WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Bad Blood

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<v Speaker 1>Hi again everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals Booth Podcast the Because Baby Now we got

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<v Speaker 1>bad Blood. Addition, as the Bengals and Dolphins lose their

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<v Speaker 1>tempers before the Bengals lose the game nineteen to seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up, you'll hear radio replays from Sunday's loss, postgame

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<v Speaker 1>comments from Zach Taylor, and in depth analysis from Dave Lapham.

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<v Speaker 1>And in this week's fun Facts segment, you'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>know the person under the pads as I go one

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<v Speaker 1>on one with offensive lineman Quentin Spain. The Bengals Booth

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<v Speaker 1>Since I was a kid, I've always loved Advent calendars

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<v Speaker 1>My son opens the little door each day to reveal

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<v Speaker 1>that day's treat. They countdown to Christmas. Never tasted so sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let's get to Sunday's game. On an eighty one

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<v Speaker 1>degree day in Miami, the Bengals scored first late in

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<v Speaker 1>the first quarter when Tyler Boyd took a short pass

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<v Speaker 1>from Brandon Allen and turned it into the longest play

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<v Speaker 1>of his NFL career. Third down in two, Cincinnati from

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<v Speaker 1>their own twenty eight yard line. Allen, in the shotgun

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<v Speaker 1>against the snap, throws quick boy down the side, cross midfield,

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<v Speaker 1>met them bowing it you go all the way, cuts

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<v Speaker 1>inside of the table and sits into the end zone.

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<v Speaker 1>Touchdown Tyler Boyd touchdown, Cincinnati seventy two yards. Unfortunately, it

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<v Speaker 1>was Boyd's only catch of the day. The Bengals had

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<v Speaker 1>a seven to three lead with about a minute to

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<v Speaker 1>go in the first half and had the ball at

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<v Speaker 1>the Miami twenty yard line on third down in ten.

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<v Speaker 1>They knew that even if they couldn't get a first down,

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<v Speaker 1>they were well within easy field goal range for Randy

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<v Speaker 1>Bullock in the shotgun. Allen gets the football looks right now.

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<v Speaker 1>He rolls fires toward the sideline and it's too high,

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<v Speaker 1>incomplete and a little extra push on boy a swipe

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<v Speaker 1>by Howard, and it continues on the sideline just outside

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<v Speaker 1>the fifteen yard line. That swite could easily be a

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen yard penalty. It would be half the distance to

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<v Speaker 1>the goal here. And the referees are talking this over,

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<v Speaker 1>but no flags yet. Zach Taylor's ran down there at

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<v Speaker 1>the officially, so are you kidding me? You didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>him swat Tyler Boyd in the face mask. He took

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<v Speaker 1>a shot at him. He took a left handed punch

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<v Speaker 1>out him, took a swat because Tyler Boyd gets up,

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<v Speaker 1>goes face mask to face mask, he swats at him

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<v Speaker 1>with the left hand and then comes back at him again.

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<v Speaker 1>So Zach Taylor saw that. Zach Taylor saying where's the flag?

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<v Speaker 1>He's doing a play by playing the officials ear and

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<v Speaker 1>finally the flag comes in and are they going to

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<v Speaker 1>penalize the Bengals bench? Oh, they're gonna call it him

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals. That makes it a more interesting field goal,

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<v Speaker 1>it sure does. Let's unpack what happened. Tyler Boyd got

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<v Speaker 1>pushed in the back late when he was going out

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<v Speaker 1>of bounds. He took exception and got up and said

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<v Speaker 1>something face mask to face mask to Dolphin's cornerback Xavian Howard.

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<v Speaker 1>Howard threw a punch that didn't really connect. Boyd retaliated

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<v Speaker 1>with a punch that also didn't really connect. The game

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<v Speaker 1>officials apparently only saw the retaliation punch and hit Boyd

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<v Speaker 1>with a fifteen yard penalty, but the replay officials watching

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<v Speaker 1>in New York saw both punches and ejected Boyd and Howard.

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<v Speaker 1>And even though they saw Howard throw the first punch,

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<v Speaker 1>the crew in New York can only rule on ejections.

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<v Speaker 1>They cannot ask the officials on site to throw another penalty.

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<v Speaker 1>Flag that turned a thirty eight yard field goal attempt

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<v Speaker 1>by Bullock into a fifty three yard try. Clark Harris

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<v Speaker 1>the snap, Huber to hold off the left. Hash looking

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<v Speaker 1>in now getting the snap, it's high place down Bell

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<v Speaker 1>and Wine Lord wide of the post wide left. You

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<v Speaker 1>just knew what was going to happen after that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>The Dolphins picked up a couple of first downs and

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<v Speaker 1>kicked a forty eight yard field goal on the final

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<v Speaker 1>play of the half. To make it Cincinnati seven Miami six.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals had the lead, but it sure didn't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it, and sure enough, the second half was thoroughly

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<v Speaker 1>dominated by the Dolphins. Three receivers set with smythe motioning

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Lowa takes throws back of the end zone,

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<v Speaker 1>it is Cark Gisicky back of the end zone over

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<v Speaker 1>Sims for eight Dolphins touchdown. That touchdown passed to Mike Kasicki,

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<v Speaker 1>and a field goal by Jason Sanders gave Miami a

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen seven lead going to the final quarter. In the

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<v Speaker 1>third quarter, the Bengals had minus four yards of offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Zach Taylor, there's a third quarter in the Nut Show,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And they came out and had three straight

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<v Speaker 1>scorn drives, and we had some three and outs, And

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta put our guys in a better position, too.

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<v Speaker 1>We gotta make some plays that are there. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, you know, I gotta be accountable for

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<v Speaker 1>them and put us in some better spots. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we played the game how we expected to be playing

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<v Speaker 1>the first half, and then weren't good enough in the

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<v Speaker 1>third quarter, and that's where I got away. Miami added

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<v Speaker 1>a field goal early in the fourth to make it

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seven, and while the Dolphins didn't score again, things

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<v Speaker 1>got much worse. First, Jonah Williams suffered a knee injury

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<v Speaker 1>and was taken off the field on a cart. On

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<v Speaker 1>the very next play, Mike Thomas hit punt returner Jachim

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<v Speaker 1>Grant before he had a chance to catch the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>drawing a catch interference penalty. Earlier in the game, Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>was penalized for unnecessary roughness for another hit on Grant

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<v Speaker 1>that caused Dolphins players and coaches to come charging off

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<v Speaker 1>the field from their sideline, leading to three more ejections

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<v Speaker 1>for fighting, Devonte Parker and Mac Hollins for Miami and

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Williams for the Bengals. After the games, Zach Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>defended Mike Thomas for the two hits on Grant that

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<v Speaker 1>resulted in penalties. Oh, we'll watch the first one first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, and then the second one. He got there

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<v Speaker 1>a little too soon. I mean, that's that's obvious. We

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<v Speaker 1>know that. But again that that returner is a heck

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<v Speaker 1>for returner. That's the number one point returner unit in

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<v Speaker 1>the league. He does not fair to catch the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And so you've got to put pressure on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, we don't want to do it before before

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<v Speaker 1>the catch point. We want to play within the rules.

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<v Speaker 1>But our guys were playing hard. It was unfortunate. You

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<v Speaker 1>hope he's fine, but again there's no will will there

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<v Speaker 1>by Mike Thomas, I can promise you that he's just

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<v Speaker 1>he's just being a gunner and trying to go down

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<v Speaker 1>there and make a play. The rest of the game

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<v Speaker 1>was basically an assault on Bengals quarterbacks. Brandon Allen got

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<v Speaker 1>sacked five times and had to be helped off the

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<v Speaker 1>field with about seven and a half minutes to go. Fortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>he only had the win knocked out of him. Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>Finley came in and promptly got sacked on his second

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<v Speaker 1>play as Miami finished with six sacks and eleven quarterback hits.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals managed just twenty five yards of offense in

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<v Speaker 1>the second half as the Dolphins scored the game's final

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen points in a nineteen seven win. Oh. I think

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<v Speaker 1>our guys got put him some tough spots, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know those are two core guys that got

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<v Speaker 1>keeped out of the game, Sean Williams and and Tyler

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<v Speaker 1>Boyd you know, and again, we don't ever want that.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't ever want to throw a point. We need

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<v Speaker 1>those guys. We're counting on those guys, and everyone's got

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<v Speaker 1>to maintain their composure, myself included. So we just got

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<v Speaker 1>to look at what happened. But but it was I know,

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<v Speaker 1>they were both very frustrated with what was going on,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and Sean got hurt there on a blindside

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<v Speaker 1>block and TV like you got hit way laid out

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<v Speaker 1>of a ounce, you know. And so but again we

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<v Speaker 1>got to maintain our composure and be better than that.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you tell you football team after the game?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm proud of the effort they gave, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and they they're playing hard and had some calls go

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<v Speaker 1>against them, you know that that we'll have to look

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<v Speaker 1>at it, to be quite frank, But um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought our guys were playing hard and got putting

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<v Speaker 1>a tough spot there. The Dolphins are eight and four

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<v Speaker 1>and a half game behind the Bills in the AFC East.

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<v Speaker 1>Those two teams meet in the final game of the

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<v Speaker 1>regular season. The Bengals are two nine and one and

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<v Speaker 1>currently have the third pick in next year's draft. Now

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<v Speaker 1>time for postgame analysis with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, lap nineteen seven the final score in Miami today.

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<v Speaker 1>My question is who had a worse day, Ron Torbert's

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<v Speaker 1>officiating crew or the Bengals O line point. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good question. I'll tell you what. The league

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<v Speaker 1>can't be happy. I mean, the officiating crew lost control

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<v Speaker 1>of that football game and they had a terrible day.

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<v Speaker 1>They really did trying to figure out, you know, who

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<v Speaker 1>to assess penalties on, who to eject. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>league office had to get involved, obviously, and I've never

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<v Speaker 1>ever been in a football game there was where there

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<v Speaker 1>was a twenty to twenty five minute delay regarding that

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<v Speaker 1>who to penalize, who to eject. Unbelievable. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just people don't tune in by television or radio to

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<v Speaker 1>listen or hear or watch officials having basically a conference

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<v Speaker 1>of stripe jersey. It was ridiculous. And the ejection of

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler Boyd and the penalty late in the first half

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<v Speaker 1>was huge. They missed the fact that he got shoved

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<v Speaker 1>in the back out of bounds. That should have been

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<v Speaker 1>a penalty. Yea, he gets up, gets in somebody's face.

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<v Speaker 1>The first swipe was taken by the opponent, he swipes back,

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<v Speaker 1>he gets a fifteen yard penalty. So that's a mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>They both get a ejected and shouldn't have been. That

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<v Speaker 1>was just totally mishandled by the officials. Like Marv Levy said,

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<v Speaker 1>they were all a bunch of overly officious jerks. It

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<v Speaker 1>was ridiculous because, you know, New York got involved with

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<v Speaker 1>the ejections, and New York got overly excited about doing

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<v Speaker 1>something to try to take control of the game that

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<v Speaker 1>the officials had lost control of. I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>they saw that it was starting to get pretty or

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<v Speaker 1>very chippy, very nasty potentially, and they tried to put

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<v Speaker 1>a fork in it as such. But the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>New York couldn't do anything about the fact that they

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<v Speaker 1>blew the call. They can't assess penalties that officials miss

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<v Speaker 1>on the field of play. That would open up the

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<v Speaker 1>can of worms. Every single play would be asked to

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<v Speaker 1>be reviewed to see if there was holding on the

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<v Speaker 1>left tackle, if there was an illegal chuck on the cornerback.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they couldn't play the game, so they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>rectify the mistake that was made by Tyler Boyd being

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that responds to being pushed. They missed totally

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<v Speaker 1>why he was instigated to do what he did. All

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<v Speaker 1>they saw was him retaliate, and it's ridiculous what took

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<v Speaker 1>place there. And Zach Taylor was going nuts because he

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<v Speaker 1>saw the whole thing as he was going down the

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<v Speaker 1>sideline and certainly could not change the officials' minds whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>So technically the game got away in the third quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>but I really thought that final sequence in the second

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<v Speaker 1>quarter swung the game. That's how I felt watching it.

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<v Speaker 1>One oh eight left in the second quarter, the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>have the lead. They've got it first and ten at

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<v Speaker 1>the Miami twenty. You think, worst case scenario, they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to kick a field goal and have a ten to

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<v Speaker 1>three lead at the half. Instead of having, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what should have been a relative chip shot, like a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight yard field goal, it becomes a fifty three

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<v Speaker 1>yard attempt that Bullock misses, gives the Dolphins good field position,

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<v Speaker 1>and they kick a forty eight yard field goal as

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<v Speaker 1>the half expires to make it a seven sixth game.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a huge swing. It was, it was, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think the Bengals went into locker room feeling it.

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<v Speaker 1>So they came back out in the third quarter, went

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<v Speaker 1>two and out, three and out in their two possessions

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<v Speaker 1>in the third quarter, and then they went three and

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<v Speaker 1>out in the first possession of the fourth quarter. Three

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<v Speaker 1>straight three and outs, and on those twelve snaps they

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<v Speaker 1>had zero yards, three plays for six yards, three place

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<v Speaker 1>for minus ten yards, three place for minus one yards,

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<v Speaker 1>minus five total. So in a in a let's see,

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<v Speaker 1>in a five possession sequence, they had four three and outs,

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<v Speaker 1>twelve plays, no yards in those in those in those possessions,

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<v Speaker 1>those five possessions, that is brutal. That's ending the first

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<v Speaker 1>half and starting the second half with nothing going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they had on the drive you talked about

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<v Speaker 1>whether they missed the field goal, they had six first downs.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other nine drives, they had six first downs

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<v Speaker 1>total the other nine drives, and on the one drive

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<v Speaker 1>where they missed a fifty three yard they had six

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<v Speaker 1>verset downs, eleven plays, forty three yards root canal surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they just can't make any plays. They really can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Seventy two yard touchdown, Tyler Boyd, you know, basically you

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<v Speaker 1>had a misplay by the defensive back sample does a

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<v Speaker 1>good job of blocking one. The other one just tries

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<v Speaker 1>to run underneath the plane and catch it from behind

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<v Speaker 1>instead of going over the top. And when he ran

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<v Speaker 1>underneath it, Tyler Board out ran him to the sideline

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<v Speaker 1>and it was, you know, six points at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>it was six city. The Bengals ran a total of

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<v Speaker 1>fifty plays, so that one went for seventy two the

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<v Speaker 1>other forty nine went for un excuse me, one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty four yards. That's two point five per snap.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you say, root canal surgery. Just a dreadful showing.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's tough when you lose your starting quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's happened to a lot of teams. Typically your

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<v Speaker 1>offense is not as good, that's to be understood. But

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<v Speaker 1>it shouldn't be this bad, really shouldn't, I get you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you compound it with the fact that Joe Mixon, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Joe Show is done. The two Joe's only played together,

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<v Speaker 1>what four game games maybe Dan possibly five, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>remember the exact number, but it wasn't very long. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's this football team, both both the Bengals and

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<v Speaker 1>and the Miami Dolphins. Their numbers were very similar. They

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<v Speaker 1>had run it for about ninety five and ninety six

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<v Speaker 1>yards and given up about one hundred and thirty And

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<v Speaker 1>they both were giving up four point eight yards per

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<v Speaker 1>play in the running game. And they're running it for

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<v Speaker 1>about you know, three point six yards, you know, three

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<v Speaker 1>point six to three point eight. So who was going

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<v Speaker 1>to run it and who was going to stop the run?

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals running game was non existent against the defense

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<v Speaker 1>the teams had run the ball against pretty well. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they hit the sea gap, they hit the off tackle

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<v Speaker 1>gap when they went to that bare front and covered

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<v Speaker 1>the center on both guards, and teams hit that and

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<v Speaker 1>abused it pretty well. In the first half, they showed

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<v Speaker 1>some signs, you know, they were finishing runs pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>P Ryan finished the couple, Giovanni finished a couple, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, yeah, maybe they'll be able to stay with him,

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<v Speaker 1>be persistent with the running game and grinds it out

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. And then that's just evaporated. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that went away, and it's amazing. As soon as the

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<v Speaker 1>team gets up more than a score on the Bengals,

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<v Speaker 1>it's over. It's over. They can't they can't run the football,

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<v Speaker 1>the pass protection is they get overpowered and dominated six sacks,

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<v Speaker 1>five of them in the second half. You know that

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<v Speaker 1>Basically Miami started to run away with the game. They

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<v Speaker 1>scored on four straight possessions, the last possession the field

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<v Speaker 1>goal we talked about in the first half, then touchdown

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<v Speaker 1>field goal, field goal in the first three possessions of

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<v Speaker 1>the second half. Ball game, and uh, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>tough to watch it. Defensively, again, they played pretty solidly.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Jesse Bates is having he had thirteen tackles,

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<v Speaker 1>ten of them on assisted and punch the ball out

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<v Speaker 1>and Von Bell recovers it. The Killer Bees are playing

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<v Speaker 1>well at the safety position, and the last two opponents

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<v Speaker 1>have scored nineteen points and the offense cannot even you know,

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<v Speaker 1>come close to make it making it a competitive football game.

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<v Speaker 1>In today's NFL, nineteen points should not win you a

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<v Speaker 1>football game by two scores. It just shouldn't. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>Bates really stood out today because not only did he

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<v Speaker 1>have all those tackles, but he wasn't like making the

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<v Speaker 1>last line of defense tackles fifteen twenty yards downfield. He

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<v Speaker 1>was up in the box stopping guys repeatedly close to

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<v Speaker 1>the line of scrimmage. Yeah, and when receptions were made,

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<v Speaker 1>the journey was over. There was no yards after catch.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he was he was physical. I mean he

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<v Speaker 1>was he was into it. And honestly, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to get a lot of votes for the

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<v Speaker 1>Pro Bowl because his play. I think Lawrence it plus

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that he's trying to ignite his football team.

0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.040
<v Speaker 1>His team is not a good football team, particularly offensively,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's trying to lift his entire defense, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to stay competitive and keep the football team in games.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think League Y he's getting a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>respect for that, and he was effusive in the praise.

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<v Speaker 1>Was florries about Jesse based before the football game during

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<v Speaker 1>the week during the Zoom call that he had the

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<v Speaker 1>conference call on Wednesday, and Jesse did look him up

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<v Speaker 1>before the game and thank them for words. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you have a guy who knows what he's looking at

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<v Speaker 1>from a defensive football perspective. Given the kind of compliments,

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<v Speaker 1>the Flowery compliments they were thrown out there, Flores was

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<v Speaker 1>thrown up their debates, that means something to League. So

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<v Speaker 1>the Jonas Williams situation was awful. TV coverage only showed

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<v Speaker 1>it once, similar to the Joe Burrow situation. Looked like

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby Harts guy inadvertently crashed into the leg of Jonah Williams,

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<v Speaker 1>causing the injury. Again on the TV coverage, they only

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that he was taken off on a cart. We

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see it. None of that would appear to bode

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<v Speaker 1>well in my opinion. Now, they called for the card

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly. He never moved, you know, they just just

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<v Speaker 1>went right down to the knee. I mean, he knew

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<v Speaker 1>obviously right away. And I remember that happened to me

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<v Speaker 1>one time, and I was fortunate in that I tore cartilage,

0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.639
<v Speaker 1>tore meniscus cartilage and tour it pretty well. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a big you know, the meniscus is like a horse

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<v Speaker 1>shoe underneath your kneecap, underneath the matella, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>a big, huge ripping in the meniscus and it was locked,

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<v Speaker 1>locking my knee up. I couldn't bend my leg. But

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<v Speaker 1>they carved it out of there with with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the surgery, the scope, arthurscopic surgery when in there, chopped

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<v Speaker 1>it up, sucked it out of there, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>able to play. Literally, I played the following Sunday. So

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<v Speaker 1>that was a you know, not a not a terrible procedure,

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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of times when you get you get

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<v Speaker 1>hit like that from the side or behind, it can

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<v Speaker 1>lead to some significant damage. And the fact that he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even try to get up and walk off the

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<v Speaker 1>field is not a good indicator. Bobby Hart had a

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<v Speaker 1>tough day. Looked like Michael Jordan had a really tough day.

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<v Speaker 1>Xavier sue of Philo is off the injured list. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think Michael Jordan gets another opportunity to watch from

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<v Speaker 1>the sideline and we see the return of Xavier Suafilo

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<v Speaker 1>to the starting lineup. I would think so. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if Redmond's able to come back, what do

0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.600
<v Speaker 1>you do do you go with? You go with Spain

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<v Speaker 1>and Suafilo, Redmond and Suafilo. You know, it's it's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>what they might do inside there. But I do think

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<v Speaker 1>I think right now Michael Jordan has got a confidence issue.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you know, he's he realizes that in

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<v Speaker 1>his mind, maybe I shouldn't be playing, maybe I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>ready to play. And you can't compete in the national

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<v Speaker 1>football if you go out there with doubt in your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't think that you're going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to get the job done, there's not a snowball's chance

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<v Speaker 1>in hell you're gonna get the job done, bottom line period.

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<v Speaker 1>So until he, you know, gets that confidence back and

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<v Speaker 1>starts to be consistent with his execution of performance on

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<v Speaker 1>a snap by snap basis, you got to do something

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<v Speaker 1>because van Noy, van Noy had three sacks. I respect

0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.359
<v Speaker 1>van Noy as a football player. The guy is a

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<v Speaker 1>stat sheets stuffer and he's very intelligent. And I mean

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<v Speaker 1>when when the Dolphins suffer injury to Roberts, I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, that's that's a that's a big loss right there.

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<v Speaker 1>And Van Noy just picked it up and just made

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of plays for the Dolphins at the linebacker level.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he stepped his game up big time. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think of Twah. I think that they they

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<v Speaker 1>dumped it down a little bit offensively for TWA. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they give him a lot to have to

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<v Speaker 1>concern himself with it. It's very effective. They employ like

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<v Speaker 1>a motion person across the formation. He can you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he can give him a little shovel pass to get

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<v Speaker 1>an outside run. They do their zone read stuff with

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<v Speaker 1>him and then play action off all of those looks,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's pretty simple. It's pretty simple what they're asking

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<v Speaker 1>them to do. And I think they call it and

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<v Speaker 1>run it with Twa. I don't think he even looks

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<v Speaker 1>to audibilize that the line of scrimmage. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a call it and running scenario with chan Gaily and

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<v Speaker 1>then obviously with Ryan Fitzpatrick in there, he has total

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<v Speaker 1>latitude to change plays at the line of scrimmage and

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<v Speaker 1>get him out of bad plays into better ones. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do think too it is very, very conscious of

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<v Speaker 1>not messing it up, don't turn it over, don't make

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<v Speaker 1>a mistake that will cost his football team, because he

0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:24.439
<v Speaker 1>knows his defense is outstanding, and he knows that the

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<v Speaker 1>special teams are great as well. And offensively, just do

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<v Speaker 1>what you need to do, take advantage of opportunities when

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<v Speaker 1>they present themselves. Don't try to force and create opportunities.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't try to do something that's not there and cause issues.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think he had a stretch there where he

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<v Speaker 1>was like I would think probably ten for twelve, one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty yards and a touchdown pass. He was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty effective with that play action stuff, And I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think both quarterbacks Dan are tough minded Fitzpatrick and

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<v Speaker 1>two are both tough minded. Two has been coached hard

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<v Speaker 1>his whole life. His dad just begin with and I

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's tough. I've seen father's coaching their sons

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<v Speaker 1>and they're tough on their sons and anybody because they

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to appear to be showing favoritism. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you go to Nick Saban and probably his dad was

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<v Speaker 1>a picnic before Nick Saban, you know. So now you

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<v Speaker 1>go to Flores, who's another you know, stern taskmaster. So

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<v Speaker 1>two is tough. Two is mentally tough, physically tough. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that he was patient, didn't try to didn't

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<v Speaker 1>try to create something when it wasn't there. It's interesting

0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.840
<v Speaker 1>to watch him, watch him perform, hasn't thrown an interception,

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<v Speaker 1>He's got seven touchdown passes. Now, it's pretty nice. It

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<v Speaker 1>is good. Miami coach Brian Flores lost his cool over

0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:47.040
<v Speaker 1>though Mike Thomas hits on punt returner Jachem Grant. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you think they were cheaper? You know? The thing is

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<v Speaker 1>Grant doesn't signal fair catches. And I'm sure Darren was like, look,

0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:57.000
<v Speaker 1>he's not going to fair catch it. Don't let him

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<v Speaker 1>embarrass you, close the space, get right up on top

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<v Speaker 1>of him as soon as he catches that football, put

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<v Speaker 1>a hit on him. All Thomas took it a little

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<v Speaker 1>a step further, obviously, And I know some people are

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<v Speaker 1>are like a Paul that New York didn't throw Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas out of the game after having back to back

0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:19.880
<v Speaker 1>punt returns that way. The thing my question is, how

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<v Speaker 1>the hell does Flores not even get penalized running across

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<v Speaker 1>the field and leading the whole bench to the Bengal sideline.

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<v Speaker 1>Now New York can say, well, a coach can go

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<v Speaker 1>on the field if he's a peacemaker. Peacemaker my butt.

0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:32.879
<v Speaker 1>Flores was ready to go. He was he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to get after people on the Bengal sideline and von

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Bell held him back. He wasn't out there as a peacemaker.

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<v Speaker 1>He was going nuts. So you know, if they say,

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<v Speaker 1>how come Thomas wasn't injected, how come Flores wasn't at

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<v Speaker 1>least penalized or even ejected. You can't go out in

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<v Speaker 1>the football field like that in that manner as a coach,

0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 1>not only as a head coach, an assistant coach. But

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<v Speaker 1>second time I've seen it happen in the meltdown in

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs Pittsburgh as Cincinnati Joey Porter was out in

0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the field proden Vantes Berfort and Adam Jones. So I've

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:09.119
<v Speaker 1>seen it before with an assistant coach out there on

0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 1>the football field when he shouldn't have been. But I've

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<v Speaker 1>never seen a head coach charged the opposite sideline and

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<v Speaker 1>leader brigade of guys from his sideline across the field

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And there's no repercussion about it whatsoever? What's

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<v Speaker 1>that about it? I don't understand that one we know

0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:27.159
<v Speaker 1>who he was pointing and gesturing toward. Was it a coach?

0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Was it Mike Thomas? Do we know who he was

0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:33.159
<v Speaker 1>directing his anger at. I'm not sure. I'm not sure

0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:35.320
<v Speaker 1>he was. He was screaming and yelling at somebody. And

0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:37.720
<v Speaker 1>I would like to have been a fly on the

0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:39.800
<v Speaker 1>wall when he and Zach Taylor shook hands after the

0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:42.560
<v Speaker 1>game and Zach was asked at the zoom, you know

0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:44.199
<v Speaker 1>what was talked about him? So we'll just keep that

0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 1>between us, he said, but we're good. But there was

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's a Bengal assistant coach or

0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:53.359
<v Speaker 1>somebody else in the organization. Somebody was down on the

0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:57.040
<v Speaker 1>sides and was getting trampled. Yeah, I mean it's like, man,

0:24:57.320 --> 0:24:59.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, you can't you can't have those kind of things.

0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:02.159
<v Speaker 1>That's and that's an ugly scene right there. And the

0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:05.480
<v Speaker 1>National Football League I think that not only are there

0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:08.360
<v Speaker 1>going to be ejections, they're gonna be fines. Players are

0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:10.879
<v Speaker 1>going to be lighter in the pocketbook. If I'm the NFL.

0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 1>If they don't find Floras, I don't know what the

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:19.159
<v Speaker 1>hell of fine? What act would cause a fine to occur?

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:21.680
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure Russ will pick it up. The billionaire

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:24.000
<v Speaker 1>owner will probably pick up Floors. Is fine, but the

0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 1>league has to do something. They can't allow coaches to

0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 1>run across the football field like that and help incite,

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:33.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, things that might get out of control. They

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 1>lost total control of that game every way you can

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:39.280
<v Speaker 1>lose control of it. Brandon Allen left with seven twenty

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 1>three to go, helped off the field by the medical staff.

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:44.640
<v Speaker 1>After the game, he said he just had the win

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 1>knocked out of them. So should we assume that he'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back as the starter next week? What do you

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:53.239
<v Speaker 1>think I think there's a good chance he fell on

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:55.639
<v Speaker 1>top of the football. I saw that, you know, on

0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:57.800
<v Speaker 1>the one replayers got a good angle of it, and

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:00.919
<v Speaker 1>I've seen that before, and I seen it where it

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:02.920
<v Speaker 1>can crack ribs. I mean literally, if you fall on

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:05.879
<v Speaker 1>that football right, you can have a you know, a

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 1>crack or one of the most painful injuries I ever had.

0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:12.439
<v Speaker 1>I recovered a fumble and guys fell on top of

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:14.200
<v Speaker 1>me and I was right on top of the ball

0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:16.800
<v Speaker 1>and had nowhere to go, and I tore cartilage between

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:19.920
<v Speaker 1>my ribs and my rib kidge and oh my gosh, man,

0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:24.119
<v Speaker 1>if you sneeze, cough, anything, it's like, I think I

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 1>might have preferred to crack a rib then tear cartilage

0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:30.440
<v Speaker 1>between the ribs. It was. It was very, very painful,

0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:32.760
<v Speaker 1>and there wasn't much movement you could do. And they

0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:35.639
<v Speaker 1>put a flat jacket on to protect it from further damage,

0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 1>but it was already damaged. Man. That was. That was

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 1>a tough few weeks there, and it almost takes your

0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:43.280
<v Speaker 1>breath away when you move the wrong way. You feel

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 1>that big sharp pain and you know you almost lose

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:50.880
<v Speaker 1>your breath. So he's it all depends on how serious

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 1>that injury is. And if it's if it's a problem

0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:56.199
<v Speaker 1>obviously and you can't practice and get ready for you know,

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:59.159
<v Speaker 1>the game against Dallas, Hogan comes to the rescue and

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 1>I maybe they signed Sergeant Schultz to back them up.

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:06.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, they need another body back there at quarterback.

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what they're gonna do. Nice hole again

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 1>reference speaking of painful two nine and one, four twenty

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 1>three and one since the beginning of last year, just

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 1>a brutal two years stretched, no other way to describe it. Yeah, absolutely,

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:28.560
<v Speaker 1>And they only have one more chance to win a

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:31.359
<v Speaker 1>road game. I mean they could go over the road

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:35.480
<v Speaker 1>other than a tie, don't have a W and man,

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:39.640
<v Speaker 1>that would be a tough, tough stretch. Obviously, they got

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:41.439
<v Speaker 1>one more shot when they go down to Houston to

0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 1>get that road w in the way Shaun Watson's playing,

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 1>and then that won't be an easy cast down there either,

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:50.880
<v Speaker 1>And they've got JJ Watt. Everybody's got players. So yeah,

0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:54.959
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it is. It's brutal, and um, you know,

0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 1>you see the thing is they're playing hard. Dan In

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:03.119
<v Speaker 1>my estimation, te Higgins is trying to up up and

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:05.879
<v Speaker 1>away jump over a guy and make a play. I

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:08.159
<v Speaker 1>asked him in the zoom after the game. You know,

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 1>in hindsight, would you do that again? Yeah, I'm a playmaker.

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I got to try and make place for my football team.

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:16.639
<v Speaker 1>So guys are selling out and they're not worried about

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:20.679
<v Speaker 1>the potential effects on their bodies. But they're just not

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:24.199
<v Speaker 1>playing smart. You know, there's just honestly, they're just not

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:26.119
<v Speaker 1>playing smart. In a lot of cases, they're just not

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 1>good enough, you know. And effort is great, but if

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.720
<v Speaker 1>you're not good enough, effort rings hollow after a while.

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 1>And right now, the fans and everybody involved with the

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 1>football team, it's just starving for wins man. They got

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 1>to got to try to find a win or two

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 1>somewhere as they close it out in the last month.

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Appreciate you doing this seeing a couple of days. Look

0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 1>forward to it. Be good to see you Dan face

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 1>to face instead of by zoom or by voice. Indeed,

0:28:56.000 --> 0:29:00.280
<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. Thanks, you know. Man up next three turn

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:03.440
<v Speaker 1>of Andy Dalton as the Dallas Cowboys come to Paul

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Brown Stadium next week. Dallas is three and eight and

0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 1>has to play on Tuesday in Baltimore. The Bengals Booth

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<v Speaker 1>podcast is presented by Bud Light Seltzer. It's light and

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<v Speaker 1>refreshing with a hint of fruit flavor. Now time for

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<v Speaker 1>this week's fun Facts segment, where you get to know

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>the person under the pads. Time for some fun facts

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 1>with offensive linemen Quentin Spain from Petersburg, Virginia, the birthplace

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 1>of one of the greatest Bengals running backs of all time,

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Rudy Johnson. What was young Quentin Spain into growing up

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 1>in Petersburg? I was into basketball and football, and I

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 1>did I try a shot foot Well, I just went

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 1>to the Tratton meet just to see the people run

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and two hundred in the full ball one Ruth, Quentin,

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<v Speaker 1>you are a large man. Were you always the biggest

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 1>kid growing up? Yes, I was the biggest kid growing

0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:00.040
<v Speaker 1>up in high school. I was the biggest kid in

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the middle school too. Elementary I was playing running back elementary,

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I played running back in quarterback. I'm glad you mentioned

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:10.360
<v Speaker 1>playing running back because there's footage of you on the

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>internet playing high school basketball, and that's good. But there's

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 1>footage of you as a high school fullback and that

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 1>is phenomenal. You look like Godzilla carrying tiny people on

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 1>your shoulders. How much fun was it for you to

0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 1>play fullback in high school? It was great, Like the

0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Cloch believed in me and he gave me the rock,

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 1>so he had faith in me. So and I enjoyed it,

0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:39.040
<v Speaker 1>like I was Tyler blogging at the game, so he

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 1>made it fun fund me, Like when we got into

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 1>the red zone, he tamed me in the back. So

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 1>we're doing fun facts with Quentin Spain. You attended West

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Virginia University, which has a history of developing good offensive lineman.

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Why did you choose WVU now to West Virginia because

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I had to go to summer school because I was

0:30:57.640 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 1>a credit short. When I was a summer school, West

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Virginia stuck with man told me like, whenever you get

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>dumbed there, it's come up. So I came to West Virginia.

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I was a week week in the hell behind the camp,

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 1>so they reres certain and I just I caught on

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.360
<v Speaker 1>and see how thing was going, and then I just

0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 1>took off the year after that. What was the best

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 1>part of your college experience? Everything about college we're chatting

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>with Quentin Spain. Your Twitter profile says mister undrafted, which

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 1>is a reference, unfortunately to what happened in the NFL draft.

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 1>How much did that hurt? They heard a lot like

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 1>it heard being around, like having your family having a

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 1>little draft party, and didn't hear your name call, and

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 1>you projected to go first round when you came back

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 1>your last ship my last year in the same year

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>college project the first round and it's slipped to undrafted.

0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 1>So I just I carried the name. I said, all right,

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call my something stunt drafted, and I'm gonna

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 1>prove everybody, every team wrong who didn't want to pick them.

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Has anybody ever explained why you weren't drafted. Nobody never

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:13.160
<v Speaker 1>told me why I wan't drive. So that's in the

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>past though. So I just used the motivation and I figured,

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 1>like once I make like I knew I could make

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 1>a team. It's just I just had to pick a

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 1>team will fit for me. And I picked Tennessee at

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 1>a time they need alignment. So I figured, if I

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 1>come in there and do what I had to do,

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:31.400
<v Speaker 1>I can make the team. And so when I got

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 1>the when I didn't get the phone call from being cut,

0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:36.720
<v Speaker 1>then my agent called me and said I made a team.

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 1>It brought a big smile on my face, and I said,

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 1>it's not it's not over. Yeah, I made a team,

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:44.479
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like I can be a starter. So

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>I just kept working. And then when I became a starter,

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I just took off right there. Quentin, while you were

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 1>with Tennessee and playing in Nashville, you attended to Nashville

0:32:55.080 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Predators NHL playoff where you fired up the crowd by

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 1>doing what take it off my shirt and chugging beard

0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 1>with the rush of the offensive line and holding catfishes.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's break this down and let's start with

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 1>taking off your shirt. How did the crowd react to that? First?

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 1>Lawan said, all right, we gotta we gotta. Whatever we do,

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:25.000
<v Speaker 1>it gotta it. Gotta break the internet, it gotta worldwide.

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<v Speaker 1>So we would thank you. He said, all right, so

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get I'm gonna bring the cat fishes. So

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 1>we got to the game and he snucked the catfishes

0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>in like at first win, like we didn't know he

0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna get the cat fishes. So he snucked the catfishes

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>in the cooler. They let him slide because we went

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>through the back and they let us in so we

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 1>was in the press box. Luan said, all right, this

0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 1>is what we're gonna do. I want you to hold

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:51.160
<v Speaker 1>a catfish up over my faith and he'll gonna chug

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 1>his beard from off the cat fish. So then everybody

0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 1>like Sprange just took off his shirts, just go crazy.

0:33:57.520 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>So and I said, all right, let's go there. So

0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:02.640
<v Speaker 1>then when they when it happened, we did it, and

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 1>then it just went nationwide. It just blew up. Now

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.359
<v Speaker 1>like every hockey playoff game on the commercials, you will

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:13.000
<v Speaker 1>see us doing it. It's classic. I highly recommend checking

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 1>out the photos out of the internet. Speaking of shirtless Quentin,

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:20.880
<v Speaker 1>on your Twitter profile at the top, you can see

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 1>that you have a big tattoo on your back of

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:28.560
<v Speaker 1>the number sixty seven. So do you always have to

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:31.840
<v Speaker 1>make sure that you are number sixty seven on whatever

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 1>team you play for? Yes? I do. And if you notice,

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 1>I got missed on josted tat on my back too,

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:40.440
<v Speaker 1>like sixty seven under it as a jersey stop sixty

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 1>seven was available in Cincinnati. What if it wasn't, I

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 1>would I would have asked whoever had it can agreement?

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 1>What do I have? Like would have came up with

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.919
<v Speaker 1>a plan something. There would have been some negotiating. Yeah,

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 1>but it was a rookie, it would have been it's

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 1>just been a said every rookie, you just got to

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 1>give it up. Ruck, He's got to give it up,

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:03.840
<v Speaker 1>no question about it. If the Bengals had happened to

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 1>have like a five time pro bowler that wore the

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 1>number sixty seven, that might have been a little Yeah,

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:10.640
<v Speaker 1>it would Yeah, it would have been tough. I think

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 1>I would have had to we still we had to

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.880
<v Speaker 1>negotiate a song, but it worse case the words I

0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>probably would have when I got to know. Thankfully it

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't come to that. Yeah. You posted a picture recently

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:28.319
<v Speaker 1>of a beautiful watch, a diamond studded gold watch. Are

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 1>you a big watch guy? I only got one watch,

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.040
<v Speaker 1>and I just like, I just liked the high it

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:36.920
<v Speaker 1>was and like my juror guy like he'd do a

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 1>good job and it looked nice. So I just I

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:43.719
<v Speaker 1>just got one. You only need one when it looks

0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 1>that good. What do you like to spend your money on? See,

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:50.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm a big family guy man. I like to take

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 1>care of my like my guys, like who started the

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:57.360
<v Speaker 1>dream of playing in the NFL, like, let's living the

0:35:57.920 --> 0:36:00.839
<v Speaker 1>lifestyle of the NFL that can't live us. So like

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:03.840
<v Speaker 1>I lost my I lost my one of my best friends.

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 1>He passed, and this was like this wasn't never my

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:10.239
<v Speaker 1>dream though it was his dream when he was young

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>and elementary, Like I never know I was gonna have

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:15.759
<v Speaker 1>a chance to go to the NFL. But with me

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 1>going through high school and my coach told me that

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<v Speaker 1>he can get me to college. And then when I

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<v Speaker 1>was in college, my my my homeboy passed, So I

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 1>felt like I'm gonna finish. I'm gonna finish it off

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 1>like this is with his dream. So I said, I'm

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.279
<v Speaker 1>just go ahead and play for him. So that's why

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 1>I really, I really went to the LFL for him

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.359
<v Speaker 1>because it was his dream. He loved football, His dad

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:41.839
<v Speaker 1>was elementary football coach and all that stuff. So I

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 1>just knew that he wanted to do this and he

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:47.840
<v Speaker 1>couldn't be able to do it. Quentin, for several years,

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:51.319
<v Speaker 1>you posted a free football camp for kids back home

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 1>in Petersburg. Why do you do it? I do that

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 1>because something like where I'm from his heart, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably like one percent of athletes who make it out

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 1>of Petersburg with Jaane, like because it's either they go

0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>through the drug process or they get killed, go to

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:10.879
<v Speaker 1>jail something like that. So it's hard like to make

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:13.840
<v Speaker 1>it out of Petersburg with James. So when I like

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:16.920
<v Speaker 1>when I was growing up, nobody I've never seen nobody

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:19.480
<v Speaker 1>to come back there to do counts for kids who

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 1>can't afford four camps and see what it takes to

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>make it to the next level, like technique and like

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. So I do it free. So that's

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:33.440
<v Speaker 1>what reason, man, reason why I come back to my

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 1>hometown to do a free count for kids, Like I

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:40.120
<v Speaker 1>want to show them that I made it and then

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 1>forget about home. So it's anything impossible. You can get

0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>out Petersburg. You don't gotta stay in Petersburg. You can

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 1>go somewhere. So I do that with the kids. Like

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:53.879
<v Speaker 1>sometimes the young kids, I just feel bad, so I'd

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:56.280
<v Speaker 1>be had bouncing house for they keep the young kids

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 1>because you know that the attention span is low, so

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 1>that age group I let them play around with like

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:06.200
<v Speaker 1>that parents who overdare with them, and then the older

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:09.360
<v Speaker 1>kid we just do drills and then seven on seven

0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:13.560
<v Speaker 1>and let them have fun in recognition of your generosity.

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 1>The mayor of your hometown proclaimed July first, twenty seventeen,

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Quentin Spain Day. What's it like for your hometown to

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:29.319
<v Speaker 1>give you a day? I didn't know anything about it

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 1>when when I was at my camp when they gave me,

0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 1>they gave me the day, and they gave me the

0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:37.799
<v Speaker 1>key to my city. So that was big, Like I'm

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 1>like a key to the city. That that's like. That

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:44.000
<v Speaker 1>mean people recognize what I'm doing out here and what

0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:46.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing for the community, and that was big time

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 1>for me. I will never forget that day though. All Right,

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:52.600
<v Speaker 1>a couple more fun facts for Quentin Spain. Who is

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 1>the greatest athlete in any sport? I'm had to go

0:38:56.760 --> 0:39:02.839
<v Speaker 1>my hometown Moses more Loan from your high school. Yeah,

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.160
<v Speaker 1>all right, I like that answer. We haven't had Moses

0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Malone before. Last question, If you could meet anybody in history, athlete, entertainer, statesman, whatever,

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:19.440
<v Speaker 1>who would that person be. If I can meet anybody

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:25.279
<v Speaker 1>in person, it would be it would be Denzel Denzel Washington. Yeah,

0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 1>love his movies. Yeah, training be all that training days great.

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:37.399
<v Speaker 1>That's my favorite Denzel role because he plays a bad guy. Yeah.

0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:39.840
<v Speaker 1>I feel like every movie was like, yeah, it was

0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good movie. All Right, you're off the hot seat.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate your time, best of luck the rest of

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:48.520
<v Speaker 1>this year. Thank you. Here's a quick reminder to join

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