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Speaker 1: My guest today is makeup artists and beauty influencer MICHAELA

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Speaker 1: Nice to meet you. This is really interesting on so

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Speaker 1: many levels because and please do not take this the

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Speaker 1: I love to just live day by day. I wake

426
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: up every day and I you know, create a plan

427
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 1: of what I'm gonna do that day. That's that's definitely

428
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: how I like to live. Well, that's first of all,

429
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: so I'm very similar to you. I am a homebody

430
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: Number one. I am. I don't go to any kind

431
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: of big event unless it's like something that really means something,

432
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: and I sort of have to go for work. I don't.

433
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: I used to not put on makeup unless I was

434
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: being paid. That's changed in the last eight weeks since

435
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 1: I've tried to play with it, and I think it's fun.

436
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: I get what you like about it, but um, I

437
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: have a very normal, like mom life. I've never had

438
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: a nanny and it's really been the thing that is

439
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: the most important. So I think that's amazing that you

440
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: already want to do that. And also I never I

441
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: you could use it. Be great with your accent. You

442
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: overshot the mac effectively, you've overshot the map, so I've

443
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: overshot the mark and it sounds like you have to

444
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: The rest is gravy now, So you just have to

445
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: make the right choices and not burn out because it

446
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: gets be if you don't enjoy it, then it's the

447
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: world when you get burnt out, because everybody else is

448
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: driving what you're doing and you're on there. You're not driving,

449
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: you're in the backseat. It becomes you have you are

450
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: the only one who will pump the brakes and we'll

451
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: start to So that's you know what I mean. And

452
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 1: if you ever my we have a house in Massachusetts.

453
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: I don't know where you Yeah, So if you need

454
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: any like tax people or business people or money people,

455
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 1: are lawyers or anything like that, because you're in Massachusetts,

456
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm there if you need anything. Um. So it's funny

457
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: because I'll see this in waves and I don't know

458
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 1: if people are copying you or if it's just coincidental.

459
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: But you know, TikTok was a different place where I

460
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: saw different things, and I saw literally in the same

461
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: couple of days you you were sad, you were uh,

462
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were eating cookies and you

463
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: were talking about how you you you've you've struggled with

464
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,719
Speaker 1: Wade and what I call body noise food noise, and

465
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: you were mooting about the pressure. And then I saw

466
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 1: other people posting in their lives about the pressure, and

467
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: I was thinking, I've seen people connect with an audience

468
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 1: in a way where it's great, and then they can

469
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: sort of turn on you at certain times if you

470
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: do something, if you're almost canceled or whatever, and I'm

471
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: at wonder about the relationship with the audience, and do

472
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: you how does that work for you? So you're sharing

473
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: something that's super personal and then they're talking back, and

474
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: does it feed you? Does it help you? Do you

475
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: feel like you could say things to them that you

476
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: can't say to people in your life that you know.

477
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm just curious about that whole area because I saw

478
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: it with a couple of different people, and I was

479
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: curious about that that vibe. Yeah. Well, so when I,

480
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, put my camera on my phone in front

481
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: of me and I hit record, you know, the average

482
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: person sees it as, oh, she's filming this video for

483
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: twelve million people. For me, I see it as, oh,

484
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm about to talk to myself right now, Like I

485
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: am literally talking to myself. And I even sometimes forget

486
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: that there will be people on the other side and

487
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: you know, um, but for instance, that video I posted

488
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: with you know, I was eating the ding dong's or

489
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: the sugary food or whatever, and I was talking about

490
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: how I was struggling with the pressure. I feel very

491
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: comfortable posting that kind of stuff because I have sort

492
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: of grown. I guess it's considered a pair of social

493
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: relationship with my audience, UM, where they feel comfortable talking

494
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: to me. Uh, you should see my d M S

495
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 1: or I feel comfortable talking to them. And I mean,

496
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: the biggest reason I do it is because I know that.

497
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: You know, I'm extremely grateful to be where I am.

498
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: I am extremely blessed, and I I am in an

499
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: incredible position in my life. But at the same time,

500
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: I'm just a twenty three year old girl trying to

501
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: figure it out. Like I, I don't know what I'm

502
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: doing half the time, UM, and I struggled to and

503
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: I know that if I share my struggles that it'll

504
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: help even just one person. So like, I know that

505
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: anytime I do talk about, you know, my eating disorder

506
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: or anything vulnerable, UM, people listen because they get it,

507
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: they understand. And I never want my page to be

508
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: just makeup because I'm way more than that. I yes,

509
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: makeup is my whole world, but there are so many

510
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: other things that I am passionate about, and mental health

511
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: and eating disorders is one of those things. So yeah,

512
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, that makes sense.

513
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad you explained it, and um, does it feel so? So?

514
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: For example, I've been on Instagram for years and Twitter

515
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: and I've never felt that connected to it. It It feels

516
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: sort of static and stuck. And I never could be

517
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: good at social media. I'm terrible at it because it

518
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: just was like look at me, Look how cute I look,

519
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: Look how rich I am, Look at my vacation. Like

520
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: I came up at a different age than you, when

521
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: you would never take a picture of yourself in abating

522
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: suit and show people that, Like, I just so now

523
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: to be in this world where you're supposed to show

524
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: the inside of your vagina, like you're supposed to know

525
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: nothing's too much. So I had like I just never

526
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: got used to it. And now TikTok seemed very different.

527
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: And you kind of want to share an idea or

528
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: something you just discovered. I'm saying, so do you, because

529
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: and I feel like it could be addictive because you

530
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: want to like share it, you want to post it,

531
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: you want to tell them, And I wonder where that

532
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: line is because for you, um, you know that's your business.

533
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: So do you have to control yourself? You have to

534
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: structure it, like otherwise you'll just be I mean, does

535
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: anyone around you say it's too much with the posting

536
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: or no, because I know, you know, what's what's the

537
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: line with all that? Yeah, well this is a great

538
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: question for me because I am a workaholic, right, like

539
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: really bad. I mean I've been I've been that way

540
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: in my whole life. But um, with this Korea, it

541
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: has definitely just like skyrocketed. Um. For instance, I I'm

542
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: going on a cruise and like a few weeks and

543
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: all I keep thinking about is Okay, I'm supposed to

544
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: be offline for this cruise, but what incredible content could

545
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: I create on this cruise? I mean, you know, I'm

546
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: on a tropical island. I could do some really cool content.

547
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: But like that, I can't shut that off. You know,

548
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: I just can't shut it off. Um, even you know

549
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm getting married that year and I'm thinking about, oh

550
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: what can I do for TikTok to showcase my wedding?

551
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: Like I literally think like that like all the time. Um.

552
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 1: It is kind of said, like, you know, like we

553
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: can't really shut it off because it is a job

554
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: to create content that people want to watch. Um. And

555
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people say views don't matter,

556
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: but they kind of do matter if you want to

557
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: do this as a job. So, um, I'm always trying

558
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: to think outside of the box, but it is really

559
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: difficult to shut it on. No, well, you're a competitive

560
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: person with yourself. But and I guess because I'm asking

561
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: myself because I want a vacation, and I shot some

562
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: stuff too, because it's it's it's I saw you say

563
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: something about therapy. I never stopped thinking. It doesn't matter

564
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: if I'm thinking about literally ingredients in my refrigerator, buttons

565
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: I want to change on a blazer, I lash brushes,

566
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: career book, I sweat all the small stuff. So if

567
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm away in a vacation, there's no way I'm just

568
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: gonna like zen out the entire time. So it's other

569
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: time in a day. I guess you could be reading.

570
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: But it's fun to play. It feels like you're playing,

571
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: like just like you're sort of you know, you're you're

572
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: you're working around effectively exactly. And that's like TikTok's a

573
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: little bit different. Like I I pull out my phone,

574
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: I opened the TikTok app and I hit record. I

575
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: don't I've never edited a video. I got it right,

576
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: I have never edited I just hit record and boom

577
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: done and I posted. I that's what's different about TikTok

578
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: compared to like YouTube and stuff like that. You don't

579
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: need to do anything, and you can do it right

580
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: in the moment, and it's it's it's live. You know,

581
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: it's liberating, and if it's not perfect, it's perfect because

582
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: it's not perfect, exactly right. I like that. Okay, do

583
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: you even are the other social media channels unnecessary? I

584
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 1: don't want to say evil, but do you like them

585
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: or you just doing them? Because you have to have

586
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: a well rounded career. I mean, like I wanted to

587
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: do YouTube for the longest time, but I don't know

588
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: how to edit videos. I would have to learn, you know.

589
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: Like that's why I haven't even gotten into that kind

590
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: of world. Instagram I like because you know, I do makeup,

591
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: so I like to take photos of the makeup and

592
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: I get to look back at all of the posts

593
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: and see what makeup I've done and stuff like that. Um,

594
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: and I enjoy editing photos. I think that's a fun pasttime.

595
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: I do like Instagram. I do like Instagram, and I

596
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: really like stories because that's like in the moment and

597
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: if you have a question or you want to share something,

598
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: you can just post it right there. You know, got it,

599
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: and you just do whatever you want. You don't think

600
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: about when you're supposed to be doing that or whatever.

601
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: You just on Instagram. You just if you post twenty stories,

602
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: you don't care. There's no rhyme maries in her strategy

603
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: to what You're just doing it, or you have some

604
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: sort of strategy. My I guess my strategy is I

605
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: just do whatever I want. That's good, that's amazing, that's amazing.

606
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: I think maybe I overthought it because people tell me

607
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to do this, and he supposed to.

608
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: It just doesn't It just has never clicked with me.

609
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: Who were the beauty influences you were mentioning earlier that

610
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: came up before you that you used to watch, right, So,

611
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: I love Candy Johnson, I watched a lot of Jacqueline Hill,

612
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: Patrick stat Manny Amy Way, Dasi Perkins. I'm trying to

613
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: think who else. Yeah, I've never heard of any of

614
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: these people until now. Yeah, like you, I meant beauty

615
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: people when I was around twelve, so this was like

616
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: years ago. You know, that's amazing. I know I used

617
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,239
Speaker 1: to get my eyebrows done from Anastasia when we were

618
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: both broke and she was in a tiny little room

619
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 1: and so I've known her since, way before they come up.

620
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: That's the only beauty influencer I've ever known. But I

621
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: love her. I love her, and I met Orvina and

622
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: she's awesome as well. Yeah. Um, so you talk of breakouts,

623
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: which to me, so the only thing I've had a

624
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: problem with with wearing makeup more now and trying is

625
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: that I have very good skin knock Wood. I don't

626
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: break out, and I'm like the number one thing in

627
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: my mind to break out your skin is makeup, any

628
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: kind of makeup, You're still piling more ship in your skin.

629
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: And when I go to my facialist, if she does microbrasion,

630
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: derm abrasion, since seeing this, she was showing me that

631
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: little pattage because this is all makeup and I'm doing

632
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: scrubs and I'm doing math. So is it just too

633
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: bad I'm an artist, is what I'm doing? Or you

634
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: don't think of it that way, but it must contribute

635
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: to your breakouts in some way. Yeah, That's what I

636
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: wish I could figure out. Like, like the other thing

637
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: is I used so many new products every day that

638
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: I can't be like, oh, this is what broke me

639
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: out because I don't know, you know, because it was

640
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: so many new products. Um But for me, like if

641
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: if my skincare routine is so intense, because it has

642
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: to be like if I just take a makeup wipe

643
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: and and remove the makeup and then use a cleans

644
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: up that doesn't do anything, you have to really like

645
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: oil plant and sometimes I will triple cleanse. You have to.

646
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: You have to, um you really do. And yeah, so

647
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes I definitely break out due to makeup,

648
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: but I try to buy like the non comediogenic makeup,

649
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: which definitely helps um or. You know, there are are

650
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: beauty branch that have more clean ingredients than others and

651
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: that can help as well, you know. But meaning like

652
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: definitely not wearing makeup at all would be the best thing,

653
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter. You're an artist. This is what

654
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: you do. This is your canvas tough ship. You're wearing

655
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: makeup and the skin has to just deal with that. Yeah,

656
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: I mean, well, you know it's strange. I actually break

657
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: out more when I don't wear makeup because when I

658
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: have makeup on it creates a barrier on my face

659
00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: that prevents other stuff from getting into it. And I

660
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: love that you're saying that because yeah, because in high

661
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: school I heard that like some of those foundation powders

662
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: or something would actually prevent it, and I thought that

663
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: was total bullshit. And I have to say some people,

664
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: my my skin has been looking very good lately, and

665
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: I've been wearing makeup more and I thought, maybe it's

666
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: keeping the ship out because I never wear me I

667
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: mean nothing, well nothing, I don't care if I just

668
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: don't care, and it's been actually pretty good. I wonder

669
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: if what you're saying is actually true. Just get it cleaned. Well, um,

670
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: that could be a great that's that's that's an interesting

671
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: philosophy that I might be subscribing to it. Yeah, I

672
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: have to say that the one thing that that I

673
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: learned from all of these years and having all these

674
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: people do my makeup, that the facialist will notice a

675
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: difference when I am at a hotel and they have

676
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: all those wash cloths and use it with really warm

677
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: water and like seam and use a wash cloth. It's

678
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: better than any scrub any other thing. Because that's why

679
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 1: my skin is the cleanest. So that's like the tried

680
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: and true. Um So, do you do you feel that

681
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: because you talk about insecurities, you talk about body and

682
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: face image, do you feel insecure if you're not wearing makeup?

683
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: Are you comfortable like just walking out and or is

684
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: it or it's you? Yeah, that's my question. Um So.

685
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: The the interesting thing is, um the there's a big

686
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: reason I started on TikTok that I don't talk about

687
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: very much. But I used to have a blog and

688
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: I posted a blog talking about how I was going

689
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: to post my first ever video of myself without makeup

690
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: and I was gonna just show the world I was

691
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: gonna And I wasn't an influence that or anything at

692
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: this time. I was just a regular person, not online.

693
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: Um but I said, you know, I'm really really, really

694
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: terribly insecure of myself, my acne, my body, and I

695
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: need to do something about it. Um So the first

696
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: thing I did was made my first tick talk and

697
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: it was literally, um me showing my full face of acne,

698
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: no just no makeup at all, and it was terrifying

699
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: and the and what else was terrifying is it blew up?

700
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: It was my first video I ever posted and I

701
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: absolutely blew up, and I was so confused, but I

702
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: felt like it was the universe trying to tell me

703
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: they were like proud of me for doing that or something.

704
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: And that changed my life. And now I feel incredibly

705
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: comfortable going out without makeup on. I actually I go

706
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: out without makeup on more often than I have makeup on,

707
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: to be honest. Ah. So and that was without any content.

708
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: You you didn't then have you? You did that and

709
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: then you put makeup on to show the difference? Are

710
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: you just like, Hi, this is me and I don't

711
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: feel great about myself. Well, the first thing I did

712
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: was I posted a blog article that showed a picture

713
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: of my skin. Um, and it was it was a

714
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: pretty bad picture. I can send it to you, um.

715
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: And then I said, check out the video I'm gonna

716
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: post on TikTok and and I posted it and it was, Yeah,

717
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: it was a video of the before and the after

718
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: to show that, you know, this is what my skin

719
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: looks like, but this is what it looks like with makeup.

720
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: And I was just kind of showing the difference. But

721
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: makeup is what made me feel good in my skin

722
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: for so so, so long, and that has changed for

723
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: me in the last two years. I don't feel like

724
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: I need makeup anymore to feel beautiful, which is the

725
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 1: way I used to feel. Now I feel like, oh

726
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm beautiful. But makeup just like takes me

727
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: to another level that is incredible. You know, like I

728
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: have a different mindset than I used to. Well, you

729
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: have a different relationship with makeup, meaning it seems like

730
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: before it was like to solve an insecurity problem. So

731
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: that's a weird, not great relationship. But now you feel beautiful.

732
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: Make up something fun to have fun with. It's like

733
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: a good I talk about food noise people who have

734
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: a bad relationship with food. I was good, I was bad.

735
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna eat, I ate, I binged, I threw

736
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: up like versus like a relationship with food. Yes, I

737
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: love brownies. I can't have time. I'm gonna have a

738
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: half of brownie. Like it's it's called like a food

739
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: voice versus noise. So you used to have noise about

740
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: needing the makeup, and now you have like a voice

741
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: about it. Absolutely absolutely Now I'll makeup. It's just at

742
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah, you have a great relationship with that.

743
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: I love. That's amazing. Um, so, what's your rose and

744
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: your thorn in this career? Oh what does that mean?

745
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: The high and the low? Like the thing that was

746
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: the greatest and then what's been the low so far? Okay? Uh,

747
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: the high definitely my get into work. I worked with

748
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: glam Light. It's an indie beauty brand, and I created

749
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: my own collection and I got to for a full

750
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: year put all my passion into creating it. And it

751
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: launched June thirteenth last year, and that was one of

752
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: the most incredible days of my life. The collection sold

753
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: out in like five minutes and it was really really

754
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: cool to see. So that was definitely my my highest

755
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: moment so and um, my lowest moment is probably it's

756
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: really difficult to be um in the eyes of foldingly

757
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: in people. I struggle with it a lot, actually, Um,

758
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: And I understand that, you know, I chose to do this.

759
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: It's a choice, and I love it. But at the

760
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: same time, it's it's really difficult when I see, you know,

761
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: videos about me that question my character or are false

762
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: accusations or anything of that sort, or just putting me

763
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: down or or making fun of how I look like

764
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 1: that seeing that stuff, Yeah, absolutely seeing that stuff every

765
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: day is not good for me, especially as someone who

766
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: does struggle with mental health. But it's it's a little

767
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: bit difficult to avoid. You know, I've never seen anything

768
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: bad about you. That's funny that you're saying that you

769
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: seem beloved to me. Obviously it's coming in your for

770
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: you page because it's literally for you, but you and

771
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: You're about you page. But what is the problem that

772
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: people have besides just giving character assassinations because that's just assholes?

773
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: Like what what are people saying? Because you know, now

774
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: you're in business, it's not just a passion, so it's

775
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: going to be different, and that's the bottom line. Success

776
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: breeds contempt. So what is the problem that people have?

777
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: Because I was going to ask that as a different question,

778
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: like what's the negativity you get? Oh? Yeah, I mean thankfully,

779
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: Um it's it's truly positivity. But you know, you take

780
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: that ten percent and you kind of it it stirs

781
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: in your mind. But um, it's just really you know,

782
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: more so the talks about you know, I went from

783
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: having a lot of acne to now I have really

784
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: really good skin, and there's a lot of confusion. Um,

785
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: if I'm using like intense filters too, oh integrity stuff. Yeah,

786
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: and I and my using filters to slim my face

787
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, which I am absolutely not and

788
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: you I don't have. I'm just using my macwork right now.

789
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: My skin is fine. But you know, people go to

790
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: length too just they want to find something to be

791
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: negative about, even when you maybe don't deserve it. And

792
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: that's kind of what's happened to me. And also, uh,

793
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: this this has been since the beginning, but the talk

794
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: about my voice is definitely uh the one that people

795
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: like to have, so really well, you'd rather be lucky

796
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: than smat. But um, I think your voice is great

797
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: and it's become like part of you and iconic, you know. Um,

798
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: and it's cool to be from Massachusetts my opinion, but

799
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: it's cool to be from Massachusetts. Um, do you feel

800
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: what percentage do you think that you're lucky? And what

801
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: percentage smart? M hm um, I would say smack lucky. Okay,

802
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: cannot that's good. I have a similar thing with you

803
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: that I haven't made a big plan. I wanted to

804
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: mention that to you, like I I want you know,

805
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: I don't sit here like I'm dumb not knowing what

806
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I have a I'm playing chess, you know,

807
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: but I'm also playing checkers because I'm aware of the pieces.

808
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: But I don't like want to be X. I never

809
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: wanted to be. Why. I just do things I love

810
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: then I execute them and I do them well. And

811
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: if you do what you do it well. So just

812
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: you know, as someone who's watch your younger, take that

813
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: for what what you will? Um? Can I ask you

814
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: just a few dumb, dumb product questions? Okay, I just

815
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: want to know if there's certain things like I want

816
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: to know if like you've tried every single thing and

817
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: there are certain things I'm just curious if you tried Okay,

818
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: have you doesn't? Have you tried the Neutrogena makeup remover bomb? Yes?

819
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: I really like it? You did, okay, because I want

820
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: to know it's like what I think is is that

821
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: like sort of accurate? You know? Have you tried the

822
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: Spotlight physicians formula that first step that's sort of like

823
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: the flawless filter step. Have you ever tried its formula? Yeah?

824
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: And it's called Spotlight And I don't love everything that

825
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: brand makes. I just if you ever aboard, I want

826
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: to like see to me It's amazing, and I just

827
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: want to know if, like I'm on the right page,

828
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: because it seemed I put it next to the floss

829
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: filter and all those other ones are talking about the

830
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: Loomie the that that I know, the Alicia, this one

831
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: was amazing. I just want to know if you tried that.

832
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: Have you ever tried Mlanie lip oil or by the way,

833
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: I don't work with any these people, as I'm just

834
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: a dummy, like going to the store. Have you ever

835
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 1: tried Milanie lip oil or air Mes lip oil? When

836
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: you I died laughing when you made the I think

837
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: the m as lopoil was one of the first videos

838
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: I saw, have you guys? I had just bought them

839
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: and I was literally holding them in my hand as

840
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: your as that video comes up. I love the m

841
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: as lip oils. I love them. I really like the

842
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: scent too, smell like iced tea to you, I have

843
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: to go back and smell. I just couldn't believe that

844
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: it like was substantial and it was lip sticky glossish,

845
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: but still was an oil. I thought that it was

846
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: because it was expensive and I knew I was going

847
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: to spend it and be like, what the funk and

848
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that was it. And then have you

849
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: ever tried the Milani lipoil? That's also fun. I literally

850
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: made a video saying I thought the Milani lipoils were

851
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: a dupe for the do A one, but I never

852
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: posted it. But I oh, okay, so I'm not so bad. Yeah,

853
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: I think it's amazing. I think it's even I mean,

854
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say you may have a deal with Door,

855
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: but I think it's even better. Like I thought it

856
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: was beyond. I thought it was the best of that group.

857
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: I thought it was very good. I mean even this this.

858
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: I love that they have different sense for each one.

859
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: And yes, because I'm big sense, so me too. And

860
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: that that was like a mangoe and it has a

861
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: fat or little thing like which I like. Yes, okay, um,

862
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: did you ever try the Neutrogena Hydrating concealer or the

863
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: Healthy Skin Foundation. Neutrigena got me through high school to

864
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: be okay, I I love nutri gena. I Um, I

865
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: really did use it like every day in high school. Yeah,

866
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: as the actne Clear in line, the Acting Clear and

867
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: foundation literally helped me with my act when I was

868
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: in high school. I think it's like, really, I've gone

869
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: like next to other ones and gone through the whole thing.

870
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: I thought that was fun um And then only two

871
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: more questions in that category the Soul by Color Pop

872
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: Cream Bronzer. Did you ever try that one? It smells

873
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: like the beach? Do you like that one? Yeah? I

874
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: made a video over two years ago and I duped

875
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 1: it with the chanel Ah and did it and it worked,

876
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: like It's okay. I'm so proud of myself because I like, literally,

877
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: I just I've hunted through and these are things that

878
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: I thought like we're worth a mention or worth an

879
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: ask to see if what you thought? Wow, um, well,

880
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: I think it's really fun. Thank you for allowing me

881
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: to invade in your space of beauty because I feel

882
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: like I'm sort of an intruder, you know, trying to

883
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: be honest by the fact I don't know anything, but

884
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: I've liked finding out what's bullshit and what's not. Oh,

885
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: I guess that was a question for you. Do you

886
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: think that high end brands, and this is a generalization,

887
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: are markedly better than the drug store? Because I have found, honestly,

888
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: not like that A lot of the drug store stuff

889
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: I like better than the high end brands, and I'm

890
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: thinking it's mullet more more money in R and D,

891
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: and maybe the packaging isn't as good with the exception

892
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: of eyeshadows. The drug store suck on eyeshadows. But I

893
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: want to know what you think about like that, the

894
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: high end versus the lower end quality and your inclination

895
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: to use with the exception of the emotional aspect of

896
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: the packaging, which does matter. Well, it's not a secret,

897
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: right that Gloriel owns some of the massive high end

898
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: brands and a lot of the drug store brands. It's

899
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: not a secret. And and you know, formula for makeup

900
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: is the same across the board. I mean, there's very

901
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: small differences and whether it's high end a drug store

902
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: and I personally have an understanding that with the high

903
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: end stuff you really paying for, you know, the name,

904
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: but also the typically it is a higher quality packaging

905
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: that that to be the case, um And also you know,

906
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: higher end is able to use some higher grade ingredients

907
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: for sure, but absolutely absolutely able to get the same

908
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: or similar results with drug store. And that's why dupes

909
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: are so popular and that's also why I like, I

910
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: love to support indie brands because they come out with

911
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: incredible products as well. You know, well, it's funny because

912
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: you say dupe, and dupe is a big TikTok word,

913
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: and I know I learned the word fit from you.

914
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what it meant. I literally didn't

915
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: know what I meant to One of my assistants told me, like,

916
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: has my fit? I thought it was like I'm looking fit.

917
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know its outfit. So I learned. But the

918
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 1: d I never say the word dupe because I feel

919
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: like like I'm a person who's been knocked off so

920
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: much with skinny girl, like knocked off, cheater brands, et cetera.

921
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: So I'll say like an alternative, but I always feel

922
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: like I cringe with the word do for me to

923
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: say it. Also because I'm also an intruder, like I'm

924
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: not one of these people that says fit or dupe.

925
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, take it fucking easy. But but the reason

926
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: is I feel like the original person created and everyone's

927
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: copying it, So now it's a dupe that everyone's copying.

928
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: The revolution spongey thing is a copy of the Charlotte Silbury,

929
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: but now the Charlotte Tilbury with the Swirl is a

930
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 1: copy of the the Chanel. So is everybody just copy? What's

931
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: that about? Everybody's just like, isn't there some code? Um?

932
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean there is sadly no code, But like I

933
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 1: absolutely noticed that too, Like a lot of things are

934
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: not just do they act copies? I see it, you know,

935
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: more frequently now, especially because like there is so much

936
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: makeup coming out constantly that it's just like how do

937
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: you keep up? And a lot of brands act kind

938
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: of doing the same exact thing, and it can be

939
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: a lot for sure. Um, And I think I do

940
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: think the word dupe gets thrown around a little bit loosely, Like,

941
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: for me, a dupe is a more affordable version of

942
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: a higher end product that has the same finish, the

943
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: same texture, and a very very similar formula versus. You know,

944
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: some people use the word dupe a little too loosely,

945
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: like you're saying it's a nice look what I'm saying.

946
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: You're saying what I'm saying, which is alternative. This is

947
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: a nice alternative. And it's even the way you're not

948
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: saying this is a knockoff from Chinatown of a louis

949
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: Utan bag, which is what people are doing, like yeah,

950
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: I found the exact copy. I guess right, That's what

951
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, I feel like if I talk about

952
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: uh something else, I feel like I don't even I

953
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: don't know Charlotte Tiburre. You actually know Charlotte Tillbury. I

954
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: feel like if I talk about the other one, that

955
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: I'm disrespecting the person who created it, you know, Like

956
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: I I have a code with that. So I find

957
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: it interesting because it's it's everybody's. But then when I

958
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: saw the Charlotte shibvery swirlly thing that the Chanel thing

959
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: has in the bronzer, I thought, oh, everybody's just doing

960
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: what everybody else is doing it. So I find your

961
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: business interesting in that way too, because I'm a very

962
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: big marketing and business person. And then I just thought,

963
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: I just bought the Flower Beauty Spotlight liquid highlighter, and yeah,

964
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 1: and Charlotte Tibury has a highlighter called Spotlight, and they're

965
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: in the same They're in the same exact packaging and

966
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So I'm gonna do a video on

967
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: it tomorrow or the next day and try to see

968
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: if they are exact copies, you know that, because I

969
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: think that's kind of interesting. Well, I think it's interesting

970
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: because I think if Charlotte seas Drew Barrymore at an event,

971
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: isn't she gonna be like, you stole my ship, Like

972
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: I would be. I have a hard time. And I

973
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: know they're both big and master, but like, if I

974
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: were Charlotte Tillbury and I saw Drew Barrymore, I'd be like,

975
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: you're biting off my ship. Yeah, I would, because it's

976
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: the same thing I would. I would fire Charlotte. But

977
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: that's you can't in that business because that's the name

978
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: of the game. But um so, the last question is

979
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: the stuff. So if it's all expiring in the time

980
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: that they say it's going to and I know that

981
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: that's grossly exaggerated because there's no a people are buying

982
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: all the ship to last for three months, six months, whatever.

983
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: But you've got all this stuff, how how you recycling it?

984
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: Are you a hoarder? Are you keeping it tight because

985
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: you gotta get rid of? Like what do you does

986
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: it give you an anxiety? Well, I just got so

987
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: I just got back from Nevada yesterday. I was there

988
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: one day's I came back to forty packages. So it's

989
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: it's like I get. I get about ten a day,

990
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: I'd say, um, and I I to be honest, I

991
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: donate or I do giveaways every once in a while,

992
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: wanting to hit like milestones and stuff. But I would

993
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: say I donate and give away about Okay, you have

994
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: to because I have to. And that's the other thing

995
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm like an anti water like I can't.

996
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: I hate I hate having a ton of stuff. I

997
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: can't do it. So no, it's noisy. It's noisy. So

998
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: you pick the one you want to try, you like it,

999
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: and the ten other colors and the ten other product

1000
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: give too, Yeah, gift baskets whatever. I just wanted to

1001
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 1: know because I found that I look at the stuff

1002
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: behind you and it's grown, and I get anxiety. I

1003
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: have stuff anxiety. So I literally I was like, what

1004
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: did she doing with all this stuff? Like? So, You're amazing,

1005
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful for the conversation. I'm proud of you.

1006
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm impressed with your grace and how you've handled yourself

1007
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: and doing it authentically. And you're just a great example

1008
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 1: of doing some of your passionate about in an honest way,

1009
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: which I think is beautiful. And Um, I'm in massages.

1010
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 1: When I'm in Massachusetts. If you want to do anything,

1011
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: we could do what any you know, whatever you want

1012
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: to do or if you need any help or whatever,

1013
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: I'm here. I'm there, Yeah, when you're in mass letting

1014
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: me know. And also I just want to say, uh,

1015
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: you know when I first saw you a page and

1016
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 1: what you were doing. Um, you know. I'm only twenty three,

1017
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: but I get comments all the time saying like, I

1018
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: wish there were people who would show us on more

1019
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: mature skin, older the skin. And I think what you

1020
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: do is really cool and I hope you keep doing

1021
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: it because it does help a lot of people. Ah,

1022
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 1: that's really sweet. I am liking it. People are very

1023
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: if they're like, think about it. If I had thirty

1024
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: years of makeup and don't know a damn thing, what

1025
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: does some woman know that has never had a makeup done?

1026
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: She doesn't know anything? And I, you know, so I'm

1027
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: finding that very interesting. It's but I like you've made

1028
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: it a creative like art project. It's fun. It's just

1029
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: a fun, silly thing to do for me, not for you. Amazing.

1030
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,919
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see the cruise content and everything else.

1031
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: But I appreciate you and thank you so much for

1032
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, thank you so much. Oh wait, no,

1033
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: Cody put On does he like you better with or

1034
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: without makeup? Because men tend to like women with that makeup.

1035
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: Cody definitely um says he prefers it without. Okay, I thought,

1036
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: So you go through all that, you're going in circles

1037
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: for you do it for you love it. Fantastic, have

1038
00:54:44,640 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: a wonderful day, all right, by bye. That was really

1039
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: really interesting because I'm I don't I have assistant to

1040
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: her twenty three but like I don't like in a

1041
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: from a fan perspective, I don't know anybody, or follow anybody,

1042
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,479
Speaker 1: or no about anybody's career. Who's twenty three years old?

1043
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: And she's really created a world for herself, you know,

1044
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: a niche, and it's very successful. I can't imagine what

1045
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: it would be like being successful twenty three years old.

1046
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: I wasn't successful til fifteen years later than that. Like

1047
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: that's real, that's crazy. So she's like a child beauty star.

1048
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: It's fascinating. Uh, not a child, she's a woman, but

1049
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: you know she's very young. So and she was poised

1050
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: and I love the conversation and Honestly, for those of

1051
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: you who don't know that I've been doing these beauty videos,

1052
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 1: when I tell you that, I get stopped on the street,

1053
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: on the beach and CBS and Target more for this

1054
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: crazy shit than anything I've ever done in my life.

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Speaker 1: Like in my career, I've had a Paul and I said,

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Speaker 1: you think I've had a decent career, Like literally everywhere

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Speaker 1: I go, thank you are You're doing the Lord's work,

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Speaker 1: Like it's crazy. So now I've interviewed the goat and

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Speaker 1: actually I want to interview that other girl, the Meredith girl,

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Speaker 1: who has like a bunch of followers too, because this

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Speaker 1: is a little space a world, and um, I took

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Speaker 1: this very seriously today. I was very excited. This bitch

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Speaker 1: has some power too. She's got some serious power in

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Speaker 1: the beauty space. She moves a market. She moves a market.

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Speaker 1: She says she likes it sold out. That's what they

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Speaker 1: call in the financial industry, or at this on the

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Speaker 1: stock market, is moving a market, you know. So that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: That's like the Oprah effect. Oprah like Tory Burchess Tunic

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Speaker 1: and a career was born. It's that crazy. So MICHAELA

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Speaker 1: is like that about products. Um oh, so you're welcome

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Speaker 1: all the products that I have tried and mentioned getting

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Speaker 1: Michaela to say she loved them, but thank you for

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Speaker 1: you know, doing it to begin with. So anyway, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for listening. Remember to rate, review and subscribe.

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Speaker 1: That was michaela amazing