1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Ka Boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: a week was enough, I think again. He's the last 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: remnants of the old Republic, a sole fashion of fairness. 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: He treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: the rich pill poppers in the penthouse the clearing House 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: of hot takes break free for something special. The Fifth 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: Hour with Ben Maller starts right now in the air 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: everywhere it is another weekend. We're kicking it off right 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: now on the Friday Friday Friday edition of The Fifth 10 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: Hour with Ben Maller and Danny g Back again. You 11 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: can't stop us from talking. There's always something to discuss. 12 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: And it's been a big week here in the sporting 13 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: world with the start of the silly season in the NFL. 14 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: And you know the mantra that I have had if 15 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: you listen to my yapping over my time at Fox, 16 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: and you know, I believe the better story is in 17 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: the losing locker room. And the biggest transaction in the 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: NFL for my money, dollar for dollar, was the trade 19 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: that sent Russell Willson out of Seattle and into Denver. 20 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: As Russ will be cooking in the mile high altitude 21 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: so the better story is in the losing locker room. Yeah, 22 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: that would be the Seattle locker room. As the Seahawks 23 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: are now heading into uncharted waters without a big time quarterbacks, 24 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: so they're gonna have to pivot on the fly. And 25 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: who better to get to the bottom of what's going 26 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: on in Seattle than the voice of sports talk radio 27 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: in Seattle When you think, at least for those of 28 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: us who work in the radio, because the people that 29 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: matter in Seattle sports ray, there's only one name that 30 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: really rises all the way up to the top, and 31 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,559 Speaker 1: that's Softy and a man who I often have been 32 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: accused of being related to that we are brothers from 33 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: another mother. And because it's Softy Maller and Ben Mallard, 34 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: and I've always been just we're gonna bring Softly on 35 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: right now. Softy, I've always been jealous that your surname, 36 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: while it's similar to mine, is pronounced in a much 37 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: more masculine way. That Maller is much more impressive than Mallard. 38 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: So we'll start with that. And also, we've been on 39 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: the radio in Seattle for years. We are on the 40 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: obviously overnight show on kJ are the great sports talker 41 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: you are the big afternoon drive sensation there in Seattle, 42 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: and I semi regularly will have a listener that that 43 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: is in the Seattle market that will say, hey, are 44 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: you you related? They are convinced that because we have 45 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: a similar sounding name and we work in radio, that 46 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: we are somehow we are d n A related. Have 47 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: you gotten the same reaction there, softy, that's probably were related. 48 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you're kind of bursting my bubble. I saw 49 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: the story where Jerry Jones is getting sued by somebody 50 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: who claims that Jerry is for father, and I don't know. 51 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: I thought I thought you and I were related. Maybe 52 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: I should play all law student, have like a DNA 53 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: test and make sure that you know we we are 54 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: not related. But I've been walking around forever people ask 55 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: me my claim to fame. It's like, yeah, me and 56 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: me and Ben Maller were related. That's my claim to fame. 57 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: And now you're telling me that we're not. Man, this 58 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: is just a whole new world for me, and I'm 59 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: not sure if I can go forward now knowing that 60 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: we are actually not related. No, man, I mean, here's 61 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: the thing, dude. Um, It's funny how some people get 62 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: this stuff mixed up. I didn't think it was that difficult. 63 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: Apparently for some people it is. But places like Twitter, 64 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: for example, have reminded me that not everybody is on 65 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: the same page as we are, and that stuff you 66 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: would not think would need explanation, indeed does need explanation. 67 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: So yes, Ben and I are not related, which is 68 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: better news for him than it is for me. By 69 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: the way, well, no, and I I filled in for you. 70 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember. You were on a 71 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: tropical island somewhere with the family, and I filled in 72 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: remotely before it was cool to fill in remotely on 73 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: the powerful kJ R. And uh, clearly management heard that 74 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: show softly because I've not been invited back. So clearly 75 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: they heard that broadcast and said, Mallard not as good 76 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: as Maller, and uh, get out of here, stay away, 77 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: stay away, stay I think, no, I think what happens. 78 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: They realized how good you were, and they said, if 79 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: we put this bastard on the air again, we're gonna 80 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: have to pay you actually compensate the guy. So forget that. 81 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: Let's go back to Maller, who's just cheap talent. We 82 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: can get away with putting his asks on the air. 83 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: So anyway, yeah, man, it's good to be on with you. 84 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: And what a what a crazy couple of days in Seattle, Man, 85 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: it has been. We're gonna get to that. But I'm 86 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: not done b s thing about radio because I'm I'm 87 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: waiting now. So you you are a star. You are 88 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: like the Mike Francess of Seattle. I don't know if 89 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: that's a compliment or not, but you've been on there 90 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: for a long time. You're very successful. But when is 91 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: the trickle down gonna happen? I see these contracts softly 92 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: with Aikman and these guys, and I'm I'm not happy 93 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: for these broadcasters in the NFL. But I have always 94 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: believed I'm biased here because I work in radio as 95 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: you do. But people tune in to hear what the 96 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: radio guy has to say. When you will watch an 97 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: NFL game, if the teams are good, you're not necessarily 98 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: watching because of Troy Aikman or any of these guys, 99 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: no matter how good they are. You're not watching because 100 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: of the broadcasters. So when is the money give me 101 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: the answer here, softly, When is the money gonna come 102 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: down to guys like us? Yeah? I would say it's 103 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: a word that rhymes would never number one because number 104 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: two and and I really realized this when I get 105 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: to go to the Super Bowl for Radio Row or 106 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: the Final Four for Radio Row, and you look around 107 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: in a row and you see all these bombs, and 108 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: you see all these clowns, and you think, man, that's me. 109 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm one of those bums. I'm one of those 110 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: clowns and sports talk radio. So in the end, and 111 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: I always say this that you and I are just 112 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: monkeys and a carnival man, and all they do is 113 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: just throw peanuts at us, you know, our entire career. 114 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: So maybe one day they'll give us more peanuts. Maybe 115 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: one day they'll give us more bananas. But they ain't 116 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: gonna give us more cash, man, There's no question about that. 117 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: So you and I work on the Toys and Games department. 118 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: Other people out there have real jobs, and they're you know, 119 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: busting their ass twelve thirteen hours a day construction, hard 120 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: labor things like this. So we got nothing to bitch about, man, 121 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: no matter how little they pay us. But uh, it's 122 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,679 Speaker 1: a hell of a run. It's been twenty seven years 123 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: for me. I decided to do deal. They'll take you 124 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: to thirty with kJ R, and I just wonder every 125 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: day when they're gonna fall the plug, and they haven't 126 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: done it yet, so it's a freaking miracle. Congratulations, you 127 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: have dominated. You are the king of Seattle radio. But 128 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: I and and speaking of that, I know from my 129 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: little overnight show and we have you know, listeners in 130 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: Seattle and you guys just moved to the FM down Now. 131 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: This fascinates me, Softie, because people were like, oh, you 132 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: sound so much better on the FM dial. The the 133 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: power of terrestrial radio still because you can listen to 134 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: your show on I Heart Radio and the streaming and 135 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: all that, and same with obviously my show. But so 136 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: many people are just creatures of habit. They just love 137 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: the old school radio and they listen that way. It's 138 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: to me, it's fascinating. If you've gotten a similar response, 139 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: it's a big deal to be on the FM dial now. 140 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: It's a huge deal. And it's even bigger for our 141 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: broadcast partners you on the Crack and the Huskies, Washington basketball, 142 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: Washington football, the Sounders, you know, you know, Westwood One 143 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: for example, to have all those games and and FM radio. 144 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: But you're right. I mean there were people when we 145 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: made the move that were irritated. You know, I want 146 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: my m I've been listening the nine AM for forty 147 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: years or whatever, and and and and and here's the 148 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: funny thing. Then, yesterday was actually the one hundredth anniversary 149 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: of kJ R getting their very first broadcast license in 150 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: nineteen two. So our radio station has been around for 151 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: over a hundred years now, and we finally made the 152 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: switch full time to FM. We're gonna simulcast for a 153 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: little bit and then make the switch and a couple 154 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: of months officially. We actually tried this about ten years ago, 155 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 1: the simulcast on an FM station with nine a m. 156 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: And the ratings for like four hours were off the 157 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: charts and the management was going bananas. I gotta look 158 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: at this. And then a week later, yeah, they stuck again. 159 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: So I don't know, man, maybe maybe this will be 160 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: the boost everybody is looking for. But I think I think, 161 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're kind of a radio junkie like me. 162 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: I think the biggest difference is that the music stations 163 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: are struggling because they can't compete with all the music 164 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: you know, streaming platforms, uh for example. But like I 165 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: Hearts app, where you can get all the music you 166 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: want on the I Heart app. But if you still 167 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: want local sports talk until they start streaming that on 168 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: all the other platforms, there's only one place to go. Yeah, no, absolutely, 169 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: I mean that's music radio. Will you listen in the 170 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: morning and it's just talk radio, like the music stations 171 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: are just talk stations. That's been that way for years. 172 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: But uh, I mean it's it's absolutely and people like 173 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: to listen. When it comes to music. A lot of 174 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: people want to hear only what they want to hear, 175 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: and you never know what you're gonna get when you 176 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: listen on on radio. But as as our boss over 177 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: at Foxes, uh, don't better leave my man. Uh So 178 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: we need to talk. We need to talk football softly. 179 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: You are the king of Seattle. Are you still sitting 180 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,599 Speaker 1: shiva here for the end of Russell Wilson as a 181 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawk. No, I'm not doing that. I gotta be 182 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: honest with you, man. I I appreciate everything Russell Wilson 183 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: did for this franchise, everything he did for the organization. 184 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't take a genius, uh, you know to look 185 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: back and say, hey, man, the ten years of Russell 186 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: Wilson quarterback. We're pretty damn good for this franchise, but 187 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: I was kind of growing tired, started bitching about his 188 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: offensive line, and then all this controversy erupted, all this rumor, 189 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: all this innuendo, and Russell didn't say a damn thing. 190 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: He didn't put an end to any of it. He 191 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: just sat back with his hands behind his head, kicked 192 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: his speed up and smiled and just enjoyed being in 193 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: the spotlight. And I even asked him, you know, at 194 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: a press conference, I said, if you really want to 195 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: be in Seattle long term, why would you allow all 196 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: that rumor and innuendo to continue? And he said, well, 197 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: because we had some stuff to figure out behind closed doors, 198 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Well then you're really truly we're not 199 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: as invested here. And it really truly was not as 200 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,599 Speaker 1: harmonious a relationship as you guys have been leading people on. 201 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: You can't have it both freaking ways. So there was 202 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: a lot of drama with him. There was a lot 203 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: of nonsense with him. He became all about him, He 204 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: became all about his brand, which is fine if you're 205 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: playing great football and winning m vps the way Aaron 206 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: Rodgers is. But he wasn't doing that. You know, the 207 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: guy comes out and complains about the line. He wants 208 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: more talent, he wants this, he wants his legacy to 209 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: be secure, which he never talked like that. Bobby Wagner 210 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: never talked like that. Richard Sherman never talks like that. 211 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: Uh you know, K. J. Wright, Earl Thomas Camp Chancellor, 212 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: those guys never talked about themselves in that light. And 213 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson never did until about a year and a 214 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: half ago. So things started ben to become about Russell 215 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: and his brand and his legacy and his campaign. And 216 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: then he picks that opportunity and that time to go 217 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: out and start playing bad football in the back half 218 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: of two thousand twenty breaks his finger and was playing 219 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: poorly even before that in the first half of two 220 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: thousand twenty one. So all of it created the student 221 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: that a lot of people were just kind of getting 222 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: tired of. To be honest with you, well, I don't 223 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: know about you, softie, but that that bread football thing 224 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: that Russ was selling, that that's a solid him there. 225 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: And the nano bubbles, right, he had the nano bubbles 226 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: going to ye. Yeah, he claimed to have ben You 227 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: know what's funny about that, as you mentioned the nano bubbles, 228 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: that that that really was the only thing that he 229 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: had done that he had even remotely approached any controversy 230 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: when he claimed to have this water that can cure concussions, 231 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: and that went away real quick. And then all of 232 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, again he met Sierra. Uh, he 233 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,239 Speaker 1: started turning into a bit of a diva. The analogy 234 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: that I've used before with him. You remember the movie 235 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: Napoleon Dynamite. Obviously, when when his brother Kipp was this 236 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: nerdy computer geek sitting at home online talking to babes 237 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: all day, and then he meets Lafonda and he totally changes. 238 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: He's got the do rag on, he's got the medallion 239 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: with the thunderbird hanging around his neck. He's walking differently, 240 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: he's talking differently. That's what happened to Russell. I'm telling you, 241 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: go look at Russell Wilson. His first three or four 242 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: years in the NFL. He was like Arkell of NFL quarterbacks, 243 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: and then he meets Era and all of a sudden, 244 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: he becomes this totally different person. He's dressing differently. He's 245 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: walking differently, he's talking differently, he's got a different hairstyle, 246 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: he's using different voices. I swear to God, Ben, we 247 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: have a Russell Wilson sound wheel where he's got seven 248 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: or eight different accents, and everything just got weird with 249 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: the guy. And then he started playing poorly and all 250 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: hell want to you know, hell hand bucket. So it 251 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: was just a big, freaking giant recipe of nonsense. Well 252 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: you are the expert on Russell Wilson sound bus. My 253 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: personal favorite was the Mr Unlimited rant that he did 254 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: that is I gotta get you, I gotta get you. 255 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: And when we're done here, have your producer give you 256 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: a buzz. I gotta get you some of these drops 257 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: because you'll have a field day. It is unbelievable. I 258 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: could play you six or seven different clips, and if 259 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: you didn't know it was Russell Wilson, you would think 260 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: it was six or seven different people talk and I 261 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: swear to God, Well, the thing too about him, and 262 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: you know it's obviously as you says, Cheene is recently, 263 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: but Russell Wilson. For years, it sounded like he was 264 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: mimicking Pete Carroll, like the same tone, like the phrases. 265 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: It was like he was the doppel Gang or a 266 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll like that. He was just trying to copy 267 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: the exact language. So is he gonna copy the Broncos 268 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: coach over that is the guy from the Packers there? 269 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: Is he gonna rip that hacket? Yeah? Yeah, Well that's 270 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: one of the funny things that Seahawk fans are gonna 271 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: keep their eye on. Fand you know, this guy like 272 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: to end every press conference with go Hawks, which was 273 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: kind of fun. Whatever blah blah blah. And then when 274 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: he didn't do it, Seahawk fans from panic. Oh he 275 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: didn't say go Hawks. What does that mean? He didn't 276 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: say go Hawks. So now we'll see if he says 277 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: go Broncos in Denver. But that was one of the 278 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: things that made this thing work is that him and 279 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: John Schneider and Pete Carroll were always on the same page. 280 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: You know, they would they would agree on, you know, 281 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: how they were going to present themselves in public, what 282 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: they would talk about, what they would not talk about. 283 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson was the master of the cliche. He was 284 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: the master of deflection. It's what made him so great 285 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: that he was a good player, very very good player. 286 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: But they also had the l Ob, They had Marshawn Lynch. 287 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: They had the highest grade offensive line in football when 288 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: they won the title in two thousand thirteen, and Russell 289 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: Wilson never ever, ever even thought about locking the boat. 290 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: And then things began to deteriorate and he became a 291 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: little more brass. He became a little more bold, which 292 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: I have no problem with. The guy that spent eight 293 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: nine years in the NFL should have that, you know, 294 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: confidence that he can speak his mind. But like I said, 295 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: it became about him and it got weird, and he 296 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: would do all this weird stuff on social media. I 297 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember, but there was a photo 298 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: about four or five, three or four years ago that 299 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: he sent out where he's buck naked with a naked 300 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: Sierra and a buck naked Huture junior and they're all 301 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: wrapped up like a big serpent, and he puts the 302 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: picture on social media. I'm like, dude, if I got 303 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: pictures like that with me and my wife, you know 304 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: what I'm doing that I'm hanging above my bed or 305 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: it's in my bathroom above the toilet so nobody can 306 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: see it. I'm not showing that the people. It's just weird, man, 307 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: just stuff that guys just don't do very odd and 308 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: players in the locker room tality, they would roll their 309 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: eyes at this stuff. I talked to one guy that 310 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: spent nine years with him in Seattle, and I asked him, 311 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: how many times did you go out with Russell Wilson 312 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: after practice, after a game for a beer, a steak, 313 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: thin or whatever. He said, Not one time, Not one 314 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: time did I ever go out with Russell Wilson. So 315 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: it's just the kind of guy he was. And again, 316 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: when you're winning games, find no problem. When you're playing well, 317 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: find no problem. But obviously at the end that wasn't happening. 318 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: All right, So you are on the pulse of the 319 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: people as the voice of Seattle Sports Radio. So what 320 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: what is the Raking file, Softie? I mean, I know 321 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: you're the you're the opinion guy. But the people that 322 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: you're around there, the Seahawks fan, the hardcore Seahawks fan, 323 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: are they in lockstep with you or they like, wait 324 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: a minute, we are screwed now, We're not gonna have 325 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: a quarterback for the next five ten years. Well, I 326 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: think everybody understands how hard he's gonna be to replace. Uh, 327 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: they don't have it Aaron Rodgers or a Steve Young 328 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: waiting in the wings the way the Niners or Packers 329 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: did when they lost Montana and Brett Farve. So that's 330 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: gonna be an issue. And obviously, Pete Carroll seventy years old, 331 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: how much longer does he want to deal with this 332 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 1: before he walks away and plays with his grandkids and 333 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: goes to a place in Maui. But you know, as 334 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: far as the reaction, I mean, I I just put 335 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: a poll on Twitter yesterday. Not that Twitter polls are 336 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: the end all be all, but just a small little sample. Uh. 337 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: And I asked you, you know, my followers, Um, how 338 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, are you more sad to see Bobby Wagner 339 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: or Russell Wilson go? And se said Bobby Wagner over 340 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. And you know it's like what I mean? 341 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: You know, I mean, come on, you guys know the 342 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: in fact, the middle linebacker has over a quarterback. But 343 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: I just think it shows you that people were just 344 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: ready to move on. The Hawks have some draft capital. Now, 345 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: they've got a bunch of salary cap space. Second most 346 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and people are excited, I guess in 347 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: some ways to see how the Hawks spend it. There's 348 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: also a side of the Seahawk fan base that doesn't 349 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: trust John Schnyder or Pete Carroll as far as they 350 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: can throw him, because the drafts have been terrible for 351 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: the most part, the free agent spending has been awful, 352 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: and it seems like every move they make has been 353 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: a disaster. The Jamal Adams deal disaster, Jimmy Graham deal disaster, 354 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: Percy Harvin deal disaster. Every big move this franchise has made, 355 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: except for the early drafts in two thousand and ten, eleven, 356 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: and twelve, really have not worked out. So the track 357 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: record was solid and they built a great foundation, but 358 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: in the last seven eight years they've been they've been 359 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: really slipping in that regard. So three years from now 360 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: and we're looking back at this, is Pete Carroll a 361 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: still the coach of the team, and is Russell. Do 362 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: you think russ is gonna light it up in Denver? 363 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: You think he he continues as you said, he hasn't 364 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: been playing well the last couple of years. You think 365 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: he falls off the cliff. Well, I think they're gonna 366 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: let him cook, and you know what that means. That 367 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: means letting rust of the ball forty five times a game. 368 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: That's what he wanted, That's what he wanted here in Seattle. 369 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: That's what Brian Schottenheimer wanted for him in Seattle. And 370 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: then Seahawks went six and two in the first half 371 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: of the two thousand twenty season. They went to Buffalo, 372 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: they got destroyed. Russell Wilson threw a bunch of picks 373 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: and Pete Carroll said, that's the end of that. Enough 374 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: of that, and they went back to his roots. The 375 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: problem with Pete Carroll is he thinks it's still two 376 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: thousand thirteen. He doesn't want to take any chances on offense, 377 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: doesn't want to turn the ball over, wants to rely 378 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: on a great running game and an elite defense. The 379 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: problem is they haven't had either one of those things 380 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: for the last four or five years. I don't know. 381 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: Maybe Pete Carroll's in a coma and he waked up 382 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: every day in his dream and he's he's dreaming that 383 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: it's two thousand thirteen. I got no freaking idea. But 384 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: if they want to get back to where they are, 385 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: with Pete Carroll, they got to get serious about the 386 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: offensive line, they got a get serious about the defensive line, 387 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: and they gotta find a way to start dominating people 388 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: on the ground. And that hasn't happened. Chris Carson can't 389 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: count on him, but Sean Penny can't count on him. 390 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: Their options have been guys like Alex Collin's, Carlos Hide 391 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: and Paul Homer. Excuse me, Travis Homer. So they just 392 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: need if they're going to make this work with Pete Carroll, 393 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: he's got to find a way to get back to 394 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: his roofs. All right, So you have to get a 395 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: quarterback this year for the Seahawks. So what are you 396 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: hearing it? Soft? Is it gonna be Drew Lock? Are 397 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: they gonna sign one of these other stiffs that are 398 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: free agents? Are trade for somebody? Yeah? I think the 399 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: next Great Shauk quarterback is probably in diaper's right now. 400 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:34,239 Speaker 1: Probably honestly, all right, I mean seriously, because I just 401 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: don't see anything in free agency. I don't see anything 402 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: on the trade market. Maybe they make a run of 403 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: a guy like a Marcus Mario, and maybe they'll bring 404 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: a guy like a Gardner of Minshew in here and 405 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: see what they can do provide some competition. I mean, 406 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: that's really what we're talking about right now. The other 407 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: option is to Shaun Watson and we'll find out what 408 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: happens on Friday with the grand Jury. I love the 409 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: Shaun as a player, obviously, right now he's a no 410 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: goes on because of all the accusations against him, and 411 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: that's got to be dropped. And if those are dropped, 412 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: I think the Hawks are very much gonna be involved 413 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: with the this Shaun Watson sweepstakes. I mean, Ben, you 414 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: gotta understand and I know that you do that. Pete 415 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: Carroll seventy damn years old, right. He may think he's 416 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: young at heart, and he may think he can coach 417 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: until he's eighty years old. Prett, he's freaking seventy. There's 418 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: only a handful of guys in the NFL that have 419 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: had any success past that age. Uh, and he's gonna 420 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: have to be another one, you know, to pull this off. 421 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: So I don't think he's you know, interested in rebuilding 422 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: this thing from the ground up and training a rookie 423 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: quarterback and you know, building a new offensive and defensive line. 424 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: That's why he left USC to come to the Seahawks 425 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: in the first place for crying out loud because the 426 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 1: guy had no interest in rebuilding USC when they were 427 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: about to go on probation. So I think Pete Carroll 428 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: is going to take the path of least resistance, And 429 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: if that means getting to Mariota, if that means getting 430 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: the Minshew, if that means drafting you know a Malik 431 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: Willis with the number nine pick that got the Bronco 432 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: d are getting into the Watson sweepstakes. I think that's 433 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: what he'll do. But right now there's only two quarterbacks 434 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: on the roster is Drew Lock and Jacob Eesan. So 435 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: right now it's the Drew Lock Show until something changes. Well, yeah, 436 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: I was just gonna bring up that I was around 437 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: Pete when he was coaching at USC, and once once 438 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: he saw the writing on the wall that that was 439 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: not gonna go well with the n c A, he 440 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: hied tailed it out of there. He got he got going, 441 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: and uh, you wonder if he's gonna stick arts. Yeah, well, 442 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 1: I I agree with you, But you think within the 443 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: next five years that the Seahawks are gonna have a 444 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: legit Super Bowl contented? It seems unlikely at this point. 445 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: They have a bunch of draft picks. But but you know, Softie, 446 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: the problem with draft picks is most of them don't 447 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: live up to the hype. You gotta actually pick the 448 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: right players. That's always It sounds great to have draft picks, 449 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: but you got actually get the picks right. And these 450 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: teams screwed up all the time. And they've been screwing 451 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: it up. I mean they've you know, they've had a 452 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: couple of hits here and there, but for the most part, 453 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: and look, here's the thing. What they did between two 454 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: thousand ten, two thousand eleven and two thousand twelve, they 455 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: brought in Russell o'coon. They brought in Earl Thomas, they 456 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: brought in Richard Sherman, they brought in kJ Wright, they 457 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: brought in Bobby Wagner, they brought in Russell Wilson, they 458 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: brought in Doug Baldwin is an undrafted free agent. They're 459 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: never gonna have that kind of success again. That was 460 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: a once in a career type of run for John 461 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: Schneider and Pete Carroll when it comes to the draft 462 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: and when it comes to undrafted free agent. So of 463 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: course I agree with you that in the next five years, 464 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: is it likelier than not that the Seahawks are not 465 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: gonna be a dominant football team. Of course it is. Yeah. 466 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: I mean this is absolutely going down the road of 467 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: a rebuild, there is no question about that. And Pete 468 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: Carroll is gonna be seventy three, seventy four years old, uh, 469 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: in the time frame that you're talking about. And the 470 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: other part of this equation that not a lot of 471 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: people have been mentioning is that Paul Allen is dead. 472 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: I mean, Paul Allen was one of the great owners 473 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Everything Paul Allen touched when it came 474 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: to the NFL, from hiring Mike Holmgren to hiring Pete Carroll, 475 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: to be willing to fire Jim Mora after one year 476 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: of a four year deal when Todd light Witty convinced 477 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: him it wasn't working. He didn't give a damn. He 478 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: just wanted to win games. I mean, look at the 479 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: look at the playoff appearances with Paul Allen from the 480 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: late nineties on compared to what they had before Paul 481 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: Allen was the owner. And he passed away a couple 482 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: of years ago. His sister Jodi is now in charge. 483 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: Nobody even knows what the hell she sounds like for 484 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: crying out loud. Nobody even knows what her plans are 485 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: long term for this organization. So there's a little bit 486 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: of a question mark, ben, if not a big question 487 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: mark about the ownership structure in Seattle. How long does 488 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: Jody hang onto the team if they do want to sell. 489 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: There's gonna be plenty of people in Seattle, namely a 490 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,479 Speaker 1: guy like a Jeff Bezos. Maybe Bill Gates finally steps 491 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: up and buys a team. Um, But that's a big, big, 492 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: big concern for me because as long as Paul Allen 493 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: was year this organization was firing on all cylinders, and 494 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: now that he's gone, nobody has any idea of the 495 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: future of that of that structure and what that looks like. 496 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: How how great would it be though for the Seahawks 497 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: fans if they Bezos ends up getting the team with 498 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: all his money home my goodness, insanity. But as for 499 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'd rather, I'd rather have him buy 500 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: the Mariners with no salary captain baseball. That'd be better. Well, 501 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: they're debating that, right, so they have the owners have 502 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: their fake salary, kept their through gayzy salary, kept that 503 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 1: they pay in baseball, which is ridiculous. Base Bazos would 504 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,479 Speaker 1: take that luxury tax by the neck and sweet so 505 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: hard that tideballs would pop out exactly. He wouldn't give 506 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: a damn. He would not get And I've always argued 507 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: that Paul Allen owned the wrong team. If he had 508 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: owned the Mariners instead of the Seahawks, Oh my god, 509 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: we'd have six World Series titles by now. Yeah, I'm sure. 510 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: And now, as far as you though, I'm thinking this 511 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: is actually good for you, Softy, that the Seahawks, because 512 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 1: there's a lot of passion for the Seahawks from an 513 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: outsider's perspective, right, it's a lot of ha been to 514 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: see how a few times, a lot of passion. But 515 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: if the team's bad, that's great sports radio, right, that's 516 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: great for you because people are angry. It's to me, 517 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: it's always been better when things are kind of rocky 518 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: as opposed to when everything's great and you're winning for 519 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: sports talk radio purposes only. Of course, what do you 520 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: think about that? Well, I think there's no doubt that 521 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: anger drives passion. You know, people tend to communicate with 522 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: sports talk radio stations more so when they're irritated and 523 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: angry than when they're happy. Uh. You know, look, I 524 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: mean it's obviously a controversial thing for this for this town. 525 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: This team has been good for a long long time, 526 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: and and now that's all about the fall apart. So 527 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how people respond to it. But 528 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: it's not just the Russell Wilson, Bobby Wagner, Pete Carroll, 529 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: you know, DK Metcalf's contract is up. You know what 530 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: about Jamal Adams future. We've spent a year and a 531 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: half hammering Jamal Adams on the eater and and and 532 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: not just hammering the Seahawks, but hammering him. I mean 533 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: there's been some plays that he's made or plays that 534 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: he's not made, or I've looked at him and asked 535 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: if he even gives a damn about playing football. And 536 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: then there's there's there's plays that will make your skin crawl. 537 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: Ben with this guy, And you know, look, here's the thing. 538 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: He was all he was all pot in New York 539 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: because the Jets weren't winning. He comes to Seattle, they 540 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: make the playoffs. The guy likes a freaking cigar at 541 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: a podium to celebrate finally making the postseason. And now 542 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: the Seahawks suck again with Jamal adds, So now he's 543 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: going right back to where he was with the Jets 544 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: two or three years ago. So I'm curious to see 545 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: how Jamal Adam tangles all this, you know, uh, all 546 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: these tough times that are about to be on the 547 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: horizon for the Seahawks. But yeah, it's gonna be an 548 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,239 Speaker 1: interesting offseason, interesting couple of years. People are fired up. 549 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: The interaction with the fans is always awesome. But I 550 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: don't know, man, I'm at a point in my career 551 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: where I don't even give a damn anymore. You know, 552 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: whatever happens, it's gonna happen. Just get me the hell 553 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: off the air so I can be on the first 554 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,479 Speaker 1: tea by you know, three o'clock. Well, the great thing 555 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: about these jobs is whether the teams are good or bad, 556 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: we still have to We still have to talk, so 557 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter, but talk about it exactly and more. 558 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: Now I gotta I gotta ask, you know, one of 559 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: the one of the NBA guys gonna get back in Seattle. 560 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: What what are you hearing there? We I've heard rumors 561 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: for the past five years. Softly, my guys in the 562 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: NBA that Seattle is getting an expansion team. They're gonna 563 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: add two teams Seattle and I had recently in Vegas, 564 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: but I've heard some other cities mentioned. So what are 565 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: you what are you hearing on that? Anything close? Really close? Well, 566 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: here's the funny thing. Here's the funny thing about that. 567 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: First of all, can you believe it's been fourteen years 568 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: since they left to Oklahoma City? Ben? Yeah? Ben, Ben. 569 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: The sad part about it is is that you've got 570 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, we've we've We've had this conversation before 571 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: on our show. How how old do you have to 572 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: be to have like a real conscious sports memory, you know, six, seven, 573 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: eight years old? I don't know. I mean, the Sonics 574 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: won the NBA title in seventy nine. I was five 575 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: and a half. I got no memory of that whatsoever. 576 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: I was more concerned about where my next booker was 577 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: coming from, you know, versus nity A basketball. So I 578 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: have no memory of that whatsoever. I have some memories 579 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: of the early eighties when I was seven eight years old, 580 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: But you know, if we just use that as a benchmark, 581 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: there's kids graduating high school this year, college freshman in 582 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: our area that have no idea what NBA basketball in 583 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: this town is all about. You gotta be in your 584 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: mid twenties early twenties to have any memory of NBA basketball. 585 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: So you're starting over with an entirely new generation of fans. 586 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: And guess what. A lot of people have moved on 587 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: their sounder soccer fans, their cracking hockey fans, their w 588 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: NBA fans. They're sitting home playing freaking video games all 589 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: day with their buddies online. There's a lot more competition 590 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: now for the sports dollar than there was fourteen, fifteen, 591 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: twenty years ago. So I'm curious to see how the 592 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: city reacts to it. They reacted great to the cracking. 593 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: They sold out all their season ticket deposits. But here's 594 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: the not so think. You know the name Todd LYE Wicky, 595 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: You know the named Tim Lywicky. Obviously two of the 596 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: great sports executives in the country. Todd was the president 597 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: of Seahawks when they hired Pete Carroll back in the 598 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,479 Speaker 1: day and did great things for us. These are the 599 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: guys that are telling everybody that the NBA is coming back. 600 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: And you would think that those would be the guys 601 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: that would say, hey, look, we just got you at 602 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: damn hockey team, why don't you enjoy the NHL for 603 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: a while and will work on the NBA later. It's 604 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: not been the It's not been the case. These guys 605 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: are the ones telling us they're coming back. They're coming back. 606 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: We've got to be patient, but they're coming back. Tim 607 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: Lywicky and Todd lan Wicky, who have done so much 608 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: for the town already getting this beautiful arena built and 609 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: by the way, it is really awesome. You come to town, 610 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: will get you a game, by the way, and they 611 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: get us a hockey team, and you would think they 612 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: would want you to just enjoy that. But they are 613 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: the ones that are fanning the flames for the NBA 614 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: to come back. So I would be fairly surprised if 615 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: in the next three to five years we did not 616 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: have basketball back. And see you and they gotta come. 617 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: I know there's there's business involved, those oil barons in Oklahoma. 618 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: They gotta get the Sonic name back. Though I'm gonna 619 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: go full old school. Don't change some dopey name, go 620 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: with the Sonics, bring it back, Bring back well, and 621 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: you've seen, you've seen how that franchise is doing. They're 622 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: not doing well. They're not drawn fans or lose the 623 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,719 Speaker 1: money right and left. And I'm shedding a tear. I'm 624 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: playing a little violin over here for Clay Bennett and 625 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: the issues they're having in Oklahoma City. But I gotta 626 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: be honest with you, man, it's uh, it's a wacky 627 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: thing to think about how long it's been since this 628 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: basketball team was not around. And I think it's great 629 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: the amount of passion that you hear and see around 630 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: the country. People are always tweeting and talking about how 631 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: Seattle deserves a basketball team, and I don't. I would 632 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: just challenge anybody whether San Diego after they lost the Clippers, 633 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: Kansas City after they lost the King's uh, Louisville after 634 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: they you know, fourteen fifteen years later, was there still 635 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: this kind of passion in oh towns to bring the 636 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: NBA back? And I would say no. I mean, dude, 637 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: We've got a freaking store. We got a store simply 638 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: Seattle dot com South Sonic Gear, and they sell a 639 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: lot of it and people are running around town wearing 640 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: the stuff. It's crazy how the plane is still going. 641 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, I know, and we're around the 642 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: same h So, I I mean I remember, you know, 643 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: I'm not. I wasn't a Sonic, yes exactly. I haven't 644 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: aged in many years, but I remember those Sonic teams. 645 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I mean that was great basketball, 646 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: and it was always like a it was always the 647 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: always seem to have competitive teams in those days. But anyway, 648 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: I've kept it for way too long. Softy, I appreciate it. 649 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: You're the man, you're the myth, you're the legend. You 650 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: own Seattle, and it's coming up on thirty years. You 651 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: sign your new deal. So we're gonna they're gonna have 652 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: like a day for you, Softy Day in Seattle. They're 653 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: gonna have that whole thing. Yeah, the Softy Day better 654 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: come along with that being the next day is my 655 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: last day on the year. That's all I'm asking for. 656 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: Just get me the hell out of here, get me 657 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: off there. Now. This is great because this this keeps 658 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: me from having to go do work around the house. 659 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: So if you want me to hang out for another 660 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: four or five hours, I have no problem doing that. Yeah, 661 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: I think I would. My producer will kill me though, 662 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: so I appreciate it, but if thank you so, if 663 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: you appreciate man, see you. But