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Speaker 1: From the heart of where innovation, money and power collive

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Speaker 1: in Silicon Valley and beyond. This is Bloomberg Technology with

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Speaker 1: Emily Jay. I'm Emily Changing in San Francisco, and this

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Speaker 1: is Bloomberg Technology. Coming up. In the next hour, President

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Speaker 1: Biden calls Russian President Vladimir Putin a war criminal. This

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Speaker 1: as the atrocities in Ukraine mount and Ukraine's President Zelinski

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Speaker 1: makes a powerful plea to US Congress and Biden himself

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Speaker 1: for more help. We're gonna also take you to the

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Speaker 1: front lines of the other war. Russia is waging a

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Speaker 1: war on information. Plus, I will speak exclusively with Aaron Levy,

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Speaker 1: CEO of Box after the company's investor Day, his thoughts

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Speaker 1: on another kind of war happening here on the home front,

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Speaker 1: and that is the war for talent. In a rapidly

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Speaker 1: evolving work world, the idea of work, of course, has

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Speaker 1: changed a lot in the last two years. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: break down a top work shifting survey and show you

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Speaker 1: how there's no going back to how it used to be. Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: an employee of Russia's state Channel one television interrupted the

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Speaker 1: main broadcast with a protest against putent invasion of Ukraine saying,

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Speaker 1: don't believe the propaganda they're lying to you. This protester

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Speaker 1: was later taken into custody find but released and is

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Speaker 1: now awaiting an additional penalty. I want to talk more

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Speaker 1: about all of this with Joan Donovan, the research director

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Speaker 1: Politics and Public Policy, and that woman Joan was able

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Speaker 1: to release a video of of some more context why

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Speaker 1: released from custody in Russia. Why do you think Putin

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Speaker 1: this new law that was put into practice UM a

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Speaker 1: few days ago, essentially saying that reporting about this quote

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Speaker 1: It's actually propelling a lot of conspiracy theories online where uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, people are saying this has managed dissent. As

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Speaker 1: long as people feel like there's a voice out there

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Speaker 1: from the media itself that they didn't want to be

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Speaker 1: part of this UH war. This information blackout, the digitalizing

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Speaker 1: What does this actually mean for everyday Russian citizens? What

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Speaker 1: but it's not Uh. They can deal with it. Um.

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Speaker 1: What's what's happening is essentially that they still have access

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Speaker 1: so our work is that that work. Joan. We're grateful

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Speaker 1: Joan Donovan, research director at the Harvard Kennedy School Shorenstein Center.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time helping students achieve their dreams. That's the

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Speaker 1: ultimate goal of the new fintech company Moss by re

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Speaker 1: door Dash, I will get feedback on social media from

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Speaker 1: shoppers and drivers who are not happy. Um one insta

435
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Speaker 1: cart shopper posted a picture of an order show they

436
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Speaker 1: delivered fifty one items, got paid seven dollars and not tip.

437
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Speaker 1: Is that representative? No, that's very much not representative. And

438
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Speaker 1: I think you know, fundamentally, shoppers care about their earnings.

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Speaker 1: They really want flexible earnings whenever all they want to,

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Speaker 1: and so our job is to make sure that they

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Speaker 1: have more access to work. So what is representative? What

442
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Speaker 1: is a normal wage for a delivery like that? We're

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Speaker 1: very much in line with kind of industry average for

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Speaker 1: these kinds of jobs. And so that's something that we

445
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Speaker 1: always try to kind of nudge the consumer of like, hey,

446
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Speaker 1: your shopper did a really good job, can can you

447
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Speaker 1: keep a little more? What if they don't though, right,

448
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Speaker 1: I mean that you're leaving it up to the customer.

449
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Speaker 1: We actually and some customers think, well you should build

450
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Speaker 1: this into your price, Well, we actually do, and and

451
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Speaker 1: we make it very transparent to the shopper before they

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Speaker 1: accept an order. What's the order is going to look like,

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Speaker 1: how much we're going to pay them and how much

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Speaker 1: like the consumer is paying them, and so they can

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Speaker 1: decide whether they take an order or whether else they

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Speaker 1: refuse it. And that's the kind of flexibility that our

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Speaker 1: shoppers really value and the kind of transparency that they want.

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Speaker 1: Are you seeing a labor shortage right now and what

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Speaker 1: are you doing to combat that? It's different in different places,

460
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Speaker 1: or demographic of shoppers is completely different from food delivery

461
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: and are right sharing where seven women and half of

462
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Speaker 1: them are moms. And that's because a lot of the

463
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: job at instacost is very different than just being in

464
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Speaker 1: the car with strangers. It's about like going to the

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Speaker 1: store doing a good job of customer service, of really

466
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Speaker 1: picking the right products for the consumer, and we are

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Speaker 1: seeing that being very appealing to women. The instant delivery

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Speaker 1: space or you know, fifteen minute delivery space, is that

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Speaker 1: something that you want to double down on. It's something

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Speaker 1: that we absolutely want to offer because again, we really

471
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Speaker 1: think that our customers want the full range of option.

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Speaker 1: Fiften met delivery is not going to be relevant for everything.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's going to be very relevant on Thursday

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Speaker 1: night when I'm craving chocolate ice cream and I it's

475
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Speaker 1: really an emergency when that happens, So like cooking over me,

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Speaker 1: You've made some strategic acquisitions, as you've mentioned. What about

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Speaker 1: in the rapid delivery space, Joker Gorilla, No, we haven't,

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Speaker 1: and the main reason is because all of these players

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Speaker 1: the ornamentory uh, and so it's not it's not something

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Speaker 1: that's interesting to us because our approach is really build

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Speaker 1: the infrastructure so that our grocers can do uh certain

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Speaker 1: minute delivery or fifte minute delivery, whereas uh, these players

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Speaker 1: are doing it kind of on their own bypassing the grocers.

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Speaker 1: Do you think retailers trust you? Do they trust insta Car?

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Speaker 1: So you know, when I when I took out the job,

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Speaker 1: I was surprised by the strength of our retailer relationships.

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Speaker 1: But there was always this kind of lingering questions that

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Speaker 1: retailers had for me, which was, you know, what are

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Speaker 1: your long term intentions? Are you planning on becoming a

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Speaker 1: retailer at some point? And I had to kind of

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Speaker 1: address that head on and explain to them in great

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Speaker 1: detail why you would make no sense for us to

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Speaker 1: really go in that direction and why we were going

495
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Speaker 1: to be able to build a much bigger company if

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Speaker 1: we just focused on what work Dot you can catch

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Speaker 1: more of my exclusive conversation with instat cart CEO Fiji Semo,

498
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Speaker 1: where we talk about the impact of inflation on food prices,

499
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Speaker 1: her move from Meta and working with Mark Zuckerberg, and

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Speaker 1: her journey from a small fishing town in France to

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Speaker 1: becoming the head of instat Card. All that on the

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Speaker 1: latest episode of Studio one Point Oh. Coming up is

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Speaker 1: the n f T fad Losing Steed, how n f

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Speaker 1: T sales have fallen and what it means for those

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Speaker 1: making a living off them. Next, n f T sales

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Speaker 1: had a breakthrough year, with volume hitting twenty three billion

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Speaker 1: dollars in the last twelve months, but sales are now

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Speaker 1: plunging amid the ongoing sell off and cryptocurrencies. I want

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Speaker 1: to dig into this with our crypto contributor for our

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Speaker 1: Crypto reportion Ali Bostic. So there's a lot of people

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Speaker 1: trying to make money earnings off the n f T industry, Shinali.

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Speaker 1: What does this mean for them? Yeah, there's a few

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Speaker 1: things here, Emily. First, we have to look at just

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Speaker 1: how much the trading has dropped off, and if you

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Speaker 1: take a look at this chart here, there was this

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Speaker 1: humongous boom according to data from n f T GO,

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Speaker 1: and then a significant drop off this year. In January,

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Speaker 1: according to non Fungible dot Com, n FT weekly sales

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Speaker 1: peaked at nearly a billion dollars and now the past

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Speaker 1: week that is less than seventy million dollars, so less

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Speaker 1: than one tenth of the weekly sales we've been seeing

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Speaker 1: In January. You asked what it means for people who

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Speaker 1: are getting paid in this market. So if you're somebody

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Speaker 1: who had moved over this story that we had written

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Speaker 1: about Spotify and musicians earnings going from three hundred dollars

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Speaker 1: to sixty thousand dollars, Remember the price of ethereum from

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Speaker 1: a year ago has also declined significantly. In addition to

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Speaker 1: sales just dropping off, it has recovered a little bit

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Speaker 1: this year, and if you look by market cap it

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Speaker 1: has really held up quite a bit as far as

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Speaker 1: the market goes. But remember this market still is dominant.

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Speaker 1: Did buy a lot of whales, really ten of the

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Speaker 1: buyer's accounting for the market here. So why our n

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Speaker 1: f T s dropping off, I mean, doesn't have anything

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Speaker 1: to do with the macro environment. Yeah, that's a really

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Speaker 1: interesting question, because of course we've seen the volatility and

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Speaker 1: so many of the cryptocurrencies that we track. But if

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Speaker 1: you look at it, I'm going to see a little

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Speaker 1: bit here from investor Lee Drogan because he points out

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Speaker 1: what we were just showing, that idea that traders trading

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Speaker 1: volumes have really fallen off, and what he says is

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Speaker 1: that until the volume and retail investors come back, prices

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Speaker 1: are not going to go up as well. One thing

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Speaker 1: he points to is eight coin and a market that

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Speaker 1: can potentially hold up prices for a few days. Whether

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Speaker 1: that will really start to bring people back only alright,

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Speaker 1: Shinali Bostic, thank you for that update. We're gonna keep

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Speaker 1: following on that one, appreciating as more and more comp

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Speaker 1: these bring employees back to the office, many are saying,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. A brand new survey by Microsoft

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Speaker 1: It's Work Trend Index finds that even more employees are

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Speaker 1: considering quitting their jobs this year then last, and then

553
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Speaker 1: more than half of younger workers are contemplating a job change.

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Speaker 1: For more on this and the future of work, Jared

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Speaker 1: Pitaro Spataro is here, Microsoft's vice president for Modern Work. Jared,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. So why do

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Speaker 1: you think the great resignation is in fact accelerating rather

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Speaker 1: than slowing down. Well, you know, the survey data tells

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Speaker 1: us that we're just not the same people who went

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Speaker 1: home to work in March. Of what's happened over the

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Speaker 1: course of the last two years is that people have

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Speaker 1: changed in really significant ways. In one of those ways

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Speaker 1: is how they think about work. Flexibility has become something

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Speaker 1: that's so important to them that they're telling us that

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Speaker 1: they are willing to give up other things, including a

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Speaker 1: move to a new job, in order to get it.

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Speaker 1: What's the biggest mistake companies are make wriking making right

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Speaker 1: now as they try to get workers to come back. Well,

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Speaker 1: the thing jumped out to me in the survey data.

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Speaker 1: When we asked leaders what they were planning to do

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Speaker 1: in this return to office, over fifty of them told

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Speaker 1: us that they were going to have their employees come

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Speaker 1: back full time, five days a week, no flexibility. And

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Speaker 1: that contrast with over seventy of workers who say that

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Speaker 1: flexibility is something that they treasure, that they want to

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Speaker 1: make sure it is the part that they keep coming

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Speaker 1: out of the pandemic. So we see some tension being

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Speaker 1: set up here that's going to need to be worked

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Speaker 1: out over the coming weeks and months. How do they

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Speaker 1: work that out? I see talk about managers being wedged

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Speaker 1: between the boss and their own teams. That's right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we do think that managers are going to be the

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Speaker 1: key here. You know. The thing that we're findings we

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Speaker 1: go and combine all the data points from the research

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Speaker 1: and get down and do kind of what we call

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Speaker 1: qualitative work, is that the most practical thing you can

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Speaker 1: do is encourage your managers to be working with their

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Speaker 1: employees and talking through what we call individual and team agreements.

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Speaker 1: In other words, Hey, how's flexibility going to play out

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Speaker 1: for you? What does it mean? And can we find

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Speaker 1: a win win here here at Microsoft. We've done that recently.

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Speaker 1: We found that over nine pcent of people who have

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Speaker 1: those conversations said that they were able to reach an

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Speaker 1: agreement that really worked very well for them. So we've

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Speaker 1: got some data that indicates that this can be done.

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Speaker 1: You just have to make sure you take the time

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Speaker 1: to do it. How's the return to work going at

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Speaker 1: Microsoft so far? Well, we are in the process of

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Speaker 1: doing that. We've declared here in the Puget Sound the

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Speaker 1: Seattle area that we'll be heading back to our final

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Speaker 1: stage of flexible work what we call this flexibility stage

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Speaker 1: on March. So this month is a big month for

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Speaker 1: us UM many of our managers, though I've already had

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Speaker 1: those conversations and we feel like, you know, we're set up.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna learn just like everybody else. Though there's a

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Speaker 1: lot to learn here. It's a very dynamic time. Now,

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Speaker 1: there's a big question about the future of emerging technologies

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Speaker 1: in the workplace. A lot of talk about the metaverse. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg meta has one vision. Microsoft is working on

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Speaker 1: products to take companies to the metaverse. Do employees want

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Speaker 1: to work in the metaverse? Well, we asked them that

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Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting when we ask the employees about

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Speaker 1: the metaverse. Of employees that they didn't even know what

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Speaker 1: the metaverse was, but fifty two per cents, so that

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Speaker 1: they were open to this idea of using digital immersive

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Speaker 1: spaces in the metaverse from meetings and team activities in

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Speaker 1: the next year. So we've got this sense that there

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Speaker 1: still is a lot to be figured out in the metaverse.

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Speaker 1: But let's say just a little over half of people

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Speaker 1: are pretty open to being able to use the technology.

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Speaker 1: So as we look over the next year, what do

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Speaker 1: you think the biggest pain points are going to be,

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Speaker 1: Because you know, I talked to a lot of people

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Speaker 1: they don't want to go back or they're reevaluating. Well again,

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Speaker 1: I think it comes back to this idea of employee

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Speaker 1: expectations and comparing those two employer expectations. I think that's

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Speaker 1: going to be where we find the friction. If I

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Speaker 1: just give you a sense of how people who is

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Speaker 1: going to have to compromise the employees are the employers.

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Speaker 1: You know, it depends on the market, and today it's

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Speaker 1: an employees market, we would say, And so I think

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Speaker 1: that employers are gonna learn a lot here um as

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Speaker 1: employee as employees kind of talk about how important flexibility is.

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Speaker 1: And you know, you cited a stat earlier it's fifty

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Speaker 1: two send of gen zs and millennials say that they're

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Speaker 1: willing to move over the next year if they don't

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Speaker 1: get the flexibility they need. So I think that gives

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Speaker 1: you a sense at least for where the employees are

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Speaker 1: in their minds. All right, check it out Microsoft's latest

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Speaker 1: work Trends report. Fascinating stuff that you uncovered. Jared Spitaro

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Speaker 1: of Microsoft, Thanks for joining us, and that does it

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Speaker 1: for this edition of Bloomberg Technology Join us. Tomorrow we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be speaking with Jennifer te Hatta, CEO of Pager Duty,

644
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Speaker 1: along with Kirsten Green, founder of four Runner Ventures, about

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Speaker 1: where she's placing her biggest bets in this market. Plus

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Speaker 1: we listen to today's show on our new Bloomberg Technology podcast. Yes,

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Speaker 1: hope you'll check it out. I'm Emily Jang in San Francisco.

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