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Speaker 5: I know, Seq, it's you.

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Speaker 3: Let's go around the roundtable. As I mentioned, my name

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Speaker 3: I want to combat all the good stuff. This is

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Speaker 3: Chuck mindenhall of the athletic. Are you anywhere else these days?

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Speaker 5: Aljaman, how are you doing, sir?

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Speaker 2: Doing good? So beautiful Friday morning.

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Speaker 3: aspect of it. The big fights are tomorrow. First, Al Jamain,

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Speaker 3: why don't you show the folks your cast if you can?

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Speaker 3: You and I talked about this on my radio show.

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Speaker 3: I have noticed this right, so real quickly we're gonna

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Speaker 3: I mean, do you want there to be a badsome

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Speaker 3: It's funny, you know what a Kumario would Colby keep saying,

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Speaker 3: Masvitol is a rejection of everything UFC two forty five

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Speaker 5: If you talk to those guys and even if you

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Speaker 6: And that's the strange part about a novelty, right because

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Speaker 5: The whole thing is a fiasco.

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Speaker 6: They can't do that. There's an expectation with this fight.

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Speaker 6: That's the strangest part to digest. It's like it's out

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Speaker 5: So to me, that is the strangest thing.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't that change the fight?

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Speaker 3: right he could, But dude, if he does that, he's

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Speaker 2: They kind of built it up for that. I mean,

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Speaker 5: So how do you how does that change the fight

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Speaker 5: Does it change? Okay, let me ask you this thing?

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Speaker 5: Which way you leaning?

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Speaker 3: What's interesting to me is like I remember covering when

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Speaker 5: From your teammates. But I remember, I never forget this.

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Speaker 5: I asked Jorge about this.

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Speaker 5: The media day for that one of the word old workouts.

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Speaker 3: It was in a UFC gym in the suburbs somewhere

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Speaker 5: And no one really knew who he was.

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Speaker 3: There was actually more Latin mediather to talk to Jorge

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Speaker 5: I mean it's kind of crazy. I mean, it's more

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Speaker 6: In March, he was writing a two fight losing streak.

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Speaker 5: Dude, he lost convincingly the wonder Boy. It wasn't close.

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Speaker 3: But this is my point, it's not really that ESPN

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Speaker 6: If he's not on Dan le Batard Show and he's

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Speaker 3: So it makes you wonder how many stories are not

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Speaker 3: being told? How much do I really know about you?

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Speaker 3: I've interacted you years, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I can't do.

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Speaker 5: What can I say? I really know you all that well?

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Speaker 5: I probably can. I mean I don't. You're a stranger.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like, did you know Jorgey? Did you know Jorgey? Nate

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Speaker 2: I just knew him as the backyard street fighting guy,

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Speaker 3: It's like real world versus road rules. It's a bunch

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Speaker 3: You know, Nate's rise to the UFC is like anti heroes,

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I mean I've been taking notes from

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Speaker 3: You know, it's just give me a change you either

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I still think that he came through in his

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Speaker 5: You know it, and I know it.

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Speaker 6: Nobody was really paying attention to him. Everybody knew him

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Speaker 6: it's set up that premise with Askar, and of course

436
00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,720
Speaker 6: it's a perfect storm. And then when he delivers that,

437
00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,800
Speaker 6: you're just like it enhances that effect of what we

438
00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,800
Speaker 6: saw from the backstage guy.

439
00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, who, that's true.

440
00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,879
Speaker 6: The Edwards.

441
00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:48,720
Speaker 3: You yeah, and certainly know it's funny though, did you

442
00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:53,200
Speaker 3: guys watch those things that video series that Masdell produced

443
00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,840
Speaker 3: for himself, The Diaries of a Streets. We got this

444
00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,720
Speaker 3: guy Genghis Khan who used to do all these highlight

445
00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,479
Speaker 3: reels back in the old Pride Days and put them

446
00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,560
Speaker 3: on the mixmrtial arts dot com. He old the old

447
00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,840
Speaker 3: underground forum. You know what's funny, he actually left out

448
00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,800
Speaker 3: the Leon Edwards part. Did you see that?

449
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:08,320
Speaker 5: Interesting?

450
00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,160
Speaker 3: He didn't tell that because he doesn't want to give

451
00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,160
Speaker 3: that guy any shot at all.

452
00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,359
Speaker 6: And just like like a media call when he's like,

453
00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,560
Speaker 6: don't mention the names, I'll hang up. Yeah, basically I

454
00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:17,960
Speaker 6: don't mention the name, don't want give them anyone.

455
00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,040
Speaker 5: Did you hear that? Like if you could say, if

456
00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,840
Speaker 5: you asked them like, hey what about Leon Edwards? Click?

457
00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,080
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's an interesting thing to me.

458
00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,199
Speaker 3: The answer is, you know, guys can tell their own

459
00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,159
Speaker 3: story the way they want, like it's it's his YouTube,

460
00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:27,880
Speaker 3: you can do it that way.

461
00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:29,560
Speaker 5: It does leave out something.

462
00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,399
Speaker 3: He left up the three piece in the soda line,

463
00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,520
Speaker 3: like they all just kind of crystallize for everyone, Like,

464
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Speaker 3: oh my god, this is an interesting moment. And that's

465
00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,879
Speaker 3: you mentioned about the self promotion, like obviously it's very

466
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Speaker 3: expensive to hire Genghis Khan Productions to do your thing.

467
00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,159
Speaker 3: Dude that has like you have seen this stuff like that?

468
00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,520
Speaker 3: You want to talk about capable storytelling? Tyron Woody does

469
00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,320
Speaker 3: the champ camp Jail owns YouTube. It seems to me

470
00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,600
Speaker 3: like YouTube has been like a really underutilized thing.

471
00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,960
Speaker 5: But for fighters, do you have your own YouTube? Chaniel?

472
00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,560
Speaker 2: I do, Yeah, I'm fine just now getting it like

473
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Speaker 2: up and running with my own stuff. I do a

474
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,359
Speaker 2: lot of like self vlogging things. But it's really hard

475
00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,800
Speaker 2: to do that obviously when you're hitting pads or you're sparring. So,

476
00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,359
Speaker 2: like I said, it's tough to hire good people who

477
00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,919
Speaker 2: could come around and really produce some solid quality content

478
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,400
Speaker 2: that I would actually.

479
00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,040
Speaker 5: Agree with you subtly the next step for you. There

480
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:16,800
Speaker 5: a last thing about this.

481
00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,320
Speaker 3: People keep asking me, and the answer is I tend

482
00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,240
Speaker 3: to believe the UFC on this one, but one never knows.

483
00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,960
Speaker 3: Will they continue the BMF title? Should they continue with

484
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:24,560
Speaker 3: Do you think?

485
00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,240
Speaker 2: I hope? So? Yeah, I want to fight for it.

486
00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,600
Speaker 5: A lot of people like an open weight I don't know.

487
00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,639
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's that was my whole thing. I'm like,

488
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,480
Speaker 2: is this gonna be an open weight class kind of

489
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,200
Speaker 2: thing or like the BMF title.

490
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,480
Speaker 5: At maybe way maybe it's like a aton.

491
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,200
Speaker 6: It just kind of goes through, it goes back down,

492
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,159
Speaker 6: so down the way it goes back up. I think it,

493
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Speaker 6: you know, it remains to be seen only because this

494
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,160
Speaker 6: could be a bad experiment and the end it really

495
00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 6: could be. I mean, that's just the way the UFC,

496
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 6: that's the way MMA is. Some things have these intentions.

497
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,399
Speaker 6: This this has such a different feel to it. I

498
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,879
Speaker 6: feel like because fighter I've heard so many fighters kind

499
00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,119
Speaker 6: of talking about it's almost like it's it's organically he

500
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,160
Speaker 6: becomes something on its own. I could see them if

501
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 6: as long as the fight lives up to expectations and

502
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:07,639
Speaker 6: they make kind of a big deal we've got the

503
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Speaker 6: rock and they're kind of presenting all that stuff. As

504
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,160
Speaker 6: long as that kind of all comes across, I feel

505
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,639
Speaker 6: like they I don't see why they wouldn't continue.

506
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,639
Speaker 3: I think all these guys hating on it, I'm not

507
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 3: to say that are not fair objections to it, because

508
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 3: you know, you saw who was a Lumachenko this week

509
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 3: became like the WBC franchise champion.

510
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 5: What the fuck is a franchise? That's something you give

511
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,200
Speaker 5: to somebody who works in fast food or something. I

512
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 5: don't even know, you know what I'm saying.

513
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:31,680
Speaker 3: So it was just these weird things you don't want

514
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,399
Speaker 3: to go down that title where you're just handing or

515
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 3: that road, or you're just handing out these manufacturer titles.

516
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 3: On the other hand, let's say Nate gets it and

517
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 3: he's got the sunglasses on at the post fight presser,

518
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 3: and he's got the belt with him. It's a joint

519
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,120
Speaker 3: and joint and the whole thing. You mean to tell

520
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,640
Speaker 3: me fighters aren't going to covet what he has. Absolutely

521
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 3: that sounds insane to me that people aren't gonna want that.

522
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 3: So it's a question of I think how each guy,

523
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 3: depending on how they win, ultimately uses it and then

524
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 3: parades it. It's gonna be interesting to see lasting on this.

525
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 3: What do we think two forty four cells more pepper

526
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Speaker 3: View buys some title fights.

527
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 5: It's different, it's different. I think it does tell me why.

528
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 6: I think that this this particular fight card, given the

529
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,400
Speaker 6: the you know, the main event, has a bigger presence

530
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,400
Speaker 6: in the casual sense, Like I think the people who

531
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 6: are not diehards will probably tune in for this one

532
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 6: a little bit, whereas the other one. I feel like

533
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 6: it will be more of a diehard affair.

534
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 5: The other one's more of a grudge match.

535
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Speaker 6: Though true, I don't know I mean, we'll see right

536
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 6: now though that would be my goodness. See, I think

537
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 6: that this one, man. I mean, just you see two

538
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 6: forty one. I was kind of shocked because I wasn't

539
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,719
Speaker 6: sure in what form Diaz would return as fanfare, but

540
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 6: it was ridiculous.

541
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,120
Speaker 5: I felt like it was. I was there.

542
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 6: It was just ridiculous, the feel and the building, the way,

543
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 6: you know, he showed up for only one real press

544
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 6: event and it was like it was viral within seconds,

545
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. I just feel like the guy,

546
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 6: he's there, you know what I mean. I think it'll

547
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 6: kind of prove itself this weekend.

548
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of agree with that, But at the

549
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: same time, I do think with the grudge match, I

550
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 2: do think people want to finally see if Kobe gets

551
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: shut up or but then, yeah, Masvidal and d that's

552
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 2: a different. It's a different it's a fighters fighter. It's

553
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 2: the people are going to be more willing to want

554
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 2: to watch those type of guys. So I do agree

555
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 2: with that. It's it's it's tough, man. It's really tough

556
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 2: for me to be like this is going to sell

557
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: for sure, because again, three title fights, who is it?

558
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 3: Valentina it's you know, it's Amanda's defending, and then Volkanovski

559
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 3: and Max and then Horse Kmaro and Kolby.

560
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Speaker 6: They're all quiet though, except for that the main event.

561
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 6: The other ones are just kind of quiet. Title fight, yeah,

562
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 6: Max is very quiet.

563
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think having three title fights on the

564
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 2: line should helps sway the numbers in like past the

565
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand threshold, I would think, I mean, I

566
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: would hope, so you got three title fights. I mean,

567
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,959
Speaker 2: those guys better be pulling in those numbers out right.

568
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 6: For Kolbe, yeah, you find out does he have that?

569
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. I think Kolbe pulls way more

570
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 3: than people. Yeah, he pulls way more than his detractors

571
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 3: or ever willing to admit. On the other hand, you

572
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 3: will always have to say, if Daz and masvit all,

573
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 3: if they had the same rivalry that Kamorrow and Kolbe had, Dude,

574
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 3: this would be I think it's absolutely huge. We could

575
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 3: blow up.

576
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 6: Still, you know, there's time obviously after this. Oh you'll

577
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 6: see kind of how Colbey handles it. It's his big moment, right,

578
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like this is his time. He

579
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 6: kind of at UFC two thirty five, he kind of

580
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 6: showed up, remembered the megaphone and his political stuff, and

581
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 6: he kind of took the spotlight off of the fighters

582
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 6: that time, which was kind of crazy because there's a

583
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Speaker 6: lot of title fights.

584
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 5: On that one.

585
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 6: But uh, I feel like we'll kind of get a

586
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 6: good sense of how how masterful he can play this game,

587
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 6: you know what I mean.

588
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 5: So let's transition. You have something else you want to do?

589
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 2: No, No, he's I guess he's supposed to be here for.

590
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 5: The presser from yeah today this afternoon.

591
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 2: You see how that goes.

592
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got Trump in the billion and have Colby

593
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 5: in the villain.

594
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: It's gonna be Yeah, Trump gonna get booed or no,

595
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: you think, oh yeah, I think I think it'll be mixed.

596
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 3: Really yeah, Well, because Newark is a blue state. Yeah,

597
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: but you know, Mma is kind of maga, you know

598
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

599
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: So it'll be like he'll get booted, He'll get shit.

600
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, I feel like it's gonna be boots

601
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 3: Well you think, so, yeah, we'll say it'll be interesting.

602
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 5: Should bet be interesting to find out one way or

603
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 5: the other line.

604
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 3: So then we go now to the co main event

605
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 3: or you know, such as you can call it that

606
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: the Kelvin Gastolm Darren Till fight. I don't know if

607
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 3: you guys saw the way ends this morning. Darren Till

608
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 3: made weight one eighty six, looked awesome, had abs smile

609
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 3: on his face, didn't you know? It looked like he

610
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 3: was cutting weight, but not any kind of severe sense.

611
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 3: And this poor bastard had to deal with all the

612
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 3: travel issues, didn't get here till yesterday of all places.

613
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 3: Couldn't settle into a rhythm if that were you and

614
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 3: you were going Now he's going up a weight class,

615
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 3: but still that's by weight class. You should have been

616
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 3: at a long time anyway to not be able to

617
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 3: settle into fight week until the day before and early way,

618
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Speaker 3: And how hard would that be as a fighter it

619
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Speaker 3: would be.

620
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Speaker 2: I think that would be pretty difficult. I mean, I mean,

621
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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you can't let it

622
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 2: phase you. You got to try to talk yourself out of

623
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: that to not let it affect you whatsoever. But that's

624
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: pretty hard to do when you have to, especially for myself,

625
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: I cut a ton of weight. But again he did

626
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: go up a weight class, So hopefully the weight cut

627
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: wasn't too severe as it was before, which it didn't

628
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: look like it was. So I'm interested to see how

629
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: it play out and against him. But I do think

630
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: that would bother me for sure. I think you have

631
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: to accimate he's coming from what five miles of five

632
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,479
Speaker 2: hours away? Yeah, yeah, so he's got a he's got

633
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: quite a way of he's good adjusted in a day.

634
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's pretty tough with.

635
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 5: The time zones, right.

636
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

637
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 3: On the other hand, though, he's coming off those two

638
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 3: terrible losses. Right, Tyron whooped him and then so did Hey,

639
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 3: he didn't have to answer for any exactly. That's what

640
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 3: I was thinking, too. Has skipped all the hell part

641
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: of having to go through his weight cut or whatever.

642
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 3: However she was gonna cut.

643
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Speaker 6: And do media, which I always think would would be

644
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 6: the worst part of it. He kind of got out

645
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 6: of that part of it. So if there's a If

646
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,479
Speaker 6: there is a silver lining, I feel like it's that.

647
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 5: Did you talk to Kelvin Gastlam yesterday? I did not know.

648
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: I did. For a little while. I got to read

649
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: that he was super annoyed with everything.

650
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, can you.

651
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 3: Imagine the set in the sense that like is he

652
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Speaker 3: a pro? He's a pro, right, he just dealt with it.

653
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: But you could tell having to answer for himself and

654
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 3: then having to answer for Darren because there's no one

655
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,719
Speaker 3: to ask Darren questions, so they're gonna ask questions about Darren.

656
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 5: To Kelvin, you could tell it was wearing.

657
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 6: And asking questions before we knew for sure if till

658
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 6: was going to be in there about a third party

659
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 6: jumping in and having to face this guy, like, I mean,

660
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 6: there was just so many sidelines.

661
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 5: Fact so jaredy cannoneer, by the way, was the only

662
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 5: one who missed weight. I think he started eating as

663
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 5: soon as he even filled with the fight was on.

664
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 3: In any event, that what are you making this match

665
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: up here? To me, it's like, look, I don't like

666
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 3: doing predictions because I feel like you can do predictions

667
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: at MMA, but it requires a lot of scholarship each time.

668
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: This is a tough five for Darren till Man the

669
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 3: weight class. It was funny I asked Kelvin. I was like,

670
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: where does till rank in the terms of the size

671
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 3: of middleweights you faced? He was like, He's one of

672
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 3: the smaller middleweights I've ever faced. Like to Chris Widman,

673
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 3: you're a teammate. How big is he? He ain't that big.

674
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 3: He's not Chris Wibman's size, like Chris Wiman. Ultimately beat

675
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 3: Kelvin Gasclon, but you know, Kelvin was competitive with him early,

676
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 3: certainly in the stand up department.

677
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 5: He seems to think that been one the smaller ones.

678
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 3: Now there is a high differential which makes the clinch

679
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: kind of interesting, especially for a Waits Eie guy. But

680
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 3: coming off those two losses, man, you know this one

681
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 3: and we'll talk about the Kevin Lee and the Gillespie fight. Dude,

682
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: these are fights that would not happen in boxing and

683
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: they're happening here. What do you think of the challenges

684
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: for both guys in this particular contest.

685
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: Well, Darren Hill going up a weight class, seeing how

686
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: he's gonna do with that. But the same thing that

687
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: he said about Darren Till, Gaslam's also on the same

688
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: side of he wasn't the biggest one eighty five pounder.

689
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 2: He's not very tall. He used to be a seventy pounder,

690
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: just had troubles making weight, the same thing as Darren Till.

691
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: But Darren Till's got the biggest size in the Biggert frame.

692
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: The one thing I will say is Gaslam typically drops

693
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: everybody that he fights. So that punch, yeah, was it

694
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: the overhand left or the straight left?

695
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a south Paul, that's right. And the end

696
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 5: the head kick. Remember he rocked out a signia with it.

697
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I thought he dropped him with the hands

698
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: though with he rocked.

699
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 5: Him with the head kick.

700
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 3: Okay, he hurt him with the hands and hit him

701
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 3: with the head kick, and that's when he did the

702
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: stumble against the fence and then Gaslam shot for the takedown.

703
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: We're like, okay, but I thought he dropped him in

704
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: the first round with.

705
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 5: Oh he might have yes, Yeah, but it was yeah,

706
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 5: you're right, okay.

707
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: And then I know it went back and forth. But yeah,

708
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 2: when I said, well look at that, I'm like, he's

709
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: really because he's the lighter guy, he's gonna be able

710
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 2: to hop in and out. He has a really good

711
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: fight style where he's kind of on his toes and

712
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: he's very kind of like just relax and that hafielo

713
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: cadero style. I'm very interested to see how he applies

714
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: his wrestling, if he does or if he just trusted

715
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: in his hands and his speed to to take out

716
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: a very tough Daryntel. And I think him not cutting

717
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 2: all that weight gives him a better chin. But I

718
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: don't know how hard he spars. I don't know if

719
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 2: he gave his brain time to recover from the last

720
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: two knockouts. Well, he got knocked out by Joorge and

721
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: oh and Willie Yeah, but he got dropped hard, yeah,

722
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: and it was a lot of concussive blows. So I

723
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: don't know if he gave his body the proper time

724
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: to heal. And that's a very big thing. I think

725
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 2: people kind of underestimate that giving your body and your

726
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: brain time to recover so that you can have some

727
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: longevity in your career, especially for the next flave.

728
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 5: We think it's a tough ask, man.

729
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 6: It's a tough ask for till to go in there

730
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 6: against a guy like Gasolon, who Widman is the only

731
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 6: guy who's really definitively finished him. His other his other

732
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 6: loss are split decisions. They're like they're very close fights.

733
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 6: He's just such a tough out. He's the definition of

734
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 6: a tough out, like for a guy who should beat

735
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 6: him or something like that, and he just I feel

736
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 6: like he's heavily slept on all the time, Kevin gasloon.

737
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 6: But this is the one time where you see a

738
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 6: fight and you're like, ooh, what is Why is Darren

739
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 6: Till going? If he's going to move, why didn't he

740
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 6: go with somebody a little bit? You know, he's into

741
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 6: that weight class a little bit. I just feel like

742
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 6: it's a very tough ask. If he shines through it,

743
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 6: it's going to look great for him, and he can

744
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 6: kind of like, I don't know, you know, you kind

745
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 6: of do the musical chairs where you take a spot

746
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 6: in the pecking order type thing. But man, if he loses,

747
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 6: I just it'll feel a little bit unnecessary to make

748
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 6: that lead.

749
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: You know what, I can never tell with MMA because

750
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: it is a different sport obviously, But here's what I mean.

751
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 3: I can never tell if MMA is slowly learning that

752
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: boxing was right all along about what I feel like

753
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: they are, or or if if we are allowed to

754
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: do things differently. You know, I can never really tell

755
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: which what because to me is like if Kevin Lee

756
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: will talk about in a second, but if Kevin Lee

757
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: loses in a fight he did not have to take

758
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: and yes, Till has a like Kevin Lee and Giles.

759
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 3: We are not equivalent to Till and Gasolum because if

760
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 3: Till beats Gastlum, he rockets to the top of the

761
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: rankings in a way where I mean, they don't have

762
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: anyone for Israel to fight like. I don't think it's

763
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: I don't think it's likely he gets the out of

764
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: sign and fight, but I don't think it's impossible either.

765
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: Crazy Kevin Lee would not be in that particular situation.

766
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 3: But suffice to say, it's like, dude, they like what

767
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: is I asked Kevin Lee this yesterday, What is so

768
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 3: bad about a tune up fight?

769
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 5: Man?

770
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 3: In the UFC, there's not many? He goes nothing. I

771
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: just don't want one. Why don't MMA fighters?

772
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 5: Again?

773
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: I realized in UFC there's not many tune ups, like

774
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: there's not many easy fights.

775
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 5: I get that.

776
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: But he didn't have to take a Lespie and Dana

777
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: even said we don't. You don't have to fight Gaslum,

778
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: And yet here we are. What's happening.

779
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I know when I came

780
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: off my two fight losing streak, and even that it

781
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: was it was actually the loss of Marlon. After the

782
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: lost to Marlon, I wanted to get someone within the

783
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: top five to kind of bounce back, and they kind

784
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: of just told me like no. So it's kind of

785
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: funny hearing it on this side, where you know, he

786
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: opted not to take the tune up fight as we

787
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: would call it. But again, there's no easy fight in

788
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: the UFC. Once you're there, you better be ready to

789
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: take on all challenges. But at the same time, there

790
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: are guys who are a little bit further down the

791
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: total pole that he could have probably fought just to

792
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: get back in the win column, proved that he's still

793
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: a dominant for us and give him back a little

794
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: bit of that confidence that he used to have, that

795
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: little bit of that swag. I think he was riding

796
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: his horse pretty high. He lost to Tony Ferguson, had

797
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: a really good run against him, had him in the

798
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: mount and looked like he was gonna get him out

799
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: of there even with the staff infection, and then came

800
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: up short, ran into Ally Quinton once again. He thought

801
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: he was filling himself a little too much, and again

802
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: all took that thunder away from him. And and then

803
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: the RDA fight. I thought he kind of just misused.

804
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: His strategy was kind of misguided. I think his energy

805
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: consumption was very off. He was kind of squeezing in

806
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: the wrong points. Wasn't supposed to be squeezing so much

807
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: against the cage. Kind of just lean on him, let

808
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: him carry your body weight. But instead he kind of

809
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: forced the issue a little bit too much. And as

810
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: a wrestler, I know how taxing that is. I was like,

811
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: there's no way this. I could do that for twenty

812
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: five minutes. Nobody humanly possible without some extra stuff, you know,

813
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: the subs can do. That's just an insane pace, you know.

814
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: But again, he should have probably taken an easier fight.

815
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: But this glesslie's a sleeper man. People don't really know

816
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: much about him, but that guy's a workhorse.

817
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 5: I think they're about to find out.

818
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 6: Let me ask you something, man, because I feel like

819
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 6: this is a strange fight in the setup, because you

820
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 6: have two different you have momentums going different directions. You

821
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 6: don't see that that often. You'll see sit more and

822
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 6: more these days, But back in the day, it was

823
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 6: always guys on winning streaks or face, guys on losing

824
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 6: streaks to face does it matter? Liked how much of

825
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 6: the previous one you had a two fight losing streak.

826
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 6: How much did it matter to you who you're facing,

827
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 6: Like it did it matter if the guy was surging,

828
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 6: if he was winning six in a row, would it

829
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 6: mattered to you?

830
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: I mean it didn't, but it did at the same time,

831
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: because I know if you lost to that guy, then

832
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: you it almost kind of crushes your ego a little bit, like, ah, man,

833
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: I'm really just don't belong at the top of the

834
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: pack anymore. If you got this guy coming up who

835
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: still hasn't fought No.

836
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: One in the top ten, and you're how old right now?

837
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: I'm thirty thirty, okay, Solred you were what twenty eight ish?

838
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: When that when the when the reclamation begin, when you

839
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: go back on the winning strack.

840
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then the other side of it is like

841
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: if you if you don't get that, it's it's I

842
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: think it's just very tough. Depending on the individual and

843
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: how you approach the game. Your whole mental is super

844
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: important because if this, if he loses, I can only

845
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: imagine what that's what that can potentially do to him

846
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: from here on out. I think at this point he

847
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: probably gets one more and then that's it. Very few

848
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: people who recovered from this, do you guys?

849
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: Ce Cup Swanson against Chrome Grays, he wins, and he

850
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: could barely hold back the tears now because all he

851
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 3: wanted it wasn't just a win for wins sake.

852
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, can I do this right anymore?

853
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 5: Can imagine what it's like pulling back a bowstring and

854
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 5: let go right?

855
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 6: Like it's these guys, are the psychology heading into a

856
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 6: fight when you're on a losing streak, I presume, but

857
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 6: I know from the outside looking in, the psychology is

858
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 6: always the especially when you're going against like the less

859
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 6: people people project to be kind of a problem in

860
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 6: the division who might be a champion someday. Everybody expects

861
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 6: you to lose, like the psychology Vegas expects you to lose.

862
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 6: The fans are talking about it like you're kind of doomed.

863
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 6: There's a sense of there's a dark cloud over the

864
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 6: whole thing, you know what I mean. And I feel

865
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 6: like that's the strangest part about this Kevin Lee fight.

866
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 6: It's like, you take it, but the psychology is.

867
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 5: All wrong for you.

868
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 6: Everything going on in this fight around it is just

869
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 6: like oof, this looks bad for it.

870
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: The weird part for me, and this is one I

871
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: have a little hard time with. It's till is the

872
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: first fighter that Kevin Gaslim has fought that's younger than

873
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: him in the UFC.

874
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 5: It's the first time he's faced a younger opponent.

875
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: He's what twenty five, twenty six something like that, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

876
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: And then you got Kevin Lee, who's I think, what

877
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 3: twenty seven, and we're about to bury these guys. Wow,

878
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: like because both could lose, Both could absolutely lose this

879
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: weekend and then well that's it for them.

880
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 5: Why I even said this?

881
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 2: Said kid?

882
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: I said this, But I said this to Kevin Lee yesterday.

883
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: He was like, oh, I got to get my mind right.

884
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 3: And I'm like, Kevin, why can't we just say this,

885
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 3: You face a guy and Ali Quinto had a better job, right,

886
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: and you couldn't finish them from the back. Why can't

887
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: we say you want have the RDA, you had a

888
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 3: bad strategy, and you're still working at your game.

889
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 5: You're twenty seven. Was your game as good at twenty

890
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 5: seven as it is now at all?

891
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: So this is what I'm saying. It's like, why can't

892
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 3: it just be your young and getting better. Why do

893
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 3: we have to put these like this is it, oh

894
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: my god, blah blah blah narratives.

895
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 5: It seems oppressive, and actually.

896
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 6: That's all it is, the way it is. I mean,

897
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 6: that's just the way it's set up. I agree with you,

898
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 6: and you've done a good job, i'd say, over time

899
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 6: of making you know, kind of edgecing like, hey, this

900
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 6: isn't the end. And we've seen it in a man

901
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 6: man times. It's not like boxing Orlowski's in this car.

902
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 6: You might tell you exactly me very times that dude

903
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 6: has been down all of a sudden he's back, and

904
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 6: so it's crazy.

905
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: Right, he has all these resurgences.

906
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 6: I remember you what you lost like two in a row,

907
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 6: but you had three out of four. I can remember

908
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 6: people talking about you that way. They were like, you know,

909
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 6: maybe you weren't going to be the champ or whatever

910
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 6: that they thought.

911
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 5: I mean, everybody I know four in r really.

912
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: Young, and you know I went with strategies that I

913
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 2: did not think would hurt me. You know, I did

914
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: things that just now I know what the experience looking back, like,

915
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: all right, this is the proper way you should have

916
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: handled that. If I had done it this way, maybe

917
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: it was a different, different outcome, but at this at

918
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: the end of the day, those are the fights you

919
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: need to grow. So even with Kevalie, man, I think, uh,

920
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: I think a three round Kevalie is so much tougher

921
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: and harder to deal within a five round Kevin Lee

922
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: because you know, he always has those gas tank issues

923
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 2: in those big fights like that. That's why he has

924
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: a good chance with this one. He's bigger than Gillespie.

925
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: Gillespie's not the biggest fifty five. He's on the smaller

926
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: side for sure, and I think that could play a

927
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: big factor in this fight as well. But I think everything,

928
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: like you said, it has to come down to the psychology.

929
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: Two losses, and in a pretty big way too. It's

930
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: not like, yeah, you know, have you ever trained with Gillespie?

931
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: We did when we when he first started, I don't

932
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: think he even had you know, he didn't have a

933
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 2: fight yet.

934
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 5: OK.

935
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: But the guy is very He's intense, bro intense. He's

936
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: very committed. And even back then, I think I was

937
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: five and oh all the time and I submitted him

938
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: a couple of times and he was getting like fished

939
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: at me. I was like dude, I would hope that

940
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: I can see. I'm like, but you know, he was

941
00:36:54,640 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 2: a national champion. Yeah, very competitive, which I respect a

942
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: certain respect him. I was like, yeah, but you should

943
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: want it to like figure out like what I'm doing

944
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: so that you can use that against me the next time.

945
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: And I was like, dude, this is a kind of

946
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: a little bit of a weird relationship. I mean, we

947
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: don't we have Yeah, we haven't trains is then together.

948
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: It's wait, fish, we're cordial guys. We're cordial guys. So

949
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: I respect his game. I know he's a very tough dude.

950
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: I would love to still train with him, but I'm

951
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: sure he's probably a much different space back then. You know,

952
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: he's probably looking at me like this d three wrestler.

953
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 2: I should squash him with just one hand, right.

954
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: Right, and all the bigger guy too. W here's the

955
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 3: thing about the Kevin Lee fight too. The one thing

956
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: we haven't gotten into is the Faraza hobby. Angle spoke

957
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: to Farraz yesterday and I was like, oh, no, I

958
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: know you're not going to give away the game plan,

959
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: but hey, what's the game plan? It's my favorite question

960
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: to ask. And he was like, look, man, it's not

961
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: a secret, like we're going to stuff to take down

962
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 3: and we're going to strike with this guy, like we're

963
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: not going Yes, you have to fight fire with fire

964
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 3: a little bit, obviously.

965
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 5: Yeah you can't.

966
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 3: It's it would be weird to go to a Gregor

967
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 3: lesbian fire thing and we don't have to wrestle, like

968
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: you're going to have to wrestle obviously. But they were like,

969
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 3: we're not going to play his game. We're not gonna

970
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 3: get into this. We're just gonna dustin. Poorie had got

971
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: into this position with Habib where he was like, Okay,

972
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: my biggest task is to get on my feet. But

973
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: if that's your biggest task, there's no authorites, like you

974
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 3: have nothing behind that. They want to avoid that space.

975
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: What do you think about the addition of Faraza Hobby

976
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: in this whole equation doesn't hurt man?

977
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like that guy's track where record

978
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 6: speaks for itself. I feel like I like him for

979
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 6: the reason you said he's not He's not like other guys.

980
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 6: I don't feel like he's dealing in superstitions and he's

981
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 6: not dealing in like worried about telegraphing what he wants

982
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 6: to do. You know, he's pretty open about stuff, and

983
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 6: I think he's a good game planner obviously with GESP

984
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 6: working with GESP all that.

985
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 5: Time, one of the best game planners going.

986
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 6: Man, I feel like he I trust, I would trust

987
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 6: his game plan if I'm going into a fight.

988
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's yeah, definitely a big addition, especially with the

989
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: loss of his form a head coach, Robert Fallis. So

990
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: I think he was missing that key factor of a

991
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 2: coach being in his air and really keeping him dialed

992
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: in in those big moment fights that probably could have

993
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: maybe even gone the other way had his coach been there.

994
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: We never know, We would never know.

995
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 5: That's a good point, man.

996
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: So just having a new figure to look forward to

997
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: and having GSP to help you out and things like that,

998
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 2: it definitely can't hurt for sure. Again, it's gonna come

999
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: down to what's his approach. Can he follow the game

1000
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: plan and can he implement the game plan? You know,

1001
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: Gregor is not gonna be sitting there, just not. He's

1002
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: gonna be chain wrestling over and over and over, and

1003
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: he's nice and tight with his hands, fights those combinations

1004
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: down and then boom right right after that is coming

1005
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: to shot, So he's got to be ready for that

1006
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 2: constant three to four change of chain wrestling constantly, So

1007
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: he's got to be able to deal with that.

1008
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: How big of a when you think it is for

1009
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: Gilaspie if he beats Kevin Lee, Like in terms of

1010
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: what does that put him in the division?

1011
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: I think that definitely puts him in the top ten

1012
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: for sure. Kevinle is good. And that division is so

1013
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 2: crazy because then you have Lee who smashes Barbosa, Barbosa

1014
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: smashes Hooker, and then Hookie gets into a crazy fight

1015
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: with Al beats Al, and then you have Tony Ferguson.

1016
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: So it's just like you got all these guys. You

1017
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: got Michael Johnson who knocked out like three the four

1018
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: he knocked out, He finished Barbosa, he finished there was

1019
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 2: another guy. Oh he beat Ferguson too, I think yes

1020
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: he did. Yes, This is like it doesn't make any

1021
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: sense sometimes. So I know that was a couple of

1022
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: years ago, but that division is just full of killers.

1023
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: Anybody could be anybody in any given day. So I

1024
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: do think a win over Kevin Lee would put him

1025
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: in that top ten for sure, and let the let

1026
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: the rest of the division. Know, like Gregory Leslie has

1027
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: a arrived.

1028
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 6: He's kind of a strange case because he doesn't really

1029
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 6: like cameras, He doesn't want people around him, doesn't really

1030
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 6: like people.

1031
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 5: Talking to him.

1032
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 6: Like it's just in general, he's kind of an eccentric guy.

1033
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 6: And I asked him yesterday. I was like, don't you

1034
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 6: worry a little bit about like your ascension then, like

1035
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 6: if you if you're going toward a title, obviously you're

1036
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 6: going to have to deal with more of this. And

1037
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 6: he's like he basically kind of shrugged the question off.

1038
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 6: But you can tell that this is kind of at

1039
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 6: odds with who he is too to get this kind

1040
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 6: of a Madison Square garden he's going to go and.

1041
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 5: He wouldn't look Kevin Lee in the eye. Yeah, he's

1042
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 5: just a different cat man.

1043
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 6: So there's there's there's that kind of thing that's kind

1044
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 6: of fascinating about him too. Is this his personality and

1045
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 6: like how he handles himself as he goes forward.

1046
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: The The other part about it is he's you know,

1047
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: I asked him, why did you do the call out?

1048
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 3: You know you would think, oh, the answer is to

1049
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: get an opponent sort of, but he kept the answers yes,

1050
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 3: but he kept telling me. He's like, honestly, really didn't

1051
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: want to do the call out because people thought I

1052
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: didn't want to fight.

1053
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 5: I wanted to show people I wanted to fight.

1054
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, so it's less about getting an opponent and

1055
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 3: more just proving to people that you wanted to be active.

1056
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, that's it. Was one of people think

1057
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 5: I didn't want to fight. I want to fight.

1058
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: He's got a very black and white way of thinking

1059
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: about these things. It's it's weird because I asked him,

1060
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 3: was like, is this a new call out culture for you?

1061
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: He's like no, I he's the dude had cereal with

1062
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 3: no milk in it. I mean, what you know, what.

1063
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 5: Are you doing?

1064
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 6: And we're talking about bmfs and other like that's the BMF.

1065
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I asked, that's funny. I actually asked about that.

1066
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, why did you put no milk in there?

1067
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: He's like, I don't eat cereal with milk? I go,

1068
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 3: how do you not eat cereal with milk? He doesn't

1069
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: use a spoon, He's like cookie monster. He just takes

1070
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: it like this and then shoves it in his mouth and.

1071
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 5: You probably no better than me.

1072
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 6: But I feel like any any question you ask him,

1073
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 6: you're gonna get a weird answer.

1074
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 5: You're gonna get it. I didn't. I didn't.

1075
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: I want to ask Hi about his tattoos like you

1076
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 3: and great work he's got. I can only imagine what

1077
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: the story is there. Bro, He's like some you know,

1078
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: motorcycle gang or something.

1079
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 2: Man, the guy works his asshole that guy. When I say,

1080
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: he does not stop, he's running extra miles after training sessions, sparring, whatnot.

1081
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 2: He gets on the bike or he gets on the treadmill.

1082
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: That's why I was like, this is a scary fight

1083
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: for a guy like me, because you know, if I

1084
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: see that weakness, I'm like, I can't wait to keep

1085
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: pushing that button to see how quickly or how soon

1086
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 2: can I get you to break and get you out

1087
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: of here.

1088
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: Last question before we move on, when when you were

1089
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: I'm sure you helped al prep for the Kevin Lee fight.

1090
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: What were you guys thinking were the keys to beat

1091
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: Kevin Lee At the time.

1092
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: Well, we knew he wasn't gonna submit him. It's like

1093
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: he gets his back. All he has to do is

1094
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: you know, by this time he's gonna burn his legs out,

1095
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 2: which he normally does. He did that the first time

1096
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: they fought, and.

1097
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 5: Uh it was a five round main event. Remember Yeah, the.

1098
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 2: First one was a three then this one was a

1099
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: five round main event Wisconsin. And after that, I was

1100
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: just like, Yeah, what's he gonna do. He's gonna come

1101
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: with the tricky headcack because it comes out of nowhere.

1102
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: He's fast, he's explosive, So I was mimicking that for him,

1103
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: throwing the headkick out of nowhere, and I just have

1104
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 2: it out, just working on his stuff and I'm with

1105
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: Ray watching and whatnot. So the main thing was trust

1106
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: our hands, keep the pressure on him, keep pushing him backwards,

1107
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: and anything he checks is kind of just it's just

1108
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 2: that that that attitude. You just have to have that.

1109
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: And you know, it's.

1110
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: Weird that sometimes sometimes the last fighters like what was

1111
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: the game plan afterwards, and a lot of them is

1112
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: let this guy fall, let this guy fail, rather than

1113
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 3: break him. It's if he keeps doing his own things

1114
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 3: that he likes to do, he will he will make

1115
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: himself fail. That's a weird. That's a weird thing to

1116
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: hear sometimes. In any event, Speaking of weird, let's talk

1117
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: about Johnny Walker. How about that gentleman. Did you see

1118
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 3: the did you see the face off yesterday?

1119
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1120
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he like falls like the like he's getting

1121
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: on stage and he gets.

1122
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: Up you know who.

1123
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 3: He he makes faces like Jim Carrey.

1124
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: He does.

1125
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: He's able to manipulate his grill in a way that

1126
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 3: is like really interesting. What do you make of this character?

1127
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: Did did you talk to him? He did talk to him,

1128
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 3: and he speaks like very good.

1129
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: He does.

1130
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 6: He does, And it was actually I was a little surprised.

1131
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 6: He was a little more subdued actually than I thought.

1132
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 6: But then the moment you kind of like off record

1133
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 6: and he's right back into his any self. I just

1134
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 6: feel like he he knows what he's doing. He's a

1135
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 6: big picture kind of guy, and I feel like he

1136
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 6: has the audacity, you know, you have to have that

1137
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 6: kind of thing going on, and he has kind of

1138
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 6: the showmanship of some of these guys.

1139
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 5: I've been enjoying him, man.

1140
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 6: I mean the fact that he comes from a dancing background,

1141
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 6: just some of that weird stuff and he's like, you know,

1142
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 6: he comes out stripping and all this stuff on his

1143
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 6: I find all of that stuff just to be the

1144
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 6: fight game has all kinds, and you get this guy

1145
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 6: and anything that can draw attention like that. But what

1146
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 6: I really like is he's casting doubt. I love this

1147
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 6: when you start to cast out over a champ, an

1148
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 6: existing champion, any of the big names that come up, right,

1149
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 6: they're already kind of planting the seeds for a potential

1150
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 6: fight with the guy who's the champion. He's been talking

1151
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 6: about John Jones for a long time, and obviously it

1152
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 6: seems like he's a little too green. You haven't seen

1153
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 6: enough evidence of that he's ready for something like that.

1154
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 6: Maybe this fight will tell us more. But he's been

1155
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 6: planting those seeds, man, And it's just like you kind

1156
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 6: of latch onto a guy's confidence when you hear him

1157
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 6: talking like that, and I feel like he's got a

1158
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 6: lot of that man, like you know what I mean?

1159
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. There's really not much for me to

1160
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: say on that.

1161
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: So to you, remind me of your background with John Jones.

1162
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: You briefly went to the same college together.

1163
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: So he was coming from Iowa Central. I believe it

1164
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 2: was where he was wrestling. He got a scholarship or

1165
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: I think something like that. He was a national champion

1166
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: that year and something happened where I guess he got

1167
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: kicked out or he was leaving. Something happened, so he

1168
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: ended up at Moorsville. I didn't know who the guy was,

1169
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: but everyone kept talking about him that was on the

1170
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: wrestling team. So I was like, all right, I can't

1171
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: wait to meet this guy. I have no idea what

1172
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: he can do whatever. And I get to the room

1173
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: the first time. It was an open matt and we

1174
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: had a returning All American there, and he just tooled him.

1175
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: I never seen anything like it. I was like, this

1176
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: is high level wrestling. You see this in like videos,

1177
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: but this was like right there in front of me,

1178
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 2: foot sweeping in, tossing him to the side, double overhooks

1179
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: and suplex and him. I'm like, dude, this guy is

1180
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: a freak of nature. And sure enough, he didn't get

1181
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: to compete, but he recorded I think my first time,

1182
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 2: my second wrestling match in college, and he ended up

1183
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 2: not finishing this. He finished the semester, didn't come back.

1184
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: I guess that's when he just got his uh fiance

1185
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: pregnant or whatnot. And I transferred to Courtland and he

1186
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: was training right down the block. I saw his videos

1187
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: and stuff that he was posting. I hit him up

1188
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 2: and he told me where his training. I was like, dude,

1189
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: no ship, Like I go to school right here, kind

1190
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 2: of come down. He didn't think I was gonna come down,

1191
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 2: and he was like yin he was. I won't say

1192
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: the exact words it was on my Space, but he

1193
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: did tell me like, man, you're not get full of

1194
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: shit pretty much, you're not coming down. And came down

1195
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: and I haven't stopped since.

1196
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 5: So interesting.

1197
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 3: Now, given all of that, and you've seen, you've known

1198
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: how much longer than the rest of us, you see

1199
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 3: where he's at today, you consider Johnny Walker a potential

1200
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 3: threat to him.

1201
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: I don't know what Johnny Walker can do. And I

1202
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: think Cory Anderson says it the right way. He's he's mortal,

1203
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: he has been finished. It's not like John Jones way.

1204
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: We've never really seen him tested besides that one gustasn

1205
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: fight and we all know.

1206
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 3: Well, hold on now, Chiago Santo's took a card from him.

1207
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 5: No one's ever done that before. It was Remember it's

1208
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 5: a split decision.

1209
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't know. I didn't think he.

1210
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 5: Offah.

1211
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: I was kind of confused how that was even a

1212
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: splait I was like, dude, really, what fight were you?

1213
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 5: Watch your point? Not many people have done it.

1214
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh again, he just never really has taken

1215
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 2: significant damage. He's always in the driver's seat with every

1216
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: single fight that he steps in there with. So with

1217
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: Johnny Walker, we haven't seen that. We know if he

1218
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: hits you, though, that can be lights out really quick,

1219
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: and I think John could take a shot at least

1220
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: we've seen that in pass, So I think it's a

1221
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: good matchup whether or not he has the tools and

1222
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: the versatility to fight a guy like John John doesn't

1223
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: have at least doesn't show the power that Johnny Walker does.

1224
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: So that's what makes it a very interesting fight. So

1225
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: it's hard for me to say without evidence, I don't

1226
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm basing off of. Just yeah,

1227
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: these quick knockouts, I mean, we've seen that before. I mean,

1228
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: Cody Garbrant, we've seen that before, right, So it's like,

1229
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: you can't really.

1230
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 6: I feel like for the UFC, the task was just

1231
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 6: finding him a sexy matchup, you know, because it's like,

1232
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 6: right now, he's had a couple of guys in a

1233
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 6: row where I think they weren't like the types of

1234
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 6: matchup wasn't like Daniel Quormier, wasn't even the gust of

1235
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 6: some fight with John Jones. The second one with you know,

1236
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 6: it didn't really have the same luster as some of

1237
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 6: the like the Ormer or something like that.

1238
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 5: You want to see some doubt.

1239
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 6: Cast on it, at least if there's a guy out

1240
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 6: there just completely waxing guys in the first round, like

1241
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 6: Walker's doing. Obviously this this weekend, he'll tell us a lot.

1242
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 6: I don't know if he'll be able to do that

1243
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 6: against Anderson, but I think that that's kind of more

1244
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 6: in play. You know, they want to get somebody who

1245
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 6: could market it because I think right now with Dominic Grayish,

1246
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 6: who's obviously a beast, you know, he's a good he's

1247
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 6: a good fighter. But you kind of understand John Jones's

1248
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 6: sentiment on it a little bit. It's like, you know, man,

1249
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 6: what do I gain from this? It just feels like

1250
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 6: you're just you're just knocking off the next woodwork guy

1251
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 6: who comes through, or the next guy in.

1252
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 5: The Merrit chain.

1253
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 6: He probably wants to get a guy who's going to

1254
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 6: have some inherent like marketing behind him and just has

1255
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 6: that kind of that that kind of highlight reel stuff

1256
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 6: that he can plug in and cast out.

1257
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 5: On the situation.

1258
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 3: Speaking of Dominic Rays, obviously he had a win over

1259
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: Chris Widman, given how well Dominic Rays look good. You know,

1260
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: he really looked good and it was a short fight,

1261
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 3: I suppose, but he did what he was supposed to do.

1262
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: What kind of chance do you give Dominic against John Jones.

1263
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: I think he's I think he's one of the better guys.

1264
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 2: I would say, could we see even more from him

1265
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 2: so we could kind of pick the matchup a little

1266
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: bit better and kind of break down some things that

1267
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: he does well some things that he doesn't. I think

1268
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: him being a South Paul poses a lot of trouble.

1269
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: I think him being another big guy. I think he's

1270
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: six four or sixty five, so he's a pretty big

1271
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: dude himself. He won't have the size advantage. I mean,

1272
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: we've seen that with the Gustavsen fight, so that could

1273
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: play a little bit of an issue for John. He

1274
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: fought Siaga Santo's but he was also an eighty fighter

1275
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: coming up to two five, you know, just having kind

1276
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: of that resurgence at two five, so it's a little different.

1277
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: He was a smaller guy. I think when he fights

1278
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: another bigger guy who has the power to crack and

1279
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: puts you away, I think he's a little bit more dangerous.

1280
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: Even like Anthony Smith, same thing you know he was.

1281
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: He was beating these guys, but he's not on the

1282
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: bigger side of the two five weight class, where John

1283
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: is a pretty big dude. I think he think he

1284
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 2: could get a lease up to like two thirty two

1285
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: forty if he really really wanted to. So he's a

1286
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: he's a big he's a big, rangy guy, and I

1287
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: think you need a guy who can kind of match

1288
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: that physique and that that physical attribute that he has

1289
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: and can actually pop and put you away.

1290
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,840
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Speaker 3: at the roots of fight. Let's talk about Corey Anderson.

1305
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 3: Here's a guy people don't realize this. He's on a

1306
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: three fight win streak. He's only three fight win streak,

1307
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 3: beating Ali Latifi and other good fighters, and there's just

1308
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 3: not a ton of buzz. And then this week this

1309
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 3: for Johnny Walker, but not here consider I asked you, guys,

1310
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 3: how would Jonny Walker do against John Jones hasn' even

1311
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 3: fought the right yet?

1312
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Speaker 5: How would Dominic rays?

1313
00:50:58,719 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: And he want he's a bit more of a new

1314
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: come out, but there's not really a lot of consideration

1315
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 3: for Corey and Corey. Then they even had some bad

1316
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 3: blood with each other, they did, and then Corey gets

1317
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: out in the week ahead and says, you know, UFC

1318
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: management based and told me I don't move the needle,

1319
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 3: and I kind of guess I have to look out

1320
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 3: for myself.

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00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 5: Isn't this card? It's so weird The two guys at

1322
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 5: the top.

1323
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, they have the UFC push now, but

1324
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: they kind of just took matters into their own hands.

1325
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: Why doesn't I want to start with chucking this one?

1326
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 3: If I'm mail Jaman, why doesn't it dawn on fighters earlier,

1327
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 3: Like I'm not the UC's not your enemy by any

1328
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 3: stretch of imagination, but they're.

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00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 5: Not necessarily your friend either. Man.

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00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 6: I think it's sometimes like especially for guys like Corey

1331
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 6: and I'm not sure he has the iconoclastic kind of persona,

1332
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 6: you know, I'm not sure he has that. I don't

1333
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 6: think he wants to fight the man all the time.

1334
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 6: I think it's just one of those things. He felt

1335
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 6: like he's he's not getting the respect and finally that

1336
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 6: comes out like, but it's more of a defensive mechanism

1337
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 6: because he's being set up to fail basically in a

1338
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 6: physician like this. Whereas those other guys, I almost feel

1339
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 6: like Nate Diaz always has some kind of bigger issue

1340
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 6: he's battling. It's not just the guy in front of him.

1341
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 6: He's always going against the UFC, he's always going against USADA.

1342
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 6: He's always going against somebody, right, Like there's always a

1343
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 6: there's always a bigger sentiment in play.

1344
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 5: So I think that's just who he is. I think

1345
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 5: guys like that, that's who he is.

1346
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 6: Whereas Mosbdol, I felt like we had to kind of

1347
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 6: pop the lid off and figure out who he is

1348
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 6: after all this time. And then as we discussed earlier,

1349
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 6: it just kind of came about now he's coupled into

1350
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 6: the situation.

1351
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 5: But most guys just don't really have that, would you?

1352
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 5: I mean, do you think so?

1353
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 6: I mean I feel like that's some guys have this,

1354
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 6: I don't know, like some kind of like renegade spirit

1355
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 6: to them when they start.

1356
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Speaker 3: I just don't feel like he started out with Beaston

1357
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 3: twenty five eight. That's not a great nickname.

1358
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 5: Although everybody loved it.

1359
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 3: Not a great nickname, but he's not over time, which

1360
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 3: is much better. But look, to answer your question, does

1361
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: he strike me as a guy you could like build

1362
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 3: a franchise around? Not necessarily, but getting to my point earlier,

1363
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 3: did it occur to people three years ago that Jorge

1364
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 3: Masbital was one of those guys Maybe you would have

1365
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 3: thought he would be a little bit more ripe as

1366
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 3: a candidate. My point being is you don't the storytelling

1367
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 3: doesn't happen until you really sin that's true, and you

1368
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 3: get to know people better like Corey Anderson. Do I

1369
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 3: really know his story? I do not, And I know

1370
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 3: he came from Ultimate Fighter too, I do not. So

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00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: what you're a fighter or the UFC. Here you are

1372
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 3: and you're in a really unique position because you're basically

1373
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 3: out of title shot, but we don't know exactly what's

1374
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 3: going to happen. How do you see Corey Anderson's issues

1375
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 3: as well as your future?

1376
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 5: How do you navigate this space?

1377
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: Well, I want to start with your fight style. That's

1378
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: always gonna be number one. And you could try to

1379
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: John Fitchet and go on a ten fight win streak

1380
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 2: and not get that rematch that you really do deserve.

1381
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 2: You know, just keep fighting everybody so they can't deny

1382
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: you like a common usman. So it depends on how

1383
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: which way he wants to play it. I mean, some

1384
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: people want to stick to their guns and do things

1385
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: their way. I understand it. But at the end of

1386
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: the day, you got to start eventually learning how to

1387
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: play the game. Otherwise you're fighting a losing value. You

1388
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 2: can't beat the UFC, it's their company. There's no way

1389
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 2: he's going to be able to outgun them and say,

1390
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: you know why, I'm gonna do this my way, and

1391
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: you're gonna give me what I earned because guess what

1392
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 2: I mean, he does deserve it. But at the end

1393
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 2: of the day, they decide who gets what title shot.

1394
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: You know, so's it's a very tough, unique situation. I

1395
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: remember I had the little thing like that when I

1396
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 2: was in the free agency period, and you know, I

1397
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 2: was having some pushback with them, and we butted heads

1398
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: a couple of times, and you know, things start to

1399
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 2: get a little bit go the like left, like things

1400
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: got taken out of proportion and spun. People were twisting

1401
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 2: my words and things like that, and I was like,

1402
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: you know what, man, I just just want to fight

1403
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: make my money. If I got to do it the

1404
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,479
Speaker 2: hard way, I'll just do it the hard way. Because

1405
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: again I start to learn, like, you know what, man,

1406
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 2: I'm just wasting time of my youth when I could

1407
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: just be out there competing and building my case with

1408
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 2: my hands. You know. So it's different, different mindsets, and

1409
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: I think Corey started to realize, you know what, I'm

1410
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 2: just gonna keep doing me. So he said that in

1411
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: his interview and I was like, you know what, I

1412
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: appreciate it, But at the same time, if you want

1413
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 2: to get there faster, you got to do something or

1414
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 2: say something that's going to get the fans to care.

1415
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: Because right now, even Kobe compting winning all these fights,

1416
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: no one gave a shit until he changed it up

1417
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: and it puts on the Maga hat and you know,

1418
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: the belt, and he's got the girls rubbing his shoulders

1419
00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: and things like that, and now all of a sudden,

1420
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 2: he's just new persona that everyone loves to hate and

1421
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: they want to they want to watch him to see

1422
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 2: if he's gonna get beat up. But the guy can fight,

1423
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 2: Cory Anderson can fight. I'm not saying go that route,

1424
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: but try to see what's what can be you And

1425
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: let's just term the volume a little bit. See how

1426
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 2: that works out.

1427
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 3: What what do you think Johnny Walker win, Let's see,

1428
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 3: it's a spectacular win against him. What does that do

1429
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 3: for him? Does it really put him in the John Jonesweepstakes?

1430
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like it does, but maybe I'm misunderstanding it.

1431
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Corey's ranked what third or fourth?

1432
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 5: He's up there?

1433
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 2: Uh, you know. Dominic Grays was ranked fourth, so I

1434
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: think he's definitely top five. I think that puts him

1435
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 2: in the top five. He's got a good following. I

1436
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 2: think he's got a lot of stuff that he does,

1437
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: the weird facial things, and he's got to just people

1438
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 2: like him because he's entertaining, you know, so they kind

1439
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 2: of they could gravitate to that. So uh, I think

1440
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: Johnny Walker wins this. He's in a much better position

1441
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 2: than or at least where Corey Anderson is now. He

1442
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: at least takes that that spot and maybe another fight

1443
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: or if not, that fight could be the one at

1444
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 2: the end of the day.

1445
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that you men in the three fight

1446
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 6: winning streak. Unfortunate for him, they're all decisions. I don't

1447
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 6: feel like people if they don't resonate in the same way,

1448
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 6: Like people aren't going around talking about those decisions. Even

1449
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 6: though he's looked good, man, he's looked very good. It's

1450
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 6: hard to say, man, because if he goes in there

1451
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 6: and does that to Johnny Walker, I feel like there

1452
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 6: woud also be this asterisk put to well Johnny Walker

1453
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 6: usually you know, we were kind of inflating him a

1454
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 6: little bit. You know, he probably shouldn't have been Dan

1455
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 6: if it's all you know how the fight game works, man,

1456
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 6: it's always the way it were, So I don't know

1457
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 6: if it would.

1458
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 5: I don't think he.

1459
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 6: Gets into John Jones sweet stakes, even as crazy as is.

1460
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 6: I think Dominic Rays at that point would probably be

1461
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 6: the guy unless they figure out some kind of super

1462
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 6: fighter or a heavyweight fight or something. But the opposite end,

1463
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 6: I could see them if it's Johnny Walker getting another one,

1464
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 6: I could see them doing it just because they would

1465
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 6: have this cumulative little body of work to kind of

1466
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 6: put in their Ya Jones.

1467
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 2: Rays even brought up a good point when he was on.

1468
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: He did an interview after his fight with wide Man,

1469
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: and he was just talking about he just felt like

1470
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: he was just keeps getting set up to lose, like

1471
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 2: they just think that he's not going to beat these guys.

1472
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: And it's kind of like the same thing with Corey Andison.

1473
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: So that's the hard part. It's like almost there is

1474
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 2: no clear cut contender for any matchup where the UFC

1475
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 2: is gonna be like, all right, if you win this fight,

1476
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 2: you're for sure going to be the next guy. So

1477
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 2: for Reyes, for Corey Anderson, we really just don't know,

1478
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: Johnny Walker, we really don't know. It's really really really

1479
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: tough to say right now that like heavyweight division is

1480
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: kind of that boy, especially since DC left it. It's

1481
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: there's nobody else to really move that needle to like

1482
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: all right.

1483
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 6: Although I think it was September ninth that John Jones

1484
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 6: tweeted out like stay tuned news coming announcement. Yeah, it's

1485
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 6: like sitting here waiting two months later, Still nothing, John,

1486
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 6: We're still waiting.

1487
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 5: Tell me another fight in this card. You got your

1488
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 5: eye on anywhere, doesn't matter where it is in the card.

1489
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 3: I like the Shane Burgers fight really, Yeah, they had

1490
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 3: the best stare down. Know Tim this is uh uh,

1491
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 3: I can always get his name wrong. Makwan Americana.

1492
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, and uh those dudes careers mirror each other

1493
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 6: in these weird ways. They're both I think five and

1494
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 6: one in the UFC, like they've had, you know, one

1495
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 6: loss against tough guys on I just I feel like

1496
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 6: that's gonna be a good fight just given who they are.

1497
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 6: But I like I like Shane Man, like he just yeah,

1498
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 6: his style, he likes to go in there and bang,

1499
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 6: and I think that's gonna be a good fight.

1500
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 5: Tell me about you like it. That was the one

1501
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 5: you were gonna pick.

1502
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the one I was gonna picks. His

1503
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 2: boxing style is just super fun to watch. Is the

1504
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: hands down you know, just slipping in and out coming

1505
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: back with the combinations and it's just Chris boxing, something

1506
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: I definitely appreciate. And for you to be able to

1507
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 2: do that in MMA and not really have a worry

1508
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: about the head kick coming when you slip and coming

1509
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 2: back with that that type of intensity is it's just

1510
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: super fun to watch. Man. I remember watching him at

1511
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: the coliseum. That was my first time watching him live.

1512
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: I was like, this is a different feel. He just

1513
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: walked his opponent down the entire time. I think he

1514
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 2: dropped him, I think four, four or five times. Man,

1515
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: it was insane.

1516
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 5: Yeah. Is that a Shane berghofs thing? Is that a

1517
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 5: Tiger Shulman thing?

1518
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: Like?

1519
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 5: How much is that?

1520
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: Well? They all kind of have that same slipping style.

1521
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: When I thought Rivera is the very same thing, and

1522
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 2: we prepared for that because we knew he's very well disciplined.

1523
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: You know, if we threw anything at him, he's gonna

1524
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 2: slip and come back with two three punchs possibly even before,

1525
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 2: so you have to use a lot of things. Now

1526
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 2: with Burgos, it's the same thing, except Burgos is actually

1527
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 2: walking you down as opposed to Rivere who kind of

1528
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: just sits in the pockets and wait, Burgos is walking

1529
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 2: you down kind of like that that Boogeyman type of feel.

1530
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 2: And uh, now you got Makwan who's got really good grappling.

1531
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 2: I know he said he did boxing. He took a

1532
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: couple of boxing fights in between his layoff, and uh,

1533
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: I mean, we haven't really seen much of it yet,

1534
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: but I'm really interested to see how that's gonna match

1535
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: up against a guy who's known for for his hands

1536
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 2: and his combinations, kunt of striking, just a very high

1537
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 2: high output and on fun fight at the watch.

1538
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 5: Ye all got me sold on that one, all right.

1539
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 6: I like that even when it was it is it

1540
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 6: Quitar or Cater Cater, when when Cater fought uh Burgos

1541
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 6: in Boston, even in that fight when he's getting pieced

1542
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 6: up with the jab and all that, I just love

1543
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 6: the dog in him because you just see him getting

1544
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 6: madder each time and just kind of going in there.

1545
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 6: I love that type of thing. And so he's got

1546
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 6: that sort of.

1547
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 5: Thing to him.

1548
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 3: And you know what, these guys, it's a relentless belief

1549
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 3: in his style. Yeah, you know, I think you can't

1550
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 3: walk a guy down like that if you don't believe

1551
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 3: this is gonna work, right, And that was just it.

1552
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 6: It was just like he was he wasn't going to

1553
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 6: be told otherwise. Even in real action, it was like

1554
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 6: he was gonna keep coming.

1555
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 5: I would say, a couple of fights. I have my

1556
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 5: eye on this one. Very quietly.

1557
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 3: Derek Lewis's Derek Lewis's back and he had a face

1558
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 3: off with Blagoy Ivanov.

1559
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 6: Did you see the face off? I didn't, dude.

1560
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 5: Ivanov looked like he was terrified. Man.

1561
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 3: That may just be like maybe he had to take

1562
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 3: a dump, or you know, he had a bad.

1563
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 5: Chicken or you know who know.

1564
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 3: I mean, this guy, this is the guy who got

1565
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 3: stabbed and like lived and now is not fighting. I

1566
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 3: doubt he's afraid of much. I'm just saying what it

1567
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 3: looked what it looked like, Derek Henry or de Henry.

1568
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 3: Derek Lewis made a point to like go after Greg

1569
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 3: Hardy in the meeting yesterday. Would you not if if

1570
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 3: Derek Lowis by the way. This is his Uh, this

1571
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 3: is a big meal. There's constant questions about is his

1572
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 3: back okay, can he keep doing this? How much longer

1573
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 3: is he gonna keep doing this? It would be a

1574
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 3: shame if he never fought Greg Hardy, Right, that is

1575
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 3: an easy fight to make, frankly for both guys.

1576
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 6: How much would you want to see that one ahead

1577
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 6: of Hardy's book to fight Volkov?

1578
01:00:58,680 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 5: Right?

1579
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I would much rather see if you could

1580
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 6: do it right now, I'd might rather see that fight, buddy.

1581
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 3: That would be because he he was going after him

1582
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 3: for you know, obviously his domestic violence past, and you

1583
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 3: know it's if he beats Volkov. It seems like a

1584
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 3: reasonable test against Derek Lewis, does it not? I mean, yeah,

1585
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 3: maybe I'm missing something, but that seems like a fun one.

1586
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: The one that I really have my eye on for

1587
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 3: for the prelim card, aside from Johnny because peopleks forget

1588
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 3: I believe this is right Johnny Walker, and it's a

1589
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 3: prelim against the main event of the prelim, the main event,

1590
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 3: which is not a.

1591
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 2: Thing we think is a thing.

1592
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be a Edmund Shabazi and Brad Tavaris. Dude,

1593
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 3: Edmond Shabazian, when when Ronda left Glendale and then Travis

1594
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 3: kind of flamed out whatever he was doing, and then

1595
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 3: Jake Ellenberger didn't have much success over there. People like

1596
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 3: that's a that's a club where nothing good happens. And

1597
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 3: then here comes Edmund Shabazian who is just roasting these fools, right,

1598
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 3: and not just with his striking. He got wrestled Darren

1599
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 3: Stewart effectively. He came back in his last far. I

1600
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 3: forget how he fought. He beat him in a round.

1601
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 3: Brat Tavarus is no joke out a Signia went to

1602
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 3: distance with him. This is a three round five versus

1603
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 3: a five. But we're talking about we always see these

1604
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 3: questions who are the next stars, who are the next stars? Well,

1605
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if Edmund shabazi In is, but if

1606
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 3: you beat Brat Savarus this, he's twenty, will be twenty

1607
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 3: two soon, he's twenty one. Right now, you beat up

1608
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: a guy like Bratsavares at that point in your career, dude,

1609
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 3: you are cooking with yes a strand point right, Yeah,

1610
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 3: that is a like this is not one of those

1611
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 3: fights we're like, oh, it'll set them up for stardom.

1612
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 3: That's one of those fights you look at on the

1613
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 3: resume are like, do he beat that caw? You're right

1614
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 3: at that point in his career.

1615
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 6: At the meat of the There are a lot of

1616
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,919
Speaker 6: guys on the cusp of breaking through on this card,

1617
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like the guys who are

1618
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 6: just those CUSP guys, the CUSP stars are cuss like

1619
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 6: you're gonna believe that they're really relevant in the division.

1620
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 6: There's a lot of that on this card, which is

1621
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 6: always that always makes it a little more fun when

1622
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 6: you guys, you got these guys on the radar kind

1623
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 6: of beeping as they come through. Yeah, and there, I

1624
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 6: feel like this card's kind of rich with.

1625
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 2: That Shabazi And is this his third fight in the

1626
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: card or fourth?

1627
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 5: Because he had the one the Contender series, which sort

1628
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 5: of counts.

1629
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's up there. I'm not sure the number it is,

1630
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 3: but he's he's had, he's had. I think it's just

1631
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 3: I think it's his third a fourth. I it's worth

1632
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 3: could be wrong about that, but he hasn't looked bad.

1633
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: Was a good push for your third fight, third or

1634
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 2: four fight. That's a very big name him, like you said,

1635
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 2: a big feather in his cap if he goes out

1636
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 2: there and gets this type of win.

1637
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 3: And also lastly about this, we talked about guys we've

1638
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 3: been wrong about before. I've be wrong about andre Alowski

1639
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 3: probably more than any other fighter in my career. Uh,

1640
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 3: not to say he's been you know, no fighters above

1641
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 3: you know, critical appraisal, but there's times where I thought

1642
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 3: he was for sure done and he's kind of looked

1643
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 3: that way, and then it comes back, and then kindts

1644
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 3: that way again, then comes back and accounts away again,

1645
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 3: and he looked good. He lost the tie too. We

1646
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 3: looked pretty good. He's been you know, I think it

1647
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 3: was at Shamil Abduraki Mov. Wasn't a great fight for

1648
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 3: either guy. But he's taking on this dude who has

1649
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 3: I think the best name in the sport, Jaiir Xenio

1650
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 3: Rosenstruk say that one ten times fast, who just looks

1651
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 3: like an absolute power punching marauder. Here andre Alowski is

1652
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 3: training hard with Phil the Rue out of American Top Team.

1653
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 5: I'm not sure what to make of this fight.

1654
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if this guy is the next they're

1655
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 3: giving Andrea this rub say, hey, is this next guy

1656
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 3: any good Audrey like that test case guy.

1657
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 6: It's insane. I remember being at UFC eighty two. Remember

1658
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 6: when they stuck him on the prelims they kind of

1659
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 6: put him down to against Jacob Brien exactly. And we're

1660
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 6: saying at the time, like we won't you know this

1661
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 6: is it, won't see him like in the UFC again.

1662
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 6: And here we are all these years later, like more

1663
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 6: than ten years later, and he's still doing this.

1664
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,959
Speaker 3: It's pretty crazy, man, It's wild, dude.

1665
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: I hope I'm done when i'm his age.

1666
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 3: I hope I'm doing at forty yeah, forty one or

1667
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 3: even I think.

1668
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, thats give my body a break.

1669
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 5: You know these heavyweights, bro, they go late. They go

1670
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 5: super late. Man. All right, so where are you gonna

1671
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 5: be fight night?

1672
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 2: I will be in the building. Look at you at MSG.

1673
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 5: Trump's sweet. You gotta get a Trump sweep.

1674
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: I get a lot of he if I do that.

1675
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 5: You got good tickets.

1676
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 2: I don't even know where I'm sitting yet. I got

1677
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 2: tickets from guy in the UFC.

1678
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, before we go, Before we go? How does

1679
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 3: that work with UFC? Like sometimes you'll see so they

1680
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 3: go they'll show like oh, so we.

1681
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 5: Get to knockout.

1682
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 3: There's like a you know, they got a in it

1683
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 3: to kill all their time, and they'll show people in

1684
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 3: the crowd. Sometimes I see you, Sometimes I don't. Sometimes

1685
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 3: I see another fire. Blah blah blah. Who decides who

1686
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 3: sits where? Who get How do you get those tickets?

1687
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 2: Dad? I don't know who decides who's going to get

1688
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 2: the FaceTime and all that. I just reach out to.

1689
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: I figure, I don't even know what her position is,

1690
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 2: but you know, I tell him come in if there's tickets.

1691
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 2: If not, then I just don't go.

1692
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 5: And they're usually like pretty close to octagon side.

1693
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 2: It was pretty good, and I think it's kind of

1694
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 2: a like a merit type of base where if you're

1695
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: like higher up, you get better seats. If you're maybe

1696
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 2: like entry level or just getting there, you kind of

1697
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 2: get further back seats in another section. But I've been through,

1698
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 2: I've been through the fire, I've been through the ranks.

1699
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 6: So I see that we can judge then what they

1700
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 6: think of Aljamain by his seat.

1701
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like there's ten rows in front of you, Algabanic,

1702
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 3: you're kind of playing your card there a little bit.

1703
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 5: Uh, You know it's funny.

1704
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 3: I slast one against I saw Joe Benavidez yesterday and

1705
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 3: it's funny. He's not even injured and you and him

1706
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 3: have the exact same posture about what's next, or like, yeah,

1707
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 3: no idea, no clue, no idea, I'm gonna get it

1708
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 3: out to fight. Doesn't really he was there doing stuff

1709
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,439
Speaker 3: for a dapper scrap right. It's got a weird spot

1710
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 3: to be in right now.

1711
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah No, I talk about it on my podcast all

1712
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Speaker 2: the time, but I really, I really don't know what's

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Speaker 2: gonna go on, what's gonna happen right now, And it

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Speaker 2: seems like Krins Judo is not really gonna be once

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01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 2: cut back down to twenty five. I think he wants

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01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 2: to stay up. And if he wants to stay up,

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01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: I know a guy that wants to fight him, and

1718
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 2: that's myself. So any day I'll show you how to

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Speaker 2: really bend the knee.

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Speaker 5: There you go.

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01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 3: Let me know if folks want one more from you

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Speaker 3: your podcast? What do you want to plug Instagram all

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Speaker 3: that stuff?

1724
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 2: Let him know the Weekly Scrap is in my podcast.

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01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 2: I do that every mondays. You guys can check that out.

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01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 2: I'm on Discamp well now you're on this one a

1727
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 2: weekly scratch. You guys can check that out. We do

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Speaker 2: that every Monday. And uh you can find me on

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Speaker 2: the twiteter or Instagram at funk Master m m A

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Speaker 2: and yeah, I comment back, I comment back.

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Speaker 5: There you go.

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Speaker 3: He lets him know again one more time, our good

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Speaker 3: friends over at Roots of Fighters. I talk over my mouth.

1734
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 3: This is another George Saint Pierre too division champ sweater.

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01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 3: The promo code morning twenty morning, the number two and

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Speaker 3: the number zero twenty percent off.

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Speaker 5: Not merely this or anything else.

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01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 3: I've shown you the entire array of gear from Roots

1739
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 3: of Fight, which, by the way, they are not merely

1740
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 3: OG's in the game. They are the premiere I think

1741
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 3: apparel sponsor for a apparel brand rather for not just

1742
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 3: cool gear, but like cool combat sports stuff.

1743
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 5: And there's just there's just no one like them. Social

1744
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 5: you can follow me.

1745
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 3: Let's see on Instagram where's the thing out they're gonna

1746
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 3: put up pographic or not. Here you go, there's all

1747
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 3: of our various places on insta. See you did it

1748
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Speaker 3: right there, Al Jamaine, you have the same name in

1749
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 3: both places. Chuck and I are stupid assholes who have

1750
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 3: first time who have different names all the way around,

1751
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 3: which makes no sense, but that's.

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01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 2: Just what we did, so maasy for everybody.

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Speaker 5: You certainly do. Hey man, it's been nice, you know what.

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Speaker 5: I'll be honest.

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01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 3: A lot of times you're like, well, we'll get fighters

1756
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 3: in studio, and I'm alwayst like, I don't know how

1757
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 3: this is gonna go because two reasons. One, a lot

1758
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 3: we're not all that media trained, and two they pull

1759
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 3: their punches, But you, my friend, are media savvy and

1760
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,439
Speaker 3: you don't pull the punches maybe with the right hand

1761
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 3: right now. But that's a great job getting here. Enjoy

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01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 3: UFC two forty four.

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01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 2: Are you guys? So where are you guys watching b I'll.

1764
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 3: Be in the media room like a loser. No one

1765
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 3: cares where I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be the media

1766
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 3: room like a loser. I'll actually, you know what, I

1767
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 3: prefer the media room. I'll tell you why because when

1768
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 3: you're out on the floor, you know it's loud and

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01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 3: it's just hard to see sometimes depending on your position

1770
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 3: because you're sitting behind the guy with the camera on

1771
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 3: the panel. But in the media room you get big

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01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 3: ass HD TV. It's by the way, it's a second

1773
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 3: or two ahead of what's on television because there's no

1774
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 3: it's the feed from the house, so it's not getting

1775
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 3: edited and well there's not one for TV.

1776
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 5: It's a little bit different.

1777
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 3: But there's food there and then all the winning fighters

1778
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 3: come back there, so you get to talk to all

1779
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 3: the fighters who win when they.

1780
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 5: Come back, primarily the buffet primarily.

1781
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 3: And then there's that also also an endlessupply of coffee,

1782
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 3: which is help that.

1783
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:00,839
Speaker 2: When you're chip cookies.

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01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, usually so come by the media room if

1785
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 5: you have a chance. Yeah, all hang man, all right,

1786
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 5: so there we have it.

1787
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Speaker 3: That's Al Jamaine Sterling, that is Iceman, Chuck Minden Hall,

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01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 3: I'm Luke Thomas. There'll be a show on Monday, as

1789
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 3: always noon reacting to everything. By the way, for Brian Campbell,

1790
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 3: Canelo Covialev he's out in Las Vegas and we'll be

1791
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 3: reacting to UFC two forty Four's just I'm guessing what's

1792
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 3: gonna be unbelievable night.

1793
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 5: Thank you guys so much for watching it.

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01:09:25,360 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 3: Until next time, Stay frosty

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Speaker 2: Y