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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another edition to All the Smoke. How you

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Speaker 1: I'm good man? How you been? You've been shaking the baking.

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Speaker 1: You've been all around the country, hosting camps, give backs,

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Speaker 1: Get a chance to sit down and relax? It all

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Speaker 1: any Not really? But I'll sleep when I die. And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I ain't leave it. No money on the table.

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Speaker 1: Can't do it, can't do it. We got a special

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Speaker 1: guest today, a friend of the program. We've all got

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Speaker 1: a chance to work with her over at Fox. Joy Taylor, Hi, guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me, Thank you for joining us. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Let's jump right into it. The current

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Speaker 1: state of sports media, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think before it used to be we're reporting on sports. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think with the infusion of social media, now we're

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Speaker 1: reporting on a lifestyle more than sometimes just what they

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Speaker 1: actually do. What's your take on that? Well, I try

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Speaker 1: to look at covering sports is a human thing anyway, Um,

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Speaker 1: because we're covering human beings, not robots or not merchandise.

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Speaker 1: You're not a commodity, and we sometimes when we talk

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Speaker 1: about sports, we tend to talk about athletes that way,

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Speaker 1: Oh he got traded here, he got cut here. It

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Speaker 1: just becomes very inhumane. So in some ways I kind

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Speaker 1: of like that we get to know athletes on a

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Speaker 1: more personal level through social media, through the different you know, channels,

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Speaker 1: this podcast, things like that, So it humanizes athletes in

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Speaker 1: a way for not just the media, but also for

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Speaker 1: fans to understands there's a deeper, deeper level to everything

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Speaker 1: that's happening in sports than just when losses and points

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Speaker 1: and quantifying everything. So I think it's actually, in a

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Speaker 1: lot of ways a positive thing because it forces us

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Speaker 1: to humanize athletes more. How has social media and your

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Speaker 1: opinion kind of changed? Almost your job supports media as

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Speaker 1: a whole, because I mean, you see breaking news left

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Speaker 1: and right. Now social media is somewhere where it's literally

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Speaker 1: a lot more negative than it is encouragement or positivity.

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Speaker 1: So how do you feel like social media has kind

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Speaker 1: of changed the landscape of kind of what you do well?

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Speaker 1: Social media gave everybody a voice, some don't deserve it,

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Speaker 1: which is a great thing. Social media gave everybody a voice,

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Speaker 1: which is not a great thing. And that's not to

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Speaker 1: be condescending. But I went to school for broadcasting. I

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Speaker 1: have a you know, a journalistic education. Even though I'm

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Speaker 1: not a journalist, I still feel a responsibility to, you know,

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Speaker 1: to some level. I can't just retweet anything, you know,

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Speaker 1: I try to be careful about what stories I dig

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Speaker 1: in on. If I'm ignorant on a topic, I'm not

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Speaker 1: necessarily give my opinion just because everyone has given their

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Speaker 1: opinion about it. If I don't feel strongly or compelled

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Speaker 1: about it, or I don't feel fully educated, or I'm

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Speaker 1: ignorant about it, I'm gonna layout. So social media has

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Speaker 1: kind of made everybody feel like they have to have

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Speaker 1: an opinion about everything, and you don't. And also your

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Speaker 1: opinion isn't needed on everything. I mean, you don't walk

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Speaker 1: into your house and tell your mama what you think

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Speaker 1: about her dress. Now, you have an opinion about her dress,

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Speaker 1: but nobody asked you for your opinion on her And

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Speaker 1: if you give your opinion on her dress, you might

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Speaker 1: regret your opinion on her dress. And it's just a

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Speaker 1: it's a way of life that's become normal to us.

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Speaker 1: And overall, I think it's a positive thing, but it

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Speaker 1: has changed how we do business. I mean, when I

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Speaker 1: started the business, we didn't use social media at a

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Speaker 1: level there's two thousand seven. It existed, but it wasn't

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Speaker 1: an every day I mean, you're not checking Twitter every

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Speaker 1: thirty seconds. I've alerts on for certain reporters, you know,

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Speaker 1: just to keep back of everything. I think it makes

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Speaker 1: don't have to do at least I don't have to

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Speaker 1: do sourcing. You know. I can let a reporter do

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Speaker 1: their job and they're trusted and their reputation is, you know, strong.

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Speaker 1: I can just use their information. But there's there's pros

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Speaker 1: and cons for everything. I think the important thing is

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Speaker 1: to just find what works for you and balance. What

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Speaker 1: athletes that respond to the negativity because now they're like,

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Speaker 1: well you're so and so, why are you even responding

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Speaker 1: these people? But people don't understand what enough. People are

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Speaker 1: fuckingnagonatual and saying crazy ship all time. The human reaction

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Speaker 1: never been in that situation. What do you think about

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Speaker 1: that give and take? You know, you can take Kevin Durant,

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Speaker 1: Some people jack that respond to the negativity, but then

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Speaker 1: doing it. Everybody can dish it, but everybody can't take it.

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Speaker 1: Everybody doesn't get it right. It's very easy to tell

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Speaker 1: somebody do this or behave this way when that's not

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Speaker 1: your lifestyle. If you're Tim four five six seven, nobody's

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Speaker 1: easy for you to say, Katie shouldn't respond. You don't

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Speaker 1: have ten million people telling you you're a sell out

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Speaker 1: every day. Have that happened to you, and then we

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Speaker 1: can come and have a legit conversation about it. I

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Speaker 1: think whatever makes you feel confident or comfortable or whatever

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Speaker 1: it is you want to do is what you should do.

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Speaker 1: Don't let them get you emotional. Though, Like people ask

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Speaker 1: me all the time, why do I Why do I respond?

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I just feel like it. Sometimes somebody's I gotta

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Speaker 1: I have to sacrifice someone like saying too much, like

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Speaker 1: you don't want today you have to get roast. I

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Speaker 1: got time. I'm in the car. I'm an uber, all right,

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Speaker 1: it's you today, You're the one. But it doesn't hurt

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Speaker 1: my feelings because I'm a face to face person. If

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Speaker 1: you would not walk up to me on the street

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Speaker 1: and say this, and we know they wouldn't, that's not

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Speaker 1: gonna hurt my feelings. But I also know that there

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Speaker 1: are women who follow me who don't feel uh not

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Speaker 1: they don't want to respond that way, but they like

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Speaker 1: when I do because they're getting the same things. So

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Speaker 1: you know, there's different reasons why I respond. It works

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Speaker 1: for me. It doesn't change my day. I'm gonna leave here,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch the game. I'm enjoy my night. Like

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Speaker 1: that's not gonna affect my day. Um, but I think

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Speaker 1: it's very easy for people who aren't in that situation

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Speaker 1: to tell other people how to behave I got been

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Speaker 1: some negative ship in the morning, and in the afternoon

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Speaker 1: I got a message, your Instagram account has been disabled,

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Speaker 1: So like, I'm off Instagram right now for responding? Is

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Speaker 1: the bullshit I do? A couple of customers you have

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Speaker 1: to do a couple of cust words in there there

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Speaker 1: that's forgot damn sure. And yeah, bro, I don't got

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Speaker 1: an Instagram account right, No, hopefully I can get it

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Speaker 1: backcause I just tapped a million. Don't steal that ship

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Speaker 1: But anyway, carrying on race, gender, inequality when it comes

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Speaker 1: it's they've always kind of been separated and you kind

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Speaker 1: But now more than ever, we're just being real. There's

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Speaker 1: you know, there's there's race issues, there's gender issues, there's

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Speaker 1: inequality issues in sports, and now we're discussing those. How

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Speaker 1: I think I think the time for just accepting what

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Speaker 1: done it, and that's why we're going to keep doing it.

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Speaker 1: Like that's over and and it should be over all.

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Speaker 1: Those are weak excuses for behavior, and it's similar to

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Speaker 1: what is the win? Why is this so difficult? Why

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Speaker 1: can't you just see ahead of the curve? Like somebody

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Speaker 1: that's just that's just one example of it. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just think the time for accepting things for what

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Speaker 1: and organizations and leagues understand that, than there'll be less

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Speaker 1: of that exposure. Like I said, you gotta make an example.

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Speaker 1: It's been the blind leading to blind for so long.

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Speaker 1: It just feels good that everybody's opening their eyes. Well,

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Speaker 1: for us, it's for you. Right not even learn something,

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Speaker 1: if you are inclusive. It's not about a slogan or

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Speaker 1: a Twitter hashtag. This is reality. The evidence, the numbers

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Speaker 1: care about from some pr scandals. If you can't see

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Speaker 1: past all of that, at least let me boil down

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Speaker 1: so you know. So, I think it's just holding people

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Speaker 1: to be able to accountable, and not just it's not

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Speaker 1: just very hard to have nuanced conversations on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: And that's where a lot of conversation has had now,

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Speaker 1: which isn't a negative thing because at least it starts

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Speaker 1: the conversation. But the next step of course is action,

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Speaker 1: to start because sports is a microcosmos society. What's your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on Shakar Risks. I don't know. I have lots

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Speaker 1: of shagary um. Well. I ran track. That's the sport

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Speaker 1: it means when I cover people and talk about people,

427
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 1: like I kind of look at it as whatever I say,

428
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: this person is gonna hear, Like, there's a camera right there,

429
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: so this is this is face to face to me.

430
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: So I think that kind of changed my my perspective

431
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 1: on things and just being a woman in sports. Like

432
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: everyone in pittsburghs a sports fan. So when people are like, oh,

433
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: like how did you get into sports, I'm like, I

434
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 1: don't know, how did you get into sports? I don't

435
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: know get your family watch sports? And like you had

436
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: a favorite team and like the same way you did.

437
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: But my grandmother and my two aunts lived together and

438
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: they were like whatever they watch on TV all day

439
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: when the game's on, turning over and they're mad or

440
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 1: they're happy, and then they're back to talking about the

441
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: weather like this was. These three old ladies did so

442
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: watching sports and being a sports fan, which just never

443
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,479
Speaker 1: it was never like a thing to me. Who did

444
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: you enjoy watching and who are you rooting for? So

445
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: everyone's a Steelers fan obviously in Pittsburgh, you're know allowed

446
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 1: to be there. Although my mom made her way around

447
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: that she's a Cowboys fan, but she liked them. I

448
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: don't blame her. I don't blame her. Here you go.

449
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how she got away with that. Um yeah, yeah,

450
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: I love the Steelers, but I also love Dan Marino.

451
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: He's a pick guy. So I always had like a

452
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: thing for the Dolphins, and then you know, I'm gonna

453
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm a root for whatever team my family's on. Of course,

454
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: you know we were talking, uh to Mark Sanchez earlier

455
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: about the two thousand ten Jets. I was like, I

456
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: was a Jets fan that year, like Jason's. I don't

457
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: hate the Jets any other year, but Jason on the team,

458
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: Like I'm a root for the Jets. What you're talking

459
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: about his family over everything. But yeah, it's and I

460
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: still I don't really get hurt by any team anymore,

461
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: but I still let the heat hurt me a little bit.

462
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: This is a little bit. It's like a you know,

463
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,479
Speaker 1: it's different when you're doing national because I can't like

464
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: dig in with the team, you know everybody. Definitely, I

465
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: do love the heat. Any memorable stories being around your

466
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: brother and the Dolphins that you were kind of coming

467
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: up in this space, let me see which one I

468
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: want to tell. Uh, let me think. So he was

469
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: he just needs to be really protective in me. Uh,

470
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: he's not. He don't care any more. No, No, because

471
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: he's older. He's twelve years older than me, and I

472
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: don't have a relationship with my dad, so he you know,

473
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,719
Speaker 1: he wasn't really like around UM that much growing up

474
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: because he's so much older than me. Um. And then

475
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: he was in Florida, so like I pretty much grew

476
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: up with him, you know, not being in the house around.

477
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: But when I got to Miami, you know, he was like,

478
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: you know, because I went to college on there like

479
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: this is my sister or whatever, and I was always

480
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: really respectful, like this is his space, so this is

481
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: my space days and uh, you know, one of his

482
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: teammates switched out to me on my Space like that's

483
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: the old school d ms. But you remember, my Space

484
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: didn't really have like verified pages, so it was really

485
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: kind of difficult to find out if somebody was like

486
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: this page or is just like a big time fagure.

487
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: The one time I was on my Space when we

488
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: played for the words together, I left the girl at

489
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: the door because she didn't look the same in the picture.

490
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: Then she did when she came to the door, so

491
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: she got left there. But go ahead and finish yourself.

492
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: Left you didn't lie to me, she looked like her picture.

493
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: That's a lie, whether you're talking or show. And that's

494
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: a lot. I gotta see the evidence. I'll trust you

495
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,239
Speaker 1: on it. Um. So anyway, I didn't know if it

496
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: was him, but then I was like, he's not like

497
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 1: he's not big enough to have a fake page, you

498
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like either this is a serial

499
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: killer or like this is him, like they're was making

500
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: a fake page for him. So anyway, he said something

501
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: about my pictures or whatever. So I went over to

502
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: Jason's house the next day and I showed uh, showed

503
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: his ex wife and she was like, oh, you gotta

504
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: tell Jason. And I was like, we wah. I want

505
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: to tell him, but like what is there to tell?

506
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: Like I didn't like not talking to him, like this

507
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: is the entire exchange. So he comes in whatever I

508
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: showed to him and he goes, I mean nuts, He's screaming.

509
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: He's so mad at me. I'm like, I didn't I

510
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: didn't do anything, like I'm showing you. This is the

511
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: this is the entire exchange, Like I'm showing this to you,

512
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: like I don't care about First of all, I adn't

513
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: go risk it over. This one was real, but like

514
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: I'm showing it to you. I'm like, why are you

515
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: so mad? He's like, well, he he saw you in

516
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: the parking lot at the last game. I'm in college

517
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: at this point. He saw you in the parking lot

518
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: and he said something to me about you, like in

519
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: the locker room, and I told him, don't talk to her.

520
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: That's my sister, Like she's not she's not for you.

521
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: Don't talk to her, don't say her name, like nothing

522
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: because he didn't. He didn't also didn't like him to

523
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: begin with, so it's like so so I'm like, oh,

524
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: so he like he did it anyway, and he was like, yeah,

525
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm gonna see him tomorrow facility. So I'm like,

526
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: all right, whatever, I don't care what you do, Like,

527
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: I don't care what you do with him. It's not

528
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you. This is what he did. And

529
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: he saw him the next day and like in front

530
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: of him, and the dude was like, I don't know

531
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: what you're so mad for. There's mad bitches on my space.

532
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: Which why you would call someone sister a bitch to

533
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: their face after you got to talk to her in

534
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: the first place, I don't know. But anyway, um, they

535
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: proceeded to fight and tear to locker room up a

536
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: little bit. But I thought that was, yeah, that is

537
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: good because I was innocent, innocent, innocent on all counts.

538
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: He was going to take a beat down over the floor,

539
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Jay is what all pro the man

540
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: right here on the team. So you're really it wasn't

541
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: a logical decision on any on any account. I mean,

542
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: it just was. It was wild. It was wild. To

543
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: me because I'm like, I didn't even do anything, Like

544
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm just here existing over here in mind of my business,

545
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: trying to you know, pass just pilosophy of art, and

546
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: you're bothering me. But tell us about Barry University where

547
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: you went in Miami. You were there for four years

548
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: oh five or oh five to oh nine. Talk to

549
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: us about that experience and what it was like and

550
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: how you kind of found your footing and broadcasting making

551
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: me feel Actually, I transferred to Berry. I was. I

552
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: ran track my freshman year at I e. P In Pennsylvania,

553
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: and then I transferred to Berry. Berry is great. I mean,

554
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: I love that school. I I wound up there because

555
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 1: I couldn't find how to get there when it was

556
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: what was the two thousand and six I guess I

557
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: was trying to find directions and I called I mean

558
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: there was in GPS. Then. I don't know how old

559
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: people are really watching this, so I'm just driving around

560
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: trying to find it. And I called the office and um,

561
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: one of the secretary stayed on the phone with me

562
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: for like forty minutes, got me there, set me up

563
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: with a tour, and like that was my whole experience. There.

564
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: It's very like small school, private school, and the professors

565
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: really care about, like you, developing and learning every aspect

566
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: of the business. So you learn how to produce, you

567
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: learn how to make a show, you learn how to

568
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: use the camera, you learn how to edit, you know

569
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: how to do radio, like you do everything in there.

570
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: And I feel like it really helped me, Like it

571
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: really gave me, not just the education on like you know,

572
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: I graduated from college, but I really learned how to

573
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: like be a broadcaster, what all this means, what all

574
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: the technical stuff means. And I still apply that to

575
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: what I do today. Like things I learned in college,

576
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: I still use today. Probably the most useful thing, which

577
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: I was not listening to at the time was writing.

578
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: All My professor was like, you have to write. You

579
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: have to write, you have to write. You're gonna have

580
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: to write forever. You have to write, and every job

581
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: you have. And I like to write. But I didn't

582
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: understand the value of what they were saying until I

583
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: really got into the business and I was like, oh, yeah,

584
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: I guess this is the thing you gotta do every day.

585
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: And I still write. I still write every day. But

586
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: Barry was amazing. Um and I'm I'm really grateful I

587
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: got together. What are some of your early memories breaking

588
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: into radio while you're in college? So I started in

589
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: radio at Barry Actually we had a student radio station

590
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: there and I was a manager. And radio is just

591
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: there's no no pause. There's no pause in radio. You

592
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: just have to make mouth sounds for as is on.

593
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: But I love That's why I love radio. I really

594
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: love radio because it gives you an ability to create

595
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: a scene for someone while they're listening. So they call

596
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: it theater the minds, and a great radio show is

597
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: part of your people's routine. They're driving into work in

598
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: the morning, or they're driving home after work. Are there,

599
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, a delivery driver and they listen every day

600
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: and they just become a part of your life, and

601
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: you become a part of theirs, like what's what's going

602
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: on your personal life, like what your ticks are, all

603
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: of this, all this becomes a part of your personality.

604
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: And I love that radio gaves you the opportunity to

605
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: do that. And TV can do that, but you don't

606
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: have the flexibility on television because you have heart outs

607
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: and the commercials and commercials and radio, but it's not

608
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: the same thing. So yeah, but you have to be

609
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: able to talk a lot all day, all day. So

610
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: preparation is really what radio taught me the most. If

611
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: you're not prepared, you're not going to do a good

612
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: radio show. We've all listened to terrible radio shows where

613
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: they're just babbling and like scratching trying to find something

614
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: to say, and it's a lot of pressure. But I'm

615
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad I got to start where I did

616
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: because every rep makes you better at anything, the sports, television, radio, whatever,

617
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: and I got to get a lot of my my

618
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: worst moments out when nobody was listening. Post college, what

619
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: was there an opportunity or two that helped you break

620
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: into the industry. Yeah, one of the things that definitely

621
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: helps me get from the next level once I started

622
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: in radio. I mean, interning is very important and this business,

623
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: having an internship is important. Um. I did two internships

624
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: when I was in college, both radio wanted an entertainment

625
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: radio station music station and a sports radio station, which

626
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: both helped me tremendously because really all of this is entertainment, like,

627
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: this is the entertainment industry. But actually being told I

628
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough for a job really kind of pushed

629
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: me into what eventually became my first full time job

630
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: in the business, and then that led to me having

631
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: the radio show in Miami that I had for a

632
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 1: few years before I came to F one, which eventually

633
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: led me to FS one, which eventually led me to

634
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: hear on this couch with you two. So every note

635
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: isn't a bad thing? Um? I was. Ironically, I was

636
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: filling in as an update anchor, which is now technically

637
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: my unt I was filling in the regular guy was

638
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: al he was sick. The program director told me to

639
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: do the updates and so I did them as like

640
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: a Friday. Came back Monday and I was doing them

641
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: again because the guy was still loud. He came in

642
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: yelling screaming at me, who who told you to do updates? Mike?

643
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: You remember them all day and Friday? Yeah? And uh anyway,

644
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: long story short, he told me I couldn't do them anymore.

645
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: Then I talked to another boss and he was like, yeah,

646
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: you're You're not to do updates. At this point, I

647
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: already been at the station for a year. I've already

648
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: graduated from college. Multiple internships, including one at the station

649
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm working in now, I'm doing fill ins on the weekend,

650
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: Like I can read a thirty second script with some

651
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: scores on it. I believe in myself, like I know

652
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: I can at least I can do that. I can

653
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: do it. And I was ready, like I just felt

654
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: like I'm ready for the next step. But had he

655
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: not done that, I probably would have stayed there. I

656
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: would have kept working part time eight dollars an hour

657
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: whatever it was before taxes, and working five days a

658
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: week on South Beach bartending. I probably would have kept

659
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: doing that. But because he told me no, I was like,

660
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: all right, I think it's probably time to move on.

661
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: So I started reaching out and see if there were

662
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: any other jobs available. I got interviewed for the executive

663
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: producer job, got that job, and then this is history.

664
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: William mentors and role models in the media space. UM,

665
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: I don't. I wouldn't say I had a lot of mentors.

666
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: Danne Lebatar was really helpful for me and my me.

667
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: He was big for me. Zan is a big advocate

668
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: of all of his people. He's a big advocate of

669
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: diversity obviously. Um he helped me alive and that was

670
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: that was his station. Nine, Um where I started when

671
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: it started IF at sixty, But he was big. Um.

672
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: Joe Rose gave me my first internship. Internship in the

673
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: business IF I Have sixty, which is where eventually got

674
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: hired DJ Las and Miami was big. He allowed me

675
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: to produce his show as an intern, gave me a

676
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: lot of responsibility. But that taught me how to make

677
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: a good show, how to be flexible, do things that

678
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: relate to the community, really relate to the listener. So

679
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: he was big. Um. I didn't have a lot of

680
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: female mentors, which I wish I had more of, but

681
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: there you know, could use a few more women in

682
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: the business. Um. But yeah, those those guys definitely really

683
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: helped me. And I mean I've worked with amazing, amazing talent.

684
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: Colin has been huge for me. Um. Skip Bayless obviously

685
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: did a lot for me and my my career. He

686
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: was great to me. UM Shannon as well. Uh Jonathan Zaslow,

687
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: my co host in Miami. He really advocated for me. Um.

688
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: Dan Celio said Rosenberg. I mean I worked with just

689
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,479
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of men that really really

690
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: pushed for me and fought for me, and that's that's

691
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: helped me a lot in my career. So when did

692
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: you realize or or what point in your career did

693
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: you realize you were heading in the right direction, Like, Okay,

694
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: this is where I'm supposed to be. I'm starting to

695
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: make waves in it. So after college kind of had

696
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: the ability to relate to a lot of kids who

697
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: are coming out of college with COVID this past year,

698
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: because it was very scary for anyone obviously was graduating

699
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 1: from school trying to find a job, especially in this business.

700
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: When I graduated from school, I was lined up to

701
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 1: essentially take over the job I was already doing at

702
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: Para Nundy six in Miami with DJ Last, and the

703
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: whole industry had a hiring freeze because clear Channel, which

704
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: is now I heard Media fired half their staff. Yes

705
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: if I half their staff, So it froze the whole

706
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: the whole business, And so I couldn't get the job

707
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: because I was technically an intern and they would only

708
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: promote from within and I wasn't actually an employee, So

709
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: I was kind of stuck. After school, I know what

710
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: to do, Like I had all my eggs in that basket,

711
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: like that was a job I was gonna get. I

712
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: didn't look anywhere else. I didn't I didn't know what

713
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: to do. So I kind of like wandered around freelancing

714
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: doing random things for about a year and a half

715
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: after school, and I had a bad relationship, wound up

716
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: in a kind of bad space, and I mean I

717
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: was just like completely and totally lost back in Miami,

718
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what, like, what's the first step

719
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: to really like get on the path to launch my career.

720
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't know even know where to go. Nobody's hiring,

721
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't have a job. I'm sleeping on my friend's couch.

722
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: I gave her that couch two years ago, right, Like,

723
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. And I was talking

724
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: to a friend of mine is very successful, and I'm

725
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: complaining and I'm bitching, and he's like, just stop talking

726
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: for a second. What's something you want for yourself and

727
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: the next three years? Give me anything? Could be a man,

728
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: could be a car, like a job, whatever. What is

729
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: it that you want for yourself in the next three years,

730
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: not ten years. What do you want to be when

731
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: you grow up three years? I was like, I want

732
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: to be full time on air radio or TV in

733
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: the next three years. He's like, great, how much of

734
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: your energy are you putting towards making that happen? And

735
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 1: I thought it was a very specific word. He used,

736
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: not time, not money, energy, And I was like, I

737
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: don't know ten like, I have a job, I have

738
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: no money, I'm sleeping on a couch. I don't like,

739
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, and my family is

740
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: not talking to me, Like I'm in a bad space.

741
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: He's like, well, why are you surprised that's not happening

742
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: for you then? And I don't know if it's where

743
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: I was or like everything I had just gone through

744
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: or was listening, or I was just at that moment

745
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: in life. We all have it where we like stop

746
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: trying to figure everything out for ourselves and listen to

747
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: people who know more. And I haven't strayed from that

748
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: mantra ever since. I was like, Okay, I have this goal.

749
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: Everything I do is going to align with reaching that goal,

750
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: and all my energy is going to go towards that.

751
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: And energy is like, if you understand the concept of energy,

752
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: it's a lot more than just one thing, and it

753
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: has to be all of those things in order to

754
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: be successful. Because people talk about I want to be

755
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: successful all the time? Successful at what what are you

756
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: willing to do to get that? What do you want

757
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: to do? But what is it that you want to

758
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: be successful? Do you want to be a successful entrepreneur?

759
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: Do you want to be a successful doctor, successful lawyer,

760
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: a successful fashion designer, photographer, television hosts? All those things

761
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: have different paths and different things you need to be

762
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 1: doing right now to reach that goal, and your energy

763
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: has to be put towards that. It's just like sports.

764
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: If you want to be the best player of all time,

765
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: would you gotta have mamba mentality? You can't just show

766
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: up and shoot around for fifteen minutes and think that's

767
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: gonna happen for you, even if you are the most talented,

768
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: so mamba mentality. So no, it's that's that was really

769
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: like a moment for me that changed my not just

770
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: my career but my whole life. But it definitely put

771
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: me on the right, like the right path. How do

772
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: you feel how important it is it is it to

773
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: become an inspiration for women in the sports business. I

774
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: want to be in sports. Um, it's very important for

775
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: me because I really didn't I didn't have I had

776
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: a few people who reached out Leslie Visser and a

777
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: few other people. But I think that it's I didn't

778
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: really always realize the power or the importance of it.

779
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: You know, when you're younger, you don't realize that people

780
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: are looking at you. And now it's the it's the

781
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: most important thing to me, because what a lot of

782
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: guys talk about, like, oh, like, why are women so

783
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: supportive of each other in the business, Like you know,

784
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: men aren't like that. Men are more competitive, like we

785
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: always got we we always got. And the more women

786
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: that there are in the business, the less of a

787
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: thing it is. Then people turn on the TV and

788
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: see a woman and they're like, oh, well, that's good,

789
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: that's good that they put a girl on the show. Like, no,

790
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: it's just this is what I'm watching. You don't think

791
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: about that when you watch news men women, all women

792
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: hosted show, all men hosted show, it's not thinking you're

793
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: just watching the news. But with sports, that's not what

794
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: it is. And there's always a qualification and there's always

795
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: a need to explain why she's qualified for this particular job,

796
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: and it's always a thing. So to me, having more

797
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: women in the business, a variety of women in the business.

798
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: Empowered women in the business is very important. So it's

799
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: my main goal in my career two leave the business

800
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: looking different than the way that I came into it. Right, Absolutely,

801
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: What has your experience been like? Its Fox? Fox has

802
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: been Fox has been great. It's been a huge platform

803
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 1: for me. Obviously, I started in Miami, which is a

804
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: big market, but I wasn't a national voice before I

805
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: came to Fox, and I hadn't done live national television.

806
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: I worked for CBS Sports when I was in Miami.

807
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: But um, working with Skip and Shannon was unbelievable. I mean,

808
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: if you know the Skipp as Shannon, you know that

809
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: that's like an intense show to do and it's you know,

810
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: three twenty in the morning, it's a two and a

811
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: half hour show together. Yeah, yeah, So it's a it's

812
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: a big undertaking. But traveling to your point, Cleveland and

813
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: Oakland and the Super Bowl and McGregor fight in New York,

814
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: like the US Open, having all those experiences really just

815
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: I think for me helps me develop in a huge

816
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: way as a talent. I mean, there's a lot of

817
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: stuff going on on that show behind the scenes, and

818
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: as a moderator, you gotta make sure everything's going like

819
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: they're just they're in their own zone. Like you gotta

820
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: do all the technical things, prompters down, you gotta read

821
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: it on the scripts. I hope you got your scripts

822
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: in order. Like there's a lot of stuff going on.

823
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: So that really helped me a lot. And now working

824
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: with Collins been favorite, by the way, just as far

825
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: as people just talking their ship, Collins one of my

826
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: favorite and he's the best. Add to him, he's the

827
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: best ad reader on TV. Let's do a good read.

828
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: Colin has been great. He's he's a you know, he's

829
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: a family guy. He's chill. He likes having his his

830
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: cocktail and his um, you know, his nice piece of fish,

831
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: and he's just he's one of those people that just

832
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: really loves life. And that's a that's a that's a

833
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: relief as a talent to work with somebody else who's

834
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: very chill, because it's a stressful business and you know,

835
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: there's this there's some shows like listen, you can't calling

836
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: sick like I couldn't call and sick on Unisputed, I

837
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: called him sick twice in two years. And I'm not

838
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: sick a lot. But like there's no one else to

839
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: do the show four o'clock in the morning, you can't call,

840
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: there's no one to come in. It's just like you

841
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: even figured out. So it's uh, it's been amazing work

842
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: on call. And he's a huge UH supporter and um

843
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: he makes he makes a show really fun and easy.

844
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: You killed Undisputed. But people don't know how difficult it is.

845
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: It had to be a strong woman with a high

846
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: with a high i Q to run that show with

847
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: them too, because I've been on the show and she knows,

848
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: she knows when to cut him off to go to commercial.

849
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: She knows, Like it's not easy with two people like

850
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: them rambling at each other the whole time, like they

851
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: won't even think about a commercial. It takes a respect

852
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 1: to do that job because you do have to cut

853
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: them off. So you gotta know when to cut them off.

854
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: So it's not of salty situations. Right. Look, they're both professionals.

855
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: They know we're doing a television show. At the end

856
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 1: of the day, we got commercials. We gotta get to break,

857
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: we gotta get to the next block. But they would

858
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: just do that same topic for the next if you

859
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: let them. So. The funny thing that people don't I

860
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: guess the thing that they assume about Undisputed. I don't

861
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: know how it is on first day because I don't

862
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: work on that show, but I'll disputed. People always like,

863
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: what's it like in the breaks? I'm like, they're not

864
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: fighting in then goes over to the quarter, He's looking

865
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: at his notes, Shannon's on his phone, or he's you know,

866
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: singing or whatever, like as soon as the as soon

867
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: as the camera's off, like it's onto the next blot,

868
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: So there's no real like animosity. It's like arguing with

869
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: your friend, like all right, all right, we're done. Where

870
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna go eat? You know. That's that's kind of

871
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: how it is. But people always think it's like more

872
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: in the break, and I'm like, damn, we would be

873
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: tired as hell. Great great sparring sessions though, session. So

874
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you these three men that you've worked with,

875
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: and just tell me a little bit about or what

876
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: you think about each of them. Uh, Shannon Sharp. Shannon

877
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: has become one of the biggest stars in sports media.

878
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: He was already obviously a star in football Hall of

879
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: Famer legendary broadcaster, but now he is like on a

880
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: whole other level like Unk has become and what it

881
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: is is because he gets it, Like he really understands

882
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: social media. He understands how to do a great show,

883
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: he understands how to do a great interview, and he

884
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: doesn't take himself seriously, which I think is so important

885
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: for that show. Is that he's gonna go at it

886
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: with Skip. They're gonna have their battles, their sparring sessions,

887
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, he's gonna crack

888
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: a joke, keep it moving like he is. He really

889
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: knows how to maintain that balance. So he's he's so

890
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: fun to work with and just he's a great person.

891
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: Shout out uh Drip Bayless, Drip Veyless. I love love

892
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: that chain. It's amazing Skip is. Skip is great, Skip

893
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: has been. I don't even know how to describe what

894
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: Skips don't like just done for me in my career.

895
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: A lot of people think Skip is like very hard

896
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: and like mean. He's he's a passionate person, so I

897
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: think he's misunderstood. And look, they do a show where

898
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: they give their opinion. Some people are gonna like your opinion,

899
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: some people aren't. But I've seen Skip on the road.

900
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: You've seen Skip on the road. Don't get it twisted.

901
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: People love Skip. They love Skip, and Skip loves the people.

902
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 1: And Skip is gonna sit in there after every show,

903
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: shake everybody's hand, take a picture with whoever is there,

904
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: talk to them for as long as they want to

905
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: talk to him. And he really loves doing and cares

906
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: a lot about doing a great show. And he understands

907
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: the importance of people are giving their time to us

908
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: to watch this show. So I'm gonna do that my

909
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: best buy them and give them an entertaining show. And

910
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: he lives and breathe and die sports, like his wife

911
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: wrote a book about how to do with someone who

912
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: is obsessed with sports. Like he's on another level with that.

913
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: He's gonna watch anything that's on TV when it comes

914
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: to sports. But he's also just a really sweet person.

915
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: Like we had to work Christmas Day for the first

916
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: two years of month disputed, which is for me, is

917
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: hard to have a big family, and like it's hard

918
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: for me to be on l A. Out Here in

919
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 1: l A, everybody's in the East Coast, so I can't

920
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: go see them, Like Kim and his wife had me

921
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: at their house for Christmas, Like there amazing people, and

922
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: he's been incredible to me. I love hearing that soccer

923
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: side because I mean, Shannon told us how much he

924
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 1: advocated for him to be on that show. He Skip

925
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: said he wasn't going to do that show unless Shannon

926
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: Sharp did it, you know, So to be able to

927
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: see the other side of Skip, because, like you said,

928
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,479
Speaker 1: unless you know him behind the scenes, you only see

929
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: Skip from from the show, and you think, you know

930
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: you that's like only seeing us on the court. You

931
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: think that's who we are as people. But to see

932
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: it and hear the other side, I think that's dope. Well,

933
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: Skip and I actually talking about being a face to

934
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: face person. When I was getting talking to a Skip

935
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: and everyone about being on the show, some tweets came

936
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: out from me about Skip in the past when I

937
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: was in Miami, and you know, Skip as a Spurs

938
00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: fan that hard. I'm a Heat fan, and I'm want

939
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: a show in Miami when the whole world hates Miami.

940
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: So Skip and I had already met a bunch of

941
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: times before this, and then they came out and I

942
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: was like, all right, well, you know, if he doesn't

943
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: want me to be on the show, I don't understand

944
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: like that sucks, but I understand, like this is just

945
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: what happens. But I was like, I want to talk

946
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: to him. I must tell him face to face, explain

947
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: myself and you know, have a conversation with him. So

948
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: I went met with him and I was like, first

949
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: of all, I apologize. Obviously, I know you personally I

950
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: don't feel this way, but you know, first and foremost,

951
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: I think it's important when you say something that harms someone,

952
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: it's okay to really actually apologize, Like it doesn't make

953
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 1: you less of a person, he doesn't make you like anything.

954
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: It's the right thing to do. If anyone in your

955
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: life did something and they said you hurt me or

956
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: this or that, are you offended me? Just apologize. So

957
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: I said, I'm sorry for that, and this is why

958
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: we're doing the show in Miami. Everyone in the world

959
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: hates Miami. You're a Spurs fan. Obviously had some things

960
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: to say about and he would like could not have

961
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: been better about it to me. He was like, it's

962
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: it's cool. I get it. I get the show we do.

963
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: I get the show you how to do in Miami.

964
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: I've done local before. Like fans want to hear only

965
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: positive stuff about their team, and he was like, understand

966
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: that this is what sports radio is and like could

967
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: not have been cooler about it. Love Ski. That's the

968
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: reason why I'm still working on Disputed and started work

969
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: because the skipped like he loved to have me on,

970
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: not just because I was brought a championship to the Spurs,

971
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: but he loved he loved different aspects. Uh. And then

972
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, with him being so smart, he still want

973
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: to hear what players have to He's a showman. I

974
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: love it, like I said, I just like he likes said.

975
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: I think those two together know how to make their

976
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,959
Speaker 1: great showman until they know how to make a great show.

977
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: I think the show triggers people because the beats of

978
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: the show require you to have strong opinions you don't

979
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 1: back off of, and people think that the opinions are manufactured,

980
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: and they're not. It's just a well produced show. So

981
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: even if they do topics they agree on sometimes because

982
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: they have to do the topic, but they're gonna come

983
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: from their angle and that's what makes the debate. So

984
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: it's not oh uh, what do you what do you

985
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: think about the game tonight? Well, I think you Honest,

986
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: you know is pretty good. I think you honest is

987
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: going to do well to okay, me too, what I'll say,

988
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna suck. That's that's not how it's produced. It's

989
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: a question, and then they naturally have other opinions, and

990
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: that's how the show is produced. So people think it's

991
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: all manufactured and it's not. Last but not least Colin

992
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: cow Her great Colin Coward, Colin is. He cares so

993
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: much about doing a really good show, So we prep different.

994
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: There's a little like behind the scenes for Undisputed are

995
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: show meeting thirty minutes if that usually twenty minutes, and

996
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: it's just here's the topics, here's the question, who's going first,

997
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: who's going second, Here's where the guests are, everybody out.

998
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: There's no conversation about what Skip's opinion is or Shannon's

999
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: opinion is. They both go their separate ways with their

1000
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: producers and start working on their notes, and then I

1001
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: go to hair and makeup and start working on my notes.

1002
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: So there's no long conversation in the meeting. Heard is

1003
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: a two hour meeting. We're going over every single topic,

1004
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: every single angle. All the producers are weighing in, I'm

1005
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: waning in Collins weighing in. So it's a completely different

1006
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: process to prep for the show. Now there's two different shows.

1007
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: Colin and I do a three hour radio show and

1008
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: that's the debate shows, so the beats are different. But

1009
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: he just preps so much like he doesn't like having

1010
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: space where he's just rambling. He hates that. Now he

1011
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: and I can have it back and forth. But you'll

1012
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: notice we don't do a whole lot. We're not gonna

1013
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: have a whole segment where we're talking about like Dorito's like,

1014
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: we're just we're doing a sports show and we want

1015
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: to do a good show. And he's gonna show up

1016
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: every day giving you the best show that he can do.

1017
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: And he's just like I said, he's a family guy.

1018
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: He loves hanging out with his wife, loves hanging out

1019
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: with his kids. They have six of them together, so

1020
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: he's like all about his family and just enjoying life.

1021
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: Like he's he's a very cool, fun person to work with.

1022
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: We wanted to moving from Undisputed to What's the Hurt? Well, Um,

1023
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: So I started in radio as we know, so and

1024
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: I talk a lot as we know I think you

1025
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: can tell that by now. So when I started on Undisputed, well,

1026
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: when I came to this one, I guess I should

1027
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: say I was doing a four hour radio show in

1028
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: Miami before I came How long is the hurt Her

1029
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: three hours air? Hour on air? Yeah, yeah, I mean

1030
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: with commercials and all that, Like you're not actually talking

1031
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: for the three straight hours, but it's a three hour show.

1032
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: I came to FS one to be an opinionist, so

1033
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 1: you're not giving your opinion and your moderator. Now, it's

1034
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: a huge platform working with Skipp and Shannon, and a

1035
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: big opportunity, and it was vital for my career to

1036
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: do that show. But when I went into the show,

1037
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna do that for this

1038
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: these reasons and to get you know, live television experience

1039
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: and all these things. But I can't do the show forever,

1040
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: Like this is not what I came here to do.

1041
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,959
Speaker 1: I can't give my opinion. I have things to say,

1042
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: and this is this is not the role that I

1043
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: want to have for ten years, six years whatever, no

1044
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: matter how great the show is doing. So I want

1045
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: like two years, two years and then I got to

1046
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: move on. Also, you don't have any kind of life

1047
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: when you're on that show, like the in bed, like

1048
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: in bed at nine o'clock, not going to bed at

1049
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: nine o'clock, showered, in bed with the lotion on. So

1050
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: you like during the week, you just don't do anything,

1051
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: which is fine. I still kind of don't do anything,

1052
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a very scheduled life. So I

1053
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: got two years of this, and Christine was leaving the

1054
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: Herb right around when the two year mark was coming up,

1055
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: so it was a kind of easy transition just to

1056
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: move across the student. You know, Colin I had done

1057
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: the show a lot together because anytime she was out,

1058
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: I would fill in, so I already knew the beats

1059
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: of the show and had a pretty good relationship with Colin.

1060
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: So that's that's really how it worked out. And then

1061
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: over the years, I think Colin and I have just

1062
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: gotten to know each other better and the chemistry had

1063
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: gotten a lot better. And then last year having to

1064
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: work from home and do a three hour sports show

1065
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: with no sports on for four months, things many things.

1066
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: Now it feels like we don't even have to like

1067
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: we're we're on that, We're on that next wavelength, like

1068
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: the you know, we don't have to talk just this, Okay,

1069
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: you need me to talk here, let's go. Because that

1070
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: just that made things so difficult to work through. So um,

1071
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's that's really the reason why I'm how

1072
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: do you personally judge or kind of measure your performance

1073
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: from show to show? You get well obviously, like I

1074
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: don't get ratings and we don't really pay attention. That's

1075
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: that's that's where the suits to work about. Like we're

1076
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: gonna do the show and we're good are our ratings

1077
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: are are really good? There? They are really good. But

1078
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't work ratings for me. If Colin is excited

1079
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: and he and I are having like a good exchange

1080
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: and the conversation moves past whatever the first level of

1081
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: it was, to me, that's a good show. It's not

1082
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: necessarily what people are reacting to on social media, because

1083
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: sometimes people just get upset about something you say, and

1084
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily engagement to me. I'm like, if I

1085
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: feel like Colin was activated, like he has thought of

1086
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: something different or thinks about something different than the way

1087
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: he can thought about it coming into the show, If

1088
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: he and I had a good exchange throughout the show,

1089
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: and we had good guests and like the energy was

1090
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: just flowing. Like that's that's a good show to me.

1091
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,479
Speaker 1: So outside of that, you have your your podcast. Maybe

1092
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm going crazy said, you guys are on a little

1093
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: break right now, and then Thursday night Football Scouts feed

1094
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: um on Prime Video. What is it like just being

1095
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: able to maneuver in all these different fields for someone

1096
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: who loves sports so much? And I mean you're getting

1097
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: paid for all of it that tom boy, I mean

1098
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: I am, I am a tomboy. It's a blessing. I

1099
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: mean so blessing to be able to do this. This

1100
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: is this is the dream, right we just sit around

1101
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: and talk about sports and talk about what we love

1102
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: all day. It's not easy. I don't ever want to

1103
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 1: give out away that impression. It is still a job.

1104
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: It's still work, um, But if it's work that you love,

1105
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: it's not tedious. So you know, there's never a point

1106
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: where I'm just walking into work and like just doing

1107
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,479
Speaker 1: work today. Like there's a process. You have to watch

1108
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: all the games. Sometimes you don't feel like watching the game,

1109
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: Like sometimes you just want to watch a movie. You

1110
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: don't care about this game necessarily because everybody doesn't care

1111
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: about everything all the time. Even if you are a

1112
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: big sports fan, that's only skip, like only skips in

1113
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: that space. But yeah, I mean it's it's amazing. It's

1114
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: a blessing. It's it's given me the opportunity to meet

1115
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: people that I never believes I would ever be in

1116
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: the same room with, to see places all over the country,

1117
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: um that otherwise I might not have seen, be at events,

1118
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: be it history spaces. And also to have a voice,

1119
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: which you know, I think having a voice, especially in

1120
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: today's society, a voice that isn't just redundant or you know,

1121
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: kind of pushed into the crowd is I mean, that's

1122
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: that's an incredible thing to have and something I take

1123
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: very seriously. It's powerful. So all of that to me

1124
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: is just, um, I just feel really blessed. I got

1125
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: two questions, what are your career goal goals going going forward?

1126
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 1: And what happened to turn up Fridays? I should change

1127
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: it to turn up Friday. Well, nobody was in the building. Yeah,

1128
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: it's hard to do dance park Friday by myself. I

1129
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: look crazy. I can barely dance as it is. So

1130
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: that's what having a dance park Friday I guess I

1131
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: should bring it back because I might change it to

1132
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: turn up Friday. A lot of people, a lot of

1133
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: people at the office was looking forward today, I know,

1134
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: but like there's no way in the office. And then

1135
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: like people would see me coming and like one because

1136
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: they didn't want to be on dance party Friday. But yeah,

1137
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: that's what happened, a dance party Friday. Um. But my goals,

1138
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to have my own show in

1139
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: the opinion space, UM, which will hopefully you know, be

1140
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: coming soon. And then my long term goal is to

1141
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: have my own network, I think, being able to produce

1142
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: content for other people and give other people voices and

1143
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: look to be honest. You know, I don't. I don't

1144
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: you you have a lifespan on camera, you know. So

1145
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: long term, I want to be able to transition into

1146
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: a space where I can create things for other people

1147
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: and you know, tell other people's stories and um, be

1148
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: able to leave an impact on the on the business

1149
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: in that way. I love it so quick hitters. First

1150
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: thing to come to mind, let us know your female

1151
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: athlete Mount Rushmore. Actually, I think I've done this before,

1152
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: so I don't want to mess it up. I wish

1153
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: you had given this to me this before, so I

1154
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: could really all right, So don't quote me on this

1155
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: because I might change my mind. But gott be Serena Williams.

1156
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna obviously put flow Joe. I'm about to say,

1157
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: don't do that, don't leave her. It's gotta be flow Joe. Um.

1158
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm gonna make this my personal amount

1159
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: rush because obviously, like this is debatable, but for me,

1160
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: the women that impacted me flow Joe Um, Serena Williams, Uh,

1161
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: Cheryl Swoops Honestly, for me growing up, she was on

1162
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: the show I Love Cheryl. I thought it was I

1163
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: thought her name was so cool and she I was

1164
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: just like, I'm gonna be Swoops. She had a shoe

1165
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: like she She was amazing to me, big inspiration growing up,

1166
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: being you know, five foot basketball player. Thought it was

1167
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: gonna be Michael Jordan's but Cheryl Sloops was amazing. And

1168
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: who did I love? Because I don't want to leave.

1169
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to be disrespectful. You know what, lay

1170
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: l Ly I like that Latelally, you know, because I'd

1171
01:00:55,120 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: be fighting sometimes so lail Ly, Uh, flow Joe, I

1172
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: like that. Three songs that describe you in the present,

1173
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: the dance fever. Um. You know what, I've been listening

1174
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: to a lot of afrobeats lately, Um, a lot of

1175
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: Nigerian music. So I love Burner Boy, who's afrobeats. It

1176
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: goes so some girl in the gym that I worked

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01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: at was on her afrobeats stuff and I asked to say,

1178
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: what is that though, it's African music? African music? Okay, yeah, okay, okay,

1179
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: so I would say burn So I'll say Burner Boy. Yeah.

1180
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm always in a two pocket of my

1181
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: up mood. So we'll we'll keep that up there. And

1182
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a song right now, which is a

1183
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: song in general, it's present, you're jamming in the present.

1184
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: I'll do uh, Mystery lady, Mystery lady. Yeah, alright, I'm

1185
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: gonna pop a question in here before it's not on here.

1186
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: But I want to know I've known you for a

1187
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: while and you're always very wild, banner calm together. Have

1188
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: you ever had a fan moment, like, is anyone, like

1189
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: an athlete or celebrity kind of give you a fan moment? Oh? Yeah,

1190
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: when I met Junior, say, I cried, yeah, p Junior

1191
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: because he played for a year in Miami, so I

1192
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:17,959
Speaker 1: got a chance to meet him, and he was so cool.

1193
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: Actually the picture as me I'm like and I'm crying. Um,

1194
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: so yeah, I was. I was tripping when I met Junior. Say, oh,

1195
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: I mean I met I met Michael at his golf tournament.

1196
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: This is actually a funny story. This is a better

1197
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: Jason story than what I told earlier. So Jason was

1198
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: playing with him. He was a Jordans athlete, so he

1199
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: was playing with him in his his golf tournament and

1200
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: he brought me down for my twenty first birthday to

1201
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: the Bahamas with him. So I'm like, look, he's always

1202
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: bragging about how he sees Jordan all the time, and

1203
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm a huge m j Zellett. So it was like,

1204
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,479
Speaker 1: if you don't introduce me to Michael, I'm not gonna

1205
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: talk to you anymore. Like we're not family anymore. It's ridiculous,

1206
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: Like you you know him, you're gonna golf with him,

1207
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: I should get to meet him. So I'm being a

1208
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: pain ass little sister because he doesn't like doing that stuff.

1209
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: So Michael walks in the first night into the restaurant

1210
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, let's go. Like I need

1211
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: to meet Michael a chance. I'm in the same place

1212
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: I got to meet him, but I'm like obviously very nervous.

1213
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: So I walked up to him and I'm just like hi.

1214
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: He's like like whatever. They're talking. He's like, it's my

1215
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: little sister, Mike Hindice to meet you. He's like, it's

1216
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: it's her tow my first birthday today. So Mike's like, oh,

1217
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: it's to my first birthday. That's so awesome. Like, let's

1218
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: go do it. Let's go do a tequila shot. I'm like, fuck, yeah,

1219
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't do a tequila shot with Michael Jordan. Let's go.

1220
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: And Jason was like hell no, really no, he totally

1221
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: blocked it. I'm like, come on, this is Michael and

1222
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: he's like, no, no, it's cool. Mike, like we're having

1223
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: dinner or whatever, and he's like all right, and he's like,

1224
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: if you want that shot later, let me know. I'm

1225
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: like I will when I get away from him. But yeah,

1226
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you doing? He's like, now

1227
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: you can't go with Mike. I'm like I'm not. It's Michael,

1228
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: Like what is what are you talking about? You can't

1229
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: tell Mike. No, so I didn't get to do the

1230
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: shot with with Michael, but I guess it's a it's

1231
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: a better story now until I've talked to him about it.

1232
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: The super Bowl actually with Colin and he said the

1233
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: reason that he didn't let me go because he was

1234
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: mad that Michael didn't ask him to do a shot

1235
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: with him. Top five most important sports moments to you.

1236
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: These are tough questions, guys. These are lists. I like

1237
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: to put effort into these lists. Let me get three then,

1238
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: because five is a lot, give me three. Okay. Um,

1239
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: I think you know these are also important to just

1240
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: like things that come to my mind because I don't

1241
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: want to be like I don't want to there's obviously

1242
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: bigger social moments. Don't overthink it. Yeah, okay, So I

1243
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: think Tom Brady coming back in the Super Bowl against

1244
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: the Falcons was a huge moment. I think that, for

1245
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: at least from me, solidified him as the greatest quarterback ever. Um.

1246
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: I think Lebron's first championship in Miami, Miami UM a

1247
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: little biased, but I do think it was important for

1248
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: him to get over that. And uh, I think that

1249
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: era of the heat, the Big Three in Miami is

1250
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: I've never seen any team get more hate ever at

1251
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: any point in my life. The first Big Three Lebron

1252
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: leaves Cleveland, they do that ridiculous press conference, which, by

1253
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: the way, I love extra ship, but I was watching

1254
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: that like this is a disaster, Like everyone's already mad

1255
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: at him, and then Miami's gonna do what Miami does

1256
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: and there's the fire and the like lights and the fans.

1257
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: We're just gonna rub it in everyone's face now and

1258
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: then talk about seven championships. I was like, oh, you'll

1259
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: never even play together yet down yes, yes, does it

1260
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: set the bar a little lower, but whatever, it worked out.

1261
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: So I thought that was a huge moment. You know what.

1262
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: I think it's not an actually on the court moment.

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Speaker 1: But I'm being very like recently bias here because I

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Speaker 1: would do a better list if I could think about

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Speaker 1: a longer. But I think nama Osaka not sitting out

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Speaker 1: the sitting out the tournament was really really important because

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Speaker 1: she is becoming one of the biggest stars. She's the

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Speaker 1: highest paid woman female athlete last year I think dollars

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Speaker 1: or something. She's becoming the biggest star not just in sports.

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Speaker 1: But of course, you know, Serena is eventually going to retire.

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Speaker 1: I'm not retiring seren Williams obviously, but like Nyamasaka is

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Speaker 1: becoming a huge international star, she already is. She's becoming

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Speaker 1: a superstar. And to see the support that she got

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Speaker 1: for that, and the reality of the impact of how

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Speaker 1: unnecessary some of these as someone in the media, these

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Speaker 1: media press conferences can be, how intimidating it can be,

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Speaker 1: how we expect everybody to have the same kind of

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Speaker 1: personality and ability to absorb those moments. Um. And for

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Speaker 1: her to stand up and say she wasn't going to

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Speaker 1: compete because she wasn't going to participate in it, I

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Speaker 1: thought was a really impactful. How young she is. Where

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Speaker 1: is your brother breaking record? She's gonna be bad to

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Speaker 1: me for that. Um. You know, it's weird when I

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Speaker 1: think about my brother's career. I think when you're close

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Speaker 1: to somebody, it's in some ways desensitizes you to like

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Speaker 1: some of the what their accomplishments are. When I saw him,

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Speaker 1: like his reception at the Hall of Fame, it was

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Speaker 1: like really a a sobering moment to like everything he's

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Speaker 1: really accomplished. Yeah, and I always knew he was great,

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Speaker 1: but it's like it's you, it's your brother, so you

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01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: don't really absorb it the same the same way as

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Speaker 1: somebody who's a fan or somebody who doesn't doesn't know him.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean he's he's. He and I are

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Speaker 1: very alike in a lot of ways, but he is

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Speaker 1: a much more patient person when it comes to dealing

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Speaker 1: with like the media. I'm glad that he played before

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Speaker 1: I got in this business, and that was coming full

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Speaker 1: circle because my nephews are about to be playing in

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Speaker 1: college and uh, you know, hopefully we'll make the league

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Speaker 1: as well, so I'm gonna be covering them, which will

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Speaker 1: be an interesting H five dinner guests, dead or Alive,

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Speaker 1: Tupac Tupac, Whitney Houston, she's my favorite, Muhammad Ali, Oprah,

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Speaker 1: and Howard Stern Step five. I like that Howard Stern

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Speaker 1: one message on the billboard, What would it be that's

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Speaker 1: seen around the world? Do your research, man. I can't

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Speaker 1: stand that ship. I cannot stand when people say ignorant

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Speaker 1: shit when there is information available to you. I think

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01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people are more afraid of learning something

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Speaker 1: and then their original thought being disproven than being educated.

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Speaker 1: That is not cute. Who told you that was cute?

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Speaker 1: It makes me insane as somebody who like understands I

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Speaker 1: could get sued for saying something on air that is inaccurate.

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Speaker 1: I'm like this, you don't have any kind of threshold

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Speaker 1: for that. And we live in a time. We live

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Speaker 1: in a post truth society, and the Internet, for all

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Speaker 1: of its you know, glorious Provisions, is also a place

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01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: where you can get information that is completely untrue, and

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Speaker 1: I under I sympathize with people in that there's just

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Speaker 1: a lot of information. It's it's hard to find the

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Speaker 1: truth right, to find actual facts. And you can wander

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Speaker 1: across a blog that looks legit. All the graphics look good.

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Speaker 1: But this is just an opinion space for something. Yes,

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01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: but it is, but like in a way it's not

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Speaker 1: because this could just be somebody's opinion. This this is

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Speaker 1: not necessarily a fact, Like where are you getting this information?

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Speaker 1: Could you use this as a source in a college paper?

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Speaker 1: Should be like the standard for where where you're getting

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Speaker 1: your facts from? Like has this been approved by multiple

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Speaker 1: people from a high level of whatever this business is

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Speaker 1: as actual information? People just get their news off of

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01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 1: stickers Internet stickers. This is a meme someone made on

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01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: word swag like this is where you're getting your news from.

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Speaker 1: It's maddening to me because then they share it and

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Speaker 1: it becomes facts, and then that person tells somebody else

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it's just real and

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Speaker 1: it's not. So do your research and and and don't

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Speaker 1: do it because for any other reason, then you need

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Speaker 1: to know what the truth is when you're saying right,

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Speaker 1: So you want sound dune, want to sound dune. That's

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Speaker 1: about now, I mean to me, now, it's about being first,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily being right. And then you go back and

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Speaker 1: you're not right that that what do you do? Then

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Speaker 1: you know you're allowed to have an opinion, but you're

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Speaker 1: also allowed to change your opinion. You don't have the

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Speaker 1: same opinion on life you have when you were sixteen

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Speaker 1: years old, Nor do you, nor do I. I don't

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Speaker 1: have these same opinions about stuff I had yesterday because

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Speaker 1: I have new information. We know we all went through

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Speaker 1: this last year, right, And I don't want to get

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01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: into like whatever is anyone's opinion about whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: It's fine, right, But the thing that may me the

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01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 1: most crazy is every time we get new information, everyone

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01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: be like, well, your scientists said it was different yesterday.

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Speaker 1: That's how science works. That's why they do research. So

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Speaker 1: if the opinion changes, they have to tell you it's

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Speaker 1: different now we have new information. You wouldn't go to

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Speaker 1: the doctor and be like, I want that surgery. Do surgery.

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Speaker 1: They did it the way they did it fifteen years ago,

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01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: Like okay, we can do with a laser now and

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Speaker 1: you don't have a scar, and like you probably won't

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01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: get an infection and die like no, no, no, you

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01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: said before that this way worked, So I don't like

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Speaker 1: this new way even though it's been proven for fifteen years, Like,

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01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:34,759
Speaker 1: you gotta do it the way that was in the book,

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01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: because otherwise you lied. Like it's not a lie, it's

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Speaker 1: an update of information. It's not just about the medical community.

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Speaker 1: Like in life, it's okay to change your opinion, do

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Speaker 1: your research. Last question, Joy, Um, who do you want

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Speaker 1: to see on all the smoke? And you have to

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Speaker 1: help us with your answer? Oh that means I have

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Speaker 1: to book them just Um. Well, I'm glad I was

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Speaker 1: finally invited. Um, you guys have been nice enough to

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Speaker 1: come on my podcast, so I appreciate it, and I

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Speaker 1: think you were on the Facebook Live show too, like

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Speaker 1: way back in the day. Who would I like to

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01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: see on here? Um, I'd love for you guys to

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01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: have Shakery on here. Awesome. We can get her for sure.

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Speaker 1: I think she would be a great interview. Who else?

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Speaker 1: You know what I think? When when Tom Tom's not

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Speaker 1: going to do the best interview now, But if you

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01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: could get Tom Brady on here, I feel like you

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01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: can finally get all the t You saying names, but

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Speaker 1: you forgot I can't book Tom. I'm just saying you

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01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: gotta help us. We didn't say book you said hell. Hell,

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Speaker 1: I'll sweet at him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta get

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01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: Shaky on here though. For for starters, I would love

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01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: to hear just more about her story from a comfortable space.

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Speaker 1: Come and get you scared, come and get you. Well.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap. Joy, Thank you for your time, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me. Another addition to All the Smoke,

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Speaker 1: Joy Taylor, you can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube,

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Speaker 1: and the I Heart platform Black Effects. See you all

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Speaker 1: next week. This is All a Smoke, a production of

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