason, this one like hit

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Speaker 1: like one of the hardest hit hitting ones, and he

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Speaker 1: was untouchable. That he's like them untouchable us like think happen.

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Speaker 1: It can't happen, right, and so like it really like

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Speaker 1: even today, man, I'm like just looking at the mirror,

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Speaker 1: like it's like it's hard. It's hard. Man. Rest in

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Speaker 1: peace to our brother cole Man and g G and

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Speaker 1: everyone else in the tragic accident January. But let's get

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Speaker 1: to it, man. A lot of people don't know you

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Speaker 1: from the Bay. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of people don't

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Speaker 1: know I'm from Oakland with Paul, but you Oakland party

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Speaker 1: um we're not looking up at Morningside High School. Class

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Speaker 1: like people don't even know about this, like it was.

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Speaker 1: This was the best basketball team I've ever seen. But

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Speaker 1: I ain't never seen a cat this tall, seven feet

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Speaker 1: We got all the top players, shake Cotton alluding me man,

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Speaker 1: other ship going on, Clippers, the Dodgers, whatever, whatever when

422
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: you go to one of these small like basketball is absolute.

423
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: Life at Kansas was the Carolina right, that's the only

424
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 1: show in town. So the environment is suited for you guys. Yeah,

425
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: I was signing autographs like every day, like we was

426
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 1: like the pros, Like We're going places, getting free at

427
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: the restaurants. I'm like I felt like a pro already,

428
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: and it was just like damn, U feel like I

429
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: already made it. You'd be surprised, man, this, I don't know,

430
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: Like it's just different. It's different people spending night. People

431
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 1: put wheels on their tickets like serious, they put them down,

432
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: and I'm here, I'm seeing this like damn, this is

433
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: my first real like feeling like crazy basketball culture. You know,

434
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: I've never seen nothing like this, And like you said,

435
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: up until that point, you hadn't been around nothing. That's

436
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: pretty much all white people out there. Yeah, for sure,

437
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: and loving you. I went. I went to junior college

438
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: and Butler and Butler Kansas. Yeah, like I know, my brother.

439
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't do the leading a lion down that selling week.

440
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: Didn't do it. I got three weeks, but I couldn't

441
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 1: take it. But talking about the culture shot, I could

442
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: not take it. I had to get I had to

443
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: get up out of there quick. But knowing that after

444
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: you going through that and you grew up in l

445
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: a lacal fan your whole life and end up at Celtic,

446
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: I know what was that? You know, like that was real?

447
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: Like when I got drafted, when I was like, man

448
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: going over there, you never had that I was, you

449
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: know what the thing was that? It was just like

450
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: I was happy to be a pro like we all did,

451
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: you know. I mean at the end of the day,

452
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm in now, like I don't even think it really

453
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: matter where I went. But when you when I got picked,

454
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: because it was shocking. I wasn't I supposed to go

455
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: on the top five, ended up number ten to a

456
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: team I didn't even work out for and so but

457
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: then it was a Celtics and I'm hearing all these

458
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: stories about Rick Pattino. I was scared. I was like, shoot,

459
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, I got I gotta go play

460
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: for Rick Patino. I heard his practices. It's crazy. Like

461
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: if I thought my practice at Kansas was hard, That's

462
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: the only thing going through my mind. But I was like, man,

463
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: I'm man now, I don't care. I don't care about

464
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: for the Celtics, even though I hated I'm growing up. Man,

465
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I mean, I think that's

466
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: what it was all about, all of us. We didn't

467
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: care where we went, shook the commissioner and we in

468
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: tell me with ationships. I mean, once you're in this

469
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: historical franchise, right about Bill Russell? You know the great

470
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: how did that? How was that? Man? These guys that

471
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: understand the tradition of the franchise. Yeah, I had a chance.

472
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: When I first got there, I met Red r. Back

473
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: and he had a golf, a charity golf thing he

474
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,239
Speaker 1: would do every year. And this is my first time

475
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: meeting him. So I'm sitting on the couch and he

476
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: comes sitting down next to me and I'm like, how

477
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: are you doing? Mr? All Back? He was like, you know,

478
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: he got a cigar that that was real. He always

479
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: had a cigar. He was like, yeah, I watched you

480
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: at Kansas. I didn't even think he knew who I

481
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: was at the time, you know what I'm saying. He

482
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, Pearce, I watched you at Kansas. You

483
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: need to do this for you. The first thing, we

484
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: just started talking basketball. And then but now it's like, damn,

485
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: this red are back talking to me. So now it's like, damn,

486
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: look at this culture. Bill Russell's around, John Happen Check,

487
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: these just got legends just coming around. Like now part

488
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: of this culture. I go from one tradition at Kansas

489
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: to another basketball tradition where it's like legends everywhere and

490
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: they support they at the games, they they off the

491
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: court with you. I had a chance at dinner, would

492
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: bid Russell times cent a corn Brad Maxwell. That's my boy,

493
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: that's my man, corn bread. Tommy Heinson just to just

494
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: hear the stories, you know, you just like soak up

495
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: all the stories. You sit there, talk to Russell, you

496
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: sit there, talk to Heinson like how was you know?

497
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: How was Bird? How was you know? How was Hondo?

498
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: You know? How was having the check? You know? And

499
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: then you get a chance like yeah, you know when

500
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: you get a chance to soak that up and here

501
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: about like, you know, how was they off the court?

502
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: You know how did they He'll be shocked. Man, they

503
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: back in the day, they used to smoke cigarettes in

504
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: the locker room, have beers. Yeah, that was in the

505
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: locker room frigerator. They got pictures of that in Boston,

506
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: somebody that's Look, they got pictures of guys on the

507
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: self to smoking a cigarette after the game. It's still

508
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: in their uniform. Like people don't even notice, Like it's

509
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: a picture with the beer case right there in the

510
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: locker room. Like people don't even know this stuff. Game over.

511
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: So you get to see what do you twenty when

512
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: you get to Boston? Yeah, just turned twenty one? Where

513
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: are you at? Just as a man, I mean, straight

514
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: California kid throwing into Kansas, which is kind of a

515
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: culture shock that ends up being great. Now you're throwing

516
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: into Boston all this history. I mean, the thing is

517
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: too Like as a young man, you just you hear

518
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: Boston is a racist city. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, yeah,

519
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: no doubt. And coming from l A and Kansas and

520
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: going to Boston, it's like that's all you're thinking about

521
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: It's like, man, I'm in a racist It's just know,

522
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: it's known. It's like no, you know, and I'm just

523
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: like trying to find my way. I'm over here, got

524
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: an apartment. I don't know, you know which way is left?

525
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: Snow more snow and another culture shock again, re culture

526
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: shock and and you know hearing these accents, you know,

527
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: and yeah, all I'm thinking like, man, this city is racist.

528
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,239
Speaker 1: But you know what Boston has really like as far

529
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: as sports, they pioneered a lot of the athletes, you

530
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, first black coach, first team to

531
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: draft African American player. Um, and you know I learned

532
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: about the history, but that still don't take away about

533
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: how people are. But you know, I really didn't have

534
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: a chance to really feel a lot of racism because

535
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: I was a sports different ground. Yeah, bringing both sides together,

536
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: no matter who, cause, what color, whatever situation is. Yeah.

537
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: And so um, you know I didn't I didn't know

538
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: that life would come full circle, that I'll be coming

539
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: from l A to living in Boston all the years.

540
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: So you come out with a strong rookie campaign. You

541
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: may come out the gates and strong talk about your

542
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: first year in the league playing for the Celtics. Now, yeah,

543
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: so I came in with a chip on my shoulder.

544
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: I came in with it's a straight chip. I wasn't

545
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: gonna like wait for nobody. I was just like, I'm here,

546
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm pissed that these other teams didn't draft me. I'm

547
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: coming out. This is it. You only get one shot,

548
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: and this was my shot. I need to make a

549
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: name for myself right now. That was just the fire

550
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: hearing me, the competitiveness, and uh, I wasn't gonna take

551
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: a back seat to nobody. I mean that was my mentality.

552
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: I was just like, you either love me or hate me,

553
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: straight up, this is who I am. This is all

554
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play every night. I could or don't. So

555
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: coming from l A, like you said, you made a

556
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: conscious decision, knowing what kind of ship she was running

557
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: in the street, trip and running. You make a move

558
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: to Kansas to get out of California. You get to

559
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: Boston September two. Never forget that day, stabbed eight times,

560
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: nearly die. Talk to me about that. I mean, you

561
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: know it all started. I was you know, I was young,

562
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, hanging out all the time, going to the clubs,

563
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: you know. And so it was a night when I

564
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: went in Buzz club and I called myself talking to

565
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: some young ladies. You know, I'm single at the time.

566
00:29:54,160 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: Next thing, I know, one of the long ladies. I

567
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: don't know if it's her, dude, I don't know what.

568
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: Next thing, I know, a guy approached me like that's like,

569
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, you don't talk to her, and I'm like

570
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: what she like, like, I don't really mess with dude.

571
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, I'm in a tesso with him.

572
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. It happened so fast, man, it happened

573
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: so fast. I don't even know how I got into it.

574
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: It's just one dude right here. The next thing I know,

575
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: the story come out. I was fighting with three guys,

576
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: you know. Once it was all over with and sober,

577
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm standing up. I know, I didn't even know I

578
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: was being stabbed. And so I look up. I got

579
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: to jacket on. I look up and my jacket is

580
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: red blood everywhere. I'm a kind of leaking down my face.

581
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: I can really keep my eyes open. And they're like,

582
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: you stabbed. They need to go to the hospitals with Derek,

583
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: Patti and Tony. But he was at the club that night,

584
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: but we kind of like separated when you know, you're

585
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: walking around talking to females and stuff. Cool dude. Yeah,

586
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: and uh and that night changed my life. And I

587
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: remember being at the hospital, banging on the hospital door

588
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: and you know, asking, am I gonna die? Am I

589
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: gonna die? I'm have a shortness of breath, and you know,

590
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: it really changed my life for me to get through

591
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: that where you gotta stabbed that. I gotta stabbed three

592
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: times in the stomach and five times in the back,

593
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: but like two different knives and got hit upside the

594
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: head with my with a bottle. I got a scarms

595
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: right side of my eye. I had to have plastic

596
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: surgery all on this part because it was all scraped out.

597
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that when you were drilling this,

598
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: you don't feel none of that, you know. I wasn't

599
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: on the ground out of it, you know, up like

600
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: and then it was over. I realized I was this

601
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: was all happening, and it was like I had a

602
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: big old scar. Yeah, so all this was happening, and

603
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, I gotta change or something. Man. I

604
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: could have been I could have been I've seen how

605
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: many people are affected. Come on, you know, like it

606
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: was on the news. I mean, I'm getting important of

607
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: letters and stuff. I'm just happy. And then you know

608
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: what the crazy part about it, man, and how I

609
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: respect life and I appreciate life so much, and help

610
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: me appreciate life. Um, I get home after two days

611
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: in the hospital and I'm seeing the news and they

612
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: showed a kid, a teenager got staffed twice and died.

613
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, damn, you know what I'm saying, like,

614
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm I'm lucky. Man, I'm lucky. I can't

615
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: I can't at my family, damn putting myself in these positions.

616
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, stuff happens. Though you know, I'm

617
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: still a kid hanging out having fun. I mean, you

618
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: don't know, you don't know. And it just it really

619
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: changed my life. I don't think I went out like

620
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: people don't know this, but I actually carried a gun

621
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: for two years right after that. I was so paranoid,

622
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: like I kept it in the car, I had it on.

623
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: I was so paranoid like after that, I was just

624
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: like I couldn't be in crowds. I'm like, you know

625
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: you something like that, happened to you. Man, it's traumatic,

626
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: especially when you know when you're going out you ain't

627
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: bothering nobody and I can tell you to do knew

628
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: who you was, and a lot of times there's really

629
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: just some hating ship. But they expect you. They expected

630
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: for you to take the disrespect and not defend yourself,

631
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it always turned the

632
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: opposite for him and they end up getting their ads

633
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: with But but but let's see what it is is

634
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: you you end up carding situation and you look wrong,

635
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: but you really just out enjoying yourself, you know what

636
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But that's that's the that's the ship that

637
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: attracts us is when you're successful. But you know what,

638
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: but the thing to us as as athletes, we we

639
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: people look at us and we're targets. I mean you

640
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: see today you know how rappers they're getting killed. You know,

641
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: certain things that's happened up to guys, especially African American's

642
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: were targets when we get famous. And I don't know,

643
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't know other culture. You don't hear about this

644
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: type of stuff. It's like we hate on each other

645
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: and it's a shame. You know what I'm saying. It's

646
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: the same type of ship though, and it's a perfect example.

647
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: I use a person that's not famous to make it

648
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: out of your hometown and don't come back. Nobody don't care.

649
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: Let Paul peers making it. Don't come back and give

650
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: back here, sellout. He ain't ship. Both of you are successful,

651
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: but that you more famous, you ain't ship. You know

652
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But that's just how it is. Comes

653
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: with it. But I want to touch back to because

654
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: this is so, this is two thousands, this is before

655
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: mental health is talked about it all. And like you said,

656
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: you touched on your paranoid and anxiety, the fear that

657
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: touch on that. Because that this is before this was

658
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: touched it's not manly to talk about this kind of

659
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: ship back then. Yeah, man, And like I said, I

660
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: didn't really I had. It was so bad that I

661
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: couldn't even like sleep, like I wake up in the

662
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: middle of the night. People don't like this is a story.

663
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know. I had to have

664
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: a twenty four hour police surveillance in my house. That's

665
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: how paranoid. I was. Sit outside and I did all

666
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: I did was go to the gym at home for

667
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: like a good two year stretch. Man. I was just

668
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: like it changes you, dude, you don't know where to go,

669
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: you don't know who to look at, you don't know

670
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: you don't you on your toes, like really on your toes,

671
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: Like man, I'll kill something, you know what I'm saying.

672
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm just like that. I was like like that, man,

673
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: And so I had to channel all that energy just

674
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: to our basketball. It was just like, man, I'm I

675
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: was like to the point of like losing it to

676
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: All I want to do is go to the gym.

677
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: So now hours in the gym, because you know, our

678
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: basketball is for us. I saw our sanction that time

679
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: we're in the gym. We don't think about nothing else.

680
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: You know that whatever shorp here we got right there,

681
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: everything else going out the window, where girl problems, family problems,

682
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: money problems, whatever. It's just that you just you know

683
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: how that is, y'all know what I'm saying. Y'all know

684
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Just like that one moment you got

685
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: it that day. I turned that into like hours in

686
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: the gym, though, like four or five hours in the gym.

687
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: I didn't want to like stop hooping. I didn't want

688
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: to go home because now that's I'm thinking, And it

689
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: paid off. You know the next year career highs. You

690
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: played in two games, like that was the positive side

691
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: from what you have went through and made you lock in. Yeah,

692
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: I chantled all my energy now I played every single game.

693
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: I did not want to not play games. And mother

694
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: to us to play a two games we think made

695
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: a lot to us. But like straight up, I did

696
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: not want to not play a game like right now,

697
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: like this low management. I'm like, I couldn't. You can't

698
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: tell me to sit down. But how many people can

699
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: how many stars can actually say and it played eighty

700
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 1: two games though even in our ever, ain't too many

701
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: stars can say that a lot of guys would beat

702
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: up y'all took a y'all took a beating back then

703
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: to play any two games. That says a lot of

704
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: you got. You got respect from all your peers. When

705
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: when the mother said he played in two games, it's hard.

706
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 1: It's hard because you people thinking you. It's not because

707
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: you're not edging you. You're playing through something. You're playing

708
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: through something. You're gonna have it. I don't care if

709
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: it's a jam toe sprang fingers. You're playing through something

710
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: you ain't going through eighty two healthy. And people don't

711
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: realize your incident was what like a month away from

712
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: training camp, happened in septem It happened in septem right

713
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: before the season. And then people also don't know is

714
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: that season is when you dropped forty two or Code?

715
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: Ain't got your nickname was one of the coldest things

716
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: about that. Well, I was like I said, I was

717
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: John Player went to the Staples. You know, I come

718
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: home and who you know, you gotta show out. I

719
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: got all these tickets. I got all these tickets and

720
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: got my homies, my family, and I'm like, oh man,

721
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: I can't let them down. So I made it a

722
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: point every time I came to the Staples, I gotta

723
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: have a big game. So it was a game where

724
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: I dropped like forty two, I believe, you know, while

725
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: matched up with Code and shot out. They're the champs.

726
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: You know, they're the champs on their court. And then

727
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: after game, it was just like I remember the reporter

728
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: came up to me, his name Steve Bullpitt. He was like,

729
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: you hear what Shock said about you? I was like,

730
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: what he said, I don't take this quote and don't

731
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: edit it. Paul Pierce is the motherfucking truth. So next

732
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: from shock, after I dropped forty two, and so the

733
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: next day in the paper it's like, Paul Pierce the truth.

734
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: And so now you know, people are starting to call

735
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: me that. I'm like, okay, I like that. I'm feeling that.

736
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Homies is calling what's up proof.

737
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm feeling that, all right. So that

738
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: it just stuck, you know what I'm saying. I was like,

739
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: all right, so I gotta live up to this now.

740
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: So next night I think I dropped forty again. Like again,

741
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: I think I'm about to drop back to back forties.

742
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: After that, my confidence was to the roof. If you

743
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: got Diesel giving you a nickname, you go to them

744
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: on Man's that's respect that year, Yeah, that's respect. Right

745
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: there after Diesel giving it up for you, Deesel, don't

746
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: just give it up for nobody, straight up, straight speaking

747
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: of the staments and that you remember the game that

748
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: we are playing with. I don't know if it was magic,

749
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: but you and Baron was ma we at the charity game.

750
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah you remember that. Yeah, he took over the Midsummer

751
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: Nights Midsummer Nights Magic. He knew he grew into this,

752
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: he was. But I remember the game and we were

753
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: on the sideline. We had all had tall cups of

754
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: vodka dogs during the game. I know that was out

755
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: there in his first possession and try to drill it

756
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: and dribble off his foot and checks out during again,

757
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: he just that was that summertime. That was that summertime,

758
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: bring all the guys together summers. Yeah, it was like

759
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: he brought all the cats in the summer to hang

760
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: out for a weekend. But you and really made that

761
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: game that year. I wanted to give your probles on that. Yeah,

762
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: we had a good, good run on that. So you

763
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: get a taste of the playoffs two thousand to two

764
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: thousand three. So back then it's it's Ai and in

765
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: the sixers, Jake Kid with the nets. Uh you know,

766
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: Reggie r Test jack Al, But Jackie before you this

767
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: before you, before I came you. After that, you know,

768
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: the team struggling, Danny Ainge takes over and it's a

769
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: whole new day. Yeah. Man, We went to the Eastern

770
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: Conference Finals and then Danny ain't come in like the

771
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: next year training antwine. I'm thinking we are on our way.

772
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: People don't even know. People think Paul Pierce is just

773
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: started playing in the playoffs. Like I had some big

774
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: playoff games shown, but like that the social media I

775
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: don't even know about. You know, I ended up licking

776
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: a closeout game where I was had forty six and

777
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: now one had some big games versus Indiana turns uh

778
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: series verse. Then yeah, I played. I played against you

779
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: in the playoffs two years. I think you hit it

780
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: on the head though, because it's pre social media. To me,

781
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: you're like one of the top five greatest closer, clutch,

782
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: motherfucking players of all like you embraced give me the

783
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: ball at the end, and I'm gonna make this motherfucking

784
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: shot while if it's the biggest game, I'm gonna drop

785
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: for like that's what you were known for to people

786
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: who really do who how many players got a play

787
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: that he had his own plate? Oh yeah, cut down

788
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: the middle, No, no, no, from the side, no cut

789
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: When I come from the side, starts on the other side,

790
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: and he comes across the screen, you come to the

791
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: other post and yeah, yeah, that was I know. No,

792
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: you're talking about the live play over the top. Yeah yeah,

793
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: that play, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah An Twine started that.

794
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: Though we had that, we didn't talk about Twine too,

795
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: because people forget how cold Twine said the other day,

796
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: if he played today, he'd be making three hundred million.

797
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: And I don't doubt that. I do not doubt that

798
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: at all. He was like one of the original stretch

799
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: forward with handles problems. Was a problem employee number, he

800
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 1: was a problem, was tough, Yeah, he was a problem dog.

801
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: People get, we get you have some problems. Though. That

802
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: was in the end when I came back from the

803
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: bra from your vacation. Yeah, I had next game vacation.

804
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: You was one of the most underrated. I say, that's

805
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: a position. I'm like, damn jockers all here. You know

806
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He got jumper. I remember,

807
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna look Jack don't know this, but I'll

808
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: never forget this game. Playing against Jack in San Antonio.

809
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you had that night, but

810
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: I know you hit the clutch three over me. It

811
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: was like late and then them shots. I don't forget

812
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: you hit a three and it was on the it

813
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: was on if I'm facing you, he was on the

814
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: left wing, which would be your right wing. I'll never

815
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: forget this if you go back and look at the tape,

816
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't forget this. You hit a three that was

817
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: so backbreaking. We was and I didn't want to San

818
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: Antonio ever at this point. And this is the closest

819
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: we come, like I lost ten straight years. We never

820
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: we didn't went for ten straight years. And this was

821
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: a close game. We had it and he had a

822
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: big three. You know, it's like damn, but he was

823
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: smoothing as they get though. It was smoothing have battles.

824
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: We all three that I would there. I wish I

825
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: would have been there the year you was talking to

826
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: all and drained and as you after you whispered like

827
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: thirty sweet nothings to him. Look, I'm gonna go this

828
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: way and I'm gonna pull up and we're gonna get

829
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: up out and telling them what you're about to do. Man.

830
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: I see. That's when the league was real, like come on, man,

831
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: like you don't see that no more? I don't see that.

832
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: Why don't everybody helping each other up? Now? Our tests

833
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: tried to switch out and out didn't let him. Oh man,

834
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't see that no more like the competition dog.

835
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: Yeah right, oh man, that's I love that when you're

836
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: seeing Ai talking ship to kobe Yea like they don't.

837
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: We don't no more good to see James Joanna is

838
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: talking to the paper like that. Yeah, I like that,

839
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: Like two guys. That's like that, Like I say, West Westbrook,

840
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: nobody out there. I love it too. He ain't got

841
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: no friends. He ain't got no friends. See that's the

842
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: That's how I was. I don't have no week. Like

843
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: as cool as we all knew each other, we didn't

844
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: play it against we cool after right, it ain't personal, Jack,

845
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: and that personal bad to me either, Like that ain't personally.

846
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna you're gonna vote me. I'm gonna vote you

847
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: after the game. Good family, all right? Because me playing

848
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: against you was different because I actually studied you, like

849
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of your game I put

850
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: in my game, especially in the post like you had

851
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: the best footwork ever as a guard, especially post up,

852
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: like we all talked like we always talked about that.

853
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: So I used to try to figure that out because

854
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't full file dribbles with you. It's one dribble

855
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: and you had the basket. You know what I'm saying.

856
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: You took advantage of your steps. So like we gotta

857
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: get your praise too, because you you are definitely the

858
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: probably started the post game for us in our era,

859
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: and all guards started posting up after that. Yeah, I

860
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: just I just studied the game. Man. I always try

861
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: to get better, you know what I'm saying. I knew

862
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: I wasn't the most athletic out there, so I had

863
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: to find ways. I knew how to jump or I

864
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: could set up other things, and you know, just working, uh,

865
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: just constantly working on the craft. Man at your pace.

866
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: To you was always at your pace. Didn't want nobody

867
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: to heard me. You knew what I was strong, so

868
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: I could give a shoulder. If I didn't get by you,

869
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: I could just give you that shoulder to get space.

870
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: And so I really like studied the game and just

871
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: learned what my strips wasn't played within that after them

872
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: still dunking on my too, because people didn't know I have.

873
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: People didn't know a little bit. I got somebodies. I

874
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: got somebody. People don't know that I got somebody's Yeah,

875
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: I had a chance to play for Doc. Great motivator,

876
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: mental preparations, very big with him, tough to what what

877
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: you felt like he brought to your team. Man, Doc

878
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: was somebody we all respected because he played the game

879
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: off to off the top. You know, before I didn't

880
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: play with the coach that that play. So it's like,

881
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, Doc understood the players, and you respected Dot

882
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: and he's gonna keep it real with you. We bumped heads, people.

883
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: We bumped heads though when we first got there, me

884
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: and Doc got the same as that birthday heads I'm

885
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: talking about. We're arguing, we had time outs, we ain't

886
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: seeing eye to eye, so it took a It took

887
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: a while for us to like we went from this

888
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: to to really get to this, you know. And it

889
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: wasn't always smooth. We we clashed a lot, but at

890
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: the end it was it was worth it because Doc

891
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: turned me into the player that I ended up being.

892
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: And um, you know I was defining that first want

893
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: to do it my way, but he really taught me

894
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: the game. I heard. He was someone who, like you said,

895
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: you bump him, but he was someone who's really meant you.

896
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: Like he said, he shaped you, but he mentally challenged you.

897
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: As well, like talking about a little bit from that aspect,

898
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: as far as like I said, being a former player

899
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: but knowing how to get the best out of you. Yeah,

900
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Doctor knows a motivator. He definitely challenged you.

901
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: Day to day. Doctor fights you. I'm telling you. That's

902
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: that's what I always tell people, Like I try to

903
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: explain to him, like this is a difference why people

904
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: respect certain coaches that play more than respect somebody's coaching

905
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: that haven't played, because you know, any situation in the game,

906
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: whether some bullshit or whether it's anything, they didn't been

907
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: through it. So if you go to them, you're getting

908
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: the honest opinion. Somebody that's been there and experience is

909
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: always the best teacher, without a doubt. I mean, Doc

910
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: definitely we had our arguments, and uh that's what pushed

911
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: my button though, because he was real with you. He'll

912
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: let you know when you ain't you ain't playing to

913
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: your potential and taking days off or who you posted

914
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: like Pete, what do you You know? He taught me

915
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: to be a real leader, you know, to do it

916
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: every night and practice and starting practice. You know, they

917
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: carrying the game. And you know he was able to

918
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: teach me that because I was frustrated at first, man,

919
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: like playing on so many bad teams. Oh man, I saw.

920
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: I was like, people don't know I was almost out

921
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: of bos tell me about that. I'm telling you. I

922
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: was having me. I was having meetings with the ownership, like,

923
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: you know, the same working this a year before we

924
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: got KG. You know this a year Kevin Durant wasn't cold.

925
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: I was like, we losing. We lost eighteen in a row. Someone,

926
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: We're weak. You know I'm in my prime, right, but

927
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: straight up we're weak. I'm like, I'm in my prime

928
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: and then we're losing. We're not getting to the playoffs.

929
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: You know. I was like, man, y'all should trade me

930
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: traft Kevin Durrant, tank the year and build on out.

931
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: So I thought I was I was really trying to

932
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: get the Dallas So people don't even know I was

933
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: trying to get the Dallas dirt because they just they

934
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: got upset. Yeah, y'all popped up and I was like, damn,

935
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: I give him. I'll give him. Yeah, that team. I

936
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: was like, I would have been a team to help

937
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: him get over the top. That was a good reason

938
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: for me to like, oh I can help that team.

939
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: They need you. Yeah. I was like, if I could

940
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: get there there, that's like they're gonna win forty games,

941
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: they just need me over there. I felt like I

942
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: had to talk with Cubans like I was trying to

943
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: get that, but they was like, you know, we're gonna

944
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: stick with you. We're gonna we're gonna build this team out. Yeah,

945
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: we didn't get the number, gonna pick and the rest history.

946
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: We wind up getting the fifth pig train for Ray,

947
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: then traded for KG. Now we aren't one of years

948
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: how things can just turn around? So how many games

949
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: did you guys win the year before? Man? I think

950
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 1: we only won like games mans the next then win

951
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: the championship the next ship. That's how quick change. Straight

952
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: up it changed overnight. Talked us about that and with

953
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: that team dynamic and chemistry and how it all came together.

954
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: You guys are really the first Big Three. Although it happened,

955
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: it happened through trade. Happen you say a lot of

956
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: people think we orchestrated this three. I mean, Danny Ainge

957
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: got it through trade. You know, now everybody going to

958
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: play with one another. Ours was done organic straight up? Uh.

959
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: And so when that when we traded for Ray, I

960
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: was like, okay, we're not rebuilding no more. We're trying

961
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: to do something. I heard we traded for tickets. We

962
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: got tickets and thrown under the bus. Don't nobody under

963
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: the bus but Joab Big three to me was you

964
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: Rondo and Kg. I didn't put Ray in y'all Big three,

965
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: go ahead already there. You gotta respect as much as

966
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: as much as you know we had be for Ray.

967
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: Weren't you got you're talking about personality, I mean the personality.

968
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: You remember the personality of that team. It was just

969
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: like all Alpha's dog. It was just Rondo, KG, Me, Tony, y'allen,

970
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: per Big Baby, Edny House Dog Leon motherfucker man uh man.

971
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: Our team was dog. Yeah, Like people were scared of us.

972
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: We was out there d n up too. I mean

973
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: that I'll never get those moments because when you play

974
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: so long and we have a chance to play on

975
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: special teams, y'all all been on special teams. They don't

976
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: come around a lot. You could be one of the

977
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: lucky few us to have a stretch, But you know,

978
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: you just appreciate those times you could play with on

979
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: those special teams and you can attest to this, and

980
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: you can't. His family is building. Talk to me a

981
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: little bit about because we were laughing about it on

982
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: set at ESPN maybe a month ago about club Shi

983
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: isn't it? Club isn't shout out the club ship, isn't it?

984
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: That was a spot in my I had a basement

985
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: that was like a club. So, you know, days when

986
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: we didn't have practice, next day, we're like, I'd be like,

987
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: all right, fellers, we're gonna have a good time in

988
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: my house. I'm gonna have a chef come through. We're

989
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: gonna go out. We're gonna meet at my house at

990
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: like two am. We're gonna go to about six am,

991
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: do all the all the guys on the team, and

992
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, we have our girls over and we're going

993
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: from two to six and be like this is this

994
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: is club Shi, isn't it? You know what I'm saying.

995
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna be here to to six. You know, we're

996
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: gonna have a good time right here. We can't get

997
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: no trouble. We're gonna be good right here. I'm gonna

998
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: make sure that good and we're gonna go home. And

999
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: the players loved that. Tony Man. Everybody was talking about it. Oh,

1000
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: it was a good time for the Feathers. But that's

1001
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: how we built our Camarado, you know what I'm saying.

1002
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: That's how we kicked it though. You know I was

1003
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: the vest so I'm gonna bringing all the young boys.

1004
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: This is how we're gonna kick it. And that that

1005
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: brought chemistry. You know, when GP first got the club

1006
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: ships and that he was he got traded to Boston,

1007
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: he did not want to be a Boston but once

1008
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: he went the ships there so so in the midst

1009
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: of getting your first finals as an l A kid,

1010
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: you were newing the Boston Laker riving way. You and

1011
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: Kobe is always going head to head. Now you're doing

1012
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: any man, that was that was incredible just to be

1013
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: a part of that, you know, just growing up watching

1014
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: it and then finally and then being part of it.

1015
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: It was just like, you know, this was what got

1016
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: me in the hoops, you know, being a Laker fan

1017
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: watching the Celtics. I hated the Celtics, and now I'm

1018
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: part of the rivalry again. Meeting in the finals and

1019
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: to do it twice, that was I was special. You know,

1020
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 1: who have thought a kid from l A playing Boston

1021
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: play against the Lakers in the championship and win, and

1022
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: then play against them again. Like my only two finals

1023
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: was against the Lakers. Did you feel like you had

1024
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 1: to win as a Celtic you had to, like being

1025
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: one of the best players played, and about the seth

1026
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: uniform you had, like your career can't be writing. Then

1027
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: you win one without a doubt, no question. I mean,

1028
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: like you gotta understand, Jack, you go to practice every day,

1029
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: this is hanging over your head. Damn right, sixteen banners,

1030
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: all the numbers. I'm like, dude, look at that pressure.

1031
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: I gotta if I want to be one of these cats,

1032
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: I gotta put one up here. I mean straight up,

1033
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: this is every day. You gotta see this Like oh

1034
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: showed white in the stands. I mean, like, I gotta

1035
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: live if I to be one of them. I got

1036
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: to Yeah, that was enormous pressure, man, But I wanted that.

1037
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: I wanted that talk to us too, because I think,

1038
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, that's is that the game you

1039
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: went off in the game one, you went off in

1040
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: the wheelchair and came back with that wrong with it.

1041
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: I know where you can go off, get parted off

1042
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: pe and come back and draft buckets. I'm sorry up.

1043
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: Look I turned it. It was a light spring. I

1044
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: go like it was a light spring, but you know,

1045
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 1: I ain't never heard of pop. It heard a pop,

1046
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: but it was a like spring. You automatically think the worst.

1047
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking the worst. It was like it was like

1048
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: heard and I was like like, I was like and

1049
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: then I was like, hold on, that would that wheelchair?

1050
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, how did that happen? Look,

1051
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: the doctor was like get the wheelchair. Like it wasn't

1052
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: like I was like I couldn't walk. It was like,

1053
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: I know it looked back because it's way working back.

1054
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: They didn't even give me a chance to try to

1055
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: get up and put no weights. I'm getting carried out

1056
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: in the chair like no, I look at it to it.

1057
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is super dramatic. I think you should

1058
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: have rolled that out there. Just hopped up. But they

1059
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: didn't even give me the chance to try to get

1060
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 1: up and put some weight on it. You know, usually

1061
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: it was like just pick him up. And so they

1062
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: picked me up and I'm like, oh ship, I'm like, dude,

1063
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: it was like, get the wheelchair. So that wasn't all

1064
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: on me. So I was like hold on, hold on.

1065
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: When I get back on my hold on, man, let

1066
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: me see, let me see how I feel like. They

1067
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: put no weight on it yet. You know it's it's hurting.

1068
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: So I get up. I put some weight on it.

1069
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: So I feel like a little lights brain. So like, okay,

1070
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. I was just panicking. You realize

1071
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: what's the stake too, Yeah, and I'm like, I can't

1072
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: go out and not I can't be out of the finals.

1073
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: Come on, man, not right now. I'll put some weight

1074
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 1: on it. I'm like, all right, I'm cool, I'm cool.

1075
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't give me a knee brace. Gotta put the

1076
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: de brace. So they just like went back out there

1077
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: like man. I was like, all right, trailing dog. You

1078
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. This is the finals, it's the lakes.

1079
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: This is I was like, come on, not right now,

1080
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: this is what my whole life I'm waiting for this moment. Man,

1081
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: I could. I had to get that said put the

1082
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: knee braces on one out there, and I was like,

1083
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm about to bust the ass. You win in the

1084
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: championship and finals, t VP, tell me that and you

1085
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: get the final TV man. That was like a dream

1086
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: come true. Man, man, straight up, you know you know

1087
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: the hours were put in this gym. You know the

1088
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: sacrifice we put in into this game, you know. I mean,

1089
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: it's just to get to that point, like finally ten

1090
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: years is in my career. Like people don't know the

1091
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 1: sacrifice to blood I spilled, the the swear and sweated,

1092
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, the late hours, to not being around family members,

1093
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: missing so so much stuff is because of that. We

1094
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: dedicate our whole life to just this. I mean, when

1095
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: you retire you look back at it, it's like, Damn,

1096
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: I did that game. That's how much we loved it.

1097
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: Though it was just like a dream. Oh man. So like,

1098
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: I get the trophy, look check this out. Though. I

1099
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: fly to l A. We go to Vegas wee party.

1100
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: Then I get to l A famous restaurant on sunset Katama.

1101
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: I go up there with all my boys. It's like

1102
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: about ten fifteen of us. You can't tell me nothing.

1103
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm walking around all summer with a wife beater. Wrong,

1104
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: I got, I got my trophy in my hand and

1105
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: I sat. Then I went outside outside on the pattern

1106
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: and sat the trophy right there in front of everybody,

1107
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: right in the middle. L A boom, We're gonna kick

1108
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: back and eat drink. Man. I must tell you though,

1109
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: they hated that so bad. This was on social media.

1110
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle l a one of the hot

1111
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: restaurants where everybody kicking at and I put the trophy

1112
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: and put the trophy right there on the table and

1113
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: sit outside everybody looking. I got my crew and be like, yeah,

1114
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: like what swag was du the roof? Oh, you couldn't

1115
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: tell me nothing. You couldn't tell me nothing. Crazy because

1116
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: we we when we talked to Kobe that he said

1117
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: that was one of the hardest hits in his career,

1118
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: losing and that the finals deah. I mean the thing

1119
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: about that he got it back. Oh that's the one.

1120
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that one he got back from us

1121
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: in two thousand ten. Oh man, I know. He said

1122
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: that was the sweetest one too. He said I was

1123
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: the one the lost, y'all was the toughest, and the

1124
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: wind was the sweetest doing it shot yeah, yeah, doing

1125
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: it without shock. Oh man, that was he We had

1126
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: four all stars, do you know that? Yeah? For all

1127
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: he was the only human power. He had two had

1128
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: polka song, but he's tough and polka salt Man that

1129
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: first finals we ran through Pola. I've seen Kobe obliterate

1130
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: Palaga sal the side, like, Bro, you can't let this happen.

1131
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: But just just he we're saying, but let me just

1132
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: he made you know how crazy if I had to like, yeah,

1133
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: it was that bad Pal's head. But like you said,

1134
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: he made him a lot tougher, he made him, He

1135
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: made him a Hall of Fame. Yeah, yeah, he made

1136
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: him a Hall of Famer. Kobe just another skilled I

1137
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: don't think you could teach dog, but Kobe put some

1138
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: of his dog in power. And it's funny that you

1139
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: recognize that difference in this game. Second, whatever Poal needed it,

1140
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: Kobe with a cust him out in that. Like with

1141
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: Kobe didn't around when he came to Man, he did

1142
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: not around. Take me back though, because we jumped to

1143
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: both the rivalry, but people don't know like Bron couldn't

1144
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: get through you. Bron couldn't get through you in the

1145
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: Celtics talk about those battles. Battles we had some battles.

1146
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: Bron bought the best out of me. Though, when you

1147
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: know you're playing against the best, he's gonna bring it

1148
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: out of you because if now you're gonna get in Paris.

1149
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: And you know, when I watched him today, I'm like, man,

1150
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: casts A scared of him totally, like he put the

1151
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: fair of God in everybody. I'm like, what is going

1152
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: on here? No, I wasn't having that. I wanted that.

1153
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: I wanted that, I wanted all of that. All right,

1154
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guard him today. You're gonna guard me because

1155
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm guarding you today, and I'm gonna take it. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm.

1156
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to hit me upside of my head

1157
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: all night and I'm gonna live with it. I mean,

1158
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: I know you Bron and all, but so I'm true

1159
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: and so man, he really he really elevated my playing.

1160
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean I had my career high verse somewhere I

1161
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: scored fifty on we both scored. I had fifty. People

1162
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: don't know I had fifty on him. He had like

1163
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: forty six on me in one regular season game, and um,

1164
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,959
Speaker 1: just those playoff battles. Man, he knew I was gonna

1165
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: bring it. You know, I know, I know I never

1166
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: was at Lebron's level, but I know I can, for

1167
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: what one day, I can be at this level moment.

1168
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: Maybe not every day, but for that one day when

1169
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: we needed I could be there and that's what I

1170
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: was able to do. I mean that game seven in

1171
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: the conference and in the playoffs go down like one

1172
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: of my favorite games. Just how we competed it was.

1173
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: It was. I didn't realize it because I remember it

1174
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: was like it happened so fast, like the game my

1175
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: driller was still going and like people calling me like

1176
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: did I just watched this? Like I'm like, what you know?

1177
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: But my drilling, I'm not like really how epic it

1178
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: was until like down the road and when I look

1179
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 1: at it now, it's like that was a game and

1180
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: that really helped solidified kind of like my career to

1181
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: put me at the at the next level. Losing losing

1182
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten. You said it hurt, you're talking

1183
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: about Kobe winning, But how did that? Thank you? Man?

1184
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: The two thousand and ten I'll still not have watched

1185
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: that game seven. We were up double figures in that game.

1186
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: I still haven't watched it to this day. Still to

1187
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: this day, I don't know if I could, like I'm

1188
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: like looking like what could have been a second championship

1189
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: like that, I don't think I'll ever watched that game.

1190
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: I don't even know if any of the other players

1191
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: watch it, because it was in our hand too. It

1192
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: was in our hand and to beat the Lakers again

1193
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,919
Speaker 1: again and the dude on the floor, and that would

1194
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: have been like ding I wanted at home. Now that's

1195
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: the game we run at the three. Royn was bawling.

1196
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: But you know that was my hat off the run

1197
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: man straight up, because I was matched up with him.

1198
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: He he, He came to play that game, but it

1199
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: was to take the lesser of two evil. Yeah, you know,

1200
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean we all, do we let Ron shoot or

1201
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: do we try to crowd Kobe? Yeah, everybody's got It's like,

1202
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be helping off him because we're gonna try

1203
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: to stop him, and the hats off of him. He

1204
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: knocked down some big shots for them. I should have

1205
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: been in the fan programs to cloud Kobe. Everybody in

1206
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: the arena crowd. It's like, so as he grabbed the ball,

1207
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: my eyes is on him. I'm like, I don't care

1208
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: who this is. Scobe right here. So Bron goes to

1209
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: Miami because we sent them there, Yeah, we sent them there.

1210
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: He couldn't get past the big three class. Yeah, go ahead,

1211
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to find you got to invent your

1212
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: own VIG three. Now. So they go and do that.

1213
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that because that was some battles too. Yeah,

1214
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: when they did that, I ain't gonna lie. That was

1215
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: like world breaking news. That was changing the landscape of

1216
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: the game. I think everybody said when they said Lebron,

1217
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: Wade and Bosh was on the one team. I was like,

1218
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: what that you talked about our big three was cool?

1219
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: I was like, man, ain't nobody gonna beat them? Like

1220
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: I said that I said that. I was like when

1221
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: I saw them, I was like, they're doing something different.

1222
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: This is different. This is the next coming to like

1223
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: Jordan and Pipping or something. I was like, I couldn't

1224
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: believe that they did that. And I was like, I

1225
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: knew our run was over. I was that I was

1226
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: over guys bat on the playoffs that year though. Yeah,

1227
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,439
Speaker 1: we battled, we battled, but we just knew we didn't

1228
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: have enough. Man, we thought we could get them. We

1229
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: went to games. Uh one year we went to Game

1230
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: seven with the Miami He yeah, we we had them

1231
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: on the ropes. But then Lebron put up some legendary

1232
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: two point game, two point game with four minutes to

1233
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: go in the in Miami and it just fell apart.

1234
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: Bron took over. That was our last really run, right Yeah.

1235
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: We went up three too. We was up three too,

1236
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: and then went home for the close out game. Six

1237
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: best playoff games ever. I'm gonna say this, I think

1238
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: I think that was one of the most defining games

1239
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: of Lebron's career. Absolutely, he turned the corner of that game.

1240
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: It was just like because people was like, is he clutch?

1241
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: Is he did as he saw for that? But after

1242
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: that game, here's no question, it was no more question. Yeah,

1243
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: that game right there, it was like he couldn't miss.

1244
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: He had everything, he was growing, dunk and everything, and

1245
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: they needed it because all the pressure because you thought,

1246
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: thinking about it, it was like shore one to three championships.

1247
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: Rember that interview, he was like one, you know, it

1248
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: was like if he lose that game, oh man, it

1249
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: would have been a media nightmare for him. And so

1250
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: he put them on his shoulder and that that I

1251
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: think that turned him right there, That turned him into

1252
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: a base right there. So going, you guys lose to them,

1253
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: and then that's kind of the beginning of the end

1254
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: of your big three and then you lose a key component.

1255
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: And I've heard, you know, we hear from the outside

1256
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: looking in how it went down. And he did do this.

1257
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: He did like what did and didn't happen when Ray

1258
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: Allen left And this is my whole thing with and

1259
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: the reason I had a problem with him. Um go one.

1260
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: He went to our arrival James Lebron. James was arrival

1261
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: of the Celtics, regardless of he was included for Miami,

1262
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: and that was were some of the heated matchups and

1263
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: it was just like, damn, they just beat us and

1264
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: then you're gonna go over there. Two. I was like

1265
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: calling them, like you know, they was in the middle

1266
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: contract negotiating with them Celtics before he left, and he

1267
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't answer nobody calling. I'm hearing that he's talking about

1268
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,919
Speaker 1: going to so I'm calling him. He's not returning my call.

1269
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: I just feel like as a certain respect, as a teammate,

1270
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: as a brother, we could have this conversation like if

1271
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: you're not I want to hey with us no more.

1272
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: At least let us know something like like you know, bro,

1273
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: it's a situation. I'm gonna go over here, but they

1274
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: just don't say nothing to us, don't talk to us,

1275
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: and then get up and go over there. To me,

1276
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: I felt that was like a slap in the face

1277
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: or disrespect from a brother, you know what I'm saying.

1278
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: So that was my whole beef with them, you know,

1279
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: and you know other guys felt the same way. You know,

1280
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: And since dand me and him, I've talked to um

1281
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: and you know, you get overthing els brothers. You know.

1282
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: I don't have no problem with right uh today. I

1283
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: don't know the situation with Kevin and Ron don on

1284
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: everybody else, but I smooth things over with them. But

1285
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: I just thought, initially as a brother, somebody you've been

1286
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: through stuff with, you know, our families, our kids as

1287
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: all friends, our wives as all friends, and you just

1288
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: get up and don't say nothing, and then it's like

1289
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: you go to them. I just felt that was disrespectful.

1290
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: And that's why if people didn't the story, that's the

1291
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: story right there, why me and him have beef. You

1292
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: talk about it with KG, y'all, y'all talk about it

1293
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, man, man, we talked about it, and

1294
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: you know, some sometimes you know, people make up. Sometimes

1295
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: people don't. I don't. That's him. Um, how are you

1296
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:23,440
Speaker 1: gonna deal with it? Different? And you know, I respected

1297
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 1: either way. I mean, you feel a certain way about it.

1298
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: Maybe your story is different than my, you know so,

1299
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: but that's my story. I've always been someone just kind

1300
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: of in the midst of it because I just kind

1301
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: of feel like I wasn't supposed to be here to

1302
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: the beginning. So I've always been somewhat just a fan

1303
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: in taking everything in and respecting your game and respecting

1304
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: the great people I got a chance to play with

1305
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: and against. But I always thought you would be a

1306
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: Celtic for life. Yeah, so we get into and traded

1307
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn with Boston is still to this day people

1308
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: don't know benefit he off that trade. Yeah, but talk

1309
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: to me about how hard it was to just to

1310
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: finally leave Boston. That was a tough field to swallow.

1311
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 1: Leaving Boston, I thought for sure. I always said after

1312
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: I won the championship, be into too final, Like, Okay,

1313
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: I remember tired here. I've been here fifteen years. I'm like,

1314
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay it down another year too, and it here.

1315
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: So when you know, Danny talked about the possibility of trade,

1316
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, really, you know what I'm saying.

1317
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: We've been here all this time, and you know, but

1318
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: the fact that he had that talk and didn't that's

1319
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: why I respect Danny because it was not didn't wake

1320
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 1: up and I was like, gone, we had a conversation.

1321
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: He was just like, we're looking to rebuild. I could

1322
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: put you in a situation where you can have another

1323
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: shot at it. And we talked about Brooklyn and it

1324
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: was just like it wasn't just send us off anywhere,

1325
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 1: because me and KG got traded together and we was like,

1326
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: all right, we came to like a little mutual agreement.

1327
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, they're looking to rebuild here.

1328
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: They were looking at the trade, get some draft picks.

1329
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: You know, the run is over. I could sent y'all

1330
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn, Darren Williams, Joe Johnson, y'all. I was like, okay,

1331
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: I sound all right, don't give us a shot. I

1332
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: guess you know, at this age, I'm older, get to

1333
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: go to New York. You know, at least I got

1334
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: cab with me, and so, you know, as much as

1335
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: a stunt, and it was a tough pill to swallow,

1336
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: it was like, all right, we cancel mutual agreement, and

1337
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm glad we can have this conversation. That's me and Danny,

1338
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, that's all we ask. Yeah, it's so loyal

1339
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: to a franchise, so long conversation. I couldn't imagine a situation.

1340
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: But I think, and you know, people get lost in

1341
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: the mixed while players leave and they're doing it's such

1342
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: a business. But when we do something on our side,

1343
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: it's it's fucked up. But all we asked this communication

1344
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: and let us know where we're staying. Yeah, exactly, exactly,

1345
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: that's all. And that's why I can forever respect him

1346
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: for that. And because it don't happen all the time.

1347
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 1: You look up now you look up on Twitter or

1348
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 1: Instagram and you trade it like when you even get

1349
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: a call. Danny, Danny Angels, all of them. They didn't

1350
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: have no picks when he was with Phoenix that they

1351
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: traded for Steve Nash. They had one pick, the second

1352
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: to last pick in the staff set in the second

1353
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 1: round in the draft, and they picked me. Oh yeah,

1354
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know. It ain't so I ever speak out. Yeah,

1355
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: So Brooklyn, you guys go there, like you said, with

1356
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: Joe Johnson still one of the most underrated players in

1357
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: the game. But it's my ass in the Big Three

1358
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: Championship last year, shout out so Joe and then Darren Williams,

1359
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: you know, at one time was the best point guard

1360
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: in the game. So you're adding two solid hollet Foods.

1361
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 1: Youre fall of famer. Vets going to Brooklyn. Talk about

1362
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: your your brief time in Brooklyn. Yeah, I mean it

1363
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: started off rocky because we was we was garbage at first.

1364
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 1: We were we couldn't win. I remember, you know j Kid,

1365
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: this is his first time coach and he the coach man.

1366
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this story. On Christmas, we're playing the Bulls.

1367
01:11:54,560 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: They blow us out on national television. Man Jake Kid

1368
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: coming there, he yelling, he yelling at us, and I

1369
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: know KG caught up and guy and Jakid faced dog.

1370
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: I thought he was about the whoop ja kids. Straight up.

1371
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 1: I was like, I went up in his space. I

1372
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: ain't no who had his towel on, Like he had

1373
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: his towel on, like about to get in the shower

1374
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 1: in front of everybody, and then just walked off to

1375
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 1: the shower. I swear from that point on it turned

1376
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: our season around. Like KT cares so much, dog. I mean,

1377
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: it wasn't just randomly getting them at Jkid and face

1378
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,560
Speaker 1: J Kid. You know, KG have the point in his

1379
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: career like, don't yeah at me like this years Yeah,

1380
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: they they played Olympics together. They you know, here like that,

1381
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 1: all right, But I swear from that time, from that

1382
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: point it turned our season around too. kJ just let

1383
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: the fire under j under us and we just started

1384
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: bawling after that. But he got I thought, he's I

1385
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: thought this was gonna be the trail speedwell apart two.

1386
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 1: I thought, like, straight up, straight up, I was scared.

1387
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: I was scared for I can't see that with J

1388
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: Kid personality, KG person I couldn't. I couldn't see them

1389
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: going to blows in the locker rooms. Lose it, Dog,

1390
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:34,440
Speaker 1: you don't want to be around right Oh yeah, motherfucking

1391
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 1: the housing are from freek fighting. You gotta watch from

1392
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: across the road, man, take it ain't either, straight up area.

1393
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: So ship. Now, so you face Miami in the playoffs

1394
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: again again, dude, and with Brooklyn. You know, the thing

1395
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 1: is crazy, thing is we beat them four times that

1396
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: year in the regular season. We beat him, so I'm

1397
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:58,679
Speaker 1: thinking we we got a shot, you know, regular season

1398
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: and playoffs to That's what I'll be trying to temple

1399
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: for all this regular season that we're watching, don't matter.

1400
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: The playoffs come, taking lots of a whole different time.

1401
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: I thought we was gonna get him, but it was

1402
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: too much for us. Lebron was in this prime. He

1403
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: was priming. He was priming. This is the best you know,

1404
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 1: he's still priming actually at talking. I mean, I've never

1405
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 1: seen somebody in the prime this. No, he started since

1406
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: his fourth year. He was prime, right, the ultimate. Yeah,

1407
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 1: and just couldn't get over once he moved to Amy,

1408
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:35,639
Speaker 1: I couldn't get over to le Bron hump no more.

1409
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 1: And so that was that was tough. So then you

1410
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: moved to Washington, and I heard you talk about this before.

1411
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: This is kind of like you said, you know, this

1412
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 1: is your You're heading towards the ends, and now you're

1413
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: mentoring some really young talented players but still having your moments,

1414
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean, knocking down big shots, calling game. Washington was

1415
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: one of the funniest. That was years stretch I ever

1416
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: had just now put into a road to where I'm gee,

1417
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,640
Speaker 1: I got two young stars, you know, yeah, I can

1418
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: just like kind of mom them get their mind right,

1419
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: you know, see them develop every day, show them how

1420
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: to do it. You know, I ain't come over there

1421
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: like I went over there, like, look, man, John Brad,

1422
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: this is y'all team. I'm over here just to help.

1423
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: This is y'all team. I had my day where I

1424
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: was this is y'all ship, and I want you all

1425
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 1: to know that I'm not coming over here for that.

1426
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm here to help y'all. Yeah, they need to hear

1427
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: that need, especially from the Hall of Fame. Yeah, they

1428
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 1: need to hear that. That's like one of the first

1429
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: conversations I had when I'm just here to help. I'm

1430
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: gonna work every day. I'm gonna give y'all my experience

1431
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: and mentor y'all. This is how y'all need to work.

1432
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 1: Maybe days they come in like, no, y'all need to

1433
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: get on the court, you know, like come on, like dude,

1434
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: y'all need to go a little harder. Y'all. The leaders,

1435
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: y'all ain't going hard enough. And like when people heard

1436
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:03,520
Speaker 1: me say that to them, like coaches and other teammates,

1437
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: it was like nobody had ever went at them a

1438
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 1: lot of time. You can't. It's a crazy world, like

1439
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: you got to be the way you talk to stars

1440
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 1: so for you to be able to come in there,

1441
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: and they needed to hear it too. Yeah, but they

1442
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: probably shocked a lot of people. I don't think they've

1443
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: just been around a lot of guys they really respected,

1444
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: And I knew I got the respect because of how

1445
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,560
Speaker 1: I came to approached every day. They're like, damn the

1446
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: o G. He comeing to practice every day, he ain't

1447
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: taking no days off. He here early, he gets shots up,

1448
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: he lifted, and so they're starting to see that. Now

1449
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 1: they're starting to do it. And that's what I wanted

1450
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: to bring. But that that that year was so much fun,

1451
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 1: especially in the playoffs. Oh man, you know, I wasn't

1452
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: gonna put up big numbers no more. It was them

1453
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 1: days was over, so you know, yeah, so I was

1454
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 1: that guy that could help him down the stretch. Did

1455
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: you call Glass? You know? I called game? Oh man,

1456
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: I want to say a little bit more after that,

1457
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,600
Speaker 1: and I just walked off from the interview. Was like

1458
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: that was classic. I was like, but like, how are

1459
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: you going? Like this's my thing? How are you gonna

1460
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: trying to take my bones? Like? Did I called Glass?

1461
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 1: Like the game? Game? Come on talking about all right,

1462
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: straight from the head, I had to think of something

1463
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: like that. It was just a little stink this almost

1464
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: low key real quick yeah yeah, motherfuck nerve, Like yeah,

1465
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: that's that's exactly what I'm thinking, Like, you know, you

1466
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 1: know all it was missing. I called game, but I

1467
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: was I was like when I said, I was kind

1468
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: of mad at it, like called gang really like and

1469
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, and I'm off this interview. Talk to us

1470
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 1: about where that Where did that clutch DNA come from?

1471
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: I think it comes from just not caring about feeling,

1472
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: you know, Like I was like, if I'm gonna make

1473
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: the play or not, I'm gonna hold my hair hot

1474
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 1: right through the next one. Like so I get the

1475
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 1: next one, fellas. But I had to install that in

1476
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 1: my teammates too, because like if you're in them situations

1477
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: and you let your teammates down and then you you

1478
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 1: kind of like corr up and they they're not lost them,

1479
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 1: you lose them. So like when I was in these moments,

1480
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of moments I didn't come through,

1481
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: but I'll be like, I'm sorry, I'm the next one.

1482
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: I got the next one I had that I had

1483
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: don't worry. I'm gonna get the next one. You gotta

1484
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: keep them gassed, like, Okay, we believe in p We're

1485
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna go to him. And then when I'm

1486
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 1: at that time, I come this way, come this way.

1487
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: You gotta show your team confidence in them situations. Whether

1488
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 1: you fail or you succeed, you gotta still show that later. Yeah,

1489
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go down and I'm gonna take it from

1490
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: the media after like all right, yeah, okay, next time,

1491
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 1: don't worry, it's gonna come. You know what I'm saying.

1492
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 1: But if I'll be like, man, I'll let everybody down,

1493
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: ain't nobody following that right talk. So you're heading home now,

1494
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: final year, come back and play with the team you

1495
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: possibly thought you could have been the number one pick two? Yeah,

1496
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,560
Speaker 1: and what was it your seventeen for you? Year seventeen?

1497
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: Year yeah, year eighteen. I come into the Clippers. So

1498
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 1: that was like just a a move, like all right,

1499
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: I'm coming home my rooms, doctors. Here's make the easy

1500
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: transition into retirement. I know I'm gonna live in Los Angeles,

1501
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: That's where you know, I'm from my family, And so

1502
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:27,560
Speaker 1: I was like I decided to make the move. You know,

1503
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 1: at that point, I don't know. I didn't have much

1504
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: left in the tank, so you know, I was just

1505
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 1: pretty much. I just was pretty much at the Country Club. Man. Truthfully,

1506
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 1: I come there and help the young guys. I'll go

1507
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: home be a mentor. You know. I didn't really play

1508
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: a live but I was ready. My mentor was ready

1509
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: for retirement. And towards the end, I was like, how

1510
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 1: my how can I just helped doctor, you know, play sparingly.

1511
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 1: But that had a real magical moment though at the Garden,

1512
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 1: your last time at the Garden. Talk to us about that, man,

1513
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: the way I could. I was watching the game and

1514
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: to see you come in and hit these motherfuckering shots,

1515
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm just like that. Yeah, my last game at the

1516
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 1: Boston Garden. That was special. It was like, damn, you know,

1517
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: when you retirement and I see it coming, I'm like,

1518
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 1: this is it. You know, this is the last time

1519
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna step on this garden floor. You know, it's like, damn,

1520
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: it's really it. You know, this is really it. You know,

1521
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 1: I played all these years and I'm like, damn. So

1522
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,839
Speaker 1: I had a chance to come in the last second,

1523
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 1: and man, when I look at my career, I'd be like, somehow,

1524
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 1: how did this keep having it? Like? You know, damn,

1525
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: you know. I hear my last shot at the end

1526
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 1: of the game in Boston Garden just then just wave

1527
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: him off. It was like, damn, it was supposed to happen. Cow,

1528
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to happen. Let me come in and knock

1529
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 1: one last shot. That's pressure. I was sitting the whole

1530
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 1: game and I come in like the last minute and

1531
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: it just stiff his head on. Stiff is held entire game,

1532
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: so you ain't touched the ball on. Yeah, I'm stiff

1533
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: as ill. But just you know, sometimes moments happen for

1534
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: a reason. I was putting the special moments where I

1535
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: could have knocked down one last shot in the guard

1536
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: Who was the owner when you got drafted for when

1537
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:15,680
Speaker 1: you wanted to get We're supposed to get drafted to

1538
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 1: the Clippers. Who was on the Clippers then Donald Sterling.

1539
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: So it's good it didn't happen. It's good it didn't happen. Right,

1540
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 1: I got just high post jobs. I just thought about that.

1541
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: You don't want to go to anyway, Funny. I care

1542
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: from California man Inglewood to to to be exact, and

1543
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: then to go into a city of Boston for so

1544
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: much history, but then the history of racism, and you're

1545
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: here and you're kind of just like, but you're here now.

1546
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: And then when it's all said and done, you got

1547
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 1: your number up in the rafts the birds. Yeah, and

1548
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: so are back. Talk to me about that. You know,

1549
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,600
Speaker 1: I never could have dreamed that one. You know, the

1550
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 1: dream was like hard, I don't want to grow, I

1551
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 1: want to play for the makers. I want to win

1552
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: the championship on I never would to drink that one.

1553
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: The Celtics. Yeah, you know that one was like the

1554
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 1: fathers of my dream, Like, I'm gonna be a Boston

1555
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 1: Celtics when the championship. Get my number retired in the

1556
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: Boston Guard from a care from l A. Who would

1557
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 1: have thought that? And I remember at my um and

1558
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: my retirement speech today the night and went up. I

1559
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: just remember saying like, man, it's so much history in

1560
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: this building and for me to be a part of it.

1561
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 1: I was like, if I never make the Hall of Fame,

1562
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: for me to get my number retired in Boston, Yes,

1563
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:41,560
Speaker 1: that's all I that's all I ever need to be

1564
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: up there with them legend. You know that that's crazy.

1565
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: When did you finally just kind of sit back and

1566
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: look because I don't I don't know. I didn't never

1567
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 1: do it until now, Like, when did you finally kind

1568
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 1: of sit back like god damn and just look at

1569
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: your soon to be all the fame career. Now I

1570
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: still do it, right, three years in the retirement, I

1571
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 1: still look back and like, man, I played nineteen years

1572
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: like it weren't. Man, I still look back like this

1573
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 1: is like, I guess you're right, because when youre in

1574
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 1: the middle of it, you're just in the middle of

1575
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: it the moment. So now, you know, sometimes I catch

1576
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: myself like, you know, let me look at some YouTube

1577
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: and me let me see if I could have played

1578
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,759
Speaker 1: in this era. And I'll be like, oh, yeah, yeah, okay,

1579
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, you catch yourself watch some of the old highlights. Yeah,

1580
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 1: I'll be like, you're someone And I said, I think

1581
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: Mellow gets this treatment to like, but I think more

1582
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 1: you because there was really no social media when you

1583
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: were when the truth started, like you get overlooked and

1584
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 1: disrespected as as someone who was one of the greatest

1585
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: small forwards in the history of the game, hands down,

1586
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 1: and people don't understand that and how does how do

1587
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 1: how does that make you feel? Does it? You know?

1588
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 1: It real hoopers like today? You know, yeah, perception is

1589
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 1: reality now. And you know because when a lot of

1590
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:01,600
Speaker 1: people think of my career, they only think of the

1591
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 1: Big Three. They don't think they didn't. They don't see

1592
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 1: the pre they don't see that part of my career.

1593
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 1: They only know the Big Three error with the reason

1594
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: why Braun had Yeah, and so like when it's always

1595
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 1: been like that for me. So it goes back to

1596
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: draft night. I got drafted number ten, looked I got

1597
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:28,839
Speaker 1: when I was supposed to go number This is nothing

1598
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 1: new for me. That's what Paul Pierce is. He's gonna

1599
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: be overlooked, probably under ratied sometime. But I'm fine with that,

1600
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 1: you know what. Real Like you said, real, hope, real,

1601
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: No real, real, no real, And that's I'm cool with that.

1602
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm cool with that. That's all that matters. We all

1603
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 1: been through a lot. Is there anything that you that

1604
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 1: you would go and change that you wish you can

1605
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: go back and change um on your career? You know what?

1606
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: I think we all go through things and all go

1607
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 1: through struggles for a re and you know, even from

1608
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 1: me being stabbed in the nightclub. Um, So I don't

1609
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 1: know if that. I don't think there's anything I would

1610
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: change my story because I think it kind of mode

1611
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 1: you to who you make you know, through the good

1612
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 1: through the bad. Um, it just emoes you, man. And

1613
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, now I can go back and tell my

1614
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: kids good stuff, the bad stuff, tell them who their dad,

1615
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, was, And I'm proud of it. Man. So

1616
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'm proud that certain things happened in my

1617
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: life that I was able to get through and and

1618
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 1: shape you. You know, it just tells you who you're

1619
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 1: gonna be your character, you know. So I'm happy. I'm

1620
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: happy with it all. Talk to me with real quick,

1621
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: what do you think would have happened if you would

1622
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: have got Ray and KG three or four years before?

1623
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 1: We talked about that, man, Me and Kevin Dude, we

1624
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 1: talked about that. Man. I remember he was in Minnesota.

1625
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: We at the end of the year, we're competing against

1626
01:25:58,360 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 1: each other like it's some playoffs. This is like the

1627
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: in the last games of the year wasn't very good

1628
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: and he wasn't going to playoffs Minnesota. I wasn't going

1629
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: to playoffs. So we're talking ship to each other, and

1630
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 1: I remember looking it was two thousand and five, I

1631
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 1: believe two thousand and six. I remember we're talking and

1632
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:15,600
Speaker 1: our with our owners sitting on the baseline. I'm at

1633
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 1: the free throw like this, KG is at the free

1634
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 1: throw line. I looked right at him and I was like,

1635
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: if we get him, we're gonna win the championship. During

1636
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 1: the game. This in the middle of the game. This,

1637
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm at the free throw line. You know about the

1638
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 1: box out owners sitting right there. This is how closer

1639
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 1: is on the baseline. K the freest said we get him,

1640
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna win the championship. That was three years before

1641
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:41,600
Speaker 1: we got him. Yelled it out. Everybody heard it. So

1642
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 1: everybody heard that what's up and didn't wind up happening.

1643
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:48,719
Speaker 1: I wish it could have happened sooner, right right, imagine

1644
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 1: that three four championships, possibly because you end up playing

1645
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:55,600
Speaker 1: with him in high school and winning the championship with

1646
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 1: him that it was as all meant to be talking

1647
01:26:57,720 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 1: about him, But we had him. We were lucky enough

1648
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 1: to have him on the show, and that's the first

1649
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 1: time I really got a chance to feel his energy

1650
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 1: off the court. Oh man, and it's it's it's it's similar. Yeah,

1651
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 1: but the energy, like you just feel his energy all

1652
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: day long. People gravitate towards Kevin. So like we play

1653
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 1: on playing rights. This is Kevin first getting on the team.

1654
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: So I remember we've been on playing rides and uh,

1655
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: you know, I had my little headphones on. I'm sitting

1656
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:26,600
Speaker 1: and you know, flying and then I look over he

1657
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 1: at the table, you know, how to plant the flights

1658
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: we had they had some of them had card tables.

1659
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 1: We played cards. So I look over Kg's sitting there

1660
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at like five six of the young

1661
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: guys sitting around him like a campfire, just like they

1662
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 1: gravitated toward them like that's and he just telling them

1663
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 1: stories and stuff and stories. Yeah, And I'm like, damn, so,

1664
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 1: you know, after playing with him for like three fot

1665
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 1: five years, I'm hearing the same stories over over the side,

1666
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 1: the stories cats, and I'm like, he put a little

1667
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:02,719
Speaker 1: more gas on it this time. But that's why people

1668
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: just gravitated to it. I was like, many he told

1669
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 1: me the story. He didn't do that the last time.

1670
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 1: Oh man, it was it was those But that's just

1671
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 1: showing his energy. How people just gravitated towards them. I

1672
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 1: mean we're sit in the locker room next thing, I know,

1673
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 1: after practice, we're here for like two hours just listening

1674
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 1: the cabin, chopping it up, like you don't even realize

1675
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: the time going by. Those are the moments you missed

1676
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 1: though when you're done. Like I don't miss basketball, I

1677
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: mean I haven't missed it, but you missed those times

1678
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: when you're just fucking with your people. Yeah, I mean

1679
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: that's just what it is, just a good the thing

1680
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: about it too. And yeah, off the course, yeah, bus ride,

1681
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 1: playing ride, and then we all go through the same stuff.

1682
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 1: We understand you've got some of that sitting we all

1683
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: brought us like just like before we outside, we're talking

1684
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 1: about all the same stuff we go through off the court.

1685
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Very similar, very similar. So

1686
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: you're transitioning into media and we'll get to the ESPN

1687
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 1: and what you're doing. But you got in the beef

1688
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: with way and this kind of goes to the social

1689
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 1: media era of people are not understanding who you are.

1690
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 1: And then you know Dwayne being uh you know, and

1691
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: all his greatness. But talk to us a little bit

1692
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 1: about how that kind of got going what happened? You know,

1693
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 1: I think that was like really a big misunderstanding because

1694
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 1: like I respect Wave the way we knew that. Yeah,

1695
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 1: but like for me as a competitor, you know, I

1696
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: think it was taken out of contest. Now, two questions

1697
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 1: was asked, were you better than Wade? Or do you

1698
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: have a better career? What you're supposed to say? You know,

1699
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 1: I was like, I think I'm better. You know, clearly

1700
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:36,560
Speaker 1: if you look at his accolades career wise, Yes, he

1701
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:40,719
Speaker 1: won three championships. Yes, he's one of the greatest two guards.

1702
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 1: Uh all Star MVP finals, MVP, you want the greatest

1703
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 1: finals ever. But I'm looking at it, like, do I

1704
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: think I'm a better player the way I said? Yes,

1705
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 1: I think I thought I had. I think I have

1706
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: more skill, I think I'm taller, I think I could

1707
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:58,679
Speaker 1: do everything he can do. On both fans. Now, that's

1708
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: what I was referring to. Now, whether you agree with

1709
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: it or you don't, that's who Even if you say

1710
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 1: that that's not but like it doesn't disrespect him, doesn't.

1711
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 1: And that's what I hate. How the media wants to

1712
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 1: spend ship and make it like a war when it's

1713
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: just when you really in depth, get to explain just

1714
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: where you're coming from. I don't have to demean him

1715
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 1: to be confident in myself and exactly, it wasn't me

1716
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: putting him down, like I respect way, I spect everything

1717
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 1: he's done for the game of basketball. This is not

1718
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 1: me putting him down. This is just like how I

1719
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:35,680
Speaker 1: felt when we won the championship. I went to a

1720
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 1: camp in Spain and it was like, um, how does

1721
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: it feel to Plague to beat the best player in

1722
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 1: the world. And I was like, wait, I'm the best

1723
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 1: player in the world, like this is what I said.

1724
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: And they made a big deal of it, and I

1725
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: was like, well, you know, I just coming off the championship.

1726
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm just coming off the finals MVP. I feel like

1727
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 1: I'm the best player in the world. And they blew

1728
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 1: that out of context. But why can I not feel

1729
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 1: like right, you know what I'm saying. Why can't I

1730
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 1: feel like that I got the chip and the trophy

1731
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 1: and the m v P. I'm not supposed to feel

1732
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 1: like that right now? Right, and so whatever, People don't

1733
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 1: take Paul Peers out of context that just whatever did

1734
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 1: you see yourself doing what you're doing now? Did you

1735
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 1: see yourself getting paid good money to to do it. No, man,

1736
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 1: I really didn't, but he see it. But like I

1737
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 1: had a chance to work the Finals while I was

1738
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 1: still playing, and I was like Las Last Girl and

1739
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 1: I was with the Clippers, and I was just like,

1740
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 1: should I do this every day? Like you know, you'd

1741
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 1: be in the locker room talking hoops Like I could

1742
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 1: easily talk hoops. I mean, this is my life. This

1743
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: is what I do every day. And so like I

1744
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 1: was like, I could I could do this shoot if

1745
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 1: I could just go on the studio talk some hoops,

1746
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: tell them where I feel about this, what I feel

1747
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 1: about that. I feel like I know the game so

1748
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: I can speak on it. Uh. And so it was

1749
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 1: just like kind of like it's kind of like broad

1750
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 1: to me. And I was like, you know, I couldn't

1751
01:31:56,080 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: see myself doing this, you know, And uh, it's worked out. Man.

1752
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 1: I enjoyed, Like y'all, y'all still we still talk the game.

1753
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 1: He's still sit around watch it, like the talking straight

1754
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 1: up and now I get paid for it. What's it?

1755
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,600
Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on the current climate of the Celtics. Man, Truthfully,

1756
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 1: before the season, I was like, Okay, they're gonna be

1757
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 1: all right. But now the way Jason Tam was playing,

1758
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 1: I feel like they can go to the Vinyl. I mean,

1759
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 1: he has tooking the next step a superstardom. And I

1760
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:34,560
Speaker 1: was like before it's like maybe, like you know, you

1761
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 1: gotta have that star to win, and he's turning into

1762
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: that right before our eyes. Like I mean, this run

1763
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:43,799
Speaker 1: is that he's on. I don't see it slowing down anytime.

1764
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 1: When it was like when I was just at the

1765
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: I went and watched them play and I was like, yeah,

1766
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 1: it's only a third year, and I was like, this

1767
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 1: is his third year. It feels like he's been in

1768
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 1: the league for a minute, right, Like I forget he

1769
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 1: was just a rookie playing against Lebron finals and I

1770
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 1: forget that and I forget I felt like I felt

1771
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 1: like it was his fourth or fifth year, but the

1772
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 1: third year to him doing what he's doing. I feel

1773
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 1: like the Celtist can get to the finals. I really do.

1774
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 1: And I'm always honest about them, Like I didn't think

1775
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 1: it last year. I said, No, I didn't think of

1776
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 1: the year you know before reform. No, No, I like

1777
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 1: them to play, but I'm like, but like, actually, I

1778
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 1: really think they can get to the finals. I mean,

1779
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:30,720
Speaker 1: Milwaukee they're good, but do we like really believe in

1780
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:33,800
Speaker 1: them like that? For us, I mean, yeah, they don't

1781
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 1: get the respect, but it comes in the playoffs. Yeah,

1782
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 1: I mean we're you gotta earn that. Like the ain't

1783
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 1: never won nothing like said the regular season and the

1784
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 1: Warriors have the greatest regular season, didn't win that year,

1785
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 1: almost kind of like waters a Day, Like, you gotta

1786
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:49,560
Speaker 1: get it in the playoffs to get that respect. Absolutely

1787
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 1: so Now after Milwaukee, it's like who else you see

1788
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 1: any comparisons with you entitle in his game? I see

1789
01:33:56,160 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 1: a lot of them. Man, he's smooth stuff. The people

1790
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:03,679
Speaker 1: don't know you you've been doing that. This side step three,

1791
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:05,800
Speaker 1: you don't know you've been doing See if we didn't

1792
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 1: have the social media, Yeah, the flash for all y'all,

1793
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 1: I don't know this new side staff that you'll see

1794
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 1: these trainers teaching these players. I'll been doing that. He's

1795
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 1: been doing that. That was the shot I took on

1796
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 1: our exactly exact shout out. You know a lot of

1797
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 1: bro Bro Bro Marcus Smart. I know you're a big

1798
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 1: fan of him. How well would fit man? Marcus is

1799
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 1: a throwback. He could play in any error in the

1800
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 1: n b A. I mean he fitting the mode, I

1801
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 1: mean tough. I think you need guys like him, and

1802
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 1: you know y'all fit that mode too. You need them

1803
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 1: guys like Stack like you, like Marcus, everybody who loves

1804
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 1: playing with those guys like Poesy. Like you can ask

1805
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,760
Speaker 1: any all star, m VP superstar, They're like, who your

1806
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 1: favorite is gonna be that cat right there that's gonna

1807
01:34:56,360 --> 01:35:01,560
Speaker 1: get in the trenches and do championship type plays like

1808
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 1: diving on the floor. I mean he want to guard whoever. Like,

1809
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 1: you need them guys to win, Pop and Steve Crazy

1810
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 1: said all the time, it's like an to winn the championship,

1811
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 1: you need a guy like Steve and Jackson need a

1812
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 1: guy like growing our test, need a guy like Tony.

1813
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:17,719
Speaker 1: You gotta have a guy like that because that's gonna

1814
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 1: be the glue guy, you know what I mean. He's

1815
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 1: gonna sacrifice sometimes more than anybody else willing to sacrifice

1816
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 1: on the team to win. Again, they need to have

1817
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 1: a special on this, like straight up huge position that

1818
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:31,680
Speaker 1: this like that's that story. I don't think it's been

1819
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 1: told and you don't get the outside respect to love.

1820
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 1: But like you said, you understanding respect and love you

1821
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 1: players like you understand and respect players like us, and

1822
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: we were the games. They don't understand it. Yeah, that

1823
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 1: story definitely gotta get told because I'm the showtime to

1824
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 1: tell them with us. Yeah, but when guys like us

1825
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 1: we hear from you, when we hear from Kobe, that

1826
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 1: means that means a lot to us that we know,

1827
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 1: we under We know we didn't get our props and

1828
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 1: some ship we did that we didn't get it. But

1829
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: at the same time we know we could play the game.

1830
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 1: We know we played it. Yeah. Yeah, like like like

1831
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 1: I said, for us, was posy, Posy was the glue.

1832
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 1: Like man, some people like who's James? Yeah, and they

1833
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 1: like who is that? Y'all better look it up? Like

1834
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 1: Blue Guys man that that that story needs to be told. Man,

1835
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:19,599
Speaker 1: I would love to watch that because there's a lot

1836
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:22,600
Speaker 1: of names that people need to recognize on on that.

1837
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 1: What's some of your favorite non Celtic teams? My favorite

1838
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 1: non Celtics team players to watch, players to watch today

1839
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 1: Westbrook for show who not like he's just like he

1840
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: don't get no respect. This dude got three straight years

1841
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 1: average in the triple dup, Like, he's not like how

1842
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 1: you don't get in the m v P people get

1843
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 1: it Already's ever gonna do this again with a dubbed though,

1844
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:54,759
Speaker 1: Nobody's ever? That's this is That's almost equivalent to saying

1845
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,680
Speaker 1: to Will's hundred, like, I don't think we'll see that, right,

1846
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that will ever. Nobody average a triple

1847
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 1: double three straight years with thirty. That's what I'm saying.

1848
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 1: It's not a little it's not hard to probably the

1849
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 1: most disrespected superstars we haven't again without a doubt. I

1850
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: mean then they Hall of famers already and they are

1851
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:23,560
Speaker 1: they disrespected, man, I mean that's what you're want to

1852
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 1: watch out for them straight up. Yeah. Thoughts on the

1853
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:29,680
Speaker 1: Battle of l A I love where the NBA is

1854
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 1: right now, especially in l a um bron Y a

1855
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 1: d PG doc. Oh, man, I gotta give that. I

1856
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 1: gotta get an edge two Clippers me too. I Mean,

1857
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 1: I just think they're tougher when it comes down to it.

1858
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:53,000
Speaker 1: They got more tough guys. I'll give them that, but

1859
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 1: all that don't win the game for you all the time.

1860
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 1: But the King's got to be the can, all right,

1861
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:01,720
Speaker 1: So tell me this, Jack, who's the glue guy that

1862
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 1: you need on the Lakers. Who's the glue guy right now?

1863
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 1: I think he got it. He just got inserted. But

1864
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:10,599
Speaker 1: I think he can come into that guy. Morris. Yeah,

1865
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 1: that Mars can be. They don't have him now. I mean,

1866
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 1: they don't don't have that glue guy now, but I

1867
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 1: think Marris can insert Today. They got three four of

1868
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 1: the men for the Clippers, and they added his twin

1869
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 1: brother to the other. How many guys are they gonna

1870
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 1: be able to throw with Lebron in the playoffs? It's

1871
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of my opinion, is the best

1872
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 1: player in the game. In my opinion, I mean, there's

1873
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 1: nobody that can go out and give you thirty and

1874
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 1: lock you up, really lock you up really like yeah,

1875
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 1: And I just look at it like if anybody had

1876
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 1: to imagine athletic Tim Duncan with Lebron James, you're seeing

1877
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 1: it right now, Anthony. Yeah, I've never seen Lebron with

1878
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:57,599
Speaker 1: the player like that. So that's why my sil I mean,

1879
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:01,880
Speaker 1: I know that's gonna be scary. You have the Clippers

1880
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 1: coming out of the West. You feel like I think

1881
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:04,680
Speaker 1: the Clippers come out of the West. I feel like

1882
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 1: they've got the best player, and he's the most clutch

1883
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:10,639
Speaker 1: player in the league. He definitely cla definitely clutch. Yeah,

1884
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 1: I got the Clippers out the East. I think it's

1885
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 1: a toss up, man, man. After earlier the year I

1886
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,560
Speaker 1: said I'm Milwaukee and I was sticking to it. But

1887
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 1: like now, I think the Celtics would come out there East.

1888
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Jason Tatum is different right now. I

1889
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 1: had a chance to watch it firsthand when when he

1890
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:34,120
Speaker 1: played against the Lakers and then he just recently and

1891
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 1: then he just played against Houston. No fear. He different. Now,

1892
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm telling y'all, he's different. He can match up. He

1893
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 1: can he can match what Jannice is doing right now.

1894
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 1: I agree. What music do you grow up on? Like,

1895
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 1: what'd you list to? I already know because we grew up.

1896
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:50,720
Speaker 1: I know some of the same ship. But what you

1897
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 1: what you ja? What you're jam growing up growing up

1898
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:57,759
Speaker 1: West coach yea the West Coast. So but it started early.

1899
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:00,560
Speaker 1: It was like early, like forty two or because I

1900
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 1: was born Spice. You know, I grew up on the mall.

1901
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 1: All man, you're bringing it back, you know, you know

1902
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,560
Speaker 1: you know. And then you know, when I moved to

1903
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 1: l A, it was all about Snoop Dre Park. Yeah.

1904
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 1: I never tried a chance to me. I saw a

1905
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 1: pop though. Okay, I saw him. I was in college

1906
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:24,680
Speaker 1: and I went down to Freak Nick. I don't know

1907
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 1: if you know Atlanta. It was like a holiday spring

1908
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 1: break Atlanta. You know, everybody go out there. And so

1909
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 1: I went out there in college and he was atlanticx

1910
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 1: Mall and so I just saw him walk by and

1911
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 1: I just saw a crowd of people around him. It

1912
01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:43,679
Speaker 1: was like just seeing his aura. It was like, man,

1913
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 1: I never met him, but I had a chance to

1914
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 1: like see him like and see him move. It's like

1915
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:51,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna pipe, like they're gonna pop from one artist

1916
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 1: to another. You pen something and you're a big fan

1917
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:57,760
Speaker 1: of Prince and name just yeah, Prince is a legend, man.

1918
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know rest in Peace. That was no. No,

1919
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 1: that's a dark skinning version of people. You know what's

1920
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:13,599
Speaker 1: so funny people guys is dressing like prints. Now, man,

1921
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 1: they killing and they know they're killing me. They dressed

1922
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 1: like friends on one Prince and he was doing this

1923
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:26,200
Speaker 1: thirty years ago. That's crazy. Shout out the pressure. That

1924
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 1: was his wag though he wasn't you know what I'm saying.

1925
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 1: That was just that was just his way. Oh you

1926
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:36,599
Speaker 1: want to do that again? Top five artists all time?

1927
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 1: You know you see we got our top five artists,

1928
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 1: your top five four order, top five all time. Well,

1929
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:48,280
Speaker 1: I got two of them. That's on this wall of

1930
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 1: course for show, Biggie and Tupac. And I'm gonna throw

1931
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 1: jay Z in there. Uh man, it's hard not to.

1932
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:02,920
Speaker 1: Just everybody gets stuck after those jay Z. Everybody gets

1933
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 1: stuck right there. All right, I'm gonna go off what

1934
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:07,160
Speaker 1: I used to what I who? I used to just

1935
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 1: always bump all the time. Oh damn, that's that's the

1936
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:18,960
Speaker 1: spine snoop snoop snoop for show. And then that last one.

1937
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm gonna have to go some throwback. I'm

1938
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:29,760
Speaker 1: gonna say Eric D and Teacher. I used to bump

1939
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 1: him that day was hard Rock Cam. I'm gonna say

1940
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:38,720
Speaker 1: Rock Cam. That's nice. We're in a nice space right now.

1941
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:40,680
Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough to battle a little bit with

1942
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 1: Stephen A. Smith on first Take about cannabis and sports. Yeah. Yeah,

1943
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:46,840
Speaker 1: just someone that's in the business in the States, what

1944
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:49,360
Speaker 1: are your thoughts over all the business of cannabis and

1945
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:53,479
Speaker 1: then athletes the cannabis. I mean, I think the more

1946
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,120
Speaker 1: and more people get the knowledge, you know, they're starting

1947
01:42:56,400 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 1: more accepted because like that's growing up. You look at

1948
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:02,600
Speaker 1: it as a people always look at cannabis as a

1949
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 1: gateway druy to other things, which is not gateway to snacks,

1950
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 1: gateway to that's all right, And I think it's been

1951
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:14,280
Speaker 1: widely accepted. And I'm in the cannabis business, you know,

1952
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 1: I do a wholesale um distributional Western Green Mamba and

1953
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:22,400
Speaker 1: so um. Yeah, so I'm in the I'm in the

1954
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:26,360
Speaker 1: space and uh, you know, I feel like it's there's

1955
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:29,600
Speaker 1: a place for it, and not only in sports, but

1956
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:31,680
Speaker 1: in just life, you know. I mean, the more and

1957
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 1: more you learn about it and learn to help, I

1958
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:37,680
Speaker 1: can help you. Um. You know, right now we're in

1959
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:40,800
Speaker 1: the middle of an opioids crisis and where people are

1960
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 1: like getting addicted and dying. If you have an alternate

1961
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:49,880
Speaker 1: um ways of medications such as cannabis, um, why is

1962
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:53,400
Speaker 1: there a big deal surrounding it? You know, we we

1963
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 1: don't look at alcohol the same way like that when

1964
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 1: we look at really stuff that's really killing you. We

1965
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:07,080
Speaker 1: don't frown upon, but were frowning upon. Cannabis actually helped sorts,

1966
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:10,879
Speaker 1: You got me. You know, hard alcohol sponsors are sponsoring

1967
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:13,559
Speaker 1: professional professional team you know, like you said, mother fucking

1968
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 1: Celtis are smoking cigarettes in the locker room. How many

1969
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:16,920
Speaker 1: people those take down it? You know what I mean,

1970
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:19,640
Speaker 1: like the real problems they don't look at. But I

1971
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 1: think because cannabis has been stereotyped as a black drug

1972
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:24,200
Speaker 1: for such a long time that it's really starting to

1973
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:28,879
Speaker 1: people realize that it's not it's no no color. Everybody,

1974
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:31,720
Speaker 1: you know, everybody partakes. And like you said, I think

1975
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,600
Speaker 1: the key is the education. Yeah, you gotts educated on

1976
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:39,800
Speaker 1: and then figure it out, you know, snow, big deal

1977
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 1: at all Quick hitters, favorite road crowd to silence New

1978
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:55,280
Speaker 1: York Knicks. Oh man, that was classic. That was classic.

1979
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:59,320
Speaker 1: Maybe more excited than you. I was my mom and

1980
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 1: I was in mom moment, like you know, I hit

1981
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 1: the game winner up and everywhere that picture, that picture

1982
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:09,040
Speaker 1: I got, that's the funniest picture ever. And they jumping

1983
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:12,599
Speaker 1: up and falling on his neck but still jump right

1984
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:17,880
Speaker 1: back up. All time clutch five, all time clutch. Who

1985
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 1: I think is clutch to top five for sure, Jordan's

1986
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 1: for sure, Kobe Um, Larry Bird a bird, I'm gonna say,

1987
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 1: Jordan's Bird Magic, gotta throw magic in there. I mean,

1988
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 1: I remember that. You know we still play that hook

1989
01:45:35,479 --> 01:45:40,160
Speaker 1: shot he hit in the garden um and last one

1990
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna give it up the d

1991
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 1: way Man, Yeah for sure, Yeah, I'm gonna give it up.

1992
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:51,800
Speaker 1: He up there like that toughest matchup in your career,

1993
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 1: toughest matchup. You know what I didn't say different people

1994
01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:59,360
Speaker 1: of a different time, because think about this, I have

1995
01:45:59,439 --> 01:46:15,960
Speaker 1: to play again, Vance, Carter, Mellow, Brown, Kobe t Mac Anyway. Yeah,

1996
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:18,800
Speaker 1: it's just thinking key on so many different ways, and

1997
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:20,639
Speaker 1: I think at some point all of them have giving

1998
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:25,680
Speaker 1: me forty. I've seen a picture allus on there and

1999
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 1: it's a smile of Kobe, and we all remember that

2000
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:34,800
Speaker 1: they had jay La Rose with two mouths because he

2001
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 1: had I mean, but I consistently go back because all

2002
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:48,880
Speaker 1: them guys are hard to guard. But like for me,

2003
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Mellow because Mellow made you feel it,

2004
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:59,479
Speaker 1: but like how he made you feel him feel his

2005
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:02,240
Speaker 1: points And what I mean by that is like he

2006
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:05,320
Speaker 1: gonna like use some shoulders all night in your chest.

2007
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:09,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna like he's gonna be physical, more physical than

2008
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:12,559
Speaker 1: all the rest of him with his forty and similar.

2009
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 1: I didn't appreciate that. That's what used to do, but

2010
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:19,200
Speaker 1: like for somebody to do that to you, like to

2011
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 1: appreciate that, you're like, damn like and it's his physicality

2012
01:47:24,439 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 1: the way he did it, you know, the rest of

2013
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:29,240
Speaker 1: them was more finessed with it for his physicality and

2014
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 1: giving it to you. Oh yeah, I hated that. I

2015
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:35,680
Speaker 1: like hated that, and so I'm gonna give it up

2016
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:39,080
Speaker 1: the mellow on that shout out. Oh man, that's a wrap.

2017
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:41,400
Speaker 1: We want to thank our guess, Paul Pierce. Man, it's

2018
01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:47,240
Speaker 1: good to be here. Appreciate for my fan man just

2019
01:47:47,320 --> 01:47:49,559
Speaker 1: coming about. I love what you're doing out here. Man,

2020
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:56,240
Speaker 1: straight up, don't we appreciate this begging segment? Yeah, bad man, Paul.

2021
01:47:56,400 --> 01:48:00,559
Speaker 1: Have always that Jack begs our guests for something. Jack,

2022
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 1: what you're making for today? Well, since the conversation is

2023
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:06,960
Speaker 1: going on, you got some grass, what kind whatever? Whatever

2024
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 1: your grass it has the highest level of turkeys or

2025
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:13,720
Speaker 1: the taste the best submits some of that. We was

2026
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 1: talking outside. He got a sick collection of Air Force ones.

2027
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 1: You need some wear, so do we. I got you,

2028
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:30,080
Speaker 1: I got your I got you. I got a box

2029
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:32,320
Speaker 1: coming your way. That's a wrap. We'd like to thank

2030
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:34,760
Speaker 1: our guests Paul Pierce for coming through. You can catch

2031
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:39,440
Speaker 1: us on Showtime Basketball YouTube channel or all platforms streaming podcasts.

2032
01:48:39,600 --> 01:49:06,800
Speaker 1: All Up. Mo Monroe is wanted for the financial terrorist

2033
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:10,040
Speaker 1: attack Black Monday. Black Monday was my idea. It's me.

2034
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:15,080
Speaker 1: It was a Wall Street himself. Mo Is back, baby,