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Speaker 2: Player's Second Act podcast.

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Speaker 3: And with me as always as my see co host

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Speaker 3: Roman Harbor, everybody's in our nice blues today, I'm really

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Speaker 3: He's definitely my top two coach in the NFL because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a super Bowl champion, played on

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Speaker 1: We probably took him too, you did, I promise you

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Speaker 2: Now he's the general manager of Cow's football team. Ladies

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Speaker 1: Pot run the thank you, thank you. How's that been?

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Speaker 1: It's been interesting? It is probably the best word I

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Speaker 1: Was there there? There really is? There are no parameters,

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Speaker 3: Like coaches have told on coaches in the past or programs,

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Speaker 3: I just think this thing could go a bazillion different ways.

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Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and we'll be

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Speaker 3: Coach, how do you guys kind of monitor and maybe

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Speaker 3: you can be in lockstep with Tosh, your head coach

432
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,639
Speaker 3: about this. As far as like mine in Indiana were

433
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,679
Speaker 3: the teams in the finals. They're probably two of the

434
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,359
Speaker 3: older teams in college football this past year. So finding

435
00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,200
Speaker 3: the balance between high school recruiting, which is what we're

436
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,200
Speaker 3: traditionally so used to. But man, these are the guys

437
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 3: that are ahead of us, and they're like kind of

438
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 3: cutting the corner because they're getting the older guys. I

439
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,080
Speaker 3: don't know what to use to describe it, but you

440
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 3: understand what I'm at.

441
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Speaker 1: I know exactly where you're going. That's a great question

442
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,360
Speaker 1: because well, I'll tell you this much two things. First

443
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 1: of all, if I love to have had you guys

444
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,359
Speaker 1: younger and then had you to to to where we

445
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 1: ought you, yeah, because why? For two reasons. One is,

446
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,400
Speaker 1: when you guys are younger, you guys are a tremendous player, dynamic.

447
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 1: But as you get older and wiser, you can help

448
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 1: the younger guys develop and grow. So what we've looked at,

449
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,679
Speaker 1: and then I think I think it's one of the

450
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 1: models you got to think about, is how do you

451
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 1: build your team up. What's happened now is everybody they're

452
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,439
Speaker 1: not they're not recruiting as many high school kids as

453
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 1: they used to, right, so because that number has dropped.

454
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 1: What's happening now is you're going to the portal. Well,

455
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,119
Speaker 1: what's happening in the portal now is guys are grabbing

456
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 1: guys that have played one year and not even really played.

457
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 1: They're disgruntled, they're not happy. They were high recruits. Okay,

458
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 1: they were four star five so whatever they were. But

459
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 1: the thing you got to remember is just because you're

460
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 1: recruiting them after their first year, you go, oh, we

461
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: got him for three more years. But I understand this.

462
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 1: They didn't play a lot. That's why they're leaving. Yeah,

463
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 1: so you grab those guys that go, well, shoot, he's

464
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:21,959
Speaker 1: not ready. I mean I saw that from last year.

465
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Speaker 1: We grabbed a couple of guys that were really good recruits,

466
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Speaker 1: but they didn't play a lot. We brought him in

467
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 1: and it's like, well didn't he work on it? And

468
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 1: he you know, And for me, my perspective is, well,

469
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: who taught these guys? And then the realization that doing that,

470
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 1: you're not getting a refined player. But you take a

471
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Speaker 1: guy that's been someplace two years, three years, and all

472
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,679
Speaker 1: of a sudden you get this player and he's played.

473
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Speaker 1: Now it's to your point. Now you've got a mature guy,

474
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: but you've also got a guy that's got more playing experience.

475
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Speaker 1: I used to tell people, you know, when we were

476
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Speaker 1: first developing and growing, when we went to Chicago with

477
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Speaker 1: you guys, have you talked about why do you like

478
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 1: this team so much? Because these young guys played when

479
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 1: young guys and they get a lot of playing time,

480
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,239
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you go, well, you got

481
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 1: the crap kicked out of Yeah we did. But guess

482
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: what happened. They got experience. Now that's go, oh wow,

483
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 1: how this team become so good so fast? No, they

484
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: did run fast. It took a period of time getting

485
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: your butt kick for two years. Not fast. It feels

486
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: like an eternity. That's what we went through in Carolina,

487
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 1: and then we finally got to a certain point. And

488
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 1: then once you get to that point, then you find

489
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Speaker 1: the veteran guys that come in and now they solidisfy

490
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 1: who you are. So to me, it's finding your own

491
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: Just like in the NFL. You want to draft guys

492
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 1: and you want to develop them and grow them. Same

493
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: thing with high school recruiting. Get those guys in there,

494
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 1: get your core why because they understand your culture. If

495
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Speaker 1: they're not going to play a lot they're freshmen, you

496
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: got to love them up and get them to understand

497
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 1: this is about growth and development. Get your academics square

498
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 1: so you don't have to worry about that part of it. Now,

499
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 1: let's figure your growth and development plan. How are we

500
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: going to develop you as a football player. And once

501
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Speaker 1: we get you to that point, your second year, maybe

502
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: your third year, guess who you are for the next

503
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: two seasons. Okay, you're everybody. Everybody's watching and I finished.

504
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: Young people don't understand when you go from one school

505
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: to the other. It's a new process every time. And

506
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 1: if you're never learning something and you're not refining your skills,

507
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: skill sets change, you're not going to be as desirable

508
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: until you get to the very end. Don't waste your

509
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: first year is growing, learning, developing. I don't know why

510
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 1: everybody thinks they have to play now, that's just that's

511
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 1: the model though. Yeah, but see the problem with the

512
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 1: model is it's not right in the NFL. But how

513
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: many times have we seen have we seen sacrificial quarterbacks?

514
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Speaker 3: And they don't ask like, well did you play as

515
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 3: a freshman? Like they never asked that. No, Like NFL

516
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 3: doesn't care about that. And the other thing that coaches

517
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: so correct is like when you get there in college,

518
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 3: I would be telling guys the first year, like, if

519
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: you play, that's great, for your main goal should be

520
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 3: get them grays and get up out of study hall

521
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 3: where you ain't got to be here for two hours

522
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 3: or hour have every doing get them hours in the

523
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 3: study all because that's what you got as a freshman.

524
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: Yep.

525
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 3: Your goals would get out of study hall yep.

526
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,479
Speaker 1: But for whatever everybody thinks you have to play, you

527
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: draft a guy he has to play well, he hasn't

528
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: been seasoned, he hasn't learned. Well, this guy's got a

529
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: great tremendous talent. Well, yeah he does, But at what

530
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: point is that going to be detrimental because he hasn't learned.

531
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: I've seen good young players get on the football field

532
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: and get whooped and they lose that confidence. Now all

533
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: of a sudden, they're filled with anxiety. Anxiety is a

534
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: matter of not knowing what the outcome is going to be,

535
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: or anticipating an outcome and then not being prepared for it.

536
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: And if those three things are aligned, guess what You're

537
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: in trouble. So we want to develop these young people, Well,

538
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: let's give him a reason to be confident. Why because

539
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: they've had an opportunity to be brought along slowly, They've

540
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 1: learned gradually, They've had veteran guys around him could tell

541
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: him about how and what to look for in terms

542
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: of pitfalls. Now, all of a sudden, after a good

543
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: year of development and growth, guess where they are. They're

544
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: ready to play. Let's give them that opportunity. But for

545
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: whatever reason, Hey, he was a top five pick, Well

546
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 1: he's got to have to play. Now.

547
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: It harder to develop kids, even though, oh, isn't harder?

548
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: Isn't it harder to develop kids?

549
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:09,239
Speaker 1: I believe it is.

550
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: With the portal right there, yes, because it turns into hell, Okay,

551
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: I'm a high school kid. You bring me in from

552
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: whatever school. I'm a freshman. I don't play.

553
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: I go into portal. Yep.

554
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: Like to me that that seems to be the process

555
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 2: of what college football is yeah, like I have to

556
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: play right now or I'm not making the forty fifty

557
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: one hundred K whatever that number is.

558
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: But what they have to understand too is you you

559
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to develop that. Okay, the more prepared

560
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: you are to play, right, the better you're going to show. Yeah,

561
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: accept what you're going to be as a freshman. If

562
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: you're unless you're special, unless you're dominant. That's what your

563
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: attitude should be is, hey, I am a hey, I'm

564
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: ready to play, and you'll play. We're not stupid. I

565
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: mean we can see that a freshman is better than

566
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: a senior. Guess who's playing firshman. Absolutely, that's what's going

567
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: to happen because we have to put the best player

568
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: in the field today, especially in today's game, because you

569
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: have to be able to compete and and and this

570
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: stuff about well you know he's a fresh he's well,

571
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: he's a senior. You know, you got no, you have

572
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: to play it in today's In today's game, you play

573
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: the player if they're ready, if they're and if they're

574
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: not ready, to be honest, hey, we'll work you in.

575
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: We'll give you an opportunity and then do that gradually

576
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe within two three games. He is

577
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: the guy I mean, and then sometimes some guys just

578
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I love the quarterback we have. Jaring was ready,

579
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: he was prepared, and we saw in the Oregon State

580
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 1: opener his first ten passive completions two of them are touchdowns.

581
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: I mean, And I'll take a quick story. I'm in

582
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: the I'm in the press box watching and because they

583
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: don't have an extra box for the for the GMS,

584
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: so I've got to sit with the alums, So I'm

585
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: off in the corner. I'm taking my notes, I'm watching

586
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: the game. He throws his second touchdown and the alums

587
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: are high five in each other and I kind of

588
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: turned around and guy goes, oh boy, you got a

589
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: tough job. He said, No, I'm going to be calling

590
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: each and every one of you tomorrow and we get back.

591
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: Remember this feeling, that's right, Remember this feeling right.

592
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: Don't cats the holy ghosts in church, and then don't

593
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: go into your pocket, you know what I mean. Let

594
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 3: me get a little something about before you get out

595
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: of here. Sorry, go ahead, No.

596
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 2: Marshawn Lynch, Jared Golf, Cam Jordan. Why was it important

597
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 2: for those guys to be back at Cal the other day.

598
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: Oh, it was very important, just because well, this this

599
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: is what's crazy. So there's a stat that I read

600
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: recently from this past season. Do you know that the

601
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: that there are four of the top salary earners in

602
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: the NFL we're all cow guys. There are four of

603
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: them out of the top forty five. Four of them

604
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: Jared Aaron, Keenan Allen, and Cam Jordan. When I got

605
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: to to Jared on one of the players, he goes,

606
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: he played her. I see, Jared got played here. Yeah,

607
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: And I said, don't you know he played he plays

608
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: for Lions. Go I know he plays for Lions coach.

609
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: I didn't realize he played he I mean just one

610
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: of the current players. So then I said, then when

611
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: I said Keenan Allen, he goes, you mean Keenan Allen

612
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: plays for the Charger. I said, yeah, that Keenan Allen

613
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: goes he played there. Yeah, right there, this is Jersey's

614
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: on the wall. He said, I thought that was another guy.

615
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 1: But see, that's that's the crazy part about it. That's

616
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: the thing that we have to make sure so when

617
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: guys like that come back and all of a sudden

618
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: they see these guys in the realization that hey, you

619
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: can come to an academic institution and they will find you.

620
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: I promise you they'll find you. If they don't find

621
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: you and you show up on somebody else play, everybody

622
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: else will go start going wow, coach.

623
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 3: You know, I've really struggled with the changes in college.

624
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 3: I'm a football purist, and so you know, I was

625
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: at Alabama during probation doing three coaching changes and I

626
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: never left. And so personally, you played at CAL and like,

627
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, And I want you to try and

628
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: express to these young people what it's like, because ultimately

629
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 3: the biggest detriment when you leave and you go to

630
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: two to three different schools, and everybody's situation is different.

631
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: But like, I'm connected to Alabama with the rest of

632
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 3: my life and they're connected to me. You're connected to

633
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: kl for the rest of your life and they're connected

634
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: to you. Yep, And like not on a lot of

635
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: these kids are not graduating, but they're also When you're

636
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: done and you're a twenty something year old that's made

637
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: a little money and now you go into a job

638
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: and they not paying you nowhere near as much, you

639
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: feel a little down about yourself and where you're going

640
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: to go back to the call home. They don't have

641
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 3: that either, and so it's another sense of loneliness lost.

642
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: And it just kind of adds empoles onto what young

643
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: men are complaining about and what they may have to

644
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: deal with at an earlier age. And so how do

645
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: you feel about that part of it? Slowing that part

646
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 3: down and at least having them recognize that, hey, the

647
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: value of saying this is my school. That that is

648
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: value that nobody sees right now. But when you look

649
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 3: up fifteen years you want to go to a homecoming,

650
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: it's hard to pick when you got to choose some

651
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: three and not just one exactly.

652
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: And I think that's a great point because to me,

653
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: one thing's everybody got to understand. And this is a

654
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: very stark reality. And I've only been challenged on it

655
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: one time by a parent. Okay, less than one percent

656
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: of draft, all draft eligible college student football players will

657
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: make it to the NFL. Less than one percent. That's

658
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: a transition rate of about three hundred and seventy five

659
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: to four hundred and seventy five guys. That's it. Think

660
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: about that because usually around three hundred and thirty to

661
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty get drafted. And that's including the

662
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: the extra rounds that are okay, the extra picks or

663
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: whatever that are added. So because of that, because of

664
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Speaker 1: the compiscatory picks, that numbers is becomes a little bit higher.

665
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: But if you didn't have it, it might even be smaller.

666
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: But think about that. Because of that, that that's less

667
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: than one percent, and that's only about on average, about

668
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: four hundred guys. And I'm sitting in a in a

669
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: room and I've watched as look around like okay, wait,

670
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: mine want you know, trying to figure out if he's

671
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: one of those less than one percenters. Well, how can

672
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: you mitigate that? How can you protect yourself? Well, you

673
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: got to get your education, you've got to plan for

674
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: the future, you got to develop those relationships. To your point,

675
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: think about this, cal produced and supported and helped finance

676
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred startup tech startups the last few years. Okay,

677
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: it's it leads all the universes in producing them more

678
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: than anybody else. And let's say one of your really

679
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: good friends is a guy that had a tech startup,

680
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: all right, and he's making money and he's he's going

681
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: to a second round of looking for investors, and he says, hey, bro, well,

682
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: hey you want to throw one hundred thousand dollars in.

683
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: You know, next thing you throw a hundred thousand dollars

684
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: in and it's six x within five years whatever. I mean,

685
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: those are the kind of relationships that these guys don't

686
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to help. They don't realize. And it's

687
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: not just it cal. I mean, we're sure we're at

688
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: the gateway to Silicon Valley and there's a lot of

689
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: that industry here, but it's true for pretty much in

690
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: the universities. What can they produce and what can they

691
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: have for you? If you develop that relationship, you have

692
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: that kind of connections. Like you said, when you're done playing,

693
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: there's that opportunity. I mean, Marshawn comes back and all

694
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: our guys sit there and wow, and Marshawn talks about

695
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: business about how he does it. I mean, he understands

696
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: marketing and and you know it's funny because you know,

697
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: some people talk about is beast mode. Some people really

698
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: know about him. I've heard him call him money beast

699
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: because he understands what it means to put it out there.

700
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: That's what you've got to learn. That's you got to

701
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: understand what those are, the connections, that's the that's the

702
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 1: homecoming you want to be able to have.

703
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, coach. My last football question for cal

704
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: is how do you guys compete in today's college football space?

705
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: When if you're behind, how do you catch up? How

706
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: do you surpass? I think the ACC is a very

707
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: competitive league for you guys this year, understanding like every

708
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: team like it's a brand new season, Like I literally

709
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: have no idea what any team's going to be like

710
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: from year to year. I thought Clemson was going to

711
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: be a heavy hitter. They were a third and I

712
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: didn't see Miami being what they were as well. So like,

713
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: how and how do you guys compete this year? I

714
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: want to give me that vision.

715
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: I think we have an opportunity to compete at a

716
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: higher level. I really do. And the reason I said

717
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: is again, you look at what Indiana does and you say, Okay,

718
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: that's the model. You look at what Texas Tech did,

719
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: that's the model. They go out and they get the

720
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 1: donor engagement the way they did. Both of them had

721
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: new coaching staffs coming in, so all of a sudden

722
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: they gave these.

723
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Speaker 3: Guys and they went and got some of your players.

724
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: They went at a quarterback too.

725
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely, now you have that guy, Now you have those

726
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: people in position. Now you can take the next step.

727
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: You know, Indiana they felt they needed a quarterback and

728
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: probably the best available was for Nana Mendoza and he

729
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: proved it. And you know, he's a cow guy. The

730
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: nice thing about you know him leaving was he was

731
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: a graduate though. Yeah he finished his degree, so you know,

732
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: and and so a graduate got an opportunity to move

733
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Speaker 1: on and congratulates because he did a great job. The

734
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: best part is he gave the shout out to cal

735
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: That was kind of cool to see. But the truth, though,

736
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: to your point, how do you how do you look

737
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: at it? I look at it that if we've done

738
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Speaker 1: what we've needed to do, we've done well in the portal,

739
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: it looks like, but now we got to make sure

740
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: on the field their coach step and they play to

741
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: that ability. With that, you can be up in that

742
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: next echelon. And that's where we were. We were ready

743
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: to take one more step. You go back and look

744
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: at it, and we had three games. On the last

745
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: possession we lost, Okay, we score, we stop them, we score.

746
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: We could have won at two of those three and

747
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: then the right too. You win the right too. You're

748
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: you're in the ACC playoffs. So the potential's there. But

749
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: I think from what we've done finishing and I think

750
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: it's fourteen out of the number fourteen in the portal

751
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: for this year, I think that gives us the opportunity

752
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: to be even more competitive. So I'm i'm I'm expecting

753
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: a great opportunity for us to take a big step.

754
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: I love that we'll be back in a minute.

755
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: Coaching style, I'm used to your coaching style. You coach

756
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: both of us in twenty fifteen. I had you in

757
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: two thousand and four. If I'm not mistaken for four,

758
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: five and six, do you think your coaching style is

759
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: relevant in today's NFL with how much the game has changed.

760
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: Without a doubt, I'll tell you what I No matter

761
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: how you look at, the one thing you have to

762
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: understand is that these players want direct Yeah, that's the

763
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: first thing. Second thing they want consistency, okay, And I

764
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: think if you're consistent, you treat everybody the same and

765
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: you do things the right way with them, okay. And

766
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: understanding that it's got to be fair. It's got to

767
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: be fair. Everybody has a value and it's all based

768
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: off the value. But you got it. But they want that,

769
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: and I mean to the point where, you know, I

770
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: did a thing with Cam where he didn't have a tie.

771
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: I was there for this and he doesn't have the

772
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: tie on. So I treated him just like it did

773
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: everybody else. And I couldn't start them. Okay, Greg Hardy

774
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: didn't have a tie. Okay, I didn't start. I mean

775
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: that's the rule. Yeah, So that's what I did. And

776
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: it's one of those things. And when when the news

777
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: broke that it was over a tie, I had people

778
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: who didn't believe it was over a tie. First of all,

779
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: they thought he was out drinking or something like. Well,

780
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: Cam didn't drink. No, he would like that. I don't

781
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: know if he does now, but back then he did

782
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: and all I did. And and the best part was

783
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: he took it too. He got in front of he

784
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't, you know, he know him. He wanted

785
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: to play. But at least he took it and he

786
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: took it the right way. Needless to say, I tell him, Mike,

787
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: you won't play the first series? Well, then thinking d

788
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: A throws an interception and you know, on the very

789
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: first place throat heaters cam runs over. He goes, I'm

790
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:42,479
Speaker 1: in next next series, just like you said, My god, coach,

791
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: how do you deal with the balance of doing your job?

792
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: But then you just were interviewed for the cardinal's job

793
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: this past cycle as well well.

794
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: The biggest thing on that more anything else was they

795
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: were doing their due diligence. I had a relationship with

796
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: with mister Bidwell, you know, from from my league, some

797
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: of the the committees I was on in the league,

798
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: so you know, knowing that there was an option coming

799
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: in in an interview, I went took it. We kept

800
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: it quiet for as long as we could, mostly because

801
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: we had the portal was open and so and he

802
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: didn't get out. I mean, it didn't get out for

803
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: a long time that I had interviewed, and so really

804
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: the focus was always about saying keeping everything going. I

805
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: did it on I did the fifteenth, which was the

806
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: last the day before the closing of the portal, and

807
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: so really nothing, you know, and that was the idea

808
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: behind it. All.

809
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: Right, coach, this is going to be really hard. That's

810
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: probably a toughest question I have to ask you, all right,

811
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: but just think about this. Describe Peanut Tillman in one word.

812
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: Wow. I mean because you look at him first of all,

813
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: he's he comes across as he's unassuming until he opens

814
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: his mouth. Yeah, then you realize, Wow, Okay, this guy's

815
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: got some he's got something to him and he can't

816
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: control himself. No, he can't. Hmmm, oh gosh, I'm gonna

817
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: have to break out the sosaurus man to find the

818
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: right word. No lies told. Yeah, yeah, you know what.

819
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: Honest Okay, that's who he is. Okay, he is that.

820
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: He's honest. What you see and the way he acts honestly, okay,

821
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: the way he carries himself in an honest fashion. He's

822
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: going to give you the truth. He's going to be

823
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: honest with you. I think honest would be a really

824
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: good word. I'll take that.

825
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: I would agree with that. He is honest. I mean,

826
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 3: we don't always need him to be honest. In that moment, yeah,

827
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: you know, he was like like, maybe we could have

828
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 3: waited like five minutes to like maybe get out of

829
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 3: the room before you said that.

830
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: So, yes, okay, I'll tell you what. Yeah, thank you.

831
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: You gave me a good way to think of this

832
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: young man from now on. Yeah, yeah, I think that's

833
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: a great word for you, Charles.

834
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: All right, I'll do the same thing, but with mister

835
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 2: mister Harper right here, one word to describe him as a.

836
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: Player, as a player who didn't I didn't use the

837
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: player for you. I'm gonna switch it up. Okay, okay. Determined.

838
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: He played with a determined fashion about He wanted to win.

839
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: He wanted to be successful. So everything he did he

840
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: did it with the fashion that I'm determined to be best.

841
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: Even later in his career, some guys accept that, hey,

842
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not. He still didn't. He still

843
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: wanted to be that guy, which I thought was great

844
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: because the young guys that would always ask me, why

845
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: is he always do things like that? I said, dude,

846
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: that's him. He's a professionalist. The way he does it.

847
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,959
Speaker 1: He always wants to be the best. When guys asked

848
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: you about veterans, that was the thing I really appreciated too,

849
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: was your presence. You know, you always show that you

850
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: were working hard, that you wanted to win. I know

851
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: you wanted to win that Super Bowl. That was the

852
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: things that I really appreciated you have guys like that.

853
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: That's why I said, having had if I could add

854
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: both you guys in Carolina with me when you guys are.

855
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: A little younger.

856
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: Because the other thing too, you guys both did you

857
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: guys had a way with Cam Yeah, okay, that's the

858
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: other thing, you know. And and I will say when

859
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: you guys left and Josh normanly mm hmm okay, there

860
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: was that little competitive edge that you guys could always

861
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: compete with them. I know the other guys did as well.

862
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: But when you have the right group of guys, and

863
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: then when we started having issues with the injuries, you

864
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: guys are the guys grab these new guys and say

865
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: this is not this is how we do things. Yep,

866
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: this is how we do it. And that was important.

867
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I appreciate that. I am very.

868
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 3: Goal oriented, so I appreciate that, and so I'm very

869
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 3: determined and focused on what I want to accomplished. Look, Coach,

870
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 3: I've told you this before, like it was one of

871
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: the best compliments you ever gave me, was that in

872
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 3: fourteen you came up to me because you're the only

873
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 3: coach that's ever written handwritten letters to players as well

874
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: that I know of and so the personal style in

875
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: which you go about your business is amazing. We lost

876
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: what eight straight games that year. I was like the

877
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 3: maddest person in the world, and you just were like, dude,

878
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 3: you just gotta trust it, like.

879
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: We've got to keep it going.

880
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: And you you told me that, you know, Roman, you

881
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: should have been a guy that never. You should have

882
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 3: been a one team guy. You should have never they

883
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 3: should have never let you go. I'm happy, no, and

884
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: I agree. I really I still believe that. Yeah, you're like,

885
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: there's they should have never let you go. I'm so

886
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: happy you're here. Yeah, who you are. It was like

887
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: to me, I'm like, that's the ultimate compliment. And I

888
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: really took that and I was like, man, that's that's amazing.

889
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: You know. But you know, at twenty fourteen, I think

890
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: it was one of those years that the way everybody

891
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: rallied around each other and stay stay close. Yes, it

892
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: was crazy to me. It was it was basically the

893
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: month of October. Yeah, we were zero three and one. Yeah, okay,

894
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: and and that one was and I don't know if

895
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: you remember it, you know we were zero three one one. Oh. Yeah,

896
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: So we've lost four out of the five games in October,

897
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: and what was crazy was the the tie was the

898
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: Cincinnati and I don't remember. I got in front of

899
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: everybody said that's going to be the difference, and it was.

900
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: The game is what got us into the playoffs. We

901
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: were seven eight and one. Everybody else was seven and nine,

902
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: seven and nine, and we beat our last four games.

903
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: We beat New Orleans, we beat Tampa, we beat Cleveland,

904
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: and then we went and we beat Atlanta big time

905
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: in Atlanta to win the division. And that's what it was.

906
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: Winter was taken on that game and that's all we

907
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: could ask was just give us a chance. Oh yeah,

908
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: you guys were something else.

909
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 3: Man.

910
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: Then once you guys realized it in a minute.

911
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 3: I hadn't lost that many games in a row since

912
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: I've been to the NFL or College. And so to

913
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: have a coach that was just steady, like steady Eddie.

914
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: Where I was with Sean Payton, who was very hot,

915
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, he was like I'll cut somebody

916
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 3: out oft and Ron was like, no, I love this team,

917
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 3: and I was like this is the most Like he's

918
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 3: the captain of the ship and like he won't let

919
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 3: it rock. And I'm like I'm waiting for it to rock,

920
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 3: so somebody falls off and he's like.

921
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: This is who we are.

922
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 3: And it was amazing to watch. And I had so

923
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 3: much growth under your tutelage and the way that you

924
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: ran the team, and it was just like, man, it's

925
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 3: more than one way to skin a cat, for sure.

926
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 2: Do you remember when the boat rocked and we were

927
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: on the bus. He made everybody get off the bus. No,

928
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: in Carolina, you remember that?

929
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 3: No? I think I was was out. Had I gotten

930
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: on the bus yet?

931
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: No, we were getting ready to leave.

932
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: So I don't think you liked the energy the team had.

933
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 2: We were getting on a bus and we were Finna

934
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 2: travel Ivrey who were playing We're so undefeated. But everyone

935
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: gets on the bus. We're getting ready to leave, Bava,

936
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 2: we get off going to team room. You just you

937
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: let us have Hey, Hey, I damn it. I don't

938
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: like to look this energy. We're not Finna start to

939
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: strip off this way. We're this is a we're here

940
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: to play a football game. You said a couple of things,

941
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,959
Speaker 2: and it was just like, oh, okay, maybe we start

942
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: filling ourselves, but you you let.

943
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: Us know like right away, right, I do remember you

944
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: let us right away the game too, because I don't

945
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: know the game. No, you know what it was. There

946
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: was a group of guys that were getting on the

947
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: bus late, and so I waited, so everybody on the bus,

948
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: and then I told them all to get out, get

949
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: off the bus. Let's go inside right now. I said,

950
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: first of all, guys, y'all better take this seriously. The

951
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: biggest thing I do not like is our attitude right now.

952
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: Think we're just going to show up. Yeah, but see,

953
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: the crazy thing is I always used to talk about attitude,

954
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: right and what I used to say when I played, Yeah,

955
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: but the attitude preparation effort. But I tell the guys

956
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: is I always used to tell everybody the story about

957
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. When I played for the eighty five team.

958
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: We used to get off the bus and we were

959
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: already up by seven because of our attitude. Okay, and

960
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: I used this line. I said this, I said, the

961
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: reason I got you off that bus is, guys, your

962
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: attitude is about when you get off the bus, you're

963
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 1: ready to play. It's not about getting on the bus.

964
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: When you get on the bus, you got to be

965
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: focused and be ready getting off the bus. You can

966
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: get off it with confidence. I'm not going to have

967
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: you do this. So, yeah, you're right, I did. I

968
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: remember that. I can't say what I said. It's okay.

969
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: Look man, well the message was war received because we

970
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: went out there and we beat it out of whoever

971
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 3: we played.

972
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: Trying to remember it.

973
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: You know, that season was just so fun, just all

974
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 3: the memories and I look back and I give you

975
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 3: so much credit because you allowed us to be who

976
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: we were, and ultimately I think you got a lot

977
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: of that because of your eighty five Bears experience. You're like,

978
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: this is like because I think we did a one thing.

979
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 3: It was only like three or four of us who

980
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 3: actually won a Super Bowl who've.

981
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: Been a part of a Super Bowl team. I happened

982
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: to be one.

983
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: Ed Dixon was one, and then you were one. It

984
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 3: wasn't a lot of us. And I heard you talking

985
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: about the team and you were, you know, kind of

986
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: comparing to your eighty five team, how how much personality

987
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: this team had and how much your eighty five team

988
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 3: personality is like what they were. It was the strength

989
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 3: of the team.

990
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. You could see it and you could

991
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: feel it because you guys started doing the down. I

992
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: was on the sideline. Yeah, I started doing pictures you like,

993
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: keeping doing it? Yeah, yeah, but we'll see. It was

994
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: really about what I said you guys was, hey, if

995
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: you can keep your personality, be true to who you

996
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: are and and and then live within the values, hey

997
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: you can play, you can play for us. And the

998
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: big thing that I really appreciated only guys, you remember

999
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: was handing the balls to the kids. Okay, yeah, yeah,

1000
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: I mean there's like over fifty of them we're giving out,

1001
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: And that was probably one of the really cool things

1002
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: that happened was the way you guys reached out to

1003
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: the community, because you know, that's my biggest point is

1004
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: not is not winning, not just for you guys, but

1005
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: for the community, because that community rally behind us. They

1006
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: really did, and it was a great ride. It was

1007
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: something else.

1008
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 2: I'm just glad you brought me in.

1009
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: That was I'm glad too.

1010
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 3: I learned a lot from Peanut that year, just as

1011
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: far as technique, being the constant technician that he is,

1012
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 3: even though he has zero swag with an arm brace

1013
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 3: and socks just legally right what they're supposed to be

1014
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: a that's fine, I mean, but I really appreciated the

1015
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 3: veteran presence, the fact that I got days off in

1016
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 3: training camp for the first time, treated like a true pro,

1017
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 3: and I live in Charlotte because of it, and so

1018
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,959
Speaker 3: it's forever changed my life, and only my.

1019
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: Life, and my kid's life. We were being raised in

1020
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 1: Charlotte as well.

1021
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 3: So it's been fantastic and I'm just forever grateful for

1022
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 3: what you McDermott and Wilkes and everybody.

1023
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: How you guys took care of me. Well, Coach, we

1024
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on the pod. This is awesome.

1025
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: Oh, always giving us great knowledge.

1026
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is great. It's always great to see you guys.

1027
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: For all our viewers and listeners out there. Wherever you

1028
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1029
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1030
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1031
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,040
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1032
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: tell a friend to do what Pnut. There we go, man,

1033
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,799
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1034
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Speaker 3: on the NFL's YouTube channel.

1035
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: I like that.

1036
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 3: I'm Peanut.

1037
00:47:59,200 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: That's Roman.

1038
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: This is robot Ron and this is the NFL Player's

1039
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: Second Act podcast.

1040
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 3: We are out