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Speaker 1: are being so nice and everything, trying not to bump

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Speaker 1: anybody or whatever it is. And so the coach asked

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Speaker 1: the problem the coach is basically saying, he's like rough

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Speaker 1: He's only played playing soccer for six months. You know,

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Speaker 1: them win? Yeah, because they think they're good. They're good,

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Speaker 1: and they think they're too good if you let them

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Speaker 1: He started walking around the house like I'm the best

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Speaker 1: And I was like, wait, hold on one second. Kid,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, let's go outside and

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Speaker 1: I took him outside and didn't let him score one basket, right,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't. This is this is continued for the

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Speaker 1: last about two weeks. And yesterday we're outside and we're

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Speaker 1: he can't be he can't listen. The truth of the

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying reminds me of my dog

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Speaker 1: trainer who said, don't ever let the dog win in

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Speaker 1: want the dog to think they have more power than you,

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Speaker 1: assuming that's the psychology behind it, right, so, and and

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Speaker 1: they might get too aggressive if they think they can

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Speaker 1: And that's what the coach was saying, like he's these

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Speaker 1: That's how it goes. But speaking of traveling all of

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Speaker 1: They hooked it up? Okay, So first of all, they've

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Speaker 1: were interested in getting off of full gas cars. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: But that's also telling you, hey, fucker, pay attention. What

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Speaker 1: That's cool. So they're kind of known Honday. It seems

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Speaker 1: driving around LA. And we're gonna do that relatively soon, right, Joel.

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Speaker 1: I think of Jude episode. Oh I could, I'll be

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Speaker 1: I think I had Joelle put me on driver's license, right, Joel, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: you are now approved to drive because Donald, I no

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Speaker 1: offense to you. I do think I'm a slightly better

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Speaker 1: than really. So maybe we could get another Honday and

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Speaker 1: have a drive competition, Joel. So you want to race,

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Speaker 1: You're saying, you're saying you want to race. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you want to fast and furious

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Speaker 1: what should we do? You wouldn't say, let's sustainably kill

425
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 1: the last ten percent. And yet that's what we're doing

426
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: for the oceans, And unfortunately, there's a lot of internal

427
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 1: corruption and the funding is often coming from the fishing

428
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: industry to those very organizations that are in charge of

429
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: stewarding the ocean and taking care of the ocean. It says, yeah,

430
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 1: for me, it's unexcitable and it felt like a betrayal

431
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: when I found that out. You caught a lot of

432
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: people with their jaw dropped. I thought, like a lot

433
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 1: of you found yourself in a lot of awkward interviews,

434
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: which are great if you like documentaries. I love a

435
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 1: good solid, awkward, cringey documents, a cringey interview, But you

436
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 1: found yourself in a lot of places with people that

437
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: seemed to not know you were going there with your questions.

438
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: Did you find that to be the case? Yeah, And

439
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: I think because of the way we did the film.

440
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: You know, it was just so lucy. It was just

441
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 1: Lucy and I that were doing the filming, and we

442
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: were the ones that were, you know, traveling around the

443
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 1: world as well. But we have these small, tiny cameras,

444
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: you know, we're shooting on tiny little handy you know,

445
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: sort of DSLR type cameras, and I don't think the

446
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 1: people that were interviewing took us very seriously, and I

447
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: think that let their guard down in a big way

448
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: and it actually helped to open up the interviews. So,

449
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: whether that be speaking to some of the people in

450
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: these in these ocean organizations or to the European Commissioner

451
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: of Fisheries in the Environment for Europe and the European

452
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: Union government. Somehow we snuck in and and asked those honestly,

453
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: very straightforward questions. We weren't trying to do a gotcha thing,

454
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 1: we weren't trying to be confrontation or aggressive, very very

455
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: simple questions and it was amazing to see the lengths

456
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: that some of them would go to to you know

457
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: avoid you know, kind of like speaking to politicians you know,

458
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: there's always a way to weave around it, and so

459
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: you know, yes, we persisted a little bit and just

460
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: kept on bringing it back, and that's that's when it

461
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: really came across that they didn't want to talk about

462
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: something or they really didn't know what they were talking about,

463
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: and that's what sort of led to it. Let's take

464
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: a break. We'll be right back after these fine words.

465
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: Did you ever feel like your life was in danger? Yeah,

466
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: this is a question. This question comes up a lot,

467
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: and I think I was thinking, by the way, before

468
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: you answer it, I just want to say Donald, I

469
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: had that exact thought when I was thinking today, we're

470
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: knowing you, we're going to see you, I was thinking, like,

471
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: what do I want to ask him? Obviously I don't

472
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: want to try and ask him some questions that he

473
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: hasn't been asked, because I know you've been doing You've

474
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: had a ton of interviews and pressed after this. But

475
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: that kept coming up in my mind too, because not

476
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: only do you seem like you could be in danger

477
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: a few times in documentary, but this had such a

478
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: big impact and these are such big players. I sort

479
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: of made a sort of off hand joked to you

480
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: when we were when we were texting each other like

481
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: are you are you safe? So yeah, I agree with

482
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: Donald's question. Do you ever feel at the time when

483
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: you're making it end now that you're that you're in

484
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: any danger? Well, hindsight is twenty twenty, and I think

485
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: a lot of the time, it wasn't until we'd left

486
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: a scenario or a country that we looked back and

487
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: looked to our footage and and kind of wondered whether

488
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: what we were doing was actually quite safe. And and

489
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: that's when we realized the danger of it. So sometimes

490
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: when you're in the moment um, I guess you guys,

491
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: you know, when you're when you're on the set, you're filming,

492
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: you're just worried. You're just concerned about telling the story,

493
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: exploring the subject, and getting the footage. And it's only

494
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: when you think back you realize the danger you put

495
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: yourself into get those shots. Yeah, but we're not. We're

496
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: not pissing off billion dollars industries that would that would

497
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: love that would love you to quote go away. Yeah, true, true. Yeah.

498
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: So there's there's some countries I've been told I appreciate

499
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: be going back to um. You know what, Look, we

500
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: were dealing with some pretty serious issues in from from

501
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: a very very large global industry with a lot of

502
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: connections to government and lobbying power. When we're in Thailand,

503
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: for example, we were we were trying to uncover the

504
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: human rights violations that are happening there, the slavery, the

505
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: force labor, and you know, for us when we were

506
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: going there, kind of sounds self for grandizing to think that, hey,

507
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: we were the ones that were that were in danger,

508
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: when really, like we we were trying to tell the

509
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: stories of people whose lives were actually in danger for

510
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: decades or years at sea, not being able to return home,

511
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: being being thrown with boiling water, porn all over them,

512
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: threatened with iron bars, guns thrown overboard. We were trying,

513
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: we were making sure it was trying to be about them,

514
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: but simultaneously, you know, when you're in that scenario, um,

515
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, our translator was basically saying in the car

516
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: when we were trying to film him, Hey, don't feel

517
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: my face because I could be hunted down for helping you.

518
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's when it suddenly became real for us.

519
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: And that was on the way to do those interviews

520
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: in it and it kind of We went there with

521
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: the intention, I think, to have like a two or

522
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: three week trip to try and capture everything, and it

523
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: ended up being like just a couple of days because

524
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: we had to just cool everything off and just come

525
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: back home m because of the risks. So what about

526
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: post your success, because you know, I feel like, also

527
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: this blew up so big that you know, everyone in

528
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: the in the world weighed in on your documentary and

529
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: we can talk about some of the some of the

530
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: criticism of it, because anytime anything gets huge, people have

531
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: a lot to say. But that's just in a normal

532
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: documentary or a film, like making a big proclamation about

533
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: a very, very wealthy industry. And I just wondered if

534
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: again you ever you felt since the success that you

535
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: that you've been in danger. Yeah. I do feel like

536
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: both myself and Lucy are in danger perhaps in the

537
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: near future when we go out and start filming again

538
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: in some of these locations, because now we're well known.

539
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: You gotta do like bot right, they got your pick

540
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure they got both of yours picks up. Like

541
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: did you ever see Romance in the Stone when Danny

542
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: DeVito is into at the precinct in like Colombia and

543
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: his pictures up on the wall. Her you need you

544
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: need to hire a fucking bow rats makeup guy, bro

545
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: and just go. I know, maybe I should go. My

546
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: dad looks a bit like borat his Iranian I should

547
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: probably like just start dressing up like him because everybody

548
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: knows your face now. Yeah, so so yeah, that's a good,

549
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: good idea. Maybe maybe my next film will be inspired

550
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: by Sasha Baron Cohen. Listen. One of the biggest things

551
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: for me, I saw Blackfish, and I loved When I

552
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: was a kid, going to Sea Roll was so exciting.

553
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: I loved Sea Roll. We had a Scrubs episode with

554
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: Sea World in it, you know, we we didn't know.

555
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: I was in someplace in Mexico where you can swim

556
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: with dolphins. I love dolphins. I thought it was the

557
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: coolest thing ever. I just didn't know. And then I

558
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: saw Blackfish and it was one hundred and eighty degrees

559
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: epiphany for me. Like I had no idea Fox Sea

560
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: World keeping these giant creatures in a in basically a

561
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: performance enforced performance mode in tiny tanks. I felt like this,

562
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 1: and I think Donald did too, that this was that

563
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: way about eating fish and I had already given up

564
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: eating eating animals land animals for the most part, because

565
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you know what, I don't want

566
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: to be a part of this anymore for all the

567
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: obvious reasons. And at least I'll have fish. I like fish.

568
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: And then I watched your documentary and I'm like, this, mofo,

569
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: Now I can't eat fish. And really, one of the

570
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: most one of the things that really got me was

571
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: this whole thing a byecatch, because I didn't realize I

572
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: had no idea, like the blackfish story. I had no

573
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: idea they were keeping orcas in a minuscule tank and

574
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: that they were depressed and they were pulling their babies

575
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: away from of them. And now you say, I'm just

576
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: reading here through over three hundred thousand whales and dolphins

577
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: are killed every year correct as a result of bycatch.

578
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: That is to say, these giant fishing trawlers are pulling

579
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: enormous the biggest nets you can imagine, and in doing so,

580
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: whilst getting the fish that they want to sell, they're

581
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: taking up approximately three hundred thousand whales and dolphins. Additionally,

582
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: a thousand sea turtles are caused by plastics. Sorry so

583
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: so what going go into the numbers and then and then,

584
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: And this was a real big thing for me because

585
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: I just assumed naively, like everyone does. Something says dolphins safe,

586
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, cool, I can eat that. Yeah.

587
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: So so one of the best estimates that has been

588
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: around for a while is that three hundred thousand dolphins, whales,

589
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: and pulpouses are killed in fishing gear every year. Now,

590
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: I spoke to another person from the UK who believes

591
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: that just in Europe it could be in the region

592
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: of a million commando dolphins are killed in fishing year.

593
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: We just don't know. It could be. I mean, we

594
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: could come out with another documentary another few years and

595
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: it could be like, you know, three million a year.

596
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: The point is, we just don't know. Because it's so

597
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: far out sea, there's no interest, there's no there's no

598
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: there's no incentive for a fisherman to report the dolphins

599
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: that he's killed. He's only going to get punished for it.

600
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: And so it continues to happen. And in fact, many

601
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: of the dolphins and whales that wash up on our

602
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: coasts are actually the dead dolphins that died in those

603
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: nets that have been discarded and for every one that

604
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: washes up, there's about another ten that sink at sea,

605
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: and so we never get a true picture of what

606
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: actually happens when it comes to turtles. A global study

607
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: estimated a you know, conservative number, but about a thousand

608
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 1: turtles die from from plastic consumption. Now when you compare

609
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: that to the impact of fishing by catch. In the film,

610
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: we mentioned a fact that's two hundred and fifty thousand

611
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: sea tutles die every year, just US fisheries. Now, since then,

612
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: since the film's come out, the group behind that that

613
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: number actually said, hey, we made a mistake. It was

614
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: just it wasn't US numbers, it was it was global.

615
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: We'd a little bit more digging and found it a

616
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: more recent number and found it it's actually more in

617
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: the region of five hundred thousand sea titles every year

618
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: killed in fishing gear. So this is by far the

619
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: biggest threat. It's not see you know that that video

620
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: that went viral years ago, that plastic straw up the

621
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: nose of its title, And now, look, plastic consumed. Plastic

622
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: is important that we tackle. I'm not I'm not trying

623
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: to share on it or anything, but we need to

624
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: start addressing the big picture, It's like, if we had

625
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: a ship that was sinking and we've got a massive

626
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: hole at the bottom called the fishing industry and bikecatch,

627
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: we should be clogging that one up before we use

628
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: teaspoons to flick water out the other side of the boat.

629
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: And that's what really like plastic straws is to me.

630
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: So so yes, it's a huge impact on wildlife. That's

631
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: that's the reason why they're going becoming threatened in our

632
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: seas well. At the end of the at the end

633
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: of the documentary, you were saying, like, if we just

634
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: gave the ocean ten years, it would it would regenerate

635
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: itself and stuff like that. How is there such thing like?

636
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: And also there were the people that were in these

637
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: boats that were in pretty much canoes kayaks in the

638
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: middle of the ocean, in the middle of the ocean,

639
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: fishing near these uh near these other giant boats because

640
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: they were hungry fishermen trying to feed well because those

641
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: crews have come in and taken all the fish, and

642
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: those those those guys who were who need fish to

643
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: live were like, can we have some of your fish please?

644
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: How do we get back to that? Though? Like it

645
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: says ten years. How is there a way to stop

646
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: commercial fishing to where there's not hundreds and hundreds and

647
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: hundreds and thousands of boats out there just raking the sea,

648
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: uh and and and and killing it. Can we how

649
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: do we get back to that? Because the solution can't

650
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 1: be just stop eating fish, because not everybody's gonna do that, right,

651
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: not only everyone can, I mean Ali, one of the

652
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: criticisms you got was like, hey, this is this is

653
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: not a luxury some people can try to do giving

654
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,479
Speaker 1: up fish. This is their only source of food in

655
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: some parts of the world. Right. Isn't that correct that

656
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: you got that critique? Yes, so there's there's a few

657
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: questions there. So so sorry, We're sorry, We're so we're

658
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: so excited to have you. We have or like just

659
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: like firing questions at you. But we are very interesting.

660
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: I love it, no, absolutely, as in my passion. I'm

661
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: happy too. So so when it comes to what we can,

662
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: like do ocean ecosystems bounce back, they absolutely do. You

663
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: just gotta give them time. You just got to leave

664
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: them alone. Essentially, the best thing we can do is

665
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: really just leave the oceans alone. And when it comes

666
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: to the ten year mark. We've got a petition that

667
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: says that we want to try and um put it,

668
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: protect thirty percent of our oceans from industrial fishing by

669
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: the year twenty thirty. And that's going to create a

670
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: huge buffer for marine life to come back. And and

671
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: so when it comes to those those people around the

672
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: world who are dependent on fish, who truly do rely

673
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: on fish for sustenance, the biggest threat to those communities,

674
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: whether they be in Africa or in Southeast Asia or

675
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: wherever they are, usually the biggest threat to them actually

676
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: putting food on their on their dinner tables is the

677
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: industrial fishing fleets that usually coming from Europe or Asia

678
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: and basically stealing all the fish. Now taken to an

679
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: it's extreme that that's what happened in Somalia which led

680
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: to the Somalia piracy issue. Now there were other political issues,

681
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: the issues that were happening at the same time, but

682
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: the illegal fishing which was really sort of like the

683
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: catalyst which which brought about the Somalian piracy. They were

684
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: all fishermen before they resorted to commandering boats with old

685
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: AK forty sevens. And one one fact that often gets

686
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: misquoted as a as a way to critique. To critique

687
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: the film is a number that came out. I think

688
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: it might be in the FAO that said three billion

689
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: people worldwide rely on fish too as their for nutrition.

690
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: Now that's not what the actual quote said. It said

691
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: that three billion people get a portion of their animal

692
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: protein from fish. I think it's usually around the twenty

693
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: percent mark. Now that's your that's your your animal protein

694
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: or your overall protein. Now, for example, in India, where

695
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: the animal protein consumption is low, let's say it's some

696
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: dairy or some fish, you could say that fish comprises

697
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: maybe eighty percent of their animal protein. That's misleading. It

698
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: makes me think that they entirely rely on it to

699
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: feed themselves. It's a little bit more complicated than that now,

700
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: but people do rely on it. But for the vast

701
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: majority of people, you're going to be fine if you

702
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: don't eat If you don't eat fish, and shifting to

703
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: plant based options are often cheaper, especially in Europe. I mean,

704
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: fish is pretty much a luxury creating, like a salmon

705
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: or you know, lots of different species of fish. They

706
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: tend to be a luxury item. It's not something that's

707
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: you're absolutely depending on and how do we stop these

708
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands or millions of fishing vessels at sea.

709
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty six or seven, there was a global

710
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: moratorium on industrial whaling. What happened was in the years

711
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: leading up to it, it was like the birth of

712
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: the environmental movement. People were going out to see with

713
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: cameras and documenting the industrial whaling and how bad it was.

714
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: That put pressure from governments to change, from people rising

715
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: up and saying, hey, we need we recognize whaling has

716
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: played an important part in our culture, in an economy

717
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: for hundreds of years, but now it's times it comes

718
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: to an end. We've we've we've wacked these populations so much.

719
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: We can do an international moratorium on industrial fishing, all

720
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: heavy gear fishing technology. We can do that in the

721
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: next few years. If this film continues to rise up

722
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 1: that pressure. There's no difference really. I mean sure, fishing

723
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: industry is huge today, but the whaling industry used to

724
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: be huge. It's one of the first international trades was

725
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: the whaling industry. Is what lit our homes with whale

726
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: oil and stuff like that. So we need government pressure

727
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: as well as like grassroes up in personal Actually, yeah,

728
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: do you think that. I mean, that would be the best,

729
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: greatest outcome that could come out of the difference you've made,

730
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: is you know, it's one thing that I am sure

731
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: Donald and I are not the only ones who made

732
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: such an impact on it. It It goes without saying, because

733
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: it's become such a huge success. What do people let

734
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: you fire it up? Like me? What can we do?

735
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we can sign your petition, so one

736
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: of them, you're right, is the petition, you know, And

737
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: so far we've had six hundred and fifty thousand signatures

738
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: on our petition in the last month or two, which

739
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: is huge, and we're going to be taking those signatures

740
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: to the G seven summit next month. I think Joe

741
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: Biden's coming down as well as other leaders from around

742
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: the world. We're going to present them to those leaders

743
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: to show that people will have desperate to be heard

744
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: on this issue. We want protection of our seas, and

745
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: Joe Biden came out and said that he's going to

746
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: try and he's pledging to conserve thirty percent of the

747
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: US land and seas by the year twenty thirty, which

748
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: sounds great. However, when you've look into the fine print

749
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: of the pledge, you realized actually twenty six percent of

750
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: the US waters are already part of a marine protected zone,

751
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: so this would only mean a four percent increase over

752
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: the next ten years. And the problem with marine protected

753
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: zones is they don't actually mean anything unless you have

754
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: a no take zone, it doesn't mean anything. It's like

755
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: having turning the Amazon rainforest into a protected area but

756
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: still allowing logging and forest fires. It's literally like that.

757
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: So we need to put pressure on governments to create

758
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: no take zones. It's the only thing that matters when

759
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: it comes to protecting the sea. And when it comes

760
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: to the support we've had from Asia. I'm getting messages

761
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: every day from people from who grew up in fishing

762
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: villages in rural Japan how eating fish was was, you know,

763
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: just part of their upbringing. Dates every day and now

764
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: they're not, and now they're they're actually they never realized

765
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: the impact fishing was having on the oceans. And the

766
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: support from Asia has been huge. It's it's been incredible

767
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: to hear those stories that one town with the with

768
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: the with the whale massacres that was also featured in

769
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: The Cove, that documentary The Cove, which is another documentary.

770
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: If you're as interested in this as Donald and I are,

771
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: I recommend watching The cove Um. But um, like, oh gosh,

772
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: that's one of the places where I really thought you

773
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: were going to get killed when you were filming those guys.

774
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: And I wonder, like, Okay, I'm sorry for being so

775
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: naive on this, but surely there's Japanese people that must

776
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: be so livid about this too, right, I mean, we

777
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: don't have any power over Japan, but the Japanese people,

778
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 1: and doll, how is this still so popular there? This

779
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: this brutal whaling that goes on. Well, actually a lot

780
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: of people in Japan just don't know what happens. It's

781
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: as simple as that the government don't publicize it. And

782
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: the thing is that there's a lot of there's cultural differences,

783
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: and there's political pressure. There's a lot of nationalists in

784
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: that region of Taiji, and they get very defensive when

785
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: a lot of foreign activists, like we would I mean,

786
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: if American if American soil had like always Japanese activists

787
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: saying you couldn't do something, you know, you'd have naturalists

788
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: come up and try to fight them off. And but yeah,

789
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: unfortunately that has distracted from it. But people just often,

790
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,959
Speaker 1: I mean, just like this film is shown like people

791
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: just weren't aware of the problem even within Japan, that

792
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: dolphins and whales being killed in the same way that

793
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: people in France have not been aware that in just

794
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: a small town in the west on the western south

795
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: coast of France, ten thousand dolphins are being killed in

796
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: just a season of sea bass fishing. Right, just people

797
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: are just unaware of this no matter where you are,

798
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: whether you're from the United States, France, Japan, it's all

799
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: the same. Like I feel like if people were just

800
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: to even if you don't give a crap about fish,

801
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: let's say you don't give two ships about fish whatever,

802
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: if they could just understand that if the ocean dies,

803
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: we all die, all of us die, then maybe you know,

804
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: I just I just don't understand. There's so many warning

805
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: signs and so many things that are that are there

806
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: that you know that we should be listening to, and

807
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: we're not. And I don't understand how companies could be like,

808
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: my money is my money. I'm gonna grow all of

809
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: this money i possibly can, and once everybody dies, I'm

810
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: gonna die with mine. It's like I'm gonna die with

811
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: my money. You can't take that ship. You can't take

812
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: it with you. Write that down. Hey the Egyptian, don't

813
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: think think about it. The Egyptians tried to take it

814
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: with them, and what did they do? They got wrong.

815
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: We don't know. That's what they might be in heaven

816
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: with their goats. We don't know. I'm telling you right now,

817
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: tootin common all of these, all of these do you

818
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: make a face, Daniel? What's wrong? They were buried with

819
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: their animals, weren't they? Were they with theirs? They were

820
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: buried with gold and their favorite animals. Am I wrong? Okay?

821
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: Guess guess what's not in their tombs? Their gold? It's gone.

822
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. We'll be right back after these

823
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: fine words. One of the things I thought was interesting

824
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: when you got critique because you said the oceans will

825
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: be empty by twenty forty eight. There was a big pushback,

826
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: but it seemed to me the tenor of the pushback

827
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: was like, no, they won't, it'll be twenty seventy. There

828
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: was a lot of like, that's your fucking being crazy

829
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: twenty forty eight, and there was like, no, no, it'll be,

830
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: it'll be twenty one hundred or whatever, but it'll still like,

831
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: but everyone agrees that we're on a trajectory to emptying

832
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: the ocean, right, Yeah, it's it's it's it's I mean,

833
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of pathetic. It's like it's like arguing about

834
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: like who's going to jump off a cliff bus, Like

835
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: it just doesn't matter. Point point is our oceans are emptying,

836
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: And yeah, you're right. It's like the study that we

837
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: were sighting in the film, and we were careful to

838
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: make sure we sighted it well, was that, according to

839
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: the study, if fishing trends continue the way they have

840
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: been by the twenty forty eight, the oceans we virtually

841
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: empty of fish. Now that doesn't mean there's not going

842
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: to be a single fish left. It just means they've

843
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: got to get to the point where they're so collapsed

844
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: that it's just not there's just not feasible anymore to

845
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: be catching fish. And that study was from two thousand

846
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: and six, and people have said that the that the

847
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: paper was retracted. It never was. It's been cited like

848
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: three thousand, three hundred times or something ridiculous, and the

849
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: original author, I think more recently looked back at the

850
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: fish populations and found that many of the species were

851
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: actually in a worse steak than they than they were

852
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: when he did the original paper, And the United Nations

853
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: put out a report just like last year and said that, yeah,

854
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: I mean if if basically by twenty fifty most typical

855
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: fish stocks will be completely collapsed. So it's crazy, I mean,

856
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: And the main point is, who cares whether it's twenty

857
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: fifty eight, twenty sixty eight, twenty seventy eight, it doesn't matter.

858
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: We're all it's going in the wrong direction. And one

859
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: of the main critics of that paper and of us

860
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: has been a guy called ray Hillborn And according to

861
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: a Green Piece article, I don't know it's for sure,

862
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: but according to a Green Piece article, he was paid

863
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: to like three point five million dollars from the fishing

864
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: industry to do his fishing studies and never disclosed it

865
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: for years until more recently, and basically another another example

866
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: of a fishery scientist getting paid by the industry itself

867
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: to defend it and be an overfishing denier. Well, yeah,

868
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean that that's crazy to me. That's that's the

869
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: craziest thing ever. Like we know, global warming is happening.

870
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I should say climate change is happening. We

871
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: know this is happening, and we know that we are

872
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: part of the reason why this is happening, a big

873
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: part of it. And yet still we're like, I'm still

874
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: gonna burn coal, I'm still gonna burn gas, I'm still

875
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: gonna overfish the sea, you know what I mean. And

876
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: it's like, because I'm trying to get minds and I

877
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: feel like that's what you know. America is great for

878
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: one of those for that reason alone. You have the

879
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: freedom to go out and make it happen for yourself.

880
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: But at some point we got to look at what

881
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: we're doing to each other, and we're not looking out.

882
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: I mean we are, but we're like, I don't give

883
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: a shit. It's fucking hilarious to me, and it's scary. Also,

884
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: it's like, what my kids are gonna have to go

885
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: through when they're my age. If they're by twenty we

886
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: said twenty twenty eight, they'll be like thirty five, thirty

887
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: six years old by that time. Dude. Yeah, well, holy shit.

888
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Like I've got I've

889
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: not since I've got a one year old baby, he

890
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: was born during the pandemic, and it was like post production.

891
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: It was kind of crazy, but I worked out that.

892
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: So I'm twenty seven now I realized that he will

893
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: be twenty seven exactly twenty forty eight. So it's kind

894
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: of brought it home for me as well. Like and often,

895
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: there's something called the economics of extinction, and there's there's

896
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: actually a benefit for those involved in fishing for species

897
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: to become more and more scarce because it drives up

898
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: profit in the same way that things anything that's scarce

899
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: becomes profitable. That's why bluefin tuna is getting upside three

900
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: million dollars for a fish in Japan is because that's

901
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: a rad I want to talk about. We won't keep

902
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: you too much longer. I want to talk about a

903
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: few things in the supermarket that really landed with me.

904
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: By the way, Joelle has just chimed in that, yes,

905
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: they were buried with their animals, including lions, cats, and dogs.

906
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: It doesn't mention aren't lions, aren't lions cats? Yes, But

907
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: I also gets funnier to say goats. So I said goats,

908
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: I pictured a goat with like a golden collar. Well,

909
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: they left the goat's carcass. They just took the golden collars.

910
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think anyone who robbed the sermons

911
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: took the goat bones. Um, maybe you should make a

912
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: documentary about this, Alie. Now, a few things that stood

913
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: out to me in the supermarket that I didn't know

914
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: all right. First of all, salmon is no longer pink.

915
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: That's all die pretty much. Yeah, farm salmon gets given farms,

916
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: so specifically, farm salmon doesn't turn that color. And you

917
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: showed in the documentary a color wheel like you'd see

918
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: for paint chips in your house, and and the particular

919
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: distributor gets to choose how pink they want their fish

920
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: to look. Yeah, I mean if you if you go

921
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: to Whole Foods right now or tomorrow or whatever, like

922
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: you'll see on the back of farm salmon. Even other

923
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: things I think, like shrimp as well, they feed them

924
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: a die in it. They usually have to label what

925
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: they do, and most yeah, farm salmon would probably be

926
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: gray because they're swimming in circles. These are fish that

927
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: are built to like swim up waterfalls forty miles a day,

928
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: and they're just swimming in circles in their own filth,

929
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: and their flesh just literally turns gray. So they have

930
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: to dye the salmon it's color, it's pinkish orange color

931
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: in order for it to be palatable and for them

932
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: to do their marketing adverts for So yeah, you know

933
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: what made me right then and there. That was the

934
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: point where I was like, oh, I'm not eating it.

935
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: When he was like they're swimming around, they'd like these

936
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: things got clamidia. The fish guy, I was like, well,

937
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: you know what, yep, listen. One thing, One thing I

938
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: don't want is chlamydia on my fish um. Now. Another

939
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: thing I don't want to many on anything, but especially

940
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: my fish. Another thing I think it was your doc,

941
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: but I've watched like so many you send me down

942
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: a wormhole of these docks. I've watched like nine hundred

943
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: of them. But I forgot some of the things that

944
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: I forgot if it's you or somebody else, but that

945
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: the fish we're seeing in the tent, in the in

946
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: the on the ice and the supermarket is at least

947
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: a week old. I mean at least a week old.

948
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean when you're when you're talking about the I

949
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: mean think about boat that's like thousand miles at seeing

950
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: you really think it's going to get to you in

951
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: a day. In my mind, up to forty fucking six

952
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: years old, I did. I honestly thought. I especially thought

953
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 1: if I'm going to a high end market like Whole Foods,

954
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: like look how fresh that is? And then you said that,

955
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's a week old. That's not

956
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: what I picked it. I mean, hey, hey, Zach, that's

957
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: that's optimistic. I mean, that's the bluefinchina that's about twenty

958
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: years old in a freezer somewhere right now. Like it's

959
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: literally you're talking about really old fish that died decades ago.

960
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: It's being stopped up. Um, but yeah, weeks months? Uh yeah, man. Okay,

961
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: Now my last question, and it's probably one of the

962
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: bigges ones in the documentary, and we can finish on

963
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: this because I'm sure you have better things to do,

964
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: like go back to watching Garden State. But the thing

965
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: that sort of fooled us all was this idea of

966
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: something being dolphins safe. Um, it's the documentary, if you

967
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,959
Speaker 1: haven't seen it shows that that that's not true. There's

968
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: no way, there's no possible way to police these boats.

969
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: We don't there's no not nearly enough manpower. It all

970
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: happens with sillion miles from shore. Um Zach. They try,

971
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: they try, It's just that some of these people are

972
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: easily bought or quickly killed. So just just touch on

973
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: that real quickly ality, because there's plenty people who are

974
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: listening to this, going, guys, great, that's cool. He sounds cool.

975
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to stop eating fish. I eat dolphins

976
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: safe everything. Well, at least know that that's bullshit, which

977
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 1: Ali will now tell you why. Yeah, I mean, dolphins

978
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: Safe Tuna is for me, and my opinion is complete bullshit. Basically,

979
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: they can't guarantee that Dolphinsafe Tuna is in fact dolphins safe.

980
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: And I heard it from the horse's mouth. I mean,

981
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: I speared to the guy who basically runs the group,

982
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, you can't guarantee it. Who knows

983
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: what happens when these ships are out at sea. You

984
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: could send observers to be on board and make sure

985
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: they're doing everything right, but then they could be bribed.

986
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, the label doesn't guarantee anything. And yet we

987
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't stand for this when it came to anything else.

988
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: If it was like, hey, your your produce, Hey guess

989
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: what it's. It's maybe organic or maybe not GMO. You know,

990
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: you want one hundred percent guarantee, and yet with Dolphin

991
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: Safe Tuna, there's no guarantee for it. And I believe

992
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: it's fraud and I don't think it's going to be

993
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, staying on supermarket shelves much longer. I think

994
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: a time for it to change his name. The added

995
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: thing was that this label became a thing that the

996
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: companies would license. So it's a bit of a scam, right,

997
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: they're paying, they're paying for something that can't be regular. Well,

998
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: when it comes to the MSc label, which is like

999
00:50:55,080 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: the gold standard sustainable certifier of the world's fisheries, Yeah,

1000
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: they get something like eighty percent or more of their

1001
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: income from licensing their logo and seafood products. So there's

1002
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: a conflict of interest there. And there are so many

1003
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: instances of fishery that they're labeling is sustainable as you know,

1004
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: one of the best practices in the world, and you

1005
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: look into it and actually they're still wiping out sharks

1006
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: and titles and any other you know, swordfish, other other

1007
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: kinds of species that are threatened in our seas and

1008
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: so as we explore in the film is like these

1009
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: these these labels basically have become this huge marketing phrase

1010
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: and don't really have any meaning meaning of it at all,

1011
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: and it's made us all really gullible. Like the word

1012
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: sustainable is something that's made us all extremely gullible. Whenever

1013
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: we see in the supermarket, we feel good about it,

1014
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: we feel guilt free, and we've we've brought into it.

1015
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 1: But but no, this doesn't have any meanings a similar thing. Again,

1016
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: is this your doc or not? Forgive me because I've

1017
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: literally watched like ten more you inspired me to go

1018
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole. But the thing about the recycling

1019
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: icon with the number in the middle, no, that wasn't.

1020
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: I didn't tell you that. But that's a whole I

1021
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: know a little So it reminds me a little bit.

1022
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: So the recycling arrow thing icon that we see on

1023
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: all plastics, right, So the plastics industry campaigned to have

1024
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: that beyond every piece of plastic, which leads the average

1025
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: person myself to think, oh, all of this is recyclable.

1026
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: That's bullshit. Look inside the numbers. Only numbers one, two,

1027
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: and I think five are actually truly recyclable. The industry

1028
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: successfully lobbied to have that sort of arrow icon on

1029
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: all plastics, leading people like me to think that everything

1030
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: I was putting in the recycling is recycling. Well, next

1031
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: time you're putting something recycling, look at the number. If

1032
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: it's not one, two or five, it's not even recyclable.

1033
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: And here's another thing about that. No, and this is

1034
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: kind of outside of my expertise, but basically everything is recyclable.

1035
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: It's just that there's a cost to recycling it. And

1036
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: so recycling warehouses or whatever you'd call it, only gonna

1037
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: First of all, they have to sort through it. They

1038
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: have to count all those numbers. And what happened. I

1039
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: heard a guy in Hong Kong who's involved in this

1040
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: plastic issue. He says, there's been all these new plastic

1041
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: straws come out that have been made out of like cornstarch. Right,

1042
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: they're apparently like degradable or compostible. He says, what the

1043
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: thing is when you put that in a regular bin,

1044
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: it's not going to compost. And what happens is if

1045
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: if the guy at the recycling plant who looks at

1046
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: plastical ed a, he can tell you what's what's compostible

1047
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: and what's just regular plastic. If he sees some compostible

1048
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: ones in the other plastic, he will just throw the

1049
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: whole bag to landfill. So it's like the whole plastic

1050
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 1: trash thing is the whole other sort of cattle of fish.

1051
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: Excuse the pun, but it needs its own researching as well.

1052
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. We've all been duped by labels everywhere. Yeah,

1053
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: I find that I got so mad when I watched

1054
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: your documentary, feeling like on so many things, but really

1055
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: feeling like we've been duped. We've been duped by being

1056
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: told someone's dart, something's dolphin saved. We've been duped by saying, oh,

1057
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: this is recyclable, and it all comes from giant entities

1058
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: with zillions of darts are getting their way pretty much. Yeah,

1059
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: And honestly, I think that's why we've seen such levels

1060
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: of environmental decline despite the overwhelming rise in awareness of

1061
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: these things. You know, we're living in a time where

1062
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: most people have never cared more about the environment because

1063
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: we've we all have our basic well not we all have,

1064
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: but like a lot of us have our basic needs maps,

1065
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: so now we can start thinking beyond that. And yet

1066
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 1: we're being constantly duped, and our concern is being redirected

1067
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: back into those industries that are actually the destroyers of

1068
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: those things that we care about. And that's why I say,

1069
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: you know, since since like the last thirty years or

1070
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: or more, we've we've we've we've never seen more emphasis

1071
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: on sustainable fishing and eco conscious, eco labels and sustainability

1072
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: and all those things. And yet in the last thirty

1073
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: forty years we've seen the most levels of decline, and

1074
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: I believe part of the reason for that is that

1075
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: we're all being duped by these genius marketing agencies behind

1076
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: these companies. Well, I think you really make an indifference.

1077
00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: Um you another documentary documentarians are making difference. You certainly

1078
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: made a giant and I just think you're an inspiration man.

1079
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: You're you were twenty two when you started this and

1080
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: you're twenty seven now. I mean, listen, if you're listening

1081
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: to this, look how what a difference you can make

1082
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: if you put your mind to something. I mean, I

1083
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: just think you're there's so many people want to make

1084
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: a difference in the world, and you really are doing that.

1085
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you.

1086
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: It's just the fact that you didn't you took you

1087
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: took a camera, a small little camera, you and your

1088
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: You and your wife. She's your wife, right, yeah. So

1089
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: we started off just as friends and by the end

1090
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: of it we you know, I propose now we have

1091
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: a kid love story. Telling you right now in your

1092
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: face will do that shit a gun in your face,

1093
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: will do that shit out of nowhere. Baby, you know

1094
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: what I was together, You can We have gone through

1095
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: some stuff, that's true, right, I can't. I can't imagine

1096
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: being with anyone else. Right, Well, let's make a baby exactly.

1097
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: She's in the other room right now. I mean, I

1098
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: don't know what when people are listening to this, but

1099
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: it's it's late here in the UK, and she would

1100
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: have loved to be on and I think it's funny things.

1101
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: I think you should tell her when she wakes up

1102
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: that we were very offended that she slept through the interview.

1103
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: We will wrap it up, but tell everyone where they

1104
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: go if they want to sign your petition. So I

1105
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 1: think the best place to direct people is either our

1106
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: website C spiracy or our social media on Instagram. Is

1107
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: the best place is at c spiracy and all the

1108
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: links are there. To our petition. It's you know, we'd

1109
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: love to get this to a million signatures. I think

1110
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: that'd be incredible to be able to like hand that

1111
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: off to these worldly there's hey, look, they go one

1112
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: million boom and we're currently just three hundred and fifty

1113
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: thousand off of that. So we just really want to

1114
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: like just get that extra mind. Everybody, go sign links,

1115
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: go sign a petition, and listen. We are not prositizing.

1116
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: I'm brand new to this topic. Don't think I'm I'm

1117
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 1: on high and mighty telling you to stop eating fish.

1118
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: But I do think you should watch this documentary at

1119
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: the very least because you know there will be I

1120
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: guarantee you there will be things in this documentary that

1121
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: you didn't know that open your eyes to what you're

1122
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: putting in your you and your family's uh stomachs, right Donald, Yeah,

1123
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: your yeah, I agree. Listen, we'd know that we can't

1124
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: convince people to do something that they don't want to do,

1125
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: but at least go out and get some information before

1126
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: you say, before you say that's not for me or

1127
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: that's for me, don't don't take dick right, You know

1128
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: that too? He yeah, well, and I agree, I agree absolutely,

1129
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: because that's that's the whole place that I came from

1130
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: when making this film, is a place of curiosity and

1131
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: just love for the ocean. And you know, any any

1132
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: move that people can do in their daily lives in

1133
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: that direction of moving towards that plant based diet and

1134
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: avoiding that that the consumption of marine life, that wildlife

1135
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: that's in the ocean, that's gonna be a great thing. Um.

1136
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you're like is where I came from,

1137
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: And if you're like me and you are fascinated by

1138
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: this and want to go down the wormhole. Some others

1139
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: I liked were game changers, Um, what the health? Um? Conspiracy?

1140
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: By the way, Oh, one of the biggest questions I

1141
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: buried the lead. One of the biggest questions I get

1142
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: is how could he not have spelled it conspiracy? Sea? Yeah,

1143
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm so glad, Yeah, because I was like, I was like,

1144
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: everyone was like there was something like on on on,

1145
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: you know, you became so popular. There was like this

1146
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 1: meme that was like fifty percent of people that watched

1147
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: the movie go I'm never eating fish again. Fifty percent

1148
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: of people going, how could he not have called it conspiracy?

1149
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: I know, it was like it went so viral. That mean,

1150
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: it was so viral that we were so happy about

1151
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: it because it gave comedians the opportunity to talk about

1152
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: the film to like millions of followers, and it just

1153
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: it was honestly, it was an an accidental marketing pr

1154
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: genius thing that happened, and I was so glad about it.

1155
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: But see, like the conspiracy thing, so c Spiracy kind

1156
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: of follows on with from from cal Spiracy. The executive

1157
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: producer is Kip Anderson, who produced cal Spiracy with with

1158
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: Keithan Koon And so this is kind of like following

1159
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: that vein of film um and the reason why not conspiracy?

1160
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: We'd be forever trying to spell conspiracy. Imagine why the mouth?

1161
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: Hey have you seen conspiracy? Conspiracy? No conspiracy? Sea? Oh

1162
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,479
Speaker 1: why didn't they just call it c spire? I can't

1163
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: tell you because I promoted you so much because I'm

1164
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: like your publicist. How many people were like, it was

1165
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: right there? How how did he miss it? People are

1166
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: like disappointed, like he's such a talented filmmaker, how could

1167
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: he have missed it? It was right there? No, Yeah,

1168
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I hate to sat but like

1169
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: we genuinely did. We thought about the title years ago,

1170
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: and we just love that c Spiracy was the own thing.

1171
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: And um, well, you're a very gift You're a very

1172
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: gifted filmmaker. And I hope that we get to watch

1173
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: many of your films. I'm sure, um you're gonna do.

1174
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: I think you said in our in our chat that

1175
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: you're going to also make narrative films as well as documentaries.

1176
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: Donald and I are of both of it for hire. Um,

1177
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: if you need. I'm a decent actor, He's a very

1178
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: good he can do draw Well, guys, let's let's let's

1179
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: talk then it'd be it'd be great. I think we'll

1180
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: be coming out to the States hopefully this year. Um,

1181
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: as soon as you know COVID permitting and everything. It'd

1182
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: be great to meet up. Um. But yeah, I'd like

1183
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: to explore narrative films. I got some other documentaries up

1184
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: up my sleeve which are equally explosive and revealing stories.

1185
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: Just be careful for anything on aliens, anything on what

1186
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: about area fifty one? Can you do that now? I

1187
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: mean I can, I can try if if you if

1188
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: if pretty pleased, and maybe I'll didn't know. There are

1189
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: so many way right nowsposing people we want to know

1190
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: about area fifty one and Nail. You know, it's so

1191
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: funny during fifty one there every dude, it's crazy. The

1192
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: aliens came out as like a total real thing during

1193
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: COVID and everyone was so busy they were like not

1194
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: now aliens and no one's talking about it. Did you

1195
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: see the fucking video of the fighter pilot being like

1196
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: seeing that that space cruiser or whatever it was, and

1197
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: he was like, holy shit, lookna go, there's like a genius,

1198
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: like level badass fighter jet pilot with this UFOs sighting

1199
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: and no one's even talking about it because everyone's too

1200
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: out the one what about the guys that were on

1201
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: the battleship and the things hovering over the thing and

1202
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: then dips back into the water and stuff like the

1203
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: government coming came out and said yeah, yeah, yeah, there's

1204
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: UFOs and everyone's like not now, UFOs were busy. I

1205
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: can't believe it. I know humanity has been waiting like

1206
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: like thousands of years for this moment for the Yeah, dude,

1207
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,919
Speaker 1: that's why we need you for drop whatever you're doing.

1208
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: We need you to make a UFO. Do we need

1209
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: to do a UFO doc makeily sitting down with like

1210
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: an alien being. Now listen, this is an uncomfortable, cringing interview,

1211
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: like but why are you here? Yeah, they're like to

1212
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: get your finish, to get what's left of your fish.

1213
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: Oh okayspiracy, Oh my god, ali inspiracy. There listen, no

1214
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: one is making this documentary. It's been proven that there's UFOs,

1215
01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: and we need you to do a sit down with

1216
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:05,439
Speaker 1: the aliens because all right, we'll let you go. Thank

1217
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: you so much, dude, You're so awesome. Thank you for

1218
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: being a fake doctor's real friends. Thank you, thank you,

1219
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: You're amazing, and we'll be back next time with Don't

1220
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: worry those of you who are mad we didn't do

1221
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: anything on Scrubs. We'll be back next week with a

1222
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: full Scrubs episode. What episode You're well? Four twenty one,

1223
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: four twenty one, We'll be back and we'll be doing

1224
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: that one next Tuesday. Thank you so much for listening.

1225
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: We love you all. Donald count us out six seven

1226
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: eight stories about show we made about a bunch of

1227
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: doctor nurses and stories never so yeada around here, a

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01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: yeata around here m hm.