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Speaker 1: Welcome to the newest Draft season podcast. I am John Schmult,

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Speaker 1: joined as always by Eric Crocker and Tony Pauline, and

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Speaker 1: don't forget this podcast is presented by Tommy he'll Figure,

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Speaker 1: a PVH brand and an official partner of the New

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Speaker 1: York Football Giants. Depending on when you're listening to this fans,

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Speaker 1: for you, it's probably free agency season because stuff is

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Speaker 1: happening every second here. So we're not gonna mention any

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Speaker 1: of that today. We'll talk about that a little bit

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Speaker 1: next week in in terms of how free agency is

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Speaker 1: going to affect needs and you know, things of that nature.

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Speaker 1: So for us, it is draft season, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: focus today on who are true first round players are

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Speaker 1: in this year's draft, And by that we mean not

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Speaker 1: who we think is gonna go in the first round.

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Speaker 1: It's who we think are true first round players with

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Speaker 1: first round grades, which is never thirty two players. It's

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Speaker 1: always usually in and around twenty, sometimes less than that,

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Speaker 1: sometimes a little bit more. So. I think what you'll

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Speaker 1: see is that there is some consensus between the three

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Speaker 1: of us, but we'll certainly go through the list and

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Speaker 1: and kind of see where we are at. I want

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Speaker 1: to start the top here, and I want to start

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Speaker 1: the topic. I guess the betting markets guys over the

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Speaker 1: past couple of weeks since the combine have kind of

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Speaker 1: put Aidan Hutchinson on top of the most likely player

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Speaker 1: to be picked first overall. I think some of that

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Speaker 1: is because Cam Robinson got franchised by the Jaguars and

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Speaker 1: he's an offensive tackle for them. To me, if Cam

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Speaker 1: Robinson is gonna stop you from picking an offensive tackle,

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Speaker 1: I think your your evaluation needs to change a little bit,

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Speaker 1: at least in my opinion, when you have a guy

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Speaker 1: like Trevor Lawrence. Um, so let's kind of start there.

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Speaker 1: Who do you guys have as your number one prospect?

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Speaker 1: For me, I still think it's an offensive tackle that's

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Speaker 1: gonna go number one. And I'll kind of give my

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Speaker 1: spiel why after you guys go, but Croc, let's start

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Speaker 1: with you. Who who is your like top guy now?

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Speaker 1: Or if you're picking first and you're the Jaguars, would

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Speaker 1: be your first guy off the board? And why Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So first got my board regardless of who's picking that

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Speaker 1: and my big thing is I try to find especially

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Speaker 1: in the top ten top of the draft, Like, what

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Speaker 1: traits does this guy have that I just like, you

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Speaker 1: either have this or you don't. And I think you

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Speaker 1: know with his size, his ability, just one just how

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Speaker 1: he looks right like he when you look at a

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Speaker 1: that they're definitely areas. I feel like he can improve one.

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Speaker 1: But just in the sense of the guy, I feel

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Speaker 1: more comfortable with taking at number one, especially if I'm

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Speaker 1: what do you think? Well, I mean, what you're asking

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Speaker 1: the host. My board is still Cavon Thibo though I

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Speaker 1: know we've talked about off the field concerns, stories that

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Speaker 1: downside risk. But when I look at what this guy

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Speaker 1: from the backside and catch players in pursuits the overall game.

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Speaker 1: I think you can use them standing over tackle. You

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Speaker 1: You know you said something about while if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: the top of this year's draft. Maybe they, you know,

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Speaker 1: my top player. So you think, right now Tony. If

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Speaker 1: think Aidan Hutchinson fits both of those pieces. All Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna get my Aidan Hutchinson's spiel here.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, folks, you can find us on

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Speaker 1: make sure you find us. To me, his combine was

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Speaker 1: fine because in match I thought, exact thine what we

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Speaker 1: and I and I wonder how many of these NFL

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Speaker 1: Here he was under thirty three inches, right, Tony, If

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Speaker 1: He's got the personality. But again, I mean, you draft

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Speaker 1: the opponent into the ground at the Senior Bowl, probably

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Speaker 1: to a fault, as though he was trying to make

428
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Speaker 1: a point. But he watched the Iowa State film, he

429
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,359
Speaker 1: was very patient, he was very methodical. He didn't have

430
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Speaker 1: mental lapses. But he also dominated the competition. And they've

431
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Speaker 1: got some new good defensive lineman and pass rush's at

432
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Speaker 1: Iowa State. So I mentioned this last meeking another interview

433
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Speaker 1: that the Iowa State Film shows. It shows showed me

434
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Speaker 1: anyway that when he's got to tone it down, he

435
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 1: can tone it down. You know. It's not like every

436
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Speaker 1: play was. He doesn't play every play is. He did

437
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Speaker 1: during the week of senior while practices, when I think

438
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,919
Speaker 1: he was trying to make a point um that Iowa

439
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Speaker 1: State Film and anybody, anybody who's interested in Trevor Penning

440
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 1: go back and watch it because it was good and

441
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 1: just watch the control he plays with. It's funny. I

442
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 1: went back and I watched all his losses during the year,

443
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Speaker 1: right every sack he gave up, every quarterback, and he

444
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 1: gave up. He did not lose off the edge the

445
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 1: Crocs point once. All his losses were either believe it

446
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 1: or not. Bull rush. He got bull rushed a couple

447
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 1: of times. And then he actually had trouble handling uh

448
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: et twists where his end would come down, pick the

449
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: guard and then the tackle will come around here. Trouble

450
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 1: picking some of those up. But I think that's something

451
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 1: you can learn with with coaching in the NFL. And

452
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 1: I thought, and again the competition not the best, but

453
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Speaker 1: the fact he was not losing at that size off

454
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Speaker 1: the edge to quickness and speed. I thought that was

455
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Speaker 1: pretty important. And I have linder Bomb now as a

456
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Speaker 1: first round pick. Tony does not. And I think we

457
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Speaker 1: can talk about that. Krac Way, don't you lead us off?

458
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: How about where do you sit on linder Bomb or

459
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Speaker 1: maybe one of these other interior guys, whether it's Zion

460
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 1: Johnson who came really close to my really close. I

461
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Speaker 1: really thought up put Zion on there. I didn't. And

462
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Speaker 1: then of course you have um the Texas A and

463
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Speaker 1: m as well. Yeah, so Kenyan Green, he's a guy

464
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Speaker 1: I really like. And again, part of it is just

465
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Speaker 1: kind of like having that versatility and being able to

466
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Speaker 1: move around a little bit, you know. You know I've

467
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Speaker 1: talked about before. I put on three games and I

468
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Speaker 1: watched him in the first game at left tackle. The

469
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Speaker 1: second game I go to, I don't see him at

470
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Speaker 1: I don't see him at left tackle. So I turned

471
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Speaker 1: that game off. I go to another game. I don't

472
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Speaker 1: see m at left tackle. Why I went back to

473
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: the other games. Well, he's on the field, he's just

474
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Speaker 1: playing different positions. He played right tackle, he played guard.

475
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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be really good as a guard.

476
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Speaker 1: So that's a guy with just that type of versatility.

477
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Speaker 1: And we've seen in the NFL sometimes you know, having

478
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Speaker 1: to move to a different position in a pinch still

479
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: will be able to play well. I think the guard

480
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 1: position isn't valued as high as tackle unless you're like

481
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, Coulton Nelson and ended up being a top

482
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Speaker 1: ten pick. But a guy that okay, yeah you are

483
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 1: a guard, but you also really play tackle if need be.

484
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: Not we're not gonna start you off there, but if

485
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: need be, you can play there. I like that versu Tilney.

486
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: I think that gives him added value sive Kenyan Green

487
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Speaker 1: as a first round pick, and Tony give me the

488
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Speaker 1: argument against Linder bamb I think we talked about this

489
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: before the short arms. I think you know, we kind

490
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Speaker 1: of saw that coming, um, but though they were thirty

491
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Speaker 1: one and change the combine, which is a problem, and

492
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: you're throwing the way to you know, trouble against big

493
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: power from those tackles. So I wonder how far down

494
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Speaker 1: you know, is there gonna be a team that he

495
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Speaker 1: fits picking high enough to get him in the teens area, Well,

496
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be his own blocking team or a team

497
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Speaker 1: that you know, because he needs a running start into

498
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Speaker 1: his blocks, especially as run blocks. He's very good on

499
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: the speed, he's very good on the second level. He

500
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Speaker 1: can slide in space. But you pointed it out. It's

501
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Speaker 1: not just the short arms. It's the short arms plus

502
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Speaker 1: the fact that you know he's not a dominant waller.

503
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: He's not a guy that pushes opponents off the line

504
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 1: of scrimmage run blocking, what how? How are you? How

505
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: is he going to handle the Jordan davis Is of

506
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: the world. The guys that are forty pounds are incredibly powerful,

507
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: incredibly athlete. Once they get into his body, you can't

508
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Speaker 1: keep him away because the short arms, he doesn't have

509
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Speaker 1: the dominant strength. I like Linda bomb I think the

510
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: big problem with Linda Bomb is and I said this

511
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: all people were overrating him from the get go. I

512
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: mean here in New York people were talking about him

513
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: tension with the Jets, one of the Jets first one

514
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: and John He was never that type of lineman to

515
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: begin with. I do think he could go bottom half

516
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Speaker 1: of round. What. I don't think he's gonna go on

517
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: the teams. I think he goes into twenties for a

518
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: team that wants, you know, a good zone blocking center.

519
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that he's not gonna be a good pro.

520
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: It just means that I believe, you know, like Kenyan Green,

521
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Speaker 1: who I like lock Kenyan Green is more your power

522
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: gap blocker, or I think Linda Baum is solely a

523
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Speaker 1: zone blocker. Interesting, and I guess my reasons for leaving

524
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Speaker 1: Zion off. I think he's an extremely safe pick, right.

525
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Speaker 1: I think if you drab Zion Johnson, you feel good

526
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: you're getting a ten year starter and you're gonna feel

527
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Speaker 1: great about that. I'm just not sure how many you know,

528
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: all Pro and Pro Bowl selections he might get. I think,

529
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe his ceiling is is a little bit limited.

530
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Speaker 1: But I would feel very safe if I'm picking somewhere

531
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Speaker 1: in the late teens or twenties and I want to

532
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: feel good about getting a really good player in this draft.

533
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: I picked Zion Johnson and I feel really really safe

534
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Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, and he's he's got the art fatility.

535
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: You know everyone was talking about Kenyan Green. I mean,

536
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson is a guy who is a very good

537
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: left tackle at Boston College. He doesn't project to left

538
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL. But you know what if your

539
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: left tackle goes down with an injury and you need

540
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: a guy to slide out there, you know, for a

541
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: short period of time, you can use Zion Johnson out there.

542
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: Was a real good guard, played some center, So he's

543
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: got that position versatility. I agree with you, he's solid.

544
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: I think he's NFL ready. I also like a scheme versatility.

545
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: I think he's a big type of guy. You can

546
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: use him in his own blocking scheme, put him emotion.

547
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: Also think he's got enough strength and size and power

548
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: to be used as a as a power blocker in

549
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: the power scheme. So I like his scheme versatility. He

550
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: just doesn't wow you, you know, the guy with the

551
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: offensive tackles we talked about, you know just basically just

552
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: wow you in certain uh, in certain areas. Zion Johnson

553
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: is not like that. He's very steady, very consistent, very

554
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,479
Speaker 1: conductive and also durable, no question about it. All right,

555
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's do DBS quick. We talked about a

556
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: lot these guys last week, so we just won't spend

557
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: a ton of time on it. We all have Kyle

558
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: Hamilton's I know, people like well the way Tony talks

559
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: about Kyle Hamiltons. Yeah, KYLEA. Hamilton is still pretty high

560
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: on Tony's board, even though he has some worries about him.

561
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: Both um Eric and I have him as a consensus

562
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,959
Speaker 1: first round picks as well. Uh and I believe all

563
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: of us have Stingley, all of us have soft guard

564
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner in there. That's it from Tony and I.

565
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: In terms of defensive backs, Croc, what are their dbs

566
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Speaker 1: do you have in Is there as guys that would

567
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: be sure fire first round picks for you? No? I

568
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: think a guy like uh, you know, want Andrew Booth

569
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: and we'll see if you'll be sure fire. Obviously you're

570
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait too. He tests and kind of

571
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: see that. But uh, am I banking on you know

572
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: a guy who went in there? I thought he won.

573
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: He just everybody wants to talk about fourty r dashes

574
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: just trific there runs up ranks up four four But

575
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: he has a size and I just think the way

576
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: he moves, he moves extremely well. For whatever reason. After

577
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: watching his film, a lot of people kind of question

578
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: about They question is speed. I didn't have any questions

579
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: with this be I thought he was terrific. I don't

580
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: want to scrimmage. He was fairly patient. He put on

581
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: the Alabama game, and I like to watch teams against

582
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: the best opponent. He was terrific in that game as well.

583
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: Look good against Jamimes Jamison Williams, who I think the

584
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: world of with Jamison win was just his dynamic ability

585
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: and being able to make cornerbacks uncomfortable. But Elam never

586
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: felt uncomfortable. And if you could play like that against him,

587
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: I feel like you could do that against anyone. Maybe

588
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: you have to be a little bit more consistent. But

589
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the more underrated defensive backs

590
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: in this class. And I think when you combine the size,

591
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: of speed, the fluidity, all those things, I think he

592
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: kind of projects out as a first round pay Yeah,

593
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: I wait, I like, you know, I just don't have

594
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: him as a shot fire first right. I think he's

595
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: underrated obviously. I think the problem with Ellen was teams

596
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: didn't throw in his direction because he was so good,

597
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: they purposely stayed away from him. Sometimes. You know, it's

598
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: a little bit difficult to uh to really scout a

599
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: guy like that, especially when you have things like the

600
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, whether those one on ones. You you look

601
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: at the combined workout, you look at pro days where

602
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: it's basically he's he's basically doing drills against the uh,

603
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, against no one. I really wanted to put

604
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: Roger McCreary as a solid first round pick. I think

605
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: his ball skills are incredible. I think he's got he's

606
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: got great instincts. He's a smart and fluid corner. But

607
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: when I looked at the computer numbers, I said, the size,

608
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: the speed, everything and everything else. I said, it's just

609
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: not project as a solid, you know, definite should receive

610
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: a first round pick. I still think Roger McCreary is

611
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: gonna go in the first round, and I think he's

612
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: gonna be real good corner at the next level. But

613
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: as far as solid first round, there's as much as

614
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: a pay me I could not for the first round.

615
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: Grand On, you were right on about Andrew Booth. I mean,

616
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: there was some concerns about Andrew Booths forty time. Uh,

617
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: and that's gonna bear watching during Clemson Pro Day in

618
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: a week or two. Yeah. I love that she's still

619
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: brother Roger McCreary, because that's a guy who on film

620
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: his first round. But you know, there will be kind

621
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: of questions about the arm lane. Some teams are crossing

622
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: off the board immediately because you know, let alone not

623
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: being thirty two inch armlan, he's under twenty nine, right,

624
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: that's not ideal. Four teams that are looking for a corner.

625
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: And then it's like, well, maybe you can overcome some

626
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: of that if you run ago fort yard dash sign.

627
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: But he went out there and ran four or five five,

628
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: so he doesn't have the length, doesn't really have the size.

629
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: And then on paper the film doesn't quite match up,

630
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: and I think we can potentially see a situation almost

631
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: like Damon Arnette out of a how State who same thing.

632
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: I thought on film, Hey, everything looks really good, but

633
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: then the testing numbers didn't quite line and then you

634
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: see some struggles with him at the NFL level. His

635
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: struggles might not be because of on field. They might

636
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: be all feel you a lot growing on there where

637
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we'll see him paying in

638
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: the NFL again, But uh, margin McQuary again. Put on

639
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: any film, he was extremely competitive guarding guys at all levels,

640
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: very versable, being play outside and inside as well. A

641
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: lot to like around around McCreary. I want him to

642
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: be a first round pick, but that forty yard dash teams,

643
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: I think they're going to kind of value that with

644
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: the short I don't want to move. Good job against

645
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams and that Alabama a real good job against Williams,

646
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: no matter where he lined them inside, outside, running with

647
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: guys on slot phase, breaking up passes. Felt like he

648
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: was targeting about twelve times in that game, and he

649
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: gave up some plays here and there because they played

650
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: so much. Man, But if you just want to go

651
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: off of ability and when a guy is able to

652
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: put on film, it doesn't get much better than what

653
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: he did against Alabama, Jamison Williams and John MITCHI. Nothing

654
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: makes me happier than to see Eric talked about Roger McCreary.

655
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: He gets a glint in his eyes, he's been smile.

656
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: He's this guy. I love it all right, Uh, let's

657
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: let's finish off the defensive side of the ball. I

658
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: didn't mention Jordan Davis when we talked about defensive lineman.

659
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: I think all three of us have him in our

660
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: obviously consensus first round picks, given his his film work

661
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: and what he did at the combine, let's go to

662
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: linebacker and Tony. You have too guys as short fire

663
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: first round picks, Devin Lloyd and the Kobe Dean. I

664
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: gotta be honest, Devin Lloyd was like my first guy

665
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: off as consensus first round picks. And Dean he didn't

666
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: test yet. I think that's gonna be very important with

667
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: him given his size. But two and twenty pounds shore

668
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: fire for I don't know man for shore fire first

669
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: round of T twenty. He looks like a strong safety

670
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: to me, well, I think it's a little bit heavier

671
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: at uh what wasn't close to closer to twenty nine

672
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: to combine, but still it was that was at the

673
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: drinking with like six gallons of water. Although although although

674
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: they have to uh, they they got to weigh in

675
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: the same thing that they worked out. Now, I mean

676
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: that that was the old trick. They would weigh in

677
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 1: days before they worked out, so they would fill up

678
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: on water, you know, get rid of it the next

679
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: couple of days, and then they were down to their

680
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: natural weights. Workout. Um, as far as Dean's concerned, I

681
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: could understand it. But I look at the explosion. I

682
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: looked at the force He's a missile, man, He's a

683
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: missile the way he plays all out. Honestly, you absolutely

684
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: have to wait for the uh the workouts. There are

685
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: some questions about a potential shoulder injury, which you know,

686
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: I gotta keep your ear to the ground on about

687
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: that moving forward. But but you know, he was a

688
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: good He's been a good player in the past couple

689
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: of years, and he's shown consistent development in this game.

690
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: As far as Devin Lloyd's concerned, Yeah, okay, he ran

691
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: a solid time in the four six sixes at the Combine,

692
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: but he's been a good player for three years now.

693
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 1: In my opinion, he's a three down defender. You can

694
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: use them in space, you can use him in pursuit,

695
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: you can use him in coverage. He shows the ability

696
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: to fly up the field. I've said all along, Devin

697
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: Lloyd is gonna be one of those guys that I

698
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: believe is underdraft, that he's gonna go late teams in

699
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: the twenties, and then two or three years down the road,

700
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: people are gonna be saying, wow, we passed up on

701
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: this guy at number twelve or number fifteen, and look

702
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: at the type of player he is now. Do you

703
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: have buy those two linebackers croc as short fire first

704
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: rounders for you. Yeah. I put both guys in there,

705
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: and I just think they, you know, check all the

706
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: boxes from an ability standpoint, Guys that can definitely turn around.

707
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: I would have liked to see Dean perform at the combine,

708
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: see what the you know, measurables and everything match up

709
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: what we saw in film. But if you just go

710
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: off pure film and how he was able to close

711
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: space and run a sideline the sideline, I don't think

712
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: that would be an issue. Yeah, loo, he he gets downfield,

713
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: You're right, he shoots gaps. He does a great job

714
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: with that. And both those guys are in like my

715
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: top twenty two. They literally like just missed that that

716
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: that you know, short fire first round look um, all right,

717
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: anybody else on defense guys before I move on, that

718
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: I missed from either of your list that you think

719
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: is a short fire first friend or crop? What you

720
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: got Daxon Hill? Did you bring him up? I did not?

721
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: Go ahead? Again, more versatility and I like that when

722
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: it comes to the secondary guys, Now, what is is

723
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: he his safety? Is he a nickel? Can he? Potitionally?

724
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: But outside I didn't see it, but maybe somebody might

725
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: think he can when you test as well as he didn't.

726
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: Here as a physical as he was, and you know

727
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: you have that versatility, you can play in the slot.

728
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: That's where the harder positions on the field. I thought

729
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: he looked comfortable at home, being able to run the

730
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: guys Agatin high. I definitely judged. I don't wanna say judge,

731
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: but I'm looking, can you ute with those slot pads?

732
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: Because in NFL we'st single high, They're gonna be looking

733
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: to hit throw slot phase. And I thought he covered

734
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: that extremely well, aggressive tackler. Uh, you know, can he

735
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: be more of a two high safety and single high safety?

736
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: I think you can go set up and has all

737
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: the ability to cover a lot of range. So here's

738
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: a guy I think has tremendous upside where he's at

739
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: safety or playing maybe around a line of screamage at

740
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: a nickel position. I don't. I don't have him as

741
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: a first rounder, but you know, the versatility is t

742
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: and he had a great Uh. He ran incredibly fast

743
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 1: at the combines, so I could see the attraction. Yeah,

744
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: he almost plays. He almost played that star role on defense. Right.

745
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: I put him a lot of different areas and let

746
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: him uh do some different stuff. All right, Let's finish

747
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: it off on offense with a couple of the scope

748
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: positions here. Uh, none of us, I don't believe have

749
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: any running backs are tight ends? Correct the shore fire ones. Dope,

750
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: we do not. So let's look at quarterback. I do

751
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: not have anybody in there, but Tony. You have Malik Willis,

752
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: which I found interesting. Well, I I mean I think

753
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: he is the first round prospect. I not only think that, uh,

754
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: he's going to go in the fresh round. I think

755
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: he deserves to go in the first round because of

756
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, he was real good as

757
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: a senior. He he had He showed some incredible flashes

758
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: at the senior ball, and then he showed those same

759
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: flashes at the combine. He's an athletic guy with a

760
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: big arm who he's sort of like the I don't

761
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: want to give up him, but he's sort of like

762
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: the David a jab Who of the quarterback position in

763
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,959
Speaker 1: the sense that he's got all the physical skills. He's

764
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: shown dominance. As I said time and time again, he

765
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: makes some wow throws that you're like, wow loads are

766
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: incredible that he makes some head scratching throws. With any quarterback,

767
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a matter of proper coaching and development

768
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: of Malik Wills. I think with Malik Wills it's a

769
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: little bit more because of the level of competition he

770
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: played at, because of the fact that he's got to

771
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: learn to become a passer round in the throw where

772
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: he's gotta learn to play under center. But again, I mean,

773
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: like a jabl Like I said, if you coach him correctly,

774
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: know you're gonna be hitting a lot of home runs

775
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: and a lot of Grand slams with Movie Wills is

776
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: the position, and it's very tough, you know, to develop

777
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: a guy at that position. And we've seen more Mrs

778
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: Ben hits. But I like the least Milik Wills. I

779
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: always like to get a quarterback when he's headed in

780
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: the right direction, when he's coming off a good season,

781
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: as opposed to say, a guy who didn't live up

782
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: to expectations, and then you gotta kind of you gotta

783
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: reverse that trend. I think Malik Willis is absolutely worth

784
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: uh for, is absolutely worthy of being a first round prospect.

785
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: How would you crock your thoughts any quarterbacks in there

786
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: for you, anyone come close. He's the guy I like.

787
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: You know, I came on here talking about how I

788
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: like upside and I like traits, I like all those

789
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: things that kind of way more heavily towards that as

790
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: opposed to maybe the safer guy. But if there is

791
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: one guy I could see going first round there will

792
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: be it would be Millie will he Is. Now, I

793
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: don't personally have a first round grade on them, but

794
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, he is a guy I do project to

795
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: go first round, and he would be the first quarterback

796
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: taken if I'm a team in need of a quarterback.

797
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: Not me too, I'm just I'm with Crocto. I think

798
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: that's more of like, uh, the very end of the

799
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: first round, trying to get that fifth year option on

800
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: the type of move than be like a top twenty guy.

801
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: You know, Hey, here, here's the thing. The Pittsburgh season.

802
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: I know we're not talking about the free agency ahead,

803
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: but they just signed Mitchell Drabinsky to a two year contract.

804
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: What could that potentially do make it to where hey,

805
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: I can go and get Molique Willis. He doesn't have

806
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: to play right now, Okay, Mr Drabinsky, here wateran you're

807
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: gonna be all offseason O T s Fred you know,

808
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: training camp, all that good stuff, and you can let

809
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: the Malik Willis you know, progression happened a little bit

810
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: more organically, and then play on whenever he's ready. So

811
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: we'll see if that's what they end up doing. But

812
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: I think they've set themselves up to now I have

813
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: to force anything with Malik Willis here. That is the

814
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: fact you're planned. I reported at the combine that they

815
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: were looking at the three UH free free agent quarterbacks,

816
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: Mitch Robinsky being the number one list, and then with

817
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: the hopes of drafting Malik Willis so they don't have

818
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: to play uh Belik Willis year one. And they wanted

819
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: a guy that had more mobility than Ben Roethlisberger, which

820
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: both Trabisky and Willis do. So that's been their game

821
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: plan all along. But question is, now, you know, do

822
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: they have to maneuver up a few spots to get

823
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: uh belief Willis. You know, they got the New Orleans

824
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: Saints sitting in front of them. What do the Saints

825
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: signa a quarterback? And free agency? Did they get to

826
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: Shawn Watson and trade so? But that has been the

827
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: Steelers plan from the gett go. I reported that from

828
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: the combine. Yeah, and we're gonna we're gonna cover all

829
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: that stuff next week. It's gonna be great. We'll probably

830
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: recording maybe next Tuesday. We'll we'll put us push it

831
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: back a little bit to get as much free agency

832
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: stuff on the books as possible. We'll see how that

833
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: impacts the draft. And we also got a bunch of

834
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: questions by the way from fans. I was gonna hit

835
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: him in this episode, but we still got do receivers,

836
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: so we'll push those to next week. We'll do that

837
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: with the free agency stuff and how it impacts the draft,

838
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 1: and that will be next week show. So let's wrap

839
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: it up here, guys and go wide receivers here. Um,

840
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: this is an interesting class. All of us have Garrett

841
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: Wilson in there as a shorefire our first round there.

842
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: We talked about him really good forty time last week

843
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: at four three eight. You know one guy that Tony

844
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: and I both have uh in our short fire first

845
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: round list for both of us right towards the end

846
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: of that list is Drake London at a USC CROC.

847
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: I lost your list here. Do you have Drake London

848
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: as a short fire one for you. I don't have

849
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: him as a shot fire one just because I gotta

850
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: see how he runs, because I think those are the

851
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: biggest question marks. You know, even if he doesn't run

852
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: extremely well in the fort yard dash whatever, but how's

853
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: your three cone um and then change the direction and

854
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: if that checks off, well, then awesome. I do think

855
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 1: he moves well. You know, they threw everybody talks about

856
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: the contested catch element to his game. You know, he's

857
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: measured in that just shine and six ft four around

858
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: two undred pounds. It's kind of like Kenny Kenny gotta

859
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: day clone down there. But uh, they threw a ton

860
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: of screens to him, so he was able to show

861
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: off their elusiveness and kind of a little a little

862
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: enough short area equipments for somebody as long as he is,

863
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: uh to not super you know, really question it. But

864
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: yeah that that I need to see the three comb

865
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: and see how that transition of his movement skills translates

866
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: cy NFL. You know, I agree. I mean, you've got

867
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: big receiver syndrome. I mean, and we've seen the game,

868
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: Butler's the alans ours. I mean, all these guys a

869
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: year for the year look like they're they can't be

870
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: stopped on the college field. And Drake London could not

871
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: be stopped at USC. I mean, if you look at

872
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: the number of passes that went in his direction and

873
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: you could and the number of catches he threw compared

874
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: to the number of completions uh from the USC quarterback.

875
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: He was catching fifty the balls each week and the

876
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: defense couldn't stop him. A lot of it was because

877
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: of the screens. But yeah, it's the uh, it's the

878
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: three calm times the show. It's the ten split. That's

879
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: why Cooper Cup was so good. Because you had such

880
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: a good ten split, you're able to beat the opponent

881
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: off the line. And it's the fact that you know

882
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: what type of offense do you run. I mean, he's

883
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: only gonna be He's a scheme specific player. You know,

884
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: you're not really gonna use him in a timing sort

885
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: of offense. I have him as a first rounder, but

886
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: I have him at the bottom end of my get

887
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: of my short fire first round race. You know. And

888
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: I think the other thing too, that jumped out of

889
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: major seeing him in person and on tape, I just

890
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: didn't recognize this looking at the old twenty two, he

891
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: is slender man like. You know, there are some of

892
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: these big wide receivers that are thick and they can

893
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: win with their strength and contested catches. I wonder when

894
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: he gets against stronger, more physical defensive backs in the NFL.

895
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: You know, he's built like a basketball player, which is

896
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: not surprising he played basketball at USA. Or I wonder

897
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: how that contested catch in his style is gonna work

898
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: against more physical, stronger NFL defensive backs. Well, he measured

899
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: in at least on paper at USC around to ten,

900
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: and then at the combine he was too, So I

901
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: don't know that is that extra tim pounds and muscle

902
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: or is that extra tim pounds? Have I've broke my

903
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: ankle and I haven't been able to do a whole

904
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: lot of running. So I think him weighing in at

905
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: USC's pro day, we'll see what he measures in that there.

906
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: Has he gotten stronger? What is that bench pressing like,

907
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: you know, all those type of things to see Maybe

908
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: he just added that extra strength that they're looking for.

909
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, naturally he is more of a slender built receiver. Yeah,

910
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: and he's very fluid, He's very natural in his movements.

911
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: He's a natural handcatcher. You know, he's smooth, he finds

912
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: ways to separate, which is why I put him as

913
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: a first round and when usually that sort of guy,

914
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: I would push a little bit further down, as I'm

915
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: sure another receiver you're about to talk about. Yeah, that,

916
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: and I guess Jamison Williams is where I'll go next.

917
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what you're talking about. But that

918
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: is a guy. But he's on all three of our lists,

919
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: so he's a consensus guy. And I just think it

920
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: says a lot that a guy that's coming off of

921
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: a c L. His film was so good and he's

922
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: so fast and so explosive that he made all of

923
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: our short fire first rounds. And maybe I'm breaking the

924
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: rules because I'm not sure he's going to be a

925
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: top twenty pick because of the a c L. But

926
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: if I'm a GM and I see how that dude ran,

927
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Uh, he's so impressive and he just looks

928
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: different then all the other wide receivers when you're watch him.

929
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: To me, he's special and and that skill is special.

930
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: Like he looks better than Ruggs did a couple of

931
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: years ago, right, I think he looks more explosive than

932
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs di down on tape. So I think Jamis

933
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: and Williams, whoever drafts him whenever he gets back, is

934
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: going to get a pretty special player. And you gotta remember,

935
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: I mean the way a c l s are treated

936
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: these days, the recovery period, the rehabilitation is a lot

937
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: more advanced than it was ten years ago, and it

938
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: was a heck of a lot more advanced and it

939
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: was twenty years ago. So you know, medical advancement, medical

940
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: development has maybe turning from that sort of injury, you know,

941
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 1: a lot quicker. The question is was it a clean tear?

942
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: Was it a jagged tear, which which plays a lot

943
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: into it. But I think a c l S where

944
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: it was guaranteed, you know, a year on the sidelines

945
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: in the past, not so much these days. So it's

946
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: not gonna be ready for the beginning of the season,

947
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: that's for sure, but you may be able to see

948
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: him play October November and contribute to the second half

949
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: of the season for whatever team drafts him. Yeah. I

950
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: love Jamison Williams. There are some people that have, you know,

951
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: some question marks about certain elements of his game, even

952
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: outside of the torn a c L. But when you

953
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: see a guy that's that fluid, that natural that you know,

954
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: hands Capstuer does, all these things can line up inside outside. Again,

955
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: I really look at you know, how do you threaten

956
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: the corners? Matter of fact, talk about him against the

957
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: Cincinnati dvs, and there are a lot of people that say, oh, man,

958
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: like those sits in a corners they man, they Jamison

959
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: Williams didn't do much against them. But if you look

960
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: at how they had those corners playing, to me, that

961
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 1: says that shows a lot of respect for Jamison Williams.

962
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: Those guys playing primarily a lot of zone covered to

963
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: kind of flash type stuff, not a whole lot of

964
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: Hey you gotta go match up with Jamison Williams and

965
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: around wherever he runs, you didn't see a ton of that.

966
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: So uh, I think it's a tremendous receiver. You know,

967
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: if not for the a CO I think he'd be

968
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: the first receiver taking off the board. I'm curious to

969
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: see where he goes because of the A C A

970
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: c L injury And if the team says, you know what,

971
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: you know, by the time the season start, field Dan,

972
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: there'll be nine months removed from the A c l injury.

973
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. All right, Tony, you a wide receiver.

974
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 1: That's it. My list has done. We've hit all my guys.

975
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: So Tony, you have a wide receiver that you had

976
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: on that I don't that I know you Love. That

977
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: would be Crystal Lay Ohio State. And again, you know,

978
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just thinking with my heart here and not

979
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: my head, but the fact is gives this. He was

980
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: a dominant player in two thousand twenty. He's an explosive guy.

981
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: I think part of the disappointment this year was a

982
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: change of quarterback. C J. Stroud took a while, uh

983
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, to get it going. I was at Ohio

984
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: State games this year. I saw when Crystal Love was

985
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: four yards behind the fences back to the cornerback guys

986
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: like mckill Wrights of of Oregon, who a lot of

987
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: people like, and the quarterbacks just never looked his way.

988
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: And then he goes and he runs in the four

989
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: three's at the combine. He's a tall guy, he's a

990
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: legitimate vertical receiver. He runs, he separates through it. His

991
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: routes a little bit wiry, not a guy that's gonna

992
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, went out in battles, But I think his

993
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: polished skill plus his speed uh to me, over the

994
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: course of time, just override any not meeting of expectations

995
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: which occurred last year. For the last season, I should

996
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: say for Crystal LaVey, I think a team. You know,

997
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: when you look at the top receivers in this draft,

998
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: whether it be Garrett Willson, whether it be James Wills,

999
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: Wills Uh, Jamis Williams, trail On Berk's, Drake London, whoever

1000
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: it is, there's not a lot of true vertical threats.

1001
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: And I think a LA is a true vertical threat

1002
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: of the top receiver class. Hey, I have a question

1003
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: for you, Tony. You know, just kind of watching him,

1004
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: because it is a guy who is like more smooth

1005
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: than like super setting. But there's a lot of things

1006
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: extremely well. Anyway, you said, it's a true deep there,

1007
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: and I think for this receiving class as well as

1008
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: as fast as everyone was a lot of times when

1009
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: you watch him, the first thing that doesn't come to

1010
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: your mind is, oh, he's a burner. He's a four

1011
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: two guys. So I think that's a compliment to a

1012
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: lot of these guys. They are pure legit receivers. That

1013
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: just happened to be really fast as well. Is there

1014
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: one person that you can think of, maybe at the

1015
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: next level that Kris Olive reminds you of because he

1016
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: is like smooth, he just wins over the top vertically,

1017
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: but he's not like, he doesn't come off as super

1018
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 1: kind of like twitched up, but it just does everything

1019
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: so well. And I'm I've struggled to like just come

1020
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: up with im not saying he's exactly like this person,

1021
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 1: but someone that he just truly reminds me of. Yeah,

1022
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: I I you know, to be honest with you, I don't.

1023
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to the NFL as much as I

1024
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: should because I I've spent so much time watching college film,

1025
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: so I hate doing comparison. I don't want to see

1026
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: Jean Jackson. But he's got that type of runaway ability,

1027
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: and he's got that type of speed where he can

1028
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: run away from opponents and leave him in dust literally

1029
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: four or five yards off the lot of scrimmage. I

1030
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: can see that. I can see that. That's good. All right, Croc.

1031
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: Who who do you have on your list that maybe

1032
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: we're missing them talking about? So far? Now that's every

1033
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: I only have three receivers on my and my like

1034
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: for sure. Now again, I really like tray Lonbertson. I

1035
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: don't want to knock him all the way down or

1036
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: knock him out. I do believe that he will be

1037
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: a first round pick, but I don't think it's for sure.

1038
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: And then another guy, I'm kind of he's kind of

1039
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: creeping up for Christian Watson that you to go to State.

1040
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: You have a guy that's that big, that fast athletic

1041
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: and you know went to the combine, I mean the

1042
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Okay, I'm the best guy at the Senior

1043
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: Bowl of all these receivers here, uh goes to the

1044
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: pro day test well off the charts. You know, there's

1045
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: a lot to like about him. So not sure. I

1046
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: mean if I feel like if you went to a

1047
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: Power five school, we one hundred percent and he did

1048
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: the same stuff, we'd be saying, yeah, that's that's a

1049
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: first round a Day one guy. But I think because

1050
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: of North Dakota State and he could potentially still go

1051
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 1: first round, I like him later in the round until

1052
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: like maybe like Tennessee who could be looking to add

1053
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: a receiver to what they have. But uh, yeah, those

1054
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: are two guys I have right there on the cusp watching.

1055
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: Also an injury last year, which which kind of slow down.

1056
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: I think what watching is unlike a lave, Watson doesn't

1057
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: play as fast as he times. Watson plays more like

1058
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: a four or five guy rather than above four three guys.

1059
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: So I think what watching You know, it's a matter

1060
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: of getting him to play to that time that he

1061
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: ran in shorts and a T shirt. Should be able

1062
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: to do it. But he's an outstanding past catches, no

1063
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: doubt about him. Watched the film in the past couple

1064
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: of years. He played springball uh in two thousand twenty one.

1065
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,479
Speaker 1: He was really good there, So he's got the film

1066
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: to back up the past catching skills. I think he

1067
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: was a really natural pass catcher two crop. He was

1068
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: fantastic and mobile. Yeah, I think when when when it

1069
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: comes to him with the speed is when when you

1070
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: see the ball in his hands, That's when I'm like, Okay,

1071
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: this guy's moving at a different speed and everyone else.

1072
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: But then I thought maybe it was just well, you're

1073
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: playing in the FMCS, maybe you know, everybody's just not

1074
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: as talented or whatever. Obviously still really good football players here.

1075
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: But then when he goes in times I was like Dan,

1076
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: A lot of people said like he would run in

1077
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: the four threes, and another guys from Florida. So from

1078
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: Florida and ended up going up to North Dakota. So

1079
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: he took that Florida heat with him. Also, you know,

1080
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: not really a system that's conducive to wide receiver play either.

1081
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: They run the pall a lot of North Dakota state.

1082
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: So another part of the equation. And two. All right,

1083
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: so we have fifteen consensus round one grades that all

1084
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: three of us agree on those fifteen. I'll throw him

1085
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 1: out for the fans as he wrapped this up. Evan

1086
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: neil ikey Akanu Cavon, Thibodeaux, Aidan Hutchinson, David a Jabo,

1087
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker, Jermaine Johnson. So just for the record, that's

1088
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: out of the fifteen five guys our edge rushers, Thibodeau, Hudginson,

1089
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: a Jabo, Walker, Johnson, throwing Jordan Davis. That's six of

1090
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: the fifteen or defensive lineman. Right, keep going down the list.

1091
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: You have Trevor Penning, Charles Cross, which means four of

1092
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: the top fifteen or offensive tackles, assuming you count Neel

1093
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: and a Quanta was offensive tackles. So that's ted of

1094
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: the top fifteen guys in our consensus opinion play up front.

1095
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: In addition to that, you've got the three dbs, Hamilton's Sauce,

1096
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 1: Derek Stingley, and then you have the wide receivers Jamison

1097
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: Williams and Garrett Wilson. The guys that some of us

1098
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: agree and some of us don't on the list Carl Loftis,

1099
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: Kenyan Green, Linder, Bomb Bootham A Lava, Nakobe Dean, Devin, Lloyd,

1100
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: Daxton Hill, Malik Willis and Drake London. So those are

1101
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: the guys, and I think it kind of shows and

1102
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:15,959
Speaker 1: this is a good way to wrap it up, guys,

1103
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: when you only have a consensus with the three of

1104
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: us fifteen, I think it shows how when you get

1105
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: to the draft this year, I think a lot of

1106
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: different front officers are gonna have very different looking boards

1107
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: and it's not gonna be like a really star studded

1108
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: top fifteen with a lot of big guys going off

1109
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: the board without a lot of these skill guys. I

1110
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: think it also shows the fact that something has been

1111
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: said for literally since October, it's not a very impressive

1112
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: quarterback class. Because you know, when you have four five

1113
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: quarterbacks taken in the top fifteen, so it's it's easier

1114
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: to say it's set a board when you've got all

1115
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks up top. But as I said time and

1116
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: time again, I mean this is a draft that in

1117
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 1: the nineteen eights teams would have been over the moon about.

1118
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: You've got impact defensive players up top, you got offensive

1119
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 1: tackles up top, you've got quarterbacks up top, and before

1120
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: everybody started reaching for quarterbacks for signal colors, those were

1121
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: the positions that were the most desired come draft day,

1122
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: and that's what you have. So while even though the

1123
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: draft boards may be different, I think there's gonna be

1124
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: from the general manager, especially from so many of the

1125
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: old general managers, could be a lot of smiles because

1126
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: there were players at priority positions that great highest and

1127
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: very good players in this year's draft. Your role thoughts

1128
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: on on on this exercise, crocking kind of what we

1129
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: learned about the class? Yeah, I like it. I've been

1130
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: a little bit higher on it and I and I

1131
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: hear some people on the outside saying, oh, it's not

1132
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: that strong of the class, But I agree with Tony.

1133
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: I think the misconception there is that there's not quarterbacks

1134
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: at the top. So you start off from the jump

1135
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: drafting the office tackles, the angel linebackers, the addressers, you know,

1136
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: the corner. Everybody's gonna fly off right away, and I

1137
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: think that's gonna kind of throw off the perception of

1138
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: what this classes. But I think a lot of these

1139
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: uh guys are extremely talented. If I were a team

1140
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: picking in the top ten, I'd be extremely excited by

1141
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: the potential of whatever's gonna fall to me, because I'm

1142
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: gonna get a guy that's gonna impact the game at

1143
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: a at a high level. Where there's on the old

1144
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: line or defensive line. You gotta build in the trenches.

1145
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: So I like it. I like it. And that's not

1146
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 1: even counting guys that have, you know, just a super

1147
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: high upside but maybe aren't going in the top ten

1148
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 1: because of position of value, like maybe like a Kyle

1149
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: Hambleton or something. Good stuff. Guys, we'll see you next week.

1150
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: We'll talk some fretency and then take some questions from fans.

1151
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: Appreciate it as always forever Crocker and Tony Pauline. I'm

1152
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: John Schmallo. Thanks for joining us. On draft season. We'll

1153
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: see you next time. I everybody remember to find us

1154
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: on Apple Podcast. Subscribe with a five star positive review.

1155
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: As you try to grow this stick, we'll see it.

1156
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: Then enjoy the NFL free agency. Will talk to you

1157
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Speaker 1: next week.