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Speaker 3: Here we go, it's our two. It is a Thursday,

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Speaker 3: got a big one tonight. Who do you like tonight?

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Speaker 3: J Matt load it up?

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Speaker 4: Fun Bo Nicks in the Broncos.

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Speaker 5: He's just waiting for them to screw up over under

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Speaker 5: on Gino Smith's getting benched tonight?

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Speaker 6: Would you give it two quarters?

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Speaker 5: Because An O'Connell was pre back practicing with the team.

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Speaker 4: And yet he can't move.

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Speaker 3: He's a pocket quarterback if he plays Take Denver.

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Speaker 5: Gino Smith in primetime last year and this year zero

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Speaker 5: to five against the spread, one in.

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Speaker 6: Four straight up.

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Speaker 5: The light's get right and Gino Smith's badly Well, what.

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Speaker 3: Is it with Pete Carroll and Gino Smith?

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Speaker 4: You know Brady didn't want Donald.

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Speaker 3: There were reports that Brady didn't want Sam Darnold in

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Speaker 3: s in Vegas.

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Speaker 6: You can ask Tom next time he's in.

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Speaker 3: It seems to me, Sammy's pretty good, you know. I'll

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Speaker 3: say this. The one thing where pro athletes their lives

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Speaker 3: are like our lives is that workplace matters. And for

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Speaker 3: Sauce Guarden, there's this general consensus that the Colts and

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Speaker 3: the Cowboys they just paid too much. They gave up

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Speaker 3: too much to get Sauce Gardner and Quinin Williams. And

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Speaker 3: when I see Sauce Gardner and Quentin Williams, I see

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Speaker 3: excellent players who were in a bad work environment and

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Speaker 3: now these employees are going to go to very you know,

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Speaker 3: better situations. I mean, the Colts were missing a corner

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Speaker 3: there that's gonna be a division winning team, really talented

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Speaker 3: guy in a bad workplace in New York to a

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Speaker 3: better workplace in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 4: And Quinn Williams from a.

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Speaker 3: Bad workplace to a place he plays next to Kenny Clark.

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Speaker 3: So I look at it, and that's the one thing

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Speaker 3: pro athletes and our lives are very similar. You can

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Speaker 3: only do so much with a bad boss. Anybody that's

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Speaker 3: ever had a bad boss or curly has one, should

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Speaker 3: sympathize with Quinn Williams and Sauce Gardner. Nothing works in

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Speaker 3: New York. It's just a bad place to work. You know,

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Speaker 3: I was looking this morning. Quinn Williams six and a

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Speaker 3: half years with the Jets. He got drafted by one GM,

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Speaker 3: he got paid by another, and he got traded by another.

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Speaker 3: Is that the most ridiculous thing you've ever heard? Well,

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Speaker 3: the Jet's got a bunch of draft picks. So what

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Speaker 3: that's like giving your loser brother money? He doesn't have

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Speaker 3: any financial ability. I mean, seriously, giving the Jets draft

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Speaker 3: picks is giving somebody with no financial literacy a bunch

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Speaker 4: So what they don't know what to do with it?

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Speaker 3: I mean, we all got that person in the family

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Speaker 3: that you know you don't want to be executor of

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Speaker 3: the will. Right. They're fun, they're party time. You know

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Speaker 3: their name's Doug. You know they're always got the funny

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Speaker 3: sweater on Christmas. You don't want to give them any money.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to lend them any cash. So I

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Speaker 3: don't care about draft picks. Who's the Jets coach, the GM,

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Speaker 3: the quarterback? Who knows here's Quinn Williams. I'm becoming a

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Speaker 7: I can't wait to get to work because I feel

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Speaker 7: like action, speed, louder the words, and this organization taking

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Speaker 7: a chance on me and training for me. Give me,

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Speaker 7: give me the honor to come in and help his

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Speaker 7: team win football games and do the best I can

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't mean to sound harsh, but you

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Speaker 3: can give the Jets draft picks they don't. I was

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Speaker 3: looking at all the teams that have had multiple first

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Speaker 3: You know, it sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Greg

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Speaker 3: Cosel forty six years NFL Films is joining us live.

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Speaker 3: So you know, it's interesting. If you look at Patrick

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Speaker 3: mahomes career, his kryptonite when they really really look bad,

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Speaker 3: it's not that the running games not available. He's won

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Speaker 3: Super Bowls with below average suboptimal receiving corps. Travis Kelcey's

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Speaker 3: with mediocre defenses. When he's getting hit and does not

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Speaker 3: this just about scheme by Buffalo's defense or was it

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Speaker 8: I think it's a combination, Colin, because what Sean McDermott did.

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Speaker 9: And just so I say right up front, I'm not

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Speaker 8: I don't think Mahomes has had obviously great success in

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Speaker 9: So it's not as if, oh, just.

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Speaker 8: Do what the Bills did and everybody's going to stop

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Speaker 8: Patrick Mahomes. But in this particular game, what the Bills

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Speaker 8: Patrick Mahomes, and that's when the pressure becomes a factor, and.

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Speaker 9: He did not really get out of the pocket very much.

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Speaker 8: They did a good job of maintaining him, keeping him

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Speaker 8: it was very schematic in what they did on the

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Speaker 8: So it just slowed everything down for him. And then

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Speaker 8: he took way too many hits. I mean there was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Josh Allen came into this league with

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Speaker 3: so much horsepower, and now he's become so incredibly efficient.

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Speaker 3: And we always sort of baked it in Greg that

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Speaker 3: if you have a big arm, if you're big Ben,

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Speaker 3: if you're Cam Newton, we don't need you to be

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Speaker 3: you a little on the efficiency scale. Yet with Alan,

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Speaker 3: I get both. He can give me a twenty two

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Speaker 8: Well, I'm sure a lot of it has to do

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Speaker 8: Jordan Palmer. He's worked with him for years, and I

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Speaker 8: think that's he's what would they call a rotational thrower.

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Speaker 8: So when you're a rotational thrower, I think you have

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Speaker 8: different ways, and I think you have to really become

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Speaker 8: good at that. So now I think they also understood

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Speaker 8: and this is where I think Joe Brady did a

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Speaker 8: think schematically they've tried to rain him into a certain

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Speaker 8: degree to allow him to play with a much more

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Speaker 8: defined sense of timing and rhythm rather than just, Hey,

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Speaker 8: you know, you hear so many people say things about

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Speaker 9: Well, let this guy be this guy, Let Josh be Josh.

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Speaker 8: That's all well and good, but at some point you've

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Speaker 8: got to play the game within structure. And you can

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Speaker 8: argue that the Bills offensively, and they do score a

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Speaker 8: lot of points, Colin that offensively. They're one of the

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Speaker 8: most structured teams in the NFL. With the combination of

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Speaker 8: be more to it. But if you're going to score

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Speaker 8: thirty points a game, I guess that's a tough argument

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Speaker 3: Green Bay's the youngest team in the league, Seattle's offense,

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Speaker 3: Seattle's second, so donald when he leaves Minnesota, there were

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Speaker 3: a lot of people that thought, Okay, it's gonna come down,

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Speaker 3: He's not going to look like that. Well, right now,

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Speaker 3: analytics tells you he's as good as any quarterback in

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Speaker 3: the league. Are you surprised that how successful he's been

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Speaker 3: in Seattle? We didn't even know if JSN was a

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 9: Yes and no.

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Speaker 8: By the way, JSN eighty percent of his routes this year,

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Speaker 9: Are they doing they have two slot receivers.

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Speaker 8: Well, they obviously knew JSN could line up outside, which

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Speaker 8: he's done, as I said, on eighty percent of his snaps.

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Speaker 8: But I'm not surprised with Darnald for this reason. He's

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Speaker 8: really gifted, as you know, you know, Donald. Well, but

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Speaker 8: he's a certain kind of player. You know, he's not

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Speaker 8: necessarily a sit back in the pocket, read it, scan its,

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Speaker 8: see it all. So what Clint Kubiak, And Clint Kubiak

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Speaker 9: He sort of comes a bit from that Shanahan.

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Speaker 8: Kubiak tree of play action, play action boot define the

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Speaker 8: reds in the throws, push it down the field, off

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Speaker 8: the run action looks, and that's where Donald is really

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Speaker 8: really good. And he does throw the ball very well

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Speaker 8: on the run. So it's a classic case of matching

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Speaker 8: some things he doesn't do well, of matching what he

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Speaker 8: does really well with the scheme and you see how successful.

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Speaker 8: There's a perfect example on that play action boot work

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Speaker 3: By the way, Rashid Sahed is a burner. Oh how

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Speaker 3: does that happen? I mean that feels like to me

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Speaker 3: that plays into Donald. What do you project there?

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Speaker 9: Yes, Well, first of all, there's very few.

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Speaker 8: Guys in the league column that have what I call

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Speaker 8: terrifying speed, and he's one of them. Yeah, and now

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Speaker 8: they're a team that plays a lot two tight ends

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Speaker 8: twelve personnel, as we call it, two tight ends. So

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Speaker 8: what happens a lot when you play that way is

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Speaker 8: you get a defense that sees the formation, the personnel,

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Speaker 8: the formations, and they think run. So they play a

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Speaker 8: to get an opportunity to really work the intermediate and

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Speaker 8: vertical route concepts, off shot plays, off run action, and

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Speaker 8: you have to account for Shaheed and now on the

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Speaker 8: other side you're going to have JSN. This is a

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Speaker 8: real that trade. To me, maybe it was overlooked by

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Speaker 8: some people because Shaheed's not a star in the way

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Speaker 8: we think of stars, but that may have been one

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Speaker 8: of the most impactful trades that were made on Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: So JJ McCarthy and we see this. We saw it

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Speaker 3: with Caleb early in the year, very good on script

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Speaker 3: I said, when I watch him play with Minnesota, I

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Speaker 3: see a lot of Michigan, JJ McCarthy, were Michigan. I

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Speaker 3: So I just went on a rant about the Jets.

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Speaker 3: Well, he didn't get he didn't lose length, speed, he

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Speaker 8: I guess they play overseas this weekend. But the Cults

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Speaker 9: They actually have a very good defense, Colin.

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Speaker 8: I mean, everybody's been talking for the most part about

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Speaker 3: I want to talk, if I if I could, about

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Speaker 3: Dak in Arizona on Monday night. Forget Arizona. Jacoby Brissett's

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Speaker 3: I didn't think it was a good night for Dallas'

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, there's two games this weekend getting a

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Speaker 4: What is your identity?

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Speaker 3: I think what they want to run and they're not

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Speaker 9: They haven't been this year.

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Speaker 9: And I look, I think Love is a really good player.

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Speaker 8: If you look at Love's game on tape and then

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Speaker 9: But you know, they're starting to lose receivers.

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Speaker 8: We have always said, boy, they've got a ton of receivers,

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Speaker 8: I'm really anxious to see from your old Nick of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fit matters in life and in sports. Let's let's

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Speaker 8: That's what he has to continue to develop. But I

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Speaker 8: got to tell you, Colin, and you know this. I

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Speaker 8: mean this kid, particularly on the move, he's got a

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Speaker 8: power hose net.

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Speaker 9: I mean he throws.

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Speaker 8: He throws as pretty a ball as you'll see in

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Speaker 8: the league. But there's still work to do. But it

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Speaker 8: just started. There were some plays in this game where

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Speaker 8: I just felt like, oh, yeah, this is the way

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Speaker 8: Ben Johnson wants it to look. And I'm actually going

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Speaker 8: to show one of those. And it's funny. I actually

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Speaker 8: watched the Lions offense after I watched Caleb Williams this week,

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Speaker 8: and I saw the same play.

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Speaker 9: So we're going to go to this play. This was

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Speaker 9: a thirty nine yarder.

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Speaker 8: To Loveland, Okay, and this was in the second half,

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Speaker 8: And this is Ben Johnson, a classic Ben jons and play.

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Speaker 8: You're going to see Williams under center here. And what

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Speaker 8: they have here is six ozero line personnel. And this

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Speaker 8: is something that the Lions did. It's something that Ben

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Speaker 8: Johnson likes to do. And there's a tight end now

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Speaker 8: up top and it's closed to the boundary, so it

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Speaker 8: means there's no one why to the boundary side of

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Speaker 8: the field.

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Speaker 9: It's closed to the boundary.

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Speaker 8: So what you're going to get is a dounesay in

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Speaker 8: Loveland stacked to the wide side of the field. So

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Speaker 8: this personnel this formation, it says to the defense here

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Speaker 8: it's a run look. So it's single high. So now

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Speaker 8: you're going to see what the route concept is. It's dagger.

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Speaker 8: This is a Ben Johnson special. It's an inside vertical

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Speaker 8: by a Dounsay and a dig route by Loveland. So

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Speaker 8: what you end up with is you're going to get

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Speaker 8: essentially a two on two kind of matchup because you're

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Speaker 8: going to get the corner playing Loveland and obviously you've

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Speaker 8: got the safety in the deep middle. Now then you

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Speaker 8: run play action under center. That's something else that's very

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Speaker 8: representative of Ben Johnson. So you get the play action

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Speaker 8: under center, which they're doing more and more of now

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Speaker 8: and that's critical. So you get that. Now what happens

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Speaker 8: you get a doneze. He's going to get the safety

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Speaker 8: out of there. So now what's going to happen because

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Speaker 8: you only have the single high safety, is the whole

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Speaker 8: middle of the field becomes open and you get Loveland.

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Speaker 8: And by the way, Loveland can beat corners and that's

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Speaker 8: why he's running this route. So Loveland now works into

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Speaker 8: a void in the middle of the field. There's no

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Speaker 8: one there. And look at this throw. I mean, this

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Speaker 8: is just one of those where this is a beautifully

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Speaker 8: thrown ball to Loveland. It's thirty one yards. You see

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Speaker 8: it really well from this angle. I mean, the ball

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Speaker 8: comes out of Caleb Williams hands beautifully. He just needs

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Speaker 8: to be a little more consistently precise with his ball location,

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Speaker 8: and he just needs to become a little quicker with

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Speaker 8: how he sees things and how he delivers the football.

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Speaker 9: But there's a lot of talent there.

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Speaker 3: Greg Cosel on a Thursday as alas great stuff.

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Speaker 9: Appreciate it, Thanks, Colin, appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The I know you were all worked up on all

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Speaker 3: the gifts that the Jets got, but even you would

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Speaker 3: have to acknowledge is if you look at this league

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Speaker 3: of teams that have had two first round picks, it's

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Speaker 3: a lot of Raiders, it's a lot of Panthers, it's

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Speaker 3: a lot of Cleveland. And that's my take is it's

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Speaker 3: like giving somebody with no financial literacy a small power

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Speaker 3: ball win, they'll screw it up. I mean, I knew

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Speaker 3: the Jets were broken when they fired Sola as he

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Speaker 3: was going to Buffalo with a chance to be tied

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Speaker 3: for first. Then Sala was the best coach on the staff.

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Speaker 3: And it's like, guys, you got to identify. You have

506
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Speaker 3: to self scout. You have to identify in any business,

507
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Speaker 3: who are the best employees, who are the weak spots.

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Speaker 3: Sla is your best coach and you let him go.

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Speaker 3: And to me at that, since that point on, I've

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Speaker 3: looked at the Jets. It's like they just can't get

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Speaker 3: out of their own way. They can't even identify their

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Speaker 3: own best employees.

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Speaker 5: That was a flub for sure. But listen, the Jets

514
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Speaker 5: have crushed the draft before. I mean a few years ago.

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Speaker 5: Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, Breese Hall like, they had an

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Speaker 5: awesome draft.

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Speaker 6: He didn't have a quarterback. Aaron Rodgers let them down.

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Speaker 4: He got hurt.

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know what you could do about that.

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Speaker 5: So just because you've failed in the past a different regime,

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Speaker 5: I don't see why you shouldn't be taking more shots

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Speaker 5: in the future.

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Speaker 6: Come on, what was it? What's a Michael Jordan quote?

524
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Speaker 5: I missed more shots that I missed more game winning

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Speaker 5: shots than I took made or something like that.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's it.

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Speaker 6: Oh, you know, I'm close.

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Speaker 5: I'm in the ballpark. Bottom line, you got to keep shooting,

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Speaker 5: keep firing. Don't give up just because you've failed draft

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Speaker 5: picks in the past. Come on, I've got six months

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Speaker 5: to identify a quarterback. Less than that'll probably like five

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Speaker 5: to identify a quarterback.

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Speaker 6: If you will, think or Old and Colin.

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Speaker 5: You could go to Giants route, take a defensive player

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Speaker 5: in the top three and take your quarterback at the end.

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Speaker 6: Of the first round if you don't think there's one there.

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Speaker 3: I think Mendoz that Indiana is gonna win it up

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Speaker 3: to them. Well, no, everybody, now again, you don't know.

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Speaker 3: You have to watch everybody. I think what's happening is

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Speaker 3: Dante more people like he may go back to Oregon.

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Speaker 4: Mendoz is the play.

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Speaker 6: It's Mendozo or Simpson right now, we'll see love.

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Speaker 3: I think Mendoza is a bigger, stronger athlete smart.

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Speaker 5: Have you checked his LinkedIn page recently? No, he cip

545
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Speaker 5: dates that he's a genius.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the kid's really smart. We're in La. It's the hurd.

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Speaker 3: Of the many societal issues that pressing, what I like

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Speaker 3: to drink is not near the top. But I was

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Speaker 3: thinking about this. Two days ago I had a cappuccino.

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Speaker 3: And forever I was a coffee guy, and I refuse

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Speaker 3: to go to these coffee places because they're so outrageously expensive.

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Speaker 3: Then I became a Cafe Americano guy. Rick Buker said

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Speaker 3: you should try an Americano like two years ago. I did,

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Speaker 3: loved it, and somebody else the other day I said,

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Speaker 3: you should get a cappuccino. This point forward, I think

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Speaker 3: I've changed. I think it's cappuccinos are nothing. They're delicious.

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Speaker 3: I even did it with almond milk. It's just terrific.

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Speaker 3: So going forward, if you want to buy me something

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Speaker 3: and just be and be nice to me, and you

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Speaker 3: could just offer to buy me a cappuccino and I'd

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Speaker 3: like you more for that.

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Speaker 4: Jmack with a news.

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Speaker 2: This is the herd Line News.

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Speaker 5: I was trying to think of something witty that you

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Speaker 5: could buy me, buy you cappuccinos. All right, let's get

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Speaker 5: started with the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 6: Colin. They seem back right. They won back to back games.

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Speaker 5: Are had four hundred sorry four touchdowns and two hundred

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Speaker 5: thirty eight yards passing. However, only five rushing attempts. He

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Speaker 5: didn't look one hundred percent. He did address those rumors

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Speaker 5: about the hamstring, saying he's being cautious. The speculations of

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Speaker 5: what I'm saying are totally different. I feel good. I

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Speaker 5: feel like I did what I needed to do to win.

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Speaker 5: Ravens four and a half at Minnesota. Really interesting game here.

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Speaker 5: Nothing would surprise me if the Vikings won this. But

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Speaker 5: you know Lamar against the NFC, He's faced Brian Flores twice.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, if you remember the Miami game against Balton.

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Speaker 3: No, this is one of my favorite plays of the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Is the Ravens a minus four and a half. Again,

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Speaker 3: this game is urgent. If I go into a game

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Speaker 3: and I have to win it, and I go into

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Speaker 3: a game with the superior quarterback, who now is finally healthy,

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Speaker 3: I get probably the better roster.

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Speaker 6: Well, the Ravens defense is not great yet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but JJ McCarthy can't do anything. He can't.

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Speaker 6: He just wanted to Detroit and beat the Lions.

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Speaker 5: Would I think you made the key pass on third

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Speaker 5: down and whatever to keep to end the game basically

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Speaker 5: backed shoulder throat a Jalen Naylor.

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Speaker 6: I mean that was impressive.

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Speaker 3: Why do you why do you always like these quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: who are a little small, who don't quite have the arm.

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Speaker 4: He's saying, what do you?

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Speaker 6: Let's just move on. I know you're a little combative

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Speaker 6: with this cold you've got. Let's move on to the

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Speaker 6: New England Patriots.

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Speaker 5: H They were expected to be buyers at the trade

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Speaker 5: deadline at a given that they're seven and two.

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Speaker 6: They got a young team.

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Speaker 5: But New England stood pat and Mike Rabel was asked

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Speaker 5: about it he's got an amazing quote.

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Speaker 4: Here we go.

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Speaker 11: Deals are like being pregnant.

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Speaker 9: You either are or you are.

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Speaker 11: There's no like. It's either a deal or it's not.

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Speaker 9: So I don't know how close you can be.

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Speaker 11: I know that everyone worked hard and that we investigated

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Speaker 11: and looked in and made phone calls and they what

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Speaker 11: personnel departments do, and in the end, you know, we

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Speaker 11: decided that this was what we were going to do.

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Speaker 3: I like them not moving. I think they're way ahead

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Speaker 3: of schedule, honestly.

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Speaker 5: Like the cold quarterback on the rookie deal, though, could

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Speaker 5: you have pushed? I mean, the Colts are freaking all out.

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Speaker 3: For the record, most trade deadline deals don't pan out.

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Speaker 4: They don't most don't.

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Speaker 3: That's why the smart gms usually go small C plus

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Speaker 3: B minus player.

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Speaker 4: The Colts went all in.

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Speaker 3: Now, I think the Colts look at it as we're

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Speaker 3: really good in every unit. We got to have a

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Speaker 3: number one corner, and I do there is something to

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Speaker 3: be said, like Chris Ballard looks at it and thinks, Okay,

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Speaker 3: this Daniel Jones magic carpet ride.

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Speaker 4: Does it last forever?

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Speaker 3: Or does he have confidence we have the right protection,

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Speaker 3: we have the right young pieces, So I kind of

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Speaker 3: I like Ballard saying we're going for it, We're going

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Speaker 3: to take a big swing here and again, I think

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Speaker 3: Sauce Gardner is a really good player. But I think

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Speaker 3: New England. You look at them, I think they're way

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Speaker 3: ahead of schedule.

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Speaker 5: Who's more likely to end up in the AFC Championship?

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Speaker 5: Patriots are cold because the Colts went all in. The

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Speaker 5: Patriots Patriots interesting.

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Speaker 4: Because I think they have a better course.

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Speaker 6: So why wouldn't you go all in if you well

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Speaker 6: really think they're that close?

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: My take is they spent a fortune on free agency.

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Speaker 3: They spent, like I'm sure I'm wrong on this, two

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Speaker 3: hundred and ninety million dollars in free agency, So they're

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Speaker 3: probably looking at it thinking, listen, we spent our, we

657
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Speaker 3: took our big shot in the off season. We'll do

658
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Speaker 3: something if the valuation works, but we're not going to

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Speaker 3: go big. Listen, when Christian Gonzalez plays at corner, then

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Speaker 3: I'll lose. I think they're six and oh, So I

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Speaker 3: I don't think I think the Colts have more elite

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Speaker 3: players than New England, but I think New England's way

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Speaker 3: ahead of schedule, A year ahead of schedule.

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Speaker 5: Anything on Patriots Bucks. I know you love the Patriots.

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Speaker 5: We all the Bucks are still all beat up. No,

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Speaker 5: I mean it's amazing. Nobody's practiced. Will not back Godwin

667
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Speaker 5: not back. We know Evans is coach, but they're off

668
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Speaker 5: a bye. Yes, teams off of bye this year were

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Speaker 5: really good numbers tomorrow. But it sounds like maybe your

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Speaker 5: leaning Bucks here.

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Speaker 6: Yep, I think under a field goal, yeah, I would agree.

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Speaker 5: Finally to the NBA Colin you know, the Dallas Mavericks,

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Speaker 5: your pick to go to.

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Speaker 6: Do Oh my gosh, NBA Finals.

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Speaker 5: So Cooper Flag did not start at point guard last night,

676
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Speaker 5: and they decide we're going to change things up. We're

677
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Speaker 5: not going to do well. Also, Clay Thompson now coming

678
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 5: off the bench. Klay Thompson really on the struggle bus

679
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Speaker 5: this season. So they started me Angelo, I'm sorry, di

680
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 5: Angelo Russell. The MAVs lost to the hapless, winless Pelicans.

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Speaker 4: Here's a Mason kitt Okay, Jason kid.

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Speaker 12: Just looking at when we have a point guard on

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Speaker 12: the floors. It's been all right, And so talk to

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Speaker 12: Clay as this is an apertmanent thing, but can you

685
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Speaker 12: come off the bench. And he was good. He was

686
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Speaker 12: good with it, and so I thought it came coming

687
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Speaker 12: off the bench, gave us a spark. That first group was,

688
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Speaker 12: for whatever reason, a little tight. You know, everybody's trying

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Speaker 12: to play perfect.

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Speaker 4: You know, A Cooper's given you about fifteen a night.

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Speaker 4: He's good.

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Speaker 3: He had one really bad game against OKC. Okay, take

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Speaker 3: that game out, and he's closer to eighteen a night.

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Speaker 3: He's been really good. He had like this is always

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Speaker 3: the case with young players. They have stinkers, they get

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Speaker 3: into foul trouble, they just it's a bad matchup. If

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Speaker 3: you take one OKC game out, he's given you eighteen

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Speaker 3: to night.

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Speaker 4: He's been a good player.

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Speaker 5: We forget Luca elevated everybody on that roster when he

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Speaker 5: was there. Everyone there's nobody to do that now, and

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Speaker 5: Kyrie Irving ain't doing that when he comes back, if

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Speaker 5: he comes back.

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Speaker 6: I don't think this is the playoff team going in

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Speaker 6: the in the West. I don't.

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Speaker 4: Can we look at that Western?

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Speaker 3: I mean the West is so low, Allison, have you

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Speaker 3: seen you Golden State's losing two Well, they.

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Speaker 6: Didn't have anybody last night. They blew it against the Kings.

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Speaker 5: I think Russell Westbrook talking all kinds of junk after

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Speaker 5: the game.

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Speaker 6: NBA's fun. Man, there's just a lot of games you

713
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Speaker 6: can't get to it.

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Speaker 5: What was Wemby like in person? I was even super impressed.

715
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Speaker 5: Now he got in foul trouble. So the new book

716
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Speaker 5: on Wemby, here we go with in the Western Conference.

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Speaker 5: You do not see the maps in there because.

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Speaker 6: They're nowhere near Lasuer for a fun watch.

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Speaker 5: They beat the Thunder last night, Ice win so real

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Speaker 5: quick on Wemby. What they're doing now is they're switching everything.

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Speaker 5: They're not keeping a big guy on him, so like

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Speaker 5: Marcus smarts on him, Jake Laurravia, and when he gets

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Speaker 5: it outside the paint, instant double team and he's forced

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Speaker 5: to give it up. I mean, he's not getting by

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Speaker 5: two guys instead Wiry. But the Suns did that this

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Speaker 5: week beat him, and now the Lakers did it. I

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Speaker 5: think Webby's going to see a lot of that. So

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Speaker 5: how he combats the double teams, we'll see him. He's

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Speaker 5: de Aaron Fox back by the way, really misses him.

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Speaker 5: He's a good point guard man. Yea is j Mack

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Speaker 5: with the news, Well that's.

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Speaker 4: The news, and thanks for stopping.

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Speaker 4: All eyes are.

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Speaker 5: On Fernando Mendoza as he leads Indiana and continues his

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Speaker 3: It's interesting, you know, everybody. I always love the public.

743
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Speaker 3: Don't listen to the media when it comes to politics.

744
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: The Blue Team's raising funds at a great rate right now.

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00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 3: The Blue Team had a great early week. This idea

746
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Speaker 3: that one political party is going to run this country

747
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: for any extended period is complete nonsense. The public doesn't

748
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Speaker 3: like extreme the public can feel the economy doesn't feel

749
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Speaker 3: quite right, and the Blue Team has a big night shocker.

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Speaker 3: It continues to happen. Trust your gut. I always trust

751
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: the people. I don't trust the people talking about politics.

752
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: I trust the people voting on the politics. So I'm

753
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Speaker 3: when Ben Jonson got hired people may forget this. Ben

754
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 3: Johnson was offered another job. He was offered a job

755
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Speaker 3: and mid flight decided to turn the plane around.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to take the job.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of us, myself included, were like, are

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Speaker 3: you gonna go back to Detroit? Can you top what

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00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 3: you're doing in Detroit. So Ben Johnson eventually takes a

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Speaker 3: job in Chicago, and he took it for a large degree,

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Speaker 3: not because they were particularly well run, but he knew

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Speaker 3: the division and Caleb Williams was super talented, and he

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Speaker 3: thought to himself, well, I've got all this production with

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Speaker 3: Jared Goff. This kid in Chicago, he's got more talent

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Speaker 3: than Jared Goff. And so when he was with the Lions,

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Speaker 3: Ben Johnson's offense was third in big plays with Jared Goff.

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Speaker 3: Now it's number one in the league in big plays.

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Speaker 3: And Greg Cosell came on forty minutes ago to talk

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Speaker 3: about Ben Johnson's impact with this Bears offense.

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Speaker 8: I thought this was a game, maybe the first one

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Speaker 8: this year, or thought the combination of looking at what

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Speaker 8: Ben Johnson did offensively, and I said to myself, Oh,

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Speaker 8: this is a Ben Johnson offense.

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Speaker 9: This is what we want to see from Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 8: There's still times where there's just a little too much

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Speaker 8: for neticism in the pocket and he gets out of

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Speaker 8: there and it just looks random.

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Speaker 9: That's what he has to continue to develop.

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Speaker 8: But I got to tell you, Colin, and you know this,

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Speaker 8: I mean this kid, particularly on the move, he's got

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Speaker 8: a power hose.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 3: Also, the Bears are second in the NFL in rushing.

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Speaker 3: I think Buffalo's first. So there we always think there's

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Speaker 3: a gap in quarterback play, but you know, there's a

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Speaker 3: big gap in coaching in this league. There's a big

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Speaker 3: gap in coordinators, in owners, in general managers, and I

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Speaker 3: everybody that I've talked to, texted in the league, they

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Speaker 3: all think Ben Johnson is next level Kevin O'Connell, McVeigh,

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Speaker 3: Shanahan level, just a next level coordinator and it takes time.

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Speaker 3: But when you watch the Bears play, they've just they

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Speaker 3: got a lot of they got a lot of jet fuel,

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Speaker 3: They've got a lot the ability to make big plays

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Speaker 3: at any part on the field. And it's again, he

795
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Speaker 3: was the hot commodity in coaching and he is delivered

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Speaker 3: on it. Usually you get seven openings a year in

797
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: the NFL, there's always one guy that gets a job

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Speaker 3: and you kind of know it's gonna work. Like either

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Speaker 3: it's a good organization, like Mike Vrabel this year was

800
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Speaker 3: obviously gonna work. Jim Harbaugh last year of the Chargers

801
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Speaker 3: was obviously gonna work. Sean Payton two years to go

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Speaker 3: to Denver. Yeah, that was a no brainer. They had

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Speaker 3: dead cap hell with Russell Wilson's contract, coaches mattered. You've

804
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Speaker 3: got to pay ten million plus. So there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of things you can go cheap on in business or

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Speaker 3: in life. You can't on the coach. It's amazing to me.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of the best coach available right now.

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Speaker 3: That's why I keep saying, keep your eye on Lane.

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Speaker 3: If I was the New York Jets of the New

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Speaker 3: York Giants, I would consider Lane Kiffin. Jackson Dart loved

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Speaker 3: him at Ole Miss reunite those two. It feels like

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00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin who coached in the NFL. But it was

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Speaker 3: an older Al Davis, highly flammable, highly dysfunctional. Al Davis

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Speaker 3: loved JaMarcus Russell. Lane Kiffin warn him it's not gonna

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Speaker 3: work in the NFL, and it didn't. Lane was right,

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Speaker 3: So Lane's grown. I'm not sure if there is a

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Speaker 3: great candidate. Some have suggested Bill Belichick from from Carolina,

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Speaker 3: but I do think this isn't a shot at Bill.

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Speaker 3: I think Bill's best days are over. I don't think

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Speaker 3: he has the energy and I think he you know,

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Speaker 3: Bill is a little like Jerry Jones right now, Bill

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Speaker 3: Belichick is that they're they're only willing to do there

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Speaker 3: are stipulations to their performance. Belichick only wants to coach

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Speaker 3: certain players. You can't have stipulations. You just have to

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Speaker 3: get the best players. Jerry Jones, I'll hire a coach,

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Speaker 3: but I want control. Well you're not going to get

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Speaker 3: control with Jim Harbaugh or Sean Payton. So the best,

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Speaker 3: the best coach is right now. That the best candidates

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Speaker 3: to me Mike McCarthy, who's a good B plus candidate,

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Speaker 3: Jesse minterter defensive coordinator who's got kind of a Mike

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Speaker 3: McDonald Seahawks feel.

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Speaker 4: And Lane Kiffin.

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Speaker 3: So one's a great college coach, one's won a Super Bowl,

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Speaker 3: and one's a coordinator. But with the Jets, you've done

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Speaker 3: the coordinator multiple times. It's not working. If I was

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Speaker 3: the Jets, I would go get Mike McCarthy. I would

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Speaker 3: go get a proven B plus coach, give him Mendoza

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Speaker 3: out of Indiana and use those picks.

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Speaker 4: I think the.

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Speaker 3: Jets have to go head coach. You know the other

841
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Speaker 3: openings in the league. I wouldn't have a problem with

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Speaker 3: Jesse Minter. So I'm not saying coordinators can't work. But

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Speaker 3: in the Jets case, it's time to go spend some money.

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Speaker 3: Spend tillion ten million bucks and get a get a pro.

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Speaker 5: Whuldn't you are argue that Glenn who was in Detroit

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Speaker 5: with Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell struggled when he was hired

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Speaker 5: by Detroit. Remember they started like one in seven that

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Speaker 5: one year before turning it around. You got to give

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Speaker 5: Glenn a little more time.

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Speaker 6: How many coaches have the.

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Speaker 5: Jets had in the last like six years, can't keep

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00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 5: cycling through. You got to give him another year at least.

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Speaker 5: You see nothing.

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Speaker 6: They fought hard.

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Speaker 3: He's not good handling the media, he's not good situationally.

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Speaker 3: I don't see a lot I like, I mean, offensively,

857
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Speaker 3: just doesn't feel like he's got any say any and

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Speaker 3: that's something to consider. I like a head coach. I

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Speaker 3: like Mike McCarthy with the Jets,