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Speaker 1: Welcome to Thursday's edition a big Blue kickoff live here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com. He's pulled the tino on Lance Meadow.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for tuning in with you for the

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Speaker 1: next sixty minutes as we'll break down all that is

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Speaker 1: happening with the New York Giants. Two zero five one

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Speaker 1: three is the telephone number. We'll get to your tweets

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Speaker 1: hashtag Giants Chat. But right off the top, we have

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Speaker 1: a very special guest. Giants had two third round picks

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Speaker 1: this year, the second of which they utilize to take

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Speaker 1: b J Hill, the defensive tackle out of North Carolina State.

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Speaker 1: And to provide more insight on b J Hill, we

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Speaker 1: are now joined by the head coach of the North

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Speaker 1: Carolina State football team, and that is Dave Doran. Coach

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Speaker 1: you got, Lance Meadow pulled the tino with here on

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Speaker 1: Giants dot Com. Appreciate the time. How's everything, Everything's good.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for giving me a time with your guests today.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely healthy pleasure and thanks so much for making time

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Speaker 1: for us. Well, let's start off the top coach. You've

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Speaker 1: seen b J develop over the course of four years

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Speaker 1: with NC State. What are the Giants getting in a

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Speaker 1: player like that on the defensive line. Uh, you're getting

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Speaker 1: a very consistent guy. I mean he's one of the

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Speaker 1: most day in and day out. Uh, same person, all

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Speaker 1: the same more ethnic, same grind. I mean, you know

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Speaker 1: exactly what's coming to work. And he's a dedicated guy.

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Speaker 1: That was the game, was his teammates. A very very

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Speaker 1: solid technician, extremely strong. But uh, guy comes from an

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Speaker 1: talked to him the other day, coach, he had mentioned

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Speaker 1: there was a I believe he had lost some weight

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Speaker 1: at one point. And what do you think he's going

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Speaker 1: to play out in the National Football League? And do

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Speaker 1: you believe that he'll be able to have the power

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Speaker 1: Well as far as where he's going to be, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I said they know that there they drafted him. But

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Speaker 1: I mean he's definitely an inside player. Whether he's you know,

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Speaker 1: great feat He's extremely strong. I mean, his hands are

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Speaker 1: he's the best inside defensive linement I've ever seen um

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Speaker 1: all that, like I said, I just think whatever those

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna believe that, he's gonna work it.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna go out there and do what they want

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Speaker 1: him to do. Well, speaking of the talent that you've

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Speaker 1: you have all four starters drafted this year, including Bradley Chubb.

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Speaker 1: From watching those guys interact, how much did b J

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean all of them have a

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Speaker 1: So if he was to Bradley, and Bradley would take

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a player that made more plays

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Speaker 1: b J was a two sixty pounder that you know,

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Speaker 1: He's now joining the Giants, And you know, the other

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Speaker 1: when describing b J Hill is he's a powerful, tough

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Speaker 1: it seems like we have our four starters on the

432
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Speaker 1: left side, but the right tackle if if um the

433
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Speaker 1: top five includes John Jerry, that John Jerry or Mom

434
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Speaker 1: a slide to the right tackle spot or you think

435
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 1: that's gonna be somebody else, I think that's mainly gonna

436
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 1: be Flowers Wheeler in business Vati at this point, I

437
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 1: think that's the three man competition. Oh momy. It was

438
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 1: brought up when the Giants drifted Will Hernandez. He's got

439
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 1: experience at right guard, He's got experience in left guard.

440
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,400
Speaker 1: They're probably gonna flip flop he and Hernandez with Jerry two,

441
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 1: who we tend to forget about. But Jerry's very much

442
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,120
Speaker 1: in the mix and they'll let the best men win

443
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 1: at those respective spots. But I mean, if you go

444
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 1: back to John Jerry's time with the Dolphins, and he

445
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,719
Speaker 1: was extremely durable, he was a guard. I mean, this

446
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,679
Speaker 1: was not a guy that didn't play, but that's not

447
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 1: what you wanted to be. Did not rely on him,

448
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 1: don't want to do the tackle spot. And then of

449
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 1: course there will be some undrafted rookie free agents that

450
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 1: are expected here May eleventh, when rookie training camp begins,

451
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm confident that you will see at least a couple

452
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 1: of offensive tackles showing up there. And if you know

453
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,400
Speaker 1: anything about Dave Gentleman, he's a specialist in finding those

454
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 1: guys with a fine tooth comb that nobody else seems

455
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 1: to be able to find. So maybe something good can

456
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Speaker 1: come out of that and May and then again there's

457
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,439
Speaker 1: always the possibility that some veteran pops free at some

458
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: point over the summer um and they give him a shot.

459
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 1: You know. One of the guy that I want to

460
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Speaker 1: mention is John Greco was also brought back. He's a

461
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Speaker 1: veteran guard too, so that's somebody else that he's gonna

462
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Speaker 1: have an opportunity to compete, and also has ties to

463
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Speaker 1: Shermer going back to when he was with the Rams.

464
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 1: Other name is another name I just wanted to bring

465
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Speaker 1: up to keep in mind because there's competition at guard,

466
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Speaker 1: at least right now, there is with respected tackle. It's

467
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Speaker 1: most the young guest. Although Halapio I believe is going

468
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: to be the backup center right now, I don't see

469
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Speaker 1: him in the guard mix because they have too many

470
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Speaker 1: guys who can play guard. Halapio can play center. Okay, alright,

471
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Speaker 1: the last question, I'll take off the air and uh,

472
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 1: after the draft, me and my buddy sit around, we

473
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: asked this question to each other. It's kind of unrealistic.

474
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 1: But if if you could add one player on offense

475
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Speaker 1: and one player on defense in the whole NFL, minus

476
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Speaker 1: the quarterback um, providing the health is clean and money's

477
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: all even, who would you ask for the Giants with

478
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 1: the with the the guys of the roster we have

479
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: right now. And I'll take that question hypoth hypothetical question.

480
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Speaker 1: Anybody in the league or we're talking only guys who

481
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Speaker 1: are available through free agency. Anybody in the league. Anybody

482
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Speaker 1: in the league. So this is a totally just a

483
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: fun fantasy question. Okay, we'll talk to you. Anybody in

484
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Speaker 1: the league. This is your dream, this is your opportunity

485
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: to pluck away anybody else from another team. You know

486
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: what the problem is here. Yes, I'm a big J. J.

487
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: Watt fan, so mentioned him. I don't think there's anything

488
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 1: that's a and and And the truth of the matter

489
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: is that probably does not suit the Giants needs as

490
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: much as some other positions. But I would not mind

491
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Speaker 1: having m VP candidate J. J. Watt on this team.

492
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: I don't, even though honestly he's not. He would not

493
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: fit the biggest need here. No, I I think that's

494
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: fair though. I mean, listen, he just said you can

495
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Speaker 1: add anybody. I mean, I'll go needs slash versatility, and

496
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Luke Keikley. At the linebacker position.

497
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: You'd be hard pressed to find the guy that is

498
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Speaker 1: as great in coverage as he is in terms of

499
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 1: so that to me is a guy that I would add.

500
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: And it really makes no difference whether it's a Giants

501
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: or any other team signed me up with J J. Correct.

502
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: But I'm just I'm looking. But I'm trying to answer

503
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Speaker 1: the question because you brought up an interesting point. If

504
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: you look at the Giants needs, yeah, he does what

505
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: You're tried finish that in. So that's why it's a

506
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: little bit more challenging with J. J. Watt. I can

507
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: now on offense? Do you have anybody that fits that J. J.

508
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: Watt mold on offense? Well, you know, I think you

509
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: just you just want to go to the offensive line

510
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 1: and just like pick any of the terrific offensive tackles

511
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: in the league and say, any one of those guys

512
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: would be fine. I'd have no objection to take in

513
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: any one of them. But you know, when you're just

514
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: being fantasy having fun here, uh, J J. Watt is

515
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: the guy I probably would take over anybody on offense.

516
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Speaker 1: Over anybody in offense, Okay, I probably would. Well listen,

517
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Speaker 1: if you want to look at it from it, he's

518
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Speaker 1: really good. He's really good. Yea, the last time I

519
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: checked that, I think he's pretty good. You're going out

520
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: on a live there, Paul. In terms of need for offense,

521
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 1: if you wanted to play that game, you know, maybe

522
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: adding a tall wide receiver is that fair? If you

523
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 1: wanted to go down that route like the dude from

524
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: the Bengals A J. Green or Julio Jones was another

525
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: ult have a lot of weapons, right to me, I

526
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: just gotta protect the lie. That's where it all starts

527
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: for me. I gotta protect the life if I don't

528
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,239
Speaker 1: protect the life. It doesn't matter how many guys are

529
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: running around thirty four yards downfield. It doesn't do me

530
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: any good at all. Well, there's no way we can

531
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: have a dream offensive scenario discussion without discussing the trenches

532
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: with you involved. So this is t that the offensive.

533
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: This is up. Let's move on. All right, let's hear

534
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: from Oran in Virginia or and welcome aboard. What do

535
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: you got guys doing today? Hi, what's happening? UM? I

536
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about I feel like we got back

537
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,959
Speaker 1: from Richmond and stuff, not just because he's the best

538
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: UM got on the board, to actually bring competition into

539
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: David's webb even starting that tennis Tennessee guy David's web

540
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 1: Davis webmnight you being on the team coming up in

541
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: the season. You know what I'm saying, Like, I feel like, UM,

542
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: he's bringing competition and they got they got four quarterbacks

543
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: on the roster. Has become the backup easily. And then

544
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: I and then and from I'm parent from like other

545
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: people that UM, that dude from Richmond is actually really good.

546
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: If people was playing they said, if he was playing

547
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: like UM top v one UM division of football, he

548
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: would probably been in the all with drafted in the

549
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: first round and stuff like that. That's what I heard.

550
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: And also I feel like, um, I feel like, I

551
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: think Eric Flowers is gonna come back and play one

552
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: more season with us, and I honestly feel like it's

553
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: going that. I think he's been missing pieces office line.

554
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: Even though he was terrible at the last spot, I

555
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: feel like he's gonna be really good for us at

556
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: the right tackle spot. And then we got the will

557
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: he Nanis and if we got the other dude from

558
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: the Jaguars, and if we can get another competition that

559
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: said that, because I'm not really comfortable with Brad Jones,

560
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: you're the hard words. I love it at all, but

561
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: like I'm not really cold and I'm really also a

562
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Speaker 1: site about Georgia's I knew electric we got from Georgia. Yeah,

563
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: like I think he I think he's gonna think he's

564
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: gonna shock a lot of people. I think that that's

565
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: a versatile guy that is going to be in the

566
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: mix and somebody that could play on the line can

567
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: play a little bit further back away from the line,

568
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: So you know that's how they view him. And you

569
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: heard Dave gentleman say, you know, they gave him a

570
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: very high grade second round value and they wound up

571
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 1: getting him in the third round. So I mean, I

572
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: think your point is well taken and appreciate the phone call.

573
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: Or when you look at what the quarterback situation is

574
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: right now, I mean they added Alex Tanny, That's who

575
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 1: the caller was referring to, that from the Titans, correct

576
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: who has one regular season game of experience in back

577
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: of him, And you got the two young quarterbacks and

578
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: of Eli Manning. But I go back to what Pat

579
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: Shermer said at his press conference. They want competition and

580
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 1: they also want a good quarterback room was his emphasis.

581
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: And they feel as if these guys will push one

582
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: another behind Eli Manning. He also said that the drafting

583
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: of Loletta had nothing to do with Eli or David's Webb. Um,

584
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: So I would respectfully say, if I had a handicap it,

585
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: Eli will be the starter of David's Webb will be

586
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: the two and the air apparent, unless for some strange

587
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: reason he falls apart, then perhaps Loletta could wrestle it

588
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: away from him. But I don't think right now the

589
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: odds favor that at all. I think the odds favor

590
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: Loletta being the three and the insurance back up for

591
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: David's web um. And then I think Tanny is simply

592
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: a veteran who's here over the course of the summer,

593
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: and if something should happen to one of the other fellas, uh,

594
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: then at least you have somebody here who will have

595
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: been in the building and could potentially be your number

596
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: three if necessary. Because I got the impression from coach

597
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: Sherman he said he was looking to keep three quarterbacks

598
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: on the roster um and and and he said there

599
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: was a chance he might even keep a practice con

600
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: Now maybe, now, maybe, I don't think Tanny qualifies. He's

601
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: only even though he's only had one start. I'm not

602
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: sure he could be a veteran exception. I'm not sure

603
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: two players on the veteran exception. If he may or

604
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: may not, I don't know. It depends on how many

605
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: AC crude years he has. Remember, you gotta play at

606
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: least correct games to get in a crude season, and

607
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: I don't don't think he has really if he has

608
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: that So the point being, maybe all four of these

609
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: guys do stick in one way, shape or form or another.

610
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that right now because

611
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: quite frankly, it's too early to start thinking about it.

612
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: But I I do believe Davis Webb has a significant

613
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: leg up on the number two job over anybody else

614
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: who's in that room right now. Well, I don't disagree

615
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: with you. The only thing that I will bring up, Paul,

616
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: that makes this offseason interesting is remember they're all starting

617
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: at level one because it's a brand new offense. So

618
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: Davis Webb has experienced in terms of being in the NFL,

619
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: understanding prep work, knowing the ins and outs of the

620
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: study habits and everything you need to do to prepare.

621
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Speaker 1: But I don't know if he necessarily has a huge

622
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: leg up on Loletta in terms of the offense, given

623
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: that it's completely fresh, so that I don't think could

624
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: be overlooked in the conversation. And if Loletta comes in

625
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: and has a very impressive office and it looks good

626
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: in the preseason, you know, that may make things interesting.

627
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: If Davis Webb was inheriting the same offense, and I

628
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 1: understand that point, then I would say I'd feel a

629
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: lot better that he pretty much has that number two

630
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: in terms of the playbook. Well, the only thing that

631
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: you can say is because Webb has been here, and

632
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: he has certainly studied the vikings, he's talked the case Keenom. Yes,

633
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: he has had a little bit of a head jump

634
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: on the playbook. And and obviously, well that is still

635
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: not here yet. He won't be here till May eleven

636
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: when the rookie Minicamp starts. So they are doing things

637
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: now in the off season program that Web is able

638
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: to implement, so he will have a head start on

639
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: the playbook. Uh. And then of course there's the whole

640
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: thing about him already being here for a year. I

641
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: don't think there's much question in my mind. He definitely

642
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: has a big jump on on anybody else in any

643
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: supposed competition. But even the playbook itself, he's gonna have

644
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a bit of an advantage on because

645
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: Spin here, I mean, even these short few weeks he's

646
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: been here. You know, Loletta has not. So in any event,

647
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: don't worry about it, folks. That'll sort itself out. The

648
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: Giants have many more other issues to deal with besides

649
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: worrying about who the second, third, fourth string quarterbacks are

650
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: gonna be I'm looking at Tanny just real quickly, clearly

651
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: one appearance in two thousand fifteen with Tennessee, I don't

652
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: have in front of me how many games he's dressed for. See,

653
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: if he dressed for five or six every single year,

654
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: then we'd have a better idea of how many accrude

655
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: seasons he has, because there is a player that's been

656
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: in the league since two thousand twelve, going back to

657
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: when he was undrafted with the Chiefs. But just because

658
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: you've been in the league that long doesn't mean you

659
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: have X amount of accrude season. So we'll try to

660
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: see if we get to the bottom of that. In

661
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: the meantime, let's head back to the phone line. Cedric

662
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: is in New Jersey. Cedric, Welcome to Big Blue Kickoff Live.

663
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: What's happening? Hey, how are you guys doing very well? Cedrick?

664
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: What do you got for us? Good? Free? I got

665
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: two questions. One question is uh the quarterback? Why did

666
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: they get rid of uh? Geno Smith? Smith single hand

667
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: beat Davis about no no, no, no, no no. That

668
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: was never a competition. Davis Webb was to write shirt

669
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: for the year holding a clipboard. That was never a competition,

670
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: and he was never to see the field according to

671
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: the original plan outlaid by coach McAdoo. So Geno Smith

672
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: never beat out Davis Webb. That was never going to

673
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: be the case. So don't don't please don't misinterpret that.

674
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: So many people have gotten that wrong. That's not why

675
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: Geno Smith got in the game. M M. Anyway, And

676
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: the second thing, do you think the Brian had a

677
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: chance to come to the Giants? His name has been

678
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: thrown out a lot. They based on the reports that

679
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: we've seen, it seemed to think that he was gonna

680
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: wait till after the draft to sign with the team.

681
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it may not surprise me if you know Dez,

682
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: perhaps you know sees what the market plays out and

683
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: also looks to see if another wide receiver gets hurt,

684
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: because supposedly, according to reports, I think the Ravens offered

685
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: him a deal, but it was a multi year deal

686
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 1: and he's looking from one of those one year proven deals,

687
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: so we could cash in after that. I mean, it

688
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: depends really if he feels as if the Giants can

689
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: offer him something that's appealing to him, and and whether

690
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: or not the Giants want to bring in a veteran

691
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: when they may want to continue to develop guys like

692
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: Tavares King and Roger Lewis and some of these other

693
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: young players. So you know, right now, it doesn't seem

694
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: like there's any indication that something like that would happen,

695
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: but things could change. We've seen veterans joined a team late,

696
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: but I think right now the Giants are pretty content

697
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: with what they have in the mix. Okay, okay, all right, Yeah,

698
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: that would be a good look for him, though he

699
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't you have to do now and just stand there well,

700
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: I mean listen his height and his side certainly else so,

701
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: but I think there's a little bit more than just

702
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: standing there and be a productive cree and appreciate the

703
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: phone call. Thanks so much for weighing in. Gino Smith,

704
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: By the way, I just wanted that he was a

705
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: free agent, so it wasn't like the Giant released him.

706
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: He just he was a free agent. He had every

707
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: right to sing with other team went to the charges

708
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: In signed to the Browns active roster from the Cowboys

709
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: practice squad November of two thousand thirteen, So if he

710
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,479
Speaker 1: was active there that would have been a very few

711
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: small amount of games. Then he doesn't get back on

712
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: an active roster until signed by the Titans to their

713
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 1: active roster from the Colts practice squad December twenty two

714
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: of fifteen, so we might have been active for a

715
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: game or two, so that's not very much. Then he

716
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: doesn't get activated again until the Titans signed them to

717
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: their active roster from the practice squad December seven, sixteen,

718
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: so that's probably only a week. So I I'm thinking

719
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: there's a real good chance he gets the veteran exception

720
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: for the practice squad if they if they want to

721
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: put it. I just what I just need to clarify

722
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: is is there a point where, for regardless of how

723
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: many games you've been in, when you're in the league

724
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: for X amount of years, to sort of the accrude

725
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: season rule get thrown out? The actor squad rules have

726
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: changed over the so many times, and I know a

727
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: crude season six games. I just don't know, considering he's

728
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: had ties to the NFL s it's two thousand twelve,

729
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's sort of an expiration date

730
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: once you've tasted the NFL for now we're going into

731
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: what about six years. One thing that I just wonder if, okay,

732
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: those things out yeah, uh yeah. You know what I don't.

733
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't see anything about how many years you're allowed

734
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: to go. That's the one little caveat that I just

735
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: want to get clar There used to be there used

736
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: to be a requirement exactly that you had to be

737
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: I believe it was under three years of NFL experience

738
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,959
Speaker 1: in addition to all the other things, whereby you could

739
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: still go to the practice. Usually when they say years

740
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: of experience, remember that's based on an accrued correct which

741
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: is six games. But I'm just wondering, once you get

742
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: to the point that you've been in the league, forget

743
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: how many games you've played, are used to ineligible For example,

744
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: I mean, what's then from preventing a team Paul from

745
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: putting a thirty five year old linebacker, you know, on

746
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: the practice squad if he's been with seventeen different teams

747
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: but he's only played three or four games over the

748
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: course of that time. That's what I'm wondering. Whether or

749
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 1: not there's some language that outlaws that the league now

750
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: offers four players per practice squad to have two accrued seasons,

751
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: so that you can get quote fetterings on the practice

752
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: squad and a crude season means a player was on

753
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: full paced status for six or more regular season games

754
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: on the club's lists. Uh, I'd say he's probably eligible

755
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: based on that language, I would agree with you. I

756
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: just wonder if there's a little bit more the rules.

757
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: But it's something to keep in mind based on And

758
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 1: the only reason why we're bringing this up is because

759
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer did say during that press conference, after somebody

760
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: on the practice squad, in addition to the three on

761
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: the roster, or maybe two on the roster and one

762
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: of the practice squad, some type of combination, let's head

763
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: back to the lines. We got e J in Florida.

764
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: E J, welcome to board. What do you got for us?

765
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: Are you guys doing alright? J? What's happening good? I

766
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: just got really one question, one statement. The question is

767
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: about the safety position. Now we all know Wendon Collins

768
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: is the All Pro, he's the man, But the question

769
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: about him coming out in the draft was that the

770
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: ability for him to play the ball in the air,

771
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: which obviously we all found out he's pretty damn good at.

772
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: But I still think he's more of a thump for

773
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: someone you can put inside the box. So my question

774
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: you guys, is uh for the second safety spot? Are

775
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: they still going Darry and Thompson? Are they going with

776
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: that Michael Thomas guy? What's the plan for the Well,

777
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: don't forget Andrew Adams is there as well. I mean,

778
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: Andrew Adams is another guy that I would not dismiss. Yeah, well,

779
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: I think you named all the guys that are in

780
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: the mix, and Michael Thomas is a great special teams player.

781
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: Darry and thoms In, you know, has dealt with some

782
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: injuries in the early stages of his career, and Andrew Adams,

783
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: as a result of those injuries, has been able to

784
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: get on the field. So they have options to complement

785
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: Landon Collins as more of a deep safety that you're

786
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: referring to. I see Landed Collins as Buchanan's role in Arizona,

787
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: and Buchanan was a player that played safety, they converted

788
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: him to linebacker. I'm not saying that the Giant's gonna

789
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: move Landon Collins to linebacker, but I'm sure that James

790
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: Betcher is gonna try to take advantage of his skill

791
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: set down near the box at times. Becher did say

792
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna be all over the field. He did, however,

793
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: say he would not compare him to Buchanan. He was

794
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: gonna play much more safety than Buchanan did. I would

795
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 1: add this though, I do think that even though darry

796
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: And Thompson is a holdover, what he showed in rookie

797
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: camp when he came out of Boise State was poise,

798
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: was terrific ball skills, looked like he was going to

799
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: be a dynamite center field and then he got hurt.

800
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: So now last year he comes back off of the injuries,

801
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: and you know what, it was a very quiet season

802
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: for him. I think everybody, including him elf was very disappointed.

803
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: Now let's see what happens after a full year coming

804
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: off the injury, of the rehab and everything else. Maybe

805
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: maybe the physicality and the injury played with his head

806
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: a little bit and maybe he wasn't quite the player

807
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be. So maybe now maybe now

808
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: the wheel Darian Thompson shows up and we see what

809
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: we thought we saw during that summer rookie camp. If

810
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: that's the case, he'll be a dynamite free safety for

811
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: this team. But right now it's a show me situation.

812
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: We just don't know if the potential is real. Or

813
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: if what we saw last year was more the reality. Well,

814
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: my only say is this. Let's say Darry Compson, like

815
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: you said, showed a lot of great boys, a lot

816
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 1: of great flash. Let's say he goes down in weeks

817
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: in three weeks into the season, then you throw Andrew

818
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: Adams out there, who, if I remember correctly, he lost

819
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: his starting spot last year. Maybe I got that wrong.

820
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: What do you do? Do you put William Gabe astibly

821
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: back there at times? Are you gonna put Michael Thomas,

822
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: who's mainly a special team would be the backup plan? Well,

823
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: like Thompson can't play, like he's proven that he had

824
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: had injury issues in the past, Well you got you

825
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: got Tim Scott and Ryan Murphy, a couple of former

826
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: footy niners who were also on the depth chart. Quite frankly,

827
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: I don't know much about them, but I'm sure they'll

828
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: be given an opportunity to compete if necessary. Andrew Adams

829
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: is more of a strong safety than he is a

830
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: free safety, which is why, to be perfectly frank with you,

831
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: it's probably not the greatest idea to pair him with

832
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: Collins because neither one of them is a true center fielder.

833
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: Ball hawk type. That's why Thompson's probably a better mix there.

834
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: For me. Andrew Adams is better in the Buchanan role

835
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: because he's a good tackler. He's good at one support

836
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: and a special team too. Yes, I like him as

837
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 1: the third safety in a sub package who maybe cheats

838
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: into the box and become that pseudo nickel linebacker. I

839
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: think Andrew Adams has a role on this team. I

840
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: really do, and I think it'll be a bigger role

841
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 1: than you saw last year. Well, I thank you, Paul.

842
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: You always arrest my trouble in mind. You're the man.

843
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: Have good day. I appreciate the phone call. I mean,

844
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: they also added Orient Stewart just now and once again

845
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: limited experience, so you know they're gonna compete for those

846
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: back end positions and they're gonna see what they have

847
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: out of this group. There's a lot of unknown because

848
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys who they brought in don't

849
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: have a wealth of regular season experience, so they have

850
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: to see what they could do during the course of

851
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: O t S and training camp. And I think the

852
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: other thing we have to keep in mind when looking

853
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: at the depth in the in the on the defensive

854
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: side of the ball is, don't be so quick to

855
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: say a guy ken or cannot do it, even though

856
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: he may have been somewhere else beforehand, because chances are

857
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: that player has probably never been in a scheme such

858
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: as James Betcher's in his life, and James Spetcher is

859
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: such a scheme oriented guy. We will require so much versatility,

860
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: so much pressure at the line of scrimmage um that

861
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: you know what, there may be some guys who will

862
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: flourish in this style of defense, who will do better

863
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: in this style of defense because the sum of the

864
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,959
Speaker 1: parts is better than the individual parts, and a guy

865
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: may suddenly emerge and become part of this unit and

866
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: an effective part of this unit, even if maybe somewhere

867
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: else where he was asked to do too many things

868
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: individually he did not succeed as well well, because it's

869
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: a new scheme and they may have not had the

870
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: opportunity to do whatever the giants are gonna ask for

871
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: that player in their previous day. The other thing that

872
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do a lot of different things.

873
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: And the other thing, based on what the last caller

874
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: brought up is I would not just label Michael Thomas

875
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: as a special teamer because if you go back and

876
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: you look at he played, I mean he started thirteen

877
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: games in two thousand, fifteen games and tackles that year.

878
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: So he is just as watching the mix is a

879
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: defensive back as he is in terms of somebody that's

880
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: going to contribute on special teams. Let's head back to

881
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: the lines. We check in with Mohammed in Columbus. Mohammed,

882
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: what's happening? Hello? Hi, Thanks for thinking my car, but

883
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: so well, basically, I just had a couple of questions

884
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: about two position groups. One of them you guys kind

885
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: of covered. Um. I was just thinking about them taking

886
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: cord um one one guy in particular every month. I

887
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: know last year he didn't play a whole lot, and

888
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, you know, I was trying to

889
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: figure out, like what you guys think about, you know,

890
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: his fit in this scheme, and and then and then

891
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: another position is a wide receivering corps like the third receiver.

892
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: What do you guys to think about Cotty Latimer. I

893
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: haven't heard a lot you know about him, but I

894
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: think he was very powered. You know, I'm from the

895
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: Big ten country. I know he went from he wants

896
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: to Indiana, and I'm gonna see him in college. He

897
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: was pretty good. Which do you What do you guys

898
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: think about Cody Latimer? Cody lot I mean we could

899
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: start there and then we'll go back to Avery Moss. Actually,

900
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: from what I saw during the course of some of

901
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: their beginning workouts, Latimer, because Oldell Beckham is still sideline,

902
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: was actually taking a lot of snaps with the first team.

903
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: He was lining up as a wide receiver, So there

904
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: is potential. They remember, the new Giants wide receiver coach

905
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: worked with him in Denver, so there's the ties there,

906
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: so that I think he just he was not asked

907
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: to do a lot of receiving because of Damarrius Thomas

908
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 1: and some of the other players that were in front

909
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: of him in Denver. But that doesn't mean to your point,

910
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: which we were just talking about, Paul, what defensive players

911
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: we has to do elsewhere may be completely different for

912
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: what they're being asked with the Giants. I would not

913
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: rule him out. I think he's gonna get a fair

914
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: chance to compete for that third spot with the Roger

915
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: Lewis is with the Tamaris King. Excuse me if I

916
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: mentioned now with the Vikings so he's no longer with

917
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: the Giant. Roger He's got his number. Actually, so so

918
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: Roger Lewis and Latimer. I I think it gonna be

919
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: in the mix for that third wide receip not rolling out.

920
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: Lattimer is a special teamer as well. And you know,

921
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: I got grief from a couple of guys on Twitter

922
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: who said he didn't have stats when I said that

923
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: he's a possession, move the chains kind of guy. That's

924
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: the characteristics of what he is. He's not a big

925
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 1: play guy, you know he's not. He's not a big

926
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: play long ball guy. His style, his characteristics, his skill

927
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: set lends itself to a move the chains kind of

928
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: guy who's got pretty good length. And he was a

929
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: second round draft pick coming out. I tell people it

930
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: would not surprise me if he becomes the new version

931
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: of what Dominic Kickson was when the Giants plucked Dominic

932
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: Kickson off the Broncos waiver wire. It would not surprise

933
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: me at all if. Although I think Kickson had more

934
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: speed to people gave him credit for, he could make

935
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: some big plays down field. No question has a big

936
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: Dominic Kickson fan and a prose pro. I think Lattimer

937
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: could be that style of player. Don't don't don't quote

938
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: me on he's gonna have the same numbers, but he

939
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: could be that kind of player. And here's a perfect

940
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: example Latimer. I'm looking up. He played just thirty three

941
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: percent of the offensive snaps last year. So you know that,

942
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. You can't judge the statistics for

943
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: Denver because Denver did give him that much of an

944
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: opportunity because, as I mentioned, the players in front of him.

945
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: So if those snaps go up and they believe that

946
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: he can be the third wide receiver, who's to say

947
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: that perhaps his numbers the receiver's coach of the Placas

948
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: who's come over to the Giants, he obviously stuck his

949
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: neck out for him, uh and told the Giants that,

950
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, thumbs up on this guy. He's not gonna

951
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: do that unless he really believes this guy has some potential. Okay,

952
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,959
Speaker 1: So let I mean, let's just be honest about it now.

953
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: The other thing you asked about every Moss. Every Moss

954
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: is a raw player who has very a good, great attitude,

955
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: good work ethic, pass rush skills untapped last year. You know,

956
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: I think they were hoping he could be a little

957
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: bit of both alignment and a linebacker. They worked him

958
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of linebacker in practice. But I think,

959
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: to me, that's the kind of player who who really

960
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: benefit from Betcher's scheme because he's the kind of guy

961
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: in the in the sub package. I think he's the

962
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: kind of guy in the sub package. He could give

963
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: you different looks. He could stand up, he could put

964
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: his hand in the dirt, he could blitz, he could

965
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: hold the line of attack because he's a strong player.

966
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: I think he can hold up against the run. I'm

967
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm really curious about what every Moss does for Betcher.

968
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: I I just I got a feeling, and it's nothing

969
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: more than a gut feeling, folks, that every Moss is

970
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: going to give this giant, this Giant's team a lot

971
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: more quality snaps than people think he will. Just the gut,

972
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: I think so too. I think so too. That's why

973
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: I kind of brought him up because I feel like

974
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: he's got a lot, you know, ahead of kind of

975
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: like you know, how it went first came in the

976
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: first year, the first couple of years, he wasn't really

977
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: getting that chance, wasn't healthy. Yeah, he became one of

978
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: the top you know, deferent th hands that we ever had.

979
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's franchise, don't forget. He originally was a

980
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: Nebraska recruit and was there for a couple of years

981
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: before transferring. So you know, that's a pretty good program

982
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: and a pretty good league. Yeah, yeah, he's he's got something.

983
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: Now the question is can they bring it out of

984
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: him and can it be developed? And again, I think

985
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: last year's staff they weren't quite sure exactly how to

986
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: how to get it out of him. We'll see if

987
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: bet you can do that. Absolutely, all right, thank you

988
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: very much, appreciate the phone call. Yet, the third defensive

989
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: end spot is another one to watch because you know,

990
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: we've been talking about this in previous seasons. You know,

991
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: sometimes guys have shown flashes, but there hasn't necessarily been

992
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: that consistency. For example, Romeo Okwara, you know when he

993
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: filled in for JPP that Cowboys game quiet season last

994
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: and then you know you didn't really see much. Kerry

995
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,479
Speaker 1: Win has had his fair share of flashes. Josh Morow

996
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: is gonna be suspended for the first four games when

997
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: he comes into the mix. That's an the player to watch.

998
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: There's an opportunity for somebody to emerge. There's a need,

999
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: I would argue, for somebody to emerge. At least they

1000
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 1: have some players they can turn to and say, there's

1001
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: a spot here, crash that door in, take the spot.

1002
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: At least they've got guys they can turn to and

1003
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: they can give snaps to on the practice field and

1004
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: tell them to go earn it. It's a little bit

1005
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: of a different story when you don't have anybody at

1006
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: a given spot and it's like, oh, well, somebody please

1007
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: ring the doorbell, because we don't. We don't really have

1008
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: anything here that's got a chance to do it well.

1009
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: And that's why you see them bringing in volume at

1010
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: various positions, because it's better to just let the competition

1011
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: play out as opposed to one or two guys. Competition

1012
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: is good. The other thing I wanted to throw out

1013
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: before we get back to the lines, just to emphasize

1014
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: the point of Latimer's stats not telling the whole story.

1015
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: So in two thousand sixteen, I mentioned in seventeen Paul

1016
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: he only played to the offensive snaps. In sixteen he

1017
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: played of the offensive snaps. And now let's just take

1018
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: a glance at fifth team because once again. I mean,

1019
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: if you're not seeing the field as an offensive player.

1020
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: In fifteen it went down to seventeen percent, so it

1021
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 1: is increased little by little, but we're still only talking

1022
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: about he maxed out at thirty percent. What do you

1023
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: expect statistically from an offensive wide receiver that has only

1024
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: played of the snaps? Again, Ted Tolbert, who was the

1025
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: receiver's coach at Denver, comes over to the Giants, and

1026
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, if the Giants didn't think that his opinion

1027
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: and his thumbs up on this guy wasn't worth taking

1028
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: a shot at, they would have brought the player in.

1029
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: I mean, why would you well, and I also think

1030
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: he was appealing because Dwayne Harris was let go, so

1031
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: I think that they also envisioned you brought up Dominic Kickson.

1032
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: Dwayne Harris, remember, was that complimentary receiver who filled in

1033
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: when there were injuries and at the same time he

1034
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: was their key return man. So I think that was

1035
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: also the thought process as to why probably Tilbert recommended

1036
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,280
Speaker 1: him and Dave Gentleman and the rest of the staff

1037
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: took a look at him because he can fill dual

1038
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: roles special teams as well as the wide receiver spot.

1039
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: Let's head back to the lines. We got Pete on

1040
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: Staten Island. Pete, what's happening? Hi? Guys? Good? You know

1041
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: how you? Hi? Pete? How stinks with you? Uh? Pretty good?

1042
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: Pretty good. I'm glad the weather changed. Yeah great, that

1043
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: makes one of us or two of us? I should say,

1044
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: I should say that makes two of you because I'm

1045
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: a cold guy, so I'm not too fond of the

1046
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: ninety degree weather. But that's a whole other te Yeah. Well,

1047
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 1: I'm all in the house. Okay. Well, eat to each

1048
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: their own, as I say, talking about Corey Latimer and

1049
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: uh uh, we have talked a few weeks ago about

1050
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: this poll, you know, probably three or four weeks actually,

1051
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: and you know, if they just used you know what,

1052
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna sign another guy. I have to imagine

1053
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: at some point, you know, for the third spot, unless

1054
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: they're happy with Ladomer, but you know they have Roger

1055
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: Lewis and Landomer at this point, I'm thinking in a

1056
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: battle for that third spot, you would think so right now,

1057
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: you would fix all right now that there they would

1058
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: be in the competition for the third spot. And that

1059
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: means the fourth and fifth spots are still wide open

1060
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: to Travis Rudolf is another guy. I was Rudolf as

1061
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: a guy who's really he's boy. The door is so

1062
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: wide open for Travis Rudolph to be one of the

1063
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: five receivers on this team, but he's really got to

1064
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: pick it up. He made this team last year on

1065
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: the practice squad after a terrific summer, and then at

1066
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: the end of the season when he got activated, he

1067
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 1: was very quiet. He has to make noise this summer,

1068
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely, And uh, you

1069
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: know the point he was gonna bring up because uh,

1070
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, we spoke about this and I think Lance

1071
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: you were there. Um, I watched a lot of the

1072
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 1: Viking games last year and because I had Adam feeling

1073
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: as one of my fantasy guys, so I was undrafted

1074
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: free agent, I expect you's ever in the number three spot,

1075
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: and this talking about dads and this and that, forget

1076
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: about guys. You know, they used Trent Well in that

1077
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: position as a compliment to what they had. They had

1078
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: digs on the outside and feeling on the inside. So

1079
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: basically I'm thinking, whoever the four years is going to

1080
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: be a compliment. And of course if you know, you

1081
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: know obviously Uh. If they have a wonderful season, we're

1082
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: not gonna We're not gonna argue over it. We're gonna

1083
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: be delighted. But whoever is the number three to me

1084
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: is just going to be a compliment to O B.

1085
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 1: J uh Ingram and and chef um. And my second point,

1086
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: if you don't mind, can you explain to me how

1087
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: the process of the undrafted free agents worked and how

1088
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: how long we have to sign them and and uh

1089
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: and I'll take the call. Uh think their heads over

1090
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: over the uh phone. All right, Pete, appreciate the phocal

1091
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: All right, let me take that. When you take his

1092
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: first point, well, if you want to talk about the undrafted,

1093
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty self explanatory. The undrafted usually when

1094
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: you get to the middle of the seventh round or so,

1095
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: and sometimes even a little earlier, teams will start calling

1096
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: guys who they don't think they're gonna get drafted the

1097
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: rest of the way and they say listen, uh, Jim,

1098
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: uh so and so from the giants calling uh if

1099
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: you don't get picked, okay in the next whatever number

1100
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: of picks, we really would love to talk to you

1101
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: because we have we have some room in our depth

1102
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: chart we think you can compete for a job. We'll

1103
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: call you as soon as the draft is over. We're

1104
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: gonna ring you again. Make sure you answer the phone

1105
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,439
Speaker 1: now for us, because we we'd like to bring in.

1106
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: And a bunch of teams are doing that, so the

1107
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: calls are really going hot and heavy. Two guys in

1108
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: that during the course of the last round, especially the

1109
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: last half of the last round, and and you're just

1110
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: hoping that you can convince player AX to choose your

1111
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: team over maybe the six or seven other teams that

1112
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: might be calling wanting to bring him in as an

1113
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: undrafted rookie free h because as soon as the draft

1114
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: is over, now you can make a verbal agreement with

1115
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: the guy and say, Okay, you were not drafted. Now

1116
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: you're a free agent. Yes, do we have you. This

1117
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: is the little bit of signing bonus we're gonna give you.

1118
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: This may be the little you know, a little guarantee

1119
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you. Uh, do we have a deal?

1120
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: The problem is it's now just a verbal okay, and

1121
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: until the guy actually signs the contract, he's free game

1122
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: to be poached by somebody else, because all you have

1123
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: is his word that he's gonna come to your rookie

1124
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: camp and be one of your guys. I've seen it

1125
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: happen over the years many times, which is why I

1126
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: tell people, when you see the free agent list of

1127
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: undrafted rookie free agents who have committed to your team,

1128
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: take it with a whole pound of bag assault, because

1129
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: there are guys who will get poached. And by the

1130
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: time the mini camp rolls around, all of a sudden,

1131
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: you're looking around. You're like, wait a minute, I thought

1132
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: that such a just team got that quarterback. Oh no, no, no, no, no,

1133
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: he wound up getting poached and the other team and

1134
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: that side of of of the Mississippi, Uh, they got him.

1135
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: He's over in their rookie camp. He's not in yours.

1136
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: That's how it works. But once they sign, and they

1137
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: can sign at any time, okay, once they sign there,

1138
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: now yours, you had them under contract, and they can

1139
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: get on the practice field with you at the rookie minicamp.

1140
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: So that's how that whole thing works. The other question

1141
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: he had was right before that, he was talking about, well,

1142
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: he's just bringing up the Vikings offense, how they structured things.

1143
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: And here's what I want you to understand about that too. Um.

1144
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: The Giants could always if they wanted to, and we

1145
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: certainly saw it a lot last year us Evan Ingram

1146
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: as that pseudo third wide receiver in the wide receiver pack.

1147
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: Line them up in that spot. Okay, So to think

1148
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: about this, Jamal Adams had a nice spring. I don't know,

1149
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: you know, he's probably Jarell Adams, he's Darrell Adams. He's

1150
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: probably in an earn it situation. But we know they

1151
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: got Ellison and we know at the was an O'Malley

1152
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: signed over the all season. Okay, so they got a

1153
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: few tight ends here. It's it's not impossible to think

1154
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: that they also have Kyle Carter, remember who was with

1155
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: the Vikings. He's the guy to keep an eye on.

1156
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: Maybe instead of keeping the extra receiver on the back

1157
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: end of the depth chart, maybe they keep an extra

1158
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: tight end. And so when obvious passing downs, when you're

1159
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: going maybe four widespread Ingram and Lattimer and Shepherd and

1160
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: oh b J. Maybe those are your four wide outs,

1161
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, and you consider angerble wide out in the

1162
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: sub package, but in your standard base he's considered a

1163
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: tight end. Well, you could do that. Well, and here's

1164
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: the other thing, to factor and do they designate somebody

1165
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: as a fullback or do they keep a tight end.

1166
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: There's something to try to figure out. That's another thing

1167
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: that you have to take it to get still trying

1168
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: to figure it out out. So there's a lot in

1169
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: flux here, and we haven't had the chance to actually

1170
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: get into that kind philosophical thinking with iber coach because

1171
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: I think you gotta wait to little shape. It's a

1172
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: little early. Do you get to the nine D man roster,

1173
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: then you start to think about, you know, where guys

1174
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: fit in and so forth. The only other thing that

1175
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to add to where they respecting the undrafted

1176
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: free agents is there are some players that are going

1177
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: to sign deals strictly for rookie Minicamp, and then there's

1178
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: gonna be other guys that may have signed the deal

1179
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: that is basically a nine D man roster spot because

1180
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: a lot of the players that are gonna be invited

1181
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: to rookie Minicamp, they're not making the roster and they're

1182
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: not part of the nine D man roster. So there

1183
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: is a difference you just have to take down into consideration,

1184
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: and then what happens is from the players that they

1185
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: review during rookie Minicamp. Some then they'll then invite to

1186
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: be a part of the nine D man roster, and

1187
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: others then become free to go and sign wherever they

1188
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: want if they get opportunities elsewhere. So there's sort of

1189
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: different categories for all of these undrafted free agents. Not

1190
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: everybody that comes to rookie Minicamp is automatically on the

1191
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: nine D man roster. Anyway, veterans out there, Eric Decker,

1192
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: Paul who actually talked about retiring potentially, and then I

1193
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: know the vikings towards the tail end of these would

1194
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: be the kinds of guys if the giants were interested

1195
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: and bringing in such a veteran, those would be the

1196
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: kind of guys who might fit what they would be

1197
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: looking for, you would think. But again I'm strictly talking

1198
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: hypothetically because I have not heard any words or whispers

1199
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: that those guys are coming in here. But I would

1200
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: think that veteran wise, they would fit the box. And

1201
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it also depends on what

1202
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: these various coaches and teams think about their veterans, and

1203
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't get an idea of that, Paul, until

1204
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: they get into more O t A S. So that's

1205
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: why they may not be in a hurry to sign

1206
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: some of these veteran wide receivers. That's why I mean

1207
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: des Bryant is still out on the market and some

1208
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: of the players that you just named. Teams may want

1209
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: to say, all right, let's get through the first O

1210
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: T A or two. Let's see what we have out

1211
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: of the young guys. If they jump off the film,

1212
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: then you know what, let's give them the best opportunity

1213
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: to make the roster. If they don't, you know, then

1214
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: we could start to think about bringing an established veteran. Yeah,

1215
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: that I think is also part of the process that

1216
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: most of the teams go through. But it would not

1217
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: surprise me if the Giants added a veteran right before

1218
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: training camp. It's been done before and other teams do

1219
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: the same thing. And sometimes it has to do with

1220
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: maybe the player wanting to wait and see if any

1221
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: injuries take place during O T A S because you

1222
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: don't want to see it happen. Unfortunately, it's just the

1223
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: nature of the beast. Some guys are gonna go down

1224
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: and then that could create an opportunity, and that's why

1225
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: maybe the player doesn't want to sign with the team

1226
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: because he wants to wait for his best opportunity for

1227
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: playing time, and that may be what some of these

1228
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: veterans are thinking of. Well. The other thing to take

1229
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: into account is a lot of times, because wide receiver

1230
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: is a speedy position, speed has a lot of basis

1231
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: and where guys UH coaches want to go with that spot.

1232
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: Even though there are other times where you want a

1233
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: veteran in there, Sometimes you just want to get younger

1234
01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: and faster at the position, and potentially you know you're

1235
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: gonna do that by bringing in a bunch of new

1236
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: young faces in camp. And then when all you know,

1237
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: all fails. If that's the case, then all of a

1238
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: sudden you say, Okay, guess what. We went that way.

1239
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: We couldn't find what we wanted. Now we'll go the

1240
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: other way, and we'll settle for a veteran who maybe

1241
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: on the back end of his career because we just

1242
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: think there would be more reliability there. It can, It

1243
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: can work on a variety of ways. The mindset in

1244
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: the philosophy always involves it does it does, It always changes.

1245
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: You have to look at every angle of the prism

1246
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: before you really come up with the appropriate answer. At

1247
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: the end of the day. All right, That is gonna

1248
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: wrap things up for us. On today's edition to Big

1249
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: Blue Kick Off Live, we want to thank Dave Doran

1250
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: once again, NC State football head coach or joining us

1251
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: to talk about b J. Hill. Speaking of b J Hill, tomorrow,

1252
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: we are going to be joined by Dave Huxtable, his

1253
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator from NC State, so we'll get a different

1254
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: perspective of what Hill is going to bring to the Giants.

1255
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: And we're also gonna be joined by Adam Barron's who

1256
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: is working with Kyle Loletta. He's been working with him

1257
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: through IMG Academy, going back to the Senior Bowl, through

1258
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: the draft process. That will get his perspective on what

1259
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: Lolett has been working on since he was drafted. Quarterback

1260
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: correct quarterback tuitor, if you remember, we spoke to somebody

1261
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: who did the same thing with Davis Wes Jim Sorn,

1262
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,439
Speaker 1: who was the former Redskins head coach. So we're trying

1263
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: to get somebody that has been really on top of

1264
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: Loletta to see his progress since his end of his

1265
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: collegiate career, So stay tuned for that. On Friday's edition

1266
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: a Big Blue kick Golf Live, for Paul Toatino on

1267
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: Lance Meato. Enjoy the rest of your Thursday right here

1268
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: on giants dot com. I have a going