Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
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Speaker 1: back to another edition to All the Smoke. How you
Speaker 1: I'm good man? How you been? You've been shaking the baking.
Speaker 1: You've been all around the country, hosting camps, give backs,
Speaker 1: Get a chance to sit down and relax? It all
Speaker 1: any Not really? But I'll sleep when I die. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I ain't leave it. No money on the table.
Speaker 1: Can't do it, can't do it. We got a special
Speaker 1: guest today, a friend of the program. We've all got
Speaker 1: a chance to work with her over at Fox. Joy Taylor, Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me, Thank you for joining us. We
Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Let's jump right into it. The current
Speaker 1: state of sports media, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Um.
Speaker 1: I think before it used to be we're reporting on sports. Now,
Speaker 1: I think with the infusion of social media, now we're
Speaker 1: reporting on a lifestyle more than sometimes just what they
Speaker 1: actually do. What's your take on that? Well, I try
Speaker 1: to look at covering sports is a human thing anyway, Um,
Speaker 1: because we're covering human beings, not robots or not merchandise.
Speaker 1: You're not a commodity, and we sometimes when we talk
Speaker 1: about sports, we tend to talk about athletes that way,
Speaker 1: Oh he got traded here, he got cut here. It
Speaker 1: just becomes very inhumane. So in some ways I kind
Speaker 1: of like that we get to know athletes on a
Speaker 1: more personal level through social media, through the different you know, channels,
Speaker 1: this podcast, things like that, So it humanizes athletes in
Speaker 1: a way for not just the media, but also for
Speaker 1: fans to understands there's a deeper, deeper level to everything
Speaker 1: that's happening in sports than just when losses and points
Speaker 1: and quantifying everything. So I think it's actually, in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways a positive thing because it forces us
Speaker 1: to humanize athletes more. How has social media and your
Speaker 1: opinion kind of changed? Almost your job supports media as
Speaker 1: a whole, because I mean, you see breaking news left
Speaker 1: and right. Now social media is somewhere where it's literally
Speaker 1: a lot more negative than it is encouragement or positivity.
Speaker 1: So how do you feel like social media has kind
Speaker 1: of changed the landscape of kind of what you do well?
Speaker 1: Social media gave everybody a voice, some don't deserve it,
Speaker 1: which is a great thing. Social media gave everybody a voice,
Speaker 1: which is not a great thing. And that's not to
Speaker 1: be condescending. But I went to school for broadcasting. I
Speaker 1: have a you know, a journalistic education. Even though I'm
Speaker 1: not a journalist, I still feel a responsibility to, you know,
Speaker 1: to some level. I can't just retweet anything, you know,
Speaker 1: I try to be careful about what stories I dig
Speaker 1: in on. If I'm ignorant on a topic, I'm not
Speaker 1: necessarily give my opinion just because everyone has given their
Speaker 1: opinion about it. If I don't feel strongly or compelled
Speaker 1: about it, or I don't feel fully educated, or I'm
Speaker 1: ignorant about it, I'm gonna layout. So social media has
Speaker 1: kind of made everybody feel like they have to have
Speaker 1: an opinion about everything, and you don't. And also your
Speaker 1: opinion isn't needed on everything. I mean, you don't walk
Speaker 1: into your house and tell your mama what you think
Speaker 1: about her dress. Now, you have an opinion about her dress,
Speaker 1: but nobody asked you for your opinion on her And
Speaker 1: if you give your opinion on her dress, you might
Speaker 1: regret your opinion on her dress. And it's just a
Speaker 1: it's a way of life that's become normal to us.
Speaker 1: And overall, I think it's a positive thing, but it
Speaker 1: has changed how we do business. I mean, when I
Speaker 1: started the business, we didn't use social media at a
Speaker 1: level there's two thousand seven. It existed, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: an every day I mean, you're not checking Twitter every
Speaker 1: thirty seconds. I've alerts on for certain reporters, you know,
Speaker 1: just to keep back of everything. I think it makes
Speaker 1: our jobs easier in a lot of ways because we
Speaker 1: don't have to do at least I don't have to
Speaker 1: do sourcing. You know. I can let a reporter do
Speaker 1: their job and they're trusted and their reputation is, you know, strong.
Speaker 1: I can just use their information. But there's there's pros
Speaker 1: and cons for everything. I think the important thing is
Speaker 1: to just find what works for you and balance. What
Speaker 1: do you think about the give and take now with
Speaker 1: athletes that respond to the negativity because now they're like,
Speaker 1: well you're so and so, why are you even responding
Speaker 1: these people? But people don't understand what enough. People are
Speaker 1: fuckingnagonatual and saying crazy ship all time. The human reaction
Speaker 1: is to defend yourself. Anyone to just ignore it has
Speaker 1: never been in that situation. What do you think about
Speaker 1: that give and take? You know, you can take Kevin Durant,
Speaker 1: or you can take several to myself, several different athletes.
Speaker 1: Some people jack that respond to the negativity, but then
Speaker 1: are kind of looked down upon by supports media for
Speaker 1: doing it. Everybody can dish it, but everybody can't take it.
Speaker 1: Everybody doesn't get it right. It's very easy to tell
Speaker 1: somebody do this or behave this way when that's not
Speaker 1: your lifestyle. If you're Tim four five six seven, nobody's
Speaker 1: bothering you, nobody knows who you are, so it's very
Speaker 1: easy for you to say, Katie shouldn't respond. You don't
Speaker 1: have ten million people telling you you're a sell out
Speaker 1: every day. Have that happened to you, and then we
Speaker 1: can come and have a legit conversation about it. I
Speaker 1: think whatever makes you feel confident or comfortable or whatever
Speaker 1: it is you want to do is what you should do.
Speaker 1: Don't let them get you emotional. Though, Like people ask
Speaker 1: me all the time, why do I Why do I respond?
Speaker 1: Sometimes I just feel like it. Sometimes somebody's I gotta
Speaker 1: I have to sacrifice someone like saying too much, like
Speaker 1: you don't want today you have to get roast. I
Speaker 1: got time. I'm in the car. I'm an uber, all right,
Speaker 1: it's you today, You're the one. But it doesn't hurt
Speaker 1: my feelings because I'm a face to face person. If
Speaker 1: you would not walk up to me on the street
Speaker 1: and say this, and we know they wouldn't, that's not
Speaker 1: gonna hurt my feelings. But I also know that there
Speaker 1: are women who follow me who don't feel uh not
Speaker 1: as confident, but it does affect them and they don't
Speaker 1: they don't want to respond that way, but they like
Speaker 1: when I do because they're getting the same things. So
Speaker 1: you know, there's different reasons why I respond. It works
Speaker 1: for me. It doesn't change my day. I'm gonna leave here,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch the game. I'm enjoy my night. Like
Speaker 1: that's not gonna affect my day. Um, but I think
Speaker 1: it's very easy for people who aren't in that situation
Speaker 1: to tell other people how to behave I got been
Speaker 1: the asked by responding just yesterday and I responded to
Speaker 1: some negative ship in the morning, and in the afternoon
Speaker 1: I got a message, your Instagram account has been disabled,
Speaker 1: So like, I'm off Instagram right now for responding? Is
Speaker 1: the bullshit I do? A couple of customers you have
Speaker 1: to do a couple of cust words in there there
Speaker 1: that's forgot damn sure. And yeah, bro, I don't got
Speaker 1: an Instagram account right, No, hopefully I can get it
Speaker 1: backcause I just tapped a million. Don't steal that ship
Speaker 1: from the Instagram. It took me a minute to get there.
Speaker 1: But anyway, carrying on race, gender, inequality when it comes
Speaker 1: to sports media coverage right now, that's really kind of
Speaker 1: the center focus, which I think is great because it's
Speaker 1: it's they've always kind of been separated and you kind
Speaker 1: of have been able to keep sports and sports has
Speaker 1: always kind of be in that safe, that happy place.
Speaker 1: But now more than ever, we're just being real. There's
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's race issues, there's gender issues, there's
Speaker 1: inequality issues in sports, and now we're discussing those. How
Speaker 1: do you feel about that as far as like women's
Speaker 1: sports and men's just in general just kind of doing
Speaker 1: giving this, you know, it's due diligence towards just well,
Speaker 1: I think I think the time for just accepting what
Speaker 1: is for what it is, and I don't say turning
Speaker 1: the other cheek or just putting your head down and
Speaker 1: working through it or just doing things the way we've
Speaker 1: done it, and that's why we're going to keep doing it.
Speaker 1: Like that's over and and it should be over all.
Speaker 1: Those are weak excuses for behavior, and it's similar to
Speaker 1: social media getting people a voice. Social media has been
Speaker 1: instrumental in spreading the word about inequal at ease and
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the women's tournament this year was
Speaker 1: a good example of that. For me, it's like, why
Speaker 1: what is the win? Why is this so difficult? Why
Speaker 1: can't you just see ahead of the curve? Like somebody
Speaker 1: walked in the room and saw that this was not
Speaker 1: equal and was like there were six weights in here
Speaker 1: in the whole room, the Amazon weights. Why does why
Speaker 1: does the men's room look like this and the women's
Speaker 1: room look like this? But because people don't do that,
Speaker 1: there still has to be this push for equality. And
Speaker 1: that's just that's just one example of it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think the time for accepting things for what
Speaker 1: they are is is over. And the faster that companies
Speaker 1: and organizations and leagues understand that, than there'll be less
Speaker 1: of that exposure. Like I said, you gotta make an example.
Speaker 1: It's been the blind leading to blind for so long.
Speaker 1: It just feels good that everybody's opening their eyes. Well,
Speaker 1: a lot of it is people in charge. I mean
Speaker 1: it is what it is that you've got a bunch
Speaker 1: of people in the room making decisions who are all
Speaker 1: the same kind of people, the same the same come
Speaker 1: from the same background. And the problem with that is
Speaker 1: and then when you challenge that, it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: these are all the right people for the job, but
Speaker 1: the best people for the job. Why were they the
Speaker 1: best people for the job because someone who looked like
Speaker 1: them decided they were the best person from the job,
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. And the problem with
Speaker 1: having a bunch of people in the room making decisions
Speaker 1: who are all from the same place, who all look
Speaker 1: the same, who are all the same gender, is they're
Speaker 1: all gonna make the same They're don't come the same conclusion.
Speaker 1: There's not going to be any challenge because there's no
Speaker 1: perspective to have a challenge or understanding, right right, So,
Speaker 1: like the value of diversity, its people who don't like diversity,
Speaker 1: like the idea of diversity, always challenge it as well.
Speaker 1: They're you know, we're making exceptions for people, or this
Speaker 1: person didn't earn it. It's like it's Diversity isn't just
Speaker 1: for us, it's for you. Right not even learn something,
Speaker 1: You will make more money, You will be more successful,
Speaker 1: your employees will be happier, your company will do better
Speaker 1: if you are inclusive. It's not about a slogan or
Speaker 1: a Twitter hashtag. This is reality. The evidence, the numbers
Speaker 1: are there, and it'll save you if that's all you
Speaker 1: care about from some pr scandals. If you can't see
Speaker 1: past all of that, at least let me boil down
Speaker 1: from that to you. You won't be trying on Twitter
Speaker 1: because will be someone else in the room who can
Speaker 1: stop you and say, this is not how people that
Speaker 1: look like me are going to respond to this. Just
Speaker 1: so you know. So, I think it's just holding people
Speaker 1: accountable and all of it is it comes full circle
Speaker 1: with you know, we're not We're not anywhere. Everybody need
Speaker 1: to be able to accountable, and not just it's not
Speaker 1: one particular race or persons or people. I think it's
Speaker 1: just very hard to have nuanced conversations on the Internet.
Speaker 1: And that's where a lot of conversation has had now,
Speaker 1: which isn't a negative thing because at least it starts
Speaker 1: the conversation. But the next step of course is action,
Speaker 1: and you know sports is a good place for that
Speaker 1: to start because sports is a microcosmos society. What's your
Speaker 1: thoughts on Shakar Risks. I don't know. I have lots
Speaker 1: of shagary um. Well. I ran track. That's the sport
Speaker 1: that I played the longest, ran track in college. Also
Speaker 1: a huge Flow Joe fan. Try to get people to
Speaker 1: call me flow Joe. I never stuck. My name is
Speaker 1: too short to have a nickname. Joy. No, No, it's
Speaker 1: flow Joy. That was my email like everything. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I was very excited to see Shakery run and very disappointed,
Speaker 1: like everyone else was, to hear the news. But I
Speaker 1: think there's I mean, there's a million different angles on it.
Speaker 1: But the first thing for me is that I think
Speaker 1: what's being lost in the conversation about Shakery first and foremost,
Speaker 1: this young person lost her mother, and there's no empathy
Speaker 1: around the conversation is straight to follow the rules or
Speaker 1: the rules need to be changed or Michael Phelps and
Speaker 1: how she found out too, like the reporter told her
Speaker 1: that was the first time she heard that her mom
Speaker 1: died from And there's no empathy for this young person
Speaker 1: who is clearly suffering from a loss that all of
Speaker 1: us can understand and empathize with, but nobody is is
Speaker 1: putting that as the first thing that we're talking about.
Speaker 1: So first and foremost, like condolences to her for losing
Speaker 1: her mother and then losing her opportunity to compete in
Speaker 1: the Olympics, and then becoming a week's worth of news
Speaker 1: conversation about her personal life and her decisions and all
Speaker 1: of that is a lot for someone to go through,
Speaker 1: first and foremost. Second, I think sometimes in life, really
Speaker 1: dramatic things have to happen for there to be changed.
Speaker 1: And I mean, we all obviously are comfortable with the
Speaker 1: use of marijuana. Everyone around the world, everyone around our
Speaker 1: country is not, and that's okay. But facts don't care
Speaker 1: about feelings, and the facts are it's going to be
Speaker 1: legal everywhere. It's inevitable, it's not. It's not up to you,
Speaker 1: and like where you stand on it morally or religiously,
Speaker 1: like comes down to money, like everything in life, and
Speaker 1: it's going to bring in billions of dollars in tax money.
Speaker 1: So it's going to happen, because it's already happened in
Speaker 1: thirties six states and four territories and it's legal and
Speaker 1: dozens of countries around the world because there's an understanding
Speaker 1: and education about it. So, look, people don't like to drink,
Speaker 1: some people don't think that you should drink, but it's
Speaker 1: still legal and there's bars on every corner because the
Speaker 1: government makes money off of it and people like to
Speaker 1: do it. And when they stopped making alcohol legal, what
Speaker 1: do they do. It's speakeasy, like people still drink. People
Speaker 1: are gonna do what they want to do. Now, when
Speaker 1: it comes to marijuana and athletes, m I just think
Speaker 1: it's very hypocritical for leagues and organizations to not allow
Speaker 1: athletes to use marijuana, CBD or whatever it is when
Speaker 1: they're competing. But you don't test for alcohol, and you're
Speaker 1: which is worse, and you're comfortable with opioids and toward
Speaker 1: all shots and whatever else you can prescribe to someone
Speaker 1: to get them out on the court of the field
Speaker 1: of the track, but you have a problem with marijuana.
Speaker 1: So those things don't medically make sense, which then, of
Speaker 1: course leads to the conversation of this is institutionally a
Speaker 1: racist policy. Now again, it's a very nuanced conversation, so
Speaker 1: there's a lot of lots of breakdown. The bottom line
Speaker 1: is the rule needs to be changed. It's legal here,
Speaker 1: I don't care about around the world because everyone's talking
Speaker 1: about all I guess alcohol is not legal everywhere. They
Speaker 1: still don't test for alcohol. And more importantly, I think
Speaker 1: the main thing with this is it doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: she uses marijuana every day or not. She said she
Speaker 1: told us, And who am I to say she's a
Speaker 1: liar or you or anyone. She said she was in
Speaker 1: a moment of pain and chose to use marijuana legally
Speaker 1: because she was suffering. Right point blank, she wasn't competing high.
Speaker 1: This is not what's that's not what happens. And even
Speaker 1: if she was competing high, it doesn't matter, obviously because
Speaker 1: we all are aware of the effects of marijuana. But
Speaker 1: she wasn't doing that. So there's there's fifty million different
Speaker 1: layers to it. Bottom line is changed the rules so
Speaker 1: she can run. The sad part is as a as
Speaker 1: a community, so much as happened to us, they just
Speaker 1: expect us to be numb to everything, like just deal
Speaker 1: with it and move on and and and that's and
Speaker 1: that's really what I got out of it, Like, even
Speaker 1: even though you know it's rules, to everything. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, they don't expect us to be able
Speaker 1: to go through anything like deal with it and move on,
Speaker 1: and they expect us to be numb to everything, and
Speaker 1: that's not real life. We're human, Well that's what That's
Speaker 1: why she's tweeted, I'm I'm human. Yes, it's we can
Speaker 1: go on and on and on about the lack of
Speaker 1: empathy for black women and you know, their experiences and
Speaker 1: all that. Again, a whole other podcast we could do.
Speaker 1: I just try to get to a simple thought about it,
Speaker 1: and it's empathy first for what she's going through. And
Speaker 1: the rule has to change. And I think that because
Speaker 1: she has become the star that she is, and because
Speaker 1: it's so impactful with the Olympics being right around the corner,
Speaker 1: which they've already had a postpone because of COVID, Like
Speaker 1: this is a very big, powerful moment and everyone needs
Speaker 1: to be measured about. Okay, it's time to change the rule,
Speaker 1: and not just for track and field, not just for
Speaker 1: the Olympics, for all these leagues and find a way
Speaker 1: to provide alternatives for athletes that are not as harmful
Speaker 1: as the pills and the and the shots. And it's
Speaker 1: not like I'm not on this whole holistic thing. It's
Speaker 1: just these are fat. Like I'll talk to NFL players
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I took a handful of pills because
Speaker 1: so much pain just to get out on the field,
Speaker 1: Like a handful and my hands are like little, Like
Speaker 1: this is a big guys like extra, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I remember how many more pills you could fit. Not
Speaker 1: exaggerating you guys know. So I just think it's not
Speaker 1: for change, and it'll happen, I believe, because she has
Speaker 1: so much power. I'll take it even a step further,
Speaker 1: not only in athletics, but just the workplace in general.
Speaker 1: I mean people from a day to day deal with
Speaker 1: a lot of ship and like you said, alcohol is
Speaker 1: in testas, so people can binge drink and be funked
Speaker 1: up the next day, or pop a bunch of pills
Speaker 1: and go to work. But if you medicate with cannabis,
Speaker 1: you're a risk of losing your job. I don't want
Speaker 1: to measure what people feel like others should do because
Speaker 1: it's really like none of none of your business, you know,
Speaker 1: to each a zone. But it's a matter of education,
Speaker 1: Like there's just been this stigma applied to marijuana. That
Speaker 1: is not true. It's just not factually accurate. And I
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of patients for like lies like
Speaker 1: it's not it's just not true. So I think in
Speaker 1: a good level of education, taking the stigma away from it,
Speaker 1: making people aware of what it actually is and what
Speaker 1: people actually use it for, and stop making it be
Speaker 1: this like Nancy Reagan Gateway drug thing, like it's that's
Speaker 1: that's that was a lie. Real, it's not real. It's
Speaker 1: not because it's my opinion. It's facts like it is.
Speaker 1: There's there's actual there's like educational things you can study.
Speaker 1: If she wasn't black, do you think it would have
Speaker 1: been a big of a deal. No, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I agree because the reason why I say that because
Speaker 1: there was even attack and the Jamaican women talking about
Speaker 1: their testosterone levels was too high for women, you know,
Speaker 1: and they were talking about the other woman. They can't
Speaker 1: wear the swimmers couldn't wear certain things on the head.
Speaker 1: But you have a white lady, white man who now
Speaker 1: a woman competing in sports. But nobody's saying nothing about that.
Speaker 1: And when people are people are talking about it, you
Speaker 1: know what people are talking about it. I think, um,
Speaker 1: I will actually shouldn't say that it's just because Shakey
Speaker 1: is black. She Carry is a star. She carry out
Speaker 1: a moment and everyone got excited about it, and everyone
Speaker 1: was ready to see her and in a in a
Speaker 1: kind of rare space for us as a country because
Speaker 1: we don't agree on anything, and everyone was excited about
Speaker 1: something that we only get every four years, which is
Speaker 1: the Olympics, which we can all get behind. It's a
Speaker 1: really interesting moment of a lot of different aspects coming
Speaker 1: together to get people talking. So I think it's important
Speaker 1: and I hope, you know, I hope she Carry is
Speaker 1: being supported because she's been talked about a lot and
Speaker 1: that can be very stressful, I'm sure, but you know
Speaker 1: she is. She is now the face of it, and
Speaker 1: I think that I think it's I think it's important
Speaker 1: that she is because she's she has that kind of
Speaker 1: star power to make a change. Well, I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's on the level that he was on,
Speaker 1: but I think it's, like you said, the star power
Speaker 1: that's going to get things moved. As a Kaepernick situation,
Speaker 1: you know, he had to be the sacrificial lamb. She
Speaker 1: is a sacrificial lamb in this situation. Fortunately she's young
Speaker 1: enough to still be able to compete. She can compete
Speaker 1: later or next year, UM, and hopefully make the next
Speaker 1: of limits. But like you said, I think the star
Speaker 1: power it starts the conversation in sports, which leads to
Speaker 1: hopefully some sort of change. So hopefully something good to
Speaker 1: come out of this. UM. Let's go to your upbringing Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: But spent a lot of time in South Florida with
Speaker 1: your brother playing out there. Talked to us about your upbringing.
Speaker 1: So I was born and raised in Pittsburgh four one two. UM.
Speaker 1: I was actually homeschooled until my junior year of high school.
Speaker 1: What was that like? I couldn't imagine it was. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people just through this last
Speaker 1: year school in a way. So really, from kindergarten to
Speaker 1: your junior high school, you never went to a real school. No.
Speaker 1: I couldn't wait to get out the house. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm outside all the time out. No. I played sports though,
Speaker 1: so I was running track, um au when I was
Speaker 1: really young, played basketball, soccer, volleyball. Uh was a church kid,
Speaker 1: so I was always a always at church, always out
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood and a bunch of kids and uh
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. So I was very socialized, which is
Speaker 1: why I'm only like kind of weird. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so I went to school at Wooden Hills where I
Speaker 1: played sports my junior year, so I kind of knew,
Speaker 1: you know, a decent amount of people because I was
Speaker 1: there with anybody who played sports of school there, I knew.
Speaker 1: So I was like half a new girl. Um. But
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh is a great place to grow up. It's a
Speaker 1: you know, it's a sports town, blue collar place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my brother was drafted in kind of not like it
Speaker 1: was different then, like everyone thinks now, like you know,
Speaker 1: you get drafted, it's like the whole you know, big
Speaker 1: draft days, schefters say in your name, and it was
Speaker 1: like we had like a bunch of people in our
Speaker 1: house and Turtle Creek and he's like stressing over the phone,
Speaker 1: being at the wall. But it was it was interesting
Speaker 1: seeing him go from you know where we grew up
Speaker 1: to Miami to then becoming a star in Miami and
Speaker 1: then eventually becoming a Hall of Famer, which is probably
Speaker 1: why I look at sports as we started talking about
Speaker 1: it from a more human perspective because I've seen him,
Speaker 1: you know, try to make the team and then you know,
Speaker 1: be so big walking around Miami he couldn't like eat
Speaker 1: our restaurants, and then not being with the Dolphins anymore,
Speaker 1: and got to make the team in New York and
Speaker 1: then coming back and retiring, and then you know, I
Speaker 1: was there with him when he got told he was
Speaker 1: making into the Hall of Fame. So I've seen everything
Speaker 1: that cuts the trades, and I think like that and
Speaker 1: me being an athlete my self growing up, you know,
Speaker 1: getting recruited for track and soccer in college, I just
Speaker 1: have a different perspective on on sports and just what
Speaker 1: it means when I cover people and talk about people,
Speaker 1: like I kind of look at it as whatever I say,
Speaker 1: this person is gonna hear, Like, there's a camera right there,
Speaker 1: so this is this is face to face to me.
Speaker 1: So I think that kind of changed my my perspective
Speaker 1: on things and just being a woman in sports. Like
Speaker 1: everyone in pittsburghs a sports fan. So when people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: like how did you get into sports, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, how did you get into sports? I don't
Speaker 1: know get your family watch sports? And like you had
Speaker 1: a favorite team and like the same way you did.
Speaker 1: But my grandmother and my two aunts lived together and
Speaker 1: they were like whatever they watch on TV all day
Speaker 1: when the game's on, turning over and they're mad or
Speaker 1: they're happy, and then they're back to talking about the
Speaker 1: weather like this was. These three old ladies did so
Speaker 1: watching sports and being a sports fan, which just never
Speaker 1: it was never like a thing to me. Who did
Speaker 1: you enjoy watching and who are you rooting for? So
Speaker 1: everyone's a Steelers fan obviously in Pittsburgh, you're know allowed
Speaker 1: to be there. Although my mom made her way around
Speaker 1: that she's a Cowboys fan, but she liked them. I
Speaker 1: don't blame her. I don't blame her. Here you go.
Speaker 1: I don't know how she got away with that. Um yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love the Steelers, but I also love Dan Marino.
Speaker 1: He's a pick guy. So I always had like a
Speaker 1: thing for the Dolphins, and then you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm a root for whatever team my family's on. Of course,
Speaker 1: you know we were talking, uh to Mark Sanchez earlier
Speaker 1: about the two thousand ten Jets. I was like, I
Speaker 1: was a Jets fan that year, like Jason's. I don't
Speaker 1: hate the Jets any other year, but Jason on the team,
Speaker 1: Like I'm a root for the Jets. What you're talking
Speaker 1: about his family over everything. But yeah, it's and I
Speaker 1: still I don't really get hurt by any team anymore,
Speaker 1: but I still let the heat hurt me a little bit.
Speaker 1: This is a little bit. It's like a you know,
Speaker 1: it's different when you're doing national because I can't like
Speaker 1: dig in with the team, you know everybody. Definitely, I
Speaker 1: do love the heat. Any memorable stories being around your
Speaker 1: brother and the Dolphins that you were kind of coming
Speaker 1: up in this space, let me see which one I
Speaker 1: want to tell. Uh, let me think. So he was
Speaker 1: he just needs to be really protective in me. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's not. He don't care any more. No, No, because
Speaker 1: he's older. He's twelve years older than me, and I
Speaker 1: don't have a relationship with my dad, so he you know,
Speaker 1: he wasn't really like around UM that much growing up
Speaker 1: because he's so much older than me. Um. And then
Speaker 1: he was in Florida, so like I pretty much grew
Speaker 1: up with him, you know, not being in the house around.
Speaker 1: But when I got to Miami, you know, he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, because I went to college on there like
Speaker 1: this is my sister or whatever, and I was always
Speaker 1: really respectful, like this is his space, so this is
Speaker 1: my space days and uh, you know, one of his
Speaker 1: teammates switched out to me on my Space like that's
Speaker 1: the old school d ms. But you remember, my Space
Speaker 1: didn't really have like verified pages, so it was really
Speaker 1: kind of difficult to find out if somebody was like
Speaker 1: this page or is just like a big time fagure.
Speaker 1: The one time I was on my Space when we
Speaker 1: played for the words together, I left the girl at
Speaker 1: the door because she didn't look the same in the picture.
Speaker 1: Then she did when she came to the door, so
Speaker 1: she got left there. But go ahead and finish yourself.
Speaker 1: Left you didn't lie to me, she looked like her picture.
Speaker 1: That's a lie, whether you're talking or show. And that's
Speaker 1: a lot. I gotta see the evidence. I'll trust you
Speaker 1: on it. Um. So anyway, I didn't know if it
Speaker 1: was him, but then I was like, he's not like
Speaker 1: he's not big enough to have a fake page, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like either this is a serial
Speaker 1: killer or like this is him, like they're was making
Speaker 1: a fake page for him. So anyway, he said something
Speaker 1: about my pictures or whatever. So I went over to
Speaker 1: Jason's house the next day and I showed uh, showed
Speaker 1: his ex wife and she was like, oh, you gotta
Speaker 1: tell Jason. And I was like, we wah. I want
Speaker 1: to tell him, but like what is there to tell?
Speaker 1: Like I didn't like not talking to him, like this
Speaker 1: is the entire exchange. So he comes in whatever I
Speaker 1: showed to him and he goes, I mean nuts, He's screaming.
Speaker 1: He's so mad at me. I'm like, I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't do anything, like I'm showing you. This is the
Speaker 1: this is the entire exchange, Like I'm showing this to you,
Speaker 1: like I don't care about First of all, I adn't
Speaker 1: go risk it over. This one was real, but like
Speaker 1: I'm showing it to you. I'm like, why are you
Speaker 1: so mad? He's like, well, he he saw you in
Speaker 1: the parking lot at the last game. I'm in college
Speaker 1: at this point. He saw you in the parking lot
Speaker 1: and he said something to me about you, like in
Speaker 1: the locker room, and I told him, don't talk to her.
Speaker 1: That's my sister, Like she's not she's not for you.
Speaker 1: Don't talk to her, don't say her name, like nothing
Speaker 1: because he didn't. He didn't also didn't like him to
Speaker 1: begin with, so it's like so so I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: so he like he did it anyway, and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm gonna see him tomorrow facility. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, whatever, I don't care what you do, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't care what you do with him. It's not
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you. This is what he did. And
Speaker 1: he saw him the next day and like in front
Speaker 1: of him, and the dude was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what you're so mad for. There's mad bitches on my space.
Speaker 1: Which why you would call someone sister a bitch to
Speaker 1: their face after you got to talk to her in
Speaker 1: the first place, I don't know. But anyway, um, they
Speaker 1: proceeded to fight and tear to locker room up a
Speaker 1: little bit. But I thought that was, yeah, that is
Speaker 1: good because I was innocent, innocent, innocent on all counts.
Speaker 1: He was going to take a beat down over the floor,
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Jay is what all pro the man
Speaker 1: right here on the team. So you're really it wasn't
Speaker 1: a logical decision on any on any account. I mean,
Speaker 1: it just was. It was wild. It was wild. To
Speaker 1: me because I'm like, I didn't even do anything, Like
Speaker 1: I'm just here existing over here in mind of my business,
Speaker 1: trying to you know, pass just pilosophy of art, and
Speaker 1: you're bothering me. But tell us about Barry University where
Speaker 1: you went in Miami. You were there for four years
Speaker 1: oh five or oh five to oh nine. Talk to
Speaker 1: us about that experience and what it was like and
Speaker 1: how you kind of found your footing and broadcasting making
Speaker 1: me feel Actually, I transferred to Berry. I was. I
Speaker 1: ran track my freshman year at I e. P In Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: and then I transferred to Berry. Berry is great. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love that school. I I wound up there because
Speaker 1: I couldn't find how to get there when it was
Speaker 1: what was the two thousand and six I guess I
Speaker 1: was trying to find directions and I called I mean
Speaker 1: there was in GPS. Then. I don't know how old
Speaker 1: people are really watching this, so I'm just driving around
Speaker 1: trying to find it. And I called the office and um,
Speaker 1: one of the secretary stayed on the phone with me
Speaker 1: for like forty minutes, got me there, set me up
Speaker 1: with a tour, and like that was my whole experience. There.
Speaker 1: It's very like small school, private school, and the professors
Speaker 1: really care about, like you, developing and learning every aspect
Speaker 1: of the business. So you learn how to produce, you
Speaker 1: learn how to make a show, you learn how to
Speaker 1: use the camera, you learn how to edit, you know
Speaker 1: how to do radio, like you do everything in there.
Speaker 1: And I feel like it really helped me, Like it
Speaker 1: really gave me, not just the education on like you know,
Speaker 1: I graduated from college, but I really learned how to
Speaker 1: like be a broadcaster, what all this means, what all
Speaker 1: the technical stuff means. And I still apply that to
Speaker 1: what I do today. Like things I learned in college,
Speaker 1: I still use today. Probably the most useful thing, which
Speaker 1: I was not listening to at the time was writing.
Speaker 1: All My professor was like, you have to write. You
Speaker 1: have to write, you have to write. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to write forever. You have to write, and every job
Speaker 1: you have. And I like to write. But I didn't
Speaker 1: understand the value of what they were saying until I
Speaker 1: really got into the business and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess this is the thing you gotta do every day.
Speaker 1: And I still write. I still write every day. But
Speaker 1: Barry was amazing. Um and I'm I'm really grateful I
Speaker 1: got together. What are some of your early memories breaking
Speaker 1: into radio while you're in college? So I started in
Speaker 1: radio at Barry Actually we had a student radio station
Speaker 1: there and I was a manager. And radio is just
Speaker 1: there's no no pause. There's no pause in radio. You
Speaker 1: just have to make mouth sounds for as is on.
Speaker 1: But I love That's why I love radio. I really
Speaker 1: love radio because it gives you an ability to create
Speaker 1: a scene for someone while they're listening. So they call
Speaker 1: it theater the minds, and a great radio show is
Speaker 1: part of your people's routine. They're driving into work in
Speaker 1: the morning, or they're driving home after work. Are there,
Speaker 1: you know, a delivery driver and they listen every day
Speaker 1: and they just become a part of your life, and
Speaker 1: you become a part of theirs, like what's what's going
Speaker 1: on your personal life, like what your ticks are, all
Speaker 1: of this, all this becomes a part of your personality.
Speaker 1: And I love that radio gaves you the opportunity to
Speaker 1: do that. And TV can do that, but you don't
Speaker 1: have the flexibility on television because you have heart outs
Speaker 1: and the commercials and commercials and radio, but it's not
Speaker 1: the same thing. So yeah, but you have to be
Speaker 1: able to talk a lot all day, all day. So
Speaker 1: preparation is really what radio taught me the most. If
Speaker 1: you're not prepared, you're not going to do a good
Speaker 1: radio show. We've all listened to terrible radio shows where
Speaker 1: they're just babbling and like scratching trying to find something
Speaker 1: to say, and it's a lot of pressure. But I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad I got to start where I did
Speaker 1: because every rep makes you better at anything, the sports, television, radio, whatever,
Speaker 1: and I got to get a lot of my my
Speaker 1: worst moments out when nobody was listening. Post college, what
Speaker 1: was there an opportunity or two that helped you break
Speaker 1: into the industry. Yeah, one of the things that definitely
Speaker 1: helps me get from the next level once I started
Speaker 1: in radio. I mean, interning is very important and this business,
Speaker 1: having an internship is important. Um. I did two internships
Speaker 1: when I was in college, both radio wanted an entertainment
Speaker 1: radio station music station and a sports radio station, which
Speaker 1: both helped me tremendously because really all of this is entertainment, like,
Speaker 1: this is the entertainment industry. But actually being told I
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough for a job really kind of pushed
Speaker 1: me into what eventually became my first full time job
Speaker 1: in the business, and then that led to me having
Speaker 1: the radio show in Miami that I had for a
Speaker 1: few years before I came to F one, which eventually
Speaker 1: led me to FS one, which eventually led me to
Speaker 1: hear on this couch with you two. So every note
Speaker 1: isn't a bad thing? Um? I was. Ironically, I was
Speaker 1: filling in as an update anchor, which is now technically
Speaker 1: my unt I was filling in the regular guy was
Speaker 1: al he was sick. The program director told me to
Speaker 1: do the updates and so I did them as like
Speaker 1: a Friday. Came back Monday and I was doing them
Speaker 1: again because the guy was still loud. He came in
Speaker 1: yelling screaming at me, who who told you to do updates? Mike?
Speaker 1: You remember them all day and Friday? Yeah? And uh anyway,
Speaker 1: long story short, he told me I couldn't do them anymore.
Speaker 1: Then I talked to another boss and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're You're not to do updates. At this point, I
Speaker 1: already been at the station for a year. I've already
Speaker 1: graduated from college. Multiple internships, including one at the station
Speaker 1: I'm working in now, I'm doing fill ins on the weekend,
Speaker 1: Like I can read a thirty second script with some
Speaker 1: scores on it. I believe in myself, like I know
Speaker 1: I can at least I can do that. I can
Speaker 1: do it. And I was ready, like I just felt
Speaker 1: like I'm ready for the next step. But had he
Speaker 1: not done that, I probably would have stayed there. I
Speaker 1: would have kept working part time eight dollars an hour
Speaker 1: whatever it was before taxes, and working five days a
Speaker 1: week on South Beach bartending. I probably would have kept
Speaker 1: doing that. But because he told me no, I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I think it's probably time to move on.
Speaker 1: So I started reaching out and see if there were
Speaker 1: any other jobs available. I got interviewed for the executive
Speaker 1: producer job, got that job, and then this is history.
Speaker 1: William mentors and role models in the media space. UM,
Speaker 1: I don't. I wouldn't say I had a lot of mentors.
Speaker 1: Danne Lebatar was really helpful for me and my me.
Speaker 1: He was big for me. Zan is a big advocate
Speaker 1: of all of his people. He's a big advocate of
Speaker 1: diversity obviously. Um he helped me alive and that was
Speaker 1: that was his station. Nine, Um where I started when
Speaker 1: it started IF at sixty, But he was big. Um.
Speaker 1: Joe Rose gave me my first internship. Internship in the
Speaker 1: business IF I Have sixty, which is where eventually got
Speaker 1: hired DJ Las and Miami was big. He allowed me
Speaker 1: to produce his show as an intern, gave me a
Speaker 1: lot of responsibility. But that taught me how to make
Speaker 1: a good show, how to be flexible, do things that
Speaker 1: relate to the community, really relate to the listener. So
Speaker 1: he was big. Um. I didn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: female mentors, which I wish I had more of, but
Speaker 1: there you know, could use a few more women in
Speaker 1: the business. Um. But yeah, those those guys definitely really
Speaker 1: helped me. And I mean I've worked with amazing, amazing talent.
Speaker 1: Colin has been huge for me. Um. Skip Bayless obviously
Speaker 1: did a lot for me and my my career. He
Speaker 1: was great to me. UM Shannon as well. Uh Jonathan Zaslow,
Speaker 1: my co host in Miami. He really advocated for me. Um.
Speaker 1: Dan Celio said Rosenberg. I mean I worked with just
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of men that really really
Speaker 1: pushed for me and fought for me, and that's that's
Speaker 1: helped me a lot in my career. So when did
Speaker 1: you realize or or what point in your career did
Speaker 1: you realize you were heading in the right direction, Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is where I'm supposed to be. I'm starting to
Speaker 1: make waves in it. So after college kind of had
Speaker 1: the ability to relate to a lot of kids who
Speaker 1: are coming out of college with COVID this past year,
Speaker 1: because it was very scary for anyone obviously was graduating
Speaker 1: from school trying to find a job, especially in this business.
Speaker 1: When I graduated from school, I was lined up to
Speaker 1: essentially take over the job I was already doing at
Speaker 1: Para Nundy six in Miami with DJ Last, and the
Speaker 1: whole industry had a hiring freeze because clear Channel, which
Speaker 1: is now I heard Media fired half their staff. Yes
Speaker 1: if I half their staff, So it froze the whole
Speaker 1: the whole business, And so I couldn't get the job
Speaker 1: because I was technically an intern and they would only
Speaker 1: promote from within and I wasn't actually an employee, So
Speaker 1: I was kind of stuck. After school, I know what
Speaker 1: to do, Like I had all my eggs in that basket,
Speaker 1: like that was a job I was gonna get. I
Speaker 1: didn't look anywhere else. I didn't I didn't know what
Speaker 1: to do. So I kind of like wandered around freelancing
Speaker 1: doing random things for about a year and a half
Speaker 1: after school, and I had a bad relationship, wound up
Speaker 1: in a kind of bad space, and I mean I
Speaker 1: was just like completely and totally lost back in Miami,
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what, like, what's the first step
Speaker 1: to really like get on the path to launch my career.
Speaker 1: I don't know even know where to go. Nobody's hiring,
Speaker 1: I don't have a job. I'm sleeping on my friend's couch.
Speaker 1: I gave her that couch two years ago, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. And I was talking
Speaker 1: to a friend of mine is very successful, and I'm
Speaker 1: complaining and I'm bitching, and he's like, just stop talking
Speaker 1: for a second. What's something you want for yourself and
Speaker 1: the next three years? Give me anything? Could be a man,
Speaker 1: could be a car, like a job, whatever. What is
Speaker 1: it that you want for yourself in the next three years,
Speaker 1: not ten years. What do you want to be when
Speaker 1: you grow up three years? I was like, I want
Speaker 1: to be full time on air radio or TV in
Speaker 1: the next three years. He's like, great, how much of
Speaker 1: your energy are you putting towards making that happen? And
Speaker 1: I thought it was a very specific word. He used,
Speaker 1: not time, not money, energy, And I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know ten like, I have a job, I have
Speaker 1: no money, I'm sleeping on a couch. I don't like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, and my family is
Speaker 1: not talking to me, Like I'm in a bad space.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, why are you surprised that's not happening
Speaker 1: for you then? And I don't know if it's where
Speaker 1: I was or like everything I had just gone through
Speaker 1: or was listening, or I was just at that moment
Speaker 1: in life. We all have it where we like stop
Speaker 1: trying to figure everything out for ourselves and listen to
Speaker 1: people who know more. And I haven't strayed from that
Speaker 1: mantra ever since. I was like, Okay, I have this goal.
Speaker 1: Everything I do is going to align with reaching that goal,
Speaker 1: and all my energy is going to go towards that.
Speaker 1: And energy is like, if you understand the concept of energy,
Speaker 1: it's a lot more than just one thing, and it
Speaker 1: has to be all of those things in order to
Speaker 1: be successful. Because people talk about I want to be
Speaker 1: successful all the time? Successful at what what are you
Speaker 1: willing to do to get that? What do you want
Speaker 1: to do? But what is it that you want to
Speaker 1: be successful? Do you want to be a successful entrepreneur?
Speaker 1: Do you want to be a successful doctor, successful lawyer,
Speaker 1: a successful fashion designer, photographer, television hosts? All those things
Speaker 1: have different paths and different things you need to be
Speaker 1: doing right now to reach that goal, and your energy
Speaker 1: has to be put towards that. It's just like sports.
Speaker 1: If you want to be the best player of all time,
Speaker 1: would you gotta have mamba mentality? You can't just show
Speaker 1: up and shoot around for fifteen minutes and think that's
Speaker 1: gonna happen for you, even if you are the most talented,
Speaker 1: so mamba mentality. So no, it's that's that was really
Speaker 1: like a moment for me that changed my not just
Speaker 1: my career but my whole life. But it definitely put
Speaker 1: me on the right, like the right path. How do
Speaker 1: you feel how important it is it is it to
Speaker 1: become an inspiration for women in the sports business. I
Speaker 1: want to be in sports. Um, it's very important for
Speaker 1: me because I really didn't I didn't have I had
Speaker 1: a few people who reached out Leslie Visser and a
Speaker 1: few other people. But I think that it's I didn't
Speaker 1: really always realize the power or the importance of it.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're younger, you don't realize that people
Speaker 1: are looking at you. And now it's the it's the
Speaker 1: most important thing to me, because what a lot of
Speaker 1: guys talk about, like, oh, like, why are women so
Speaker 1: supportive of each other in the business, Like you know,
Speaker 1: men aren't like that. Men are more competitive, like we
Speaker 1: always got we we always got. And the more women
Speaker 1: that there are in the business, the less of a
Speaker 1: thing it is. Then people turn on the TV and
Speaker 1: see a woman and they're like, oh, well, that's good,
Speaker 1: that's good that they put a girl on the show. Like, no,
Speaker 1: it's just this is what I'm watching. You don't think
Speaker 1: about that when you watch news men women, all women
Speaker 1: hosted show, all men hosted show, it's not thinking you're
Speaker 1: just watching the news. But with sports, that's not what
Speaker 1: it is. And there's always a qualification and there's always
Speaker 1: a need to explain why she's qualified for this particular job,
Speaker 1: and it's always a thing. So to me, having more
Speaker 1: women in the business, a variety of women in the business.
Speaker 1: Empowered women in the business is very important. So it's
Speaker 1: my main goal in my career two leave the business
Speaker 1: looking different than the way that I came into it. Right, Absolutely,
Speaker 1: What has your experience been like? Its Fox? Fox has
Speaker 1: been Fox has been great. It's been a huge platform
Speaker 1: for me. Obviously, I started in Miami, which is a
Speaker 1: big market, but I wasn't a national voice before I
Speaker 1: came to Fox, and I hadn't done live national television.
Speaker 1: I worked for CBS Sports when I was in Miami.
Speaker 1: But um, working with Skip and Shannon was unbelievable. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you know the Skipp as Shannon, you know that
Speaker 1: that's like an intense show to do and it's you know,
Speaker 1: three twenty in the morning, it's a two and a
Speaker 1: half hour show together. Yeah, yeah, So it's a it's
Speaker 1: a big undertaking. But traveling to your point, Cleveland and
Speaker 1: Oakland and the Super Bowl and McGregor fight in New York,
Speaker 1: like the US Open, having all those experiences really just
Speaker 1: I think for me helps me develop in a huge
Speaker 1: way as a talent. I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff going on on that show behind the scenes, and
Speaker 1: as a moderator, you gotta make sure everything's going like
Speaker 1: they're just they're in their own zone. Like you gotta
Speaker 1: do all the technical things, prompters down, you gotta read
Speaker 1: it on the scripts. I hope you got your scripts
Speaker 1: in order. Like there's a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 1: So that really helped me a lot. And now working
Speaker 1: with Collins been favorite, by the way, just as far
Speaker 1: as people just talking their ship, Collins one of my
Speaker 1: favorite and he's the best. Add to him, he's the
Speaker 1: best ad reader on TV. Let's do a good read.
Speaker 1: Colin has been great. He's he's a you know, he's
Speaker 1: a family guy. He's chill. He likes having his his
Speaker 1: cocktail and his um, you know, his nice piece of fish,
Speaker 1: and he's just he's one of those people that just
Speaker 1: really loves life. And that's a that's a that's a
Speaker 1: relief as a talent to work with somebody else who's
Speaker 1: very chill, because it's a stressful business and you know,
Speaker 1: there's this there's some shows like listen, you can't calling
Speaker 1: sick like I couldn't call and sick on Unisputed, I
Speaker 1: called him sick twice in two years. And I'm not
Speaker 1: sick a lot. But like there's no one else to
Speaker 1: do the show four o'clock in the morning, you can't call,
Speaker 1: there's no one to come in. It's just like you
Speaker 1: even figured out. So it's uh, it's been amazing work
Speaker 1: on call. And he's a huge UH supporter and um
Speaker 1: he makes he makes a show really fun and easy.
Speaker 1: You killed Undisputed. But people don't know how difficult it is.
Speaker 1: It had to be a strong woman with a high
Speaker 1: with a high i Q to run that show with
Speaker 1: them too, because I've been on the show and she knows,
Speaker 1: she knows when to cut him off to go to commercial.
Speaker 1: She knows, Like it's not easy with two people like
Speaker 1: them rambling at each other the whole time, like they
Speaker 1: won't even think about a commercial. It takes a respect
Speaker 1: to do that job because you do have to cut
Speaker 1: them off. So you gotta know when to cut them off.
Speaker 1: So it's not of salty situations. Right. Look, they're both professionals.
Speaker 1: They know we're doing a television show. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, we got commercials. We gotta get to break,
Speaker 1: we gotta get to the next block. But they would
Speaker 1: just do that same topic for the next if you
Speaker 1: let them. So. The funny thing that people don't I
Speaker 1: guess the thing that they assume about Undisputed. I don't
Speaker 1: know how it is on first day because I don't
Speaker 1: work on that show, but I'll disputed. People always like,
Speaker 1: what's it like in the breaks? I'm like, they're not
Speaker 1: fighting in then goes over to the quarter, He's looking
Speaker 1: at his notes, Shannon's on his phone, or he's you know,
Speaker 1: singing or whatever, like as soon as the as soon
Speaker 1: as the camera's off, like it's onto the next blot,
Speaker 1: So there's no real like animosity. It's like arguing with
Speaker 1: your friend, like all right, all right, we're done. Where
Speaker 1: we're gonna go eat? You know. That's that's kind of
Speaker 1: how it is. But people always think it's like more
Speaker 1: in the break, and I'm like, damn, we would be
Speaker 1: tired as hell. Great great sparring sessions though, session. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you these three men that you've worked with,
Speaker 1: and just tell me a little bit about or what
Speaker 1: you think about each of them. Uh, Shannon Sharp. Shannon
Speaker 1: has become one of the biggest stars in sports media.
Speaker 1: He was already obviously a star in football Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer legendary broadcaster, but now he is like on a
Speaker 1: whole other level like Unk has become and what it
Speaker 1: is is because he gets it, Like he really understands
Speaker 1: social media. He understands how to do a great show,
Speaker 1: he understands how to do a great interview, and he
Speaker 1: doesn't take himself seriously, which I think is so important
Speaker 1: for that show. Is that he's gonna go at it
Speaker 1: with Skip. They're gonna have their battles, their sparring sessions,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, he's gonna crack
Speaker 1: a joke, keep it moving like he is. He really
Speaker 1: knows how to maintain that balance. So he's he's so
Speaker 1: fun to work with and just he's a great person.
Speaker 1: Shout out uh Drip Bayless, Drip Veyless. I love love
Speaker 1: that chain. It's amazing Skip is. Skip is great, Skip
Speaker 1: has been. I don't even know how to describe what
Speaker 1: Skips don't like just done for me in my career.
Speaker 1: A lot of people think Skip is like very hard
Speaker 1: and like mean. He's he's a passionate person, so I
Speaker 1: think he's misunderstood. And look, they do a show where
Speaker 1: they give their opinion. Some people are gonna like your opinion,
Speaker 1: some people aren't. But I've seen Skip on the road.
Speaker 1: You've seen Skip on the road. Don't get it twisted.
Speaker 1: People love Skip. They love Skip, and Skip loves the people.
Speaker 1: And Skip is gonna sit in there after every show,
Speaker 1: shake everybody's hand, take a picture with whoever is there,
Speaker 1: talk to them for as long as they want to
Speaker 1: talk to him. And he really loves doing and cares
Speaker 1: a lot about doing a great show. And he understands
Speaker 1: the importance of people are giving their time to us
Speaker 1: to watch this show. So I'm gonna do that my
Speaker 1: best buy them and give them an entertaining show. And
Speaker 1: he lives and breathe and die sports, like his wife
Speaker 1: wrote a book about how to do with someone who
Speaker 1: is obsessed with sports. Like he's on another level with that.
Speaker 1: He's gonna watch anything that's on TV when it comes
Speaker 1: to sports. But he's also just a really sweet person.
Speaker 1: Like we had to work Christmas Day for the first
Speaker 1: two years of month disputed, which is for me, is
Speaker 1: hard to have a big family, and like it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to be on l A. Out Here in
Speaker 1: l A, everybody's in the East Coast, so I can't
Speaker 1: go see them, Like Kim and his wife had me
Speaker 1: at their house for Christmas, Like there amazing people, and
Speaker 1: he's been incredible to me. I love hearing that soccer
Speaker 1: side because I mean, Shannon told us how much he
Speaker 1: advocated for him to be on that show. He Skip
Speaker 1: said he wasn't going to do that show unless Shannon
Speaker 1: Sharp did it, you know, So to be able to
Speaker 1: see the other side of Skip, because, like you said,
Speaker 1: unless you know him behind the scenes, you only see
Speaker 1: Skip from from the show, and you think, you know
Speaker 1: you that's like only seeing us on the court. You
Speaker 1: think that's who we are as people. But to see
Speaker 1: it and hear the other side, I think that's dope. Well,
Speaker 1: Skip and I actually talking about being a face to
Speaker 1: face person. When I was getting talking to a Skip
Speaker 1: and everyone about being on the show, some tweets came
Speaker 1: out from me about Skip in the past when I
Speaker 1: was in Miami, and you know, Skip as a Spurs
Speaker 1: fan that hard. I'm a Heat fan, and I'm want
Speaker 1: a show in Miami when the whole world hates Miami.
Speaker 1: So Skip and I had already met a bunch of
Speaker 1: times before this, and then they came out and I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, well, you know, if he doesn't
Speaker 1: want me to be on the show, I don't understand
Speaker 1: like that sucks, but I understand, like this is just
Speaker 1: what happens. But I was like, I want to talk
Speaker 1: to him. I must tell him face to face, explain
Speaker 1: myself and you know, have a conversation with him. So
Speaker 1: I went met with him and I was like, first
Speaker 1: of all, I apologize. Obviously, I know you personally I
Speaker 1: don't feel this way, but you know, first and foremost,
Speaker 1: I think it's important when you say something that harms someone,
Speaker 1: it's okay to really actually apologize, Like it doesn't make
Speaker 1: you less of a person, he doesn't make you like anything.
Speaker 1: It's the right thing to do. If anyone in your
Speaker 1: life did something and they said you hurt me or
Speaker 1: this or that, are you offended me? Just apologize. So
Speaker 1: I said, I'm sorry for that, and this is why
Speaker 1: we're doing the show in Miami. Everyone in the world
Speaker 1: hates Miami. You're a Spurs fan. Obviously had some things
Speaker 1: to say about and he would like could not have
Speaker 1: been better about it to me. He was like, it's
Speaker 1: it's cool. I get it. I get the show we do.
Speaker 1: I get the show you how to do in Miami.
Speaker 1: I've done local before. Like fans want to hear only
Speaker 1: positive stuff about their team, and he was like, understand
Speaker 1: that this is what sports radio is and like could
Speaker 1: not have been cooler about it. Love Ski. That's the
Speaker 1: reason why I'm still working on Disputed and started work
Speaker 1: because the skipped like he loved to have me on,
Speaker 1: not just because I was brought a championship to the Spurs,
Speaker 1: but he loved he loved different aspects. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: you know, with him being so smart, he still want
Speaker 1: to hear what players have to He's a showman. I
Speaker 1: love it, like I said, I just like he likes said.
Speaker 1: I think those two together know how to make their
Speaker 1: great showman until they know how to make a great show.
Speaker 1: I think the show triggers people because the beats of
Speaker 1: the show require you to have strong opinions you don't
Speaker 1: back off of, and people think that the opinions are manufactured,
Speaker 1: and they're not. It's just a well produced show. So
Speaker 1: even if they do topics they agree on sometimes because
Speaker 1: they have to do the topic, but they're gonna come
Speaker 1: from their angle and that's what makes the debate. So
Speaker 1: it's not oh uh, what do you what do you
Speaker 1: think about the game tonight? Well, I think you Honest,
Speaker 1: you know is pretty good. I think you honest is
Speaker 1: going to do well to okay, me too, what I'll say,
Speaker 1: he's gonna suck. That's that's not how it's produced. It's
Speaker 1: a question, and then they naturally have other opinions, and
Speaker 1: that's how the show is produced. So people think it's
Speaker 1: all manufactured and it's not. Last but not least Colin
Speaker 1: cow Her great Colin Coward, Colin is. He cares so
Speaker 1: much about doing a really good show, So we prep different.
Speaker 1: There's a little like behind the scenes for Undisputed are
Speaker 1: show meeting thirty minutes if that usually twenty minutes, and
Speaker 1: it's just here's the topics, here's the question, who's going first,
Speaker 1: who's going second, Here's where the guests are, everybody out.
Speaker 1: There's no conversation about what Skip's opinion is or Shannon's
Speaker 1: opinion is. They both go their separate ways with their
Speaker 1: producers and start working on their notes, and then I
Speaker 1: go to hair and makeup and start working on my notes.
Speaker 1: So there's no long conversation in the meeting. Heard is
Speaker 1: a two hour meeting. We're going over every single topic,
Speaker 1: every single angle. All the producers are weighing in, I'm
Speaker 1: waning in Collins weighing in. So it's a completely different
Speaker 1: process to prep for the show. Now there's two different shows.
Speaker 1: Colin and I do a three hour radio show and
Speaker 1: that's the debate shows, so the beats are different. But
Speaker 1: he just preps so much like he doesn't like having
Speaker 1: space where he's just rambling. He hates that. Now he
Speaker 1: and I can have it back and forth. But you'll
Speaker 1: notice we don't do a whole lot. We're not gonna
Speaker 1: have a whole segment where we're talking about like Dorito's like,
Speaker 1: we're just we're doing a sports show and we want
Speaker 1: to do a good show. And he's gonna show up
Speaker 1: every day giving you the best show that he can do.
Speaker 1: And he's just like I said, he's a family guy.
Speaker 1: He loves hanging out with his wife, loves hanging out
Speaker 1: with his kids. They have six of them together, so
Speaker 1: he's like all about his family and just enjoying life.
Speaker 1: Like he's he's a very cool, fun person to work with.
Speaker 1: We wanted to moving from Undisputed to What's the Hurt? Well, Um,
Speaker 1: So I started in radio as we know, so and
Speaker 1: I talk a lot as we know I think you
Speaker 1: can tell that by now. So when I started on Undisputed, well,
Speaker 1: when I came to this one, I guess I should
Speaker 1: say I was doing a four hour radio show in
Speaker 1: Miami before I came How long is the hurt Her
Speaker 1: three hours air? Hour on air? Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: with commercials and all that, Like you're not actually talking
Speaker 1: for the three straight hours, but it's a three hour show.
Speaker 1: I came to FS one to be an opinionist, so
Speaker 1: you're not giving your opinion and your moderator. Now, it's
Speaker 1: a huge platform working with Skipp and Shannon, and a
Speaker 1: big opportunity, and it was vital for my career to
Speaker 1: do that show. But when I went into the show,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna do that for this
Speaker 1: these reasons and to get you know, live television experience
Speaker 1: and all these things. But I can't do the show forever,
Speaker 1: Like this is not what I came here to do.
Speaker 1: I can't give my opinion. I have things to say,
Speaker 1: and this is this is not the role that I
Speaker 1: want to have for ten years, six years whatever, no
Speaker 1: matter how great the show is doing. So I want
Speaker 1: like two years, two years and then I got to
Speaker 1: move on. Also, you don't have any kind of life
Speaker 1: when you're on that show, like the in bed, like
Speaker 1: in bed at nine o'clock, not going to bed at
Speaker 1: nine o'clock, showered, in bed with the lotion on. So
Speaker 1: you like during the week, you just don't do anything,
Speaker 1: which is fine. I still kind of don't do anything,
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a very scheduled life. So I
Speaker 1: got two years of this, and Christine was leaving the
Speaker 1: Herb right around when the two year mark was coming up,
Speaker 1: so it was a kind of easy transition just to
Speaker 1: move across the student. You know, Colin I had done
Speaker 1: the show a lot together because anytime she was out,
Speaker 1: I would fill in, so I already knew the beats
Speaker 1: of the show and had a pretty good relationship with Colin.
Speaker 1: So that's that's really how it worked out. And then
Speaker 1: over the years, I think Colin and I have just
Speaker 1: gotten to know each other better and the chemistry had
Speaker 1: gotten a lot better. And then last year having to
Speaker 1: work from home and do a three hour sports show
Speaker 1: with no sports on for four months, things many things.
Speaker 1: Now it feels like we don't even have to like
Speaker 1: we're we're on that, We're on that next wavelength, like
Speaker 1: the you know, we don't have to talk just this, Okay,
Speaker 1: you need me to talk here, let's go. Because that
Speaker 1: just that made things so difficult to work through. So um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's that's really the reason why I'm how
Speaker 1: do you personally judge or kind of measure your performance
Speaker 1: from show to show? You get well obviously, like I
Speaker 1: don't get ratings and we don't really pay attention. That's
Speaker 1: that's that's where the suits to work about. Like we're
Speaker 1: gonna do the show and we're good are our ratings
Speaker 1: are are really good? There? They are really good. But
Speaker 1: I don't work ratings for me. If Colin is excited
Speaker 1: and he and I are having like a good exchange
Speaker 1: and the conversation moves past whatever the first level of
Speaker 1: it was, to me, that's a good show. It's not
Speaker 1: necessarily what people are reacting to on social media, because
Speaker 1: sometimes people just get upset about something you say, and
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily engagement to me. I'm like, if I
Speaker 1: feel like Colin was activated, like he has thought of
Speaker 1: something different or thinks about something different than the way
Speaker 1: he can thought about it coming into the show, If
Speaker 1: he and I had a good exchange throughout the show,
Speaker 1: and we had good guests and like the energy was
Speaker 1: just flowing. Like that's that's a good show to me.
Speaker 1: So outside of that, you have your your podcast. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm going crazy said, you guys are on a little
Speaker 1: break right now, and then Thursday night Football Scouts feed
Speaker 1: um on Prime Video. What is it like just being
Speaker 1: able to maneuver in all these different fields for someone
Speaker 1: who loves sports so much? And I mean you're getting
Speaker 1: paid for all of it that tom boy, I mean
Speaker 1: I am, I am a tomboy. It's a blessing. I
Speaker 1: mean so blessing to be able to do this. This
Speaker 1: is this is the dream, right we just sit around
Speaker 1: and talk about sports and talk about what we love
Speaker 1: all day. It's not easy. I don't ever want to
Speaker 1: give out away that impression. It is still a job.
Speaker 1: It's still work, um, But if it's work that you love,
Speaker 1: it's not tedious. So you know, there's never a point
Speaker 1: where I'm just walking into work and like just doing
Speaker 1: work today. Like there's a process. You have to watch
Speaker 1: all the games. Sometimes you don't feel like watching the game,
Speaker 1: Like sometimes you just want to watch a movie. You
Speaker 1: don't care about this game necessarily because everybody doesn't care
Speaker 1: about everything all the time. Even if you are a
Speaker 1: big sports fan, that's only skip, like only skips in
Speaker 1: that space. But yeah, I mean it's it's amazing. It's
Speaker 1: a blessing. It's it's given me the opportunity to meet
Speaker 1: people that I never believes I would ever be in
Speaker 1: the same room with, to see places all over the country,
Speaker 1: um that otherwise I might not have seen, be at events,
Speaker 1: be it history spaces. And also to have a voice,
Speaker 1: which you know, I think having a voice, especially in
Speaker 1: today's society, a voice that isn't just redundant or you know,
Speaker 1: kind of pushed into the crowd is I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's an incredible thing to have and something I take
Speaker 1: very seriously. It's powerful. So all of that to me
Speaker 1: is just, um, I just feel really blessed. I got
Speaker 1: two questions, what are your career goal goals going going forward?
Speaker 1: And what happened to turn up Fridays? I should change
Speaker 1: it to turn up Friday. Well, nobody was in the building. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hard to do dance park Friday by myself. I
Speaker 1: look crazy. I can barely dance as it is. So
Speaker 1: that's what having a dance park Friday I guess I
Speaker 1: should bring it back because I might change it to
Speaker 1: turn up Friday. A lot of people, a lot of
Speaker 1: people at the office was looking forward today, I know,
Speaker 1: but like there's no way in the office. And then
Speaker 1: like people would see me coming and like one because
Speaker 1: they didn't want to be on dance party Friday. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what happened, a dance party Friday. Um. But my goals,
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to have my own show in
Speaker 1: the opinion space, UM, which will hopefully you know, be
Speaker 1: coming soon. And then my long term goal is to
Speaker 1: have my own network, I think, being able to produce
Speaker 1: content for other people and give other people voices and
Speaker 1: look to be honest. You know, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: you you have a lifespan on camera, you know. So
Speaker 1: long term, I want to be able to transition into
Speaker 1: a space where I can create things for other people
Speaker 1: and you know, tell other people's stories and um, be
Speaker 1: able to leave an impact on the on the business
Speaker 1: in that way. I love it so quick hitters. First
Speaker 1: thing to come to mind, let us know your female
Speaker 1: athlete Mount Rushmore. Actually, I think I've done this before,
Speaker 1: so I don't want to mess it up. I wish
Speaker 1: you had given this to me this before, so I
Speaker 1: could really all right, So don't quote me on this
Speaker 1: because I might change my mind. But gott be Serena Williams.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna obviously put flow Joe. I'm about to say,
Speaker 1: don't do that, don't leave her. It's gotta be flow Joe. Um.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm gonna make this my personal amount
Speaker 1: rush because obviously, like this is debatable, but for me,
Speaker 1: the women that impacted me flow Joe Um, Serena Williams, Uh,
Speaker 1: Cheryl Swoops Honestly, for me growing up, she was on
Speaker 1: the show I Love Cheryl. I thought it was I
Speaker 1: thought her name was so cool and she I was
Speaker 1: just like, I'm gonna be Swoops. She had a shoe
Speaker 1: like she She was amazing to me, big inspiration growing up,
Speaker 1: being you know, five foot basketball player. Thought it was
Speaker 1: gonna be Michael Jordan's but Cheryl Sloops was amazing. And
Speaker 1: who did I love? Because I don't want to leave.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be disrespectful. You know what, lay
Speaker 1: l Ly I like that Latelally, you know, because I'd
Speaker 1: be fighting sometimes so lail Ly, Uh, flow Joe, I
Speaker 1: like that. Three songs that describe you in the present,
Speaker 1: the dance fever. Um. You know what, I've been listening
Speaker 1: to a lot of afrobeats lately, Um, a lot of
Speaker 1: Nigerian music. So I love Burner Boy, who's afrobeats. It
Speaker 1: goes so some girl in the gym that I worked
Speaker 1: at was on her afrobeats stuff and I asked to say,
Speaker 1: what is that though, it's African music? African music? Okay, yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so I would say burn So I'll say Burner Boy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm always in a two pocket of my
Speaker 1: up mood. So we'll we'll keep that up there. And
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a song right now, which is a
Speaker 1: song in general, it's present, you're jamming in the present.
Speaker 1: I'll do uh, Mystery lady, Mystery lady. Yeah, alright, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pop a question in here before it's not on here.
Speaker 1: But I want to know I've known you for a
Speaker 1: while and you're always very wild, banner calm together. Have
Speaker 1: you ever had a fan moment, like, is anyone, like
Speaker 1: an athlete or celebrity kind of give you a fan moment? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I met Junior, say, I cried, yeah, p Junior
Speaker 1: because he played for a year in Miami, so I
Speaker 1: got a chance to meet him, and he was so cool.
Speaker 1: Actually the picture as me I'm like and I'm crying. Um,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I was. I was tripping when I met Junior. Say, oh,
Speaker 1: I mean I met I met Michael at his golf tournament.
Speaker 1: This is actually a funny story. This is a better
Speaker 1: Jason story than what I told earlier. So Jason was
Speaker 1: playing with him. He was a Jordans athlete, so he
Speaker 1: was playing with him in his his golf tournament and
Speaker 1: he brought me down for my twenty first birthday to
Speaker 1: the Bahamas with him. So I'm like, look, he's always
Speaker 1: bragging about how he sees Jordan all the time, and
Speaker 1: I'm a huge m j Zellett. So it was like,
Speaker 1: if you don't introduce me to Michael, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: talk to you anymore. Like we're not family anymore. It's ridiculous,
Speaker 1: Like you you know him, you're gonna golf with him,
Speaker 1: I should get to meet him. So I'm being a
Speaker 1: pain ass little sister because he doesn't like doing that stuff.
Speaker 1: So Michael walks in the first night into the restaurant
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, let's go. Like I need
Speaker 1: to meet Michael a chance. I'm in the same place
Speaker 1: I got to meet him, but I'm like obviously very nervous.
Speaker 1: So I walked up to him and I'm just like hi.
Speaker 1: He's like like whatever. They're talking. He's like, it's my
Speaker 1: little sister, Mike Hindice to meet you. He's like, it's
Speaker 1: it's her tow my first birthday today. So Mike's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's to my first birthday. That's so awesome. Like, let's
Speaker 1: go do it. Let's go do a tequila shot. I'm like, fuck, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't do a tequila shot with Michael Jordan. Let's go.
Speaker 1: And Jason was like hell no, really no, he totally
Speaker 1: blocked it. I'm like, come on, this is Michael and
Speaker 1: he's like, no, no, it's cool. Mike, like we're having
Speaker 1: dinner or whatever, and he's like all right, and he's like,
Speaker 1: if you want that shot later, let me know. I'm
Speaker 1: like I will when I get away from him. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you doing? He's like, now
Speaker 1: you can't go with Mike. I'm like I'm not. It's Michael,
Speaker 1: Like what is what are you talking about? You can't
Speaker 1: tell Mike. No, so I didn't get to do the
Speaker 1: shot with with Michael, but I guess it's a it's
Speaker 1: a better story now until I've talked to him about it.
Speaker 1: The super Bowl actually with Colin and he said the
Speaker 1: reason that he didn't let me go because he was
Speaker 1: mad that Michael didn't ask him to do a shot
Speaker 1: with him. Top five most important sports moments to you.
Speaker 1: These are tough questions, guys. These are lists. I like
Speaker 1: to put effort into these lists. Let me get three then,
Speaker 1: because five is a lot, give me three. Okay. Um,
Speaker 1: I think you know these are also important to just
Speaker 1: like things that come to my mind because I don't
Speaker 1: want to be like I don't want to there's obviously
Speaker 1: bigger social moments. Don't overthink it. Yeah, okay, So I
Speaker 1: think Tom Brady coming back in the Super Bowl against
Speaker 1: the Falcons was a huge moment. I think that, for
Speaker 1: at least from me, solidified him as the greatest quarterback ever. Um.
Speaker 1: I think Lebron's first championship in Miami, Miami UM a
Speaker 1: little biased, but I do think it was important for
Speaker 1: him to get over that. And uh, I think that
Speaker 1: era of the heat, the Big Three in Miami is
Speaker 1: I've never seen any team get more hate ever at
Speaker 1: any point in my life. The first Big Three Lebron
Speaker 1: leaves Cleveland, they do that ridiculous press conference, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, I love extra ship, but I was watching
Speaker 1: that like this is a disaster, Like everyone's already mad
Speaker 1: at him, and then Miami's gonna do what Miami does
Speaker 1: and there's the fire and the like lights and the fans.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna rub it in everyone's face now and
Speaker 1: then talk about seven championships. I was like, oh, you'll
Speaker 1: never even play together yet down yes, yes, does it
Speaker 1: set the bar a little lower, but whatever, it worked out.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was a huge moment. You know what.
Speaker 1: I think it's not an actually on the court moment.
Speaker 1: But I'm being very like recently bias here because I
Speaker 1: would do a better list if I could think about
Speaker 1: a longer. But I think nama Osaka not sitting out
Speaker 1: the sitting out the tournament was really really important because
Speaker 1: she is becoming one of the biggest stars. She's the
Speaker 1: highest paid woman female athlete last year I think dollars
Speaker 1: or something. She's becoming the biggest star not just in sports.
Speaker 1: But of course, you know, Serena is eventually going to retire.
Speaker 1: I'm not retiring seren Williams obviously, but like Nyamasaka is
Speaker 1: becoming a huge international star, she already is. She's becoming
Speaker 1: a superstar. And to see the support that she got
Speaker 1: for that, and the reality of the impact of how
Speaker 1: unnecessary some of these as someone in the media, these
Speaker 1: media press conferences can be, how intimidating it can be,
Speaker 1: how we expect everybody to have the same kind of
Speaker 1: personality and ability to absorb those moments. Um. And for
Speaker 1: her to stand up and say she wasn't going to
Speaker 1: compete because she wasn't going to participate in it, I
Speaker 1: thought was a really impactful. How young she is. Where
Speaker 1: is your brother breaking record? She's gonna be bad to
Speaker 1: me for that. Um. You know, it's weird when I
Speaker 1: think about my brother's career. I think when you're close
Speaker 1: to somebody, it's in some ways desensitizes you to like
Speaker 1: some of the what their accomplishments are. When I saw him,
Speaker 1: like his reception at the Hall of Fame, it was
Speaker 1: like really a a sobering moment to like everything he's
Speaker 1: really accomplished. Yeah, and I always knew he was great,
Speaker 1: but it's like it's you, it's your brother, so you
Speaker 1: don't really absorb it the same the same way as
Speaker 1: somebody who's a fan or somebody who doesn't doesn't know him.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean he's he's. He and I are
Speaker 1: very alike in a lot of ways, but he is
Speaker 1: a much more patient person when it comes to dealing
Speaker 1: with like the media. I'm glad that he played before
Speaker 1: I got in this business, and that was coming full
Speaker 1: circle because my nephews are about to be playing in
Speaker 1: college and uh, you know, hopefully we'll make the league
Speaker 1: as well, so I'm gonna be covering them, which will
Speaker 1: be an interesting H five dinner guests, dead or Alive,
Speaker 1: Tupac Tupac, Whitney Houston, she's my favorite, Muhammad Ali, Oprah,
Speaker 1: and Howard Stern Step five. I like that Howard Stern
Speaker 1: one message on the billboard, What would it be that's
Speaker 1: seen around the world? Do your research, man. I can't
Speaker 1: stand that ship. I cannot stand when people say ignorant
Speaker 1: shit when there is information available to you. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people are more afraid of learning something
Speaker 1: and then their original thought being disproven than being educated.
Speaker 1: That is not cute. Who told you that was cute?
Speaker 1: It makes me insane as somebody who like understands I
Speaker 1: could get sued for saying something on air that is inaccurate.
Speaker 1: I'm like this, you don't have any kind of threshold
Speaker 1: for that. And we live in a time. We live
Speaker 1: in a post truth society, and the Internet, for all
Speaker 1: of its you know, glorious Provisions, is also a place
Speaker 1: where you can get information that is completely untrue, and
Speaker 1: I under I sympathize with people in that there's just
Speaker 1: a lot of information. It's it's hard to find the
Speaker 1: truth right, to find actual facts. And you can wander
Speaker 1: across a blog that looks legit. All the graphics look good.
Speaker 1: But this is just an opinion space for something. Yes,
Speaker 1: but it is, but like in a way it's not
Speaker 1: because this could just be somebody's opinion. This this is
Speaker 1: not necessarily a fact, Like where are you getting this information?
Speaker 1: Could you use this as a source in a college paper?
Speaker 1: Should be like the standard for where where you're getting
Speaker 1: your facts from? Like has this been approved by multiple
Speaker 1: people from a high level of whatever this business is
Speaker 1: as actual information? People just get their news off of
Speaker 1: stickers Internet stickers. This is a meme someone made on
Speaker 1: word swag like this is where you're getting your news from.
Speaker 1: It's maddening to me because then they share it and
Speaker 1: it becomes facts, and then that person tells somebody else
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it's just real and
Speaker 1: it's not. So do your research and and and don't
Speaker 1: do it because for any other reason, then you need
Speaker 1: to know what the truth is when you're saying right,
Speaker 1: So you want sound dune, want to sound dune. That's
Speaker 1: about now, I mean to me, now, it's about being first,
Speaker 1: not necessarily being right. And then you go back and
Speaker 1: you're not right that that what do you do? Then
Speaker 1: you know you're allowed to have an opinion, but you're
Speaker 1: also allowed to change your opinion. You don't have the
Speaker 1: same opinion on life you have when you were sixteen
Speaker 1: years old, Nor do you, nor do I. I don't
Speaker 1: have these same opinions about stuff I had yesterday because
Speaker 1: I have new information. We know we all went through
Speaker 1: this last year, right, And I don't want to get
Speaker 1: into like whatever is anyone's opinion about whatever it is.
Speaker 1: It's fine, right, But the thing that may me the
Speaker 1: most crazy is every time we get new information, everyone
Speaker 1: be like, well, your scientists said it was different yesterday.
Speaker 1: That's how science works. That's why they do research. So
Speaker 1: if the opinion changes, they have to tell you it's
Speaker 1: different now we have new information. You wouldn't go to
Speaker 1: the doctor and be like, I want that surgery. Do surgery.
Speaker 1: They did it the way they did it fifteen years ago,
Speaker 1: Like okay, we can do with a laser now and
Speaker 1: you don't have a scar, and like you probably won't
Speaker 1: get an infection and die like no, no, no, you
Speaker 1: said before that this way worked, So I don't like
Speaker 1: this new way even though it's been proven for fifteen years, Like,
Speaker 1: you gotta do it the way that was in the book,
Speaker 1: because otherwise you lied. Like it's not a lie, it's
Speaker 1: an update of information. It's not just about the medical community.
Speaker 1: Like in life, it's okay to change your opinion, do
Speaker 1: your research. Last question, Joy, Um, who do you want
Speaker 1: to see on all the smoke? And you have to
Speaker 1: help us with your answer? Oh that means I have
Speaker 1: to book them just Um. Well, I'm glad I was
Speaker 1: finally invited. Um, you guys have been nice enough to
Speaker 1: come on my podcast, so I appreciate it, and I
Speaker 1: think you were on the Facebook Live show too, like
Speaker 1: way back in the day. Who would I like to
Speaker 1: see on here? Um, I'd love for you guys to
Speaker 1: have Shakery on here. Awesome. We can get her for sure.
Speaker 1: I think she would be a great interview. Who else?
Speaker 1: You know what I think? When when Tom Tom's not
Speaker 1: going to do the best interview now, But if you
Speaker 1: could get Tom Brady on here, I feel like you
Speaker 1: can finally get all the t You saying names, but
Speaker 1: you forgot I can't book Tom. I'm just saying you
Speaker 1: gotta help us. We didn't say book you said hell. Hell,
Speaker 1: I'll sweet at him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta get
Speaker 1: Shaky on here though. For for starters, I would love
Speaker 1: to hear just more about her story from a comfortable space.
Speaker 1: Come and get you scared, come and get you. Well.
Speaker 1: That's a wrap. Joy, Thank you for your time, Thank
Speaker 1: you for having me. Another addition to All the Smoke,
Speaker 1: Joy Taylor, you can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube,
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