Speaker 1: Hi again everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading
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Speaker 1: bad Blood. Addition, as the Bengals and Dolphins lose their
Speaker 1: tempers before the Bengals lose the game nineteen to seven.
Speaker 1: Coming up, you'll hear radio replays from Sunday's loss, postgame
Speaker 1: comments from Zach Taylor, and in depth analysis from Dave Lapham.
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Speaker 1: Now let's get to Sunday's game. On an eighty one
Speaker 1: degree day in Miami, the Bengals scored first late in
Speaker 1: the first quarter when Tyler Boyd took a short pass
Speaker 1: from Brandon Allen and turned it into the longest play
Speaker 1: of his NFL career. Third down in two, Cincinnati from
Speaker 1: their own twenty eight yard line. Allen, in the shotgun
Speaker 1: against the snap, throws quick boy down the side, cross midfield,
Speaker 1: met them bowing it you go all the way, cuts
Speaker 1: inside of the table and sits into the end zone.
Speaker 1: Touchdown Tyler Boyd touchdown, Cincinnati seventy two yards. Unfortunately, it
Speaker 1: was Boyd's only catch of the day. The Bengals had
Speaker 1: a seven to three lead with about a minute to
Speaker 1: go in the first half and had the ball at
Speaker 1: the Miami twenty yard line on third down in ten.
Speaker 1: They knew that even if they couldn't get a first down,
Speaker 1: they were well within easy field goal range for Randy
Speaker 1: Bullock in the shotgun. Allen gets the football looks right now.
Speaker 1: He rolls fires toward the sideline and it's too high,
Speaker 1: incomplete and a little extra push on boy a swipe
Speaker 1: by Howard, and it continues on the sideline just outside
Speaker 1: the fifteen yard line. That swite could easily be a
Speaker 1: fifteen yard penalty. It would be half the distance to
Speaker 1: the goal here. And the referees are talking this over,
Speaker 1: but no flags yet. Zach Taylor's ran down there at
Speaker 1: the officially, so are you kidding me? You didn't see
Speaker 1: him swat Tyler Boyd in the face mask. He took
Speaker 1: a shot at him. He took a left handed punch
Speaker 1: out him, took a swat because Tyler Boyd gets up,
Speaker 1: goes face mask to face mask, he swats at him
Speaker 1: with the left hand and then comes back at him again.
Speaker 1: So Zach Taylor saw that. Zach Taylor saying where's the flag?
Speaker 1: He's doing a play by playing the officials ear and
Speaker 1: finally the flag comes in and are they going to
Speaker 1: penalize the Bengals bench? Oh, they're gonna call it him
Speaker 1: the Bengals. That makes it a more interesting field goal,
Speaker 1: it sure does. Let's unpack what happened. Tyler Boyd got
Speaker 1: pushed in the back late when he was going out
Speaker 1: of bounds. He took exception and got up and said
Speaker 1: something face mask to face mask to Dolphin's cornerback Xavian Howard.
Speaker 1: Howard threw a punch that didn't really connect. Boyd retaliated
Speaker 1: with a punch that also didn't really connect. The game
Speaker 1: officials apparently only saw the retaliation punch and hit Boyd
Speaker 1: with a fifteen yard penalty, but the replay officials watching
Speaker 1: in New York saw both punches and ejected Boyd and Howard.
Speaker 1: And even though they saw Howard throw the first punch,
Speaker 1: the crew in New York can only rule on ejections.
Speaker 1: They cannot ask the officials on site to throw another penalty.
Speaker 1: Flag that turned a thirty eight yard field goal attempt
Speaker 1: by Bullock into a fifty three yard try. Clark Harris
Speaker 1: the snap, Huber to hold off the left. Hash looking
Speaker 1: in now getting the snap, it's high place down Bell
Speaker 1: and Wine Lord wide of the post wide left. You
Speaker 1: just knew what was going to happen after that, right,
Speaker 1: The Dolphins picked up a couple of first downs and
Speaker 1: kicked a forty eight yard field goal on the final
Speaker 1: play of the half. To make it Cincinnati seven Miami six.
Speaker 1: The Bengals had the lead, but it sure didn't feel
Speaker 1: like it, and sure enough, the second half was thoroughly
Speaker 1: dominated by the Dolphins. Three receivers set with smythe motioning
Speaker 1: talking about Lowa takes throws back of the end zone,
Speaker 1: it is Cark Gisicky back of the end zone over
Speaker 1: Sims for eight Dolphins touchdown. That touchdown passed to Mike Kasicki,
Speaker 1: and a field goal by Jason Sanders gave Miami a
Speaker 1: sixteen seven lead going to the final quarter. In the
Speaker 1: third quarter, the Bengals had minus four yards of offense.
Speaker 1: Here's Zach Taylor, there's a third quarter in the Nut Show,
Speaker 1: you know. And they came out and had three straight
Speaker 1: scorn drives, and we had some three and outs, And
Speaker 1: I gotta put our guys in a better position, too.
Speaker 1: We gotta make some plays that are there. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, I gotta be accountable for
Speaker 1: them and put us in some better spots. But you know,
Speaker 1: we played the game how we expected to be playing
Speaker 1: the first half, and then weren't good enough in the
Speaker 1: third quarter, and that's where I got away. Miami added
Speaker 1: a field goal early in the fourth to make it
Speaker 1: nineteen seven, and while the Dolphins didn't score again, things
Speaker 1: got much worse. First, Jonah Williams suffered a knee injury
Speaker 1: and was taken off the field on a cart. On
Speaker 1: the very next play, Mike Thomas hit punt returner Jachim
Speaker 1: Grant before he had a chance to catch the ball,
Speaker 1: drawing a catch interference penalty. Earlier in the game, Thomas
Speaker 1: was penalized for unnecessary roughness for another hit on Grant
Speaker 1: that caused Dolphins players and coaches to come charging off
Speaker 1: the field from their sideline, leading to three more ejections
Speaker 1: for fighting, Devonte Parker and Mac Hollins for Miami and
Speaker 1: Sean Williams for the Bengals. After the games, Zach Taylor
Speaker 1: defended Mike Thomas for the two hits on Grant that
Speaker 1: resulted in penalties. Oh, we'll watch the first one first
Speaker 1: of all, and then the second one. He got there
Speaker 1: a little too soon. I mean, that's that's obvious. We
Speaker 1: know that. But again that that returner is a heck
Speaker 1: for returner. That's the number one point returner unit in
Speaker 1: the league. He does not fair to catch the ball,
Speaker 1: you know, And so you've got to put pressure on him.
Speaker 1: Of course, we don't want to do it before before
Speaker 1: the catch point. We want to play within the rules.
Speaker 1: But our guys were playing hard. It was unfortunate. You
Speaker 1: hope he's fine, but again there's no will will there
Speaker 1: by Mike Thomas, I can promise you that he's just
Speaker 1: he's just being a gunner and trying to go down
Speaker 1: there and make a play. The rest of the game
Speaker 1: was basically an assault on Bengals quarterbacks. Brandon Allen got
Speaker 1: sacked five times and had to be helped off the
Speaker 1: field with about seven and a half minutes to go. Fortunately,
Speaker 1: he only had the win knocked out of him. Ryan
Speaker 1: Finley came in and promptly got sacked on his second
Speaker 1: play as Miami finished with six sacks and eleven quarterback hits.
Speaker 1: The Bengals managed just twenty five yards of offense in
Speaker 1: the second half as the Dolphins scored the game's final
Speaker 1: nineteen points in a nineteen seven win. Oh. I think
Speaker 1: our guys got put him some tough spots, you know.
Speaker 1: And you know those are two core guys that got
Speaker 1: keeped out of the game, Sean Williams and and Tyler
Speaker 1: Boyd you know, and again, we don't ever want that.
Speaker 1: We don't ever want to throw a point. We need
Speaker 1: those guys. We're counting on those guys, and everyone's got
Speaker 1: to maintain their composure, myself included. So we just got
Speaker 1: to look at what happened. But but it was I know,
Speaker 1: they were both very frustrated with what was going on,
Speaker 1: you know, and Sean got hurt there on a blindside
Speaker 1: block and TV like you got hit way laid out
Speaker 1: of a ounce, you know. And so but again we
Speaker 1: got to maintain our composure and be better than that.
Speaker 1: What did you tell you football team after the game?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm proud of the effort they gave, you know,
Speaker 1: and they they're playing hard and had some calls go
Speaker 1: against them, you know that that we'll have to look
Speaker 1: at it, to be quite frank, But um, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought our guys were playing hard and got putting
Speaker 1: a tough spot there. The Dolphins are eight and four
Speaker 1: and a half game behind the Bills in the AFC East.
Speaker 1: Those two teams meet in the final game of the
Speaker 1: regular season. The Bengals are two nine and one and
Speaker 1: currently have the third pick in next year's draft. Now
Speaker 1: time for postgame analysis with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham.
Speaker 1: All Right, lap nineteen seven the final score in Miami today.
Speaker 1: My question is who had a worse day, Ron Torbert's
Speaker 1: officiating crew or the Bengals O line point. That's a
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I'll tell you what. The league
Speaker 1: can't be happy. I mean, the officiating crew lost control
Speaker 1: of that football game and they had a terrible day.
Speaker 1: They really did trying to figure out, you know, who
Speaker 1: to assess penalties on, who to eject. I mean, the
Speaker 1: league office had to get involved, obviously, and I've never
Speaker 1: ever been in a football game there was where there
Speaker 1: was a twenty to twenty five minute delay regarding that
Speaker 1: who to penalize, who to eject. Unbelievable. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just people don't tune in by television or radio to
Speaker 1: listen or hear or watch officials having basically a conference
Speaker 1: of stripe jersey. It was ridiculous. And the ejection of
Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd and the penalty late in the first half
Speaker 1: was huge. They missed the fact that he got shoved
Speaker 1: in the back out of bounds. That should have been
Speaker 1: a penalty. Yea, he gets up, gets in somebody's face.
Speaker 1: The first swipe was taken by the opponent, he swipes back,
Speaker 1: he gets a fifteen yard penalty. So that's a mistake.
Speaker 1: They both get a ejected and shouldn't have been. That
Speaker 1: was just totally mishandled by the officials. Like Marv Levy said,
Speaker 1: they were all a bunch of overly officious jerks. It
Speaker 1: was ridiculous because, you know, New York got involved with
Speaker 1: the ejections, and New York got overly excited about doing
Speaker 1: something to try to take control of the game that
Speaker 1: the officials had lost control of. I think I think
Speaker 1: they saw that it was starting to get pretty or
Speaker 1: very chippy, very nasty potentially, and they tried to put
Speaker 1: a fork in it as such. But the fact that
Speaker 1: New York couldn't do anything about the fact that they
Speaker 1: blew the call. They can't assess penalties that officials miss
Speaker 1: on the field of play. That would open up the
Speaker 1: can of worms. Every single play would be asked to
Speaker 1: be reviewed to see if there was holding on the
Speaker 1: left tackle, if there was an illegal chuck on the cornerback.
Speaker 1: I mean, they couldn't play the game, so they couldn't
Speaker 1: rectify the mistake that was made by Tyler Boyd being
Speaker 1: the guy that responds to being pushed. They missed totally
Speaker 1: why he was instigated to do what he did. All
Speaker 1: they saw was him retaliate, and it's ridiculous what took
Speaker 1: place there. And Zach Taylor was going nuts because he
Speaker 1: saw the whole thing as he was going down the
Speaker 1: sideline and certainly could not change the officials' minds whatsoever.
Speaker 1: So technically the game got away in the third quarter,
Speaker 1: but I really thought that final sequence in the second
Speaker 1: quarter swung the game. That's how I felt watching it.
Speaker 1: One oh eight left in the second quarter, the Bengals
Speaker 1: have the lead. They've got it first and ten at
Speaker 1: the Miami twenty. You think, worst case scenario, they're going
Speaker 1: to kick a field goal and have a ten to
Speaker 1: three lead at the half. Instead of having, you know,
Speaker 1: what should have been a relative chip shot, like a
Speaker 1: thirty eight yard field goal, it becomes a fifty three
Speaker 1: yard attempt that Bullock misses, gives the Dolphins good field position,
Speaker 1: and they kick a forty eight yard field goal as
Speaker 1: the half expires to make it a seven sixth game.
Speaker 1: That was a huge swing. It was, it was, and
Speaker 1: I think the Bengals went into locker room feeling it.
Speaker 1: So they came back out in the third quarter, went
Speaker 1: two and out, three and out in their two possessions
Speaker 1: in the third quarter, and then they went three and
Speaker 1: out in the first possession of the fourth quarter. Three
Speaker 1: straight three and outs, and on those twelve snaps they
Speaker 1: had zero yards, three plays for six yards, three place
Speaker 1: for minus ten yards, three place for minus one yards,
Speaker 1: minus five total. So in a in a let's see,
Speaker 1: in a five possession sequence, they had four three and outs,
Speaker 1: twelve plays, no yards in those in those in those possessions,
Speaker 1: those five possessions, that is brutal. That's ending the first
Speaker 1: half and starting the second half with nothing going on.
Speaker 1: I mean they had on the drive you talked about
Speaker 1: whether they missed the field goal, they had six first downs.
Speaker 1: On the other nine drives, they had six first downs
Speaker 1: total the other nine drives, and on the one drive
Speaker 1: where they missed a fifty three yard they had six
Speaker 1: verset downs, eleven plays, forty three yards root canal surgery.
Speaker 1: I mean, they just can't make any plays. They really can't.
Speaker 1: Seventy two yard touchdown, Tyler Boyd, you know, basically you
Speaker 1: had a misplay by the defensive back sample does a
Speaker 1: good job of blocking one. The other one just tries
Speaker 1: to run underneath the plane and catch it from behind
Speaker 1: instead of going over the top. And when he ran
Speaker 1: underneath it, Tyler Board out ran him to the sideline
Speaker 1: and it was, you know, six points at that point,
Speaker 1: it was six city. The Bengals ran a total of
Speaker 1: fifty plays, so that one went for seventy two the
Speaker 1: other forty nine went for un excuse me, one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty four yards. That's two point five per snap.
Speaker 1: Like you say, root canal surgery. Just a dreadful showing.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's tough when you lose your starting quarterback,
Speaker 1: but that's happened to a lot of teams. Typically your
Speaker 1: offense is not as good, that's to be understood. But
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be this bad, really shouldn't, I get you know,
Speaker 1: you compound it with the fact that Joe Mixon, you know,
Speaker 1: the Joe Show is done. The two Joe's only played together,
Speaker 1: what four game games maybe Dan possibly five, I can't
Speaker 1: remember the exact number, but it wasn't very long. And uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's this football team, both both the Bengals and
Speaker 1: and the Miami Dolphins. Their numbers were very similar. They
Speaker 1: had run it for about ninety five and ninety six
Speaker 1: yards and given up about one hundred and thirty And
Speaker 1: they both were giving up four point eight yards per
Speaker 1: play in the running game. And they're running it for
Speaker 1: about you know, three point six yards, you know, three
Speaker 1: point six to three point eight. So who was going
Speaker 1: to run it and who was going to stop the run?
Speaker 1: The Bengals running game was non existent against the defense
Speaker 1: the teams had run the ball against pretty well. You know,
Speaker 1: they hit the sea gap, they hit the off tackle
Speaker 1: gap when they went to that bare front and covered
Speaker 1: the center on both guards, and teams hit that and
Speaker 1: abused it pretty well. In the first half, they showed
Speaker 1: some signs, you know, they were finishing runs pretty well.
Speaker 1: P Ryan finished the couple, Giovanni finished a couple, and
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, maybe they'll be able to stay with him,
Speaker 1: be persistent with the running game and grinds it out
Speaker 1: a little bit. And then that's just evaporated. You know,
Speaker 1: that went away, and it's amazing. As soon as the
Speaker 1: team gets up more than a score on the Bengals,
Speaker 1: it's over. It's over. They can't they can't run the football,
Speaker 1: the pass protection is they get overpowered and dominated six sacks,
Speaker 1: five of them in the second half. You know that
Speaker 1: Basically Miami started to run away with the game. They
Speaker 1: scored on four straight possessions, the last possession the field
Speaker 1: goal we talked about in the first half, then touchdown
Speaker 1: field goal, field goal in the first three possessions of
Speaker 1: the second half. Ball game, and uh, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: tough to watch it. Defensively, again, they played pretty solidly.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jesse Bates is having he had thirteen tackles,
Speaker 1: ten of them on assisted and punch the ball out
Speaker 1: and Von Bell recovers it. The Killer Bees are playing
Speaker 1: well at the safety position, and the last two opponents
Speaker 1: have scored nineteen points and the offense cannot even you know,
Speaker 1: come close to make it making it a competitive football game.
Speaker 1: In today's NFL, nineteen points should not win you a
Speaker 1: football game by two scores. It just shouldn't. I thought
Speaker 1: Bates really stood out today because not only did he
Speaker 1: have all those tackles, but he wasn't like making the
Speaker 1: last line of defense tackles fifteen twenty yards downfield. He
Speaker 1: was up in the box stopping guys repeatedly close to
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. Yeah, and when receptions were made,
Speaker 1: the journey was over. There was no yards after catch.
Speaker 1: I mean he was he was physical. I mean he
Speaker 1: was he was into it. And honestly, I think that
Speaker 1: he's going to get a lot of votes for the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl because his play. I think Lawrence it plus
Speaker 1: the fact that he's trying to ignite his football team.
Speaker 1: His team is not a good football team, particularly offensively,
Speaker 1: and he's trying to lift his entire defense, you know,
Speaker 1: to stay competitive and keep the football team in games.
Speaker 1: So I think League Y he's getting a lot of
Speaker 1: respect for that, and he was effusive in the praise.
Speaker 1: Was florries about Jesse based before the football game during
Speaker 1: the week during the Zoom call that he had the
Speaker 1: conference call on Wednesday, and Jesse did look him up
Speaker 1: before the game and thank them for words. And if
Speaker 1: you have a guy who knows what he's looking at
Speaker 1: from a defensive football perspective. Given the kind of compliments,
Speaker 1: the Flowery compliments they were thrown out there, Flores was
Speaker 1: thrown up their debates, that means something to League. So
Speaker 1: the Jonas Williams situation was awful. TV coverage only showed
Speaker 1: it once, similar to the Joe Burrow situation. Looked like
Speaker 1: Bobby Harts guy inadvertently crashed into the leg of Jonah Williams,
Speaker 1: causing the injury. Again on the TV coverage, they only
Speaker 1: mentioned that he was taken off on a cart. We
Speaker 1: didn't see it. None of that would appear to bode
Speaker 1: well in my opinion. Now, they called for the card
Speaker 1: very quickly. He never moved, you know, they just just
Speaker 1: went right down to the knee. I mean, he knew
Speaker 1: obviously right away. And I remember that happened to me
Speaker 1: one time, and I was fortunate in that I tore cartilage,
Speaker 1: tore meniscus cartilage and tour it pretty well. There was
Speaker 1: a big you know, the meniscus is like a horse
Speaker 1: shoe underneath your kneecap, underneath the matella, and I had
Speaker 1: a big, huge ripping in the meniscus and it was locked,
Speaker 1: locking my knee up. I couldn't bend my leg. But
Speaker 1: they carved it out of there with with you know,
Speaker 1: the surgery, the scope, arthurscopic surgery when in there, chopped
Speaker 1: it up, sucked it out of there, and I was
Speaker 1: able to play. Literally, I played the following Sunday. So
Speaker 1: that was a you know, not a not a terrible procedure,
Speaker 1: but a lot of times when you get you get
Speaker 1: hit like that from the side or behind, it can
Speaker 1: lead to some significant damage. And the fact that he
Speaker 1: didn't even try to get up and walk off the
Speaker 1: field is not a good indicator. Bobby Hart had a
Speaker 1: tough day. Looked like Michael Jordan had a really tough day.
Speaker 1: Xavier sue of Philo is off the injured list. Do
Speaker 1: you think Michael Jordan gets another opportunity to watch from
Speaker 1: the sideline and we see the return of Xavier Suafilo
Speaker 1: to the starting lineup. I would think so. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, if Redmond's able to come back, what do
Speaker 1: you do do you go with? You go with Spain
Speaker 1: and Suafilo, Redmond and Suafilo. You know, it's it's interesting
Speaker 1: what they might do inside there. But I do think
Speaker 1: I think right now Michael Jordan has got a confidence issue.
Speaker 1: I think that you know, he's he realizes that in
Speaker 1: his mind, maybe I shouldn't be playing, maybe I'm not
Speaker 1: ready to play. And you can't compete in the national
Speaker 1: football if you go out there with doubt in your mind.
Speaker 1: If you don't think that you're going to be able
Speaker 1: to get the job done, there's not a snowball's chance
Speaker 1: in hell you're gonna get the job done, bottom line period.
Speaker 1: So until he, you know, gets that confidence back and
Speaker 1: starts to be consistent with his execution of performance on
Speaker 1: a snap by snap basis, you got to do something
Speaker 1: because van Noy, van Noy had three sacks. I respect
Speaker 1: van Noy as a football player. The guy is a
Speaker 1: stat sheets stuffer and he's very intelligent. And I mean
Speaker 1: when when the Dolphins suffer injury to Roberts, I thought,
Speaker 1: oh man, that's that's a that's a big loss right there.
Speaker 1: And Van Noy just picked it up and just made
Speaker 1: a bunch of plays for the Dolphins at the linebacker level.
Speaker 1: I mean, he stepped his game up big time. What
Speaker 1: do you think of Twah. I think that they they
Speaker 1: dumped it down a little bit offensively for TWA. I
Speaker 1: don't think they give him a lot to have to
Speaker 1: concern himself with it. It's very effective. They employ like
Speaker 1: a motion person across the formation. He can you know,
Speaker 1: he can give him a little shovel pass to get
Speaker 1: an outside run. They do their zone read stuff with
Speaker 1: him and then play action off all of those looks,
Speaker 1: and it's pretty simple. It's pretty simple what they're asking
Speaker 1: them to do. And I think they call it and
Speaker 1: run it with Twa. I don't think he even looks
Speaker 1: to audibilize that the line of scrimmage. I think it's
Speaker 1: a call it and running scenario with chan Gaily and
Speaker 1: then obviously with Ryan Fitzpatrick in there, he has total
Speaker 1: latitude to change plays at the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 1: get him out of bad plays into better ones. But
Speaker 1: I do think too it is very, very conscious of
Speaker 1: not messing it up, don't turn it over, don't make
Speaker 1: a mistake that will cost his football team, because he
Speaker 1: knows his defense is outstanding, and he knows that the
Speaker 1: special teams are great as well. And offensively, just do
Speaker 1: what you need to do, take advantage of opportunities when
Speaker 1: they present themselves. Don't try to force and create opportunities.
Speaker 1: Don't try to do something that's not there and cause issues.
Speaker 1: And I think he had a stretch there where he
Speaker 1: was like I would think probably ten for twelve, one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty yards and a touchdown pass. He was
Speaker 1: pretty effective with that play action stuff, And I think
Speaker 1: I think both quarterbacks Dan are tough minded Fitzpatrick and
Speaker 1: two are both tough minded. Two has been coached hard
Speaker 1: his whole life. His dad just begin with and I
Speaker 1: you know, it's tough. I've seen father's coaching their sons
Speaker 1: and they're tough on their sons and anybody because they
Speaker 1: don't want to appear to be showing favoritism. And then
Speaker 1: you go to Nick Saban and probably his dad was
Speaker 1: a picnic before Nick Saban, you know. So now you
Speaker 1: go to Flores, who's another you know, stern taskmaster. So
Speaker 1: two is tough. Two is mentally tough, physically tough. And uh,
Speaker 1: I thought that he was patient, didn't try to didn't
Speaker 1: try to create something when it wasn't there. It's interesting
Speaker 1: to watch him, watch him perform, hasn't thrown an interception,
Speaker 1: He's got seven touchdown passes. Now, it's pretty nice. It
Speaker 1: is good. Miami coach Brian Flores lost his cool over
Speaker 1: though Mike Thomas hits on punt returner Jachem Grant. Did
Speaker 1: you think they were cheaper? You know? The thing is
Speaker 1: Grant doesn't signal fair catches. And I'm sure Darren was like, look,
Speaker 1: he's not going to fair catch it. Don't let him
Speaker 1: embarrass you, close the space, get right up on top
Speaker 1: of him as soon as he catches that football, put
Speaker 1: a hit on him. All Thomas took it a little
Speaker 1: a step further, obviously, And I know some people are
Speaker 1: are like a Paul that New York didn't throw Mike
Speaker 1: Thomas out of the game after having back to back
Speaker 1: punt returns that way. The thing my question is, how
Speaker 1: the hell does Flores not even get penalized running across
Speaker 1: the field and leading the whole bench to the Bengal sideline.
Speaker 1: Now New York can say, well, a coach can go
Speaker 1: on the field if he's a peacemaker. Peacemaker my butt.
Speaker 1: Flores was ready to go. He was he was going
Speaker 1: to get after people on the Bengal sideline and von
Speaker 1: Bell held him back. He wasn't out there as a peacemaker.
Speaker 1: He was going nuts. So you know, if they say,
Speaker 1: how come Thomas wasn't injected, how come Flores wasn't at
Speaker 1: least penalized or even ejected. You can't go out in
Speaker 1: the football field like that in that manner as a coach,
Speaker 1: not only as a head coach, an assistant coach. But
Speaker 1: second time I've seen it happen in the meltdown in
Speaker 1: the playoffs Pittsburgh as Cincinnati Joey Porter was out in
Speaker 1: the field proden Vantes Berfort and Adam Jones. So I've
Speaker 1: seen it before with an assistant coach out there on
Speaker 1: the football field when he shouldn't have been. But I've
Speaker 1: never seen a head coach charged the opposite sideline and
Speaker 1: leader brigade of guys from his sideline across the field
Speaker 1: like that. And there's no repercussion about it whatsoever? What's
Speaker 1: that about it? I don't understand that one we know
Speaker 1: who he was pointing and gesturing toward. Was it a coach?
Speaker 1: Was it Mike Thomas? Do we know who he was
Speaker 1: directing his anger at. I'm not sure. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: he was. He was screaming and yelling at somebody. And
Speaker 1: I would like to have been a fly on the
Speaker 1: wall when he and Zach Taylor shook hands after the
Speaker 1: game and Zach was asked at the zoom, you know
Speaker 1: what was talked about him? So we'll just keep that
Speaker 1: between us, he said, but we're good. But there was
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a Bengal assistant coach or
Speaker 1: somebody else in the organization. Somebody was down on the
Speaker 1: sides and was getting trampled. Yeah, I mean it's like, man,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't you can't have those kind of things.
Speaker 1: That's and that's an ugly scene right there. And the
Speaker 1: National Football League I think that not only are there
Speaker 1: going to be ejections, they're gonna be fines. Players are
Speaker 1: going to be lighter in the pocketbook. If I'm the NFL.
Speaker 1: If they don't find Floras, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: hell of fine? What act would cause a fine to occur?
Speaker 1: And I'm sure Russ will pick it up. The billionaire
Speaker 1: owner will probably pick up Floors. Is fine, but the
Speaker 1: league has to do something. They can't allow coaches to
Speaker 1: run across the football field like that and help incite,
Speaker 1: you know, things that might get out of control. They
Speaker 1: lost total control of that game every way you can
Speaker 1: lose control of it. Brandon Allen left with seven twenty
Speaker 1: three to go, helped off the field by the medical staff.
Speaker 1: After the game, he said he just had the win
Speaker 1: knocked out of them. So should we assume that he'll
Speaker 1: be back as the starter next week? What do you
Speaker 1: think I think there's a good chance he fell on
Speaker 1: top of the football. I saw that, you know, on
Speaker 1: the one replayers got a good angle of it, and
Speaker 1: I've seen that before, and I seen it where it
Speaker 1: can crack ribs. I mean literally, if you fall on
Speaker 1: that football right, you can have a you know, a
Speaker 1: crack or one of the most painful injuries I ever had.
Speaker 1: I recovered a fumble and guys fell on top of
Speaker 1: me and I was right on top of the ball
Speaker 1: and had nowhere to go, and I tore cartilage between
Speaker 1: my ribs and my rib kidge and oh my gosh, man,
Speaker 1: if you sneeze, cough, anything, it's like, I think I
Speaker 1: might have preferred to crack a rib then tear cartilage
Speaker 1: between the ribs. It was. It was very, very painful,
Speaker 1: and there wasn't much movement you could do. And they
Speaker 1: put a flat jacket on to protect it from further damage,
Speaker 1: but it was already damaged. Man. That was. That was
Speaker 1: a tough few weeks there, and it almost takes your
Speaker 1: breath away when you move the wrong way. You feel
Speaker 1: that big sharp pain and you know you almost lose
Speaker 1: your breath. So he's it all depends on how serious
Speaker 1: that injury is. And if it's if it's a problem
Speaker 1: obviously and you can't practice and get ready for you know,
Speaker 1: the game against Dallas, Hogan comes to the rescue and
Speaker 1: I maybe they signed Sergeant Schultz to back them up.
Speaker 1: I don't know, they need another body back there at quarterback.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're gonna do. Nice hole again
Speaker 1: reference speaking of painful two nine and one, four twenty
Speaker 1: three and one since the beginning of last year, just
Speaker 1: a brutal two years stretched, no other way to describe it. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And they only have one more chance to win a
Speaker 1: road game. I mean they could go over the road
Speaker 1: other than a tie, don't have a W and man,
Speaker 1: that would be a tough, tough stretch. Obviously, they got
Speaker 1: one more shot when they go down to Houston to
Speaker 1: get that road w in the way Shaun Watson's playing,
Speaker 1: and then that won't be an easy cast down there either,
Speaker 1: And they've got JJ Watt. Everybody's got players. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it is. It's brutal, and um, you know,
Speaker 1: you see the thing is they're playing hard. Dan In
Speaker 1: my estimation, te Higgins is trying to up up and
Speaker 1: away jump over a guy and make a play. I
Speaker 1: asked him in the zoom after the game. You know,
Speaker 1: in hindsight, would you do that again? Yeah, I'm a playmaker.
Speaker 1: I got to try and make place for my football team.
Speaker 1: So guys are selling out and they're not worried about
Speaker 1: the potential effects on their bodies. But they're just not
Speaker 1: playing smart. You know, there's just honestly, they're just not
Speaker 1: playing smart. In a lot of cases, they're just not
Speaker 1: good enough, you know. And effort is great, but if
Speaker 1: you're not good enough, effort rings hollow after a while.
Speaker 1: And right now, the fans and everybody involved with the
Speaker 1: football team, it's just starving for wins man. They got
Speaker 1: to got to try to find a win or two
Speaker 1: somewhere as they close it out in the last month.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you doing this seeing a couple of days. Look
Speaker 1: forward to it. Be good to see you Dan face
Speaker 1: to face instead of by zoom or by voice. Indeed,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks, you know. Man up next three turn
Speaker 1: of Andy Dalton as the Dallas Cowboys come to Paul
Speaker 1: Brown Stadium next week. Dallas is three and eight and
Speaker 1: has to play on Tuesday in Baltimore. The Bengals Booth
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Speaker 1: this week's fun Facts segment, where you get to know
Speaker 1: the person under the pads. Time for some fun facts
Speaker 1: with offensive linemen Quentin Spain from Petersburg, Virginia, the birthplace
Speaker 1: of one of the greatest Bengals running backs of all time,
Speaker 1: Rudy Johnson. What was young Quentin Spain into growing up
Speaker 1: in Petersburg? I was into basketball and football, and I
Speaker 1: did I try a shot foot Well, I just went
Speaker 1: to the Tratton meet just to see the people run
Speaker 1: one hundred and two hundred in the full ball one Ruth, Quentin,
Speaker 1: you are a large man. Were you always the biggest
Speaker 1: kid growing up? Yes, I was the biggest kid growing
Speaker 1: up in high school. I was the biggest kid in
Speaker 1: the middle school too. Elementary I was playing running back elementary,
Speaker 1: I played running back in quarterback. I'm glad you mentioned
Speaker 1: playing running back because there's footage of you on the
Speaker 1: internet playing high school basketball, and that's good. But there's
Speaker 1: footage of you as a high school fullback and that
Speaker 1: is phenomenal. You look like Godzilla carrying tiny people on
Speaker 1: your shoulders. How much fun was it for you to
Speaker 1: play fullback in high school? It was great, Like the
Speaker 1: Cloch believed in me and he gave me the rock,
Speaker 1: so he had faith in me. So and I enjoyed it,
Speaker 1: like I was Tyler blogging at the game, so he
Speaker 1: made it fun fund me, Like when we got into
Speaker 1: the red zone, he tamed me in the back. So
Speaker 1: we're doing fun facts with Quentin Spain. You attended West
Speaker 1: Virginia University, which has a history of developing good offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Why did you choose WVU now to West Virginia because
Speaker 1: I had to go to summer school because I was
Speaker 1: a credit short. When I was a summer school, West
Speaker 1: Virginia stuck with man told me like, whenever you get
Speaker 1: dumbed there, it's come up. So I came to West Virginia.
Speaker 1: I was a week week in the hell behind the camp,
Speaker 1: so they reres certain and I just I caught on
Speaker 1: and see how thing was going, and then I just
Speaker 1: took off the year after that. What was the best
Speaker 1: part of your college experience? Everything about college we're chatting
Speaker 1: with Quentin Spain. Your Twitter profile says mister undrafted, which
Speaker 1: is a reference, unfortunately to what happened in the NFL draft.
Speaker 1: How much did that hurt? They heard a lot like
Speaker 1: it heard being around, like having your family having a
Speaker 1: little draft party, and didn't hear your name call, and
Speaker 1: you projected to go first round when you came back
Speaker 1: your last ship my last year in the same year
Speaker 1: college project the first round and it's slipped to undrafted.
Speaker 1: So I just I carried the name. I said, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call my something stunt drafted, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: prove everybody, every team wrong who didn't want to pick them.
Speaker 1: Has anybody ever explained why you weren't drafted. Nobody never
Speaker 1: told me why I wan't drive. So that's in the
Speaker 1: past though. So I just used the motivation and I figured,
Speaker 1: like once I make like I knew I could make
Speaker 1: a team. It's just I just had to pick a
Speaker 1: team will fit for me. And I picked Tennessee at
Speaker 1: a time they need alignment. So I figured, if I
Speaker 1: come in there and do what I had to do,
Speaker 1: I can make the team. And so when I got
Speaker 1: the when I didn't get the phone call from being cut,
Speaker 1: then my agent called me and said I made a team.
Speaker 1: It brought a big smile on my face, and I said,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not over. Yeah, I made a team,
Speaker 1: but I feel like I can be a starter. So
Speaker 1: I just kept working. And then when I became a starter,
Speaker 1: I just took off right there. Quentin, while you were
Speaker 1: with Tennessee and playing in Nashville, you attended to Nashville
Speaker 1: Predators NHL playoff where you fired up the crowd by
Speaker 1: doing what take it off my shirt and chugging beard
Speaker 1: with the rush of the offensive line and holding catfishes.
Speaker 1: All right, let's break this down and let's start with
Speaker 1: taking off your shirt. How did the crowd react to that? First?
Speaker 1: Lawan said, all right, we gotta we gotta. Whatever we do,
Speaker 1: it gotta it. Gotta break the internet, it gotta worldwide.
Speaker 1: So we would thank you. He said, all right, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get I'm gonna bring the cat fishes. So
Speaker 1: we got to the game and he snucked the catfishes
Speaker 1: in like at first win, like we didn't know he
Speaker 1: gonna get the cat fishes. So he snucked the catfishes
Speaker 1: in the cooler. They let him slide because we went
Speaker 1: through the back and they let us in so we
Speaker 1: was in the press box. Luan said, all right, this
Speaker 1: is what we're gonna do. I want you to hold
Speaker 1: a catfish up over my faith and he'll gonna chug
Speaker 1: his beard from off the cat fish. So then everybody
Speaker 1: like Sprange just took off his shirts, just go crazy.
Speaker 1: So and I said, all right, let's go there. So
Speaker 1: then when they when it happened, we did it, and
Speaker 1: then it just went nationwide. It just blew up. Now
Speaker 1: like every hockey playoff game on the commercials, you will
Speaker 1: see us doing it. It's classic. I highly recommend checking
Speaker 1: out the photos out of the internet. Speaking of shirtless Quentin,
Speaker 1: on your Twitter profile at the top, you can see
Speaker 1: that you have a big tattoo on your back of
Speaker 1: the number sixty seven. So do you always have to
Speaker 1: make sure that you are number sixty seven on whatever
Speaker 1: team you play for? Yes? I do. And if you notice,
Speaker 1: I got missed on josted tat on my back too,
Speaker 1: like sixty seven under it as a jersey stop sixty
Speaker 1: seven was available in Cincinnati. What if it wasn't, I
Speaker 1: would I would have asked whoever had it can agreement?
Speaker 1: What do I have? Like would have came up with
Speaker 1: a plan something. There would have been some negotiating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was a rookie, it would have been it's
Speaker 1: just been a said every rookie, you just got to
Speaker 1: give it up. Ruck, He's got to give it up,
Speaker 1: no question about it. If the Bengals had happened to
Speaker 1: have like a five time pro bowler that wore the
Speaker 1: number sixty seven, that might have been a little Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would Yeah, it would have been tough. I think
Speaker 1: I would have had to we still we had to
Speaker 1: negotiate a song, but it worse case the words I
Speaker 1: probably would have when I got to know. Thankfully it
Speaker 1: didn't come to that. Yeah. You posted a picture recently
Speaker 1: of a beautiful watch, a diamond studded gold watch. Are
Speaker 1: you a big watch guy? I only got one watch,
Speaker 1: and I just like, I just liked the high it
Speaker 1: was and like my juror guy like he'd do a
Speaker 1: good job and it looked nice. So I just I
Speaker 1: just got one. You only need one when it looks
Speaker 1: that good. What do you like to spend your money on? See,
Speaker 1: I'm a big family guy man. I like to take
Speaker 1: care of my like my guys, like who started the
Speaker 1: dream of playing in the NFL, like, let's living the
Speaker 1: lifestyle of the NFL that can't live us. So like
Speaker 1: I lost my I lost my one of my best friends.
Speaker 1: He passed, and this was like this wasn't never my
Speaker 1: dream though it was his dream when he was young
Speaker 1: and elementary, Like I never know I was gonna have
Speaker 1: a chance to go to the NFL. But with me
Speaker 1: going through high school and my coach told me that
Speaker 1: he can get me to college. And then when I
Speaker 1: was in college, my my my homeboy passed, So I
Speaker 1: felt like I'm gonna finish. I'm gonna finish it off
Speaker 1: like this is with his dream. So I said, I'm
Speaker 1: just go ahead and play for him. So that's why
Speaker 1: I really, I really went to the LFL for him
Speaker 1: because it was his dream. He loved football, His dad
Speaker 1: was elementary football coach and all that stuff. So I
Speaker 1: just knew that he wanted to do this and he
Speaker 1: couldn't be able to do it. Quentin, for several years,
Speaker 1: you posted a free football camp for kids back home
Speaker 1: in Petersburg. Why do you do it? I do that
Speaker 1: because something like where I'm from his heart, it's it's
Speaker 1: probably like one percent of athletes who make it out
Speaker 1: of Petersburg with Jaane, like because it's either they go
Speaker 1: through the drug process or they get killed, go to
Speaker 1: jail something like that. So it's hard like to make
Speaker 1: it out of Petersburg with James. So when I like
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, nobody I've never seen nobody
Speaker 1: to come back there to do counts for kids who
Speaker 1: can't afford four camps and see what it takes to
Speaker 1: make it to the next level, like technique and like
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So I do it free. So that's
Speaker 1: what reason, man, reason why I come back to my
Speaker 1: hometown to do a free count for kids, Like I
Speaker 1: want to show them that I made it and then
Speaker 1: forget about home. So it's anything impossible. You can get
Speaker 1: out Petersburg. You don't gotta stay in Petersburg. You can
Speaker 1: go somewhere. So I do that with the kids. Like
Speaker 1: sometimes the young kids, I just feel bad, so I'd
Speaker 1: be had bouncing house for they keep the young kids
Speaker 1: because you know that the attention span is low, so
Speaker 1: that age group I let them play around with like
Speaker 1: that parents who overdare with them, and then the older
Speaker 1: kid we just do drills and then seven on seven
Speaker 1: and let them have fun in recognition of your generosity.
Speaker 1: The mayor of your hometown proclaimed July first, twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: Quentin Spain Day. What's it like for your hometown to
Speaker 1: give you a day? I didn't know anything about it
Speaker 1: when when I was at my camp when they gave me,
Speaker 1: they gave me the day, and they gave me the
Speaker 1: key to my city. So that was big, Like I'm
Speaker 1: like a key to the city. That that's like. That
Speaker 1: mean people recognize what I'm doing out here and what
Speaker 1: I'm doing for the community, and that was big time
Speaker 1: for me. I will never forget that day though. All Right,
Speaker 1: a couple more fun facts for Quentin Spain. Who is
Speaker 1: the greatest athlete in any sport? I'm had to go
Speaker 1: my hometown Moses more Loan from your high school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, I like that answer. We haven't had Moses
Speaker 1: Malone before. Last question, If you could meet anybody in history, athlete, entertainer, statesman, whatever,
Speaker 1: who would that person be. If I can meet anybody
Speaker 1: in person, it would be it would be Denzel Denzel Washington. Yeah,
Speaker 1: love his movies. Yeah, training be all that training days great.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite Denzel role because he plays a bad guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like every movie was like, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a pretty good movie. All Right, you're off the hot seat.
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time, best of luck the rest of
Speaker 1: this year. Thank you. Here's a quick reminder to join
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